CM: Chapter 77 Discussion [Archive]

SilentBuddhist

02-09-2008, 05:38 PM

Very nice chapter, we're finally seeing more than just "Mama...mama..." and, "Oh no...there's no way we can win...we have to get out of here..."

>.<

Well the survivors, Miria, Clare, Helen, Deneve etc., have finally showed up to face Blood Red Agasa, and we learned Miata has a larger vocabulary after all :lol: Also, it seem, Clarice was able to do some damage to Agasa, so is she not worthless after all? The month is young, so fire away all thoughts you have about the chapter and what you think will happen later on.

SWI07

02-09-2008, 06:05 PM

Clare and the other will be to much for Agasa to fight alone

Dragon_fire1995

02-09-2008, 08:15 PM

Yeah. It was surprising that she had a larger vocabulary then that..

Personally, I'm not a fan of Clarice at all, even if she was able to do some damage. I still dislike her.

As for the seven, I'm glad they showed up. For the last few chapters, I've been wondering where they went. I'm glad they popped up again. I'm looking forward to the guards reactions to seeing Clare again. I hope they are like, "OMG." or something. XDD

MacenKrace

02-09-2008, 08:17 PM

Clare and the other will be to much for Agasa to fight alone

Clare alone is too much for Agassa.

SilentBuddhist

02-09-2008, 08:21 PM

As for the seven, I'm glad they showed up. For the last few chapters, I've been wondering where they went. I'm glad they popped up again. I'm looking forward to the guards reactions to seeing Clare again. I hope they are like, "OMG." or something. XDD

Oh ehm gee! XDD

Since Clare has been here before and knows several people here, I think she'll get the most attention(damn her. First beating Miria in OMCB, now this :mad: ). She may even stay for a bit to see father Vincent and Galk and Sid, but that's just a guess.

Though I doubt Clarice will join the 7 of them. Galatea might maybe, but I can only see Clarice going along as a hostage, since she would report to the Org later on about them. They have to keep her mouth shut somehow. She could be WITH Miria and gang, but not PART OF the group.

MacenKrace

02-09-2008, 08:25 PM

Oh ehm gee! XDD

Since Clare has been here before and knows several people here, I think she'll get the most attention(damn her. First beating Miria in OMCB, now this :mad: ). She may even stay for a bit to see father Vincent and Galk and Sid, but that's just a guess.

Though I doubt Clarice will join the 7 of them. Galatea might maybe, but I can only see Clarice going along as a hostage, since she would report to the Org later on about them. They have to keep her mouth shut somehow. She could be WITH Miria and gang, but not PART OF the group.

Who ever said they would let Clarice join them?

ibn

02-09-2008, 08:27 PM

i wonder if the guards will have had any contact with Raki? that would give some drive to the story, imo.

i doubt Galatea, Clarice or Miata will join the 7. Clarice and Miata are too tied down in the organization, and I just think it's within Galatea's interests anymore.

Dragon_fire1995

02-09-2008, 08:29 PM

Oh lord. I REALLY hope Clarice doesn't join them as part of the group. I can see that happening though, with Clare like, "Oh look, a number 47. Be part of our group and grow strong." I really hope it doesn't happen, and it probably won't.

Galatea, now thats a person I wouldn't mind joining the group. I always liked her, with her great abilities and kind heart. I hope she does join, although the probability is unlikely.

Yeah, they do need to keep her shut up, and killing doesn't seem like their style. Yep. Probably a hostage, like you said. Or they could just threaten her or something along those lines. Or something similar to what they did with the other group, probably.

I have no Idea what they will do with Mita. (I think thats her name..) Shes attached to Clarice at an extreme level, so if they take Clarice, they will have to take her.

SilentBuddhist

02-09-2008, 08:35 PM

Who ever said they would let Clarice join them?

Oh lord. I REALLY hope Clarice doesn't join them as part of the group. I can see that happening though, with Clare like, "Oh look, a number 47. Be part of our group and grow strong." I really hope it doesn't happen, and it probably won't.

Galatea, now thats a person I wouldn't mind joining the group. I always liked her, with her great abilities and kind heart. I hope she does join, although the probability is unlikely.

Yeah, they do need to keep her shut up, and killing doesn't seem like their style. Yep. Probably a hostage, like you said. Or they could just threaten her or something along those lines. Or something similar to what they did with the other group, probably.

I have no Idea what they will do with Mita. (I think thats her name..) Shes attached to Clarice at an extreme level, so if they take Clarice, they will have to take her.

Some people do want that to happen, if my memory serves correctly. But honestly, I highly doubt (and I didn't even say it) Clarice would join them...but some people think otherwise, arguing that she's slowly beginning to question what purpose exactly the Claymores have. I'm not one of 'em.

Well...Miria and gang probably don't know about Miata's attachment to Clarice, but I think they would threaten to kill her if Miata tried to fight. That could keep her quiet too.

wany1981

02-09-2008, 08:40 PM

Nah.. Clare alone is definitly not enough for Agasa.
The Chat below is what i made to rank people..

trash/filler less then 150 point claymore no.30-47, regular yoma
foot soilder 150-200 point claymore ranking 30-15
elite soilder 200-250 point claymore ranking 15-11, below average awaken being
single digit 250-300 point claymore ranking 10-6, awaken being rank 11 and below
Top 5 monster 300-500 point claymore 5,4,3,2,1 and awaken being rank 10-6
True monster 500-600 point rafaela, alicia, beth and ranking 5 4 3 awaken being
Sub abysall 600-700 point , rosemary, agasa, Rigaldo (midboss),
Abysall ones 700-800 point Awakened alicia < Lucila < Easly < Riful
Demi gods 800-1000 point none so far
Sub Gods 1000-2000 point Teresa, Prisila
True gods 2000+ unknown

Current group of 7 have 2 claymore 400+ (miria and clare), 2 claymore 300+(helen deneve) , 2 elite soilder (tabathia, cynathia) and 1 trash (yuma)

Cureent battle in Labona,

Galatea 400+ ... 30-35% damage taken
Miata 400+ ... 60-65% damage taken
Claire 50- .... 0% damage taken + double power from Enrage
Clare 400+
Miria 400+
Helen 300+
Deneve 300+
Cynathia 200+
Tabathia 200+
Yuma 100+
(all claymore get 10% Teamwork bonus from Miria's leader ship)

Vs

Agasa 600+ ... 10% damage taken - 5% Galatea Yoki minipulation interfurace

Ya... Agasa is dead meat
Unless the all mighty luck or other situation appears. The Chance of perfect victory apears is now at 80%

ibn

02-09-2008, 08:48 PM

i don't know if your numbers are correct. remember in the face of Riful, the 7 were not scared of her power at all. and Clare mention that Riful was no longer a match for her. so i think most of the 7 would be 600+.

wany1981

02-09-2008, 08:51 PM

Dantrag

02-09-2008, 08:53 PM

Partially awakened Clare devastated Rigaldo all by herself, Miria was just barely able to dodge Rigaldo's attacks, she couldn't counter-attack at all. Considering how much Clare must have grown in power during the time skip I doubt that she would even need to awaken against Agatha to take her out. And Rigaldo was considered the next most dangerous AB after Prissy and the Abyssal Ones.

But I agree with wany, the 7 are still no match for Riful, Isley, Alicia or Priscilla.

SWI07

02-09-2008, 10:02 PM

Riful is one of the most strongest awakened beings and some of the 7 might not be that strong.

fullmetaljacket

02-09-2008, 11:54 PM

no... Clare is not scared of her because she knows now that she can ran away from her.
Note... merely Ran away....

The 7 will be torn to shreds if they face any awaken being right now. Just look at miria's Face to see when she realize Riful's power.

no, she never said that all she could do was run away, she said it was the Least she could do.
she got away from riful, without breaking a sweat carrying someone on her back I don't think this one who isn't even a former #1 will be able to do much against them, also if it does they would not be able to stand on the same ground with the enemies they are now expected to fight.

ibn

02-10-2008, 12:23 AM

i agree is fullmetaljacket.

Clare isn't stupid. when she fought against Ophelia she knew that she couldn't win no matter what, even running away was out of the question. so if Clare thought she could stand her ground against Riful, she could stand her ground.

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 01:26 AM

I was going to say that perhaps, after Agasa is defeated (if she is, honoez), Miata and Clarice would attempt to carry out their original mission but then I recalled how wounded they both are (mentally and physically.) Hmmm... If they do report the 7 to the Org, I wonder what the Org's reaction would be.

In the after-math of the battle, if Galatea survives, my guess would be that she would stay in the holy city, if allowed. She seems pretty dedicated to Rabona, especially those kids.

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 01:42 AM

As for Clare's reunion with Galk, Sid, etc., I do hope they have some info on Raki. Less important matters: A romance between Clare and Sid? Possibly. Most likely it'll be one-sided because Clare is clearly fixed on finding her "boy-toy."

+ I do think the 7 will be enough for Agasa compared to Galatea and Miata.

Duath

02-10-2008, 01:50 AM

I sense a re-invasion of the you-know-who's

I don't want a romance between Clare and anyone.

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 01:56 AM

Ah! I keep forgetting to add this one point: Did you notice how Miata's face is in clearer view now after Clarice tried to run away? She doesn't seem so "Blood Eyes" or Sumara now.
Example #1 (http://i27.tinypic.com/20p234m.png)
Example #2 (http://i26.tinypic.com/11j7vx3.png)

I'm not too big of a fan of Clarice either but I'm glad she wasn't used as a body shield or something of the sort and actually showed some strength. I was impressed to say the least (by her momentarily taking on Agasa. She actually did some damage. Surprise, surprise.)

SilentBuddhist

02-10-2008, 02:00 AM

I'm not too big of a fan of Clarice either but I'm glad she wasn't used as a body shield or something of the sort and actually showed some strength. I was impressed to say the least (by her momentarily taking on Agasa. She actually did some damage. Surprise, surprise.)
That's what surprised me as well. She was able to do some damage to Agasa despite being a failure, but in the forest she just barely cut an ordinary yoma.

I guess there were just too many trees at that time...lol.

fullmetaljacket

02-10-2008, 02:07 AM

In the after-math of the battle, if Galatea survives, my guess would be that she would stay in the holy city, if allowed. She seems pretty dedicated to Rabona, especially those kids.

I agree with you on the dedication part , but I don't think she's stay
1. they(rabona) wouldn't let her
2. she wants to be a normal sister in the childrens eyes
3. the org now knows where she is for sure
I can see her joining the 7 just from Clare asking specifically about her earlier

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 02:24 AM

SilentBuddhist

02-10-2008, 02:30 AM

We better get used to saying "the 8" then. I wish she'd grow her arm back though. Even as a superior defensive-type warrior, all those years supressing her yoma definitely did its damage.

Regeneration must consume alot of energy seeing as Raphaela held back from regenerating her eye and exterted her entire lifeforce on diminishing her sister.
Well I'll admit Galatea isn't Deneve in the sense that she can't regenerate instantly, I'm not worried about Gal healing. Yuma herself was able to heal a lost arm within 24 hours (I would assume), so Gal could most likely heal even faster than that. I think she just doesn't have enough time to regenerate, since again, she doesn't have the ability to heal instantly. It wouldn't require much yoki, if any, to heal her wounds however.

Raphaela did have her reasons for keeping her eye from healing, but she definitely could have regenerated it without many problems. She simply chose not to however.

Scorpio-Girl

02-10-2008, 03:19 AM

I can't wait to see the interaction between the seven, namely Clare and Galatea. She really deserves to be in that group.

I think that Miata and the weakling, Clarice, will just settle down somewhere and go into hiding. They don't really have a reason to stay on..

Duath

02-10-2008, 03:36 AM

Scorpio-Girl

02-10-2008, 03:44 AM

I think there is a really high chance that Clarice doesn't want to continue the whole battle scene since she's such a coward.

She will want to 'bring up' Miata in peace. They'll pop back up in an awkward scene or something where Miata will help out someone or something obviously led by Clarice..

Tensa Zangetsu

02-10-2008, 10:02 AM

Cool....I like the sub forums but they should be organized in a way where the other manga threads aren't mixed in (like sub forums in a sub forum or simply put it in alphabetical order so all the claymore threads are grouped together and etc). I like the new chapter. It had more plot development. As for Clarice and Miata....I don't really care what happens to them >.> I hope that Clare and the others will have at least some difficulty fighting the former number two though....cause it was quite frustrating seeing Galatea being beaten so mercilessly....and the only one who can kill a former number 2 without breaking a sweat, we all know, is Teresa.....Most likely Rosemary was weaker then Agatha though cause she wasn't an AB for as long as Agatha and didn't have as much experience in general....

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 01:34 PM

True, Rosemary wasn't an AB for long but I do believe she had experience seeing as she was the former Number 1 until Teresa came along.

I also agree with them having some trouble fighting Agasa (maybe Yuma will get in the way or something), because yeah D: it was definitely frustrating to watch what happened to Gal.

Scorpio-Girl

02-10-2008, 01:47 PM

No, they shouldn't really have trouble... not that much anyway. They're pretty strong now, especially Clare and Miria..

They'll need to show that they can somewhat easily beat Agasa if they have a hope in hell in to beat the others. Some obstacles would work but it would be too stupid if the strong ones within the 7 get injured by Agasa.. Perhaps the 2 weaker ones in the 7 could get hurt if they participate that is. :/

Maybe Gal can give the final blow to Agasa, or is that hoping for too much.. >.>

Playmore

02-10-2008, 01:59 PM

SilentBuddhist

02-10-2008, 03:54 PM

well i want to see the other 5 beside clare and miria fighting and mostly the weaker ones from 7 years ago.. just to see of what they are capable of now.
They had to train pretty hard I'm sure to be at least not be a burden in a fight and since apparently from words they should be capable of fighting on par with single digit now except the top ones.

Hmm, if I remember right, Helen could use Jean's Drill Blade, and Deneve was using that two sword style like Undine...though yeah, I'm kinda curious to see how they would utilize the two abilities. Something tells me though Clare will get the most attention next chapter, though I may be wrong :/

I think the only ones Miria and gang have to worry about in terms of this generation's top 5 are Alicia and Beth. Audrey and Rachel didn't really impress me when we first saw them, and Miata, even though stronger than the two, has a way of being kept on a leash, in a sense *coughClariceashostagecough*.

wany1981

02-10-2008, 05:07 PM

Galatea got beat badly (lost a arm.. got impale by a claymore... drilled for over 10 holes... smashed against a wall) only because it was a 2 on 1. She is strong but not against miata and agasa tag team. Even then Agasa said it her self if Galatea and Miata worked together it would worked out fine.
Now that the 7 arrives, they have a unified front with 2 claymore as strong as Galatea and Miata, 2 nearly as strong and 3 others. Between Clare's Main character shield to Miria's super teamwork bonus, From Galatea's outside interferance to already injured/suprised Agasa.

Agasa really don't stand much of a chance. There is a 30% chance they will take some injurys but because of Miria's setup it's most likely be injury on the 3 defensive types.

Phantasm

02-10-2008, 08:14 PM

So they'll definitely beat Agasa but I'd really like to see what abilities Cynthia, Tabitha and Yuma have. We know that Cynthia and Tabitha can read yoki but Yuma, well, she must be worse than Clarice D: Hopefully they won't just stand there like they did when the other four went to rescue Audrey + Rachel.

With Scorpio-Girl's idea that Clarice and Miata will resign, I can see that happening. Miata's situation may turn out like Teresa's in the sense that her heart is no longer a warrior's. Or rather >_> not as crazy as before. Since she's been with Clarice, she's obviously grown very stable. But if you pick on her mama, you better watch out D:

I really wish she would have ripped out Agasa's guts with her bare hands like she did those Yoma.

Excel-Kleinwald

02-10-2008, 11:01 PM

I am glad that we got to see Miata and Clarice with a bit more depth to their characters rather than their same old same old. this manga is good at that. Something tells me it won't be too difficult for the seven to take care of the awakened being.

Oh and do not forget to vote in the onemanga character battles! Clare and Teresa are losing!

wany1981

02-11-2008, 12:19 AM

Tabathia .. Cynathia and Yoma are definitly cannon folders in later chapters.

SilentBuddhist

02-11-2008, 12:22 AM

What about Yuma?

I think she should be part of that list of cannon fodder too...>.>"

wany1981

02-11-2008, 12:24 AM

Yuma will live and come the new babysitter for miata when that god damn clarice dies!

arjay2813

02-11-2008, 03:10 AM

i think all of the 7 would be powerful enough after all the training they did to be a top 10 in the organization (though not 1 or 2). i wonder if they all got skills from a fallen comrade

Dantrag

02-11-2008, 07:31 AM

Noelle

02-11-2008, 10:59 AM

i wonder if they all got skills from a fallen comrade
They did. Clare learnt Windcutter, which was originally Flora's. Helen learnt the Drill Blade or whatever it is that Jean's attack was called. Deneve probably has Undine's muscle-expansion thingy by now. The rest didn't pick up anything, as far as we know.

Lucha

02-11-2008, 12:41 PM

I had a vision... in the next chapter... there'll be... ceremonial burial for Agasa... (and perhaps after that, a seafood bbq party in the city, while they're grilling the large chunk of meat (agasa) in the middle of the city and distributed it among the citizens... ^^)

The other 5 will have their own role. While Clare and Miria fighting Agasa..., Helen and Deneve will draw Agasa's attention while acting as support team for main fighter... Tabitha will act as scout to ensure the battle is 'safe' to play... Cynthia will go to check on either Galatea or Miata and take them away from battle while screaming... "MEDIC!!!!" and here comes Yuma running around carrying the first aid kit in the middle of war...

They have their own role you see... ^^!

wany1981

02-11-2008, 05:05 PM

SilentBuddhist

02-11-2008, 06:09 PM

Meh, I kind of figured they would lose even though I voted for them. IMO, polls like that are pretty meaningless because they include the 3 biggest mediogrety for masses-series at the moment, they will win simply because of the amount of fans they have, though I'm suprised that Naruto got eliminated. Let this be a lesson people, next time you make a character battle, don't even allow those three series to participate, atleast then the polls will be more interesting...
Nah, I wouldn't condemn Teresa just yet. I'm praying she wins even though she's behind by around 10 votes, but we still have a few days before the polls are over. But I agree, when it's with the big 3 it's not that interesting...

Anyways back to chapter 77. Or rather, Lucha's vision :lol: Man that's something. GIVE MEH YOUR SOUL!!!! Lol, nah, just your visions...:p

samurai89

02-11-2008, 07:44 PM

That is some vision.. i wish i can dream of claymore.

I had a dream about claymore it went a bit like this...

I was in a grassy plane with two dead claymore bodies near me,i thought, huh? what happened here? Then i look at my body and i find out i am a Awakened being. Cool right? well the claymores i just killed were part of a hunting team.......A team that had Teresa...

After i stop looking at my cool spike arms i see Teresa coming right at me. I see her scary face then the dream turned into a nightmare....

SWI07

02-11-2008, 11:39 PM

i think something that would be cool later in claymore if Clare learned to go in and out of full awakenings and keep her human mind

SilentBuddhist

02-11-2008, 11:41 PM

i think something that would be cool later in claymore if Clare learned to go in and out of full awakenings and keep her human mind
Ah...that would be interesting...but I think that's only possible via Soul Link, like what Alicia/Beth can do. I think the only one who could help her do that is Galatea, or even Raphaela, if she's still alive (I like her for some reason, so I hope she is :D)

SWI07

02-12-2008, 12:07 AM

Ah...that would be interesting...but I think that's only possible via Soul Link, like what Alicia/Beth can do. I think the only one who could help her do that is Galatea, or even Raphaela, if she's still alive (I like her for some reason, so I hope she is :D)

true but it would still be cool, maybe if she can unlock more of Teresa's power with in her

SilentBuddhist

02-12-2008, 12:11 AM

Yea...but then again I think what makes Claymore awesome is that it isn't a DBZ kinda manga. Having Clare be able to go back and forth between being normal, to half awakening, to fully awakening, sounds kinda Super-Saiyan-ish, imo. If it did happen, I don't want it to be frequent.

SWI07

02-12-2008, 12:20 AM

i hear u on that if that really happened it would most like happen once when she fights Priscilla and that would be the only time

pigpie

02-12-2008, 08:36 AM

I didn't know now Claymore thread is so "big" compared to last time.

About Clare going through her awakening and returning I highly doubt she wants to go through it because it feels like crap,as in painful.But I guess with her current abilities as a Claymore,Prissy shouldn't be too much of a problem,I guess Galatea will like maybe join her gang since Galatea has also erased her yoki so maybe she can help Clare and on the way other deserters will join Clare and they might over throw the org and ask the other claymores to join them....The Claymore definitely have bitterness in them about the Org .No Claymore really likes the Org,I mean even Teresa disliked the org.After Org is over thrown than they will slowly take down Prissy long with the abyssal one.

It is impossible to let Prissy go scott free,she is a very dangerous awakened being,she HAS to be taken down.

BTW,how old is Clarice exactly,I mean she should be quite young right?...around 6? because she is still drinking breast milk.

Dantrag

02-12-2008, 08:41 AM

You mean Miata right, she's a bit whacked in the head just like Priscilla. It would seem that both of their minds have regressed to infancy. I'd say Miata's phycal body is perhaps 12 years at max... Since even Clarice (Ah, hello Clarice *Lecter-voice* Sorry couln't help it :p) refers to her as "this little child is Org's #4?!"

pigpie

02-12-2008, 08:47 AM

12 years old....Hmmm.Around the age when Clare was as almost irritating as Raki...only difference is Clare actually did cause Teresa to die.Well Raki also cause trouble...maybe Raki is the rebirth of Teresa...back for revenge because Clare ruined her life.

Dantrag

02-12-2008, 09:14 AM

Talk about bad karma, for both Clare and Raki/Teresa, if that was indeed the case. You manage to screw thigs for the one who's fault it was that you became hunted by the org but on the other hand you end up as the hugging pillow of the one that actually killed you...

ELUNE

02-12-2008, 02:41 PM

I'm sorry for being sort of off topic but I've just read the chapter again and I noticed one small detail over which I started questioning myself....
I'm talking about the situation a little bit after Galatea sensed "the 7" ...
Galatea told Clarice to take Miata and run and at that point Agasa attacked those two...however, the attack wasn't dodged yet the trajectories of the attack were changed...:eek:
My point:
Who did that??:confused:
1) Galatea - we all know that she can do such things so she would be the first option but if we consider it differently it could be...
2) someone of the 7 warriors who trained the tehnique in the meantime
3) or even Miata which I doubt because she already has the super-regeneration tehnique but there is a slight chance it could be her because she had a great will to save her "mama"; and she does suprise us a lot each time

Sorry if I misunderstood the whole thing but it seemed very interesting so I had to bring that up...

pigpie

02-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Galatea didn't sense the 7 of them.She wasn't able to sense them at all.Galatea was thinking....WTH is happening??

I guess the tentacles missed Mama and her daughter was because Agasa was interrupted.When she was attacking Clarice and Miata ,midway Clare attack part of her island so thus the trajectories missed.

mangatoread

02-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Maybe Claire n co using some new technique to dodge the attack..
I think Claire n co have new technique to hide their Yoki...
Maybe Raki will battle Claire in last episode.. I hope it will happened

Dantrag

02-12-2008, 04:53 PM

The technique to hide their Yoki is very simple. They haven't used Yoki at all and have kept it fully supressed since they faked their deaths 7 years before. It's the same thing that Raphaela did. Not using it for long periods of time will remove all traces of it.

As for their ability to dodge the attack. There's nothing new to that either, it's a result of them hiding their yoki completelly, so all of them can now sense yoki way better than most of normal claymores who fight by releasing yoki. Yume or what ever her name was seems to have the best long range sensing ability similar to Galatea's however it doesn't seem like she can manipulate yoki like Galatea does (Making opponents attack on wrong spots, making their yoki go up or down). Clare still has Teresa's ability to read yoki which is different. It is close combat based and can be used to perfectly predict all actions of the opponent. Though Clare's reading ability is propably far superior to Teresa's by now. Teresa couldn't really read the Yoki of Priscilla because the amount of Yoki was too great, I believe Clare has over come this weakness by now.

Excel-Kleinwald

02-12-2008, 10:49 PM

Once again, if you have not voted for Teresa to win the onemanga character battle go vote at this place (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=8279)

Don't you think Teresa is better than Zolo from One Piece?? Those Zolotards don't think so! Go vote and show them up! Show them what the greatest group in all of onemanga is made of! GO AND VOTE FOR TERESA~~~!!!

SilentBuddhist

02-12-2008, 10:55 PM

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aka 1MMCM :D :eban:

But yeah, Dantrag is right. Since they are fully suppressing their yoki, Miria and gang have much higher yoki sensing abilities then they normally would. I think it's been shown a few times that it's much easier for a Claymore that has her yoki suppressed to read the flow of yoki from their opponents than it would be if she had even 10% of her yoki released. That's pretty much the reason Teresa and Clare have their yoki suppressed when fighting.

Speaking if Teresa, I, as a mod and as the new Prezzo of 1MMCM, order y'all to vote for Teresa of you haven't already!!! We need to beat up those Zolotards and show them their god is nothing compared to ours!!

samurai89

02-13-2008, 04:35 PM

I have already voted.

I agree with SilentBuddhist. I think with less yoki flying around in the air it is easier for Claymore to sense yoki. As Clare did mention she suppressed her yoki while trying to detect the enemies when they were fighting their first male awakened being.

An ye VOTE GODDAMMIT!

pigpie

02-13-2008, 04:39 PM

Clare definitely has grown stronger but not to the same level as Teresa,Teresa is like on a whole different level,her yoki is like the amount of juice in a watermelon while Clare one is the amount of juice in a Guava.

I am thinking that Agasa will get killed really quickly by Clare....you know,to let us know how strong Clare has become.I cannot imagine Clare losing to Agasa like Galatea.

samurai89

02-13-2008, 04:47 PM

Nor can i but im thinking how strong Yuma,Tabithia and Cynthia are since they never did do that half-awakened thing.

SilentBuddhist

02-13-2008, 05:28 PM

Yeah...they may have improved quite a bit, we know Tabatha is capable of sensing yoki at great distances, and (if I remember right) she can predict the emotions and actions of other Claymores and yoma at great distances as well. Cynthia and Yuma, I'm not sure. They could have better regenerative abilities, but that would require releasing their yoki if I recall :/ Maybe they're just the "tanks" of the group, they take the hits of enemies while the rest of the gang goes in for a kill.

Lucha

02-13-2008, 05:37 PM

Cynthia was former no 14, so it shouldn't be problem even she's not half-awakened...

the only concern is for Yuma, but since she state that she don't mind if they just leave her if things goes wrong... there shouldn't be problem either...

Yeah...they may have improved quite a bit, we know Tabatha is capable of sensing yoki at great distances, and (if I remember right) she can predict the emotions and actions of other Claymores and yoma at great distances as well. Cynthia and Yuma, I'm not sure

So you mean that Tabitha rivals to Galatea (before losing her eyes) in sensing yoki now? that she can do just like Galetea did at Clare's first AB hunt?

SilentBuddhist

02-13-2008, 05:41 PM

So you mean that Tabitha rivals to Galatea (before losing her eyes) in sensing yoki now? that she can do just like Galetea did at Clare's first AB hunt?
What I meant was that Tabatha had similar abilities to Galatea. I don't know how good she is at it, but she does have similar abilities. I'd say she's at half of, or maybe even 3/4 of the old Galatea's level, though definitely not near her new level. Having her yoki fully suppressed amplifies that.

Excel-Kleinwald

02-14-2008, 11:18 AM

Dantrag

02-14-2008, 12:26 PM

It's not that us Claymore fans aren't strong. It's just that there are too damn many mindless OP, Naruto & Bleach fans that think the series they are reading is the best and will vote for any character as long as it is from that series. That's why I said this poll was pretty much pointless from the start. Those 3 win because of masses, not because of quality...

Meh, It's not like that that poll will have any affect on me or my reading habits

SilentBuddhist

02-14-2008, 04:39 PM

Yeah...there's too many Zolotards, Narutards and Ichigoons out there, and they outnumber us a considerable amount. And Sniper, that bastard, he set up these polls to pretty much flourish the Big 3 and crush the rest...-.-

Scorpio-Girl

02-14-2008, 05:59 PM

The character battle poll sickens me... I though the Claymores were the strongest group of OneManga... I am dissapointed, both in the results and your lack of devotion to Claymore. I was wrong to place my faith in you. But I only blame myself for hoping for too much.
You as in.... Us?! Don't blame us for some other peoples' incompetency.. T.T

It's funny how they stick together against Claymore.. Seriously though OP.. how can you get hooked onto something so plain...? I can't seem to keep reading it, myself.. :/

Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter of Claymore, although the death of Agasa is a certain. I can't wait till Gal talks to the other 7, being somewhat superior and all.. ^.^

Tekkaman Saber

02-14-2008, 06:46 PM

I still find it strange how teresa is allways behind by ten votes in this pole.
Every time she has had a vote recently almost straight away someone will vote for the green haired git.

I feel sorry for agasa though i mena she's at sucha disadvantage know that its not even funny.

Scorpio-Girl

02-14-2008, 06:58 PM

She's a bad guy.. don't feel sorry for them although Isley... I have a weak spot for him.. >.>

Agasa hurt Gal therefore she deserves to die. Although she gets a few brownie points for hurting Miata, shame on her for not killing Clarice though. All in all she deserves her imminent death.

sempur

02-14-2008, 07:30 PM

After the battle with Agasa, i hope Galatea joins the group, heh.

Tekkaman Saber

02-14-2008, 07:48 PM

Is galatea a defensive type...... I'm just wondering about whether she would be able to regrow her arm.

SilentBuddhist

02-14-2008, 09:25 PM

Wheeee!!

Why am I saying this? You must be thinking I found Claymore Raws that can be scanned and released earlier than expected...right?

WRONG! I merely had a character for a new Claymore RP in a different forum approved, after working with the admins there about the skills and his history. It was hard, but the effort was worth it :spam:

Well getting back on topic, yes Galatea is a defensive type Claymore. She has been concealing her yoki for quite some time to hide from the Organization, but she probably could heal her arm in a few hours time. I expect her to join the 7 as well :D

Clarice and Miata, they won't be joining them, but I expect that in order to keep them quiet, the 7 will take them both as hostage. I'm sensing they'd capture Clarice first, and of course Miata would fight back, but they may threaten to kill Clarice if she does, so that would make Miata settle down.

What do y'all think?

Tekkaman Saber

02-14-2008, 09:28 PM

That seems likely though i would find it quite funny if miata defects because one of the seven bears a closer resemblance to her mom :lol:

Scorpio-Girl

02-14-2008, 09:29 PM

No, as much as I hope, they wouldn't hold them hostage... imo anyway.

Miata doesn't play with normal tactics. She wouldn't negotiate.. she just slices and dices.. I prefer my theory of them settling down, hidden somewhere... but then again in your theory they're still part of the main story.. :/

It could be a fake hostage but the Organisation wouldn't care about Miata/Clarice. They only care about the two top ones.. now that they're complete. Anything else is insignificant.... Until they find out about the hopefully-soon-to-be-eight! ^.^

Mrdelta

02-15-2008, 07:51 AM

Wheeee!!
Clarice and Miata, they won't be joining them, but I expect that in order to keep them quiet, the 7 will take them both as hostage. I'm sensing they'd capture Clarice first, and of course Miata would fight back, but they may threaten to kill Clarice if she does, so that would make Miata settle down.

What do y'all think?

don't threaten Mama!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think if they tried that Miata would go bezerk and try to kill them all. remember she's not quite "all there". and the 7 dont really know the relationship between those two like we do. not sure what the best course of action is though.

pigpie

02-15-2008, 10:02 AM

Regarding Tabitha I would say her sensing abilities are on par with Galatea..when she still had eyes,because Tabitha could sense emotion etc like Galatea from a long distance,plus Tabitha had 7 years of training,it wouldn't be surprising if she had surpass Galatea's ability.

I guess Galatea will go her own way but it would be cool if Galatea joined,than the group will have a pair of eye.Clarice I doubt is such a good liar,I wonder if she will wise up,tell the org that Agasa killed Galatea and ate her up and Miata brings Agasa head as prove or something,she better not tell the Org on Clare because Clare has saved her *** twice.

Lucha

02-15-2008, 10:42 AM

Have faiith people... Teresa still can win character battle, she only need 4 vote to proceed to next round...

I wonder if she will wise up,tell the org that Agasa killed Galatea and ate her up and Miata brings Agasa head as prove or something.

I wonder the org will believe it... They're so cunning that they even not believe Galatea when she report about Clare and Jean deaths.

Playmore

02-15-2008, 02:16 PM

I pretty much doubt they would even considering lieing lol... :D
In case you didn't notice, the fight is in the middle of the city.. with civilians around.. soldiers..
And anyway there's always a black coat not far trailing at safe distance :ninja:...
After the fight they will need to rethink strategy since their existence would be clearly known.

Anyway, I only see Galatea joining; it would be too soon for clare/miata to join... they leak too much... yoki it is :p and it's impossible to train that in a day. Tough I'm sure, the group is going to make them turn to their side. ;)

Lucha

02-15-2008, 03:15 PM

That will only confirm their lies. Since the black coat at safe distance wouldn't able to see what's really happening besides someone figthing agasa. If Clare just put surpresant on Galatea and hide her as far as they can, then Clarice taking Agasa's head for evidence. With the black coat eyewitness from far (they won't so reckless enter the city if they know there's AB threatening to destroy the whole city won't they?), the lies becomes reality. (anyway, lieing?=lying? just asking)

Playmore

02-15-2008, 04:29 PM

(anyway, lieing?=lying? just asking)

yea it is/was, sorry.. must be my KEeEyybOaaArd acting on it's own. Taking its revenge for me dropping it 3 times today and making me look like a fool :lol:

Galatea doesn't need yoki suppressor, she can hide it effectively on her own.

chezkimo

02-15-2008, 04:40 PM

i loved this chapter. and i loved how the 7 apperas outta nowhere destroying agasa's leg yet totally cool like nothing happened.

Abotu the yoki surpressing. galatea and the 7 surpress thier yoki like all the time so how would they be if they released it. would they be like 10 times faster and stronger. Coz as it stands they don't even need to release thier yoki. opr would it mess up thier fighting coz they havn't experienced fighting while releasing yoki in along time. or maybe they'll be like teresa. Not releasing yoki oftne at al but when they do release it the amount they release is much larger then normal.

Lucha

02-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Galatea doesn't need yoki suppressor, she can hide it effectively on her own.

True, but looking at her condition now, she needs a huge amount of yoki if she wants her hand back. There'll be no guarantee if she can hide it perfectly from 'the eye' since her ability to hide yoki perfectly is perhaps the result of not using yoki for long time.

samurai89

02-16-2008, 12:23 PM

True, but looking at her condition now, she needs a huge amount of yoki if she wants her hand back. There'll be no guarantee if she can hide it perfectly from 'the eye' since her ability to hide yoki perfectly is perhaps the result of not using yoki for long time.

Who is the 'eye' anyway? Is she a claymore with extremley good yoki sensors or something?

lsumd2011

02-16-2008, 04:02 PM

Who is the 'eye' anyway? Is she a claymore with extremley good yoki sensors or something?

Yep pretty much. Gal could sense other yoma energy from what seems to be several miles away. Additionally she could not only sense it be was able to read their emotional status as well. Mind you this was before the 7 year skip, so who knows what she can do now.

fullmetaljacket

02-16-2008, 09:52 PM

Yep pretty much. Gal could sense other yoma energy from what seems to be several miles away. Additionally she could not only sense it be was able to read their emotional status as well. Mind you this was before the 7 year skip, so who knows what she can do now.

I agree that she probably got stronger but I don't see any room to improve -ya' know? other then her manipulation getting better

SilentBuddhist

02-16-2008, 09:57 PM

Psst, if you haven't voted Teresa yet, please do so in OMCB Battle 8 Round 2!

Well I'm betting the same thing, her yoki manipulation skills are much better than they were, hopefully, or at the very least her yoki sensing abilities have greatly increased. She was #3 at the time, so maybe she doesn't have a lot of room to improve, but hey, what little room there is would still be there =P

sempur

02-17-2008, 05:54 AM

samurai89

02-17-2008, 09:08 AM

So... what will happen to clarice and miata? They will run middle of fight or get killed after battle? I don't think they will return to organization after failed to kill Galatea

OFF TOPIC By way where i can vote for Teresa, i can't find it......

you can vote here http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=8279

I thint Clarice and Miata will be taken as prisoners because theres no chance that the seven would let them go. Or maybe they would but i doubt that.

Scorpio-Girl

02-17-2008, 04:49 PM

So... what will happen to clarice and miata? They will run middle of fight or get killed after battle? I don't think they will return to organization after failed to kill Galatea

OFF TOPIC By way where i can vote for Teresa, i can't find it......
It's too late anyway but did you not notice my sig?! Which reminds me, I'll need to change it now.
:eban: Teresa won! :eban: Teresa won! :eban:

I think they'll stay hidden somewhere on the low.. They'll either have their own set of mini-adventures or join the group when they're at least adequate enough. They'll probably just run into them and help the soon-to-be-eight! For now, though, they're just a nuisance to all.

Excel-Kleinwald

02-18-2008, 02:09 AM

Hmm... I have a horrible memory but... didn't the seven let the other two that they saved go? Galatea won't join them... she's going to die. PREDICTION! SACRIFICE!

And I love you all for voting TT_TT
Double Twin Waterfalls from my eyes!

Scorpio-Girl

02-18-2008, 02:14 AM

Galatea will not die.. I refuse to let that happen. >.>"

The fate of the other two has yet to be decided.. The 7 have only arrived at the scene..

Teresa won! ^.^ The love for Claymore/Teresa can clearly be seen.

pigpie

02-18-2008, 12:01 PM

I highly doubt Galatea will die...she doesn't seem like the kind that will be killed off easily.Speaking of the black coats watching from a distance,I assume that he has the new "eye" of the org with him or something meaning she shouldn't be able to sense the 7 because even Galatea couldn't sense it....but than again,Ophelia killed many humans and lied but she wasn't caught plus there wasn't any black coats watching here.I am thinking that the Org knows the existence of Agasa and somehow wishes Miata to take both Galatea and Agasa down...I mean Miata is strong enough to aim for No.1 which is above the twins.

I guess the people in town will not tell if Clare tells them to zip it since she saved their asses before......and also saved the town from leaving an irritant there...Raki...he was almost left there.

Playmore

02-18-2008, 01:42 PM

but than again,Ophelia killed many humans and lied but she wasn't caught plus there wasn't any black coats watching here.I am thinking that the Org knows the existence of Agasa and somehow wishes Miata to take both Galatea and Agasa down...I mean Miata is strong enough to aim for No.1 which is above the twins.

Ophelia is an other story, I suspect she was the inside cleaner for the org. Everybody knew her crazyness. The org just close their eyes on her special behavior :ninja:
About Agatha, I don't think the Org care since the city has been off limit for Claymore/org long ago eventough since Clare helped them in the past they are less rigid about them. Also nobody ask the org to help and Org don't do free job :D.
Miata is just an other toy for the org. Alice and beth is their favorite n1 toy :lol:. Miata is just too unstable psychologically and the pairing with Clarice is poor... she might just en up awakaning like Priscilla in the past if her milk mummy died :devil: well that would be fun if Miata awakes there too actually :)

chezkimo

02-18-2008, 03:09 PM

yep. agree with you totally about ophelia. i beleieve that they sent clare on a mission with just her for the soul purpose of getting rid of her because they knew ophelia would kill her just for fun.

And about Agasa. They probably didn't know and also they probably didn't pay atention to Agasa because they keep Alicia/Beth close to the org and Agasa's #2. So there's no claymore available whose powerful enough to go hunt her down. Although it ennoys me how that fact is and yet one of those army guys in Rabona could have killed her just by chopping off her hair...It seems all alittle too easy. I mean besides the point they have to get past that thing that she does with her yoma body.

PS: no way will Gal die. She did't cut out her own eyes just to get into Rabona just so that she'd get killed

samurai89

02-18-2008, 05:04 PM

Ophelia is a mad,crazy and needs intense therapy. Anyway,I think Galatea will join the seven because she cant stay in Rabona since they know who she is now. Or maybe she will stay with that bald priest.

wany1981

02-18-2008, 07:10 PM

wow.. just a throught.. maybe the organization's new eye has been keeping watch on miata and clarice with Alicia or the new no.3 and no.5 combo near by.
So basicly Miata and Clarice are cannon folder for galatea to fight since neither of them really matter to the organization. Maita maybe no.4 but she is not all that useful and clarice is 47.

Those 2 are meant to find galatea and do some damage then alicia or the couple could finish it off.

IF this is true then this Robana fight is gonna become super chaotic in the next few chapters.

I have always find miata and clarice team is a bit weak to try to hunt down galatea but with others tail gate would make it much more logical. But The Agasa factor and North 7 factor would make organization's plan full of holes yet still very interesting.

chezkimo

02-18-2008, 10:52 PM

hmm. idk. seems abit far fetched. And Alicia and Beth always stay near the org HQ. And Gal could even sense that clarice was a claymore even though she's got such weak yoki AND had taken a surpressant pill. She would of sensed A&B. And so would Miata for that fact with her sixth sense. Besides, the 7 just arrived. If even more came in then it would just be OTT!

But, if Miata and Gal get free and heal themselves, then the gang but Gal and Miata will be more than enough to handle Agasa even if she was #2.

Playmore

02-19-2008, 12:09 AM

PS: no way will Gal die. She did't cut out her own eyes just to get into Rabona just so that she'd get killed

Galatea is actually just stronger.. she won't die that easily. Having her sacrificed her eyes so nobody would see her claymore eyes has not only sharpened her yoki sense but also all her other senses (-sight).

mmm.. anyway I still think Clarice should die now, leading to an awakening of Miata giving more trouble to everybody :D:thumbup:
Yea I can see her awaken form.. a giant baby berserker who keep on screaming mummy... mummy! stomping and killing Agatha in his path.. then goin after the rest of the claymores :p

Kaos_Dragon

02-19-2008, 02:47 AM

IF this is true then this Robana fight is gonna become super chaotic in the next few chapters.

I have always find miata and clarice team is a bit weak to try to hunt down galatea but with others tail gate would make it much more logical. But The Agasa factor and North 7 factor would make organization's plan full of holes yet still very interesting.

i agree with miata + clarice being too weak to fight against glataea because if u really think about it then no.3 > no. 4 + no. 47
and also actually i am starting to think that alicia and beth might be classifed something else beside no 1 + 2 because if the org say miata can become no.1 then that would only be possible if alicia + beth aren't no 1 + 2

my bad i meant that no. 4 + no.47 isn't enough to beat a no.3
basically it's just no 3 galatea vs no 4 miata which people can already guess the outcome if galatea fights seriously

pigpie

02-19-2008, 06:09 AM

SilentBuddhist

02-19-2008, 06:21 AM

That is quite true about Alicia and Beth.Personally I wasn't really keen of the idea that Alicia and Beth are given Ranks,I mean they aren't given ordinary Claymore task,the only task I have seen them doing is the clearing of the many awaken beings.

Small question though,is the new eye called Rene because I saw it in Wiki but the manga didn't really state it.
Rene, Rune, Lune, something...LOL, I remember the time Rigardo was called Ligardes in Wiki >.< Bleh. Let's just go with Rune, I haven't even looked at Wikipedia for over a month.

I'm thinking the same thing as Kaos, I mean even Teresa was going out and performing ordinary tasks like everyone else, and we all know Teresa > Alicia/Beth...I think it has to do with their soul link ability, but is that really enough to give them the ranks they have? From what I've seen they don't even have a definite type, like Offensive or Defensive, though what we have seen from them is Offensive, so I could be wrong...but anyways, there must be more to them in terms of ranking in terms of being numbers 1 and 2.

pigpie

02-19-2008, 06:45 AM

I am still not so keen on the idea of ranking the twins.They are on a whole different level.Speaking of the twins,do u think it is possible that Luciella and Raphy alos went through the same thing...just soul link in their whole Claymore Training Schedule,because if that is so,it would mean that they never really fight using their Claymore before...just like the twins.But Raphy is so strong,so could it be possible that Beth is like Raphy...super strong as well?

samurai89

02-19-2008, 08:48 AM

Rapheala and Luciela did not have as intense a training as Beth and Alecia. B+A were trained since they were babies and also they were twins witch made the link stronger. Rapheala and Luciela i think were trained when they were like 10 years old.

lsumd2011

02-19-2008, 09:07 AM

Plus B+A are identical twins, and L+R were fraternal. I remember Rubel saying that the soul link could only be done with identical twins. Speaking of Raph, does anything think she is still out there, or did she kill herself after she snapped her sis's back?

pigpie

02-19-2008, 10:02 AM

Plus B+A are identical twins, and L+R were fraternal. I remember Rubel saying that the soul link could only be done with identical twins. Speaking of Raph, does anyone think she is still out there, or did she kill herself after she snapped her sis's back?

Wait...Raphy and Luciella aren't twins.....they are just sisters.I am thinking she is still alive...we haven't even seen her fight yet..I am guessing she is with Irene...somewhere.

Dantrag

02-19-2008, 10:40 AM

I'd say there is a 70% chance that Raphaela is still alive out there. She felt that she had to kill Luciela because she propably blamed herself for what had happened to her, but she knew that Luciela couldn't be returned to normal so the only option was to kill her in order to stop her from harming others. To me Raphaela didn't seem like a person who would kill herself after that, it seemed more like "When I'm done with her, I'll come after you"-type meaning that she also blames the organization for what they did to her and her sister. And yeah, they were normal sisters, not twins.

Irene on the other hand has a 70% chance of her being dead with the weird reaction that Clare got from the borrowed hand when Raphaela showed up at Irene's. If she isn't dead, well there's not much she can do anyways. If she regrew that arm of hers then it would have been 100% human, not one ounce of Yoma flesh in it, meaning she wouldn't be able to perform quicksword at all. But it does kind of make me wonder, if she survided her wounds, why didn't she reattach her left arm back? Priscilla left it lying right next to Irene, unless of course someone or something snatched it but we never saw that happening so...

Unless she would steal someone elses arm but I don't think there were any spare claymores around...

samurai89

02-19-2008, 10:42 AM

Wait...Raphy and Luciella aren't twins.....they are just sisters.I am thinking she is still alive...we haven't even seen her fight yet..I am guessing she is with Irene...somewhere.

Irene is dead. Raphaela killed her,or i think she killed her.

Phantasm

02-19-2008, 11:02 AM

But it does kind of make me wonder, if she survided her wounds, why didn't she reattach her left arm back? Priscilla left it lying right next to Irene, unless of course someone or something snatched it but we never saw that happening so...

I was wondering that too ]: But I suppose she was too weak at the time and the wound was no longer fresh enough to reattach the limb. She said she sort of played dead (which wouldn't be hard in that state x: ) which would mean supressing her yoma energy instead of working to regenerate. And you could also guess from getting slashed across the front like that she used whatever energy she had at the time to salvage her life.

fullmetaljacket

02-19-2008, 09:08 PM

Kaos_Dragon

02-19-2008, 10:13 PM

I'm pretty sure the manga stated Rapheala died, meaning that now no one could sneak up on the 7 ghosts. I'll look for the chapter.

Edit: Rapheal my not be dead, but she is "Gone"
http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/68/06/

it would be weird if raph joined the 7 because we already know she hasn't rejoined the org for 7 years which is to say she will most likely either:
A: really is dead
B: out there and plotting to gain revenge
C: out there just lottering around like she had been doing since they first banished her

Irene on the other hand has a 70% chance of her being dead with the weird reaction that Clare got from the borrowed hand when Raphaela showed up at Irene's. If she isn't dead, well there's not much she can do anyways. If she regrew that arm of hers then it would have been 100% human, not one ounce of Yoma flesh in it, meaning she wouldn't be able to perform quicksword at all. But it does kind of make me wonder, if she survided her wounds, why didn't she reattach her left arm back? Priscilla left it lying right next to Irene, unless of course someone or something snatched it but we never saw that happening so...

Unless she would steal someone elses arm but I don't think there were any spare claymores around...

as for irene it would be nice if she is still alive and is willing to join the 7 but as for that reaction clare said she thought it was due to the fact that she isn't accostumed to irene's arm yet
also as for the arm not having yoma flesh ain't very lightly because there could be a chance that the regeneration is able to regrow the yoma flesh as well which mean she can still use the quick sword

I was wondering that too ]: But I suppose she was too weak at the time and the wound was no longer fresh enough to reattach the limb. She said she sort of played dead (which wouldn't be hard in that state x: ) which would mean supressing her yoma energy instead of working to regenerate. And you could also guess from getting slashed across the front like that she used whatever energy she had at the time to salvage her life.

also if the wound isn't fresh enough then y don't she just make another fresh wound somehow like trim a few inches of flesh off and also we just saw raph said she was given a mission to hunt irene but we didn't really see raph take irene's head though just to the point that irene talked a little bit:
:http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/29/

i don't know how to change the link's name to something else without changing the IP adress though i do know this isn't where i should post it sorry :(

Dantrag

02-19-2008, 10:31 PM

as for irene it would be nice if she is still alive and is willing to join the 7 but as for that reaction clare said she thought it was due to the fact that she isn't accostumed to irene's arm yet
also as for the arm not having yoma flesh ain't very lightly because there could be a chance that the regeneration is able to regrow the yoma flesh as well which mean she can still use the quick sword

That a no no for Irene and all other offensive type warriors. Only defensive type warriors can fully regrow limbs that have half human/half yoma-flesh. Offensive warriors can heal fast for smaller injuries like puncture wounds but for the to regrow limbs is very difficult to pretty much impossible, that's why they have to try to reattach a severed limb instead of regrowing one. The manga states that if an offensive-type claymore would try to regenerate a lost limb the result would be, at the best case, a normal human (as in not deformed) limb that has no yoma-flesh in it at all.

Kaos_Dragon

02-20-2008, 03:15 AM

The manga states that if an offensive-type claymore would try to regenerate a lost limb the result would be, at the best case, a normal human (as in not deformed) limb that has no yoma-flesh in it at all.

where did it say that because i don't remember it saying that

Phantasm

02-20-2008, 03:44 AM

Actually as stated here (http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/35/29/), it says "no stronger than a human's," but nothing about the new limb not possessing yoma flesh.

And is it confirmed that Irene's an offensive type? *looking through manga D;*

ibn

02-20-2008, 04:13 AM

i thought irene mentioned that she has a defensive type after she ripped off her arm.

EDIT: http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/23/ she just says that she will grow a normal arm.

pigpie

02-20-2008, 08:26 AM

i thought irene mentioned that she has a defensive type after she ripped off her arm.

EDIT: http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/38/23/ she just says that she will grow a normal arm.

Irene is offensive,that is why she said that it will take some time for her to grow back her arm and also that the arm will be a normal human arm.

Speaking of which..what if Irene cut her legs as well...than grow back human legs...slice her eyes and grew back human eyes and also for her other body parts.You know how she has elf ears right...apparent;y in the episode The Witch Maw,the inn keepers ears are also elf like...so could the world be filled with elfs also or something.

About Irene being dead...I guess we have to apply the anime theory thing.If you don't see a character die that means they are still alive.I have watched many other animes where characters supposedly fall off a cliff or get shot by bullets and we all think they will die but in the end they always survive...so unless we seen Irene getting chopped up by Raphy,Irene is probably still alive....plus Clare also made a promise to irene that she will return the arm to Irene and Irene said that she doesn't die so easily.

Personally I think Irene made a good investment.Lend her arm to Clare and when it is returned Irene can not only do quicksword but windcutter as well.

chezkimo

02-20-2008, 03:41 PM

I don't entirely agree with you there Pigpie. She didn't neccesarily said "normal HUMAN arm" she said a normal arm. That could mean a normal claymore arm. And offensive types can only hope for a human arm regenerated when they lose thier first because they're bad at regenerating because of that kill or survive thing. Perhaps an offensive type warrior can be adequate at regenerating too.

I mean lets say if someone had S rank yoki. Yoki is what is used to regenerate a claymores wounds. Perhaps they would be able to regenerate an entire arm. And although Irene is offensive she doeshave some defensive traits, like when she was afraid of death and she wanted to live when faced with Prissy.

PS. Don't know waht you're going on about on the last two lines

Tensa Zangetsu

02-20-2008, 08:56 PM

I think he meant that because Clare had learned the windcutter, when she returns her arm to Irene she will have her quicksword power back and also know the windcutter.....but I don't think the windcutter works like that. Then again, I'm not really sure how by giving the arm of someone who knows the quicksword, they too will learn it just by using that arm.

Oh and I think that Irene did mean a normal human arm. Not just by what she said, but I'm pretty sure it mentioned that a while back. I also remember something about how offensive warriors have their yoki evenly distributed through their body and defensive types have a yoki central point in their body that sends yoki to the parts that need it....

and one more thing, Irene said that from this point she would start regenerating a normal arm but why didn't she ever regenerate her other arm? She has had plenty of time to do so

Phantasm

02-20-2008, 09:20 PM

I also remember something about how offensive warriors have their yoki evenly distributed through their body and defensive types have a yoki central point in their body that sends yoki to the parts that need it....

That would give Irene another defensive trait, would it not? I would think so since her yoki is mainly distributed to one arm.

Irene said that from this point she would start regenerating a normal arm but why didn't she ever regenerate her other arm? She has had plenty of time to do so

I guess she didn't find much of a point in doing so since she spoke of the remaining arm as a "useless appendage."

First post on two consecutive pages. Noice.

samurai89

02-20-2008, 10:03 PM

And also Irene would need to release yoki to regenerate the arm and if she does that she would be found by the organisation

fullmetaljacket

02-21-2008, 01:24 AM

That would give Irene another defensive trait, would it not? I would think so since her yoki is mainly distributed to one arm.

I guess she didn't find much of a point in doing so since she spoke of the remaining arm as a "useless appendage."

First post on two consecutive pages. Noice.

which would make sense as she only fought with her arm she gave to clare

beakedbard

02-21-2008, 04:38 AM

This chapter was kinda annoying i really didn't want claires group to come that quickly :/

*glomps all claymore mafia peoples*

pigpie

02-21-2008, 07:04 AM

I guess Windcutter will work on Irene is her arm is returned.Clare was able to do quicksword when Irene gave Clare her arms.I seriously doubt Clare will return it to Irene....it will be a painful departure for her.....physically and mentally.I mean that arm saved Clares *** quite a few times and without that arm Clare is pretty much screwed.

I have to agree with samurai89 that the Org will find her if she regenerate...I am thinking that is the main point....secondly is the part where she doesn't need the arm.

ibn

02-21-2008, 11:04 AM

ghassassin

02-21-2008, 02:30 PM

Irene cannot grow back her normal arm. She said it herself that in a few months her arm will grow back with powers no better than a human. If that had to be the case, then every Claymore would have been of the same power. Just keep exchanging hands and regenerate back. It surely doesn't work that way.

pigpie

02-21-2008, 05:16 PM

I am thinking....even though Clare is 1/4,that 1/4 is is Yoma used on Teresa while the other 1/4 is Teresa....hmmmmmm?And Teresa is the strongest Claymore...in her generation or so they say,but come on,she is the strongest the org has made,apart from Prissy.

SilentBuddhist

02-21-2008, 05:21 PM

if Irene were to grow back her normal arm (with the yoma flesh) she should be able to do the windcutter also. i think the reason why Clare need Irene's arm was because her flesh is only 1/4th yoma while Irene is 1/2, so naturally Irene's flesh would be stronger, work faster, and do things Clare's could not.
Just to clarify...that only happens with Defensive warriors, and Irene is Offensive. Offensives have the ability to regenerate, but lost limbs are no stronger than those of an ordinary human, as ghass had said.
This chapter was kinda annoying i really didn't want claires group to come that quickly :/

*glomps all claymore mafia peoples*
BEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKEEEEEDDDDDBAAAAAAAAARRRRRDD! !!!!!!!!!!

*glomps back*

ghassassin

02-21-2008, 05:29 PM

This chapter was kinda annoying i really didn't want claires group to come that quickly :/

To someone who finished the whole series in a day, it was kinda surprising. Seriously, they appear like ghosts and walk away as the saviors. But I hadn't expected Miata to get owned that easily. She didn't put up any show. I wonder what will "colored hair" and Miata do with Galatea, after this fight is over.

beakedbard

02-21-2008, 06:01 PM

Yeah i was kinda thinking that as well how's Miata going to react after the youma is dead even if she does continue going after Galatea she'll now have Claire's group to fight as well i kinda want Miata to awaken though Claire's group would instantly own her if that happened sigh i'm confused that do they intend to do in the next chapter now >.<

samurai89

02-21-2008, 06:09 PM

Clarice wont allow Miata to awaken.But i dont know what those two will do in the next chapter.

:mad:*frustrated waiting*:mad:

:postcount:

ghassassin

02-21-2008, 06:12 PM

Whatever the case may be, I don't want Galatea to join Clare's group. And looks like Miata won't be having her original mission, let go. I don't think Miata will awaken though, otherwise she'll be as good as dead.

Scorpio-Girl

02-21-2008, 06:15 PM

I think she should join. Galatea would be an asset to the group.

I didn't really think about the possibility that Miata could awaken but that idea does sound really probable... crazy girl awakening to turn into a reckless killing machine.. and of course, first victim... Clarice. :devil:

Playmore

02-22-2008, 12:06 AM

*discreetly stabs to death Clarice in her back... * :ninja::D

EmoEmu

02-22-2008, 01:06 AM

miata and clarice should just stop fighting and watch the spectacle, then with galatea dead (she ll die in my head, after slaying the AB and giving some body part to clarice) the two groups will probably just part ways. course this will probably take more than one chapter.
my two lame cents.

ghassassin

02-22-2008, 01:12 AM

samurai89

02-22-2008, 01:46 AM

Except for sending the hound. (The hound is Miata if your that slow)

samurai89

02-22-2008, 07:12 PM

If the group does topple the organization somehow. What will happen to all the yoma?

wany1981

02-22-2008, 07:19 PM

anyone else hear anything about the new chapter preview spoiler?

lsumd2011

02-22-2008, 07:21 PM

Nope, not a thing, why you heard something?

ibn

02-22-2008, 08:44 PM

maybe the 4th of march. i know on this weeks WSJ cover there is a small picture of clare and that date next to it. but there is also a SQ, but i don't know what that means. damn me and my inability to read japanese.

EmoEmu

02-22-2008, 10:50 PM

Indeed your 2 cents are lame and its highly unlikely what you said. Firstly, Miata and Clarice are not fighting, or are they? Secondly, even if Galatea dies, why would she give her parts to Clarice? What has Clarice done for her?

yeah, except miata and clarice are fighting. well, i guess. you know. jumping around and slashing things and getting hurt. getting in the way. i think its the best they can do.
and pcha. what the hlel did clare do for irene. shes still goes around collecting body parts. im just saying, galatea seems to not mind the brunette. good heart, ranaranarana. i was hoping galatea would see her cowardice and be disgusted, but iunno i just got the vibe that she saw something nice in her. lol, i know its highly unlikely, but itll just be nice to have something happen to clarice if shes the one narrating for now.

raptorfalcon

02-23-2008, 02:22 AM

I for one see miata going for galatea after the AB is slayed, at that point clare will interfere and let her know who's boss :p

lsumd2011

02-23-2008, 04:33 PM

Meh, Miata will just end up nipple raping Clare. :p

SilentBuddhist

02-24-2008, 08:56 PM

Well my reasons for thinking they'll take Galatea with them are kinda obvious...I mean she's been gone for awhile, why just leave her there if she manages to live?

I'm also predicting that they'll take Clarice and Miata with them, not to join them, but to keep them from reporting that they are still alive to the Organization. Miata would put up a fight of course, but if they threatened to kill Clarice if she did, then I think Miata will stay quiet and have no choice but to obey.

P.S. Go vote Teresa in the OMCB! She's up again, and she can't advance without your help!

Dantrag

02-24-2008, 09:03 PM

Voted for Teresa and Ed, though at this point it propably is too late. Maybe we should make a protest that the Naruto/Bleach/OP had an unfair advatage to begin with...

SilentBuddhist

02-24-2008, 09:09 PM

They don't listen ;_; They'd probably vote for an OP or Naruto character over Gantz's Muscle Rider even.

Tards...>.>

So did my chapter prediction make sense or not really?

shonenshojo

02-24-2008, 09:15 PM

Urahara's winning T_T
The new OMCB came out pretty quickly this time...I'm changing my sig again-_-

I didn't really get your chapter prediction so...not really.

Dantrag

02-24-2008, 09:16 PM

I'd say that it is plausible. But Miata is just like Priscilla, she is a very unpredictable power house who can do nasty things with the slightest provocation.

I have a hard time remembering the names of the black coats besides Rubul, but the one that handles Clarice stated that Miata has enough power that if her mind was more stable she could waltz in and take the place of #1, meaning she has power to rival abyssal ones but she is like Priscilla, both of them are Atomic Bombs that don't know where and when they are supposed to explode.

chezkimo

02-24-2008, 09:17 PM

i agree with you. IF they kill agasa, Galatea won't need to have a reason to stay in Rabona and I'm sure that clare and company will be ha[ppy to have the former #3 and formidable Galatea on thier side. I don't think they'll take miata and clarice with em though cause miata's too much of a wild card. Clare will probably just say summit like "Don't report this if you want your life spared" and dissapear as quickly as she got there.

By the way, voted for Teresa. Damn, they already have a head start. 15 - 7. approx. 70% votes for Clog and hat (who is soooo not more characteristic than teresa) At this rate Teresa will lose for sure. we should contact all the 1MMCM members to vote for teresa!!!

Also, when they say she CAN become #1, that dosn't mean she can rival an abyssal one. It means she can get to the same level as any of the abyssal ones before they awoke. But i think she's way too inexperienced just to become #1 if she was sane. The only reason why A&B can rival an abyssal is because Alicia is as strong as an abyssal one when she awakens. I'm not even sure if Teresa can rival an abyssal one when she was still alive. Although she'd put up a good fight.

SilentBuddhist

02-24-2008, 09:18 PM

Well here's the thing. Clarice would be able to figure out that Mira and the gang are renegades from 7 years ago, and they know it. They'd take them as hostages or prisoners to keep them from being known to the Organization. They could overpower Clarice for sure, but Miata would fight back, no doubt. So, someone would threaten to kill Clarice if Miata tried to fight, and knowing Miata, she would have to step down.

Playmore

02-24-2008, 09:23 PM

Well my reasons for thinking they'll take Galatea with them are kinda obvious...I mean she's been gone for awhile, why just leave her there if she manages to live?

Well Galatea and the ghost team had their own agenda before they met. They might or surely found something in common. They will probably work together.

I'm also predicting that they'll take Clarice and Miata with them, not to join them, but to keep them from reporting that they are still alive to the Organization. Miata would put up a fight of course, but if they threatened to kill Clarice if she did, then I think Miata will stay quiet and have no choice but to obey.

they cannot take them... like i said in an earlier post those 2 just leak out too much yoki. They cannot effectively hide their yoki and it's something they can't learn in 30 minutes. Org could pinpoint their moves easily.They could use some pills but dunno if they have some more in reserve.

shonenshojo

02-24-2008, 09:26 PM

I don't think Clarice is smart enough for that. The organization would have tried to keep the Pieta Mission quiet, judging by their motives for it. The Northern claymore group would probably runaway after questioning Galatea how much things have changed. I don't think that they'd try to take any hostages since they're traveling to the south and hostages would just slow them down.

SilentBuddhist

02-24-2008, 09:28 PM

Well Galatea and the ghost team had their own agenda before they met. They might or surely found something in common. They will probably work together.

they cannot take them... like i said in an earlier post those 2 just leak out too much yoki. They cannot effectively hide their yoki and it's something they can't learn in 30 minutes. Org could pinpoint their moves easily.They could use some pills but dunno if they have some more in reserve.
I think they have enough to last awhile. And if Galatea goes with them, she has the ability to suppress yoki(remember Clare?), so I'm assuming that it wouldn't be too much of a hassle. And if they try to fight her back and release a lot of yoki, I think they'd only wear themselves out too, if they tried. Galatea's senses and all that are much better than they were 7 years ago.

chezkimo

02-24-2008, 09:29 PM

Hey, d'you think maybe the org. new about Agasa being in Rabona and Gal aswell and they sent Miata anyway, so that there's a chance that either Agasa OR galatea could be killed. Win - Win situation for the org.

Excel-Kleinwald

02-24-2008, 10:14 PM

OneManga Character Battle is up... like it matters... *sigh*

Chibitea

02-24-2008, 11:21 PM

they should be able to take care of Agasa without much trouble , after all they have been able to fight efficiently against other awaken beens in the past , and after 7 seven years of training they should be able to take down even single digit claymores as well so probably Agasa will be defeated without any of the 7 taking much damage ..about clarice an miata they probably will go back to the organization but just lie about what happened cause otherwise there's no much that they can do cause is very unlikely that the 7 will take miata and clarice with them

Excel-Kleinwald

02-24-2008, 11:24 PM

Here's something I've found interesting. How so many Claymore characters have so many foreign names like Teresa, Clare, Tabitha and so on.

chezkimo

02-24-2008, 11:29 PM

Probz coz the author for some reason gets his names from many different interests (several of the claymores for some reason are named after comets and most of the handlers are anmed after museums) Go figure. Also, it's kinda set in a medieval time and everything resembles it aswell. And these names are medieval-ish, where as it probably wouldn't be appropiate to give them japanese names.

Tekkaman Saber

02-24-2008, 11:35 PM

I think it's probably for a similar reason to fma it's based ina european setting so it would make sence to have european names.

off topic
chez can i save a copy of your avy?

chezkimo

02-25-2008, 12:40 AM

yh sure.

Yeah, in the character batle Teresa's catching up! Quick anyone who hasn't voted go vote in the Otaku chat!!! We still might be able to win!

samurai89

02-25-2008, 01:05 AM

The Bleach fans outnumber us in the poll. We need all the support we can get if we want to win,or at least not loose embarrassingly

beakedbard

02-25-2008, 06:44 AM

Teresa needs to win i swear to god i will kill someone rl if she doesn't :)

Dantrag

02-25-2008, 08:26 AM

Maybe we could sue sniper for setting up a rigged poll? c(=

I'd prefer Teresa winning too, it does piss me off as well.

beakedbard

02-25-2008, 08:46 AM

Damn those bleach fans then again tbh i can't say much cause my fav manga chara is from bleach but still Teresa should own Urahara with ease :(

Oh btw where's hyn and lou cause i havn't seen let alone spoken to those two in ages.

samurai89

02-25-2008, 09:51 AM

The character battle has skyrocketed between Teresa and Urahara. Currently Teresa is falling behind by a few votes so get your *** there and vote dammit!

Chibitea

02-25-2008, 10:24 AM

yes ,the diference now is about 5 - 10 votes so go vote !! actually i did the whole acount thing just to vote for the coolest number 1 ever XD , by the way , when does the poll ends ?

ibn

02-25-2008, 10:33 AM

i'm impressed by the turnout for the battles. i'm even more impressed by the fact that Teresa is so close.

chezkimo

02-25-2008, 10:39 AM

At the end of the week i believe. and there's already been 21 pages. GOD. the thread will have to be moved soon and another opened up unless the mods just delete all the spam messages.

Now that more claymore fans are voting (because most claymore fans arn't members of the OM forum abd now fans are coming onto OM forum just to vote finally this isn't looking like a one sided fight.
Perhaps if Teresa will beat Urahara she'll actually get some appreciation for once! And i have a bad feeling that Kenpachi's gonna beat Ed.

On a side note, lets have a discussion about the former #2s that have cropped up.

1. Rosemary
2. Rigaldo
3. Agasa

Which one do you think is the most powerfullest?

Rigaldohas immense speed.
Agasa's defense is incredible. The only way to hurt her is to cut her hair and she can shoot out those hundreds of extended limbs.
And fianlly Rosemary, being a #1 in the past, has overall GREAT strength, a terribly horrifying form and from whatr we've seen she could be as fast as Rigaldo.

I think the best is Agasa though

what d'you think?

Chibitea

02-25-2008, 10:44 AM

About the names .. some of them come from ancient greek names (galatea ,
irene ,helen ,teresa) others from french .. which are names that match perfectly with the "medieval Europe" setting of the manga , just imagine if they had japanese names it would be really out of place if clare's name were something like hiromi , it wouldn't match at all with the whole tone of the manga so maybe that's why the names aren't japanese

well i would have to say that Agasa it's the best of the three mainly cause she's still alive XD

but probably not for long .. most likely she'll be dead by march ...

beakedbard

02-25-2008, 10:56 AM

I kinda agree there if any of those would of been forced into i think Agasa would probobly win simply because she's almost unhittable from the mass defences she's got around her as well as being quite strong.

ibn

02-25-2008, 11:29 AM

who was Rosemary again?

and wouldn't Pricilla be the strongest number two? i guess she wasn't when she awaken technically, since Teresa has already left the organization at that point, but she was still referred to as a number 2.

man... imo, Agasa is weak sauce. i think that a team of two single digits and a teen could take her out. honestly, i think that if Galatea had never stopped training her could have easily taken her out by herself. in term of Yoki sensing her abilities have greatly increased but in terms of battle strength i think her ability has greatly decreased. 7 years without fighting sure is a long time.

Dantrag

02-25-2008, 12:09 PM

who was Rosemary again?

Rosemary was the #1 before Teresa. When Teresa showed up she was demoted to #2. She became jelous because she thought that Teresa was a worthless trash so she awakened, after awakening had her black card sent to Teresa who then slaughtered her effortlessly, releasing only 10% of her yoki.

That 10% was enough to terrify even a former #1 so much that she called Teresa a monster.

Rosemary only appears in Claymore Extra scene 1.

pigpie

02-25-2008, 12:22 PM

Speaking of Prissy,is she really stronger than Teresa.I mean we didn't really seen her fight with the awakened Prissy because Prissy did a sneak attack on Teresa.I find it hard to imagine Teresa being thrashed.

I also find Agasa weak...she is most probably going to die in the next chapter...just to let us know how much Clare has progressed.

Chibitea

02-25-2008, 12:25 PM

Galatea did what she could imo because with miata's help she could have been able to defeat Agasa but then again miata is fighting against her full force while Galatea is actually focusing in defeating Agasa ,i dont think Gal is fighting miata seriously is more like she is dodging her attacks , she actually helps miata and Clarice "the brunette" when they are in need so imo Gal did a lot is just that winning ALONE against a Single digit and a former number 2 awakened at the same is not that easy XD

P.s : hahaha Clarice should be named Clarice "the brunette" it actually fits her quite well XD

chezkimo

02-25-2008, 01:24 PM

lol, no duh. Anyway, i don't think Agasa is weak and i don't think Gal could take her as the speed needed to get past Agasa's defense would have to be Miria's level of speed. But i think certainly clare and freinds can take her seeing as clare and gang are on a whole different level to normal claymores.

What i can't figure out though is why ALL the #2s awaken (beth dosn't count) and most of them have an inferiority complex. Rigaldo and Rosemary both hated the fact that they were #2 and got thier asses handed to them by thier #1 comrades and Agasa's arragontness is probably the result of an inferiority complex.

Chibitea

02-25-2008, 01:54 PM

there's a lot of crazy former number 2 running around Lol , with crazy amnesiac prissy leading the way XD btw talking about former number 2 what about Irene vs Raphaela wich one do u guys think made it ? o u don't think they fought ?

Irene herself was kinda jealous of Teresa's power , it pretty obvious by the way she acts and talks about teresa during the "mark of the deceased" chapters

but when clare finds irene again irene kinda regrets the whole "teresa incident" actually giving clare her arm and telling clare that she should live as a proof that teresa lived so i guess she paid her debt XD

ibn

02-25-2008, 02:16 PM

ahhh... i remember Rosemary now... she was weak sauce too.

hmmm... in a fight Raphaela would win easily. Irene has no arms.... and i do think they fought, well, at least Irene isn't alive anymore.

as for the "Teresa incident," i don't think it's exactly regret. it's hard to describe what it was. something like jealousy, or enviousness, maybe a longing for the what Clare and Teresa had.

ghassassin

02-25-2008, 04:30 PM

What could Irene have done without her arms? If Raphaela had found her and wished to kill her, then she is probably dead by now. But maybe Raphaela would have had thought killing a armless person is of no use, so maybe Irene is still alive somewhere with no importance whatsoever.

lsumd2011

02-25-2008, 05:39 PM

Rosemary was the #1 before Teresa. When Teresa showed up she was demoted to #2. She became jelous because she thought that Teresa was a worthless trash so she awakened, after awakening had her black card sent to Teresa who then slaughtered her effortlessly, releasing only 10% of her yoki.

That 10% was enough to terrify even a former #1 so much that she called Teresa a monster.

Rosemary only appears in Claymore Extra scene 1.

Ya know, when you think about it, |Rosemary was a number one, so when she awakened shouldn't her powers have been in an around that of an abyssal one? And that would also mean that Teressa was strong enough to take at least a Rigaldo level awakened one, possibly even an abyssal one on, with only releasing 10% of her yoki. Damn that woman was strong, how in god's name Priscilla took her out is a miracle in it of itself.

ghassassin

02-25-2008, 05:42 PM

Well no doubt about that. She was indeed strong. Priscilla took her by surprise and some "feelings" came in Teresa's way. But still a number 1 turning into an awakened one has to be strong and taking her on her own was indeed a feat.

chezkimo

02-25-2008, 07:08 PM

I wouldn't say Rosemary was AS powerful as a #1. And no way would she of been able to be on equal standing with the abyssal ones such as Riful and Isley. I'd say she was above the level of rigaldo and agasa but not #1 material. summit like 1.5 and also priscialla only defeated her because she tricked her. Making priscilla the most hated claymore character of all time.

I mean we all slightly like all of the abyssal ones and some of us are actually big fans of riful and isley. And everyone thought Agasa and rigaldo was cool and even Dauf's stupidity makes us see him as no villain, but not one person likes Priscilla. I guess that's what makes her the true villain of claymore.

samurai89

02-25-2008, 07:42 PM

Making Prissy ONE of the most hated Claymore characters of all time. Dont you forget Raki dammit!

ghassassin

02-25-2008, 08:22 PM

I don't mind Priscilla. Raki pisses me off more. Who cares if Priscilla killed Teresa? At least we had a story to look into. It was Teresa's fault for getting carried off in the moment and losing her guard. Not saying she did anything wrong, it was essential part of the story, but what Priscilla did was the urge for survival. There is nothing "hateful" in that.

Dantrag

02-25-2008, 08:28 PM

*drops a nuke on samurai for mentioning that hated name*

Anyways no. Being a #1 is no quarantee that the person will be on the Abyssal-level. The power flunctuations between generations are enourmous. If you look at the single digits of Clarice's generation and compare them to Clare's, most of them are pretty much trash (excluding Alicia and Beth (1&2) and Miata (4)).

- Isley was the very first #1 of the very first claymore generation (all males) and the very first abyssal one
- Riful was the youngest female #1 of the first claymore generation that was fully female and the youngest to awaken. My ques is that Riful was from generation 5 or so because in the manga we have seen 38 male awakened beings so far and I have a hard time believing that that many could come from a single generation and survive all those years with awakened hunts and AB's killing each other.
- Luciela and Raphaela were from generation 75 or 76, right before Teresa and their power was equal. Meaning if Raphy would awaken she'd propably be just as strong as Luciela in her awakened form.
- Rosemary was #1 somewhere around here but her generation is unknown (Quite frankly the generation count seems somewhat inaccurate because of the amount of trainees that die during training and the amount of claymores that die on missions)
- Then came Teresa, the strongest claymore that we have been shown besides Priscilla. They say in the manga that she was from generation 77.
- Priscilla became #2 of Teresa's time just shortly before the death of the latter and the awakening of the former.
- Clare joins the org almost immediatelly after Teresa's death
- Clare's time and Clarice's time Alicia and Beth and #1&2

Quite frankly the info is too insufficient to say that most #1 would be abyssal level simply because we have over 70 generations that we really know nothing about...

methaniel

02-25-2008, 09:04 PM

Uh? I just finally finish reading this serie...but why hating Priscille? I actually think she's one of the best so far (furthermore with what she's now). And I agree about what Dantrag state, your power as an awaken being depend of you, not of your former rank in the organisation. Aww, I have yet to read the extras, cause there is things I don't understand abot all this speaking

Phantasm

02-26-2008, 01:32 AM

About Irene & Raphaela:

Both were #2 one point in time.
Irene, between the time of Rosemary's death and Prissy's advancement.
Raphaela, long before Teresa, until she became "dead" to the Org. She returned as #5.

There is a possibility that Irene is still alive but I doubt it. Maybe Irene had information about Luciela, Raphaela's sister. Irene could sense a "familiar presence," meaning Clare's (when Ophelia was chasing down Clare) and came forth. If she could sense Clare maybe she could also sense Luciela somewhere in the distance? Lol, it's a stretch but she could also sense how strong Raphaela was (despite the latter's yoki being supressed):
Irene: "As strong as you are, why have you stopped at Number 5?"
Raph: "Sorry but I've got no reason to answer that, either."
Maybe Irene gave her a reason? Maaaaybe.

She also said she wouldn't die so easy but uh, what was she going to do without arms? Jump off the cliff? Who knows; Maybe she's become a nun somewhere.

Other reasons to believe she's dead: Well, 1, the feeling Clare got from the borrowed arm seconds after Irene's encounter with Raph. 2, because Irene has "died" and came back once already. 3, Irene didn't seem to have anything to live for anymore? Plus, if she remained alive then Clare would have to return the arm and that would just suck for Clare D:

Blame for Teresa's death I sort of side with Irene because she told Priscilla, whom supresses her yoma energy, to release her yoki and not hold back. And from there Priscilla pretty much went crazy and did the unthinkable.

About Priscilla:

When the attack on Teresa began, Priscilla didn't go according to plan; She didn't strike Teresa from behind, a.k.a. "sneak up" on her, because she felt that would be cowardly. She was also polite, asking forgiveness from Teresa for stating they came to take her head. I guess when her "inner-yoma" awakened she forgot all about the politics of politeness and (realizing she couldn't defeat Teresa any other way) did something rather "cowardly," "sneaky" and rather horrible D;

I do wonder what happened to all other #1's of past generations. And how exactly do they number generations, since one generation doesn't necessarily have to become entirely wiped out to begin a new one?

Levonze

02-26-2008, 04:58 AM

Galatea being the bestfreakingcharacterinthewholeentireuniverse and all.
Should first regain her eyes using yoki which she should be able to since the damage was received after becoming a Claymore. And than join Clare's gang but that's unlikely I think or at least I think.

Raphaela probably spared Irene's life she didn't really have a reason to kill her...
Not that she needed one but than again Irene is useless now without her arms so we can just leave her MIA for the rest of the series and no one would care.

Chibitea

02-26-2008, 10:14 AM

yes Galatea rocks ! but i don't think she'll be able to regain her eyes :( i mean she's been blind for a few years right now so it's kinda unlikely that she'll be able to regain them ..

btw TERESA is ahead on the poll !! so if u still haven't voted, Goo vote now !! XD the link to the poll is on the main page of onemanga

chezkimo

02-26-2008, 11:36 AM

Nope. Have to disagree Chibitea. Galatea could reenerate her eyes, as she's a defensive and even offensive claymores can regenerate eyes. Besides that when it comes to the encounter of raphaela and irene, they gace the impression that Raphaela could've regenerated her eyes even after so many years, but probably if she only released some yoki.

If Galatea wants her arm and eyes back she's gonna have to release some yoki. Either that or just continue to fight without them. though i prefer Gal without eyes now. blind and still the hottest damn claymore ever.

Also, in terms of someone saying what happened to the other #1s. There probably wern't any other #1s. All of the #1s so far have been abyssal one level when they've awakened. Meaning coming across a claymore worth of #1 isn't so easy. Also #1s last for a very long time and for multiple generations (example Alicia and Beth who so far have lasted 2 generations) By the way, Rosemary dosn't count as #1 seeing as it was just after Luciela trashing the Org and they were short on warriors.

If they recruit orphans all at roughly the same time or age, then maybe it turns into a new generation when most of those orphans have grown up and entered the rankings. So many claymores die or awaken in the space of a year, when more than lets say 1/4 of them is replaced by claymores of a newer generation, then it makes it into a new generation.

Chibitea

02-26-2008, 01:50 PM

I wouldn't know about that, i mean i know she has the ability to regenerate easily been a defensive type warrior , but what i meant was that maybe her eye wounds have already closed so she wouldn't be able to regenerate because of that .... but anyway i think so to that she's cooler been blind ,the fact that she could take both miata an agasa attacks that easily been blind makes her look a lot more powerful than if she had her eyes XD

about releasing yoki that doesn't look like a big deal anymore i mean the Organization already knows where Galatea is and more important that she is alive so if they really want to get rid of her they'll be sending more claymores after her so if gal really wants to survive she has to release her yoki to regenerate maybe not her eyes (cause she said that without them she could sense yoki a lot better) but al least her arm cause it wolud be really hard for her to take a powerful claymore with just one arm

... too bad for gal that Irene didn't have 3 arms XD

Lawliet, L

02-27-2008, 03:51 AM

is galatea a defense type warrior?.,..
when will they release the chapoter 78?...
cant wait to see it^^,..

pigpie

02-27-2008, 05:48 AM

Galatea is a defensive type warrior.She can regenerate if she wants to but she opts no to,mainly to disguise herself in the Holy City since her hair isn't an issue as it is usually covered under the Nun uniform.

The new chapter will be out next month...not sure when though,I am guessing next week.

I have put up a new story on my own Claymore story....go read if you want.
http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?p=311391#post311391

Phantasm

02-27-2008, 08:50 PM

So there's that movie 3:10 to Yuma.
Definitely includes former #40's, the weakling out of the 7's, name.
(Has anyone seen it?)

It still boggles my mind how Yuma wasn't anything lower than #40. She seems way timid/not confident but I suppose we have yet to see of any of her special abilities.

chezkimo

02-27-2008, 10:23 PM

I'm sure even Yuma has become kick *** after 7 years.

You know if the Org finds out that thye 7 are alive, they're gonna be pissed and alittle afraid. I mean Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen not only being half awakened have been training non-stop for 7 years. All 4 of em have gotta be hella powerful.

And Yuma was weak before the 7 year gap, and even though she's been training, because she hasn't tested her power or been able to compare it with normal clahymores she still hold her character trait.

ghassassin

02-27-2008, 11:34 PM

I am sure the organization has some idea of their existence. They are being ignorant and taking it for granted. They have had reports of their existence and by now it would have been evident that all of them can't be hoax. In order to exterminate them, organization would be needing a pretty strong team. Considering Alicia and Beth are under training and directed more or less towards the abyssal ones, and lower ranked ones will be of no use; they are waiting for the right time.

Chibitea

02-28-2008, 12:08 AM

I think the Org is handling the 7 the same way the handle an AB situation "Don't mess with them unless they mess with you" because honestly i don't think the Org has enough powerful warriors to defeat those 7 , unless they use beth and alicia against them which seems unlikely because of beth/alicia fighting style .... And was it just me or you think so too that the new claymores seem pretty weak ...specially Audrey the new number 3 i mean in theory she's the best Claymore after Beth and Alicia but the ability she showed against riful was pretty weak imo and she was defeated pretty easily too the same goes for number 4 ray...

so what do u think ? u think the new generation is weaker or stronger than the 7's one?

SaroVati

02-28-2008, 04:53 AM

Well it's hard to say. The previous top 5 were very strong but this generations #1 and #2 are amazingly powerful together (Don't think they can do jack squat without each other). Of course, as Miria stated long ago when we saw the first AB hunt, the newer generations are ALOT stronger than old. If i'm not mistaken, she said that even though she was 6th, she was nothing compared to the top 5. Ray and the #3 Claymore might have seemed weak vs. Riful, but think about it. If the 7 can't take Riful right now, how would 2.... They also seem like they are new and don't have large amounts of experience, so they might have underestimated an Abyssal One. Overall, I think that the new generation is stronger, but the 7 have trained non-stop so who knows :).

pigpie

02-28-2008, 05:36 AM

The previous 1 and 2 are the same as the current generation if I am not wrong,it is still the twins.

The current generation ones are definitely weaker,I mean Audrey is kinda dumb because she cannot even sense Rifuls hidden yoki and that is something Galatea could sense and even Clare,a no 47,although Clare and Galatea specialize in sensing yoki ,it is still pretty dumb that Audrey overlook the fact that she is facing an Abyssal one.

I think the previous 1 to 5 is strong is mainly because 1 and 2 are special case,3 is Galatea who we know was strong,now she is umm.....,4 is a psycho ***** and 5 is a claymore who was as strong as the no1 in the 77th gen.