CM:Chapter 78 Discussion [Archive]

wany1981

03-02-2008, 04:18 PM

here is the Link on the other thread
http://www.tsstorry.com/bbs/index.php .the 78 CN version 。Sneak peek
download
isload down (http://www.isload.com.cn/store/0ujm0h2bfzzec)
mediafire download (http://www.mediafire.com/?wtel7qzmabh)

and translation i did

page 1:
sid: look galk!, it's her! Aaaa
galk: that bastard woman always show up at the exact right time.
agasa: i will die? suddenly jump out and tell me someting foolish like that?
clare: to support that huge body.. that leg looking things... 8 is that correct?
agasa: aa??
clare: already destoried one that leaves 7... such a nice number.

page2
clare:anyways.. get down from there for me.
agasa:shiit

page3
fighting

page 4
agasa: impossible.. what is this?
clare: i can only tell you the name of this technique... fallen warrior from the war of the north.. no.8 warrior flora's fastest sword.
clare: wind cutter

page 5
page 6
fighting

page 7
miata/clarice: waaaa
galatea: what ? what is happening?
galatea:wa?

page 8
mistery voice: lost eyes and an arm? no.. eyes is from long ago
galatea: that voice... i have heard it before. right.. u are...
mistery voice: excuse me .. let's talk later.. something have to be dealt with first..

page 9
miria: achieve victory in one breath, the opponent is an awaken being there is nothing to worry about

page 10
deneve: hum!
helen: hehe

page 11
clarice: wa.. what? who are those people .. are they our comrads?
miata: very strong
clarice: eee.
miata: there are two very strong one among them
miata: even through everyone is very strong .. but..but those 2 are way stronger then the rest.. the strongest 2 among the 7

page 12
agasa: hm!

page 13
agasa: use my true form for this fight... against some idiots is nothing more then childs play

page 14
helen: what's wrong with her.. a true form like that
helen/deneve: what?
helen: deneve.. clare give me a hand.. i will use drill blade to blow her head off.
galatea: no wait.. don't be fooled by her

page 15
tabathia: her main body is below the stomach.. because it's always moveing there is no way to pin point it's location
helen: e
tabathia: even the true form talk is just a lie.. awaken one cover her self up with a fake body
and that body have heads and arms like a real one.. the true form is like a real human body weakpoint is the main body's hair connect to awaken body's hair.

page 16
miria: anything else to add or fix? "god eye" galatea
galatea: there is no fix location.. so one step ahead is just keep trying to cut the parts that connect the real head hair and awaken body's hair.. and i see if those members are a team tehn you must be the team leader. I ran away from the organization and i am not the same as you. plz save this city for me... "phanton" miria
miria: leave it to me

page 17
miria: won't let any one else die again... new... phatom

page 18
agasa: aaaa
miria: which way...
tabathia: upper body.. left chest

page 19
agasa:grrr

page 20
deneve: which way?
tabathia: right side.. between shoulder and arm

page 21
helen: wahahahahhaha
agasa: fuuucck
tabathia: the vital organ is at the human shape body.. no doubt that's the real body

page 22
clarice: so powerful.. make no.2 awaken being in a brief moment into....
agasa: damn it

page 23
agasa: don't move else i cut off this one's head
clarice: aaaa
miria: do you think hostige would work on us?
agasa: it wouldn't work on normal warrior.. but by the looks of it.. you are not normal warriors
agasa: and you just said it your self won't let anyone else die.. such thing... for someone to say such childish thing this would work again you.

page 24
agasa: don't move.. why don't this one care
clare: no use.. there is no escape for you
galatea: it's you.. from that time

page 25
clare: long time no see... so glade to see you again.. galatea
galatea: no.47 warrior... using the same move as before huh
clare: of course.. even the power decreased but the accurary greating increased.
agasa: i said stop!.. can't you hear me?

page 26
agasa: aa..aaa
galatea: increased accuracy huh... you cuted my hair
clare: i didn't notice any hair but if you don't want me to touch it that's fine
galatea: a.. alright thanks
agasa:don't joke... don't joke around you assss
clare: i said before.... you will die here

page 27
clare: flash step wind cutter!

and combat status

trash/filler less then 150 point claymore no.30-47, regular yoma
foot soilder 150-200 point claymore ranking 30-15
elite soilder 200-250 point claymore ranking 15-11, below average awaken being
single digit 250-300 point claymore ranking 10-6, awaken being rank 11 and below
Top 5 monster 300-500 point claymore 5,4,3,2,1 and awaken being rank 10-6
True monster 500-600 point rafaela, alicia, beth and ranking 5 4 3 awaken being
Sub abysall 600-700 point , rosemary, agasa, Rigaldo (midboss),
Abysall ones 700-800 point Awakened alicia < Lucila < Easly < Riful
Demi gods 800-1000 point none so far
Sub Gods 1000-2000 point Teresa, Prisila
True gods 2000+ unknown

Current battle in Labona,

Galatea 400+ ... 30-35% damage taken
Miata 400+ ... 60-65% damage taken
Claire 50- .... 0% damage taken + double power from Enrage

Clare 500- (power revised from last chapter.. she is stronger then expected)
Miria 500- (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
Helen 350+ (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
Deneve 350+ (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
Cynathia 300- (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
Tabathia 300- (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
Yuma 200+ (power revised from last chapter... she is stronger then expected)
(all claymore get 10% Teamwork bonus from Miria's leader ship)

Vs

Agasa 600+ ... 99.99% damage taken - 5% power Galatea Yoki minipulation interfurace
probably dead
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s221/Yearada/CLAYMORE/chibissals.jpg

lsumd2011

03-02-2008, 06:21 PM

Err, me thinks Agatha is dead, I've yet to see something get sliced up into kibbles and come back.

Dantrag

03-02-2008, 08:51 PM

Nothing about the chapter itself but Teresa beat Urahara, atleast hopefully, though I doubt Excel would have let cheaters pass so it's time to PARTEEE!!! *brings around a couple of gallons of beer* Start drinkin' boys n' girls

And Ed beat Kenpachi *brings in stronger stuff* Now get wasted :p

Playmore

03-02-2008, 09:13 PM

Urahara probably tried to bankai all his way till his spiritual energy was depleted but thx to Teresa using 10 pct of her yoki, she won the match just by a breath :)

Phantasm

03-02-2008, 10:38 PM

Two words about the battle against Urahara: Facking yes!

One word about the new chap: Niiiiice.

Oh and, I do love their teamwork and Cynthia's outfit xD; :thumbup:
The chapter's up @ Mangatraders :]

[Edit] To be noted: Despite the 7 having erased their yoki, a wounded Miata (whom appears a lot less "Blood-Eyes"-like, as I mentioned in another thread before, and more stable/human) could sense their yoki well - even setting Clare and Miria apart for their stronger auras. It must be that wicked sixth sense.

It's been a while since 10th grade English Class and reading The Scarlet Letter but Miata in a way reminds me of Pearl /: She has shed her peculiar, "monstrous" personality and has finally become "human," now that Clarice has proven to be a uh...better/true mother? (Just like Pearl, sort of, who becomes "human" when her father is revealed.)

ibn

03-03-2008, 12:37 AM

Claymore Scene 78 English by Anon (http://www.mediafire.com/?d9iis8mcrzm)

here, now this thread can be offical.

lsumd2011

03-03-2008, 01:27 AM

Nice, thanks. Damnit all now we have to wait another month for the next chapter. :/

Chibitea

03-03-2008, 01:53 AM

Wow, just watched the manga chapter on youtube (chinese version so didn't understand what they were saying anyway):lol: and after read wany1981 translation ...

......Those seven years DID paid off !!

and Clare absolutely mastered Quicksword , actually now that she actually used her powers i think what she does is a mix between quicksword and wind cutter , It's still Quicksword but with the speed and control of wind cutter = TOTALLY KICK *** TECNIQUE :thumbup:

on the other hand all of the other 6 have improved A LOT specially miria (which we already knew) but apparently Tabitha has a lot of power too she kinda somehow is able to spot the enemies weakeness ,a power more or less similar to galatea cause they both rely a lot in sensing the yoki from their enemies..... and Agasa sucks by the way ....taking poor Sor latea as a hostage ...:mad: but luckily there was clare to save the day :D haha and Galatea hasn't changed at all ....still worrying about her hair lol

The new chapter rocks ...........

Agasa got her *** kicked ............

.. one word = Awesome :)

:sarcasm1:
Btw Kisuke won the poll

now seriously .... Teresa's on the "final" or whatever that is now against elric yayy !!:eban:

.........about the exagerated ammount of smilies on my post ....just found out about them so kinda using them like crazy ..lol

pigpie

03-03-2008, 04:15 AM

Oh....I only notice this when I read it the 3rd time....the last part when Clare does Windcutter on Agatha,it looks like how Teresa finished Rosemary.Zoom across and the enemy gets sliced up.

lsumd2011

03-03-2008, 04:23 AM

Clare is indeed becoming more and more powerful, even the crazy child commented that she and Miria are more powerful than the others by far. Me thinks by the end of the series Clare is going to be on Teressa's level or possibly even higher.

wany1981

03-03-2008, 04:30 AM

I have told your guys before this chapter came out in the Character Clare discution thread that clare probably learned how to combin windcutter and flashsword in the 7 years.

Look at what she did to finish agasa off.
The suprem sword speed and accuracy of windcutter + berserk arm speed of flash sword + the human will to control it. WoW that's a powerful move

soon she will add ophelia's rippling sword ontop of that combo would make a even more crazy technique.

Chibitea

03-03-2008, 05:01 AM

indeed, btw thanks a lot for the translation ...

Even tho Agasa is out of the map still no idea of what's gonna happen with galatea /miata/clarice , and where the hell is Raki plus what is Riful really up to ....so many cliffhangers left !

Readin Claymore is so bittersweet :( when a new chapter is out it's like "yayy new chapter" but as soon as you finish reading it it's like ohh well now i have to wait a wholeeeeeee month to find out what happens next .....

i guess we'll just have to supress our yoki and be patient ..lol

lsumd2011

03-03-2008, 06:02 AM

Yeah, and the end result is that we are like a rabid pack of yoma come the start of next month, "Chapter, chapter, NEED CHAPTER ARRRGGGHH!!!"

zato_1one

03-03-2008, 08:32 AM

Thanks for English translation. This chapter is pretty good.

Poor Agatha! One of the main reason I love Claymore is teamwork. I prefer teamwork fight over 1-1 and others just stand still. (Although 7 vs 1 is unfair :lol:)

Plus, fight in Claymore is fast and not drag on.

PS. Just know that Teresa win! Hooray! :D And as I expect, some people don't admit it and try to post that Claymore is overrate.

chezkimo

03-03-2008, 10:17 AM

awwwwwwwwww, onemanga isn't loading for me. wah! what's the link for the chapter in onemanga (onemanga.com/claymore/........)????

By the way, phantasm, love your avatars, where you get em?!

PS. Yes! teresa beat Urahara, Teresa pawns again! feel bit sorry for bleach fans though, Ed won the other one! no bleach characters in the final battle!!!

Phantasm

03-03-2008, 11:01 AM

xD I get them from the following icon journals (on Livejournal):

+ Raigekiworks > tag: Claymore (http://raigekiworks.livejournal.com/tag/claymore)
+ Tsukicon > tag: Claymore (http://tsukicon.livejournal.com/tag/claymore)
+ Loveburnt > tag: Claymore (http://community.livejournal.com/loveburnt/tag/anime:+claymore,manga:+claymore)

:) !

You can find more icons from other series etc if you view the LJ without the tags/normally o.o!

To find more Claymore icons/goodness go to ---> LJ Community: Claymore Fans (http://community.livejournal.com/claymore_fans) :D

P.S. - Anyone else like Cynthia's outfit? Since she seems to be the youngest she probably got last pick D; And there were no more pants left.

Mican

03-03-2008, 12:06 PM

****..this chapter was excellent. Loved the legs too.

Daisho

03-03-2008, 12:14 PM

Loved the legs too.

Ditto that. :P

chezkimo

03-03-2008, 12:21 PM

w00t! This chapter was awesome!!!! The gang rocks! And i guess Yuma didn't suck as much as we thought she did as she easily blocked Agasa's attacks

By the way, in the last page where Clare chopped Agasa into pieces. Is it me or does that seem fimiliar- Extra secene #1 when Teresa chopped Rosemary into pieces.

And by what Miata was talking about, i'm guessing the 2 strongest are Miria and Clare? Oh and qwho was the one that was using yoki sensing- (can't remember name) she's nearly as good as galatea!

jack2003

03-03-2008, 12:38 PM

hix...that was awsome that Claremore 78 came out. Time passed make me totally forgot this manga...thanks for the releive

Scorpio-Girl

03-03-2008, 12:50 PM

Wow, this chapter seems to have taken a while... but it was well worth the wait.

Hardly any attention was given to Clarice and Miata- but who were the two that Miata pointed out that were really strong? I wasn't quite clear on that..

Claire totally resembles Teresa- It's all coming out now. 7 is definitely the lucky number. ^.^

I agree that perhaps the group will be split up in two- one going for Prissy/Isley and the other for the Organisation..

tonton

03-03-2008, 12:56 PM

Wow! What a great chapter - it's always very satifying to see the heroes pwning the awakened beings.
Did anyone else notice the cool new outfits! Beats the boring armour anytime!
ALthough it's painful to have to wait a whole month for the next instalment, I think the wait makes the enjoyment that much better :)

Playmore

03-03-2008, 12:59 PM

yea they got all very nice distinctive clothes and armour.
Would be nice to see that on the new cosplayer fans btw.

Chibitea

03-03-2008, 02:41 PM

Didn't you noticed on the last page that Galatea didn't have the scar in her eyes ?

it could be 2 things ----

1.- the mangaka forgot to draw it (with so many scene fights so little time who can remember a little scar ,right ? ...we totally forgive you Yagi-Sama lol )

2.- Or....Galatea has started regenerating her eyes to be able to see who the hell saved her (besides Clare and miria which she already knows are there) what do u think ?

Playmore

03-03-2008, 02:51 PM

yea I saw it too, I'd say probably 2).
She only recognize Clare and Miria, she doesn't seems to recognize the others.
But not only for that, She hasn't any more reasons to hide that she's an ex-claymore since blindness/scars was part of her camouflage in town.

samurai89

03-03-2008, 03:49 PM

Well that was a good chapter....Now more long waiting.

On a side note Agasa got owned badly

chezkimo

03-03-2008, 03:57 PM

If they are going to split- both Miria and Galatea want to take the orginisation down so we know who's going after the org. Clare and Cynthia would wanna go to Isley/Prissy as for the rest, who knows. Although, i think it's quite unlikely anyway.

Funny how Clarice and Miata keep on running into the gang. Coincidence? Perhaps Clarice and miata will play a part in the gangs future???

And yeah, Agasa got totally owned. Can't believe she used to be #2. Mind you i think the best #2 ever was Irene. All the others are either dead or awakened. And the ones that awaken get pawned. (priscilla and Beth don't count :p)

methaniel

03-03-2008, 04:02 PM

This chapter wasn't bad, the battle took all the chapter finally, so the next one, it's gonna be the reunion with Galatea, but still Clarice and Miata, what are they gonna do?
I thought at first that they won't use any Yoma energy, but it seems not, for her final blow, I think Clare used one...and how about the girl who before extend her arm? We didn't saw clearly how she fights now...
The outfits are far better than before (well, an armor that is always cut or perce is useless...just some weitgh add...). And I saw too that the scars weren't here anymore, that may be a forget, but it's quite too visible I think...
Edit: It's frustrating not knowing who is the strongest between Miria and Clare as Miata pointed out...

Playmore

03-03-2008, 04:29 PM

And yeah, Agasa got totally owned. Can't believe she used to be #2. Mind you i think the best #2 ever was Irene. All the others are either dead or awakened. And the ones that awaken get pawned. (priscilla and Beth don't count :p)

Well keep in mind that it was a team effort of 7 strong claymores.
No hesitations, fast reactions, straight to the points, no injuries,...
If that team was that strong 7 years ago, they would have won the war in the North :D
Rigardo..the lion guy was pretty tough as an ex n2.

I thought at first that they won't use any Yoma energy, but it seems not, for her final blow, I think Clare used one...and how about the girl who before extend her arm? We didn't saw clearly how she fights now...
Well they probably release some yoki when the fight started.
Helen was the one with the extended arm. she got the drill technique now same as jean (rotation of arm and release for extra piercing/damage)

Edit: It's frustrating not knowing who is the strongest between Miria and Clare as Miata pointed out...
yea but at least Miata pointed them out and seems even saying in a way that those 2 are stronger than her. :D

ghassassin

03-03-2008, 04:32 PM

Can't be helped, but MQ scans are annoying >.>

Anyways. For a monthly series, the chapter was quite short. Both page and content wise. But well, although the story didn't move a step, the show was not bad. Now that the battle is over, I'd like to see Clarice and Miata's response.

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 04:43 PM

I loved the chapter, so awesome how Agatha got completely owned. Although I want to see more of Miria :(
I wonder what Galatea'll do... chances of her joining up with the 7 ghosts are pretty slim imo, atleast in this current story arc since Tabitha will lose all of her importance to the group. And after this chapter I think most would agree that she's still got something to show off.

Also, with the end of this battle and a proper introduction of the 7's fighting abilities, I've a feeling that Raki will make his first post time-skip appearance soon.

ghassassin

03-03-2008, 04:50 PM

Although there is no reason behind it, but I don't think Galatea will join their group. She is "deserter" and that suits her quite well. It will to too clumsy and boring to have her join the group. But first, she has Miata to attend to.

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 05:01 PM

Yup, I agree. She'll probably end up living like Irene did, and maybe help the 7 in her own ways without joining up.

Imo, they're going to let Miata and Clarice go...it would be way out of character if they'll just finish them off. Also I see them being potential allies of the 7.

MacenKrace

03-03-2008, 05:04 PM

Nice, thanks. Damnit all now we have to wait another month for the next chapter. :/

=)) who cares... this chapter was awesome... I can't wait to get my new Claire wallpaper

ghassassin

03-03-2008, 05:17 PM

Imo, they're going to let Miata and Clarice go...it would be way out of character if they'll just finish them off. Also I see them being potential allies of the 7.

Actually its the other way round. Why would Galatea or others kill Clarice and/or Miata? They don't have a damn reason, do they?

Clarice won't be a problem but looking at what Miata was doing, attacking Galatea even while fighting an awakened one, its hard to think that she would let it go without completing her mission. Besides, Miata still has an immature mind so "righteousness" as such won't make her think logically. All will be left to Clarice and how she deals with this, is what I'll be looking for.

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 05:30 PM

Actually its the other way round. Why would Galatea or others kill Clarice and/or Miata? They don't have a damn reason, do they?

That's what I meant :/.

As you said it will all depend on Clarice so I'm hoping for quite some character development in the next chapter. She's been naively loyal to the organisation so far, and I hope that this event will atleast make her somewhat doubt the organisations true goals and motives.

Darkreaper70

03-03-2008, 05:32 PM

It's funny how Clare is the weakest (by determining of Yokai or w\e) yet somehow she comes out on top. Everyone else is half yokai half human yet she is only 1/4 yokai. Meh whatever. Miria > Clare.

ghassassin

03-03-2008, 05:36 PM

She was.....weak. Now that she has Irene's arm, things are easier for her. She got her *** kicked a thousand times before she got that arm. And of course, she had those 7 years of isolation to get level-ups.

omoikane

03-03-2008, 05:37 PM

hey people I´m a little lost, did we see Agatha, the "former number 2" before? Was she a former number 2 awakened or former number 2 from the organization? If she was from the organization who were her comrades? I don`t remember seeing her as number 2... Man, that´s what happens when they only release a chapter per month.

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 05:40 PM

It's funny how Clare is the weakest (by determining of Yokai or w\e) yet somehow she comes out on top. Everyone else is half yokai half human yet she is only 1/4 yokai. Meh whatever. Miria > Clare.

She doesn't have a lower youki than the others anymore, but has one of the highest as Miata said. Sure, she doesn't specifucally say that Clare's youki is one of the big ones, but reading that chapter leaves little doubts that she's referring to Miria and Clare.

jack2003

03-03-2008, 05:45 PM

I think...the next chapter is gonna be ...after the awaken being was slice off. The 2 claymore of oganization will continue to hunt down the God Eye claymore. Mirita wont stop the fight and continue to move on so that the young group of oganization wont get any infos. The god eye will be killed and so on...
do you guys think so too?

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 06:42 PM

I seriously doubt that something like that is going to happen. If they decide to try to complete their mission Clarice & Miata are pretty much dead. Clare & co won't stand by idly while one of their friends is getting attacked.

Darkreaper70

03-03-2008, 06:42 PM

She doesn't have a lower youki than the others anymore, but has one of the highest as Miata said. Sure, she doesn't specifucally say that Clare's youki is one of the big ones, but reading that chapter leaves little doubts that she's referring to Miria and Clare.

....She has 1/4 of the power of a demon yet she can fight on par with Awaken Beings? That is BS logic, even for a shounen manga.

Jarome

03-03-2008, 06:55 PM

^^ she has Theresa's blood, enough said.

VERY INTERRESTING CHAPTER! I was lookin' for it since a while and I was tired of my old wallpaper (which was the last chapter's end). Good action, we finally to see our power-leveled claymores doing some expected ***-kicking and needless to say that they are deadly as ever.

Galatea looks surprised by Clare's strenght, it seems the student overcame the master (in terms of strenght/speed/knowledge).

MAN CLAYMORE SHOULD BE BI-WEEKLY :(

SilentBuddhist

03-03-2008, 07:02 PM

As long as I get to see Miria again that makes me happy :D

I'm not sure if Gal would come, though it'd be a shame to have her show up after this and possible never make an appearance afterwards, but she isn't really rebelling against the organization either, so I'm not sure if she'll join them or not...

Clarice and Miata though, I don't think it would be wise to just leave them both there, because after this those two won't keep quiet about it. Audrey and Rachel saw them though, but they'd probably just put it aside I think.

And yes, the wait is seriously long >.< It'd be nice to see the raws appear more frequently so scan teams can work on them and finish it up sooner.

wany1981

03-03-2008, 07:17 PM

everyone here miss understood what Miata said because the translation is a bit off.

In both japaness raw and chinese translation. Miata didn't say : Among those 7 there are 2 with high youki.
She just said there are 2 very strong presence... note.. presence.. not yoki.. she don't detect yoki as well as galatea or tabathia. She have this unique way of knowing how power a person is by a way of a 6th sense.

Also everyone here seems to think miata is dumb and children . But you may have all underestimated her. She Certainly is very smart and desite the age she have learned a lot. I get a good feeling she is hiding a lot of her intelligace to act down to protect her self from organization and the world. I can tell that because Clarice did treat her like a daughter. She act on organization's and clarice's order by the letter. Even did teamwork with agasa to try to kill galatea. But when Clarice got attacked by agasa by mistake(try to aim for the soilder). She went pissed off and changed the order of attacking galatea into attack agasa all on her own will.

Every children that grow up under hash and brutal conditions learns how to take care of them self even at young age. Acting child like and crazy has been done by many childrens around the world. This works for both Human children and young claymore alike.

methaniel

03-03-2008, 07:36 PM

Well, if the sentence isn't yoki, that changed a bit the meaning, yhough she is still talking about Clare and Miria (since she said it when the 7 ghosts showed up)...but if it was yoki, I believe Miria never had a lot of yoki, no? Whe was good at using it for her speed, but hasn't got a lot. But if it's a "presence", then she can be the one with the strongest one (though, e did saw a lot Clare...looking really strong....)

EmoEmu

03-03-2008, 07:52 PM

i just read it. that was totally worth the wait.
i'd wish galatea would join the group too, but i dont know if thatll happen. she's cool and joining forces would make the group stronger, but its not really necessary. theres already a (decent enough) yoki reader in the group and strong offensives like miria and clare, galatea only has one arm, so she might not be as effective as offense. but then again, former #3 is a valuable asset.
so my conclusion is that this wait is gonna kill me.

miria might not be known for yoki reading but shes still a high ranking #6, i'd think that this would imply that all her attributes would be much higher than the others, even in yoki. but yes, presence is totally different. either way i think the 2 are clare and miria.

chezkimo

03-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Miria has got a moderate amount of yoki. According to the stat books, I believe she has a B level yoki, whihc is not unexpected for former #6.

Also, thanks Wany. I thought that was abit odd, seeing as Miata had been taking yoki pills and has probably got crap yoki sensing ability, not to mention the fact that she dosn't need yoki sensing because of her sixth sense.

Also, people were saying about how Clare was weak. yet she was ontop of everybody and that she has low yoki. When it comes to these things, they don't apply to Clare. Clare has Teresa's blood in her, so all the power's already there, but when it comes to Clare it's more of how to use that power and how much skill she has compared to just yoki.

And about Miata. She may be a child and crazy, however, if Clarice tells her to not attack Galatea, she'll stop, simple as. She's not got a Priscilla-ish personality, she dosn't care about rightousness or the orginisation or her mission, it's all about "mama" and because mama told her to kill Galatea, she did it. And she has got intellegence, her brain's just messed up.

NorthernSky

03-03-2008, 08:12 PM

i'd wish galatea would join the group too, but i dont know if thatll happen. she's cool and joining forces would make the group stronger, but its not really necessary. theres already a (decent enough) yoki reader in the group and strong offensives like miria and clare, galatea only has one arm, so she might not be as effective as offense. but then again, former #3 is a valuable asset.
so my conclusion is that this wait is gonna kill me.
.

Well, she's a defensive type, so I guess she can just regenerate her arm.

And why would it be so weird for Clare to fight on par with awakened beings? She has honed her skills for that purpose only, and on the way of doing so she got beaten badly quite a few times. Also as various others stated Clare's got Teresas blood and was treated as an experiment by the organisation - so it shouldn't be surprising that she's an exception to the normal ranking system (lowest ranked, still beating up way stronger enemies).

Also I find the whole "presence" thing pretty interesting, as it shows that the characters strenght can't just be measured by their yoki and that there's lots of other factors who determine it.

SapphireBlader

03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

As I thought, Claymore chapters have not let me down yet. The fights are quick, concise, and don't have endless amounts of talking in between (like a certain fight between two certain Uchihas)...ahem...

ANyways, awesome chapter, always worth the wait, though I may not be able to handle it next time...April....

endless_shaft

03-03-2008, 08:52 PM

That awakend being got beaten so easily, it almost makes me thing Gatalea is weaker, almost.

Phantasm

03-03-2008, 09:19 PM

shonenshojo

03-03-2008, 09:24 PM

^ That would be because:
1.) Gal hasn't been training like the other 7
2.) She was fighting alone against an awakened former #2
3.) Not only was she fighting alone but she was being attacked by Miata at the same time ]:
The 7 have grown alot stronger and utilized evident teamwork to get the job done quickly.

So you're saying that she is weaker. Since you're only stating reasons why.-_-"
I have some respect for Clare now.
Though this chapter didn't show much of Miata and Clarice. I wonder how their reaction will be to the 7 ex-claymores killing Agasa(if they kill Agasa).

Phantasm

03-03-2008, 09:31 PM

She's not necessarily weaker :/ but mainly because the others worked together = why Agasa was defeated so quickly.
I'm sure it would be just as tough for Clare if she was going at it alone and getting attacked by Miata at the same time.

arjay2813

03-03-2008, 10:46 PM

dayum that was an awesome chapter, glad i waited too

KoumiOokami

03-03-2008, 10:49 PM

i dont no wat to think when a new chapter comes out
"YAY NEW CLAYMORE"

10minutes later:
:("NOOOOOOO, its alrdy over??!?!?!?!?!?!"

Manga y must you play with my emotions WHHYY!?!?!
*dies*

On a more positive note :D this chapter was AWESOME!!!! Clare can kick some serious *** now

wany1981

03-03-2008, 10:54 PM

And about Miata. She may be a child and crazy, however, if Clarice tells her to not attack Galatea, she'll stop, simple as. She's not got a Priscilla-ish personality, she dosn't care about rightousness or the orginisation or her mission, it's all about "mama" and because mama told her to kill Galatea, she did it. And she has got intellegence, her brain's just messed up.

I am telling you man. Unlike Prissy,Miata is neither messed up nor stupid. All the mother mother sucking sucking thing was a big act from the start. She don't wan't to be hold up in a organization cell anymore. But the longer she is with Clarice she evenatuly loved Clarice like a true mother. Soon or later you gonna see how she really is.

Playmore

03-04-2008, 01:13 AM

I am telling you man. Unlike Prissy,Miata is neither messed up nor stupid. All the mother mother sucking sucking thing was a big act from the start. She don't wan't to be hold up in a organization cell anymore. But the longer she is with Clarice she evenatuly loved Clarice like a true mother. Soon or later you gonna see how she really is.

I don't think the breast feeding was an act. It's something that create bond between mother Clarice and child Miata, it also an act that relieve stress for both of them. I guess the feeding part is off here, I'm not sure clarice body is producing a lot of milk or even any.
But I like your theory about Miata being more than she is really, that would be really nice indeed and interesting. ;)
She has that serious, captivating and non childish look when she sense the big gap of Claire and Miata in strength.

Oh yea, can someone check the original raws of and tell me if Miata use the same words "very strong"

http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/73/30-31/

http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/78/12/

Miata is a child of few simple words but she said before entering Rabona with Clarice at end ch73, that there was a smell of a "very strong" claymore.
And in ch78 she said everyone is "very strong" and 2 other "stronger by a large margin".
Does this mean that her 6th sense tell her that Galatea is at same level than everybody except for Miara and Claire.
(this would confirm what Miara said before leaving the North that everybody is at least at the lvl of 1 digit)

SaroVati

03-04-2008, 01:27 AM

Haha I like how everybody think Galatea is weaker than the 7. True she hasn't been training and all, but I think she could take on over half of them 1v1. And for Clare being able to beat all these high ranking things with 1/4 of a Yoma's powers in her, yeah it is quite bs, but I guess you gotta make the main character interesting so the manga is better. Look at Naruto..... he is weak as hell, but after the timeskip, is strong because he trained with Jiraiya. My ***, he is still as weak as ever, but the 9 tails just gives him power. The mangaka just adds stuff to the main character so he looks strong and the manga can go on, as most fighting mangas are 'The weak get stronger to get to the top'. Personally, I think that natural talent is a major boost to your skill. I mean working hard is required, but natural talent will just get you there faster lol.

bugref

03-04-2008, 01:44 AM

Well keep in mind that it was a team effort of 7 strong claymores.
No hesitations, fast reactions, straight to the points, no injuries,...
If that team was that strong 7 years ago, they would have won the war in the North :D
Rigardo..the lion guy was pretty tough as an ex n2.

Well they probably release some yoki when the fight started.
Helen was the one with the extended arm. she got the drill technique now same as jean (rotation of arm and release for extra piercing/damage)

No They didnt release any Yoki, remember they have partially awakened already; because of that their ability to use their ability would be easier now, without even releasing their yoki. With regards to Clare's excellent sword technique and Miria's enhance phantom; Deneve explained this to us in previous episode; when Miria tested Clare its capability.

Thanks Guys for posting the claymore 78 here...
Another Grueling a months of waiting... again. XD

bugref

03-04-2008, 02:10 AM

It's funny how Clare is the weakest (by determining of Yokai or w\e) yet somehow she comes out on top. Everyone else is half yokai half human yet she is only 1/4 yokai. Meh whatever. Miria > Clare.

....She has 1/4 of the power of a demon yet she can fight on par with Awaken Beings? That is BS logic, even for a shounen manga.

kindly browse the previous episodes, where ermita and rubel talked about, clare status. I forgot already who said. "Clare is a especial experiments, since shes the only who underwent half claymore and half human experiment; they mentioned there are so many uncertainties, pertaining to that experiment and they are not aware what would that be".

So I guessed this would answer your doubts, why clare becomes so powerful when crisis arises. Remember she's unique remember when fighting with Rigardo, she desperately needs speed to save miria, Through her willpower, her power grant her a God Like Speed that resulted to rigardo's demise.

wany1981

03-04-2008, 02:35 AM

Well.. look at the 4 extra scene... 1 dedicated to explain how impossibly powerful Teresa is. And another to explain Clare.. Just like Rubel's comment.. she is something else.

The arthur used 2/4 extra scene to explain and justify how powerful clare is now and how powerful clare will be. Unlike idiot naruto she is really a main character to be feared by her enemy.

And galatea is not weak at all, Neither is Miata. That's why 2 of them together going all out have 50% chance of killing Agasa if it had gone according to Galatea's plan.

It took the 7 warrior some awesome teamwork and awesome miria leadership to took down agasa. Among those 7 there is 2 most defintly in my eye stronger then Miata and Galatea.

Right now i would definintly rank both Galatea and Miata below Clare and Miria but above all the rest 5 warriors. Agasa maybe weaker no.2 sub abysall mid boss then Rigardo but she is no cake at all.

HitoriDake

03-04-2008, 02:43 AM

Clare's unknown factor is "Yes she's 1/4th youma, so she should be a weak Claymore, BUT half of her is a REALLY strong warrior." The experiment entails figuring out whether that means she should be strong or weak, hopefully strong, but as rank 47 indicated, they concluded it was overly optimistic and deemed her a failure. Nevertheless, it remained an "uncertain" factor about her.

Odds are, if Clare made the same request concerning a number 47 warrior's body, they'd've said "No, but if you want we'll give you the regular claymore operation."

Also, Clare is most likely more than 1/4th youma at the moment. Her right arm is Illene's, and Illene was half youma, not 1/4th.

Tensa Zangetsu

03-04-2008, 04:48 AM

Darth Luffy

03-04-2008, 05:07 AM

yeah part of clares strength comes from having 2 such powerful warriors strength as part of her

in a seperate issue i really love this manga but y does it take so long for a new chapter to come out

Hyusuke

03-04-2008, 05:08 AM

Clare really pwned that battle. I was also quite impressed with Tabitha.

wany1981

03-04-2008, 05:19 AM

Hm....Galatea sure got kicked around alot but to have those 7 take her down so easily seems...depressing.....well she did fight both Agasa and Miata so >.>....anyways, Helen needs to utilize Jean's technique more instead of just imitating it :p

oh, and it looks like the high quality scan for claymore 78 replaced the other one

Ya team works and number matters a lot compare to galatea that got kicked around a lot. I feel even worse for poor Agasa. She got sliced and dice from a big awesome island into a bigger humanoid into a human size weaklin then chop to bits. What a pitful death for a no.2 compare to Rigarldo.

Anyway i like the newer version way better. The translation is much better then mine and the other version.

Chibitea

03-04-2008, 08:08 AM

Just noticed something while reading the new scans ...

Page 18 : Miria: "If we were a team you would be the leader , right ?"
Galatea: "I ran away from the organization ...I'm different from all of you"

that comment made me think that maybe galatea still has no idea that the 7 seven dropped out of the Org too .. cause galatea deserted the Org about the same time when the North war was taking place so maybe from that point she lost all contact with all the others Claymores and obviously the Organization itself so probably she doesn't know that this 7 "died" to the org and that now they want to take the org down ...so i think galatea still doesn't understand very well whats going on ...but most likely all of this will be clarified on the next chapter (april still looks so farrrrrrrr lol) ....but even tho i thought that galatea joining the 7 was pretty unlikely that comment from miria seems to hint that they actually would want galatea to join them (and be the leader according to miria maybe?altough i don't think they'll listen galatea more than miria lol ...) anyway it could be something like that .....or i could have missunderstood the whole thing and it was just a random comment from galatea but if that were the case it woudn't make much sense as a reply to what miria said imo...........

so many questions :( and a whole month before getting any answers :(

btw geographically where are they ? they've already been west i think because they found riful on their way ,but can remember where Labona is located ....maybe if they're near the South Mr. Raki will finally make an appearance soon ........

pigpie

03-04-2008, 09:04 AM

I am guessing Galatea will go solo.She couldn't possibly join the gang,she will be like an outcast becasue she has never been in a suicide mission with them.Plus Galatea doesn't look like the type who joins clique....I guess she will end up like Irene.only question Ii have is what will Miata and Clarice do.Clarice butt has been saved twice by her direct senior the previous No.47.She can't just betray her and tell the Org.Miata looks more human now and that is great,at least she isn't so emo like last time....I can imagine her telling Clarice"after millky time I wanna go dye my hair black"...and she wears Alicia armor.....Emo Miata

Well...regarding where Rabona is

The West area looks a crowded.

The South is full of scenery.

The North is all Cold.

The East is pretty much ****ty.

Guessing they are somewhere in the west.

NorthernSky

03-04-2008, 12:31 PM

I don't think that Galatea doesn't know that the 7's are deserters from the organisation. She knew that they all had an "anti-organisation" mindset (atleast the core 4 members) already pretty early on in the series. That those people, who're believed dead after an obvious suicide mission return 7 years later makes it kinda obvious that they aren't working for the organisation anymore.

Personally, I interpret these statements on page 18 that after realizing how corrupt and evil the organisation truly is, the 7 ghosts chose to fight it and avenge their dead companions from the north, Galatea fled and lived in exile. And I think she'd gladly have continued living as a nun and caring for the children, if Agatha didn't happen to be hiding in Rabona. That's what I think she means with running away.

Rontu

03-04-2008, 01:04 PM

Great chapter...Clare definitely transcended her original rank, maybe even in the league of single numbers now?...but then again it was 7 considerably powerful fighters working as one so I feel it was a bit one-sided :P

Also I'm not exactly sure who this person was, but one of the 7 did something like Jean's drilling sword attack. Interesting.

NorthernSky

03-04-2008, 01:08 PM

Also I'm not exactly sure who this person was, but one of the 7 did something like Jean's drilling sword attack. Interesting.

It was Helen ^^. They've all kind of learned the techniques from their captains from the northern campaign.

ZAraki

03-04-2008, 02:35 PM

ya that's a bit old backtrack Helen learned it.....why does this have to be once a month?seriously anyways this whole thing about the #2 was uselss barely contributing to the plot I'm just upset that she's been fighting for like 4 months now while claymore manga is becoming no big deal...

jerros

03-04-2008, 04:46 PM

Some think it's hard to believe Claire has so much power considering she was #47 to begin with. But did you ever think of the circumstances she joined the organization under? She watched the Organization send #2 and #3 after Teresa. And after joining the Organization I'm sure she saw other instances where there was a power struggle between two ranks.

Consiously or Unconsiously she decided that she didn't want to be in those types of fights, so she ended up as #47. The lowest rank in the organization would never be asked to kill #1 and no one in their right mind would want to take the rank of #47.

I think perhaps she feared if she showed as much capability as Teresa did that the organization might one day want to kill her as well. Clearly she wanted Teresa's power but the thought of having comrades attack her before she could kill Pricilla was probably always in the back of her mind, preventing her from showing her true power.

That was until Raki came along and gave her a reason to over come that thought.

chezkimo

03-04-2008, 07:34 PM

Wierd i could of sworn that the first time i read it it said "if you were a team you would be the leader". Perhaps i was wrong, or perhaps there were two scanalations with different translations. Oh well. Yeah, that part confused me. Ohwell.

About what Jerros just said. I don't believe that Clare purposely made herself #47. I'm sure the whole while all she was thinking was "kill prissy, kill prissy kill prissy.....". I just think that they based her ranking too much on her yoki at the time, which, when it comes to Clare has no relevance to her true strength and rather concentrated on what she couldn't do then what she could do. Because from what we saw of her in the first couple of few chapters, none of us would of thought she'd have the lowest rank.

And i don't think Raki gave her the determination to become stronger, revenge was enough for that. He just probably made her less suicidle and because she had someone to protect she wasn't so willing to just hrow her life away easily as she was before.

And i like helen's version of the drill sword better. Her version hasn't got the weakness of Jean's version, which is the amount of time that had to be taken to twist her arm around 21 times. And if i recall Helen was able to break Riful's strips when saving Audrey.

And I'd say that Galatea is stronger than Yuma, Tabitha and Cynthia. Don't know about Helen and Deneve but Clare and Miria are probz stronger than her.

Playmore

03-04-2008, 08:08 PM

And i like helen's version of the drill sword better. Her version hasn't got the weakness of Jean's version, which is the amount of time that had to be taken to twist her arm around 21 times. And if i recall Helen was able to break Riful's strips when saving Audrey.

21 turns was the max turns she could do and also that would result in max damage but that doesn't mean that Jean had to always to max all time when facing an ennemy.
Maybe here helen didn't had to need to turn that much (like 10 turns?) since the AB wasn't like the heavy plated protected Duff.
Anyway, she added a nice tech with her already incredible limb extension.

Vermillius

03-04-2008, 08:08 PM

....Agatha seems kind of weak for a former number 2. I say this comparing her to Rigald.

In the Blink of an Eye, Rigald was able to kill 1 single digit, fatally wound another single digit, and kill 2 other high ranking Claymores. Realistically speaking, he would have killed Miria too if Clare hadn't partially awakened. Mind you, all of these Claymores were against Rigald.

Agatha on the other hand had to deal with only 2 single digits, who were primarily fighting each other. If Galatea and Miata had worked together from the beginning they probably could have taken her down a few notches, if not beat her outright. Then the deserters showed up and completely overpowered her.

She just seems kind of unremarkable to me.

Look at it like this.

If Agatha was the one who they fought in the north...would there have been so many loses?

If Rigald was the one in Rabona...would Miata and Galatea have survived long enough to be rescued? Would Clare and co have been able to take him down so easily?

I think not. Really, I think that Agatha is about as strong as Duff, with Duff being more powerful in terms of offense and Defense. Clare's Wind Cutter which is weaker than the Quick Sword, easily sliced up Agatha's legs. The quick sword at best could only scratch Duff. Granted, he was incredibly stupid, but in terms of doing damage and taking damage he seemed superior to Agatha.

IMO

01. Priscilla
02. Easely
03. Riful
04. Luciela
05. Alicia
06. Rosemary
07. Rigald
08. Duff
09. Agatha
10. Ophelia
11. Hilda

SilentBuddhist

03-04-2008, 08:26 PM

Yeah, that makes sense. Her "real" awakened form wasn't anything special either, and in terms of damage-dealing, she didn't hurt Miata THAT much, and could even be damaged by a failure like Clarice. To even get a scratch from a failure Claymore shows that the one being attacked is weak. The only ones Agatha really could kill were humans, but that doesn't say much.

NorthernSky

03-04-2008, 08:46 PM

I'm not really convinced that we've seen the true strenght of Agatha though. She was toying aroud with Galatea and Miata after all, and failed to realize that the 7 were a threat to her. And once the 7 started to attack her, there wasn't really much room for her to do anything about it.

chezkimo

03-04-2008, 09:09 PM

jumpydady

03-04-2008, 09:31 PM

hum how long does a claymore manga chapter takes to release?

ZAraki

03-04-2008, 09:34 PM

hmm Agatha was really vulnerable for a former #2 not really one of those armored types so she seed weak......and jumpydady it comes out once each month...

wany1981

03-04-2008, 10:09 PM

if u look at the picture again. U can see some of the legs were destoried quicker then the other.

I would most definity say Yuma was the most improved claymore out of the seven. I remeber when we first time see her. She was shaking and all scared at the sight of an above average awaken being. Now she can stand before agasa without fear. Even if she had a little trouble blocking a weakened agasa's attack(she is the only one of the seven that sweat when fighting). That is still major improvement. I would most definitly rank her around 13-19 in the claymore chat if she went back to organization for a reranking. Agasa died a pitful death only because 6 out of the 7 ghosts are now single digit level. 4/7 can probably ranked among 1-5 in all claymore class history. 2/7 are close to become as strong as monsters like Alicia, Beth, Rafeala, trainee Teresa and trainee Prisicla level. But i have said it before and i will say it again. Both galatea and Miata are weaker then clare and miria but stronger the other 5 ghosts.

once again let's all join here together today to offer a one miniute silence for the fallen butt nakid awaken being. Former no.2 Agasa, May you rest in hell.

SilentBuddhist

03-04-2008, 10:14 PM

...The devils in hell are too noisy to allow one minute of silence >.>

Well of course, the weakest characters will always be the ones that improve the most, as they will have the most room to make improvements. That's why the newbies of most manga eventually turn out to become very powerful adversaries.

chezkimo

03-04-2008, 10:20 PM

Right minutes over, now lets get back to slagging Agatha off. We still havn't found out what generation she's from...

But about Yuma, Miata did say that they were all strong. And as before the seven year gap, when Rigaldo was analysing the 24 (i think that's how many there were) warriors, he seemed very knowledgable and deemed the lowest rank of strong warriors is #13. So i'd say Yuma is #13-#11. The only reason why i wouldn't call her a single digit is because she hasn't got a unique technique like many single digits do and that she dosn't really specify in any one area EG speed, healing, yoki sensing etc.

Kung-Fu Pikachu

03-04-2008, 10:43 PM

hum how long does a claymore manga chapter takes to release?

pretty sure its a month per release

Duath

03-05-2008, 02:09 AM

Keep in mind that Rigaldo had a very different mindset from Agatha. He wasted no time in playing with his opponents, and instead chose to utilize his true powers to absolutely decimate them. On the other hand, Agatha has been playing around till the ghosts arrived.

Basically, she revealed her weak form, and toyed with her opponents, allowing herself to indulge, and still fight against them. It is this mentality, the desire to play with opponents, that prevented her from immediately terminating her opponents, and allowed herself to get hurt.

Think about it this way. If Rigaldo wasn't using his speed and lion form, but had his human form, could Clarice cut him? The answer is most likely yes, simply because in the human form they are vulnerable to surprises.

So its not that Agatha is weaker, she just had a different mindset than Rigaldo, which made her weaker in the long run.

Vermillius

03-05-2008, 03:11 AM

Long time no see vermillius

I do think Agatha is weaker than Rigaldo and Rosemary but she isn't SO weak. Remember she kept poking holes in Miata and even Galatea was surprised to find that Miata was damaged like that, even though she should of sensed it anyway, so that means that those things she was attacking with were probably very fast. It's quite hard to compare awakened beings as thier forms are for different purposes. agasa's more for defense and long-ranged combat and Rigaldo's was more for speed, and long-ranged attacks are easier to dodge, where as Rigaldo went full-frontal and used close-combat with his huge speed. And Rosemary was like an all rounder.

But i digress. i have to say that you can't rank the 4 abyssal ones. They're about as strong as each other.

It has indeed been awhile Chezkimo. I trust you are in good spirits and health.

I think you're giving Agatha too much credit. While it was a nice trick when she managed to wound Miata, the fact remains that she wounded her while she was fighting against Galatea. If the two had been united against her, I think she would have been in a whole lot of trouble. Don't get me wrong, she's still a formidable opponent for an awakened being, but as a #2 she seems like a let down.

As for the abyssal ones, they are closely matched, but closely matched does not mean they are equal. Lucilea definitely lost to Easely. He barely won, but he did win.

Keep in mind that Rigaldo had a very different mindset from Agatha. He wasted no time in playing with his opponents, and instead chose to utilize his true powers to absolutely decimate them. On the other hand, Agatha has been playing around till the ghosts arrived.

Basically, she revealed her weak form, and toyed with her opponents, allowing herself to indulge, and still fight against them. It is this mentality, the desire to play with opponents, that prevented her from immediately terminating her opponents, and allowed herself to get hurt.

Think about it this way. If Rigaldo wasn't using his speed and lion form, but had his human form, could Clarice cut him? The answer is most likely yes, simply because in the human form they are vulnerable to surprises.

So its not that Agatha is weaker, she just had a different mindset than Rigaldo, which made her weaker in the long run.

Mind set does play a huge role in things. Rigald fought with ruthless efficiency while Agatha played around. Rigald's success rate was largely due to his mentality when it came to fighting. Not only that, but in terms of analytical ability, Rigald thought more deeply than Agatha.

However...consider Agatha's performance when she got serious. When all of her legs got cut off, she changed form. At this point she knew she had a fight on her hands. This form had a shifting weakpoint, which was a good strategy. But offensively, what did she really do in that form? Spit out a few tentacles? That was her attack method in the other shape. The only reason Galatea lost an arm was because she was fighting Miata.

Also, I think that Rosemary is on a different level than Agatha and Rigald. Unlike those two, she was actually number 1 at one point, which meant if she had awakened during that period she would have been considered an Abyssal One. Teresa did make her look pretty weak, but...Teresa was on a completely different level to begin with.

bugref

03-05-2008, 03:35 AM

Also, I think that Rosemary is on a different level than Agatha and Rigald. Unlike those two, she was actually number 1 at one point, which meant if she had awakened during that period she would have been considered an Abyssal One. Teresa did make her look pretty weak, but...Teresa was on a completely different level to begin with.

Very Well Said. Nice one Verm...

Thanks 10sigh and welcome back again. thnx obxist, and FrankyHouse for sharing your posts. while 10sigh was not available that time...

xoWilly-Boyox

03-05-2008, 04:11 AM

Really quick question and is seriously out of topic. I just don't want to make a new thread and get flamed cause of it.

I haven't really started reading Claymore, but I hear is really good.
My question would be: Is there any sort of love/romance in this manga?

I like reading a manga with a little bit of everything.
Sorry for the pointless post. ~_~ I didn't know where to ask.

SilentBuddhist

03-05-2008, 04:20 AM

ghassassin

03-05-2008, 05:07 AM

I haven't really started reading Claymore, but I hear is really good.
My question would be: Is there any sort of love/romance in this manga?

Not yet. At least not a full frontal love scene. The hints are there though. Raki-Clare is gradually building up and now that Raki has grown up and has learned swords and all, his hormones will surely be ticking in.

Isley-Priscilla? Not really romantic, but a little better than "lame". You don't get to see monsters in love, that often. >.>

Tensa Zangetsu

03-05-2008, 05:23 AM

Just one kiss from Clare to Raki--that's it. But it doesn't have any real romantic themes to it.

Well at least it's better than making a thread for it :D

I agree that Rosemary is being underestimated. We can't forget she was fighting Teresa, so her fate was utterly sealed to begin with. But being a former #1 means she could possibly be at an Abyssal's level, if not close to it.

But the difference between Rosemary as #1 and Teresa as #1 was....infinite.....the gap was too large. Rosemary could have either been one of the weakest #1's or Teresa was just one of the strongest. Like previously mentioned in the ancient claymore threads, after Luciela's little incident #1 and #2 of that gen. were gone so the #1 at that time would have been faaaarrrr weaker. Rosemary may have been the #3 at the time and was promoted to #1 before she was ready or something......

lsumd2011

03-05-2008, 07:14 AM

I haven't really started reading Claymore, but I hear is really good.
My question would be: Is there any sort of love/romance in this manga?

Like the previous people said, there hasn't been any romantic relationships thus far, though there are some couples in Claymore. Riful and Dauf are one, which is nasty I know, but apparently Dauf is the only man capable of taking Riful without breaking. (Killer in the sack much Riful?) Isley and Priscilla are another, though as mentally messed up as Priscilla is I doubt she even knows what Isley is doing to her, if he is doing anything. Clare and Teressa were another pair, but their love was strictly platonic. (i.e. They did love each other deeply, but just as a little sis/big sis kinda way)

The only relationship right now that can really become a romantic one would be that of Raki and Clare when/if they are reunited. Raki is obviously in love with Clare, hell he had the hots for her since chapter one and Clare has feeling for Raki too, as she frenched him before they seperated, promising Raki that they would meet again. Additionally, Raki getting shipped north by slavers was the primary reason for her going to Pieta, and in those seven years shes been in the north, she was either training or looking for him and he is also one of the main reason for her going back south. My guess is that after they meet up again Raki and Clare will probably wind up becoming lovers.

jumpydady

03-05-2008, 08:30 AM

thank you

jumpydady

03-05-2008, 08:33 AM

hm is it possible that the raki boy may became an male claymore? who knows since he want to be stronger and he is travelling with those two...

lsumd2011

03-05-2008, 08:53 AM

hm is it possible that the raki boy may became an male claymore? who knows since he want to be stronger and he is traveling with those two...

It is an open possibility. Though for that to happen Isely would have to know the nuisances of the process to create a proper claymore, though there is a pretty good chance he does, seeing as how he went through the process himself. Considering Raki's desperate desire to become strong enough to protect Clare, Isely may well have offered him the opportunity to become a Claymore during these seven years. It's also possible that he is trying to create a second Priscilla with Raki, but one that is mentally stable. (After all, one demigod is good, but two be better.) My guess is that we will see Raki sometime within the next two to five chapters and learn exactly what is up with him.

pigpie

03-05-2008, 11:24 AM

Raki won't turn into a Claymore...I mean why would he turn into one,it is a bit weird.....I cannot imagine Raki meeting Clare one day with white hair and silver eyes...it's possibility is close to zero.

kr4us

03-05-2008, 11:59 AM

Fight was too quick for me, is there any chance that Agasa might still be alive (some kind of escape technique)? I mean compared to the Rigardo fight... well you know what I mean.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 01:01 PM

Nope, Agasa is dead. As they explained in the manga, that was her real body, the part of the body which so many ABs have which include all thier human body parts. The only way that Agatha would have escaped is if only her head was chopped off- but it was actually chopped to pieces.

And the possibility of Raki turning into a claymore was discussed looooong ago and after discussing the posibility to it's limit there was no real possible way of Raki turning into a claymore. And i don't think Isley has knowledge of the process to turn a human into a claymore and there's no chance in hell Raki would be recruited by the orginisation...unless the mangacka proves me wrong.

Playmore

03-05-2008, 01:04 PM

Fight was too quick for me, is there any chance that Agasa might still be alive (some kind of escape technique)? I mean compared to the Rigardo fight... well you know what I mean.

fight was quick can't help about it. She is really dead.
An other chapter with Agata would be too much for a secondary character, we get see her in chapter 75-76-77-78.

The story will follow probably with less actions and more talking with all the (ex)claymores and with the people of Rabona.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 01:11 PM

Yeah, Agatha's onyl a secondary character. You can tell because we know jack all about her and she resembles a watered down version of Riful. And with only a chapter out every month and only like 72 chapters to go until it finishes, we can't put too many chapters on agatha.

Hopefully, now that Agatha and the Robanna business is finished we'll be able to see what's happened to Raki, what Gal and miata and clarice is going to do. And what's going on with the org. s they have Alicia and Beth all prepped and ready. looks like the plot's only going to thicken

NorthernSky

03-05-2008, 01:32 PM

Yeah, hopefully we'll see Raki in at most three months time.
Personally I don't know if the organisation can spend so many resources on doing anything about the 7. If I remember it correctly, it has been implied that the org is currently weakened, so with Riful and Isley on the move they might have other troubles to deal with first.

72 chapters until it finishes? Is that just an estimate or is there actually a confirmation of that? It's the first time I've heard about it ;o

Evilminion18

03-05-2008, 01:51 PM

Well the Blackcoats could ally with Riful... seems like a smart thing to do two weaker powers coming together to take out a stronger one.

I don't think the organization have to be worried about the 7 right now, Miria must know it would be a bad idea to remove them at this time.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 01:55 PM

Well aparently my well-informed freinds told me there'sm only going to be around 150 chapters. :( io was like NOOOOO! How are we going to discover all the secrets of claymore world in only 72 more chapters!

And that would be smart teaming up with Riful, but that's kinda like teaming up with a crazy mass murderer to go and assisinate another person. IE. Riful can't be trusted as much as they can throw her- and with that huge body, they can't throw her very far.

Evilminion18

03-05-2008, 02:06 PM

I never said there had to be trust hell the blackcoats don't even trust their own soilders but hey Riful is a smart girl and knows she can't take Isley on her own so she wouldn't screw them over until after Isley is dead.

Still wondering what Riful is looking for though.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 02:21 PM

hmmm. true. And i'm sure once Isley would be killed the org. would be the ones to screw over Riful, because lets face it. Riful only started going around turning claymores because of her own survival.

Oh no, this is turning into a convo. about Riful. Change of subject

Is it me or did it seem like when it came to the northen war that the org. wanted to wipe out all thier forces. They had no reason to send those 24 warriors to the north as Alicia and Beth wouild of tken care of them from the start as it was inevitable that Isley was gonna send ABs the orgs way. Also, all of the single digits, every single one of them got wiped out, leaving only Alicia and Beth! And more than half of all the claymores got wiped out.

Plus how come they sent Jean and a team directly to where Riful was and the same for #7 Eva straight to Isley's territory. It all seems fat too coincidental. Perhaps rumours and information were being passed around too much. And any and all claymores who made the slightest bit of trouble were sent to be wiped out on dangerous missions. In the northen war case- suicide missions even.

I can't wait to see the black-coats faceswhen they've found out that Clare & group are still alive!

ZAraki

03-05-2008, 03:09 PM

hm is it possible that the raki boy may became an male claymore? who knows since he want to be stronger and he is travelling with those two...

that's one of the most possible things of this series since it's a bit lame for Raki to remain some boring swordsman...so just when clare is being defeated at last Raki comes in and protects her for the first time(just as he always promised:))

Vermillius

03-05-2008, 03:12 PM

But the difference between Rosemary as #1 and Teresa as #1 was....infinite.....the gap was too large. Rosemary could have either been one of the weakest #1's or Teresa was just one of the strongest. Like previously mentioned in the ancient claymore threads, after Luciela's little incident #1 and #2 of that gen. were gone so the #1 at that time would have been faaaarrrr weaker. Rosemary may have been the #3 at the time and was promoted to #1 before she was ready or something......

I don't think Rosemary was weak. That handler very specifically told Teresa to finish her off without question, because she was a former number 1. When asked whether or not she let her awaken, Teresa denied it, as if implying that it would have been too much for her too handle.

Anyways...when Riful had said she found something interesting, I thought she was referring to Miata.

The organization said she had the potential to aim for number 1. The only other possibility would be Raphaela, but that doesn't make much sense because Raphaela is an expert at concealing her Yoki, so Riful would be unable to track or even detect her long distance.

As for Raki becoming a Claymore, or an Awakened...that would be kind of silly. Unless they provided a very lengthy explanation of how Easely knew how to replicate the claymore process. But that wouldn't make much sense either, because if they knew how to create awakened beings, wouldn't Riful have made her own allies by now?

Also...I noticed something.

In the first chapter, the yoma that devoured Raki's brother said he took the memories of the person he has devoured. So far we have only seen that ability used once by a Yoma, but not by awakened beings. Do awakened have that ability? Or is it exclusive to yoma?

If Awakened Beings have that ability, then, theoretically, they could eat someone who knew the Claymore process and make Claymores. I was actually going to use this as a sub-plot for the RP, but opted not to since it was never clarified or touch upon...but I digress.

Yoma can imitate a variety of different things, but so far, I've never seen an Awakened Being take on different human forms. So it seems that consuming memories, and taking on a variety of forms is something yoma exclusive that Awakened Beings cannot do. Of course, being x10 stronger makes up for it.

pigpie

03-05-2008, 03:15 PM

Raki turning into a Claymore is a stupid idea,if that is really implemented in the manga than it will be worse than the animes' ending.

I am guessing the 24 were sent because they are trouble makers.Alicia and Beth weren't sent because they weren't complete yet and them being an asset to the org,losing Alicia and Beth would be too much.I guess making a bein who has power to defeat the Abyssal one is a lot more more worth it than losing 24 warriors that has a no possibility of even being a threat to the Abyssal ones.

Yoma eating someone who knew the process of making a claymore is not possible.Those who know how to make Claymores are the Org and I doubt the org really goes out of the Org building and the building looks like somewhere in the desert,I doubt there are any yoma there,and even if a Yoma were to successfully enter the Org,they would be instantly killed by a Claymore.
Lets say a Yoma somehow found out the process and did make a Claymore,do you seriously think the Claymore will aid the Yoma?

NorthernSky

03-05-2008, 03:16 PM

I've always thought that the 24 warriors were sent North, because the experiments with Alicia and Beth weren't done yet, and they needed more time.

Now that it's been brought up, it's indeed weird that the org would send warriors to Rifuls hideout. But the org probably doesn't know the exactly where the abyssal ones reside/live only a large extimate like "north", "west" etc. so it's still a possibility that it was really bad luck on Jeans part.
The same goes for Eva, I think. The impression I got from reading the Manga was that they were ambushed while patrolling in the north. But of course, it could've been the organisations intention- maybe in order to stay out of the abyssal ones war they used to claymores as sacrifices to appease Riful and Isley. Having lost all those claymores won't have any noticable effect on hunting the small fry yomas which still present the main source of income for the organisation, but it prevents them from butting in into the conflict.

I somehow doubt Raki's going to turn into a male claymore. I don't remember if she did it , but didn't Clare tell him why only women are able to become claymores, so I doubt that he'd accept anything like that knowing the consequences.

Kurapika

03-05-2008, 03:19 PM

Its because males awaken much easier then females. and if he were to become a claymore he'd just aweken soon so him becomming a claymore is dumb

pigpie

03-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Its because males awaken much easier then females. and if he were to become a claymore he'd just aweken soon so him becomming a claymore is dumb

I actually think that is Raki were to become a Claymore and awaken,he would be one of the crappiest Awakened Being around,maybe he will turn into a huge turtle and always hide in his shell or something.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Actually i think his awakened form would be smaller than his actual human form. Yep, he'd be so week that awakeneing will have the opposite effect it has on normal warriors. He'd turn into a misqoito, coz lets face it, that's the only thing that comes close to being as ennoying as Raki.

Either that or he'll turn into Naruto! *chuckle*

pigpie

03-05-2008, 03:53 PM

A mosquito with dengue that not only causes Death but also Wussiness

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 04:22 PM

SapphireBlader

03-05-2008, 04:45 PM

Evilminion18

03-05-2008, 05:04 PM

lol!

Org person: "there's an awakened being coming towards the HQ"
org leader: "It must be Isley, assemble the emotionless twins A&B"
Org P: "no, it's much worse! It's AB Raki!"
Org L: "Dear god, he's finally come! Evacuate the orginisation or we'll be killed... by his ennoyance and wussiness!

Your forgot to say one of the blackcoats yelling "it's over 9000!!"

Either that or he'll turn into Naruto! *chuckle*

Believe it!!:lol:

hmmm still don't see Raki coming back as a claymore I doubt Isley has the knowledge or the equipment to make him into one... I mean turing someone into a halfbreed sin against nature must require some crazy tools to perform.

Only thing Raki has been doing is training to his human limits and making babies with Prissy.

pigpie

03-05-2008, 05:25 PM

I think the scenario is more like this.

Rene:I sense an awaken being coming this way....

Org:How is it possible....it must be really strong...

Rene faints...

Clarice:Oh crap...it must be really strong...Miata,Lets go..

Org:No...we must sent the Emo Girls.....Alicia and Beth

Emo Girls in their room slashing each other...

Org:OH GREAT...AB COMING...HURRY...HURRY

Emo Girls continues slashing

Org:-_-..Alicia...Attack....

Alicia awakens and flys towards AB and starts slashing away at thin air

Org:So that is all you understand

Org:WTH is she doing....on no,she has fainted as well

Miata than walks up and spray finish a can of insecticide at the small AB...

Org:Wow...how did you...

Rene wakes up

Rene:The annoyance in my head...its gone,how did Miata do it...

Miata:Oh...I am already used to the annoyance..I have been feeding from one....but this is different,I almost felt like my head was bursting..

Clare:Because that is Raki...and he is a dick...I sent him to annoy Prissy to death.

Miata:If so how did you survive him all this time.

Clare:Don't you know?...I am an irritant too...I caused Teresa death..

lsumd2011

03-05-2008, 06:22 PM

Ok ok, geez enough with the friggen Raki bashing. Yes the boy cries a lot, but it isn't like he's a coward, and it's not as though he can help being a full blooded human ya know. Also, what age was he before the timeskip, 12 or 13 correct? There isn't a lot of shining example of manly bad assness at that age ya know, so give the poor kid a break for crying out loud.

As for him becoming a male claymore, the reason I said that is because the possibility is there. I mean let's look at the situation objectively:

a: Raki is training under Isely, who was himself a claymore, thus had to go through the transformation process. Now we currently do not know the details of how to create a yoma/human hybrid, so if the creation is highly complex or requires certain drugs or chemicals, then yes, it is impossible. However, if the process is something like: insert yoma goo here-->sit and let mutate for x amount of time-->train hybrid's *** off, then yeah Isley can make Raki into a claymore. And as for the yoma goo, don't forget who Raki is shacking up with. If Raki does indeed become a claymore, being infused with Isley's or Priscella's blood would probably make him damn strong.

b: Raki has already expressed a desire to grow strong enough to, at the least, not be a burden to Clare, and at most, to be able to protect her. So if Isley would offer him the opportunity to gain the power necessary to fulfill that goal, Raki would probably jump at the opportunity.

c: Isley is something of an enigma to me and I can't tell if the man has some grand scheme going on or he just went south just 'cause. But either way I think turning Raki into a guinea pig in order to see if he could duplicate Priscilla's power would seem as something he might do, especially when the guinea pig would be willing give himself over for experimentation. Isley has already stated that Raki, "Could become strong" so that might indicate that he has something particular planned for the boy.

Mind you I'm not saying that that this is going to happen, just that it's an open possibility. I mean the only way Raki to become strong enough to not be a burden would be to become a claymore. Mind you its a far greater chance that Raki will just stay as your token love interest character for Clare, but we'll just have to wait and see.

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 06:47 PM

Why? Raki bashing is fun and way too easy!

hmmm. I get it. There's a possibility, even though a slim one, it's still there.But i disagree with you that because Isley has been through the process he might be able to do it.
Unless there's some kind of conspiracy or secret and for some reason he took part in making humans into claymores, then it's impozssible for him to know how to do it.

The most reasonable logic is that in the seven years he found out that Isley and prissy are ABs and then runs away. And then is found or goes to the org. and gets recruited by the org. which is very slim in chances also.

jerros

03-05-2008, 06:51 PM

chezkimo

03-05-2008, 06:54 PM

yeah, exactly. And now that i think about it, only those that have nothing to live for anymore become claymores. Which is why orphans are taken and recruited by the org.

samurai89

03-05-2008, 06:59 PM

It would be interesting to see Raki turn into some freakishly powerful....freak....I would love to see if his memory gets wiped out if he does go through the transformation and he becomes a mindless puppet. But that is just wishful thinking

NorthernSky

03-05-2008, 07:04 PM

But for him to become a claymore now? I don't know I find it unlikely, he's the guy who reminded Claire of her humanity if he were to lose his...well I just don't see how that would benefit the story.

Exactly. He's kind of the Human representative in a main cast of Yomas/Claymores. Also I'm not so sure if humans really are that useless in battling yomas as we're led to believe. I mean, it's been stated that Yomas have always existed, which means they've existed also before the founding of the organisation. If thats the case, shouldn't the humans have been overrun by the yomas a long time ago?
This might be a bit far-fetched, but considering the amount of influence and power the org gets because of their "monopoly" in defeating Yoma, it's not an impossibility that they might withhold other ways to fight yomas from the public for their own gain.

lsumd2011

03-05-2008, 07:04 PM

In my opinion if Raki were to become a claymore then it's likely he's going to awaken prematurely (he's not exactly someone who has the emotional fortitude to prevent an awakening) and that'll lead to a fight with Claire.

I could possibly see him turning into a claymore and walking off into the sunset in the last chapter of the manga as well.

But for him to become a claymore now? I don't know I find it unlikely, he's the guy who reminded Claire of her humanity if he were to lose his...well I just don't see how that would benefit the story.

Well like I said, the chances of him becoming a Claymore is there, but it isn't all that high. I mean there's probably a 75% chance that he'll just be Clare's token love interest the rest of the series. I mean his training with Isley could just have made him into a badass human swordsman (claymore version of Guts maybe :p) and that is it, or Priscilla could have gotten hungry and turned him into yoma poop for all we know. Odds are we will be seeing him somewhere within the next 3 chapters and we will see how he turned out then.

Playmore

03-05-2008, 07:38 PM

I don't know why raki keep on coming back lol... no need to go that far.

I'm more interested in what our claymores will discuss between them now.
Galatea and our ghosts will exchange infos... they will also get info from miata/clarice.

lsumd2011

03-05-2008, 07:58 PM

Yeah, we are getting a bit off topic aren't we? My guess Galatea we reveal why she went rouge, Miria will probably invite Galatea to join the group as well. Miata might start attacking Galatea again too, seeing as how no ones is bulling mama anymore.

SapphireBlader

03-05-2008, 08:23 PM

hmmm... Even though Raki bashing (therefore Clarice bashing) is fun, we should stay on topic...Someone should create a Raki bashing thread...

jumpydady

03-05-2008, 08:26 PM

hmm, we cant forget that clare before becoming a claymore isn't much different from raki(maybe weaker), i think it does matter the yoma that is putted on him... (just my opinion that can be very decisive if he would be strong or weak like putting priscela's part on him, of course if he can convince her to do so :P)... oh an by the way why does the former number 2 awakening form looks so similar to Miria's friend in awakening form?

hiffi

03-05-2008, 09:08 PM

thx...i want to read the next chapter ^^

Evilminion18

03-06-2008, 02:25 AM

Exactly. He's kind of the Human representative in a main cast of Yomas/Claymores. Also I'm not so sure if humans really are that useless in battling yomas as we're led to believe. I mean, it's been stated that Yomas have always existed, which means they've existed also before the founding of the organisation. If thats the case, shouldn't the humans have been overrun by the yomas a long time ago?
This might be a bit far-fetched, but considering the amount of influence and power the org gets because of their "monopoly" in defeating Yoma, it's not an impossibility that they might withhold other ways to fight yomas from the public for their own gain.

For normal yomas an organized and well trained group of soldiers would most likely be enough but I highly doubt normal humans could fight against an awakened being.

pigpie

03-06-2008, 06:20 AM

I always have people giving me a LOL message when I write about that kind of Jokes...Claymore spoofing...you are the first who got insulted by it Ismund2011....well,second actually,there was another Raki-Fanboy in the older thread as well.

Anyway....
Galatea going rouge partly is to get the Awakened Being and also I think that she knows the Org is finding a way to get rid of her in preparation for the new "eye" of the Org which is Rune or Lune...whatever her name is,her staying in the Org is like waiting for death.

I dunno about her joining the Defiant Ones...she would be like a "reject".The next chapter definitely will have a lot of talking....Clare talking to Galatea,Galk and Cid while Miria tries to shut Clarice and Miata up...somehow.Actually the 7 can just go screw the Orgs *** right now....go right in and slice off the neck,only problems they will face are Beth and Alicia....but just give them a knife and let them slash themselves is enough...emogirls

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 06:54 AM

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to come off as an insulted Raki fanboy. And the comment wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just tired of comments in general so don't take it the wrong way.

At any rate I agree there is going to be quite a bit of talking next chapter, and probably the one after that too. The only thing that is really up in the air right now is what is going to happen to Galatea, Maita and Clarice. The later two are probably going to go back to the organization and report was happened, and Galatea will probably tag along with the 7. Really I don't see an alternative for Galatea, I mean the organization is hunting her and her cover as a nun is obviously blown, so its basically tag along with the seven or go wonder off alone. (Or join Irene and Raph and their deserters' retreat.) :p

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 08:16 AM

wait!!!! hope your not taking me as a raki fan boy i just like to think in possibilities that normally others doesn't approve :P oh and did the author made it just that way for grew raki a little bit(7 years) for him to be a more decent lover? :P, but yes there will be a lot of talk next chapter maybe galatea will join (i don't think so) maybe she wont join but will help, or maybe she will try to persuade them to quite(in my opinion the last two option at the same time is most likely) or and last but not likely too galatea oppose the group ...

Chibitea

03-06-2008, 08:22 AM

I hope Galatea doesn't do the same thing Irene did mainly cause she'll end up dead ....

Imo some things she's gonna have to do ...

1.- Regenerate at least her arm , the whole yoki thing won't be a problem anymore since the Org already know where she is and that she's still alive

2.- Get out of Rabona cause if she stays there more claymores will go after her, and probably the people /mayor? lol /Priest / *Insert authority figure here* won't let her stay in the city given the fact that claymores are not allowed in Rabona.

even tho i would like that galatea would have more involvement in the history and more character development she is actually in a very weird position right now i mean she doesnt fit very well with any other character .....

She would be like an outcast if she joined the seven ...

She CAN'T (or at least shouldn't stay in Rabona)

and even if she goes solo that's pretty much it ... and she'll still be getting chased by claymores ..:(

So right now to me the most intriguing character at least until next chapter is galatea cause her fate it's the harder one to figure out ....we'll have to wait and see what Yagi-sama has in store for her :confused:

Still my favorite Claymore tho :thumbup:

About miata an clarice ......i pretty much think they'll go back to the org but i don't think they'll tell them the truth about what happened, but the org probably had someone watching the fight like when they used gal to sense yoki on the first battle of clare against an AB (Rene maybe ?) so i bet they DO know what happened.....

And about miata still fighting galatea ...NO WAYY unless she wants to die in 5 seconds cause the 7 are not gonna let that happen and even if miata tried probably her "mamma" will stop her from doing it ...:D

pigpie

03-06-2008, 10:26 AM

The writer is most probably hitting his head against the wall for putting Galatea in such an awkward position...BANG BANG BANG..."What to do?"

After wiki-ing Claymore,I found out that the writer likes to introduce us to many awakened No.2 ,well...compared to other No.

First was Prissy

Later on was Rigald

Than Rosemary

And now Agatha.

chezkimo

03-06-2008, 03:58 PM

Yeah, the writer probably kicks himslef now that he has made Galatea such a complex xharacter. They're all pretty complex characters to begin with but before the seven year gap, we just thought of galatea as the beauty queen claymore. Now we find out that she's kind of the person Miria is. Going against the injustice of the org. and practicly sacrificing herself to help the people of Rabona and being a lone wolf. In terms of her character she's defo. blossomed.

And i noticed that about the #2s. I guess the awakened #2s arn't all known and they don't last as long as #1s, who last long, as we know because there's been like 75 generations so far and only 5 #1s, not including those who have the equal power of one or who have the possibility of one.

Infact lets list all the #1s, those who have the possibility of being one and the ones which have equal power as them:

Isley
Riful
Luciela
Rafaela
Teresa
Rosemary
Alicia
Beth
Miata
Priscilla

That makes 10. 10 potential #1s and somehow the org. has let slip all but 3. Man the org. are getting sloppy in handling thier warriors. With the exception of Alicia and Beth ofcourse who were molded to be the perfect emo twin warriors.

PS Like my sig. picture in the spoiler bit?

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 04:09 PM

The image in your sig breaks the rules =P But it's nice. It's just too big, dimension and kb wise.

Heh, emo twins...that has a nice ring to it...:p

But yeah, it wasn't that long ago that we thought of her as the Beauty Queen, but now she's a character that's very similar to Miria, in terms of their going against the Org, one way or another. She's now a character that actually has some more depth to her. There's still room for more (it'd be nice to have an Extra Scene for her, imo >.>), but she's gone a long way already.

The list of people you put down, just for etc. notes, are mostly all #1's and 2's, with Miata, #4, being the only exception. And I'm going to strongly assume she's among those three. But, as the Org people once said, the best warriors are the ones that don't last for too long...so that may be something that could come into play later on, maybe?

pigpie

03-06-2008, 04:12 PM

Nice Sig....I thot you will do a Riful one tho...you being a Riful fan.

Alicia And Beth should be know as The Emo Ones,actually a lot of Claymores are all emo..only thing is that they wear white so it isn't so obvious....Clare is definitely emo,Raphy is emo,Teresa WAS emo until Clare un-emo her which is quite ironic now.

Why my sig can't show?....

Best warriors are those that don't last long.....is Prissy counted as don't last long...she didn't last long as a warrior,most probably the Orgs fav because she is such a shallow girl...all black and white..wither right or wrong with no exception.Strong but Stupid..like a Simbo...like Bimbo....S stands for Strong in Simbo while B stands for Beauty in Bimbo that is...

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 04:49 PM

hm with all this emo talk maybe the writer is going to introduce us a yoma(probably an awakening being) that hate yomas and likes/protects humans but with an emo personality (lame) :P...

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 06:35 PM

Well this is a Gothic themed manga, so people are going to be emo by default. Besides, most of us wouldn't exactly be all that chipper if everyone we know go eaten by yoma, we were kidnapped and turned into mutants and forced to serve some organization until we are killed or turned into the very thing that took our normal life away. In that light, you kinda see the reason for all the wrist slashing. :p

You know, with all the emos running around, I wonder Sasuke might make a cameo, he'd fit right after all. :D

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 06:43 PM

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 06:46 PM

man putting naruto in claymore would be no fun at all... they would unbalance the story, unless of course someone like orochimaru by greed of power would turn himself in to a awakening being...but still no fun...

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 07:02 PM

Who the hell said as a living character? Having Sasuke appear as horribly eviscerated human #930939584 would be just fine in my book. ;)

In plot related news, I honestly think Galatea will join the 7. I mean the 8 of them have basically the same general mentality when it comes to the organization and though she isn't one of the northern survivors, I highly doubt she would be treated as an outcast by the seven. Plus she does fit the perceived requirements for a member of the group, anti-organization, powerful, unique abilities, capable of totally earasing yoma aura, etc. The only problems I could see to her joining would be that:
a: she might not want to for whatever reason
b: Tabatha would get jealous :p
c: Might have trouble following the group when she "sees" by reading yoma auras. (Which they have none of.) Plus she might run into trees-n-stuff while traveling. Though Yuma could be her "seeing eye claymore" or something. :D

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 07:09 PM

Yeah, the trees...that's a problem, lol...trees don't have yoki :p

Or, what about a mountain? What if she accidentally walks off a cliff unknowingly? 0.o That'd be a lame way to die >.>

LOL...Yuma would then finally serve a purpose...being her guide >.<

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 07:14 PM

being she so powerful maybe she can survive even in those kind of condition, i mean its not the first time in a story appearing a blind warrior that can survive on his own in the wilderness ... :P

Dantrag

03-06-2008, 07:21 PM

I just had a weird mental image of Yuma with a dog collar and Galatea holding the leash. Some stop me before I take that to the wrong direction *nosebleed* Moe *nosebleed*

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 07:25 PM

0.o

RIGHT TURN ONLY DANTRAG!! SNAP OUT OF IT!!!

>.>

Yeah...don't even go there...anyways, back to the topic at hand. I'm glad Agatha's gone. I didn't like her.

*slides off topic*

Eh, even if Gal were attacked by a bear or something and Yuma ran away, I wouldn't be worried. The bear could be smelly enough that she figured out where it was before it saw her :p

Wait...do bears even exist in the Claymore world? Gah, I'm going way off again >.>

NorthernSky

03-06-2008, 07:46 PM

Meh, in most more fantasy oriented storys blindness doesn't seem to affect characters anyway. They're all shown to be blind, and still live without any hindrance at all ><

Dantrag

03-06-2008, 07:49 PM

*turns right and walks into a wall* You know you're directions were a bit off... :devil: *bloody nose and bruises all over*

Anyways, I don't see why there couldn't be bears, there are other animals including horses in the claymoreverse so why not wolves and such. Though I did find it a bit peculiar that the horses that Prissy, Isley and Raki used when they traveled south, weren't afraid of the AB's, usually horses are terrified of carnivores...

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 07:52 PM

yes thats what i have been trying to say, but still i don't believe she will join the group still it would be much more funny, but her personality is much more a observer and a lone wolf type...

chezkimo

03-06-2008, 08:41 PM

lol. Galatea's other senses are hightened, even more so as a claymore so a bear wouldn't be a poblem. A tree or a cliff however, which dosn't move or make a sound WOULD be a problem though. And i'm sure, the gang, having no yoki pressence would play tricks on her all the time.

*helen stretches leg before galatea*
*galatea trips over*
"haha"
2 days later on top of a cliff...
"yeah keep alking that way, keep going, keep going..."
*galatea falls off a cliff*
"there ya go!"

galatea: "have you guys been taking the mickey out of me all this time coz i'm blind?"
Clare: "ofcourse not"
*clare uses windcutter cutting cutting Gal's hair*
*Galatea Screams*

Playmore

03-06-2008, 09:04 PM

Wanna know why Galatea deserted really and why org has a death wish on her?!!

(This will be in the next chapter when she starts talking to our ghosts)

She used to do a lot of jokes... that's why she was sent all the time outside alone on mission.
When she was at the base camp, she used all time her yoki manipulation on all the claymores around her well that was part of her training. Since all of them were leaking yoki like fontains.
She forced claymores to spank other claymores.. or forcing some to kiss the black coats. The only one who appreciate that was Rubel.. the rest found that intolerable... in the end they decided to put an end to all those stupid jokes :D...
well our ghosts are safed from her thx to their yoki suppression :p

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 09:51 PM

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 09:58 PM

??? i am starting to believe that normal isn't a word that can fits you :S

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 10:04 PM

Nuuuu, what are you guys doing?! Any peaceful thoughts I had have been utterly destroyed by you insane people!! :p

I don't even want to think about the spoiler Playmore put in...Claymores kissing Rubel is just, blech >.>

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 10:06 PM

Well my shrink says I'm a sociopath, but what does a severed head know? (Yes I'm joking people.)

Besides, I'm not the one that was talking about Galatea causing claymores to spank each other (which isn't all that bad) and kissing black coats (which is ******* nasty).

NorthernSky

03-06-2008, 10:09 PM

Well, atleast kissing Rubel isn't that horrible. Now Orsay is a whole other matter though, that guy looks like a leper -_-

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 10:12 PM

...But you know, the spanking part almost reminds me of Castle Anthrax from Monty Python and the Holy Grail...if you ever watched that movie :p And Galatea would be...what's her name, Zute? Something XP

Playmore is currently to blame for this random discussion :devil:

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 10:15 PM

Hell even Orsay is alright compared to some of those guys. And you know those bastards have to be perverts to boot, I mean look at the standard claymore uniforms for ***** sake. Ya know it makes you wonder if yoma meat is the only meat that gets "implanted" in some of those girls. :skull:

Playmore

03-06-2008, 10:17 PM

Sorry all...

Hope I didn't shock too much people with that special spoiler on Galatea.. :(

*go hide myself under my blanket*

I guess that's why my name forum is Playmore instead of Claymore :D

SilentBuddhist

03-06-2008, 10:21 PM

That said, they must have a lot of self-control XP I mean think about it, to act normal even when someone like Clare or whoever takes of their clothes so the handlers can look at a wound or something, and they don't do much of anything (then again, Rubel must have shades for a reason >.>).

Or maybe, there's no rule saying they can't kill the handlers or something...so maybe they're afraid of doing something perverted or they'd get killed.

Heh, I can see it now...

Ermita: "Flora, you're hurt. Take off your clothes so I can examine the wound."

*Flora obeys*

Ermita: "Now let's see here..."

*Ermita puts a hand on Flora's boob*

*Flora uses Windcutter, Ermita disappears and all that's left are shreds of cloth*

>.>

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 10:22 PM

And the truth behind why there are no more male claymores has been revealed...

NorthernSky

03-06-2008, 10:26 PM

LOL

But I've always wondered, if it's only a scar the Claymores have. I mean, when teresa showed it, it put off a gang of bandits who wanted to rape her. I doubt only a scar could achieve that (considering her looks otherwise):p

Edit: Typos > Me

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 10:29 PM

LETS get back to a normal conversation: after this what will be their(clare miria and others) next immediate objective?(trying desperately before this conversation goes to a no turning point... )

chezkimo

03-06-2008, 10:31 PM

hmmm. Either that or Teresa created her own technique to scare off her handler that only she can use. After that i'm sure her handler won't ever try to look at anpther claymore naked. *shudder*

Objectives lets see:

Clare's: Short-term
Find Raki
Find Raki
Find Raki
And oh yeah Find Raki

Long-term:
Kill Prissy
Kill Prissy
Kill Prissy
(You get the point)

But seriously, Clare's goals are to find Raki and to kill Priscilla, and who are they both with? Isley ofcourse. Also, many of the others want revenge on Isley for killing thier comrades, including Cynthia for Veronica, Deneve for Undine and the others also have to carry the vengence of those who perished in the northen war.

However, the orginisation is as much to blame for the northern war casualties as Isley and both Miria and Galatea are set ontaking down the Org. So it could go either way. Either way, they still have a long way to go.

PS. Is it me or is there no such thing as an ugly claymore?

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 10:35 PM

hmmm. Either that or Teresa created her own technique to scare off her handler that only she can use. After that i'm sure her handler won't ever try to look at anpther claymore naked. *shudder*Mutant boobs no justu!!! *think nasty breasts from There's Something About Mary*

LETS get back to a normal conversation: after this what will be their(clare miria and others) next immediate objective?
Yeah...before we venture further into a dark realm that should not be tread by the likes of normal men. *cough*

Well Galatea might reveal something to the others that will cause her and the seven to head off or Cid/Gark might reveal that Raki had passed by there sometime ago, and maybe who he passed by with, which would send Clare south in one hell of a hurry. As for the crazy child and mama, they'll probably head back to the den-o-letchers, err, the organization and report the happenings to them.

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 10:54 PM

hmm will the other let them head back to the organization after they have seen so much?

lsumd2011

03-06-2008, 11:36 PM

Odds are yes. During the northern incident, they let Clarice go previously despite knowing that their existence would be revealed, and they saved those other claymores from Riful despite knowing that they would be reported, so I don't see why the Rabona incident should change anything as the organization knows of their existence anyway.

I mean the only claymore that can apparently track them is Blood Eyes and the only claymores that are powerful enough to defeat the seven would probably be the emo twins. I really doubt the organization would want go out of their way and send their two biggest trump cards just to eradicate the seven. Plus if Galatea joins the group, the seven will be able to know if danger is coming from more than a long ways off and plan accordingly, so I think the organization wouldn't want to risk losing Blood Eyes or Alicia and Beth to a group that may or may not be an enemy. So just as long as the seven don't directly oppose the organization, I doubt the organization will care what they do.

jumpydady

03-06-2008, 11:54 PM

yes they wont start in a rampage after them, but the organization have masterminds that knows well their intentions, so i believe that they will do something but probably more subtle maybe sinister even...

wany1981

03-07-2008, 02:56 AM

Maybe they will do a small team split in the next few chapter. Like galatea clare in 1 group, miria lead the other group so they can cover more ground and get more things done.

Right now the team have so many objective.
1. kill awaken beingings and abysall ones.
2. take their revenege on the organization.
3. Find the Raki boy
4. Save/rescue the new generation claymores and try to make ally with more of them
5. stop riful from finding a new yoki minipulation type
6. Find the location of the missing strong claymore and try to make ally with them (irene, Rafaeala)
7. whatever new objective that galatea can give the team
8. have fun and have a life.

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 04:14 AM

Chibitea

03-07-2008, 05:44 AM

I honestly doubt after all that happened and what they've seen that Miata and Clarice will just go and tell happily everything that happened to the org for a few reasons .....

Clarice was introduced as one of the first (if not the first i can't remember right now) of the claymores from the new generation so she's been around for a while and it's the only claymore from the new gen that has seen the 7 more than once ....it must be for a reason if the mangaka still keeps her around and even more if he gives her a pretty good life insurance (miata lol) so i think it's about time she does something more than following the Org's orders without questioning what's really going on behind the whole thing ...and i bet that on the next chapter when she hears what gal and the seven have to say (probably make reference to the whole north war complot and in general how the whole Org are a bunch of idiots lol) i think that'll be enough to make her want to get away from the org ..

Now about the teams ... i've been putting it this way ...

The 7 are like a "closed team" i mean they 're the only survivors from the north , the only ones that carry the resolve from all the fallen warriors an the only ones that learned all those crazy techniques trough the 7 years ...so anyone that joins that group would automatically be out of place mainly cause didn't live all those experiences , learned those techniques and in general can't have the exact same goal (the whole "fallen warriors resolve" thing) So i would leave Gal out of that team at least for now .......

And miata an Clarice CAN't join that group either cause they release yoki (at least Clarice does) so it would be pretty inconvenient for the 7 to be with a GPS tracking system everywhere they go .... that and all the reasons i mentioned before

But what about a Gal / Miata / Clarice team ? if Clarice uses her brain for a change and decides to run from the Org i bet the seven will suggest Gal to the the leader of that team , Gal would be a perfect leader in a small team and she would have to command just Clarice cause miata will do whatever her mamma tells her to anyway.. in fact Gal already has gave her the "brunette" commands lol .."catch this" ," ...go there" ....get the hell outta here lol" and i think it would work out just fine ........:thumbup: what do you think ?

P.s: about miata cutting galatea's arm ..... well a little sorry letter from miata will do ..:lol:

about the be happy and have a life thing.... well ..........................i think that will be harder than taking down the org and killing prisci lol...... unless they are smart and while taking the Org down they take all their money while they're at it :cookies: then go and buy the best mansion with yoma servants Claymoreland can offer.... :eban: well that and get boyfriends (wait this isn't a shojo) well do something else to prevent them from emoness again lol

wow that was a longgggg post *goes to rest fingers* lol

chezkimo

03-07-2008, 11:18 AM

I'm not sure actually if Galatea would without a doubt be out of place to the group. In terms of skill she can supress yoki profeciently and her yoki sensing is very wide spread. Also, it's not like she didn't feel anything for the fallen warriors. Remember, she went straight to the black coats and laid it out on the table how disgusting they are and how ruthless it was of them to send the 24, even though she was in a comfy position of #3 and could of been killed because of what she said. She even abondened the org. because of the situation in Pieta, as well as the side fact that she knew too much about Alicia now and because they were going to make a new eye. Though i doubt they can create an eye like Galatea "God Eye".

And by the way, i thought Agatha ripped off Galatea's arm. Miata's attacks wre too frontal.

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 05:40 PM

Well it was never shown so we don't know who did what to whom. As for the new "eye", I doubt she even comes close to Galatea's ability, I mean she isn't even in the top five. The organization probably just wanted a replacement because Galatea was becoming more and more insubordinate.

Playmore

03-07-2008, 07:10 PM

Having a low ranked Eye is much better.. since all she does is spying most of time.
So the top spot can be fill with active strong fighter that can be send to battelfield.
Also weaker means easier to kill next time if ever a problem had to come by again with the eye.
Hunting high lvl claymores is not an easy task...
Hunting claymores with yoki suppression is even more difficult.
I guess the new eye has no yoki suppression but a very very high range of yoki detection.

chezkimo

03-07-2008, 08:24 PM

It's true that having a lower ranked eye is better as really the only people in Galatea's generation who could hunt her down was Alicia and Beth as Raphaela was on a covert mission with the north.

But dosn't it also mean that her yoki detection abilities won't be as good as such a highly ranked warrior as galatea. As Galatea didn't just have wide range detection abilities but she could even the changes in yoki in those who she detected from miles away. Like when she could tell the emotions of Miria and clare and helen and deneve even though she was miles away.

But i guess with the new eye and Miata they've comfortable replaced Galatea and Raphaela.
That is eye duties and covert operations with the utmost supression of yoki.

jumpydady

03-07-2008, 09:06 PM

oh and by the way what will be Isley's immediate plans?

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 10:00 PM

Training Raki and plowing Priscilla.

jumpydady

03-07-2008, 10:18 PM

now thats what confuses why does he trains raki? a whimp?

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 10:25 PM

Raki requested it after he saw Isley's swordsmanship and Isely consented, as to "why?", I don't have a clue.

jumpydady

03-07-2008, 10:49 PM

in the anime they say it's because priscela wished that raki's wish full filed but here there must be another reason...

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 11:16 PM

Whatever reason there is, if any, it is unknown as of now. Some people think that Isley is planning on using Raki for his own ends, basically as a pawn is some unknown scheme of his, others think that he is basically just humoring Priscilla by playing nice with her new "friend". I fall into the latter of the two camps, as I don't think Isley has any grand plan. He went south b/c Priscilla wanted him to, and is training Raki b/c Raki asked him.

Playmore

03-07-2008, 11:35 PM

Well apparently Isley didn't do a thing during those 7 years except going to beach and making sand castle with little Pris and Raki.
Anything exceptional would already been told to our ghosts.
Isley is just enjoying the sunny days.

lsumd2011

03-07-2008, 11:41 PM

And Raki's down home southern cooking. And hot AbO sex with Priscilla. ...yeah, I went there.

jumpydady

03-08-2008, 12:00 AM

at least raki now knows how manage a sword instead of just crying and others things...still is no good since its useless against a yoma with a power of his...

lsumd2011

03-08-2008, 12:04 AM

Against a standard yoma Raki might be able to stand a chance if Isley trained him well enough. Against AB and the like, he'd still be dead before he blinked though. The only way Raki would ever be able to contribute to the combat effectiveness of the group would be for him to become a claymore, which is a possibility, though a slim one.

Playmore

03-08-2008, 12:38 AM

a low grade Yoma is not just a normal beast... it has strength of a bear, speed of a jaguar, extended limbs, can take appearance of human,...

A normal human cannot be on par with a Yoma, it surely need a whole squad of highly trained soldiers for 1.

Low grade Yoma don't dare to go in Rabona for ex.. they prefer attacking small villages or hide in forest. Big city means plenty of food.. but we only saw in Rabona an old experienced yoma voracious eater type and Agatha.

jumpydady

03-08-2008, 02:38 AM

hum i wonder if a crossbow would have a strength to penetrate a voracious eater skin, i mean even a soldier could cut throw him then a well pointed shoot on his head means dead i guess...

bluecookie

03-08-2008, 04:31 AM

....

no pigpie ,it left us a lot of questions ,like would galatea join the 7 swords ?Would Miata and Clarice kill Galatea ?

chezkimo

03-08-2008, 06:42 PM

It's not like it's impossible for a human to kill a yoma. Remember priscilla killed one when she was a child. Although she is some what of a special case. Remember Gark and Sid didn't die and helped out quite abit when fighting that experienced yoma.

@Playmore- He wasn't a varocious eater, as varocious eaters are the other names for awakened beings, clare just got it wrong.

Also, Yoma were around alooong time before claymores. I'm sure the humans had ways of defending themselves, although small towns would have much difficulty, large cities like Rabona would be ok. After all, the soldiers they have in Rabona are able to fight normal yoma.

the reason why Yoma don't go in Rabona is because there are too many soldiers and more than enough of those soldiers can take a yoma. Also, security is as tight as hell. Yoma take on a person's flesh for the sole reason of not being found out. Any screams or mysterious noise would be checked on by the gaurds.

Dantrag

03-08-2008, 07:18 PM

Clare assumed it might have been a voracious eater aka AB because it attacked and killed alot more frequently than a normal Yoma would. In the end it was revealed that the yoma needed to kill more because transforming into a form that resembled a mummyfied corpse simply took alot more energy.

jumpydady

03-08-2008, 09:25 PM

ya you are wright :P just slipped it a bit... hmmm that makes me think what happens if yomas happens to appear in our world, will they be able to survive here?

lsumd2011

03-08-2008, 11:02 PM

We have guns, 'nuff said.

SilentBuddhist

03-08-2008, 11:06 PM

And tanks. And WMDs. That alone could kill an Abyssal, lol.

Oh and we have otakus out there wishing they were heroes, this would be their chance to shine if yoma did exist XD

wany1981

03-08-2008, 11:12 PM

anyways.. this thread is 20 pages already.. someone make a new one

SilentBuddhist

03-08-2008, 11:14 PM

Nah, that won't be necessary. This thread'll stay open until the next chapter comes by, then I'll close this one.

jumpydady

03-08-2008, 11:26 PM

:P the only problem is that we need a device that can distinguish human from yoma, but even that it wont take long, something that detects thermal anomaly i think...

lsumd2011

03-08-2008, 11:31 PM

And tanks. And WMDs. That alone could kill an Abyssal, lol.

Oh and we have otakus out there wishing they were heroes, this would be their chance to shine if yoma did exist XD

You have to admit that it would be kinda anti-climatic fights with yoma and AB. Though the though of Irene whipping out a 12-gauge and blowing Priscilla's head off right after she awoke is quite funny. And seeing the 7 in MIB uniforms in also quite cool too.

:P the only problem is that we need a device that can distinguish human from yoma, but even that it wont take long, something that detects thermal anomaly i think...

Yep, thermal optics and desert eagles will solve all of your yoma issues.

jumpydady

03-08-2008, 11:33 PM

LOL, then probably in then organization, there will be a lot of reinforced doors with biohazards symbols :P

lsumd2011

03-08-2008, 11:40 PM

Ya know, just thinking about that keeps making my mind wonder to the two hitmen from Pulp Fiction, don't have a clue why though.

kr4us

03-09-2008, 09:41 AM

Can't wait for the next, I wonder if Tabitha would get Galatea's yoki manipulation technique?

Noelle

03-09-2008, 11:17 AM

Ha, I'm wondering why there are two equally good Yoki sensors running around, both still alive. Irene passed onto Clare her Quicksword, and died. Same goes for Flora, Jean and the rest, though they didn't willingly pass on their techniques.

Well, if Tabitha does get Galatea's Yoki manipulation technique, I suppose we'll then see Galatea's death in the coming chapters. Nonetheless... there's one thing that stops her getting killed, or rather, the way I see it... Galatea knows the mechanics of Soul Link, along with Raphaela. If Raphaela doesn't spill the beans to Clare then it would be Galatea spilling it.

That's my own fantasy though... since if Galatea dies after telling Clare the mechanics at the very least, it'll make her death easier to accept... >.>"

chezkimo

03-09-2008, 12:24 PM

Galatea won't die just after giving information to clare. (i'm sure the galatea dosn't die fans will agree) Unless she goes on a suicide mission, and even then she'd dop it for a very good reason. I wander if she met up with alicia and Beth she could distort or interupt thier soul link with her yoki manipulation. Perhaps that's why Riful wants a yoki manipulator.

And about Tabitha, I believe that Tabitha's yoki reading is more wide range where as Galatea's is more specific. Clare's good at yoki reading too, but it dosn't mean that we should just chuck Tabitha away because thier's another good yoki reader now. Or galatea for that matter.

jumpydady

03-09-2008, 01:00 PM

hmmmmm something tells me that our ex number 5 rafaela killed her own sister and then let herself awaken or killed herself and her sister at the same time, what a pity rafaela was a good yoki reader too...

NorthernSky

03-09-2008, 01:16 PM

That she killed herself is probable. But that she awakens herself? I find that pretty unlikely.

Playmore

03-09-2008, 01:39 PM

for all we know, raphaela is missing in action. no trace of her.. she maybe just returned to her old cave.

I don't think even if she was alive that we will see her again in the next chapter.
Her last objective was too eliminate her sis and that was the only reason she rejoined.
She probably doesn't care about the rest... world could end.. she won't move a finger.

jumpydady

03-09-2008, 02:00 PM

she may probably appear again but perhaps as a wondering character, something without objective anymore, or she may fell angry due her incapability and envy of Alicia and beth or perhaps sadness from those two, and trying to do something...

Drunkenvalley

03-09-2008, 02:23 PM

Raphaela.. Is she the one-eyed who was part of the last experiment they were doing on siblings? It's been a while.

Playmore

03-09-2008, 04:06 PM

yep she's the sister of Luciela.. she was the one who was supposed to keep the spirit link with her sister while she was in an abyssal one form.
She disappeared little bit after the North campaign so around 7 years.
She was (is still?) the oldest claymore around alive.

Drunkenvalley

03-09-2008, 04:21 PM

Aah. The "secret agent" of the organization, basically?
Yes, I seem to recall her taking out her sister while she was weakened from the fight with Isley & all.

*now curious..*

Anyway, I wonder how Clare will do.. :3

lsumd2011

03-09-2008, 08:44 PM

pigpie

03-10-2008, 06:18 AM

Come to think of it, just how old is Raph? I mean she was full grown when the accident occurred, so that would put her around 20 then. Add to that she was around when Teressa was a kid and that was at least 20-30 years before the current time, and we don't even how much time passed before she met Teressa. I mean she could be anywhere from mid/late 40s to closing in on the hundreds. And for that matter, just how the hell old is Isley?

But anyway, me think now that her objective is complete, and if she ain't dead, she went back into hiding. Truth be told she probably hated the organization as much as anything, and just rejoined to get the chance to kill her sister.

Raphy if I estimate correctly should be around 35...now.Lets say during the soul linked mayhem she is around 20 y/o and since after that accident it has already been 2 generations long and 1 generation is usually 7 years apart.So during her arc she is 20,after Teresa arc around 27,next is Clares' arc so she is 34 and so she should be around 35...give or take.

Raphy I think hates the Org,they are partly responsible for what happened to her sis.

Chibitea

03-10-2008, 06:38 AM

I don't know but for some reason i think that if raphalea is still alive so is irene ....i really dont think they fought ...and even if they did don't think one would or COULD kill the other , maybe they started talking about everything the org did to them and decided to hide until they could take action against the org (in which case is posible that they show up in some chapters as the "rebellion arc" progresses) or simply stay hidden where they are:confused: .......that's of course if they aren't dead or didnt ended up killing eachoter .. :lol:

About Gal dying ......NO WAYY lol ....well at least for now ....i think she'll be useful in at least the next 5 chapters to come, so no sense in killing her .....unless she decides to "pull an Irene" and go somewhere to live alone in that case she's deaddd ...

About the next chapter ...i think it'll revolve around The 7 and Gal chit chat (obviously) .... and if Yagi sama wants to cover more on the next chapter ... it'll probably be also about clarice and her decision on.. Going back to the org/rebelling against the org and i think this decision will directly affect the team organization ....

If Clarice goes back to the Org ( to protect Miata , 'cause she's an idiot ..., cause she's afraid,*Insert other reason here* ) then the only one left is Gal an then they'll probably become the 8 ....or the 7 an the nun lol ...

But if Clarice and Miata (pretty much Clarice's decision) want to join them then its obvioussss that Sor latea will be the leader on the miata /clarice Gal team for the reasons i explained on my previous post ....

Another possibility (i hope this doesn't happen :( ) it's that by being a nun and all that she'll won't want to be any kinda warrior anymore and will simply go "Raphaela Mode" which in my opinion WILL get her killed cause now they are sure that she's alive and they'll probably send more people after her ......:(

that's why i hope she joins the 7 or becomes the leader of the Clarice / miata team ...and of course regenerates that arm ..and her eyes maybe :confused: (didnt have the scar on her eyes on the last page from the last chapter:eban:)

so what do u think is gonna happen ?

BTW :postcount: << Funniest smilie ever ... :lol:

lsumd2011

03-10-2008, 07:52 AM

Raphy if I estimate correctly should be around 35...now.Lets say during the soul linked mayhem she is around 20 y/o and since after that accident it has already been 2 generations long and 1 generation is usually 7 years apart.So during her arc she is 20,after Teresa arc around 27,next is Clares' arc so she is 34 and so she should be around 35...give or take.

Raphy I think hates the Org,they are partly responsible for what happened to her sis.

I think that is a bit of an underestimation. I mean to start things off, Raph looked to be about early 20s during the accident, that much we both agree on. However we do not know which generation Raph was apart of during that time. When Galatea spoke of Luc's awakening, she made it sound like something that occurred many, many years ago, not that something that occurred just 14 years ago. But even if that was the case, in the flashback when Raph met Teressa she didn't appear any older than Raki. This would put Teressa around 10-12. During Clare's flashback Teressa was easily in her 20's, so that would be at least 10 or so years. If you add to that that we are talking about freaking Teressa of the Faint Smile here, I doubt that she only served as #1 for only a handful of years. Remember, Irene said that Claymores do mature, but they do not age. That could mean Teressa could have been #1 for quite a few years and wouldn't have looked a day past 20 or so. Then when you add to that that Clare was about Raki's age when Teressa died and that was at least advance the time table at least 10 or so more years. Finally there is of course the seven year skip to the present time.

Added all together, that would put Raph at about 47 easy. And if Raph was not part of the generation directly preceding Teressa then it puts her even older.

chezkimo

03-10-2008, 04:37 PM

I definatly don't think that Raphaela is only 35! Firstly, we don't know how old she was when Luciela awakened because, like Alicia and Beth her and her sister must have trained for years upon years. I'd say she was approx. 20 though. Then when we first saw teresa, i'm guessing Teresa was bout 15 (no way was she 10! That adds on another 15 years. Then by the time they recruited her for #5 Alicia and Beth were already past the creation process and in the training process, which adds another about 14 or 15 years.

Meaning she should be approxiamtly 50 years old. Man she looks good for 50 :).

And Isley could possibly be almost 200 years old. But he's probably about 150.

Im wander how old Gaaltea is. They said that she's too old and therefor needs to be discarded. I'd say around 30...? She might be the oldest of her generation, except Raphaela ofcourse.

SilentBuddhist

03-10-2008, 07:25 PM

Moved the talk to the Black Coat's thread...

lsumd2011

03-10-2008, 07:33 PM

Erm, shouldn't this be taken to the Black Coats' thread?

Err well it was kinda related to the topic on hand, sorta... Mind you I don't think we've been discussing anything related to chapter 78 for about 5 or so pages now... Err just do whatever SB, I'll just confuse myself if I try to explain how the heck this discussion got here.

SilentBuddhist

03-10-2008, 07:35 PM

Bah, I haven't been checking lately, been busy with another Claymore RP...

Well if you want you can make a thread for Raphaela. I haven't got around to it myself when the new subforums were made, but apparently there's still a lot to discuss :p

Drunkenvalley

03-11-2008, 12:13 AM

@SilentBuddhist: What Claymore RP? >:3 *curious*

Anyway, onto the subject.. Wait, what is the subject now? >_> Raphaela's age?
...I'd say she is well over her 30s. Reasons why and why not has been listed three times already, I'm sure.

lsumd2011

03-11-2008, 12:15 AM

The subject? The subject was supposed to be something involving chapter 78, but I think we went off the main trail some ten pages back and never found it again.

jumpydady

03-11-2008, 02:19 AM

hm why does some of those from the organization such as Orsay, Rado or Rimuto looks so much like a half awaken being?

lsumd2011

03-11-2008, 02:23 AM

That discussion got moved to the black coats thread, go see there for further answers.

jumpydady

03-11-2008, 02:58 AM

ups sorry didn't know that :P thought that i didn't post it right :P...

Chibitea

03-13-2008, 10:06 PM

Finally going back on topic ... :thumbup: well this is my opinion about what might happen ...=I don't know but for some reason i think that if raphalea is still alive so is irene ....i really dont think they fought ...and even if they did don't think one would or COULD kill the other , maybe they started talking about everything the org did to them and decided to hide until they could take action against the org (in which case is posible that they show up in some chapters as the "rebellion arc" progresses) or simply stay hidden where they are:confused: .......that's of course if they aren't dead or didnt ended up killing eachoter .. :lol:

About Gal dying ......NO WAYY lol ....well at least for now ....i think she'll be useful in at least the next 5 chapters to come, so no sense in killing her .....unless she decides to "pull an Irene" and go somewhere to live alone in that case she's deaddd ...

About the next chapter ...i think it'll revolve around The 7 and Gal chit chat (obviously) .... and if Yagi sama wants to cover more on the next chapter ... it'll probably be also about clarice and her decision on.. Going back to the org/rebelling against the org and i think this decision will directly affect the team organization ....

If Clarice goes back to the Org ( to protect Miata , 'cause she's an idiot ..., cause she's afraid,*Insert other reason here* ) then the only one left is Gal an then they'll probably become the 8 ....or the 7 an the nun lol ...

But if Clarice and Miata (pretty much Clarice's decision) want to join them then its obvioussss that Sor latea will be the leader on the miata /clarice Gal team for the reasons i explained on my previous post ....

Another possibility (i hope this doesn't happen :( ) it's that by being a nun and all that she'll won't want to be any kinda warrior anymore and will simply go "Raphaela Mode" which in my opinion WILL get her killed cause now they are sure that she's alive and they'll probably send more people after her ......:(

that's why i hope she joins the 7 or becomes the leader of the Clarice / miata team ...and of course regenerates that arm ..and her eyes maybe :confused: (didnt have the scar on her eyes on the last page from the last chapter:eban:)

so what do u think is gonna happen ?

BTW :postcount: << Funniest smilie ever ... :lol:

BTW ... TERESA VS ELRIC's POLL STARTED TODAY ...SO GO VOTE (Teresa's losing by far right now :( ) U CAN VOTE UNTIL MARCH 20 so go vote :thumbup:

lsumd2011

03-13-2008, 10:14 PM

BTW ... TERESA VS ELRIC's POLL STARTED TODAY ...SO GO VOTE (Teresa's losing by far right now :( ) U CAN VOTE UNTIL MARCH 20 so go vote :thumbup:

*begins creating hundreds of multiple accounts*

Chibitea

03-14-2008, 04:43 AM

:lol: NOOOOO

..if u cheat the administrator WILL find out and take the votes away and u will probably get banned too so ..i think a better idea it's to just let know all the claymore fans you know to vote for their favorite number one ever lol :thumbup:

Btw she's losing by a big diference right now but it's ok ... it was the same way with Kisuke and look who came out as the winner :eban:

Anyway just a little remider to everyone that u have until march 20 to vote ..so if u haven't GO VOTE (for teresa of course:lol:)

Hawkely

03-14-2008, 08:18 AM

Vote people Vote!

EightySix

03-14-2008, 12:14 PM

lol chapter discussion turning into voting advert but i still support teresa!!! duno how they actually think ed is better...o well its more a popularity contest than thinking about the power difference

Lucha

03-14-2008, 01:05 PM

Based from the previous result, Teresa still have chance to win. 519 vote vs 484 vote.
Reminder : VOTE for TERESA people...

Back to topic, I believe Rapahela still alive, but doubt about Irene. I mean, u don't hire assasin, told him to kill a certain person, and let him be without asking for proof that certain someone are dead right? The org too would confirm Irene's execution either with head or dead body. And u can't forge a fake head surely...

Galatea will not die in the next chapter. She looks fine when she talk to Clare just before Clare cuts Agasa to pieces (except for missing a arm). Definitely not. I believe there'll be a lot of conversation between Clare, Miria and Galatea next chapter. And if Rabona still can't accept silver eyed witch after they save the city twice, Gal have to go. Perhaps with the 7.

About Clarice, I really have nothing to say. Still couldn't make up my mind about what will she do next. But I'm worried about Miata(seems like no body worried bout her). Especially about her hands. She looks like a offensive type, and surely before, she just lose her hands, both of them. As we know, offensive type warrior even they could regenerate, it's only as strong as normal human hands. What would happen to her next I wonder... If the theory works on her, the org surely will strip her from number 4...

So what do you think?

EightySix

03-14-2008, 01:19 PM

meh i think miata is easily swayed by clarice so if clarice joins the 7 they'd gain miata who is so powerful for her age..i just hate how clarice is so annoyingly weak.

i dont think rafeala is still alive. its likely she sacrificed herself to destroy her sister. as for irene i think shes also dead coz if im not wrong the black guy was with rafeala when they met irene..i could be wrong but im dragging this up from memory so he could confirm her death.

galatea will never dieee!! shes awesome plus who the heck is gonna kill her? miata? those 7 would rather kill miata than lose galatea ..shes an ally unlike that lil kid.

raenef

03-14-2008, 02:30 PM

I dont think Galatea will die and I cant see why she cant stay in Rabona. Sid and Galk will support her for trying to help and save the city. Plus they would be so pissed off with Clarice and Miata for not helping and ignoring so many soldiers dying. If the org send anymore claymores Galatea will know and Sid and Galk could head them off and throw them out of town. Plus youve got your own little yoma detector.
Clarice is such a coward I think she'll go into hiding with Miata-plus with her hair it would help.
I think Raefela is still alive but she killed Irene. Clare felt something at the time, also Raefela wouldn't have gone against the org until she got what she wanted.However it would be really cool if she turns up now and joins the 7.

Chibitea

03-14-2008, 06:28 PM

Well you never know with Claymore ...i mean one of the things that makes Claymore insteresting is the Surprise Factor it has... we all know that "galatea is not dying at least on the next chapter" but then again something could happen out of nowhere and galatea dies (which would suck IMO :( lol) The point it's that u never know with Yagi-Sama so we can't be certain of what will happen until we get at least a preview from the chapter or something like that... But anyway ....

Back to random Claymore Theories :thumbup: (inside the spoiler)

IMO ..

Galatea won't stay in Rabona :...... Ok . let's say that the whole city goes against the rules an the fear they have for Claymores and let her stay ..I don't think Gal will stay mainly cause it would go against her new "Protect Rabona no matter what" motto ...she knows she is gonna get chased after what happened so i don't she should stay there and wait cause in that case she's dead : (

And the team will be decided after Clarice's decision to stay with them or go back to the org ..

IF Clarice goes back to the Org ..

1 - Galatea could join the 7 = They become "the 7 and the nun" (don't like how "the 8" sounds :D)

2 - Galatea goes alone to hide somewhere = GAL is deadddd :(

If Clarice decides to join them ...

1- Don't think she can join the 7's team ...pretty much because the whole yoki thing ... Clarice = The brunette / GPS Tracking system ... On the other hand it makes sense to me that Clarice / miata and Gal would team up .... So what do u think ?

Btw ...Teresa's Catching up... :thumbup: Go teresa ! :eban:

ghassassin

03-14-2008, 06:39 PM

No series has a plot pre-determined. Every chapter of every series is a new one and Claymore is nothing special in that context.

Anyway, there is no point in showing Galatea's death. Even if she lives she wouldn't have any role in the story, whatsoever. Her life of a nurse (or whatever) suits her better and she likes that herself. Maybe she can prove useful in some later stages of the series with some sort of cameo appearance? Besides, things now as they are, depend on Miata and Clarice. That, whether they'll carry on with their original mission or some cheesy ending to this as well.

shonenshojo

03-14-2008, 07:05 PM

Galatea staying a nun is unlikely. She has already blown her cover, and it's unlikely people will welcome her back, unless she does something heroic that people will start looking up to her for. The theory that she does die could very well happen, though some people suggest that she's going to tell the 7 Claymores from up north how the organization has faired while they were gone.
Clarice and Miata may retreat for now, judging by how many injuries Miata already has. Though they might seek shelter in the city as well. If they do decide to runaway then they have an excuse for returning empty handed. Sooner or later the organization will find out about the seven Claymores.
We know nothing yet, and we'll have to wait until the next chapter to prove anything.

ghassassin

03-14-2008, 07:22 PM

EmoEmu

03-14-2008, 07:39 PM

i wonder what the org would do when they find out about the 7. would sending alicia and beth be wishful thinking? audrey and rachel seem like crap, and we know their techs already. mm new developments? i can only hope...

if galatea does join i hope they find rafaela too. itll be like, gathering rare collectables.

wany1981

03-14-2008, 07:48 PM

WOW... -70 FOR Teresa.... guys stop cheating...

samurai89

03-14-2008, 07:48 PM

I doubt the Organization can be easily fooled but i may be wrong and Clarice and Miata assuming they are able to go free from the seven may live

shonenshojo

03-14-2008, 07:50 PM

Playmore

03-14-2008, 08:31 PM

-70! What?! :eek: People actually did that?

apparently yep. I hope they will get an IP ban lol..
seriously people wasting their time creating 10 accounts or more for a stupid poll lol

Anyway back to claymore.

All we have to fear right now is the current number 1-10. Who knows the new generation may be stronger than the older one. The 7 will probably stay in the shadows after this, so if the Org does decide to dispatch Claymores then it will be hard locating them. Or the news of the 7 spread quickly everyone knows about it and the 7 can't be bothered to hide.

Our ghosts have been in contact with single number 3 - 4 - 5 and an other in pieta forgot the number and about 6 claymore with double digit.
They pretty much look down on them, they are not even amazed by galatea.
The only creature that made our 7 ghosts sweat a bit is Riful.
Alice and Beth will never be sent too far for a mission I guess since it is more like the last line of defense for the org.
The Org actually still looks pretty weak.

Evilminion18

03-14-2008, 08:54 PM

I thought Alicia and Beth had already gone crazy and left the organization after the Pieta mission. To support that Agasa was the former number 2, which means Alicia and Beth who had that position earlier on must have left. So I don't think they would be an option.
All we have to fear right now is the current number 1-10. Who knows the new generation may be stronger than the older one. The 7 will probably stay in the shadows after this, so if the Org does decide to dispatch Claymores then it will be hard locating them. Or the news of the 7 spread quickly everyone knows about it and the 7 can't be bothered to hide.

-70! What?! :eek: People actually did that?

Alica and Beth are still with the organation I think there like a last line of defense , it never said anything about them awakening, and Agasa could be the number 2 from a previous generation, I mean has the number 2 of Riful's generation ever been shown?

Rubel seems like he already suspects that the 7 are around,but he seems to be the only Blackcoat that doesn't have his head up his ***.

Playmore

03-14-2008, 09:20 PM

Well Rubel has always been the one who care a bit more for his little playmores ^^

jerros

03-14-2008, 09:35 PM

If Clarice and Miata leaves Galatea alive, won't that make them as traitors? Or can they lie without letting the organization find out, forever? If not, then will they go as far as antagonizing the organization?

Heh. Maybe the majority of organization's b**ches will end up like this. That way they can soon make one of their own, comprising of all those who were beaten by some corny emotions.

The organization tends to use some strategy when sending out claymores. By sending Clarice and Miata to kill Gal, they either wanted Gal dead, or they wanted Gal to kill Clarice & Miata.

If they wanted Clarice & Miata dead then if they don't come back with Gal's head they are going to be in trouble, potentially labled traitors, or just sent off to an area where they are certian to encounter death.

If they wanted Gal dead, the organization certianly didn't plan for an Awakened One, and an additional 7 claymores with unknown abilities to pop out of a corner and ruin that plan. In this case their failure to kill Gal wouldn't exactly be a complete failure. They will have gained some valuable information for the organization, killed an awakened one, and made it back alive.

As for what Gal's going to do.... She pretty much needs to go with the 7 other claymores. She's been exposed as a Claymore, the organization is able to track her, and they've put a contract out on her life.