Science of the Naruto Universe

[Sorain_Hyuuga]

I saw that episode on the Discovery Channel about how people use what some people refer to as chakra in matial arts in order to disable their oponent for a short time. It is something that people can do. Its been proven that the trasferance of chakra between two bodies is possible in many diffrent ways. Even the connection between two twins can be in some ways counted up to similar chakras.((if you belaive in the theory of course)) In the futre I think that man kind will have a wider knowledge of this whole thing but to do the things that are done in naruto would be alittle to much to ask for. Even if one could summon and controll their bodys chakras((which would take years to learn to do)) the train on the body to do some of the things done in the Naruto world would kill or harm you anyway,,, Just buy a gun. Gets the job done ((joke))

[FNG]

That is basically what a seizure is to much / to little energy running threw the brain. If you notice most chakara points run threw the major organs. And threw the nervous system.

[Ajabis]

I believe that half the kyubbi (yang kyubbi) is not precisely less powerful than the full kyubbi, my reasoning is this:

We don’t really know when all the Jinchuriki were made, I mean at what age. I believe that Naruto was too young when he was turn into a Jinchuriki, meaning if implanted whole the kyubbi would have overpowered the baby and most likely kill it. We also have to remember that the 9-tails being the most powerful of the bijuu, had chakra way too strong for a small child to contain even if it was seal as the kyubbi is using the elephant whatever seal, so I believe the Fourth hokage sealed only the yang part of the kyubbi chakra, as a mean of reducing the poisonous nature of the kyubbi chakra.

Then as time passes I think that the kyubbi can regenerate itself, the yin and yang are something that must be in balance, so is natural that the kyubbi’s physical body being of chakra, can regenerate that chakra that was cut off with time, like a lizard can regenerate a tail, a fox its hair if its cut or a wound heals itself.

Now concerning to the Frog key, we know Naruto’s dad left the seal that keeps the kyubbi inside Naruto a bit open, the chakra of the kyubbi leaks out to be mix with Naruto’s own chakra, I belive this was done so he will get used to it and became immune to the poisonous nature of the kyubbi’s chakra, before the kyubbi regenerate to its original concentration.
The key is there to regulate that flow so if is flowing out to fast and is overcoming Naruto the seal can be tightened so the kyubbi doesn’t take over, and if is to slow to open the seal so more chakra flows out. I believe the aim of the fourth was for Naruto to assimilate the chakra of the Nine tails and make it its own. Jiraiya knew that, he thought the flow was taking too long so he opened the seal a bit, and almost got his *** kicked for it lol. Also I think that what he meant for “that jutso” was for Naruto to make the kyubbi’s chakra his own making a new blood line.

Although I personally would prefer if the Forth had seal the kyubbi inside Naruto with tow purposes’:

First for Naruto to have enough chakra to defeat Madara.

Second for Naruto to be able to use “The sealing jutso that the fourth use on the kyubbi” on Madara but sacrificing the second half of the kyubbi’s chakra instead of his soul. Remember that when the Shinigami took the third’s soul, it started by making a hole through Sarutobi’s stomach where the kyubbi is sealed on Naruto. It will be awesome if in the final battle Naruto is forced to use that sealing techno the final villain and when everyone thinks he is death, and after Sakura confesses to him, he stands up and explains that the Soul reaper took the Kyubbi instead of him then Sakura smacks Naruto and renders him unconscious for a week! Well I’m getting of topic, lol

Concerning to the soul chakra and stuff talked at the beginning of the thread my belief is this:

There is the physical body with is ruled by the brain as we all know, then there is the chakra body with is like an exact copy of the real body, cells use chakra so there is a bit of chakra in every cell making the chakra body. Then the soul is to the chakra body what the brain is to the real body. The chakra body is related to the original body like oxygen in blood to the real body, if the blood runs out of oxygen we die, if the body runs out of chakra we die. is as if chakra is the life energy to every cell, in fact we can refer to life energy as the most refine form of chakra with is limited to our body like the last reserve. ones we use all the chakra we star to eat away the life energy, or that refine form of chakra that forms the chakra body, and when we lose too much of it the body stars to fail, also the chakra flows through the chakra body like blood flows through the real body.

[FNG]

Welcome nice initail post, I am lost for words. First time for everything.

[susanoo's summoning]

Originally Posted by Ajabis

I believe that half the kyubbi (yang kyubbi) is not precisely less powerful than the full kyubbi, my reasoning is this:

We don’t really know when all the Jinchuriki were made, I mean at what age. I believe that Naruto was too young when he was turn into a Jinchuriki, meaning if implanted whole the kyubbi would have overpowered the baby and most likely kill it. We also have to remember that the 9-tails being the most powerful of the bijuu, had chakra way too strong for a small child to contain even if it was seal as the kyubbi is using the elephant whatever seal, so I believe the Fourth hokage sealed only the yang part of the kyubbi chakra, as a mean of reducing the poisonous nature of the kyubbi chakra.

Then as time passes I think that the kyubbi can regenerate itself, the yin and yang are something that must be in balance, so is natural that the kyubbi’s physical body being of chakra, can regenerate that chakra that was cut off with time, like a lizard can regenerate a tail, a fox its hair if its cut or a wound heals itself.

Now concerning to the Frog key, we know Naruto’s dad left the seal that keeps the kyubbi inside Naruto a bit open, the chakra of the kyubbi leaks out to be mix with Naruto’s own chakra, I belive this was done so he will get used to it and became immune to the poisonous nature of the kyubbi’s chakra, before the kyubbi regenerate to its original concentration.
The key is there to regulate that flow so if is flowing out to fast and is overcoming Naruto the seal can be tightened so the kyubbi doesn’t take over, and if is to slow to open the seal so more chakra flows out. I believe the aim of the fourth was for Naruto to assimilate the chakra of the Nine tails and make it its own. Jiraiya knew that, he thought the flow was taking too long so he opened the seal a bit, and almost got his *** kicked for it lol. Also I think that what he meant for “that jutso” was for Naruto to make the kyubbi’s chakra his own making a new blood line.

Although I personally would prefer if the Forth had seal the kyubbi inside Naruto with tow purposes’:

First for Naruto to have enough chakra to defeat Madara.

Second for Naruto to be able to use “The sealing jutso that the fourth use on the kyubbi” on Madara but sacrificing the second half of the kyubbi’s chakra instead of his soul. Remember that when the Shinigami took the third’s soul, it started by making a hole through Sarutobi’s stomach where the kyubbi is sealed on Naruto. It will be awesome if in the final battle Naruto is forced to use that sealing techno the final villain and when everyone thinks he is death, and after Sakura confesses to him, he stands up and explains that the Soul reaper took the Kyubbi instead of him then Sakura smacks Naruto and renders him unconscious for a week! Well I’m getting of topic, lol

Concerning to the soul chakra and stuff talked at the beginning of the thread my belief is this:

There is the physical body with is ruled by the brain as we all know, then there is the chakra body with is like an exact copy of the real body, cells use chakra so there is a bit of chakra in every cell making the chakra body. Then the soul is to the chakra body what the brain is to the real body. The chakra body is related to the original body like oxygen in blood to the real body, if the blood runs out of oxygen we die, if the body runs out of chakra we die. is as if chakra is the life energy to every cell, in fact we can refer to life energy as the most refine form of chakra with is limited to our body like the last reserve. ones we use all the chakra we star to eat away the life energy, or that refine form of chakra that forms the chakra body, and when we lose too much of it the body stars to fail, also the chakra flows through the chakra body like blood flows through the real body.

nice post....you should check out this thread...

http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=4879

full updated KYUBBI SEAL COMBO theory...

COMING SOON....

[Benzini]

I think this counts as Science. (nice thread SS )

Taken from Q & A...

Originally Posted by WraithX959

It's pretty simple really, while the elements are especially weak to one element(earth>lightning) it can also be weak to other elements outside of the circular diagram. Water is weak to lightning because water conducts electricity. Meaning that an electrical current would flow throughout the water.

Basically, although it has not been stated in the manga, you need to draw a sort of pentagram in the middle of this.

Like this



So theorhetically, each element is actually strong against two of the other elements and weak against two of the other elements.

Note: The above is the real 5 elements that Kishimoto based the Naruto world five elements on. There is also a sixth element that has yet to be shown. Some believe it's yin-yang. Meaning someone could have two elemental chakra and one type of yin-yang affinity(yin or yang). So, Naruto would have wind, water and yang affinities.

Kishi's version...



This would definitely represent true balance.

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Lightning > Water : link (BOTTOM LEFT PANEL)

Water > Wind : link (BOTTOM RIGHT PANEL, The same rules would apply if Wind were blown into Water)

Earth > Fire : link (BOTTOM RIGHT PANEL, The same rules would apply when you put Earth on Fire. It would extinguish the flames.)

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Wind > Earth, and Fire > Lightning can't really be shown in the manga (yet). But I'm sure one of you Scientific folk could find a way to prove it.

[Benzini]

Taken from Q & A

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Originally Posted by Dantrag

Benzini & wraith, you are forgetting that there are 6 elemental chakra in Naruto, not 5 (As said when they talked about Pein). That means the Original Elemental-chart in the manga as well as the chart wraith linked to are obsolete and no longer canon as they are based on 5 elements only, 6 element chart is obviously different.

Not to mention the fact that Kishimoto never introduced that pentagon-part of the chart meaning it might not exist in Naruto-verse in the first place

oh and the 6th element can't really be yin/yang, cause yin & yang = two different chakra types, not 1.

There are 6 elements, but (as far as we know) only 5 of those elements can be Elementally recomposed.

The 6th element has no relation to the other 5 elements (in regards strengths and weaknesses), and so it isn't included in the chart.

You can't say the whole thing is "obsolete" because it was included in the manga, and the concept was used recently. There has been nothing to contradict the idea. It's still canon fact.

Especially since the possible 6th element was referred a few chapters before the Affinities chapter.

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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/09/ (BOTTOM FRAME)
^^Yamato refers to the Physical Recomposition of Yin and Yang.

The whole idea behind Yin and Yang is that they are complementary, and that they create a "unity of opposites".

So it would make no sense for Yin/Yang to be seen as two completely different elements. It's more likely that they are seen as opposite and complementary...

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While not everyone can access every one of the 5 elemental chakra types (Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water)...Chances are everyone has access to the Yin/Yang element. (If that is the 6th one. If it isn't, then I wonder why Yamato mentioned it, and I wonder what it's for)

[Gottheim]

The following is not an assumption or interpretation, but straight, plain old fact.

This is a Narutofan translation WraithX959 came up with. The guy in that post is right. Upon request from Wraith (and before he'd shown me this above link), I'd endeavored to translate some of the chapters related to nature manipulation, and the result is positive: There is no sixth element, or rather the "sixth "element", so to speak, has already been named: Yin-Yang manipulation.

Actually, people have developed a tendency to use "element" and "nature" indiscriminately, deeming them as one and the same. That is incorrect. Chakra nature manipulation involves elemental recomposition AND Yin-Yang manipulation. In that regard, Shikamaru's Kage Mane is the exact same thing as Naruto and Asuma's Wind: chakra nature manipulation. There are five elements + Yin-Yang = the six nature manipulations Jiraiya talked about when he was remembering Nagato.

Where is my proof for that? This:

六道仙人と同じ目を持っていたあやつは教えた術を全てマスターしたどころか

一人では本来有り得ぬチャクラの性質変化６通りの全てをやってみせた

I'll translate: Jiraiya, in answer to Gamaken: I mean possessing the same eyes as Rikudou Sennin, he mastered all the jutsu I taught him. He demonstrated [he could use] all six ways of nature manipulation, which is originally impossible/most unlikely for one person.

Not elemental recomposition: Nature manipulation. That makes all the difference. Essentially, Jiraiya never mentioned a sixth element, only six ways to alter the nature of chakra. Yin-Yang manipulation is one of them.

As additional proof, people can download the raw themselves from here to compare the characters written in this here post with the ones available in the original Japanese version.

If they don't feel like it, three translations from the same website are readily available:

- Hisshouburaiken
- Carlos net
- Iwanin

And I plan on releasing my own version this weekend as well.

In conclusion, there is no need to expect what will never come, for it's already there. There shall be no striking revelation about some sort of sixth, mystical, overpowered, brand new element. Cause it's already there. Or to be precise, it never was and there and never will be.

Five elements plus Yin and Yang. That's all there is to it.

[WraithX959]

Originally Posted by Benzini

I think this counts as Science. (nice thread SS )

Taken from Q & A...


Kishi's version...



This would definitely represent true balance.

----
Lightning > Water : link (BOTTOM LEFT PANEL)

Water > Wind : link (BOTTOM RIGHT PANEL, The same rules would apply if Wind were blown into Water)

Earth > Fire : link (BOTTOM RIGHT PANEL, The same rules would apply when you put Earth on Fire. It would extinguish the flames.)

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Wind > Earth, and Fire > Lightning can't really be shown in the manga (yet). But I'm sure one of you Scientific folk could find a way to prove it.

Actually Benz, that diagram might need some revisions. I'm not sure, but I think Fire and Lightning > Earth.

Check this out:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/13/

Yamato tells Naruto he's lucky his element isn't earth. That would "imply" that earth is weak to fire and lightning. I could be reading into it too much though.

EDIT:

However, if your diagram is accurate, then Naruto's "water" element would contain his "wind". This would allow him to complete the FRS.

[Benzini]

@Gottheim/Wraith
Thanks for that find/explanation

Originally Posted by WraithX959

Actually Benz, that diagram might need some revisions. I'm not sure, but I think Fire and Lightning > Earth.

Check this out:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/13/

Yamato tells Naruto he's lucky his element isn't earth. That would "imply" that earth is weak to fire and lightning. I could be reading into it too much though.

It's possible, but the reason I don't think so is because Yamato wasn't thinking about Sasuke's Fire nature when he said that.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/13/
Yamato : However, lets look at Wind with a different perspective
Yamato : ...Wind is weaker than Fire, but stronger than Lightning, so it can beat Chidori.
Naruto : Good thing I have the right Affinity for Sasuke
Yamato : Yup, lightning can only be beaten by wind
Naruto : No, that's not what I meant
Yamato ??

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This leads me to believe that when Yamato said, "Naruto, luckily your elemental recomposition isn't Earth". He was referring to the fact that Earth is weak to Lightning. (Instead of stronger than lightning, like Wind).

Yamato agreed that Naruto had the right element for Sasuke, despite the fact that Wind is weaker than Fire.

So he wasn't thinking about Sasuke's Fire nature. He was thinking about Sasuke's Lightning.

...But now I feel like I'm reading too deep into it