CM: [CHARACTER]: Clare

[SilentBuddhist]

You knew it was coming...:lol:

Anyways, talk about Clare here. She's slowly learning several abilities as the story progresses, first it was Teresa's ability to read yoki flow and predict an enemy's movement, then she learned Irene's Flash Sword, and finally Flora's Windcutter. She doesn't use Flash Sword anymore because of the huge amount of yoki needed for it, but she does still use Windcutter and Teresa's senses.

Also, her goal to kill Priscilla. At this point it's unlikely she can kill Priscilla, but later on in the story, suppose she did succeed. Clare has been living for mostly revenge. If she does get her revenge and kill Priscilla, what will she live for then? Raki? After 7 years he could have changed for the worst. What is there for her that will give her a reason to live?

Well, discuss anything and everything about Clare here.

[wany1981]

Since ophelia's ripplying sword doesn't need release yoki to use i wouldn't be surprised Clare knows how to do it now also. Like any other regular main character she is leveling up nicely.

Also imaging how power it would be if clare use Wind Cutter with flash sword together when she no longer need to hide her yoki. (go sonic boom)

[Phantasm]

Good point @ Wany. Besides its snake-like element, I don't see why she would want to learn the technique though. It's obviously less of a threat than Flash Sword (lets flashback to Ophelia's encounter with Irene) and now she's using Windcutter which owns a bit more advantage than Flash.

She should live for her hair. And grow it out. Do you think Yagi-sama intentionally had her hair, when longer, look exactly like Alicia + Beth's? So that she looks identical to them? Or did, rather.

[Scorpio-Girl]

They all look identical more-or-less, the hair differentiates them.. So Clare stands out.

She will have to kill Priscilla somehow but I sense a self-sacrifice to protect Raki. I don't think Clare will have enough reason to live on after her revenge is through..

[fullmetaljacket]

except maybe for Raki

[Scorpio-Girl]

Yeah.. but can you imagine them having a whirlwind romance or even as an old couple.. Somethings are better left to 'Maybe and What if..' It just doesn't suit the mood of the manga..

They may like or even love each other but I don't see it living through, maybe its just me..

[SilentBuddhist]

except maybe for Raki

Hmm, but Dantrag did bring up in Raki's thread that for whatever reason she may accidentally kill Raki, and granted the tone of Claymore I say it's a possibility as well. He may try and stop Clare from killing Priscilla as she's about to kill her, and Raki gets between them and suffers the killing blow instead. And even if she did kill Pris, what then?

[Useless]

Clare will kill Raki and Pris. Not for revenge for Teresa though.
Raki and Pris will develop a romantic relationship and Clare will witness their obscene intimacies....then she'll go berserk and kill them both. Then, like with all my Claymore theories, Teresa will come back to life and save the day. By killing Clare. Then Miria, Teresa and Galatea will murder Alicia, the abyssal ones, and the organization.
Poor Clare. Happy Useless.

[Phantasm]

Agreed D: A romantic air definitely does not suit the series. If the manga ends up ending with a "happy ending" with Raki and Clare walking off in the distance, hand-in-hand, I will quicker jump off a cliff /: Well, maybe just gag. Then do something drastic.

I bet Clare will be able to awaken like Alicia, with Teresa('s spirit) as her soul link to pull her back. If not Galatea (since she's currently still alive and predicted to join the 7.)

[Phantasm]

Haha. I like the theory but Clare, even though she's not as pretty as those other three, should stay.

Teresa better come back.

[naiveCRIMSON]

The only 'main' I've ever favored that wasn't exactly male.
And, contrary to most 'mains', she isn't exactly very strong to the point of insanity or something.

Prefering Teresa, though. =D

[pigpie]

everyone loves Teresa.

It will be quite dumb if as Clare was learning rippling sword,she dislocated her arm.I mean the Extra Chapter showed Clare popping her arm when she held the Claymore for the 1st time.

The writer is like passing the old skills of dead Claymore to current living ones....Clare got the most,Teresa.Irene and Flore.
Helen got Jeans drill sword and Deneve got Undine's double sowrd style,I wouldn't be surprised if Yuma or Cynthia got Rippling Sword...even out the abilities.I mean even Tabitha got Galateas ability...somehow.

[samurai89]

Yep i agree. I can handle some romance on mediocre level but it does not suit the manga. For Teresa being brought back to life i highly doubt thats going to happen.

[fullmetaljacket]

I don't want to see Thereasa alive again. her death saddens me but in the world of claymores it just... fits if she came back her life (and "death") would be cheapened

Plus her head flew like 20 feet

[naiveCRIMSON]

Magically reattached.
You'd be surprised what the world of fantasy, coupled with insane manga authors can do. xD

But yeah.
It would look weird if she had dislocated her arm while learning the Rippling Sword. Who knows? Maybe one day, when she's fighting this uber difficult enemy, the author decides to put in a twist and dislocate her arm again. o-o

[Altheia]

And of course, Clare would just nonchantly reattach her arm again and go chopping away at more yoma...Yes, that's claymore for you.

[ghassassin]

I wonder if Ophelia dies one day and Clare takes her rippling sword ability in her left hand. Imagine an ambidextrous Clare with quick sword in one and rippling sword in her another arm.

[pigpie]

I wonder if Ophelia dies one day and Clare takes her rippling sword ability in her left hand. Imagine an ambidextrous Clare with quick sword in one and rippling sword in her another arm.

Her arms will most likely break.One side rippling while the other quicksword.....during rippling since the quicksword will form a 360 barrier it will interfere with the rippling sword arm and break it.

[SaroVati]

Not necessarily. Remember that Clare can guide her Flash Sword now and if she can use it and not hit a person, I'm pretty sure she can use it to not hit her arm. Now all she needs to learn is to have her left arm not cut the right one off :) lol.

[Chibitea]

i think Clare shouldn't get more "power ups" for a while .....
she already had teresa's ability to begin with ...then Irene with made a lot of people go "She just stole the ability from another claymore by attaching the arm duh" but in my opinion it's not like that cause she actually learned the technique by herself practising with Irene ,It's just that u can't master Quick Sword in 2 days .... and now Flora's windcutter which it's fine cause all the other Claymores took some technique from a fallen conmrade in the 7 years time skip but now clare has 3 "borrowed" abilities and i think she should stick to them for a while or at least master them (which she probably has during the 7 years XD ) but at least use them for a while before getting a new one cause even tho it would be cool that clare became the stronger it just would ruin a little her character mainly cause she's not the typical super strong and powerful "hero" ... part of what makes her interesting it's that she actually has to struggle to win a fight from time to time and that she still has a long way to go before becoming the best claymore, plus borrowing more abilities would make her look like she's just copying instead of improving imo.......... so what do u guys think ? should clare get more abilities and become"invincible"or stick to the ones she has at least for a while ?

[longshot]

hmm is clare's relationship to raki fraternal or romantic........i mean that chapter/episode where she kissed him i think was to only shut him so up so he would run an not get killed

[SaroVati]

I think she should stick to her abilities right now. Getting more is pretty much useless for her now because she doesen't have the time/yoki to use them all in a battle. Plus she hasn't mastered any of them yet (her Flash Sword is still imcomplete according to Irene). Flora's ability probably could be mastered in 7 years, but I doubt she was allowed to stay in one spot and train it. So getting more would be quite useless because if she mastered all the moves she has right now, she might just fight on par (or close to) a high ranked AB or maybe even an Abyssal One.

[Phantasm]

Next thing you know she's inheriting someone's legs, Nina's "Shadow Hunter," or Rune's eyes D;

[Playmore]

well remembering the legs awakening she had during the northern campaign when fighting the little kitty.. i think that would be a waste to have other legs ^^

[methaniel]

I don't see her inheriting other part of a another Claymore, as Playmore said, she had good legs when awakened. And we still haven't really see what she's capable of since this 7 years time skip.
And about the relation between her and Raki...at first she considers him like a brther, but she's well aware of the fact that he loved her (that's why she kiss him at first)...but now, I think that since she was split from him since so much time...maybe she can be in love with him (realsing how important he was, etc...)

[chezkimo]

hmmm, i don't think Clare was in love with the Raki that was 7 seven years, as that would be a case of pedaphilia (lol) but she cared for him that's for sure, so in way she wasn't his lover but she was in love with him. However, now that Raki's probably all grown up and not a kid, she might fall in love with him. I just hope Raki hasn't fallen in love with Priscilla. GOD, the two most hated characters of claymore getting together, claymore fans would start sending letter bombs to the author. (especially me!)

It's funny though coz Clare's like taken the best part of the warriors from Teresa's generation. Teresa's blood (strong yoki and yoki sensing ability), Irene's arm. She also took on Ophelia's resolve. What's next, Miria's legs, Helen's stretchy body and Galatea's good looks (come on people we all know Gal's good looks surpass her yoki sensing ability any day)

PS. Teresa seems to be winning in the otaku character battle semi-fianls...

[ghassassin]

Clare did kiss Raki once, somewhere around when they departed. Sooner or later, there is gonna be some romantic angle between them. Most probably, when Clare confronts Isley (or Priscilla, but Isley will be the one to die first) and after some over-dramatic Raki's dilemma.....well, another kiss would be pathetic.

[Phantasm]

Lol @ Chezkimo. Clare is cool and all but yes, inheriting Galatea's good looks would do her good. Or maybe she should grow out her hair? It wouldn't suit her as much though.

+ I vote nay for romance between Raki and Clare.

[Altheia]

Haha, and then Clare would look like all the other claymores with her long hair. I mean, they kind of all look the same...*.*
And, seriously, who would want Raki and Clare to get together? I don't care how much Raki has grown, definitely NOT!

[Hyusuke]

I see Clare feeling the same way Teresa felt for her. Probably like an older sister to him.

[ghassassin]

I see Clare feeling the same way Teresa felt for her. Probably like an older sister to him.

Older sister doesn't french-kiss their young brothers. Nothing wrong with that, even Claymores have their "needs".

And little Clare was far cooler than a grown up Raki. He should just die, with his guts eaten.

[SaroVati]

Haha lots of Raki haters and I agree. But think about it, if Clare didn't get into a relationship with Raki, then who would she get into one with? Rubel? LOL I seriously doubt that, and Raki's only there for that 'romantic' aspect of this manga, as most manga's have something to do with it, which makes alot of them popular (Take Bleach/Naruto for an example).

[ghassassin]

Galk was cool. He even kissed Clare and that was daring enough for a man. Do it with him, but Raki? Who would like a crybaby as her boyfriend?

[Phantasm]

If Clare was to be with anyone it would be Jean ;0 (But Jean's dead or hiding out somewhere like everyone thinks Teresa is doing which is impossible). End of discussion.

[pigpie]

It wasn't Galk who kissed Clare,it was Cid.

Raki and Clare is incest if they have a brother sister love,Clare must be blind.

[Playmore]

Well if Clare know that Raki .. slept.. with Pris several times.. who knows maybe for 7 years in same bed even not doing anything (but I got doubt.. I don't think a man could restrain himself for 7 years in the same bed with Pris). I'm sure she will go in berserk mode and kill him..
That would be nice :D

[lsumd2011]

*sigh* Poor Raki, I will honestly laugh my *** off at the Raki haters if he comes back a total badass. Of course if he comes back the same crybaby he was pre-timeskip, I will wish for his painful death along with everyone else. As for their relationship, I don't really know whether Clare sees him as a little brother, a friend, or a love interest, but as for Raki, he definitely is in love with Clare. When he comes back me thinks the Clare/Raki relationship will probably mature to a bf/gf relationship and that relationship will be on some serious rocky ground when:
a: the seven find out who Raki spent seven years training with and
b: Clare finds out about his relationship with Priscilla

[Phantasm]

Excellent point @ Isumd, which sort of leads me to wonder if Clare will have mercy on Prissy + Isley since they took care of Raki (and helped him become stronger) /:
But then again, her main goal in life is to take Priscilla's head so maybe not...
Isley, besides having set the attack on Pieta and riled up Riful, isn't so much at fault? All he really wanted was to take Priscilla back to where she came from, that being the Southern Lands which he now has in his possession. (He even, sort of, defended that town in the North where Priscilla wandered into.)

[ghassassin]

Excellent point @ Isumd, which sort of leads me to wonder if Clare will have mercy on Prissy + Isley since they took care of Raki (and helped him become stronger) /:


They are not taking any "care" of Raki. Its not something that they are doing for charity. When the time comes, they will use him for their purpose and Clare would know that.

[Phantasm]

You know what I mean 0; They provided him with food and shelter. If they hadn't "took him in" Raki would be dead, most likely, long before the end of the seven years.
Imo, at this moment in time it doesn't really seem like Isley has an ulterior motive when it comes to Raki. Maybe Priscilla does since she's psycho but not Isley.

[Bass Test]

Hey I know this is a stupid question but what is the relationship between Clare and Priscilla? Is Priscilla the "One-horned monster" or am I thinking of someone else.(Hey, I know, i'm a noob)

[Phantasm]

Yes, Priscilla is the One-Horned monster Clare has sworn to defeat.

[lsumd2011]

They are not taking any "care" of Raki. Its not something that they are doing for charity. When the time comes, they will use him for their purpose and Clare would know that.

Well the question then would be what possible purpose could those two have for Raki? I mean Isley is an AB and Priscilla is a Super AB, and together they are basically the tag-team of uber pwnage, so what use could they have for a mere human? I mean the only use he would have (outside of emergency food supply) would be to manipulate Clare & company, but they don't even know she exists yet. Honestly I don't think there is an ulterior motive to Isely and Priscilla taking Raki in. Priscilla got attached to him because "he has a nice smell" and Isley took him in to humor his crazy lover, and began teaching Raki the sword because Raki requested it. Then again, Isley is such a damn enigma that I don't know heads or tails when it comes to his personality.

[Scorpio-Girl]

Clare's power/strength is starting to look more like Teresa's in this new chapter. Obviously Clare has a long way to go- but she's getting there...

Her windcutter technique (Flora's) is really amazing.

As for Raki- perhaps they want a human ally... for something.. (trying to think of something other than food) >.>

[Playmore]

well for me Raki until we see him again is just used like a teddy bear for baby Priscilla. >.<.

I like it when Claresays her move is less powerfull but more precise ^^ well except for few hairs of galatea :))
So it means she can still improve.

[methaniel]

I don't see Claire holding back against Priscilla because she took care of Raki (but Raki could jump in the middle of the fight for protecting Priscilla), and when they took him, they didn't knew about his relation with Clare (maybe Priscilla even don't remember her...), so basically, he's just a toy, with him, Priscilla is happy, and that's all...
And yeah, they said already before that she lose strenght using that technique, but maybe she will be able to regain it. And since she don't use her Yoma power (maybe the last blow and still...), that mean she's in par with her younger her with Yoma power, and also that if she use them now, she could be powerfull

[Bass Test]

Claire's recent defeat was awesome.The way she used the wind cutter was amazing(I hope Chapter 79 is out tomorrow) that made the battle quick and easy.
My thoughts about Raki are still shifty Its between if he should come back saving Claire's group or if he should defect that one guy.(Man, I bad with names)

[wany1981]

ya on the last page there is 4 Kanji character not translated. It's probably words that Clare shout up while slicing agasa apart. It translate to something like a one flash wind cutter. Just to let your guys know.

[SaroVati]

Haha I like seeing posts about "will Clare show Pris and Isley mercy cuz of Raki'. It's so funny. I don't think people relieze yet that right now, the 7 can't even take Isley let alone Priscilla. She took out half of Isley's body in a second and the 7 won't survive long against him. What do you think would happen if Clare fought Pris right now? She wouldn't even get obliterated, it would be worse.

[wany1981]

Haha I like seeing posts about "will Clare show Pris and Isley mercy cuz of Raki'. It's so funny. I don't think people relieze yet that right now, the 7 can't even take Isley let alone Priscilla. She took out half of Isley's body in a second and the 7 won't survive long against him. What do you think would happen if Clare fought Pris right now? She wouldn't even get obliterated, it would be worse.

The team able to kill a no.2 awaken being with ease is suddenly giving people a false hope and thinking the team can kill an abysall being now.
This is defintly wrong. Agasa is strong but she is probably one of the weaker sub abysall awaken being compare to Rosemary or Rigaldo. She may just be a tiny bit stronger then Duff. Rigaldo maybe no.2 but he was strong enough and confidently enough to try to challage an awaken being. Right after the challege he submit to defeat and when isley ask him about why not try to surprise and bad stab to kill me. Lion boy said if it's possible i would done it a long time ago.

From this we can tell there is a power gap between sub abysall awaken being and true abysall ones. Let alone prissy is on a whole different level.

I said it before i will say it again. All the gang can do right now if they meet any true abysall one is running away. Running away without harm can only be done by clare and maybe miria. All the others will be in some sort of trouble or even death if they make one single mistake. The power gap between them is still too great.

[lsumd2011]

Yeah, the only was they can ever hope to match an Abyssal Ones' or Priscilla's power is if they learn how to fully awaken their bodies without losing their minds.

[HitoriDake]

Okay, I notice that this is a manga and so like any good manga there should be some nice theory threads.

So...! I think Clare and Miria are secretly in love. I mean, they get along well, their personalities match, and they do even more together than the rest of team members whenever they team up. Plus, they like to sneak out together during the night so they can do things to each other. RAWR! ClarexMiria! *swoon*

KIDDING!

Actually, my theory is... I think Clare is an offensive AND defensive type. Yes, no matter the enemy, she continues attacking relentlessly until she accomplishes her objective (offensive), but she displays an uncanny tenacity when doing so (defensive), else she'd've been dead.

At the very least, I think Clare is capable of self-healing and regeneration, but I do believe she's both offensive and defensive.

Here's what I find to suggest this:


Even offensive-type awakened such as Ophelia and Dauf can regenerate. Partially awakened warriors have been noted to posses abilities closer to that of awakened beings.
Even if it would be a stretch for just a partially awakened warrior to be capable of regeneration, Clare is capable of a controlled awakening of her limbs, at which level she could regenerate and heal them as well as any offensive-type awakened being.
Healing is an ability that guides the youki to heal the injured spots. Given that claire is rather capable of youki manipulation (She managed to pull Jean back from full body awakening, a feat rivaling the Soul Link, albeit for a shorter duration at possibly greater expense.), it stands to reason that Claire would be more capable of manipulating her own youki to heal herself than the average offensive type.
Clare uses her ability to sense youki as a rather defensive combat maneuver. Its use has been by and large self-preservationist. She uses it either to dodge blows, block/parry blows, or to make them hit less critical regions, decreasing damage taken in all cases. In fact, both Galatea and Tabitha, the other users of this ability, are defensive types. Teresa and Renée's types have not been disclosed (although given that Teresa's only ability was sensing youki and her distinct lack of offensive abilities, it appears she could've been a defensive type as well). Admittedly, youki sensing can certainly be used for offensive purposes as well, such as finding weak points, but she largely uses it to avoid attacks, such as the first time she reveals this technique near the end of Chapter 28 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/28/31/).
In Chapter 36 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/36/), in the first fight between Clare and Ophelia, although Ophelia denotes Clare as an offensive type, if you consider Claire's fighting style when facing Ophelia resolutely, she's "trying to survive by protecting herself" and definitely not "trying to survive by killing the enemy."
In Chapter 60, Page 12 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/60/12/), Clare suggested that Jean heal the stomach wound she took, and Jean explained in the next page (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/60/13/) that that wound is beyond the ability of an offensive-type warrior to heal. However, if we compare the stomach wound Jean took in Chapter 57, Page 22 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/57/22/) to the wound Clare took in Chapter 3, Page 26 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/3/26/), the injury is similar but Clare healed her injury in Page 33 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/3/33/), and this was before she partially awakened. Moreover, that type of strategy is one reserved exclusively for defensive-type warriors, as explained in Chapter 53, Page 27 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/53/27/).

[ghassassin]

What better is it than the Clare thread?

[HitoriDake]

What better is it than the Clare thread?

The way I saw it, I felt it would either hijack or get buried under responses in this thread. Seemed better as its own thread. Oh well. :-/

[Playmore]

some things about your theory on def/off type

- defense or offensive type, we only know that a claymore is either one or the other.
But how do we get that characteristic, I don't buy that legend that: " The stronger the desire to live, the more likely the claymore's attacking style will be the defensive attacking style" and thus gaining impressive regeneration abilities (even lost limbs). While offensive type only get more power and limited regenerative abilities.
For me it's not about a state of mind, it's probably more close to the type of yoma flesh/blood fused in the body. The flesh/blood for me give the regenerative type characteristic.
The claymore training/way of fighting was probably adapted to that.
And then depending on the fusion with the claymore body you get aditionnal(s) thing(s):
You get to see claymore with different stuffs like flexible body parts, speedy body parts, super strength, yoki sensibility,...

Clare is a special case anyway. she has 1/4 of yoma (mix of teresa/yoma)... and she has now an other mix of 1/4 yoma with irene's arm remixing the old mix.
Sure she got that strong desire to live but live for revenge.. on Pris, org and to find Raki. Those feelings don't make her gain that regenerative ability of a defense type.. if not she would have grow her arm before. And the wound, she received from the Yoma in the beginning is not really the same as the one Jean receive. Rigardo arm was like 5 times larger than the yoma that hit Clare.
Also Jean sacrified her last drop of strength to save Clare, she would lie just to offer her life for Clare.

[SilentBuddhist]

Jean was pierced not once, but twice, once by Rigardo, the second by Clare herself when she was nearing awakening. And Jean herself had that same "yoki manipulation" akin to soul link, with making her yoki harmonize with Clare's, so I'm assuming if other put their mind to it it may be possible for others that are considered offensive to do the same, but then again maybe not. But still, Jean helped stop Clare from awakening the same way Clare did, so I'm assuming both offensives and defensives can do it. Plus Clare was only pierced by a measly yoma anyway, Rigardo is something else entirely. Teresa uses yoki to avoid and predict enemy movements too, and she herself is offensive. It's only natural to avoid attacks, and eventually counter. Her feelings to survive to kill Pris and find Raki don't automatically make her defensive.

[pigpie]

A claymore is either defensive or offensive,she cannot be both.

According to the writer(through Deneve).Someone who has the desire to live in battle is regenerative and if you fight to kill the target you are offensive.Clare in the Ophelia thing being want to survive does not make her defensive because it was only that time..being defensive means wanting to survive in all the battle.Clare most of the time wants to just KILL KILL KILL..I mean she wants to KILL Prissy...that alone makes her offensive.

I actually also brought up the stomach damage between Clare and Jean before,but like SB said,one hole is caused by an average Yoma while the other is by an awakened one...I am guessing than Clares hole wasn't a complete see through hole like Jean...Jeans hole you could completely see through it so it is really huge(in the manga that is when Jean prevent Helen from launching her sword at the awakened Clare).Rigardos arm is muscular as well.

[chezkimo]

I don't think it's to do with the type of yoma that's infused with the warrior. And we can't really comment as they havn't really explained the process clearly enough.

But not all offensive have SUCH limitations in terms of healing. Just in one fo the most recent chapters miata's arms were cut off, yet with her super-strong yoki she restored them in an instance, and by the looks of it they were claymore standard arms, while Miata is an offensive type. So perhaps offensive types, if they have large amounts of yoki they may be able to do the kind of healing that defensive types ca do. I mean, it's bnot like offensive types can't heal full stop!

Clare however may not be able to heal like defensive types because she's only 1/4 yoma, meaning her yoki isn't that large, even if it is teresa's and she hasn't had much experience when it comes to healing except that time with ophelia.

[HitoriDake]

Hmm, I notice nobody has said much concerning my first three points, which make one case for Clare being able to regenerate, even if she isn't defensive.

- defense or offensive type, we only know that a claymore is either one or the other.

That wasn't mentioned anywhere in the manga. It was simply "assumed" to be the way things are.

But how do we get that characteristic, I don't buy that legend that: " The stronger the desire to live, the more likely the claymore's attacking style will be the defensive attacking style" and thus gaining impressive regeneration abilities (even lost limbs). While offensive type only get more power and limited regenerative abilities.
For me it's not about a state of mind, it's probably more close to the type of yoma flesh/blood fused in the body. The flesh/blood for me give the regenerative type characteristic.
The claymore training/way of fighting was probably adapted to that.
And then depending on the fusion with the claymore body you get aditionnal(s) thing(s):
You get to see claymore with different stuffs like flexible body parts, speedy body parts, super strength, yoki sensibility,...

Clare is a special case anyway. she has 1/4 of yoma (mix of teresa/yoma)... and she has now an other mix of 1/4 yoma with irene's arm remixing the old mix.

If you're going to discard the canon explanation (Chapter 36, Page 5 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/36/05/) through Ophelia) for your own theory explanation, we can wind up anywhere. Also, even by that explanation, Teresa is arguably defensive and Irene offensive, so there's still a case along those lines.

Sure she got that strong desire to live but live for revenge.. on Pris, org and to find Raki. Those feelings don't make her gain that regenerative ability of a defense type.. if not she would have grow her arm before.

I think regrowing the arm failed mostly because Ophelia interrupted Clare. She definitely broke Clare's focus, and you need focus to heal an arm. Also, it seems like an offensive type shouldn't exactly possess the skill (ie. understand how) to regenerate an arm (I think it comes more naturally to defensive types, but offensive types kind of have to force it/rough their way through it - that's why an offensive type shouldn't be able to heal as well as a defensive type.), but Clare tried to regenerate her arm as if it's the normal thing to do (and it's normal for defensive types only), and she understood exactly what she was trying to do and how she should do it, although she didn't have any experience and was trying to imitate Deneve.

As for motives for Clare to be defensive, scroll down.

And the wound, she received from the Yoma in the beginning is not really the same as the one Jean receive. Rigardo arm was like 5 times larger than the yoma that hit Clare.

It really doesn't look 5x bigger than the one Clare received, but I'll grant that Jean's wound could certainly have been a somewhat larger one than Clare's.

Also Jean sacrified her last drop of strength to save Clare, she would lie just to offer her life for Clare.

Jean isn't the type to lie. She has this almost naive, tremendous sense of honor that she goes by. She's the type that would tell the truth and speak her mind.

Jean was pierced not once, but twice, once by Rigardo, the second by Clare herself when she was nearing awakening.

True, but it seems that Jean was referring the wound she got from Rigardo being a lost cause even before she put herself in harm's way by coming so close to Clare.

And Jean herself had that same "yoki manipulation" akin to soul link, with making her yoki harmonize with Clare's, so I'm assuming if other put their mind to it it may be possible for others that are considered offensive to do the same, but then again maybe not. But still, Jean helped stop Clare from awakening the same way Clare did, so I'm assuming both offensives and defensives can do it.

From what I gathered, Clare did the yoki manipulation herself both times. Jean merely "offered" to have Clare manipulate the last of Jean's yoki so that Clare would return from awakening.

Plus Clare was only pierced by a measly yoma anyway, Rigardo is something else entirely.

True, but the wound's roughly the same.

Teresa uses yoki to avoid and predict enemy movements too, and she herself is offensive.

Teresa's type was never disclosed; thus, I've suggested Teresa could well be a defensive type, considering her distinct lack of notable offensive abilities (The closest ability she has to that is just releasing yoki, although apparently her 10% yoki release completely outstripped a fully awakened former number 1's yoki.) and use of yoki sensing to augment her fighting capacity.

It's only natural to avoid attacks, and eventually counter. Her feelings to survive to kill Pris and find Raki don't automatically make her defensive.

True, but no other offensive claymore displays defensive abilities on this level, save Miria whose use of Phantom is still far more offensive than Clare's use of yoki sensing. Rather than mounting a sustained ability to avoid harm like Clare, Phantom was initially meant to be used strictly to quickly try to finish an enemy before its repeated use exhausted Miria.

Also, if offensive warriors "try to survive by killing the enemy" and defensive warriors "try to survive by protecting themselves," Clare's particular style of battle is by and large to "protect herself while killing the enemy in order to survive."

A claymore is either defensive or offensive,she cannot be both.

Again, there's no evidence for that. That's simply been assumed, and I'm suggesting otherwise.

According to the writer(through Deneve).Someone who has the desire to live in battle is regenerative and if you fight to kill the target you are offensive.Clare in the Ophelia thing being want to survive does not make her defensive because it was only that time..being defensive means wanting to survive in all the battle.

I think that fighting as defensively as she did in that one fight would completely go against someone who's strictly an offensive type. A strictly offensive type would just face Ophelia with desperate attacks hoping for the one in a million chance Ophelia dies to a lucky hit and get killed. A strictly defensive type would generally attempt to avoid combat with Ophelia as much as possible Ophelia and to escape. Clare first avoided Ophelia as much as possible (very defensive), then faced Ophelia (offensive) but was strictly out to keep herself from dying (very defensive) when she did, not to try to score that one in a million hit that might kill Ophelia.

Clare most of the time wants to just KILL KILL KILL..I mean she wants to KILL Prissy...that alone makes her offensive.

That's been one of her objectives, but going by Chapter 36, Page 11 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/36/11/) "the notion that you can't die yet because you still have something to protect" provides a defensive motive for Clare as well. The case I'm making isn't that Clare is defensive, it's that Clare is offensive AND defensive.

Also, the notion that Clare must live because that's the only proof Teresa ever existed (Stated on Chapter 38, Pages 12-13 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/12-13/) and Page 23 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/23/)) provides her with another defensive motive as well, which she confirms in the next page (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/24/).

I actually also brought up the stomach damage between Clare and Jean before,but like SB said,one hole is caused by an average Yoma while the other is by an awakened one...I am guessing than Clares hole wasn't a complete see through hole like Jean...Jeans hole you could completely see through it so it is really huge(in the manga that is when Jean prevent Helen from launching her sword at the awakened Clare).Rigardos arm is muscular as well.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. In both cases, an arm completely went through the gut and came out the other end of the body. The wounds are roughly the same in my opinion.

I don't think it's to do with the type of yoma that's infused with the warrior. And we can't really comment as they havn't really explained the process clearly enough.

Agreed.

But not all offensive have SUCH limitations in terms of healing. Just in one fo the most recent chapters miata's arms were cut off, yet with her super-strong yoki she restored them in an instance, and by the looks of it they were claymore standard arms, while Miata is an offensive type. So perhaps offensive types, if they have large amounts of yoki they may be able to do the kind of healing that defensive types ca do. I mean, it's bnot like offensive types can't heal full stop!

I'm not quite sure how to interpret what exactly Miata did there, but I think we did establish that when it comes to strictly offensive types, the best could regenerate only as far as a regular human's arms.

Clare however may not be able to heal like defensive types because she's only 1/4 yoma, meaning her yoki isn't that large, even if it is teresa's and she hasn't had much experience when it comes to healing except that time with ophelia.

There's an interesting point there, and I certainly agree that Clare hasn't had much experience healing herself. I do believe that she's a far cry from Deneve when it comes to self-healing. Still, Clare isn't quite as bounded by being 1/4th yoma because courtesy of Irene she's probably more than 1/4th yoma now and partially awakening increases the yoki available too, as well as the abilities involved.

Well ,she still got her friends : Milia ,Deneve, Helen,Yuma,Cincia, and Tabata


Afer her revenge is over , she still can lead a peaceful life though.

I agree. In fact, in Chapter 38, Page 24 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/24/), she said she would come back when all is said and done to return the arm, so it seems that that's her intention.

[pigpie]

I dun know about Clare not having a lot of Yoki in her,I mean Teresa is like a watermelon,filled with juice(yoki) while normal Claymores are like Oranges or whatever less juicy fruit..apple?....so passing Teresa on to Clare,I am guessing Clare should also have a huge number of yoki inside as well.

[Dantrag]

YEah, the amount of yoki Clare got from Teresa was/is propably comparable to normal Single Digits (I doubt she has as much as Teresa simply because Teresa had much more of that Strong Yoma/Possibly AB in her than Clare). The biggest problem was that at the start of the series she seriously sucked at offensive abilities. She was only moderate at swordsmanship, didn't have special attacks and her yoki sensing was far from what Teresa could do. That's why se was ranked so low along with the fact that she was only 1/4th Yoma. It wasn't untill after her going past her limit at Rabona that Teresa's gifts really started to kick in and after that she could slay multiple Yoma with ease.

[Playmore]

Well her mission to Rabona she nearly lost it to awakening.. that probably triggered the improvement we saw in Clare

[bluecookie]

Well ,she still got her friends : Milia ,Deneve, Helen,Yuma,Cincia, and Tabata


Afer her revenge is over , she still can lead a peaceful life though.

[pigpie]

I guess that maybe after she crushes the Org,she and her merry friends the defiant ones will run the Org.Galatea can join as well...than they will send fake invites to Yomas and ask them to go to a certain Location to Party and during that time ambush them and eat their meat....

[lsumd2011]

You know the way you worded that last sentence made me think of unpleasant things.

[SaroVati]

Hm @ Dantrag, you said that Teresa possibly had an AB implanted in her. WTF?!?!??! If that were the case, the ORG would have done that to hundreds of Claymores and they would all be as buff as Teresa. Wouldn't work would it? But I agree that she got a considerable amount of Yoki from Teresa. When she almost awakened in the Holy City, it probably stirred up the implanted parts of Teresa and unlocked the powers or something. At that time, facing a normal yoma 1v1 was a tedious and difficult job. After that, she took out many Yoma at a time without breaking a sweat. The more she partially awakens, the more of Teresa's powers will be unlocked I think. Who knows, maybe Teresa will pull an Orochimaru and take over Clare's body :o LOL I doubt it though.

[lsumd2011]

Yeah, Clare will start feeling nauseated one day, double-over and then, *BARF!!!* out pops Teressa. :rolleyes:

[Greg]

Though I must say, the idea of placing an awakened being in someone to make a Claymore certainly is intriguing, Teresa wasn't a user of raw strength, she just had great Yomi sensing abilities.

I wonder how much of Clare is being influenced by Teresa, and to what extent. Will we see the cliché inner mind conversation in which Teresa is still alive within Clare's heart?

[Drunkenvalley]

I just realized.. But do you think Clare will start using her awakening more frequently, to try and break the Yoma inside herself to her will and for tactical moves?

I mean, even if she's fast, if she could control the awakening of her legs precisely she'd be godlike. The same goes for her other limbs. Ie taking control of all changes and time them.

It'd be interesting. And the disposal of that awakened being in the last chapter suggests she has a trick up her sleeve to increase pure movement speed as well..

[Playmore]

Clare as it is won't need to awaken any part of her body in a fight.
The only opponents that could force her now to go over limit in a deadly fight can be count only on 1 hand (riful, isley, pris, alice and beth(?)).
And I don't think they have trained the separate limb awakening in the North since that would mean they could get caught while releasing yokis by claymores or ab.

[Drunkenvalley]

Aye, I get your point. :P Logic says they've avoided that, and are generally very composed in regards to the use of their yoki..

[SaroVati]

I don't see how controlling her awakened legs precisely is going to make her god-like.... All Awakened Beings control all their body parts and limbs precisely, so she still will be weaker than the top AB's. Just controlling her legs won't do much, as just speed will only lead to you dodging attacks and getting openings. But against an Abyssal One, if you have the strength she has right now, even with an opening you won't inflict a wound that won't be healed within seconds.

[Altheia]

Yeah, I agree with SaroVati. I think Clare would have to completely awaken herself (albeit keeping her sanity of course) in order to become stronger and defeat any one of the Abyssal Ones. I think her healing ability could definitely approve.
Here's a little off-topic subject: Why do you think that awakened beings, esp. Abyssal Ones, are so much stronger than regular yoki? After all, they only have half the yoki blood than full yoki. Is it because they have better control?

[HitoriDake]

I'm just wondering, but would anyone like to answer/comment on my responses (http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=332523&postcount=59) to the whole topic about Clare being both an offensive and defensive type? I think I still have a case. :)

I'm kinda sad no one answered it yet. :(

:inquisition:
(This smiley is awesome.)

Though I must say, the idea of placing an awakened being in someone to make a Claymore certainly is intriguing, Teresa wasn't a user of raw strength, she just had great Yomi sensing abilities.

Teresa wasn't renowned for her strength, but she also never deployed her strength. Teresa at 10% release was ungodly powerful.

I wonder how much of Clare is being influenced by Teresa, and to what extent. Will we see the cliché inner mind conversation in which Teresa is still alive within Clare's heart?

I'm suspecting such a cliché might happen. We already saw hints of it at Chapter 26, Page 22 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/26/22/), and it's been established that yomas retain memories and even to a certain extent the feelings of the humans they take over, so there's even a canon explanation waiting to be used.

I just realized.. But do you think Clare will start using her awakening more frequently, to try and break the Yoma inside herself to her will and for tactical moves?

Using the awakening more frequently? I'm not sure she will. Gaining better control of awakening limbs? It seems that way.

I mean, even if she's fast, if she could control the awakening of her legs precisely she'd be godlike. The same goes for her other limbs. Ie taking control of all changes and time them.

Agreed, but it's still risky.

It'd be interesting. And the disposal of that awakened being in the last chapter suggests she has a trick up her sleeve to increase pure movement speed as well..

She does. It's called the "Flash Windcutter." There was a caption to her move in Page 31 of Chapter 78 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/78/30-31/) that 10sigh removed altogether and FrankyHouse mistranslated as "Windcutter Flashes!!" (I'm in your captions, verbing your nouns.) The caption read:

風斬り一閃!!
("Kazekiri issen!!")

This literally means "windslayer flash!!" For the curious wondering why it's "windslayer" and not "windcutter," kiri was apparently interpreted by someone as the more popular verb "to cut" (due to identical kana - きり), leading to the now-popular name Windcutter but, with its kanji, kiri (斬り) actually means a different verb which means "to behead or to murder." If it was "to cut," it would've been "切り" instead.

Clare as it is won't need to awaken any part of her body in a fight.
The only opponents that could force her now to go over limit in a deadly fight can be count only on 1 hand (riful, isley, pris, alice and beth(?)).

I agree with you that it's very unlikely that clare will be pushed so far over the limit that she'll need to partially awaken her limbs again as she did before. However, I'm not sure the controlled awakening between Alice & Beth would pose quite the same threat. It requires the Soul Link and that needs perfect synchronization of yoki. Clare, who can manipulate yoki, could make it hellishly difficult for the two of them to soul link. Also, we know she can disrupt yoki alignment just by using her Quick Sword.

And I don't think they have trained the separate limb awakening in the North since that would mean they could get caught while releasing yokis by claymores or ab.

Agreed. Unless they found places where they'd be specifically out of range for yoki sensing, I don't think that'd happen.

I don't see how controlling her awakened legs precisely is going to make her god-like.... All Awakened Beings control all their body parts and limbs precisely, so she still will be weaker than the top AB's. Just controlling her legs won't do much, as just speed will only lead to you dodging attacks and getting openings. But against an Abyssal One, if you have the strength she has right now, even with an opening you won't inflict a wound that won't be healed within seconds.

At the moment, we still don't have a real sense of Clare's power. All we know is that she's a lot stronger, faster, etc. than before. We don't know how much stronger, faster, etc. Besides, for all we know there are Abyssal Ones with poor regeneration abilities.

:fight:

[SaroVati]

Lol Abyssal Ones with poor regeneration abilities? I seriously doubt that. Even as an offensive type, when you Awaken, you still get HUGE regeneration bonuses. As of yet, none of the Abyssal Ones have been labelled 'defensive type', but even so, to survive that long, they must have had wounds inflicted. They would just train the already immense healing ability. It is true we do not know how much faster/stronger she got, but I will bet you a cookie that she is not even close to an Abyssal One yet. As I've stated before, if she was strong enough to inflict a wound without awakening, why haven't the 7 taken out one yet?

[EightySix]

well..it may just be a matter of strategy..take out one abyssal and the others get too powerful and they take more lands..with the 3 of them previously , it was kinda equally divided but now theres only riful vs isley + priscilla...not counting in alicia of course..so it wouldnt be too smart to take out riful who also wants priscilla dead. Not sure how the 7 will get stronger though...they're already so fast and powerful...Who knows it could be the 8 if galatea comes along..

[Lucha]

Lol Abyssal Ones with poor regeneration abilities? I seriously doubt that.


I'll name one... Duph... just like what Riful says in Chapter 47 page 27 (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/47/27/) 'Healing and regrowing take so much time it's ridiculous too'

Clare here is the only char (so far) who half-awakened and able to return more than once. Maybe if she do it a few more times, she'll able to transform to some superhero like (>.<)

[EightySix]

hmm the last time she transformed jean sacrificed herself just to get her back ..i think its getting harder each time and she wont want anyone else to sacrifice themselves...so i reckon shes gonna train till shes nearly as strong as her awakened form. her speed now is incredible but i wonder....what if she mixed ophelia's snake blade with windcutter...a blade thats unstoppable and super quick...

[faith]

I say Clare is strong... why? coz she's half the strongest claymore!!! I mean, anyone could see how Teresa undoubtedly displayed infinite power. Heck, that damn Priscilla was a b**** to even trick her... wait a minute... if Teresa has infinite power... then Clare's power is... Infinity divided by two!!! then that means she also has limitless power!!! Goddamnit, i'm ranting infinite nonsense... please forgive the mentally-challenged...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE FOR TERESA IN THE MANGA CHARACTER BATTLE!!! ;)

[xana1]

Well I believe Clare as much more power that she shows (I believe that even her doesn't know her true power), she is the successor of Teresa, and Teresa wasn't Number One just because she could read Yoki very well, she had infinite power (she kick Priscilla's *** - that was on 70%, I'm not sure - with just 10, and Teresa couldn't read the Yoki because the flow was huge, so that means she was really strong), so I believe Clare, that as the same ability to read Yoki like Teresa, also has her huge power! Although I believe, that in the end, she will awakened to kill Priscilla, and that Teresa is still alive within Clare's heart!

[SaroVati]

@ Lucha

Yeah Duph is an exception. As you can see, he was formerly an offensive type and also not the brightest bulb of the bunch. And using your own evidence against you, Riful says that his regeneration is abnormally slow for Awakened Beings. So as you can see, I still think Abyssal Ones can regenerate quickly. And just a question, does anyone know if the male Claymore that Miria and co. first fought was an offensive or defensive type Claymore? If he was defensive, then it would explain it, but he seemed really on the offensive during that whole encounter. But he regrew his arms like a MONSTER...... xD

[Chibitea]

Well .. he regenerated all his arms amanzingly fast and wasn't that agresive when attacking so i would say he was a defensive type ....

BTW The Poll Teresa Vs Elric has already started so if u didn't know or haven't voted yet ... GO VOTE !! :thumbup: U have until March 20 to vote !! :D

[SaroVati]

Lol we are getting really off-topic here, I won't be surprised if this is moved to the Yoma and Awakened Being's thread or something xD. Anyways just to get us back on track, as I have heard sometime earlier, people say that the more Clare 'half-awakens', the more of Teresa's powers are unlocked. This would mean yeah she would get more power, but the risk is also greater by alot. I mean, if every time she had to sacrifice a single digit to revert back, the Org. would run out of man-power, and if Raki did it instead, I might cry because well.... Raki is Raki lol.

[xana1]

It wouldn't be that bad if Clare awakened, you know, I think Raki will die, and after killing Priscilla she would have no more purpose to keep living, and the Organization is after her head (and I would love to see how is her awakned form)! I think that in the end she awake to kill Priscilla!

[EightySix]

u've already seen her awakened form anyway. when she fought rigarl or something that lion dude in the north she awakened. her form kinda reminded me of alicia's awakened form.

[pigpie]

Speaking of Clare awakening...I have this sudden thought that Clare might not awaken during her battle with Prissy..If you guys watched Claymore Ep 10...Clare specialis is reading Yoki just like Teresa...so during the time when she confronts Prissy,I think she will remain her human self and read Prissy yoki and defeat her that way.

[xana1]

Well that's true, but like Teresa, Clare probably will have difficulty in reading Priscilla's Yoki (you know, in Ep 8 Teresa said that the level of Yoki is so big, she can't read, that's why she had to use her yoma powers), and the same will happen with Clare (besides, Clares is not that good at reading Yoki)!

As for Clare's awakening form, she didn't awaked completely, so there's parts of her body that we don't know how they look like when awaken!

[jerros]

Well that's true, but like Teresa, Clare probably will have difficulty in reading Priscilla's Yoki (you know, in Ep 8 Teresa said that the level of Yoki is so big, she can't read, that's why she had to use her yoma powers), and the same will happen with Clare (besides, Clares is not that good at reading Yoki)!

As for Clare's awakening form, she didn't awaked completely, so there's parts of her body that we don't know how they look like when awaken!

The last time Pricilla & Claire met Pricilla walked by Claire like she didn't even notice the girl and mumbled something about wanting to eat some guts.

This leads me to believe that when it comes to Claire Pricilla is blind as a bat. She didn't see, smell or hear Claire. Why that maybe the case I do not know, but in my own opinion that gives Claire a HUGE advantage over Pricilla in combat.

[david]

how about Clare become the only and first Claymore that can singelly transform into awakened being and back into human from back and forth lol, just like Bleach's bankai or released form of the arrancars

[david]

they should make a bleach-claymore cross that would be nice to see

[xana1]

how about Clare become the only and first Claymore that can singelly transform into awakened being and back into human from back and forth lol, just like Bleach's bankai or released form of the arrancars

That would be really cool! As for the thing that Priscilla walked by Clare and didn't pay any atention to her, that could be explain by the fact that Priscilla's kill all the persons that she sees except young girls (Riful said that, and Ophelia was living case of that - her brother killed himself for nothing)! But now Clare is a Claymore, and I think things will happen a little like in the anime, Priscilla will see Clare as Teresa!

[Krasnij Lis]

how about Clare become the only and first Claymore that can singelly transform into awakened being and back into human from back and forth lol, just like Bleach's bankai or released form of the arrancars

ummm....Normal Awakened Beings CAN do that. It's just they get a hunger for guts and most end up being enemies to the main characters....I thought it would be obvious. Anyway I am going to imply you mean: Clare Awakens but keeps her humanity, that may be a possibility but why would clare want to just fight in an Awakened Form and shift back again all the time when she has all her currently well developing skills and swordplay. Besides I think Clare would want to stay Claymore for as long as possible.


That would be really cool! As for the thing that Priscilla walked by Clare and didn't pay any atention to her, that could be explain by the fact that Priscilla's kill all the persons that she sees except young girls (Riful said that, and Ophelia was living case of that - her brother killed himself for nothing)! But now Clare is a Claymore, and I think things will happen a little like in the anime, Priscilla will see Clare as Teresa!

I'm not so sure about that, remember, Priscilla's mind has been regressed to a "innocent" child's since that incident happened.Currently she knows nothing better than what Awakened Being nature dictates. Eating Entrails with a constant hunger

[xana1]

I'm not so sure about that, remember, Priscilla's mind has been regressed to a "innocent" child's since that incident happened.Currently she knows nothing better than what Awakened Being nature dictates. Eating Entrails with a constant hunger

Indeed, but her mind is block, it's like when you forget something, something traumatic, but something can bring back those memoirs! I don't think that Priscilla's "childish mind" going to stay like that forever; besides when she turns into a AB she changes completely!

[Krasnij Lis]

Maybe her mind will stay like that, maybe not, but yeah, you got that part right about her mind being blocked. and judging from the battle with Teresa and the latest time we saw her, it is possible her mind was slowly becoming like the Priscilla we recognise in the present over time, so it would take a long time for her mind to progress (only if it does, but i don't see it happening in 7 years) She suffers from Amnesia too judging from the looks.


and about that end comment. I disagree. Yes she is completly different physically, thats obvious. but in her mind she isn't different. Check this out and you will get the idea:

http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore_Extra_Scene/3/25/

(reading the entire scene will help better, but this page shows she's mentally no different)

lets continue this is Priscilla's own thread now shall we? Clare would not like the idea that we are talking about her nemesis in her thread now would she? xD

[xana1]

Yeah your right! (and thanks for telling me about the scene, I had to read it again cause I forget what was there)! Well I have a question: What do you think it's going to happen when Clare and Raki reunited! Don't you guys think it's going to be odd!?

[Oink McOink]

That all depends on who is with Raki when he reunites with Clare. If Raki came with Priscilla, then It'll be way more than Just odd. Plus we might assume that Raki heard of the North war and Number 26's participation in said war, Meaning Raki might think Clare is long dead by now.

[Krasnij Lis]

number 26? who was number 26?

you got a point, Raki might believe Clare is dead, but knowing him, he's more likely to stubbornly stick to the belief she's alive. either can happen.

[EightySix]

Raki only heard about "lights" going out from Priscilla..i dont think he believes clare is dead plus he really likes her so he'll take any chance of seeing her alive over believing shes gone forever.

[Krasnij Lis]

yeah, he was even prepared to die with her in Rabona, though I strongly believe their relationship is NOT the Boyfriend and Girlfriend kind but the brother and sister kind, it mirrors Teresa and Clares distinctively to be true.

[Chibitea]

I don't know ..... cause before the 7 years i did think it's was a brother/sister relationship ..(except for the kiss thing lol..) or that it's was a one-sided thing that raki felt for clare (except for the kiss thing again lol) ....

but that was also because raki was a kid , but now that raki is a man (if he wasn't Prisci's lunch..and is still alive) that same dynamic won't be possible .... and i think that if he is a warrior or a swordman or something they could become commerades or something but IMO that would be sooooooo clichè ...and Yagi -sama it's not the clichè mangaka type (well ..so far)

other thing that makes me think that it's possible that they end up together it's the whole time skip ..7 years ? .. i mean Yagi could have made it 3 years and it would have worked just fine IMO ...even Gal went to Rabona just about 2 years ago so ..IMO the 7 year thing also has raki growing and becoming a man .... and another reason it's to build up more drama ..if they get together and something happens to one of them the other will go berserk (like teresa when the armless guy took clare) so it would build up more drama and stuff ...

I'm not saying that i want it to happen ..but that i think there's a possibility of them ending up together ..... and yagi -sama it's good at writing good plots and twists so i think he could get away with a little bit of "shojoness" while keeping the action ..

Or ... Raki could be with priscilla right now .....:lol: then clare just finds out and awakens and well ...... raki should start running...

[Oink McOink]

Raki only heard about "lights" going out from Priscilla..i dont think he believes clare is dead plus he really likes her so he'll take any chance of seeing her alive over believing shes gone forever.

I'm not talking about the lights, Its been seven years, the northern conflict should be well known by now.. Its not every day a region gets wiped out and 20+ claymores goes bye bye.. I'm sure Raki have heard of it to put one and one together and say bye bye to Clare.

LOL.. poor Raki, Isley should be jealous when that happens, Chibitea..hahaha

[Chibitea]

lol ... that's gonna be the final battle lol.. Clare finds out about Raki /Priscilla ..goes nuts and awakens .. then goes and tells Isley the truth .. and they both join forces against them ..... in the mean time the rest of the seven get bored of the whole love square thing (lol) .. and decide to go and take the org without clare .. there they find riful who has done half the job already and end up helping her ... in the end Riful wins ..Miria takes control of the org and they all live happilly ever after ..except for the 4 idiots who are still fighting ....lol ..

wow ...that was random.. :lol: ...

[Oink McOink]

That could be a disadvantage to Raki being a weak human..:lol: Anyway, could Isley know the secrets of male Claymore-rification? Clare meeting a male Claymore Raki, that'll be...er.. wierd, I guess..

[SaroVati]

Lol it would be beyond weird. It would be like "Sup Clare, I'm a Claymore now." She'd be like "Yeah yeah, wait... wtf?" But I don't think Isley knows how to, because it probably is the same as how you make female Claymores, but none of the current ones can do it. He may have had special privilages because he was #1 but who knows.

[Chibitea]

i don't think he can do it ... maybe he knows how it's done but doesn't have the tools to do it ...

and about raki been a claymore ...nah .. the only one that can make claymores is the org and they have been kinda busy with alicia and beth right now so even if raki had made the request the Org wouldn't do it because it would be a failure in the short-term .. the org already knows that male Claymores don't last long so i don't think they'll waste their time with it ...

i think if raki comes back he'll be a very skilled swordsman ...actually i've been thinking that he could have even developed a method to be able to "feel" yoma energy (well ..this is a fantasy manga after all so it's possible ..lol) the same way clare was been developing a technique similar to teresa's ..so in this way he could be on par with claymores ... and would make the humans seem not so weak after all ...plus if he actually managed to find a way to do that it would mean bye bye to the org once and 4 all ... lol

*Goes up to read and realizes that this is actually Clare's thread xD*

wow off topic again ... lol.. ok ok let's think something about clare ....

What do u think she'll do after defeating Prisci ? (if she does)..

@ SaroVati .. just to let u know (cause it also happened to me ) ur sign is too big ..it has to be max 500x150 and if u don't change it they'll remove it ..just to let u know cause it happened to me too..

[Oink McOink]

What do u think she'll do after defeating Prisci ? (if she does)..

Be a mountain hermit like Irene or was it Ilena, hopefully with Raki.

[Airi-chan]

The only thing I don't really like about Clare's possible relationship with Raki is that Raki will continue to age while Clare won't -- remember when she saw Ilena, and said that Ilena didn't look any different from when Clare saw her as a kid? Well, I don't think Clare will age either, and so while Raki's an old man and dying, will Clare look as young as she is now? So wouldn't that relationship be a bit...awkward?
Or I could've gotten the facts wrong :D

[Chibitea]

yep.. if raki didn't become a half human -half yoma of any kind through the 7 years time skip ...then yes ..if they get together and he stays human he will age while clare won't ...but oh well that's how it goes ... happy momments don't last much in claymore ..:lol: ...

But then again ..Claire IS a half-human ..Half - yoma ... so if she sees Raki getting too many
wrinkles i think she could share her "yomaness" with him and stop him from aging ...

[Krasnij Lis]

But then again ..Claire IS a half-human ..Half - yoma ... so if she sees Raki getting too many
wrinkles i think she could share her "yomaness" with him and stop him from aging ...

ummm....Claymores are not vampires. they can't share their "Yomaness", and besides, that would mean Clare would have to put some of her flesh in raki. That would be a dumb idea because A: It would make Raki a human-Yoma hybrid and B: Only the organization knows how to make it successful, and Clare wouldn't even want to do that.

[EightySix]

ahh but something could have happened to Raki during his stay with Isley. Isley might know how to convert him into a yoma although I doubt he wants a half yoma...

[Krasnij Lis]

I don't think so, Isley may be smart, but he's no scientist. Like I said before, even making him a Claymore's chances are very low. Its not a simple thing to do, I'll bet on it that it took decades for the first members of the organization to get the first Claymore generation successful. and lets face it, we are talking in medieval times here, not a futuristic setting with genetic modification and all around.

[Devi]

The possiblity for Raki to become Claymore is there, but I just have this feeling that it won't happen. There's no need for it and aside for creating an equal footing for Raki and Clare, or seriously torturing her with an awakened Raki (because, be honest, how long is a male that finds a sensation akin to orgasm pulsing through their veins once or twice a month going to last before they start doing it for fun?)

And, reading over the previous post, I really don't think that Raki and Prissy are going to be in a relationship. For one thing, if Isley found out, he'd probably rip Raki to pieces, throw his guts into a frying pan with some butter and garlic and have a very nice breakfast. Not to mention living with a psychopathic, mentally deranged girl-woman who could go scary day or night, and a guy who transforms into a black tentacle centaur with bow attachments, Raki hasn't going to have noticed that everything is not alright, especially with Prissy and Isley going out for 'meals' at odd hours of the night....

[Oink McOink]

For one thing, if Isley found out, he'd probably rip Raki to pieces, throw his guts into a frying pan with some butter and garlic and have a very nice breakfast.

Nah, Isley considers himself Priscilla's subordinate after losing to her.. I think Isley has too much of a pride to get his emotion get the better of him.. Plus the Raki and Pris thing.. I'll be a weird match..weird..

[neto_360]

I don't believe that Raki will become a Claymore. He might feel as though he doesn't do much for Clare, but he supports her in a different way than she supports him.

Clare is an awesome character. I think she is very well developed as far as her background and it is nice to see her growth as the manga/anime have come out.

I'm a bit sad that no new volumes/episodes have come out though...

[Chibitea]

the chapters (sadly) come out once a month.. .. usually the first days of each month ..... so

reading Claymore it's all about patience .... and yoki supression.. lol

[Aegis]

Really, giving Isley the knowledge to convert someone into a Claymore just makes him less interesting, IMO. While I wouldn't be disappointed if he had such ability, giving him a means and knowledge to do such a thing kinda goes against his character anyways. This kind of characteristic suits Riful more, and even then I wouldn't want anyone other than the Organization to be able to create Claymores.

At any rate, why am I talking about Isley in a Clare thread? o.O

Well, my take on Clare, she doesn't quite appeal to me the way Teresa, Galatea, Priscilla, Miria, or the AOs, but is still a cool character given the persecution she faces for being a number 47. I especially liked how she's become stronger over time and done so without the DBZ feel of a character suddenly jumping 13875987689235 levels and end up freakishly godly. Heck, just her will and personal experiences have made her something well beyond what her numerical label suggests. A new right arm along with the Flash Sword technique also helps. :P

[SaroVati]

Yes I agree with Aegis. Unlike DBZ, Clare actually did grow stronger gradually, which makes the story more believable. Funny thing is, all the things people refer to as 'bad' and stuff always roots from DBZ xD. Good thing they made it or no1 would be able to relate repetitive and obvious stuff to :)

[ahmedamine24]

Who cares anyway? Seven years. I can already see a romance between Clare and a Raki in his fresh yet mature twenties. Oh my GOSH. Maybe some erotism (I mean, after all that fanservice, nudity, and nearly all Claymores are real beauts) and THEN, whatever Teresa showed to those men when they wanted to rape her: a touching dramatic scene of acceptance, or maybe a breakup. Let Raki kiss Clare this time. And what if Ysley really is a SANE awakened being and doesn't actually eat any innards? I mean, he is so classy! Then Clare might be able to awaken too AND remain "human". And what if the organisation is the one responsible for the existence and reproduction of the Youma? Never seen such suspicious priests in my life!!!

[AfterDawn]

Who knows? Maybe Clare will meet with Raki in some town. They would go to a cafe and drink a cup of coffee. Raki will tell Clare that: "I've married 2 years ago, Priscilla is my wife now. We have 2 year old kid in our house now." That would be more interesting.

[Krasnij Lis]

haha, nice joke mate

[Chibitea]

..... well let the Clare/Raki/Priscilla/ISley Love square randomness beginn ..:lol: lol ... that's gonna be the final battle lol.. Clare finds out about Raki /Priscilla ..goes nuts and awakens .. then goes and tells Isley the truth .. and they both join forces against them ..... in the mean time the rest of the seven get bored of the whole love square thing (lol) .. and decide to go and take the org without clare .. there they find riful who has done half the job already and end up helping her ... in the end Riful wins ..Miria takes control of the org and they all live happilly ever after ..except for the 4 idiots who are still fighting ....lol ..

wow ...that was random.. :lol: ...

Now seriously i think it's about time for raki to show up so we can see how things work out now that he's a "man" (woww .. raki and man on the same sentence...:lol:) ...and i think they 'll meet in a fight or something ...raki coming outta nowhere and saving clare something like that ...i think it would be beyond akward if they just meet like in a normal way (clare arrives to town and sees raki ..they say hi wazaa ...= LAMEEE)

BTW Do u think Yagi will put some Shoujoness in the mix and hook up Clare with Raki or that they'll just be commrades or something ?...

[Krasnij Lis]

personally I see Clare and Raki's relationship the one of a brother and sister, not the romance boyfriend girlfriend kind.

[kusiobache]

i hope clare fights now like teresa, u know without releasing the yoki power, i mean she isnt as strong as teresa so a little bit is fine, but before when it was all like omg 80% release and then it was still hard to win for clare i really did not enjoy that.

now like what happened last chapter with the windcutter and barely using and yoki that i think is a much better way for clare to fight

ps. i just felt like using improper english =P

[Playmore]

Remember Padme and Anakin in Star wars... Anakin was a little kid when he first met the princess... Few years later he...*)&%9&$#@^%*)&* Padme >.>
Please don't make a remake of that in Claymore.

I don't think Yagi will start a romance between those 2... (well hope/wish too).

What would be nice or funny.. is that Clare seeing Cid... give him a surprise payback kiss... :thumbup:
remember she said "a town that she has links to..." maybe she came back for Cid :D

[kusiobache]

they probably just sensed a decent yoma energy and decided they would need to help.

hopefully the mangaka doesnt make it like DBZ where a half is stronger than a full. like how gohan was half saiyan he had a *special power* hopefull cuz clare is 1/4 she wont have *special powers* and will just keep working hard

[Chibitea]

:lol: ..yeah that padme .. she was like 84393 years older than anakin ... and unlike claymore she did keep aging ..so that was a pretty WTF moment in star wars ..lol

Few years later he...*)&%9&$#@^%*)&* Padme >.> Lol ..just lol ...

About the Cid part ...

Clare: "You won't destroy a town i have links to that easily..u Agasa B%$ch

Raki comes outta nowhere .....

Raki: (Crying) ...Clareeeeee ! i knew u would come back 4 me (Crying louder)

Clare: oh ....you ? i meant Cid ...

Cid: Let's go Clare ....

Raki Goes to a corner and guess what .....he starts Crying (againnnn)

....:lol:

[Aegis]

hopefully the mangaka doesnt make it like DBZ where a half is stronger than a full. like how gohan was half saiyan he had a *special power* hopefull cuz clare is 1/4 she wont have *special powers* and will just keep working hard

If Clare and Clarice are any indication, I wouldn't worry about such a thing happening whatsoever.

[jack4s]

do you think that clarice is new try of making 1/4 yoma?

all that clare need now is to fully master flash sword.
she allmoust complited windcuter, so now she can move to flash sword training.
irene said to her that she will never be able to use real flash sword, but in those 7 years she calm down and she raise her mental power whic is needed in bouth windcutter and for flash sword. before training she was able to use only about 2/3 (or less, 1/2?) of real potencial of a flash sword.

mental power- to stay calm in all situations and to be able to controle your emotions.
all claymores need it in order to stay in a form of claymore, power to keep yoma power under controle.

so if she complite flash sword and raise her sensing ability to teresas stage.
she will be unstopable.
successor of no.1 teresa and of no.2 irene, no.47 clare.

[Dantrag]

Clare can't use flash sword because flash sword requires the person to release yoki. And if Clare were to release any yoki, the org & ABs would immediatelly sense her and so much for the advantage of 7 years of yoki surpression. If she released any yoki she'd not only endanger herself but her comrades as well.

[Twi]

Once the organization finds out they are alive and everyone's fighting, then she can use flash sword cause they may need yoki to fight

[Oink McOink]

Even if the ghost brigade were to be found out by the Black coats doesn't mean they will go all out again.. after all, the enemy not knowing your location would be a great advantage on your side since you can come and go as you wish..

[Aegis]

I'm just curious as to why using moves like the Flash Sword or the old Phantom Mirage is considered 'better' because of heavy use of yoki. If anything, the fact that those moves requires heavy use of yoki is the reason why they shouldn't go back to these moves given the limits a claymore can use such moves before they tax themselves out or risk turning into an awakened being. Stealth may have been a major reason for mastering these moves, but you also gotta consider the other major benefits for using those moves, such as the increased accuracy of the Wind Cutter and the increased usage despite the drop in power due to requiring less yoki to wield, or the new mirage's near limitless usage along with its improved agility for only a tiny tiny drop in speed.

[fallingstarz]

^ Yeah I agree. I feel that attacks that can kick enemy's *** without the use of Yoki power are the better ones, just like how Teresa attacks with her swordsmanship

[Chibitea]

Well ..Teresa could kick an abyssal one's *** even with a paperclip ..so i think no one can be compared to her.. XD

on the other hand ..i think that now that they dont need to be hiding that much it would be a good balance to combine the moves and techniques they have all mastered with a moderate amount of yoki release ...probably their already impresive techniques effectiveness would increase even more with the yoki release

[jack4s]

teresa was allways special case and teresa would with no problem keep up with flash sword wich is about 2-5 times faster than wind cutter with yoma energy.
and she did that without any techniques.

flash sword can have the same accuracy as windcutter, that was shown by Irene (pearson who creature the original flash sword), but clare have now to littre mental power to support complite flash sword.

it's true that wind cutter and new mirrage are more usefull in normal fights, but they two become useless in combats against realy powerful enemys.

awakened ones are using all time 100% of thair yoma power.

[Aegis]

flash sword can have the same accuracy as windcutter, that was shown by Irene (pearson who creature the original flash sword), but clare have now to littre mental power to support complite flash sword.

Irene is also a different creature altogether compared to Clare or even Flora. As a former number 2 demoted to a number 3 of Teresa's generation, Irene was simply a much stronger and more skilled claymore in general, so her ability to wield the Flash Sword is much more impressive.

The only thing I don't truly understand is how the Windcutter itself requires less yoki compared to the Flash Sword. Otherwise, both attacks are quite comparable when wielded by Flora and Clare, and if you can use an alternative without having to exert so much yoki into it and still essentially get the same effect, might as well use that alternative.

it's true that wind cutter and new mirrage are more usefull in normal fights, but they two become useless in combats against realy powerful enemys.

awakened ones are using all time 100% of thair yoma power.

And why do you think that? Nothing in the pages have shown the moves to be any less effective than their old moves whatsoever. In fact, the pages tell quite the opposite, with the inability to muster enough yoki to maintain their moves a serious impediment to the amount of use they can give while using their old moves. Miria's new mirage, in particular, blatantly shows that it's actually very close to the Phantom Mirage in terms of speed while she can perform more agile and trickier moves that she otherwise couldn't do before, all at a cost of virtually no yoki whatsover and thus without any limit, while Clare's Windcutter looks hardly any different from her Flash Sword in terms of deadliness other than she can do so without the excessive yoki release that she needed back then.

A move requiring more yoki does not mean they're stronger; Teresa, Miata, and Priscilla, while freaks in their own rights, have shown it's more than possible to tear up awakened beings without having to exert lots of yoki. The seven themselves, having trained to fight with their yoki suppressed, have shown to at least be as effective in their attacks without the need to use so much yoki, and they've thus far managed to do so in escaping from Riful followed by tearing apart Agatha later on. And as far as fighting 'stronger opponents' are concerned, they either barely survived or had their butts handed to them even with massive yoki exertion, so why would it now make a difference with low yoki exertion? Again, the amount of yoki released to perform a move does NOT make it stronger.

I can definitely agree with Chibitea's thoughts that, should the seven be forced to a situation where they'd have to release more yoki to beat someone, then their moves would be exponentially stronger considering they're already doing so without all that yoki release to begin with.

[kazuki_yuki92]

if claire use flash sword maybe one awaked being death just one cut her sword..hahahaha....:devil:
i curios about claire and another yoki..
on claire and another helo galatea they don't use yoki,run on riful,don't use yokii...humm...
claire maybe have 25% Teresa ability..so far if claire can master of Teresa ability...has a many time for training that....:ninja:

[jack4s]

irenes main power was here huge mental power, wich was on same or higher stage than ex-number 9.
flash sword is realy dangerous tehnic compare to windcutter.
flash sword- need a realy huge mental power allmoust monsterios mental power.
because flash sword is full realese of yoma in one arm 100%, so if you don't have enoght mental power you will awakened. she allmoust awake her arm.
wind cutter is safer tehnique in wich she realese her yoma in whole body to 80%.

clares flash sword can't be compare irenes
-her power is only about half of irenes.
-she could only used it for 1 min
-she can't controle it, only by using yoma she can to some point, but that is only partly controle
-hes speed is too about only 1/2 of irenes

can you compare about 60% flash sword to 100% wind cutter?
and say that wind cutter is that much better, is realy useful in small battles, but not much more.

those pearsons are special cases, thair ammo of yoma is insane, so thair 9%(before thairs eyes change) of yoma will be about the same as someones claymores 50%, thats all to it.

they could escaped, because riful couldn't trace them.

yoma is double edge sword, it gives you huge power but only for limited time and there is risik if awakening.

we have never seen teresas 80% so it would be realy hard to compare clares 120% to teresas 29%

[Aegis]

And what makes you think that they're using their techniques at one hundred percent in the first place? Irene's main advantage also happens to be because she herself is a freakishly powerful claymore, surpassed back then only by Teresa and Pris; concentration may have been part of it, but so is her strength. Clare herself can't really hope to reach that kind of level because of the fact that the arm doesn't belong to her, AND that she is still no Irene.

In that same vein, Flora also doesn't hold a candle to Irene, especially when you consider that the strength difference between a number 6 to a number five is far more exponential than all other ranks, so it wouldn't be surprising that Flora's Windcutter would likely be weaker than Irene's Flash Sword because Flora herself is just that much weaker. This statement, by the way, is reinforced through dialogue when Miria warned Clare, Helen, and Deneve to avoid going up against numbers one through five.

All that you've been saying not only repeats what I've already said, but also merely reinforces my point: if they don't need to exert so much yoki into their moves and still maintain the same deadliness as before, then they don't need to revert back to their old moves. Teresa, Priscilla, and Miata are so powerful that they don't need to exert so much yoki to defeat most opponents, and the seven have developed new moves that end up being effective without the excessive yoki release that it becomes unnecessary to go back to their old moves.

[jack4s]

a allready said that teresa, priscila nad miata are special cases, because thairs power is so huge that thairs power in non yoma use is on same stage as of those who use yoma to limits.
and thats because they have soo huge ammo of yoma, that thairs 9% of all yoma is the same as high stage realise of lower claymores.
even in basic stage claymore still are using yoma power, but less than 9%, so thairs eyes color doesn't change.
but you must know that yoma energy isn't everything, if that was true than clare would be dead a long time ago and teresa would die in a first moment in fighting with priscila at 70%.
now moves are good and usefull, but in fight with someone as powerful as rigardo they become useless.

[Playmore]

now moves are good and usefull, but in fight with someone as powerful as rigardo they become useless.

Rigardo while very powerful it was his speed that was his main strength. Miria in the past was limited with her old mirage, with her new mirage she would fight him without using an once of yoki. Clare at that time had to awaken her legs to at least match his speed or go faster.
Also Rigardo was very good at sensing yoki. In the battle, he targeted and swiftly hit all the captains. Now if Rigardo was still alive he would probably lost against our ghosts since they can fight/hide their yoki, he wouldn't know maybe were the threat could come from.
Those new techs are absolutely not useless. If our ghosts were that strong and had all those skills... the war would have had a different outcome.

[jack4s]

miria was barely able to keep up with him with old mirage, so how should she keep up with slower tehnique.
is ntrue that she can use it for long time, but if she can't keep up than is useless

[Keiichi]

Plus any Claymore can sense the yoki of stronger ones, but only Clare, Teresa, and Galatea can actually fight while reading the opponent's yoki.

[Aegis]

miria was barely able to keep up with him with old mirage, so how should she keep up with slower tehnique.
is ntrue that she can use it for long time, but if she can't keep up than is useless

You make it sound like the speed drop was HUGE. The actual speed difference as according to the manga between the two is so TINY that it's negligible. Along with that, as the manga clearly states, her movements have now become less crude and more precise, a trait that is even MORE important than pure speed. Add in the real advantage, which is no more reliance on yoki release, and Miria becomes an even tougher opponent to hit.

And it's not simply the amount of yoki that has made Pris, Teresa, and Miata so strong; their base strength is also incredibly high as well. Remember, Teresa, Miata, and Pris have fought and beaten demons and the like with their yoki suppressed. Think about, if the explanation for their power is simply based on their reserves, and their release is based on the percentage comparable to said reserves, then why is it that Teresa couldn't sense Pris' approach? Why is Pris able to fight Teresa the way she did before her own recklessness showed through? Before even all that, how come Noel and Sohpia didn't sense Pris while she was busy hacking away at the rest of the yoma in the village? How the heck did Miata manage to fight when those pills she took kept her from releasing her own yoki? You put so much emphasis on their level of yoki that you've also neglected the fact that claymores in of themselves are also naturally powerful, a fact that the seven built up even further during the whole timeskip.

[jack4s]

if you are telling that, than how was clare able to fight with miria, when she didn't realising any yoma?
even in non combat situations they still are using yoma energy, but litter compare to realise.

priscila is the same as teresa they fight long time without yoma so thair yoma become harder to read. soon after priscila realise her yoma, she was allready on a ground.
miata have six seanse,

pills forcely seal yoma energy and change eyes color, so it wouldn't be strange if they still are leaking some yoma, but only small ammo

[bleachlover20053]

holy crap claire is so strong now, i mean the whole organization could be agaisnt her and she could annhiliate them in like couple of seconds (maybe not alicia and beth). its so freaking unbelieveable how weak the organization has gotten or how jacked claire turned into.

i wonder if claire sees Raki and Priscilla together how she will react, would her feelings for raki overcome her hatred for priscilla or the other way around>?

[Aegis]

if you are telling that, than how was clare able to fight with miria, when she didn't realising any yoma?
even in non combat situations they still are using yoma energy, but litter compare to realise.

Simple. Their base strength has been raised. Not only did I state that in my last post, it's also been explained in the mangas themselves: Miria's new mirage is a result of her natural speed being raised through her training in order to compensate for the yoki suppression, while Clare trained herself to fully utilise Irene's arm in order to eventually be able to use Flora's Windcutter.

priscila is the same as teresa they fight long time without yoma so thair yoma become harder to read. soon after priscila realise her yoma, she was allready on a ground.
miata have six seanse,

Yes, I know all that, but those examples don't even address my point. For the likes of Teresa, Priscilla, and Miata, you said that they have lots of yoki in their bodies (which is true especially for Pris and Teresa). You also said that a ten percent release for Teresa is a much larger amount than a ten percent for, say, Yuma. Even something like a five percent release for the likes of Priscilla or Teresa would be far more noticeable than with someone like a Clare or even a Miria. Yet given the amount of strength they've shown relative to the yoki they had released (which comes off as little to none), the percentage doesn't add up.

Miata had virtually no yoki released due to the pills yet she tore apart beasts like they're meat. Teresa often suppresses the actual amount of yoki she has and is still freakishly strong with the amount she DOES reveal, and Pris at best released a small trickle to beat off the village of yoma and face off against Teresa. Now you have the seven who, after training themselves to fight without yoki release, have shown themselves to be even stronger than their pre-skip days when they DID have to release yoki to utilise their techniques. I don't care if anyone thinks lowly of Agatha; while she was more show than substance compared to Rigardo, she is still a former number 2 who would likely skewer most claymore, and the seven made this look pathetically easy.

Percentage and quantity of yoki may have a correlation to a claymore's strength, but the relationship is not consistent as you think.

pills forcely seal yoma energy and change eyes color, so it wouldn't be strange if they still are leaking some yoma, but only small ammo

That still means that a claymore can't release the right amount of yoki necessary to perform their typical moves, ergo, they'd have to rely more on their regular strength. For any claymore to only be capable of releasing yoki at a much lower volume to the point that it can't be detected, that volume would still have to be incredibly tiny, no matter how strong said claymore is. Tiny yoki, one ends up ripping hundreds of yoma like nothing while another nearly got killed just fighting one. Therefore, just because one technique requires more yoki release than the other does NOT make it stronger.

[jack4s]

if we look we have 3 stages of claymores
-first with so huge yoma energy that they can break every thing in thair way (only teresa miata priscila and lower first stage riful with other 3, alica, beth,rafaela)
-second are normal claymores with normal ammo of yoma, but they are allready much weaker to the first stage, normal stage we could break on two, those in first 5 and those with 6-30. (every one else to number 30)
-and third stage is the weakest claymores with lower ammo of yoma. (all others who are waeker than second group.)

there are special cases in third group who have power of high second group, but from second to first that is other thing.
the hole between first and second is realy huge, so without realy powerful tehnique or realy huge ammo of yoma energy. you can't even begin to compare them.

[SaroVati]

Wow it's really funny that people think that the Flash Sword is BARELY faster and stronger than the Windcutter. Sure Flora was alot weaker than Irene so it was obviously slower, but still. People think Clare is 1/2 of the speed Irene was at. LOL that is funny. Irene stated that Clare could barely hit 1/10 of the speed Irene was at and Clare could only hold that for so long. Add in injuries, moving, and other stuff, and her mental capacity will just break. 1 minute of 10x slower than Irene. Now, Flora on the other hand has a quick skill herself. But look at it logically, Flora has to RESHEATH her claymore after every swing. I know this is an anime but isn't it logical it would take longer to unsheath, attack, resheath etc etc than just slashing? I mean sure, her "slashing speed" would be very fast, but her time in between each slash could be big. Say Flora slashed it at like 100mph or something, and Irene only slashed at 150-200mph (big understatement but w/e). Irene slashes again with barely any time in between (maybe .1 seconds) but Flora has to wait like 0.5 seconds. Irene will get like 20 shots of something stronger off when Flora gets 4......

What I'm trying to say is, if Clare actually did 'master' the Flash Sword, or even getting to a speed that is say 80% of Irenes, it would be more effective than the Windcutter. Irene was quite a monster in terms of power, so 80% of her signature technique + some of Clares would make Clare REALLY strong.

Also about the things regarding how Miria's new Mirage is barely slower and stuff..... No. Just plain no lol. Yes, she increased her base speed dramatically which is a HUGE factor, and she also was more precise, but seriously. If she was already aware of her limits and consequences of using too much Yoki, why didn't she invent this skill, or even begin it earlier? If she concealed her Yoki, it would work to her advantage since she is more stealthy anyways....

And yes, if she faces a REAL threat like say an Abyssal One or a VERY strong AB (top 5 ranks when they awakened), her yoki mirage would be of more use. Think about it to whoever it concerns, if she did NOT need Yoki and this technique was pretty much on par or better than her old Mirage, WHY THE HELL DONT NORMAL HUMANS LEARN IT? THEY DON'T NEED YOKI TO DO IT, SO THIS WOULD WORK! Exactly, because it isn't superior lol. It makes her move alot faster, and wtf would Rigardo do if he sensed Miria's yoki now? If she was smart, she would use it to her advantage and trick him lol.

[Aegis]

<snip> so without realy powerful tehnique or realy huge ammo of yoma energy. you can't even begin to compare them.

But I thought you said that a technique by itself is useless. :P Afterall, the seven trained themselves to find alternatives to their old moves, and so far, those new moves saved a few hides and turned one overgrown monster into mincemeat in a few seconds; in the past, they'd have taken much longer and sustained some injuries before they finally slay even a lower leveled awakened being.

The point of what I've been saying all along is simply this: a move's usefulness in any given situation is not limited by the amount of yoki released. Other claymore have shown they can kick butt without the need to release yoki, and we now have techniques developed to compensate for the lower yoki release itself.

SaroVati:
Make no mistake, I think we're all aware that sooner or later, the seven will eventually be facing someone or something VERY powerful, and thus they will have to release their yoki in order to stand up to such opposition. This in itself isn't a debate.

Having said all this, I wouldn't put down the new moves as being useless or much weaker compared to the originals either. First, while it's stated that Clare can only use one tenth of the Flash Sword's strength, it's also stated by Irene herself that the move becomes half the strength and speed of the original when Clare wields it with Irene's arm instead. The Flash Sword that Flora faced is not the ten percent speed that is implied. By that token, it just says that, as far as everyone else is concerned, the Flash Sword looks impressive because Irene made it look impressive. Second, the very fact that this IS a manga series is reason why you can't use the logic of a sword drawing move to a quick slashing move; afterall, the Windcutter used by Clare compared to her Flash Sword is supposedly more accurate even though she keeps drawing the sword from her back. Third, because of the disparity between the likes of Flora and Clare, while Clare herself is using borrowed strength to use both moves, you really can't say which move is truly the better move but for Clare's sake, the Windcutter is still the better alternative since she doesn't require the yoki release needed, thus can use it more indefinitely even in more tougher situations.

And as for Miria and her mirages, why doesn't she use that move in the first place? Because at that time, she didn't know how to suppress her yoki while using such a move in the past. There wasn't really a need to suppress her yoki before until the time came when the seven survivors had to feign their deaths for the long term. Thus, Miria trained herself to use the mirage without the yoki bursts needed. And the statement of the move being slightly slower but more precise and limitless in use and therefore is more superior than the original is stated in the manga itself. Until otherwise, I'm not gonna argue against the creator himself. :P

And lets also not forget, claymores are physically superior to humans in the first place; you can't expect a human to do such moves since they're fodder food. :P The most you can really say about these new moves is that yoki is being used but at a much more tinier level; still doesn't mean that a move with tiny yoki release is gonna be useless in 'abnormal' situations.

[jack4s]

we must not forget that irene only shown her base of flash sword and not complite tehinque.
so clare have to complite flash sword on her own, as she is rising her own power speed and mental power.
on other hand she saw floras complite windcutter, and she complite it on floras sample. and miria said that she is now using full potencial of that arm (i think is meant for in non yoma state), so she have 100% of wind cutter, but her flash sword is still on about 60-70% of complition.

[SaroVati]

And as for Miria and her mirages, why doesn't she use that move in the first place? Because at that time, she didn't know how to suppress her yoki while using such a move in the past. There wasn't really a need to suppress her yoki before until the time came when the seven survivors had to feign their deaths for the long term. Thus, Miria trained herself to use the mirage without the yoki bursts needed. And the statement of the move being slightly slower but more precise and limitless in use and therefore is more superior than the original is stated in the manga itself. Until otherwise, I'm not gonna argue against the creator himself. :P

And lets also not forget, claymores are physically superior to humans in the first place; you can't expect a human to do such moves since they're fodder food. :P The most you can really say about these new moves is that yoki is being used but at a much more tinier level; still doesn't mean that a move with tiny yoki release is gonna be useless in 'abnormal' situations.

Lol, yes i have stated that Claymores are physically superior to humans by ALOT. But lets see, if that guy with the sword from the Holy City Arc (Dunno his name, Gauk?) can actually cut a Yoma, then if he learnt how to 'Mirage' with no Yoki, he could still do it. Lets say Miria's new Mirage goes 25-35x, maybe even more faster than what Gauk can do, his so called Mirage would still go at amazing speeds for a human.

[jack4s]

whay do you think they made claymores in first place if humans could kill yomas,
because humans are to weak and to slow to kill yomas.
and about mirage, meby 1 in 1000 years, could use that tehnique, and that is to small ammo of people, to get any efect in combat.
people's are to fragile to fight yomas, and they can't fight face to face, only from behind, and people can't find other yoma's, so humans are useless for fighting yomas.

[SaroVati]

Yeah obviously humans weren't designed to take out Yoma.... Just saying that if new Mirage was as fast as the old Mirage, this would probably be the outcome lol. Lol this thread is getting way off topic :) turned into a Miria thread lol.

Back on topic, does Clare ever use her Yoki sensing ability she recieved from Teresa anymore? Looks like to me, it's just Quicksword and Windcutter now.

[Dantrag]

It's more like a group of skilled humans might be able to take down some yomas and in some rare cases a single person might be able to fight one on one with a yoma and win but seriously, the main reason why they needed claymores was because there simply wasn't enough people like that to cover the entire world.

Imagine you send a hundred trained soldiers to fight village/small town that has become a nest of yoma? You'll never hear from any of those soldiers again.

[SaroVati]

Lol, yeah Claymore's were created to take down Yoma. But how did the black coat's get their first Yoma to implant in a persons body? And plus, they would need to experiment for a while first before they get it right, so are the people from the Org. actually amazing humans or Claymore's themselves? Either way, it shows that humans can indeed kill Yoma, and even tame them/take them hostage.

[Tekkaman Saber]

Probably a combination of bait and a strong net........

[SaroVati]

Probably a combination of bait and a strong net........

LOL, definately haha.

[crimsongenocide]

can claymores get pregnant?

[Aegis]

Excuse me for bringing this up, but I completely forgot about this...

whay do you think they made claymores in first place if humans could kill yomas,
because humans are to weak and to slow to kill yomas.
and about mirage, meby 1 in 1000 years, could use that tehnique, and that is to small ammo of people, to get any efect in combat.
people's are to fragile to fight yomas, and they can't fight face to face, only from behind, and people can't find other yoma's, so humans are useless for fighting yomas.

Who said anything about using human strength? Why are humans brought up anyways? When I say natural strength, I mean the natural strength of a claymore without yoki release. With the way they were going about the moves and the suppression and all, I really doubt that every source of their strength must require yoki, or at least a release anyways, and given that a claymore or a yoma is simply much stronger than a human being, it only makes sense that their pure strength or speed by itself is already quite high. And with the training that Clare, Miria, and everyone has gone about over the seven years, I wouldn't be surprised to see moves as effective as the original. Much like it was with Teresa's 'true strength' that ends up contradicting what others have said, until we see otherwise, we might as well take what is given at face value.

Lol, yes i have stated that Claymores are physically superior to humans by ALOT. But lets see, if that guy with the sword from the Holy City Arc (Dunno his name, Gauk?) can actually cut a Yoma, then if he learnt how to 'Mirage' with no Yoki, he could still do it. Lets say Miria's new Mirage goes 25-35x, maybe even more faster than what Gauk can do, his so called Mirage would still go at amazing speeds for a human.

Well... I think I see what you're getting at, though one nitpick. A regular yoma doesn't exactly have a particularly tough hide, and even some awakened beings vary in toughness, so if a man can get close enough to cut a yoma, then of course he'll cut him regardless. :P

[marsipulami]

can claymores get pregnant?

Interesting, furthermore can AB get pregnant?
I gues not but diddnt see any proof to anyside, maybe

[shelter]

Interesting, furthermore can AB get pregnant?
I gues not but diddnt see any proof to anyside, maybe

Heh. That came out of the blue.

You're right: it's not really mentioned explicitly. But the nature & social status of Claymores & ABs means that no human would probably even want to be in the same room with them.

And there's Yagi's suggested (but not revealed) process of Claymores being fused with yoma flesh to give them their current nature. The inference I get from this process is that their bodies are too damaged for anything of the sort you've suggested. Same goes folr ABs.

Yagi might pull a surprise on us though.

[BadDrizztfan]

I don't think that Claymores can get pregnant, after all Teresa didn't mind being raped even though she could have easily prevented it... IF she could have ended up with a child after that, I think she wouldn't have had that kind of attitude^^ (just imagine, Teresa with a sweet little baby on her back... she wouldn't have a chance to frighten any village anymore T.T)

About ABs... since Claymore tend to have a human form that resembles their original appearance (i.e. how they looked before becoming a Claymore) after they've awakened maybe they also regain the ability of reproduction. However, some ABs have lovers (like Riful and... Grumphy-Dumphy (forgot the real name xD)) but they, too, don't seem to get pregnant.
Maybe they would need a human lover to do it... well, I doubt that would make sense o.o (or maybe only the male ones can do it? xD)

Argh, first Post and it's already offtopic...

Can't let that happen! xD

So, about Clare...

I like her <(^.^<)

[Chibitea]

Well Agatha told Cid that when in human form she was just like any other woman so maybe when they become ABs they can revert to their exact human form with no yoma parts in them(this would explain the change to their original hair color too) so maybe in that form they could get pregnant .. but since there was been no explanation about it from Yagi i guess at this point only theories can be made ...

[Aegis]

I don't think that Claymores can get pregnant, after all Teresa didn't mind being raped even though she could have easily prevented it... IF she could have ended up with a child after that, I think she wouldn't have had that kind of attitude^^ (just imagine, Teresa with a sweet little baby on her back... she wouldn't have a chance to frighten any village anymore T.T)

Actually, Teresa allowed the bandit to rape her simply because she stopped caring, period. Pregnancy wasn't an issue as much as she just seems sick and tired of... whatever.

Um... why do we even want to know if claymores can procreate? o.O;

Argh, first Post and it's already offtopic...

Can't let that happen! xD

So, about Clare...

I like her <(^.^<)

*snickers*

Yes, and she looks sexy in short, black skirts. :devil:

[SaroVati]

Yeah, AB's can apparently reproduce since Agatha was trying to "seduce" Cid. Claymore's on the other hand, I'm pretty sure can't. If they could, I'm sure the Org. would've tried to get Teresa pregnant and have her spawn like 10 god-like children. Their toys would be like Yoma when they are young xD.

[Aegis]

I don't exactly see this as seducing to have baby Aggies, as opposed to seducing because she's hot, naked, and horny. :P

[jack4s]

helen said that raki can't be clares children, and she said that he is her toy, probably "sex". so claymore can't have babys.

ab are probably the same, because yoma can't have childrens, because they are made by organizacion.

but clare meby could before she become halfawakened.
so clarica could be her child, not

[s2anime]

Wow...I've need thought about the possibility of procreation happening between Yoma or even Claymore for that matter. But it does pose a very interesting possibility I admit. My personal thoughts are that the Claymore's themselves cant procreate as someone mentioned, else the organization would have just experimented with that as well....(Those Sicko's).

As for the Yoma, I wouldn't think so myself, but I guess there is a possibility, even though they come in different forms such as snake form with Orphelia or humanoid form as Prissy or even "Horsey" form as Isley, procreation isn't out of the question. But if it was true, then humans would probably be extinct with the amount of little Yomas running around... >.>"

[moonasha]

We really don't have enough information to know whether claymores can reproduce or not. If they could, wtf would even pop out? If they were to do it with a human, theres a 50% the offspring will be yoma free, since the claymore is 50% human.

I think yagi is intentionally leaving this unanswered, so he can fit it in with whatever story he develops....

[SaroVati]

Whoa this has gotten so off course it's not even funny xD Clare thread turned into Yoma thread lmao.

To get back on topic, I think Clare has gotten ALOT stronger, but stronger than Miria? Miata said that she sensed 2 Yoki that were far greater than the rest. I'm assuming she was talking about the 7 only, and that it was Miria and Clare. If so, who is stronger now? I think it is Miria atm, but overall, Clare might be more useful, as she has more techniques for different situations. Miria only has the Mirage, but obviously better in group combat (she was better than #1 as stated by Ophelia) and I think better in single combat as speed, power, and swordsmanship are what mostly decides those

[marsipulami]

I would say Clare, but i just like her so much so I am not very "objective" when it comes to Clare, even with that small thing, I would say Clare is now much stronger then before, she is not anymore that weak insecure girl from start of manga, much have happened and she have grown in power most of all 7

[jack4s]

we don't know who is more powerful but we know that thairs powers are realy close to each other and all in group respect clare as much as miria.
it look like clare is second in command in group. and clare is quite smart herself and calculative, but not as much as miria and galatea.
so those two powerful ones are allmoust for sure clare and miria.

i think clare and miria are the strongest and they lead group.
seconds are deneve and helene
and third are others 3, they are used as support.

[BadDrizztfan]

But... what's about Yuma? :lol:


The one thing which makes Clare incredibly strong... is her voluntary awakening. And I think in those past seven years, with all the Yoki Surpression and the training she may be able to keep her human mind easier and better than before (no need for anybody to sacrifice him/herself anymore)
But, well... even without the awakening stuff Clare is very strong. After all she can use 2 skills which make her nearly invincible (sense Yoki and, with her incredible speed and accuracy, defend against nearly every attack without much effort)
Same goes for Miria... even if she only needs 1 skill to be nearly invincible :lol:

[jack4s]

true it was said thet clare increased her concentration, that she can use full potencial of irene's arm in non yoma state.
if her concentracion went up the same did mental power so she can last much longer than before.
and now she would be able to use quick sword better and longer and it would be more controlable.

Yuma is in group of 3 wich support others, she is probably the weakest in group, but her number would be about 20-25, but we dont know because they aren't in organizacion anymore.
or did you want to know something else?

[BadDrizztfan]

Yuma is in group of 3 wich support others, she is probably the weakest in group, but her number would be about 20-25, but we dont know because they aren't in organizacion anymore.
or did you want to know something else?

A joke, a joke was all I meant :lol:
(or well... maybe Yuma develops an Instant-Kill "look-at-my-wrinkles" technique :eek:)

And why Quick Sword? She's using Windcutter right now^^ And I'm not really sure if Quick Sword would be better... (did you even want to say that? xD However, need to fill this post with some content :lol:)
1) it needs Yoki
2) less accuracy (even if concentration and, thus, mental power increased... I actually think that even Irene couldn't control the Quick Sword completely... even though she did use it a hundred times more effective than clare :P)
3) although it may be more powerful than Windcutter... you must consider that Windcutter is used without Yoki-Powers... now think of a Windcutter improved with Yoki...^^

[jack4s]

quick sword is faster and more powerful.

if you add yoma to windcutter you will get more power and speed, but still woun't be the same as quick sword and by adding yoma acc. will go down.

quick sword is useful for realy strong enemy, where you need speed and power much more than acc.

We know that Irene created quick sword and she was master in using it, but we don't know if she mastered it to limit of the skill.

[ptsome110]

With that I think the debate btw quick sword vs windcutter is over. So let me introduce a new topic:

1)
http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/4/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/13/30/
Claymore deformity. What exactly is it? Is it just scars? Or is it a mutation or something?
Also can claymores no longer have children, after the transformation?

2)In extra story 4, clare is shown as a small girl w/ claymore powers, but its said once you become a claymore you don't age. However Clare obviously grew older after claymore graduation. Is that a mistake on the author's part?

*Also if claymores dont grow older, is that why her hair never grew back after so many years. Its also the reason why Galatea didn't want her hair cut in ch. 79?

[marsipulami]

With that I think the debate btw quick sword vs windcutter is over. So let me introduce a new topic:

1)
http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/4/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/13/30/
Claymore deformity. What exactly is it? Is it just scars? Or is it a mutation or something?
Also can claymores no longer have children, after the transformation?

2)In extra story 4, clare is shown as a small girl w/ claymore powers, but its said once you become a claymore you don't age. However Clare obviously grew older after claymore graduation. Is that a mistake on the author's part?

*Also if claymores dont grow older, is that why her hair never grew back after so many years. Its also the reason why Galatea didn't want her hair cut in ch. 79?
1) Claymore deformity hasn't been shown yet but I think its some kind of scar which reminds people of Yoma, and its pretty ugly

2) No its not a mistake, it has been told already, Claymores mature but do not age, what does that mean? Its simple, they reach certain age for example 19 , 20 years and then stop growing, they do not get any older than that

*yes you got it, their hair never grow back, perfect example is Clare and Galatea

[ptsome110]

awww that sucks .........i hate clare's hairstyle, but i guess i've grown accustomed to it
hmm having an ugly scar huh? it doesn't seem that bad if its only on the stomach--no reason Raki would be disgusted by that, wonder y Rubel said that....oh well

[Karin 31]

Maybe after gaining all new limbs some gives her new hair.:lol:
So then she would have super hair that goes berserk when yoma's are around.

[twilight-rain]

^HAHAHAHAHA. What. :lol:

Y'know, I can't help but think the deformity will never be mentioned again. D: I'd like it to, like maybe it's supposed to be a sign for well, something, but after the few chapters it's been noted, it looks like it won't turn up again. Of all things, I suppose it's to show just how monstrous they are.

(Oh, but it would be interesting.)

[Hyusuke]

Hair doesn't grow back? Hmmm, I've never noticed until now. Ouch, I feel bad for any claymore who gets shaved.

[Kioras]

The deformity is probably something in the way of an open wound in their stomach area of the chest, below the rib cage.

Their have been several referances to it in more oblique ways through the comic

[Playmore]

Hair doesn't grow back? Hmmm, I've never noticed until now. Ouch, I feel bad for any claymore who gets shaved.

The most noticeable one is Raphaela, she's the oldest Claymore we saw in the manga and she had always the same haircut for decades.
Also you can notice that Clare (or any Claymore with short hair) has kept her same haircut since the beginning of the manga even after hiding for 7 years and remember she had it very long until she had to cut them to fool the yoma in the last exercise when she was still an apprentice.

[zato_1one]

I think hair in all manga doesn't change except that there is a certain event which force/make that character to cut it or change the hair style. And it will stay that way forever until some events happen again.

What I want to say is that this topic shouldn't be taken seriously. <_<

[Spetch]

Bah, they should just put a Mask or a Paper bag over Clares ugly face. Ilena had it right to just push her face into the pillow, I imagine thats what Raki is going to do once they get some alone time together

[SaroVati]

Ok Spetch, that was random lol. Anyways.....

I agree with zato_1one, in mostly EVERY anime you see, the hair stays the same until an event changes it, and usually something that is relevant. I don't remember ANY anime/manga that actually shows them growing out their hair lol. That would just be extra work for the artist, and the audience wouldn't really notice/care. Some people might get mad that the hair is too long too :p lol

[Aegis]

If you must, then think of this: claymores have the ability to heal and regrow lost body parts, including limbs. Even offensive types can heal and regenerate small body parts like eyes if they so choose to. So why would claymores suddenly have the inability to grow their hair? In other words, as already been said again, hair is irrelevant unless explicitly stated otherwise. :P

[blackmagister]

That's a good point about hair not being able to regrow but every other part is able to heal or regenerate. The reason I think it can't regenerate though is because Yoma don't have hair and being able to regenerate legs and arms is of course useful but being able to regenerate hair never mattered to them.

Also it could be done for story reason. Hair and eye color that wasn't silver made them human the fact that their hair can't return to normal is kind of symbolic in some way.

From a biological view the reason Yoma don't need hair is because they have the magical ability to regulate their temperature easily even in extremely cold environments.

[Hyusuke]

That's a good point about hair not being able to regrow but every other part is able to heal or regenerate. The reason I think it can't regenerate though is because Yoma don't have hair and being able to regenerate legs and arms is of course useful but being able to regenerate hair never mattered to them.

Also it could be done for story reason. Hair and eye color that wasn't silver made them human the fact that their hair can't return to normal is kind of symbolic in some way.

From a biological view the reason Yoma don't need hair is because they have the magical ability to regulate their temperature easily even in extremely cold environments.

Awakened beings have hair and they're technically yoma.

[blackmagister]

Not really. They're part Yoma but aren't actually Yoma. In fact there more like a different species that's related to Yomas or descended from them. The original species being regular Yoma don't have hair and Awakened Beings have hair only because they're part human.

[Kaiser-kun]

True, true. Its because they retained their hair which is a human trait, and when turning into a half-yoma, their hair no longer became a considerable part of the body, hence the hair will not regenerate. (It's kinda like a tattoo, once its on your skin, it stays there and do nothing, and when damaged, it won't regenerate)
But Clare's long hair was much better though (they should invent hair extensions by then :D)