Claymore XX

[SilentBuddhist]

Whoa Nelly, 20th thread! Great work 1MMCM :thumbup: *glomps all 1MMCM Members*

Continuing from Claymore XIX.

No Duath, listen to me. Here, look at this. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/e40b6771.gif

You're not suppose to be able to figure it out.

I'm not going to figure that out....

I can't figure that out anyway so why bother?

Hello claymore ppl.....

huh....considering the arms proportions, even if it does contain yoma blood I don't think clare's overall % of yoma would be that much higher...waaaiiit.....so how many different blood types does she have in her? hmmm she has her own, some of teresa's human blood, some of her yoma blood, some of Irenes human blood, and then irenes yoma blood.......she have 5 different blood types in her?!?.........AIDS??

anyhow, congrats to SB for getting that mod position >.>

Clare being 3/4 Yoma isn't really possible at this point, she'd have to be a Yoma originally and then have a Claymore's flesh infused into her to achieve that result. Even with Irene's arm her Yoma proportion would be 1/2 at most.

i think im being idealistic in hoping that she wouldnt rely on her yoma fractions for physical support in every single fight anymore now that shes been practicing yoki suppression.

[Duath]

I'm getting shleeepy....

When you clap I shall be under your spell...


;D

Ah, to confusing. Anyway, I was thinking about "master swordsmen" in the Claymore universe. In other words those who are human and have mastered the sword. Can they defeat yoma? A Claymore?

Would they be skilled if they became Claymore? How skilled? Does the power of a Claymore come from the human half, or the Yoma half?


Thoughts?


1MMCM is the Claymore club on the forums

[SilentBuddhist]

I'm getting shleeepy....

When you clap I shall be under your spell...


;D

Ah, to confusing. Anyway, I was thinking about "master swordsmen" in the Claymore universe. In other words those who are human and have mastered the sword. Can they defeat yoma? A Claymore?

Would they be skilled if they became Claymore? How skilled? Does the power of a Claymore come from the human half, or the Yoma half?


Thoughts?


1MMCM is the Claymore club on the forums
If it were a human master swordsman, it's like asking how strong Raki would be after 7 years of training under Isley...Even if he became the greatest swordsman in history, I doubt he'd be able to fight a Claymore beyond #40. If that same swordsman became a Claymore though, I'd say that swordsman would be high ranked, maybe in the single digits range. High ranked because of the experience that swordsman had, plus the bonus of having yoma blood.

1MMCM = 1 Manga Mafia Claymore Members.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Yeah, I think the strength of a Claymore really depends on their capabilities as a human, not the quality of the Yoma flesh they were infused with.

Therefore, combining an AB with a human wouldn't necessarily lead to a more powerful result. But it will probably make them awaken faster...

[Dantrag]

Not to mention, since Raki is a man, even if he became a claymore he'd awaken very quickly just like every other male claymore did. Unless of course they use a convinient plot device, but I hope they won't do that as excessivelly as certain weekly mangas *cough* Bleach, Naruto *cough*

Any news on official the claymore-group?

[Noelle]

Nope, no news so far. Or as far as I know. >.>"


Would they be skilled if they became Claymore? How skilled? Does the power of a Claymore come from the human half, or the Yoma half?
'Master swordsmen' just might be able to take down an average Yoma. However I doubt they can survive multiple Yomas, or a Yoma of the strength of the one in Rabona. [just look at Galk and Cid back then. And they weren't exactly apprentices.] Awakened Beings are completely out of the question; anything short of a claymore would probably not do even a scratch on them, unless they choose to split their human side from the rest. Which then maybe, a 'master swordsman' would stand a slight, very slight, but not impossible chance.

Claymores get nearly all of their power from the Yoma half. In Chapter One Clare mentions the Yoma's flesh and blood enhances their speed and increases their strength such that they can single-handedly wield a claymore just like any other blade. Without the Yoma half, Claymores wouldn't be able to wield the weapon they were named after, and they certainly won't have the enhancement capability of Yoki to tackle Voracious Eaters or Yomas of the Rabona Yoma's strength. Oh, not to mention, the Claymores would definitely not have specialties such as mirages and Yoki manipulation, if they themselves were not half-Yoma. :3

Of course the human side does have a part to play, but it's a small part. The human side acts as an anchor for them; that's all. Why do humans say that Claymores are monsters? Because they are already monsters, the only difference between them and a Yoma is that their half-human side acts as the anchor so they fight for humanity's survival, and not for humanity's destruction. But their strength - especially the single-digits and above average Claymores - are probably beyond any master swordsmen's capability in the Claymore universe.

[Stifler]

I'm getting shleeepy....

When you clap I shall be under your spell...


;D

Ah, to confusing. Anyway, I was thinking about "master swordsmen" in the Claymore universe. In other words those who are human and have mastered the sword. Can they defeat yoma? A Claymore?

Would they be skilled if they became Claymore? How skilled? Does the power of a Claymore come from the human half, or the Yoma half?


Thoughts?



Assuming that the Claymore does not depend on the unearthly powers granted to her by the yoma blood in her, the master swordsman would win. But even if she does use her powers, the swordsman would still have a chance. In a duel between to experts, half the battle is fought in the mind. Playing mind games with the opponent would make him/her confused and cause him/her to give an opening.

[htcheng]

I think being a Master Swordsman will give them the skillful moves in a fight from its training and experience and yoma blood will give them the power and speed. You cannot be strong without either one, you can be skillful with a sword but lack the Yoma strength to cut down the hard skin of an awaken being sucks, but having Yoma strength and speed and lack the moves of a skillful swordsman and fighting blindly wouldn't work either, since a skillful fighter can easily sidestep and dodge all your moves.

But if you ask me a fight between a normal master swordsman and an awaken being who would win, I say the more experienced fighter would win in the end. In Raki's case I say he can probably stand up to claymore above the 30's if he receives some serious training from his master, but any number below that just wouldn't work since by the time a claymore is below number 30 they probably be skillful using a sword and have the yoma power to back it up.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Nah, no human can match the speed or strength of ANY claymore. At most a human will be able to kill yoma but not a claymore. Perhaps with luck, a VERY skilled person could kill a claymore above the 40's. For one thing thats wrong with your statement, a claymore can improve their sword skill until they are good with a sword. Humans on the other hand may have good swordsmanship but it is impossible for them to attain any more power after a certain extent no matter how much he trains he won't be able to get stronger.

[Useless]

Not really...
A human can keep getting stronger. A human could be better with a sword than a Claymore even. Even a high ranked Claymore. However, they wouldn't be able to kill them. A weak Claymore has the physical abilities of a strong human. That coupled with releasing youki and the special abilities they develop through using their youki, they'd be able to kill any human...
So...the point was, humans can keep getting stronger..>.>"
Kind of a wasted post.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

yeah, I couldn't tell what you were trying to prove after your first line >.>

anyways, I know that a human can keep getting stronger (because the human body allows that) but in relation to a claymore.....its just not possible to train that much in one lifetime. And I'm pretty sure muscles have a limit somewhere.....

[Useless]

Stronger doesn't have to mean muscles..unless you mean just brute force. I think of it as fighting power.
You could train in speed instead of strength, or sword skill, or [whatever...].

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Muscles in your legs is what allows speed >.>......I thought that was common knowledge....

[Useless]

....What the hell kind of training would a human do to have all his muscles at their max capacity?
I don't think they'd train their legs while trying to gain strength....or their arms while gaining speed. This is pointless though...

[Tensa Zangetsu]

I didn't understand your point with your last post.......but yeah this is pointless cause even if a human ran 20 miles each day with 30 pound weights on and two dumbells in each hand, it would be futile against a claymore that gains instant strength....all through inserting stuff into their body.....almost like steroids.....

[Leorio]

I think its hard to say how a master swordsmen matches up to a Claymore yet since we have to really see a master swordsmen yet.

What I am sure they are no match for is a Awaken being a human just don't have the power to cut thru them. While against a Claymore they do have at least have a chance since they can cut thru a claymore like any other normal human and skill and timing can overcome speed and power of a claymore.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

I think the question was whether the strength of a Claymore comes from the quality of the Yoma they're infused with OR from their swordsman skills as humans, and IMO the answer is the latter. We know that inserting Yoma flesh into someone's body enhances their strength and speed, and the results wouldn't be much different whether said Yoma was strong or weak since the person's strength will be enahnced all the same. BUT the difference in power would be quite significant if the person in question was already an experienced fighter before they became a Claymore.

[Useless]

I think the question was whether the strength of a Claymore comes from the quality of the Yoma they're infused with OR from their swordsman skills as humans, and IMO the answer is the latter. We know that inserting Yoma flesh into someone's body enhances their strength and speed, and the results wouldn't be much different whether said Yoma was strong or weak since the person's strength will be enahnced all the same. BUT the difference in power would be quite significant if the person in question was already an experienced fighter before they became a Claymore.

That wasn't the question at all...>.>"
Ah, to confusing. Anyway, I was thinking about "master swordsmen" in the Claymore universe. In other words those who are human and have mastered the sword. Can they defeat yoma? A Claymore?



See?

Anyways, that isn't entirely true. What about Priscilla? She was a child and was automatically raised to number 2. Did she have super sword skill as a human? It would be strange if the answer was yes...Therefore, responding to your question, it would be the strength of the Yoma they were infused with that is the determining factor in their strength.

I don't recall when, but wasn't there some conversation within the organization about Clare and that guy wanting to "continue Teresa's legacy" by putting her in Clare? Doesn't that hint that the Yoma being infused with the Claymore counts?

Sword skill would be a bonus since anyone could kill a Yoma if they had superhuman strength, speed, and senses like a Claymore does....

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Would they be skilled if they became Claymore? How skilled? Does the power of a Claymore come from the human half, or the Yoma half?
^ I was referring to this.

Anyway, you do have a point there with the cases of Priscilla and Teresa, but if the Yoma flesh is what's truly important then why isn't all Claymores fused with powerful Yoma? Why do they still have lower ranked warriors and failures like Clarice, if these problems can simply be fixed with stronger Yoma?

[Useless]

The strength of the human itself is probably taken into account. If they took someone like Duph and put him into someone like Clarice, she probably wouldn't have been able to take it and would have awakened. Probably...maybe...>.>"

[Stifler]

But one wonders if Priss was actually infused with a superstrong yoma (maybe even an AB) in the first place? I think its more of a case of latent potential - Priss is just that much stronger than the other claymores, even through she's young. Its like, why aim carefully when you have an atom bomb?

[Useless]

The reason I took her age into account was because he was talking about sword skills as a human. Priscilla wouldn't have any, despite her potential, her current skill had nothing to do with sword skill.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

But one wonders if Priss was actually infused with a superstrong yoma (maybe even an AB) in the first place? I think its more of a case of latent potential - Priss is just that much stronger than the other claymores, even through she's young. Its like, why aim carefully when you have an atom bomb?
The fact that she had so much latent potential as a Claymore is what supports the theory that she was infused with a powerful Yoma.

Off topic: I haven't actually read any of the chapters before the Teresa arc, but I've seen the corresponding anime eps. Is there much difference between them?

[Stifler]

Which brings up this point: if the Org can do it with Priss, why didn't they do the same with all the other Claymores? I believe that it is actually the human part of the Claymore that determines how strong the Claymore actually it. Its like awakening the hidden talent in the person - the infusion of yoma parts caused that talent to reveal itself, never mind that the yoma's weak or not.

[SilentBuddhist]

Claymores like Teresa and Pris, I believe, didn't become so great with having a powerful yoma have its flesh imbued with a would-be Claymore. If it were a strong yoma, then yes, WHY aren't they doing that with other Claymores? I don't think it was easily done, or that it took a powerful yoma to make Claymores like Pris and Teresa. It was nature that created Teresa and Priscilla. So ya, I'm with Stifler on this: it had nothing to do with the yoma they were imbued with.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Yes, that was my point originally. But if the Yoma really didn't matter then why would the Org think that Clare would be able to inherit Teresa's powers by gaining her flesh and blood?

[biochemical]

Which brings up this point: if the Org can do it with Priss, why didn't they do the same with all the other Claymores? I believe that it is actually the human part of the Claymore that determines how strong the Claymore actually it. Its like awakening the hidden talent in the person - the infusion of yoma parts caused that talent to reveal itself, never mind that the yoma's weak or not.

i agree with that too. i think its more to do wtih how the claymore uses the yoma, and lesser to do with the yoma itself. how strong her mind is and her body strength and tech, which has a lot to do with how shes raised. the girls go in as young orphans, like blank slates for the organization to work on. alicia and her twin was raised solely for the purpose of fighting, trained like dogs. and the result was a fighting machine with strong soul link, just like the organization intended when looking for twins. its less likely they put a strong yoma in a normal twin and hoped for success via soul link.
id think "stronger yoma" would lead to quicker awakenings, not higher ranks (theyd be harder to control).

[hagger]

I think the thing that seems to affect it most is strength of will, which allows them to exploit their powers to their greatest extent. Sure, being skilled with a blade would help, especially when not using Yoma power. But if you have a look at it, all the most powerful claymores seem to be the ones with the strongest character, as in will. Teresa, Priscilla, Clare...
Thoughts?

[MacenKrace]

Yes, that was my point originally. But if the Yoma really didn't matter then why would the Org think that Clare would be able to inherit Teresa's powers by gaining her flesh and blood?

The power depends on the youma used to create the claymore since all humans have nearly the same physical power (actually that is still unknown but the organization may believe this).

[Noelle]

So ya, I'm with Stifler on this: it had nothing to do with the yoma they were imbued with.
I think both the Yoma and the human-to-be-infused have a part in this.

Why is there something called 'incompatibility' with the Yoma flesh and blood, AKA failed Claymores? The human body must be able to accept whatever part of the Yoma they infuse the Claymore with. Just like the example Hynavian used with Irene's arm: that a donated kidney can sometimes be attacked by the body because the body cannot accept it. It's just that since a Yoma is theoretically stronger than a human, the human cells probably cannot attack or destroy it, but they can nullify its enhancement capability by quite a great ratio, resulting in the production of a 'failed Claymore'.

Yet, I don't believe that Claymores with specific functions to the organization, such as the position of the 'eye', are just created by chance. Rimuto told Galatea the next 'eye' was in the process of being completed, suggesting that if the organization wishes so, Claymores excelling in certain aspects can be created, or at least, trained in that manner.

Alicia and Beth are another example. What would the organization do if both twins were incompatible with the random Yoma's flesh and blood? The chances are low, but it is still possible. To avoid even the slightest 0.1% chance of them being incompatible with the Yoma's flesh and blood, the organization had to have done something, to at least increase the chances of compatibility, if not make it impossible for incompatibility to happen.

[Noelle]

u guys just waste ur life chatting bull**** that doesnt mean anything in here. n i bet when ur not spending time wasting ur brain thinking about calymore, u look at other ppl around u n comment on their speach as stupid gas bagging. right?
... Huh?

[MacenKrace]

u guys just waste ur life chatting bull**** that doesnt mean anything in here. n i bet when ur not spending time wasting ur brain thinking about calymore, u look at other ppl around u n comment on their speach as stupid gas bagging. right?

Common language here is british english not a small dialect from a colony.

[Lucha]

I think both yomas and humans blood are essential.

It's like cooking..., Yomas are the ingredients, the raw material... and humans are the chef... Without good ingredients, chef cannot makes masterpiece, and without decent cooking skill, it'll hard to swallow the 'masterpiece'...

If the yoma 'planted' inside the claymores are weak, perhaps they'll become like warrior #40 or lower.
If the human 'hosts' are jokes, they'll just produce like... Clarice... (Personal opinion though)

Anyway..., about whether master swordsman can kill a claymore... How about like this...
Imagine Raki (just imagine) train so hard this 7 years that worth title 'Master Swordsman' clash sword against Clarice..., our claymore... failure...
Who do you think will win?

[MacenKrace]

I think both yomas and humans blood are essential.

It's like cooking..., Yomas are the ingredients, the raw material... and humans are the chef... Without good ingredients, chef cannot makes masterpiece, and without decent cooking skill, it'll hard to swallow the 'masterpiece'...

If the yoma 'planted' inside the claymores are weak, perhaps they'll become like warrior #40 or lower.
If the human 'hosts' are jokes, they'll just produce like... Clarice... (Personal opinion though)

Anyway..., about whether master swordsman can kill a claymore... How about like this...
Imagine Raki (just imagine) train so hard this 7 years that worth title 'Master Swordsman' clash sword against Clarice..., our claymore... failure...
Who do you think will win?

I love the Clarice part.... too awesome and it gave me a good laugh.

Also: No Human is a match for a Claymore failure or not.

[Lucha]

Also: No Human is a match for a Claymore failure or not.

In terms of Strengh, Speed, Reflex, all physical things, yes..., human is no match for claymore...
But, since Raki (if) train soooo hard that earned title 'Master Swordsman' , perhaps his little brain will improve too, and perhaps outsmart Clarice?

[MacenKrace]

In terms of Strengh, Speed, Reflex, all physical things, yes..., human is no match for claymore...
But, since Raki (if) train soooo hard that earned title 'Master Swordsman' , perhaps his little brain will improve too, and perhaps outsmart Clarice?
I stated before that Raki has the brain of a chipmunk and he won't be able to do that. Why? If he doesn't find out that Isley and Priscilla are AB then we surely won't have enough brain to outsmart Clarice.

[Lord Jure]

I stated before that Raki has the brain of a chipmunk and he won't be able to do that. Why? If he doesn't find out that Isley and Priscilla are AB then we surely won't have enough brain to outsmart Clarice.

lol, so true. We can't expect much from Raki.

[Duath]

I stated before that Raki has the brain of a chipmunk and he won't be able to do that. Why? If he doesn't find out that Isley and Priscilla are AB then we surely won't have enough brain to outsmart Clarice.

I don't know, I mean Clarice is pretty stupid as well. Letting an Awakened Being live, what does she think she is just going to be able to leave after Galatea is done (not saying this could ever happen). So, it would be a good match, methinks.

[MacenKrace]

I don't know, I mean Clarice is pretty stupid as well. Letting an Awakened Being live, what does she think she is just going to be able to leave after Galatea is done (not saying this could ever happen). So, it would be a good match, methinks.

good point there...

[SilentBuddhist]

I'm checking through Blancwolf's posting history, seems like he can't post without having some sort of insult in it. I'll think about checking with the staff about it.
I don't know, I mean Clarice is pretty stupid as well. Letting an Awakened Being live, what does she think she is just going to be able to leave after Galatea is done (not saying this could ever happen). So, it would be a good match, methinks.
>.<

Lol.

Good point though. It's like Clarice is a female Raki without the crying. When you're a Claymore, does common sense tell you to just leave an AB there?

Anyways, no human could ever hope to outmatch a Claymore, no matter who it was. And with Raki's overall stupidity, you can expect even less from him. If he can't even realize that Pris and Isely are AB's after all these 7 years, what can you expect?

Off-Topic: Macen, I did accept you but now it's asking for a group name. What should the group name be for Yahoo Messenger? I can't think of anything atm.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

The newbie's naivety is starting to piss me off. "Let's go kill our target and head out! Who cares if it takes awhile to get support from the Organization, and that by the time they get here everyone in the city will die?!"

I'd like to see her face when she realizes how ruthless that Organization really is.

[Duath]

Its not just that, its that her logic makes sense. From what I understand, she wants to kill Galatea and then JUST LEAVE!!!

I mean honestly, there is a big scary AB right in front of you, and you think that you can just WALK AWAY and get help? How dumb can you be?

I hate clarice.

[MacenKrace]

Its not just that, its that her logic makes sense. From what I understand, she wants to kill Galatea and then JUST LEAVE!!!

I mean honestly, there is a big scary AB right in front of you, and you think that you can just WALK AWAY and get help? How dumb can you be?

I hate clarice.

We all hate her. She has a hole in her brain and that can't be fixed.

[Hynavian]

u guys just waste ur life chatting bull**** that doesnt mean anything in here. n i bet when ur not spending time wasting ur brain thinking about calymore, u look at other ppl around u n comment on their speach as stupid gas bagging. right?I'm checking through Blancwolf's posting history, seems like he can't post without having some sort of insult in it. I'll think about checking with the staff about it.
SB, I did that Blancwulf a favor and reported him. My recent new hobby is reporting spammers to the mods.

Its not just that, its that her logic makes sense. From what I understand, she wants to kill Galatea and then JUST LEAVE!!!

I mean honestly, there is a big scary AB right in front of you, and you think that you can just WALK AWAY and get help? How dumb can you be?

I hate clarice.
I think we might have a tie with raki and Clarice. Here's how the match will start off:
1) Staring match - where both sides stare at each other.
2) Roar match - where both sides will lose confident in oneself the longer they stare at each other.
3) Model match - where both side raise their swords and point at each other but none will make the first move.
4) Tie-breaker match - where Raki will scream and flap head on at Clarice while Clarice swings her sword and it gets stuck somewhere.
5) Weakest link match - where Raki will cry and emphasize that he's weak and incapable while Clarice will stand rooted to the spot and look weak enough so that none would bother to attach her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/b048a2d2.gif

Off-Topic: Macen, I did accept you but now it's asking for a group name. What should the group name be for Yahoo Messenger? I can't think of anything atm.
Name it 1MMCM or OM :thumbup:

[SilentBuddhist]

SB, I did that Blancwulf a favor and reported him. My recent new hobby is reporting spammers to the mods.


I think we might have a tie with raki and Clarice. Here's how the match will start off:
1) Staring match - where both sides stare at each other.
2) Roar match - where both sides will lose confident in oneself the longer they stare at each other.
3) Model match - where both side raise their swords and point at each other but none will make the first move.
4) Tie-breaker match - where Raki will scream and flap head on at Clarice while Clarice swings her sword and it gets stuck somewhere.
5) Weakest link match - where Raki will cry and emphasize that he's weak and incapable while Clarice will stand rooted to the spot and look weak enough so that none would bother to attach her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/b048a2d2.gif


Name it 1MMCM or OM :thumbup:

I called the group 1MMCM :lol:

Wait, so do we decide who would win what or...? :lol: Coz that does look like a close call.

[Hynavian]

I called the group 1MMCM :lol:

Wait, so do we decide who would win what or...? :lol: Coz that does look like a close call.

I'm installing Yahoo Messenger now.

The result is obvious, Clarice will win when Miata arrives. The kid will rip Raki apart anytime, with 1 hand,...no....with 3 fingers! You never know what kids nowadays are capable off you know SB. Kids, nowadays...:lol:

[SilentBuddhist]

I see it on there. Join the club! XD

Ah yes, kids these days :lol: *coughnoellecough*

But couldn't we also argue Pris would step in and at that moment it's an automatic win for Raki, since she could tear Clarice and Miata up as well?

[Duath]

Haha, in that case Raki wins! (Well, if hes not guts at the moment.) The likelihood is that hes dead by now, or not with Prissy anymore. Or.... *gasp* a Claymore!

But can't you chat with Yahoo people using MSN? I know I did with Macen, strange stuffs.

[SilentBuddhist]

Haha, in that case Raki wins! (Well, if hes not guts at the moment.) The likelihood is that hes dead by now, or not with Prissy anymore. Or.... *gasp* a Claymore!

But can't you chat with Yahoo people using MSN? I know I did with Macen, strange stuffs.
Ah, I chatted with Macen too, he wanted an RP idea.

Anyways, I accepted ya.

Lol, Raki growing up to become Guts made me laugh when I posted it on the last thread. But I'll bet he's been sleeping with other ladies too ;)

[Stifler]

I'm installing Yahoo Messenger now.

The result is obvious, Clarice will win when Miata arrives. The kid will rip Raki apart anytime, with 1 hand,...no....with 3 fingers! You never know what kids nowadays are capable off you know SB. Kids, nowadays...:lol:

Nah, Miata will pull a Rigardo and split Raki in half using only a finger. Heck, with an eyelash!

[EmoEmu]

Haha, in that case Raki wins! (Well, if hes not guts at the moment.) The likelihood is that hes dead by now, or not with Prissy anymore. Or.... *gasp* a Claymore!

But can't you chat with Yahoo people using MSN? I know I did with Macen, strange stuffs.

i will cry if they wasted a scene/chapter on a raki-clarice fight that ends in them both calling reinforcements. if raki doesnt beat clarice one on one he deserves to die.
in a related note, miata deserves better than clarice. mother-nun galatea is a much better choice.

sorry if i wedged myself into what seemed to be a resolved what-if situation.

[MacenKrace]

i will cry if they wasted a scene/chapter on a raki-clarice fight that ends in them both calling reinforcements. if raki doesnt beat clarice one on one he deserves to die.
in a related note, miata deserves better than clarice. mother-nun galatea is a much better choice.

sorry if i wedged myself into what seemed to be a resolved what-if situation.

Hello. *bark* Who are you?

[EmoEmu]

Hello. *bark* Who are you?

what do you mean? you know who i am.

[Hynavian]

Macen is just hoping that you'll introduce yourself in this thread since this is your first post. :p Nice to know you, welcome to the Claymore thread.

[EmoEmu]

oh hehe, and i was gonna get all defensive.
iunt have much to say bout me.
i dont watch too much anime / read manga.
i just procrastinate too much and found myself here while looking for a fix between claymore scenes.

[Noelle]

Ah yes, kids these days :lol: *coughnoellecough*
Yes? -is in the middle of testing a new whip- :devil:

Ah I see. Hello Emo... Emu! :D

in a related note, miata deserves better than clarice. mother-nun galatea is a much better choice.
:eek:... I sure can't imagine Miata doing her favourite pastime on... Galatea... she'd probably get slapped before she knows it. Well, just maybe. >.>"

[Hynavian]

oh hehe, and i was gonna get all defensive.
iunt have much to say bout me.
i dont watch too much anime / read manga.
i just procrastinate too much and found myself here while looking for a fix between claymore scenes.

Don't worry EmoEmu, the others are nice people here and are willing to discuss any claymore theories that you have. If you're troubled over Claymore questions, raise them and I can throw out the suitable members to answer them. Think Pokemon, I choose you "XXXX". Explain "Yoki Synchronization!" :lol::lol:

Macen, will be reserved for those rude spammers, of course, right gang? :eek:

Geez, what's happening to me? :eban:

[EmoEmu]

Yes? -is in the middle of testing a new whip- :devil:

Ah I see. Hello Emo... Emu! :D


:eek:... I sure can't imagine Miata doing her favourite pastime on... Galatea... she'd probably get slapped before she knows it. Well, just maybe. >.>"

well you see, in my world. galatea wouldve taught miata not to go around breastfeeding on women anymore. cause shes saintly and will be a supreme mother role. (kinda like teresa and clare i guess). not some failed claymore that pays for bodyguard protection with. services.



Don't worry EmoEmu, the others are nice people here and are willing to discuss any claymore theories that you have. If you're troubled over Claymore questions, raise them and I can throw out the suitable members to answer them. Think Pokemon, I choose you "XXXX". Explain "Yoki Synchronization!" :lol::lol:

Macen, will be reserved for those rude spammers, of course, right gang? :eek:

Geez, what's happening to me? :eban:

thanks guys, i feel so loved.
so mods are like trainers and others like pokemon?
awww does that make me some cute just-hatched pokemon? please?

[EmoEmu]

well you see, in my world. galatea wouldve taught miata not to go around ... feeding... anymore. cause shes saintly and will be a supreme mother role. (kinda like teresa and clare i guess). not some failed claymore that pays for bodyguard protection with. services.

and thanks guys
so mods are like trainers and others like pokemon?
awww does that make me some cute just-hatched pokemon? pretty please?

[Noelle]

Geez, what's happening to me? :eban:
Umm... -suddenly thinks of Hynavian's Pokemon description- Well... you watched too much Pokemon? >.>"
well you see, in my world. galatea wouldve taught miata not to go around ... feeding... anymore. cause shes saintly and will be a supreme mother role. (kinda like teresa and clare i guess).
:lol:, true. But seeing how unstable Miata is, it just might be that such 'taming' will backfire; Miata might at any time turn against Galatea, and well, a little kid with the potential to be Number One isn't exactly one to be underestimated. But oh well.
awww does that make me some cute just-hatched pokemon? pretty please?
Pikachu? :p

[MacenKrace]

well you see, in my world. galatea wouldve taught miata not to go around ... feeding... anymore. cause shes saintly and will be a supreme mother role. (kinda like teresa and clare i guess). not some failed claymore that pays for bodyguard protection with. services.

and thanks guys
so mods are like trainers and others like pokemon?
awww does that make me some cute just-hatched pokemon? pretty please?

You know I hate pokemons... So you must be a 13 year old kid.

[Hynavian]

well you see, in my world. galatea wouldve taught miata not to go around ... feeding... anymore. cause shes saintly and will be a supreme mother role. (kinda like teresa and clare i guess). not some failed claymore that pays for bodyguard protection with. services.

and thanks guys
so mods are like trainers and others like pokemon?
awww does that make me some cute just-hatched pokemon? pretty please?

Sure, you'll get a cute pokemon.

I hereby give you the title "Magikarp".

Trust me, its cute, yes its cute. Magikarp is cute. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/e40b6771.gif

You know I hate pokemons... So you must be a 13 year old kid.

Macen, you numb skull, how many times must I tell you to be nice!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

[MacenKrace]

Macen, you numb skull, how many times must I tell you to be nice!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

sorry, but I just hate pokemons. I hated pokemons last year, I hate them today and I will hate them next year.

[Scorpio-Girl]

Its not just that, its that her logic makes sense. From what I understand, she wants to kill Galatea and then JUST LEAVE!!!

I mean honestly, there is a big scary AB right in front of you, and you think that you can just WALK AWAY and get help? How dumb can you be?

I hate Clarice.
Clarice, in due time, (obviously at the time someone is near death) will question her loyalty to the organization.
She will realise that Galatea is one of the 'good guys' after all she is still trying to save the city/town even though she is being targeted by the Organisation. She'll only think like that after her precious Miata is wounded but because of Miata's potential- I doubt she will be seriously hurt.

Clarice just cares for Miata. Not that I like her stupid way of thinking leaving the AB- but she just didn't want Miata to get involved with AB and get hurt in the process. Obviously that backfired.
Oh yeah, and one of the guards should have at least slapped some sense into her.. :p

[EmoEmu]

nooo!!
i oppose to wasting time on developing clarice's character.
(even though we know its inevitable T_T)

Hynavian used Magikarp
Magikarp used splash.
*dwang dwang*
Enemy MacenKrace has fainted
Magikarp gained 10 exp.
Magikarp has leveled up.

(dont worry, the pokecentre will take care of you).

[SilentBuddhist]

Mods? The only mod around here is me >.<

Anyways, let's be nice to the newcomer. I used to watch Pokemon back when I was 6...when I was still a kid and didn't find it so repetitive like it is nowadays...

*cough*

But like Scorpio said, she's already beginning to wonder what exactly Claymores were meant for, she has the minute she met Miata. I don't expect her to become a good fighter at any time in the story, and she has about the same mental capacity as Raki, but I still expect her to realize something's up with the Org, and that Gal didn't do anything wrong. She'll get the picture at some point.

[erieozze]

god i really hope we will see raki soon after the latest arc

[wany1981]

well. From what I hear the mangaka Yagi Norihiro of claymore is a big fan of "Visual Novel". It is a type of online picture book that tells a story, It's not very common in western world but in Japan they make tones of these every year. It's sorta of like a game but all you do is click enter to go through character dialogs and flip picture pages by press enter.

Claymore is the type of managa Yagi Norihiro want to make that's like a visual novel so instead of chapter we have Scene. Visual novel always have a narrater/story teller during each part of story.

The story teller of claymore at begining is Raki at the very begining then when flashback happens it's Teresa's turn then Clare taken over after terasa's death and now after the 7 year timeskip + riful meeting it's Clarice's turn. The character Clarice will develop much further since now at the current archive she is the main character. We are start to under her, hate her or love her that's who she is and we shall see what fate!?(Yagi Norihiro) has planned for her.

[EmoEmu]

The story teller of claymore at begining is Raki at the very begining then when flashback happens it's Teresa's turn then Clare taken over after terasa's death and now after the 7 year timeskip + riful meeting it's Clarice's turn. The character Clarice will develop much further since now at the current archive she is the main character. We are start to under her, hate her or love her that's who she is and we shall see what fate!?(Yagi Norihiro) has planned for her.

lets just hope her character doesnt interfere with the story telling of other characters... i guess so far shes doing a good job at that so far besides trying to kill galatea and ignore a city under attack. i mean, it doesnt look like shes improving in sword skills and her epiphany is coming oh so slowly. and even when she does realize its kinda like great, but so what youre too weak to take anyone on.

i remember the days when i used to watch dubbed pokemon, learning the pokerap just cause i was cool. it was worth it.

[wany1981]

who knows. maybe clarice will somehow became the Endboss for claymore manga.

[Lucha]

Clare is fighting on par with Miria on Character Battle..., what's happening there?

Well, since so many new users here..., have any of you vote for either of them? (now i'm smell like politician...)


The story teller of claymore at begining is Raki at the very begining then when flashback happens it's Teresa's turn then Clare taken over after terasa's death and now after the 7 year timeskip + riful meeting it's Clarice's turn. The character Clarice will develop much further since now at the current archive she is the main character. We are start to under her, hate her or love her that's who she is and we shall see what fate!?(Yagi Norihiro) has planned for her.

I'm not quite get it..., so basically it's just the story from Clarice's point of view? Correct me if I'm wrong... or you mean like the manga too will make Clarice the main character?

Now, if Norihiro sensei just make Clarice smarter a bit..., perhaps we will start to love her... a bit...

[Scorpio-Girl]

lets just hope her character doesnt interfere with the story telling of other characters... i guess so far shes doing a good job at that so far besides trying to kill galatea and ignore a city under attack. i mean, it doesnt look like shes improving in sword skills and her epiphany is coming oh so slowly. and even when she does realize its kinda like great, but so what youre too weak to take anyone on.

i remember the days when i used to watch dubbed pokemon, learning the pokerap just cause i was cool. it was worth it.
She is weak but Miata more than makes up for her lack of strength. Clarice and Miata are a team. Miata's the power and Clarice is... well it's just Clarice I suppose. (I was gonna say the brains.. but..)

Eh, the pokerap... I guess there's a whole new level of embarrassment. :p

I'm not quite get it..., so basically it's just the story from Clarice's point of view? Correct me if I'm wrong... or you mean like the manga too will make Clarice the main character?

Now, if Norihiro sensei just make Clarice smarter a bit..., perhaps we will start to love her... a bit...
What they're trying to say is that throughout the whole series, there have been different parts in which a story is told in the eyes (point of view) of a character. It's Clarice's turn. Just like it was Raki's turn when his past was shown and Teresa's turn in the beginning etc..
All these characters add a little bit to the overall story, they're not all classed as main characters.

[Useless]

She is weak but Miata more than makes up for her lack of strength. Clarice and Miata are a team. Miata's the power and Clarice is... well it's just Clarice I suppose. (I was gonna say the brains.. but..)


Clarice is more like the stability that allows Miata to be strong.


What they're trying to say is that throughout the whole series, there have been different parts in which a story is told in the eyes (point of view) of a character. It's Clarice's turn. Just like it was Raki's turn when his past was shown and Teresa's turn in the beginning etc..
All these characters add a little bit to the overall story, they're not all classed as main characters.

I don't think this is so much Clarice's story, but the resolution of Galatea's story. She just disappeared, but she was one of the people who tried to "oppose" the organization, or at least figure out some of its secrets. Clarice is merely the medium that allows her story to make sense.

[uidso]

Ive recently just finished reading claymore up towards the latest chapter and i do find some parts disturbing.....
The part where clare and galatea encounter riful, they both fight the former no 3. During this fight we are told that galatea's yoma power multiplies her strength by a factor greater then all other claymores yet we see her getting completely owned....when clare releases her yoma power to fight him the former 3 could hardly even touch her....wtf. Its as if they portray no 47 to be stronger then no 3.

Also during the northern invasion, clare goes beserk releasing almost all of her yoma energy and is able to defeat the former no 2...easily. Why is a no 47 "almost fully awakened" far stronger then a former no 2 "Fully awakened".

Anyone able to explain these to me? im seriously confused

[Tensa Zangetsu]

That part is kind of weird and I thought about that too. That would mean clare is stronger then the old #2.....which isn't true. Theres the possibility that Teresas blood also awakens when clare awakens so she gains a trmendous power boost but only in her awakened form....but no, as a normal claymore, she isn't that strong (well before the 7 year skip that is...)

[Useless]

Miria said that Clare and the others who almost awakened were as strong as the current single digits, right? If so, then Clare isn't the equivalent of 47, but the organization didn't want her alive, so why bother upping her rank?

[MacenKrace]

Miria said that Clare and the others who almost awakened were as strong as the current single digits, right? If so, then Clare isn't the equivalent of 47, but the organization didn't want her alive, so why bother upping her rank?

Well thinking about it they just didn't want to since she was not so obedient.

[Hynavian]

Now, if Norihiro sensei just make Clarice smarter a bit..., perhaps we will start to love her... a bit...
I would like to defend Clarice as I won't want to see her status degrade to that of Raki in this forums. :lol:
Clarice is already smart in my opinion. Firstly, she figured that Galatea might be acting blind in town so as to hide her identity. This, shows her analytical skills. Furthermore, her analytical skills are shown in the Rabona battle though she's not fighting.

Clarice did analyze her options and made a choice. She has no reason, in the first place, to work with someone whom she's suppose to purge for she's not friends (literal sense) with Galatea for she'll never know what Galatea might do to her. Secondly, it's easier to eliminate Galatea than Agasa with pawn Miata. Her plan might work if Agasa sits back and relax and let Miata do the purging. She's right as she could have run off with Miata after eliminating Galatea, just like how Miria and gang ran away from Riful instead of fighting her.

Also, do take note that she has to take Miata's "live" into consideration. She's in charge of not only herself, but of a kid too. Kid Miata not only trusts Clarice totally but treats her like her "mother" and I'm sure that Clarice also cares for Miata. Clarice, hence, has to act and execute the most plausible plan, the one that would have ensured their highest chance of survivor at that point. Assuming she works with Galatea, they fight Agasa and all get beaten up so badly (inside-out and outside-in) and they eliminate Agasa. *Hurray* However, there's still round 2 of the match. Boss: Galatea. Beating Galatea and running away would have been easier in my opinion.

By working with Galatea and not purging her, Clarice and Miata could be deemed as disobeying the organization. Instead of purging, they're working with the purged. Now what's this? If they do eliminate Galatea at the end, it'll be good but what if they can't and Galatea runs away? Not only Clarice will be in deep trouble, Miata will be in deep trouble too. In my opinion, Clarice biggest mistake is to under-estimate Agasa. Agasa plays a major role in determining the % of success in her plans and she totally left her out. This is miscalculations on her part.

Just something to share, I find Clarice likable due to her character and the way she speaks. She's not like some stuck up figures who have attitude problems and she tries to get along with others. Speech wise, she's a polite character judging from the way she speaks and acts. Read the raws if you can and you'll notice that she acknowledges others from the way she addresses them. The other characters curse and speak impolitely, like nobody's business, BUT because they're translated into English, they don't sound that bad. Somehow, the characters' true intentions are lost. Try speaking the way those characters do to any Japanese and you might get a middle finger in return. This is just a side note though, kids, please don't learn their way of speaking. :lol:

She is weak but Miata more than makes up for her lack of strength. Clarice and Miata are a team. Miata's the power and Clarice is... well it's just Clarice I suppose. (I was gonna say the brains.. but..)

Eh, the pokerap... I guess there's a whole new level of embarrassment. :p

What they're trying to say is that throughout the whole series, there have been different parts in which a story is told in the eyes (point of view) of a character. It's Clarice's turn. Just like it was Raki's turn when his past was shown and Teresa's turn in the beginning etc..
All these characters add a little bit to the overall story, they're not all classed as main characters.

My 8th sense tells me that Miata will be next. We'll get to know what's happening from her POV and get a close up on Clarice body! :eek: (By the way, I'm just kidding here.)

Ive recently just finished reading claymore up towards the latest chapter and i do find some parts disturbing.....
The part where clare and galatea encounter riful, they both fight the former no 3. During this fight we are told that galatea's yoma power multiplies her strength by a factor greater then all other claymores yet we see her getting completely owned....when clare releases her yoma power to fight him the former 3 could hardly even touch her....wtf. Its as if they portray no 47 to be stronger then no 3.

Also during the northern invasion, clare goes beserk releasing almost all of her yoma energy and is able to defeat the former no 2...easily. Why is a no 47 "almost fully awakened" far stronger then a former no 2 "Fully awakened".

Anyone able to explain these to me? im seriously confused

TZ raised a good point with regards to the blood of Teresa that's in Clare, hence, giving her the power boast. Useless and Macen also stated the unreliability of the ranking system.

Another reason, would have been partly due to Irene's right arm and her skill, Quick Sword. The skill of an ex number 2 should not be taken lightly as Irene beat Ophelia (#4) hands down. Clare's weaker version of Irene's quick sword actually beat Flora's Wind Cutter in terms of speed! With a skill that is of single-digit material, I don't think that you should treat her as a regular #47 anymore.

We also have to look into the situation then. Clare was battling Dulf with the help of Galatea and Jeane (having contributed the most). We can't for sure say that Clare would have won Dulf if they're to 1 vs 1 as Jeane was the only one who has the skill to drill through Dulf's hide. Furthermore, the instructions to Dulf was clear. Defeat and awaken them. His mission was not to kill them or Riful would have broken up with him. Hence, Dulf also held back a lot as he merely stood around and received their attacks, giving Clare and gang the opportunities to defeat him.

As for the match against Rigardo. I still find it amazing that she beat him just by semi-awakening (or 3/4 awakening?). Here, I feel that it's most probably due to Teresa's blood that's in her that allowed her to have an edge over the lion guy.

What do you all think?

PS: I haven't been contributing much and hence, I'm doing so! :eban:

[MacenKrace]

As for the match against Rigardo. I still find it amazing that she beat him just by semi-awakening (or 3/4 awakening?). Here, I feel that it's most probably due to Teresa's blood that's in her that allowed her to have an edge over the lion guy.

What do you all think?

PS: I haven't been contributing much and hence, I'm doing so! :eban:

Teressa's blood and Irene's arm did most of the work.

[Dantrag]

You also need to remember that Teresa herself seemed to have more than a little top-notch yoma in her. Yes, she didn't excel in swordsmanship and other abilities exept for reading the flow of Yoki but by only releasing 10% of her own yoki she was able to bring her physical abilities to match those of Priscilla who was operating at around 80-90% of her own yoki (Priscilla at that point would pretty much slaughter almost all normal claymore-opponents). So that's a pretty high release factor in itself.

Even though Clare has less yoma in her than most, her yoma is high quality which alone might explain why she is so powerfull. Large release factor and an unrivalled ability to read the flow of yoki is a dangerous combo. + Clare's awakening seemed to be based on physical speed much like Rigaldo.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

What they're trying to say is that throughout the whole series, there have been different parts in which a story is told in the eyes (point of view) of a character. It's Clarice's turn. Just like it was Raki's turn when his past was shown and Teresa's turn in the beginning etc..
All these characters add a little bit to the overall story, they're not all classed as main characters.If that is true then this will be the first "arc" in Claymore without Clare in it.:p

Seriously, most of the arcs so far have been pretty long, like several volumes long; so if that's the case then we probably won't be seeing Clare & gang for some time.

Ive recently just finished reading claymore up towards the latest chapter and i do find some parts disturbing.....
The part where clare and galatea encounter riful, they both fight the former no 3. During this fight we are told that galatea's yoma power multiplies her strength by a factor greater then all other claymores yet we see her getting completely owned....when clare releases her yoma power to fight him the former 3 could hardly even touch her....wtf. Its as if they portray no 47 to be stronger then no 3.Might've had something to do with the fact that the weakness in Galatea's technique was exposed.

Miria said that Clare and the others who almost awakened were as strong as the current single digits, right? If so, then Clare isn't the equivalent of 47, but the organization didn't want her alive, so why bother upping her rank?If I recall, she also said that they were still no match for the top 5 in that generation.

Just something to share, I find Clarice likable due to her character and the way she speaks. She's not like some stuck up figures who have attitude problems and she tries to get along with others. Speech wise, she's a polite character judging from the way she speaks and acts. Read the raws if you can and you'll notice that she acknowledges others from the way she addresses them. The other characters curse and speak impolitely, like nobody's business, BUT because they're translated into English, they don't sound that bad. Somehow, the characters' true intentions are lost. Try speaking the way those characters do to any Japanese and you might get a middle finger in return. This is just a side note though, kids, please don't learn their way of speaking. :lol:Lol, my Japanese probably isn't good enough to translate anything. But yeah, their impoliteness isn't so clearly shown through the translated version of their speech in the manga, but I sort of got that impression watching the anime... And here I was thinking that anime/manga helps increase my JP vocab, but now I know to avoid Claymore.:p

My 8th sense tells me that Miata will be next. We'll get to know what's happening from her POV and get a close up on Clarice body! :eek: (By the way, I'm just kidding here.)Argh, no more Miata! For some reason I can't stand her character... blindly following orders with no idea how to think for herself.:mad:

Another reason, would have been partly due to Irene's right arm and her skill, Quick Sword. The skill of an ex number 2 should not be taken lightly as Irene beat Ophelia (#4) hands down. Clare's weaker version of Irene's quick sword actually beat Flora's Wind Cutter in terms of speed! With a skill that is of single-digit material, I don't think that you should treat her as a regular #47 anymore.They should probably just promote Irene's arm to #2 and leave the rest of her at #47.


BTW, no one's answered my question yet. :/ about the manga -> anime differences pre-Teresa arc.

[Lucha]

If I recall, she also said that they were still no match for the top 5 in that generation.


True, the fact that Clare can't win over Ophelia before she receive Irene's 'gift' was the prove. But, after she got Irene's hand, it's more like

Clare = Teresa^2 (Half awakened Teresa) + Fully Awakened Irene's Hand (quicksword)

And after encounter with Rigaldo it's like

Clare = (Teresa^2 (Half awakened Teresa) + Fully Awakened Irene's Hand (quicksword))^2

Basically it's Teresa's #1 potential and Irene's #2 potential is inside her..., it's not surprising if she eventually surpass the former #2 Rigaldo...

And I totally agree with Hynavian about Clarice... She's not that bad after all... just a little... special...

[MacenKrace]

True, the fact that Clare can't win over Ophelia before she receive Irene's 'gift' was the prove. But, after she got Irene's hand, it's more like

Clare = Teresa^2 (Half awakened Teresa) + Fully Awakened Irene's Hand (quicksword)

And after encounter with Rigaldo it's like

Clare = (Teresa^2 (Half awakened Teresa) + Fully Awakened Irene's Hand (quicksword))^2

Basically it's Teresa's #1 potential and Irene's #2 potential is inside her..., it's not surprising if she eventually surpass the former #2 Rigaldo...

And I totally agree with Hynavian about Clarice... She's not that bad after all... just a little... special...

Actually Clarice is just a failure, not special.

[zeneva]

lol they jus had to name her "Clarice" of all names...

[ssjboy89]

i think Raki will answer your questions in the manga since i believe he'll become a powerful human warrior.. Isley is training him after all.. Let's hope we'll see raki soon..

[VelvetRose]

just because raki is being trained by isley doesnt mean that he'll become more powerful or even join clare again. after all its been seven years since they last saw each other and isley has a way of persuading people to his side.

[MacenKrace]

just because raki is being trained by isley doesnt mean that he'll become more powerful or even join clare again. after all its been seven years since they last saw each other and isley has a way of persuading people to his side.

Actually Raki is just stupid and will believe anything you tell him.

[pigpie]

I hihly doubt Raki will become strong,not weak probably,but not strong.Guess went he comes back he will still be the annoying Raki we know and hate.

Raki is not stupid............he is retarded,nah,he is just a coward.
But Raki might not join Clare because the time he has spent with Prissy and Isley is most probably longer than the time he spent with Clare.

I am watching the anime now and I found out that everyone can do quicksword...WTH?...and Helenin ep 23 did a move like Ophelia,well cutting the arms into pieces part.LAZY.......The people doing the nime I mean,make everyone do quicksword.

[EmoEmu]

I would like to defend Clarice as I won't want to see her status degrade to that of Raki in this forums. :lol:
Clarice is already smart in my opinion. Firstly, she figured that Galatea might be acting blind in town so as to hide her identity. This, shows her analytical skills. Furthermore, her analytical skills are shown in the Rabona battle though she's not fighting.

Clarice did analyze her options and made a choice. She has no reason, in the first place, to work with someone whom she's suppose to purge for she's not friends (literal sense) with Galatea for she'll never know what Galatea might do to her. Secondly, it's easier to eliminate Galatea than Agasa with pawn Miata. Her plan might work if Agasa sits back and relax and let Miata do the purging. She's right as she could have run off with Miata after eliminating Galatea, just like how Miria and gang ran away from Riful instead of fighting her.

Also, do take note that she has to take Miata's "live" into consideration. She's in charge of not only herself, but of a kid too. Kid Miata not only trusts Clarice totally but treats her like her "mother" and I'm sure that Clarice also cares for Miata. Clarice, hence, has to act and execute the most plausible plan, the one that would have ensured their highest chance of survivor at that point. Assuming she works with Galatea, they fight Agasa and all get beaten up so badly (inside-out and outside-in) and they eliminate Agasa. *Hurray* However, there's still round 2 of the match. Boss: Galatea. Beating Galatea and running away would have been easier in my opinion.

By working with Galatea and not purging her, Clarice and Miata could be deemed as disobeying the organization. Instead of purging, they're working with the purged. Now what's this? If they do eliminate Galatea at the end, it'll be good but what if they can't and Galatea runs away? Not only Clarice will be in deep trouble, Miata will be in deep trouble too. In my opinion, Clarice biggest mistake is to under-estimate Agasa. Agasa plays a major role in determining the % of success in her plans and she totally left her out. This is miscalculations on her part.

Just something to share, I find Clarice likable due to her character and the way she speaks. She's not like some stuck up figures who have attitude problems and she tries to get along with others. Speech wise, she's a polite character judging from the way she speaks and acts. Read the raws if you can and you'll notice that she acknowledges others from the way she addresses them. The other characters curse and speak impolitely, like nobody's business, BUT because they're translated into English, they don't sound that bad. Somehow, the characters' true intentions are lost. Try speaking the way those characters do to any Japanese and you might get a middle finger in return. This is just a side note though, kids, please don't learn their way of speaking. :lol:



i just thought a character like clarice would put more priority to the dying army men in front of her.

anyhoo, if that was true and clarice is here to stay, i dont see her doing any good in combat in her current state.
she'll could pull a clare and steal some limbs... like a dying galatea or raphaella to up her yoki management (cause she needs it).
but that would be recycling the story and i dont know if thats likely...

[wany1981]

Some of your guys don't get it.. for a ancient awkened no.2 Rigardo is still stronger then clare at the end even when she is awakened all the arms and legs.

Here is the big math equation

Clare with 1/4 Teresa blood + Irene Right arm + Enrage (seeing 4 captain die) + Awakened legs to gain berserk speed and gain control quickly + awakened right arm to fight Rigardo right arm on par = a one armed Rigardo

She had to awaken last of her arms to torn Rigardo apart because Rigardo is missing his arm on one side and couldn't defend himself. That's why Rigardo said: She realize only chance of defeating me is awakening all 4 of her Limbs. Superb.

While Rigardo is probably the stronger no.2 awaken being out there because of he is the only no.2 with the most combat experience and live with Easly.

Most people still think the 7 who lived through winter war is enough to take on a no.2 with help of others is wrong. Even with the new skill they gained they have a mere 30% of chance of beating a 4 armed Rigardo right now if they get to kill him again. This is also one of the reason galatea and Claire's plan is losing badly against Agasa. Since Galatea's strongest enemy is no.3 Ruff and got her *** kicked she can only estimate a no.2 awaken being's power from the tip of the iceberg of Rifu's power but have some idea of agasa yet still underestimated her greatly(Agasa's tiny hair attack did grave damage to miata without her noticeing).

This claymore serie is very long we are not even half way through. By chance and luck a few mid boss has been defeated even 1 killed (poor lion) doesn't mean a level 50 character group can suddenly solo a level 85 midboss. We will get to see more of awaken no.3 and above, Ancient original Yoma, organization's secret and much more.


While we talking about awaken being, recently i read through the whole serie. I got this idea of all claymore have this Yoma bar and humanity bar let's call it.
Like this
Clare No.47 at start of story
yoma bar 25 point
Humanity bar 75 point

Normal claymore 20ish
Yoma bar 50 point
Humanity bar 50 point

As a claymore fight through yoma and release their power they will slowly increase their Yoma bar and start to lose their humanity bar. When a claymore faught enough fights they will eventully eventully put the 2 into disbalance and awakenen.

Normal claymore 1 natural awakening no.17
yoma bar 80 point (frequtly need to use yoma point to kill yoma)
Humanity bar 20 point
end result Awaken being no.17
Awakening bar 80 point + yoma blood 80 point = total awaken power 160 point

Normal claymore 2 limit break awakening no.17
Yoma bar 60 point ( all used up since claymore released 80% power) + 20 humanity point
Humanity bar 40 point - 20 humanity power through power realse
Awakening bar 80 point + yoma blood 60 point = total awaken power 140 point

The less of humanity bar(depend each indiviual's idea and transforming proess) during the awakening the stronger the awaken being will be. For example the forthed awakening of Jean's party yield very weak awaken being since most of their humanity bar is still intact during awakening.

For a awakened being pon awakening the humanity bar disapears and Yoma bar because the awaken being bar ( they are a new speice's after all). For a half awaken being is when a claymore awaken a error apears (mental stress, outside infulunce or otherwise). Instead of fully awaken and lose the humanity bar, a third awakening bar apear outside the first 2 bar became like this

Clare no.47 overuse yoma power Cathedual awakening
Yoma bar = 30 point + 50 point humanity thorugh over use of power
humanity bar = 70 point - 50 point humanity through over use of power + 50 point speical raki love humanity bonus(temporary)
she regained her humanity balance into
yoma bar = 30 point
humanity bar = 70 point
Awakening bar = 30 point
total power = yomabar + awakening bar = 60 point.. twice as strong as before
and since she now have over 100 point like a awaken being 80 point will no longer be awakening for her and it will really be use ove 100-110 point before she used up to much point from humanity bar to truely awaken.

Clare no.47 pieta awakening
Yoma bar = 30 point + 60 point humanity point through overuse of power
humanity bar = 70 point - 60 point humanity point through overuse of power + 100 point Jean self sacrifice yoki allianment pull (temparay)
Awakening bar = 30 point + 50 point through awakening on purpose
her total power would be = 90 point yoma bar + 80 point awakening bar + 100% enrage bonus
that gave her a wooping power of over 340 without other bonus to deafeat Rigardo with only 1 arm

End result with jean's 100 point temporary humanity bonus she regained her balance.
Clare end result no.47
Yoma bar = 30
humanity bar =70
awakening bar = 80 point
she further strengthen into a total of 110 point without tap into her humanity bar and next time will need to use up at least 160 point before she pass the point to fully awaken

This is the basic fomular i came up with to measue claymore and awaken being's power
there are other modifier such as

Ranking bonus the current ranking of each warrior total bonus up to 47*2=94 point
so rank 1 gets 94 points bonus rank 2 get 92 point rank 10 get 74 points etc
Speical technice bonus each speical skill claymore gets such as mirage gets a speical bonus of points onto of combat power

Enrage combat power +100% for 1 battle only

Teresa blood give clare speical bonus since clare get none of the 94 point ranking bonus she get 1/2 of 94 point from teresa's ranking, and that's now where near the potenial teresa's blood have it's a big treasure cove for clare to dip in.

Combat experience is also special point awaded to claymore and awaken being that gained through level up. every 1 year of life gets 1 point and every 1 awaken being killed gets 1 point


So what your guys think of these fomular?

Prisila awakening no.X
before
yoma point = 50 + 30 point overuse of power + 100 point reliquish humanity to sucker kill teresa
humanity point = 50 - 30 point over use of power -100 point reliquish humanity to sucker kill teresa
+100% enrage bonus to kill teresa

end
yoma point = 50 point
awakening point = 150 point + 600 point monster potenial released

end power = 800 point + ranking bonus 92 point + flying and other special technique
= over 1000 point
that's probably greater then any other awaken being even abyssal ones even with the age of years that they lived.

Clare still have a longgg way to go to beat her since even with teresa blood's 48 point and irene's arm's let's say 40 point and all the new techinque bonus she is close to 400 something point.

trash/filler less then 150 point claymore no.30-47, regular yoma
foot soilder 150-200 point claymore ranking 30-15
elite soilder 200-250 point claymore ranking 15-11, below average awaken being
single digit 250-300 point claymore ranking 10-6, awaken being rank 11 and below
Top 5 monster 300-500 point claymore 5,4,3,2,1 and awaken being rank 10-6
True monster 500-600 point rafaela, alicia, beth and ranking 5 4 3 awaken being
Sub abysall 600-700 point , rosemary, agasa, Rigaldo (midboss),
Abysall ones 700-800 point Awakened alicia < Lucila < Easly < Riful
Demi gods 800-1000 point none so far
Sub Gods 1000-2000 point Teresa, Prisila
True gods 2000+ unknown

I gave Teresa over 1000 point consider she is a speical case (a Yoma mutant) who can beat a sub abysall with only 10% release... repell near over limite(around 600 point) Prisila with ease. Organize's databook is way under estimating her.
Prisila's 600 point potienial release bonus is base on the fact that teresa said prisila will one day supass her. 600 is not the full amount of potenial since prisila will need at least 800 point to supass teresa so there is still room for Prisila to impove like in anime the fully awakening.
Any power point of 250 point result's instant kill.
like Rigado's 600+ vs flora's near 300
and 450+- awaken being vs 250+- helen and deneve near instant kill

Current group of 7 have 2 claymore 400+ (miria and clare), 2 claymore 300+(helen deneve) , 2 elite soilder (tabathia, cynathia) and 1 trash (yuma)

Cureent battle in Labona, galatea 400+ vs Miata 400+ and Claire less then 50 point vs agasa 600+ point who is toying with them.

[MacenKrace]

Some of your guys don't get it.. for a ancient awkened no.2 Rigardo is still stronger then clare at the end even when she is awakened all the arms and legs.

Here is the big math equation

Clare with 1/4 Teresa blood + Irene Right arm + Enrage (seeing 4 captain die) + Awakened legs to gain berserk speed and gain control quickly + awakened right arm to fight Rigardo right arm on par = a one armed Rigardo

She had to awaken last of her arms to torn Rigardo apart because Rigardo is missing his arm on one side and couldn't defend himself. That's why Rigardo said: She realize only chance of defeating me is awakening all 4 of her Limbs. Superb.

While Rigardo is probably the stronger no.2 awaken being out there because of he is the only no.2 with the most combat experience and live with Easly.

Most people still think the 7 who lived through winter war is enough to take on a no.2 with help of others is wrong. Even with the new skill they gained they have a mere 30% of chance of beating a 4 armed Rigardo right now if they get to kill him again. This is also one of the reason galatea and Claire's plan is losing badly against Agasa. Since Galatea's strongest enemy is no.3 Ruff and got her *** kicked she can only estimate a no.2 awaken being's power from the tip of the iceberg of Rifu's power but have some idea of agasa yet still underestimated her greatly(Agasa's tiny hair attack did grave damage to miata without her noticeing).

This claymore serie is very long we are not even half way through. By chance and luck a few mid boss has been defeated even 1 killed (poor lion) doesn't mean a level 50 character group can suddenly solo a level 85 midboss. We will get to see more of awaken no.3 and above, Ancient original Yoma, organization's secret and much more.


While we talking about awaken being, recently i read through the whole serie. I got this idea of all claymore have this Yoma bar and humanity bar let's call it.
Like this
Clare No.47 at start of story
yoma bar 25 point
Humanity bar 75 point

Normal claymore 20ish
Yoma bar 50 point
Humanity bar 50 point

As a claymore fight through yoma and release their power they will slowly increase their Yoma bar and start to lose their humanity bar. When a claymore faught enough fights they will eventully eventully put the 2 into disbalance and awakenen.

Normal claymore 1 natural awakening no.17
yoma bar 80 point (frequtly need to use yoma point to kill yoma)
Humanity bar 20 point
end result Awaken being no.17
Awakening bar 80 point + yoma blood 80 point = total awaken power 160 point

Normal claymore 2 limit break awakening no.17
Yoma bar 60 point ( all used up since claymore released 80% power) + 20 humanity point
Humanity bar 40 point - 20 humanity power through power realse
Awakening bar 80 point + yoma blood 60 point = total awaken power 140 point

The less of humanity bar(depend each indiviual's idea and transforming proess) during the awakening the stronger the awaken being will be. For example the forthed awakening of Jean's party yield very weak awaken being since most of their humanity bar is still intact during awakening.

For a awakened being pon awakening the humanity bar disapears and Yoma bar because the awaken being bar ( they are a new speice's after all). For a half awaken being is when a claymore awaken a error apears (mental stress, outside infulunce or otherwise). Instead of fully awaken and lose the humanity bar, a third awakening bar apear outside the first 2 bar became like this

Clare no.47 overuse yoma power Cathedual awakening
Yoma bar = 30 point + 50 point humanity thorugh over use of power
humanity bar = 70 point - 50 point humanity through over use of power + 50 point speical raki love humanity bonus(temporary)
she regained her humanity balance into
yoma bar = 30 point
humanity bar = 70 point
Awakening bar = 30 point
total power = yomabar + awakening bar = 60 point.. twice as strong as before
and since she now have over 100 point like a awaken being 80 point will no longer be awakening for her and it will really be use ove 100-110 point before she used up to much point from humanity bar to truely awaken.

Clare no.47 pieta awakening
Yoma bar = 30 point + 60 point humanity point through overuse of power
humanity bar = 70 point - 60 point humanity point through overuse of power + 100 point Jean self sacrifice yoki allianment pull (temparay)
Awakening bar = 30 point + 50 point through awakening on purpose
her total power would be = 90 point yoma bar + 80 point awakening bar + 100% enrage bonus
that gave her a wooping power of over 340 without other bonus to deafeat Rigardo with only 1 arm

End result with jean's 100 point temporary humanity bonus she regained her balance.
Clare end result no.47
Yoma bar = 30
humanity bar =70
awakening bar = 80 point
she further strengthen into a total of 110 point without tap into her humanity bar and next time will need to use up at least 160 point before she pass the point to fully awaken

This is the basic fomular i came up with to measue claymore and awaken being's power
there are other modifier such as

Ranking bonus the current ranking of each warrior total bonus up to 47*2=94 point
so rank 1 gets 94 points bonus rank 2 get 92 point rank 10 get 74 points etc
Speical technice bonus each speical skill claymore gets such as mirage gets a speical bonus of points onto of combat power

Enrage combat power +100% for 1 battle only

Teresa blood give clare speical bonus since clare get none of the 94 point ranking bonus she get 1/2 of 94 point from teresa's ranking, and that's now where near the potenial teresa's blood have it's a big treasure cove for clare to dip in.

Combat experience is also special point awaded to claymore and awaken being that gained through level up. every 1 year of life gets 1 point and every 1 awaken being killed gets 1 point


So what your guys think of these fomular?

Prisila awakening no.X
before
yoma point = 50 + 30 point overuse of power + 100 point reliquish humanity to sucker kill teresa
humanity point = 50 - 30 point over use of power -100 point reliquish humanity to sucker kill teresa
+100% enrage bonus to kill teresa

end
yoma point = 50 point
awakening point = 150 point + 600 point monster potenial released

end power = 800 point + ranking bonus 92 point + flying and other special technique
= over 1000 point
that's probably greater then any other awaken being even abyssal ones even with the age of years that they lived.

Clare still have a longgg way to go to beat her since even with teresa blood's 48 point and irene's arm's let's say 40 point and all the new techinque bonus she is close to 400 something point.

trash/filler less then 150 point claymore no.30-47, regular yoma
foot soilder 150-200 point claymore ranking 30-15
elite soilder 200-250 point claymore ranking 15-11, below average awaken being
single digit 250-300 point claymore ranking 10-6, awaken being rank 11 and below
Top 5 monster 300-500 point claymore 5,4,3,2,1 and awaken being rank 10-6
True monster 500-600 point rafaela, alicia, beth and ranking 5 4 3 awaken being
Sub abysall 600-700 point , rosemary, agasa, Rigaldo (midboss),
Abysall ones 700-800 point Awakened alicia < Lucila < Easly < Riful
Demi gods 800-1000 point none so far
Sub Gods 1000-2000 point Teresa, Prisila
True gods 2000+ unknown

I gave Teresa over 1000 point consider she is a speical case (a Yoma mutant) who can beat a sub abysall with only 10% release... repell near over limite(around 600 point) Prisila with ease. Organize's databook is way under estimating her.
Prisila's 600 point potienial release bonus is base on the fact that teresa said prisila will one day supass her. 600 is not the full amount of potenial since prisila will need at least 800 point to supass teresa so there is still room for Prisila to impove like in anime the fully awakening.
Any power point of 250 point result's instant kill.
like Rigado's 600+ vs flora's near 300
and 450+- awaken being vs 250+- helen and deneve near instant kill

Current group of 7 have 2 claymore 400+ (miria and clare), 2 claymore 300+(helen deneve) , 2 elite soilder (tabathia, cynathia) and 1 trash (yuma)

Cureent battle in Labona, galatea 400+ vs Miata 400+ and Claire less then 50 point vs agasa 600+ point who is toying with them.

HELLO but ARE YOU THINKING NORMALLY?..... Sorry about this but.... too much math... I hate straining myself to this thing.

Yes experience is important but self control is even better, also try not to calculate everything since you are missing an important factor which cannot be calculated: "Luck". You may never know when it strikes.

[wany1981]

i did.. luck is a big facter .. and a lot of things cannot be calculated.. like
how a 600 point nearly awaken Prisila chop off the head of a over 1000 point Teresa.
The only chance of Agasa dying in the current situation is the group of 7 launch a suprise attack and does significant damage to her because at the moment she is way stronger.

And clare beat the overwhelming Rigaldo is through luck too. Since she suprised him by take a arm earlly

[EmoEmu]

While we talking about awaken being, recently i read through the whole serie. I got this idea of all claymore have this Yoma bar and humanity bar let's call it.
Like this
Clare No.47 at start of story
yoma bar 25 point
Humanity bar 75 point

Normal claymore 20ish
Yoma bar 50 point
Humanity bar 50 point

As a claymore fight through yoma and release their power they will slowly increase their Yoma bar and start to lose their humanity bar. When a claymore faught enough fights they will eventully eventully put the 2 into disbalance and awakenen.



are the yoma and human points equal? and they must add up to a sum of 100?
wouldnt raki having 100 human points be equal to a claymore with 50 of each? but the yoma points kill yoma so the points are different?

it is hard to arbitrarily calculate their potentials and strengths and whatnot and assign values to things like that, but despite that, the fact that you did all that really is rather impressive.

[wany1981]

a regular yoma = 100% yoma 0% human
a regular raki = 0% yoma 100% human.. correct me if i am wrong....

[EmoEmu]

a regular yoma = 100% yoma 0% human
a regular raki = 0% yoma 100% human.. correct me if i am wrong....

lol, those were percentages?
haha, i thought they were points, like hit points.

[wany1981]

think it like this <-----YomaBar----|----Humanity bar----|-----Awakening Bar---->
<--- 100% Yoma ---> Yoma
<--- 100%human ---> Human
<----Yoma ---------------|--human-------> Regular claymore
They can realse their yoma power with ease but every time it's used yoma increase human decrease, they can take beyond just yoma power and into sacrifise humanity but once she sac over 80 she can no longer turn yoma power back into humanity.
<-----yoma----|--- human --- | --- awaken power > Clare over 100%
<---- Yoma ---- | Awaken power > reuglar awaken ones
Claymore is stronger then yoma you can think it's like a chemical reaction. The total % is same but the quality and Quantiy increase heanth the Ranking Bonus and skill bonus, Awaken power is consider a even greater Quality and Quantity of bonus then the other 2 type of points, and go beyond a being of just human or Yoma.

[MacenKrace]

a regular yoma = 100% yoma 0% human
a regular raki = 0% yoma 100% human.. correct me if i am wrong....

wrong. 1 regular youma is unknown if he really is 100% youma. They may be failed experiments.

[Stifler]

Man, this thread grows way too fast. I don't even know where I left it and now it had grown to this size...

[Duath]

Some of your guys don't get it.. for a ancient awkened no.2 Rigardo is still stronger then clare at the end even when she is awakened all the arms and legs.

Here is the big math equation

Clare with 1/4 Teresa blood + Irene Right arm + Enrage (seeing 4 captain die) + Awakened legs to gain berserk speed and gain control quickly + awakened right arm to fight Rigardo right arm on par = a one armed Rigardo
.

I brought up something like this earlier, and I think it leads to an interesting side-discussion. It seems unlikely that an awakened 47 could be on par with an awakened number 2. As we have seen with Riful and that one mid-thirties or twenties claymore, weaker claymores create weaker awakened beings. So the answer to Clare defeating Rigardo is one of two possibilities.

First, Clare, at that moment, was equal to a number 2 claymore, maybe a bit weaker. This is unlikely, well because we saw the power gap between her and Galatea, and there must be a similar one between Galatea and Beth (not counting Alicia)

Second, and more likely, by awakening, Clare is able to access Teresa's unfathomable power. If this is the case then we may see a situation in which Raki, or someone else acts as an anchor for Clare, allowing her to awaken and fight. Or, perhaps using Teresa's power along with her own, she will suppress the Yoma urges, but still be able to maintain the advantages of awakening.

[chaosfactor88]

Sorry to change the subject, but i just got into claymore and have already read all the manga i can find. I am mainly trying to find out when i will be able to read some new stuff, lol! i would appreciate any guesses or knowledgeable answer. thanx.

[Useless]

Second, and more likely, by awakening, Clare is able to access Teresa's unfathomable power. If this is the case then we may see a situation in which Raki, or someone else acts as an anchor for Clare, allowing her to awaken and fight. Or, perhaps using Teresa's power along with her own, she will suppress the Yoma urges, but still be able to maintain the advantages of awakening.

So, in a sense, it isn't Clare who is awakening, but Teresa?
Awakening is tapping into the power of the Yoma inside of you, so it would make sense that Clare awakening would be a powered up version of Teresa, rather than powered up version of the yoma the Claymore was infused with/the Claymore that awakened.

Claymore comes out on the first week of each month.

[wany1981]

meh, i was told the new claymore scene has already been leaked up but i can't find the raw anywhere

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Yeah, chapters tend to come out a bit earlier than the date specified.

And wow, the series must be gaining popularity to have "leaked" RAWs around. :thumbup:

[pigpie]

Wow,so many math,I read half way I got lost,but I guess the question is is Clare stronger than Rigaldo.I would say that Clare is,because the in the end,Clare defeated Rigaldo,I mean even though Rigaldo lose one arm,his main factor is speed and Clare was able to catch up with him,PLUS,Clare was half awakened,not fully awakened,so in a way Clare is stronger than Rigaldo.

I guess Agasa will be handled by Galatea personally because Clarice might wise up and ask Miata to fight with Galatea,Miata listens to everything Clarice says,or Miata might stop fighting .

In my opinion,I think Galatea is the true No.1 in her era,mainly because the twins are a whole different case because they don't do what normal Claymores do.Agasa should be kind simple?I mean normal humans were able to get close enough to her to cut her head off,Galatea surely will be able to as well,she cannot because everytime she tries to go near Agasa,Miata just pops in to "protect" her artist.

[Useless]

Wow,so many math,I read half way I got lost,but I guess the question is is Clare stronger than Rigaldo.I would say that Clare is,because the in the end,Clare defeated Rigaldo,I mean even though Rigaldo lose one arm,his main factor is speed and Clare was able to catch up with him,PLUS,Clare was half awakened,not fully awakened,so in a way Clare is stronger than Rigaldo.
Clare didn't only half awaken. Her half awakening was in Rabona, where her body didn't even change. In her fight with Rigaldo, she got the jump on him with her sudden burst in speed. He lost his arm, and that made him considerably weaker. He was unable to do things, like block, which was why he died..unless I'm mixing things up with something else. In the end, Clare was either lucky, or saved by Teresa's power.
I guess Agasa will be handled by Galatea personally because Clarice might wise up and ask Miata to fight with Galatea,Miata listens to everything Clarice says,or Miata might stop fighting .
Galatea beating an awakened number 2 by herself?
I doubt it. She isn't that good. Though she is a blind nun..>.>"
Jesus won't be saving her in the fight, so she'll need help to fight Agasa.
In my opinion,I think Galatea is the true No.1 in her era,mainly because the twins are a whole different case because they don't do what normal Claymores do.Agasa should be kind simple?I mean normal humans were able to get close enough to her to cut her head off,Galatea surely will be able to as well,she cannot because everytime she tries to go near Agasa,Miata just pops in to "protect" her artist.

Galatea was number 3. Not 1. Meaning, she wasn't the true number 1. She was the true number 3.
Plenty of Claymore's are different. Thats why the manga has characters, as in Claymore's who are different from each other.
Alicia/Beth both have the power to back up their positions, even without having Alicia awaken.
Also, Agasa let them get close. Riful let those 2 Claymore, the current 3 and 5, get close, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't be able to decimate them in a second. Just like Riful wanted comrades, Agasa wanted food/entertainment, so she allowed them to get close.

[EmoEmu]

i know clare awakened and all, but that form looked too human. all the other awakenings turned the claymore into these really awesome new woman/monster forms with human faces. when clare did it she looked like a claymore still, with really tricked out limbs and a distorted yoma face and fangs. was that the full awakening?

[Useless]

Nope.
She awakened her limbs to beat Rigaldo.
No matter what, if you do a full awakening, your not coming back.
Unless...unless you have someone with super Youki control that can lower it...like that AB in the battle in the North. I forgot the towns name.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Pieta? maybe thats another town....
anyways other then Alicia, no claymore can come back from a full awakening....not even someone with 'uber' yoki control can bring em back

[Useless]

I was thinking that if you could forcefully awaken a Claymore, you'd be able to do the opposite.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Well when you force a claymore to awaken you are making her release a lot of yoki...but to change them back, they have to supress the yoki back into the claymore's body which just sounds like it would be much harder to do.....think of it like releasing a butterfly out of a container into the wild.....easy right? Getting back is much harder......its a crappy analogy but its the first thing I thought of.

[Useless]

Energy and a caged butterfly?
Meh...
Thats why I said something about superb youki control. Its obvious that it would be difficult, but if your a Claymore, then you've already suppressed your youki into your body before.
Difficult, but you can "catch the butterfly again." >.>"

[EmoEmu]

mm. how would that go about though? like torture (riful to jean)?
being human wont stop the pain.
i dont think awaken beings would want to ever go back to being human. being addicted to power and guts and everything.
once yorue an awaken being id think you kinda forget how to be human/claymore, let alone the willingness to supress yoki.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Energy and a caged butterfly?
Meh...
Thats why I said something about superb youki control. Its obvious that it would be difficult, but if your a Claymore, then you've already suppressed your youki into your body before.
Difficult, but you can "catch the butterfly again." >.>"

I get what your saying. Its like for instance....releasing a little youki would releasing the butterfly into a small room where catching it again would be easy. As the amount of youki being released increases, the bigger the room in which the butterfly is released making it proceedingly (wrong word but I cant remember) harder to catch it. From experience, one gets used to always catching butterflies so when interpreted very literally, a full awakening is releasing the butterfly into the wild....though not impossible, there is a possibility of getting it back.....I took this analogy too far.....

[Nagato-Naoe]

Actually... that point is perfect... and then you start throwing in.. a forest or more butterflies in to make it harder to catch the butterfly you need [Pain, anguish, frustration... each could be a false butterfly or tree in which it could hide] but then sometimes a little psycho comes along with a butterfly net and carries it to you so that you can catch it, but sometimes it's too late... and the butterfly died before you could catch it... and then you're left wandering in a forest of pain and suffering, with no way of returning, except catching a fake butterfly to make it look like you did.

[Noelle]

i dont think awaken beings would want to ever go back to being human. being addicted to power and guts and everything.
once yorue an awaken being id think you kinda forget how to be human/claymore, let alone the willingness to supress yoki.
True, quite true.

However, we see cases in which the Awakened Being purposely holds back her true powers so that the Claymores can kill her. Take Hilda's, and Ophelia's case for example. Both held back so that Miria and Clare, respectively, could take their lives. They did not want to, but they had Awakened, and they didn't want to live because they had Awakened, unlike others, who probably decided to live with their new self or whatnot.

Yes, it's possible, but unlikely. Awakening seems to be the fusion of the human and Yoma mind; while they are Claymore, their minds are probably not linked to the Yoma side, acting only as an anchor for its viciousness. But through Awakening something happens to both minds, such that they act like a Yoma, but have the intelligence and memories of a human. That itself seems to be hinting that Awakening is a process that cannot be reversed, unless one were to break or destroy whatever happened between the human and Yoma mind at the point of Awakening.

Soul Link might be a method, but there's no way you can expect anything of that due to the stringent circumstances.

Actually... that point is perfect... and then you start throwing in.. a forest or more butterflies in to make it harder to catch the butterfly you need [Pain, anguish, frustration... each could be a false butterfly or tree in which it could hide] but then sometimes a little psycho comes along with a butterfly net and carries it to you so that you can catch it, but sometimes it's too late... and the butterfly died before you could catch it... and then you're left wandering in a forest of pain and suffering, with no way of returning, except catching a fake butterfly to make it look like you did.
Great metaphor to describe the process of Awakening! [at least, I think it was on Awakening. :lol:]

Yes, and for the weak-willed ones, it would be difficult to catch a butterfly in even a small room, and the butterfly could always find a way out into an even bigger space, and so on and so forth...

[Nagato-Naoe]

Some Awakened don't even know that they are awakened, I forget who [I'm horrible with names], but one of them didn't even know after a full body morph that she had awakened until she saw her reflection, it seems to me that awakening is a claymore... with the feeding urges of youma, and they may seem stronger... but that is because they can use their full power... which if the claymores did.. they too would turn... so claymore 1 could be a stronger claymore than claymore 2, but if claymore 2 awakened... she could be stronger, this is discounting any single digits of course... since the gaps between each numbers are usually substantial.

[pigpie]

The awakened one was Ophelia.

One thing abut awakening is that not only does their body change,their minds change into that of a yoma as well,so fully awaken will cause a Claymore to think like a Yoma and not as a human anymore.Since they lose their human mind,they definitely won't bother about changing back to humans anymore.

Regarding Rigaldo,it was Clare who cut off Rigaldos' arm,so she did kill him,and her awakening is half awakened becasue she still had the mentality of a human,I mean you cannot really gauge how much awakening is half,Jean awakened but her mind didn't,it was also considered half awakened by Clare,so Clares one is half too.I guess Rigaldo is fighting a half awakened Teresa in a way.

Regarding speed though,it is known that Miria can move so fast it leaves mirage,but Rigaldo can move a lot faster but he didn't leave any.

I seriously don't think Alicia and Beth should be given a rank mainly because they don't protect any particular continent,because 47 is the number of continents in the area,I mean the twins are mainly going through orgasm and back again....well Alicia only that is if you guys thought I am talking about both...you should get what I mean.

[MacenKrace]

Actually... that point is perfect... and then you start throwing in.. a forest or more butterflies in to make it harder to catch the butterfly you need [Pain, anguish, frustration... each could be a false butterfly or tree in which it could hide] but then sometimes a little psycho comes along with a butterfly net and carries it to you so that you can catch it, but sometimes it's too late... and the butterfly died before you could catch it... and then you're left wandering in a forest of pain and suffering, with no way of returning, except catching a fake butterfly to make it look like you did.
Enough with the butterflies. Back to the discussion.

[wany1981]

Miria still need at least 3 more vote to beat clare in character battle. Anyone havn't voted yet?

[Useless]

mm. how would that go about though? like torture (riful to jean)?
being human wont stop the pain.
i dont think awaken beings would want to ever go back to being human. being addicted to power and guts and everything.
once yorue an awaken being id think you kinda forget how to be human/claymore, let alone the willingness to supress yoki.
I don't mean you do it yourself. Having a Claymore with youki control that is beyond superb, like that AB in..Pieta. He could forcibly awaken a Claymore, so why not reverse the process?
Actually... that point is perfect... and then you start throwing in.. a forest or more butterflies in to make it harder to catch the butterfly you need [Pain, anguish, frustration... each could be a false butterfly or tree in which it could hide] but then sometimes a little psycho comes along with a butterfly net and carries it to you so that you can catch it, but sometimes it's too late... and the butterfly died before you could catch it... and then you're left wandering in a forest of pain and suffering, with no way of returning, except catching a fake butterfly to make it look like you did.
Same as what I said above...
Your not doing it yourself.
Enough with the butterflies. Back to the discussion.
Butterfly = analogy. This was the discussion.
Miria still need at least 3 more vote to beat clare in character battle. Anyone havn't voted yet?
Miria > all. Was the first to vote on that poll..:p

[wany1981]

But she is about to be elimated.. man.. if u got any friend that havn't voted tell them to vote for miria... i can't stand clare beating miria to get into the final

[Useless]

It wouldn't be the final yet.
Apparently, there is one more 4 person battle after this, with both winners from both sides of the first bracket going against each other, then a 1v1 battle which will decide the winner for bracket one. Then bracket 2 starts...
Anyways, if Clare beats Miria..I'll try to make sure she doesn't get into the finals..>.>"

[MacenKrace]

It wouldn't be the final yet.
Apparently, there is one more 4 person battle after this, with both winners from both sides of the first bracket going against each other, then a 1v1 battle which will decide the winner for bracket one. Then bracket 2 starts...
Anyways, if Clare beats Miria..I'll try to make sure she doesn't get into the finals..>.>"

No place to spam dude?

[Useless]

But she is about to be elimated.. man.. if u got any friend that havn't voted tell them to vote for miria... i can't stand clare beating miria to get into the final

Responding to ^....>.>"
"No place to spam" is more spamish than what I said, btw.

Anyways, since, apparently, the butterflies got the best of my question about unawakening, which isn't a real word..., how bout a new topic...
Umm...*thinks of question*
Isn't it a bit weird that Galatea knew of Agasa?
I mean...how would she even know?
If the organization didn't, how would she?
If the organization did know, then why were they giving Agasa so much freedom if they had Alicia/Beth? Also...since Agasa wasn't the number 2 of the 2 previous generations, what about Teresa? Wouldn't she have been alive when Agasa was? Wouldn't an awakened number 2 be dangerous.....so wouldn't the organization try to stop it?
Meh...

[Duath]

Responding to ^....>.>"
"No place to spam" is more spamish than what I said, btw.

Anyways, since, apparently, the butterflies got the best of my question about unawakening, which isn't a real word..., how bout a new topic...
Umm...*thinks of question*
Isn't it a bit weird that Galatea knew of Agasa?
I mean...how would she even know?
If the organization didn't, how would she?
If the organization did know, then why were they giving Agasa so much freedom if they had Alicia/Beth? Also...since Agasa wasn't the number 2 of the 2 previous generations, what about Teresa? Wouldn't she have been alive when Agasa was? Wouldn't an awakened number 2 be dangerous.....so wouldn't the organization try to stop it?
Meh...


They probably knew of her existence but not where she was. The organization is only able to find awakened beings by hunting them down, or receiving a request. Agasa probably stayed hidden for a while, and the organization lacks the manpower to actively hunt down lots of awakened beings. Galatea just happened to land up in Rabona, where Agasa was, and sensing her, set up camp there. She knows a good bit about the organization's history, so its not surprising.

[Useless]

I knew they couldn't hunt down every AB, but a number 2 seems pretty sever. If the number 1's are the abyssal ones, then a number 2 would be semi-close in power, though still beatable by, like Rigaldo was. Sure, Rigaldo was only beaten by a lucky mostly awakened Teresa junior, but still...>.>"
Thats why I brought up Teresa. She would have been alive, she would have massacred Agasa 134 times.
But...meh. I guess they didn't want to...
Though, I really can't understand why Teresa was where she was when she saved Clare as a child. Why would the number one be fighting regular yomas?

[Dantrag]

Nah, Rigaldo was no where near the power of Isley(Propably not even close to Riful or Luciela either). He got his *** handed to him fair and square first by Isley and then by Priscilla, who in turn beat Isley without much effort.

And I think it was explained that the Organization does not interfere with ABs/Voracious Eaters unless requested simply because many of them are very strong and the organization is making sure that they have strong claymores immediatelly ready to replace the ones that will die (AB's are used as an effective way to remove claymores that can't be trusted without making other claymore's dirty their hands). I think that is also part of the reason why Teresa was on active patrol. At that moment they propably weren't finished with Priscilla, so they didn't want to kill her off even though she was already on the not-to-be-trusted-list and since the soul link-awakening was also on ice due to Luciela-incident a few claymore generations before, Teresa wasn't designed for a special purpose like Alicia/Beth and Luciela/Raphaela.

[Duath]

I knew they couldn't hunt down every AB, but a number 2 seems pretty sever. If the number 1's are the abyssal ones, then a number 2 would be semi-close in power, though still beatable by, like Rigaldo was. Sure, Rigaldo was only beaten by a lucky mostly awakened Teresa junior, but still...>.>"
Thats why I brought up Teresa. She would have been alive, she would have massacred Agasa 134 times.
But...meh. I guess they didn't want to...
Though, I really can't understand why Teresa was where she was when she saved Clare as a child. Why would the number one be fighting regular yomas?

I think the organization underestimated Teresa. They didn't think she could take out Rosemary, but I'm sure if they knew her true strength she may have even been sent after the abyssal ones.

[Useless]

Well....while being far from abyssal, awakened number #2's are still pretty damn strong.

Obviously, but she was still #1. She'd be used for things like this. Was she really on the not-to-be-trusted list? When did it say that? Cuz I missed it. I thought they didn't want to kill Teresa until she killed the humans. Oh...and Teresa wasn't used for the soul link because she had no twin.

[Useless]

I think the organization underestimated Teresa. They didn't think she could take out Rosemary, but I'm sure if they knew her true strength she may have even been sent after the abyssal ones.

Point taken, but who said to send her out alone?
Teresa plus others = Teresa plus nothing important, but the organization wouldn't see it that way. >.>"

[SilentBuddhist]

1MMCM and everyone else! I came back after a long absence!

So ya...Sorry about being absent, but I'll try and catch up here.

Nah, Rigaldo was no where near the power of Isley(Propably not even close to Riful or Luciela either). He got his *** handed to him fair and square first by Isley and then by Priscilla, who in turn beat Isley without much effort.

And I think it was explained that the Organization does not interfere with ABs/Voracious Eaters unless requested simply because many of them are very strong and the organization is making sure that they have strong claymores immediatelly ready to replace the ones that will die (AB's are used as an effective way to remove claymores that can't be trusted without making other claymore's dirty their hands). I think that is also part of the reason why Teresa was on active patrol. At that moment they propably weren't finished with Priscilla, so they didn't want to kill her off even though she was already on the not-to-be-trusted-list and since the soul link-awakening was also on ice due to Luciela-incident a few claymore generations before, Teresa wasn't designed for a special purpose like Alicia/Beth and Luciela/Raphaela.

Well, you're right about the Org not messing with ABs unless it's requested (why that is I don't know), but that was seven years ago, before the battle in Pieta. After that things went normal again, except the Org is just short on warriors.

Rosemary gave out the Black Card to the Org to give to Teresa, which is why Teresa was chosen to kill Rosemary. It wasn't a matter of suspecting or wanting to kill Teresa, Rosemary just wanted revenge for being demoted, and used the Black Card to have Teresa come to her.

[Useless]

Rosemary gave out the Black Card to the Org to give to Teresa, which is why Teresa was chosen to kill Rosemary. It wasn't a matter of suspecting or wanting to kill Teresa, Rosemary just wanted revenge for being demoted, and used the Black Card to have Teresa come to her.

I'll assume this is directed at my comment about her awakening?
Well..I know that. Thats why I never used that as evidence.
Which is now leading me to believe that you weren't talking to me...>.>"
Separate paragraphs confuse me now..>.>"

Oh...and your paragraph to Dantrag, about things returning to normal after the seven year break, contradicts what you started out with, saying "that was 7 years ago."

[SilentBuddhist]

I was referring to the North War in Pieta, when the 24 Claymores were sent North to actively hunt ABs. Now the Org's policy is the same as it was before Pieta, except they're just short on warriors. That was what I meant.

As for the Black Card comment, it was to whoever said "Teresa was sent to kill Rosemary because the Org didn't trust her", along those lines. I could have misread something...

[Useless]

Ah...more sense has been made then. I thought you meant they didn't do that seven years ago, meaning they do it now, but then you said they were back to normal. >.>"

Someone said that?
Someone probably used the word "wasn't." I think you misread it.

[EmoEmu]

I think the organization underestimated Teresa. They didn't think she could take out Rosemary, but I'm sure if they knew her true strength she may have even been sent after the abyssal ones.

She couldnt take out an abyssmal one could she? it took an abyssmal to take out an abyssmal. i figured they didnt send her cause they didnt want to send the greatest claymore ever to her death.

[Duath]

She couldnt take out an abyssmal one could she? it took an abyssmal to take out an abyssmal. i figured they didnt send her cause they didnt want to send the greatest claymore ever to her death.

Thats debatable. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that she could slay an Abyssal one with more than 10% release. If she defeated the former number 1, who became number 2 and awakened, with only 10% of her power, who knows how much damage she could deal to Riful, or Isley, or Luciela with a 70% release.

[Dantrag]

Not to mention she (Teresa) was able to match and overpower Priscilla's 80-90% yoki by releasing just 10% of her own yoki. And Priscilla had alot more potential etc than Terese. So I don't see why she couldn't have taken out an abyssal one, but it would propably be a close call, which is why I think the organization didn't even try that.

And like I said, that high quality yoma, even if clare has less of it does explain why clare is much more powerfull than you'd expect her to be. But still it does make you wonder why haven't we seen such yoma in action? All yomas we have seen were pretty much from the same mold with same rather pathetic abilities.

[Jammerjoint]

Anyone know when the next chapter is gonna be out?

I mean...the whole thing kinda died all over again...for a while now.

[Dantrag]

I think it's going to be a two month wait for now. Claymore is a monthly manga but I remember reading that the author is going to be taking a break. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Useless]

Not to mention she (Teresa) was able to match and overpower Priscilla's 80-90% yoki by releasing just 10% of her own yoki. And Priscilla had alot more potential etc than Terese. So I don't see why she couldn't have taken out an abyssal one, but it would propably be a close call, which is why I think the organization didn't even try that.

And like I said, that high quality yoma, even if clare has less of it does explain why clare is much more powerfull than you'd expect her to be. But still it does make you wonder why haven't we seen such yoma in action? All yomas we have seen were pretty much from the same mold with same rather pathetic abilities.

Priscilla had more potential, but Teresa was still stronger.

I'm guessing their extraordinary shapes and powers comes from power. Most are weak, and therefore the same. Some, however, attain power and "evolve." Or something...

[Duath]

I think it's going to be a two month wait for now. Claymore is a monthly manga but I remember reading that the author is going to be taking a break. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I think we figured out that the next issue will come out in February, but then the mangaka will take a break.

[SilentBuddhist]

E-K cleared up for us that the manga is still monthly, so we'll be getting the next chapter in February. We're just getting the "March" Issue, but the latest chapter we have right now was February's Issue, and so on and so forth. Nothing really changed with the releases, it's still the same.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

I think we figured out that the next issue will come out in February, but then the mangaka will take a break.So no new chapter in March? :confused:

[Useless]

So no new chapter in March? :confused:

E-K cleared up for us that the manga is still monthly, so we'll be getting the next chapter in February. We're just getting the "March" Issue, but the latest chapter we have right now was February's Issue, and so on and so forth. Nothing really changed with the releases, it's still the same.

Read that...>.>"

[SilentBuddhist]

No, like I said we'll still be getting chapters once a month for the time being. In March we should get April's issue, in April, May's issue, and so forth.

EDIT: Meh..I'm repeating myself...>.>"

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Read that...>.>"
Um, I know that. But I was confused by Duath's post as he said that the mangaka will be taking a break after the next issue, which will be the April issue that'll come out in March. Thus why I asked whether there'll still be a new chp in March.

[Useless]

E-K cleared up for us that the manga is still monthly, so we'll be getting the next chapter in February. We're just getting the "March" Issue, but the latest chapter we have right now was February's Issue, and so on and so forth. Nothing really changed with the releases, it's still the same.
This was in response to..
I think we figured out that the next issue will come out in February, but then the mangaka will take a break.

..this.
Duath said "think," SB said E-K figured it out.

[Hynavian]

I have been reading through the many pages *phew* and I finally caught up to this page. However, I got lost in the last 2 pages. If I didn't remember wrongly, the last topic was whether Priscilla has the potential to defeat Teresa?

I remember Irene saying that kid Priscilla has the possibility of surpassing Teresa one day but I won't be trusting Irene's words much at all as she has made many errors in her "predictions". Assuming Priscilla did not awaken, would her potential allow her to surpass the mighty Teresa? What do you all think?

[Useless]

Well, unless I missed something, I don't think that was the topic. >.>"
Anyways, it is the topic now I guess.
She did have the potential to eventually surpass Teresa. Even Teresa saw it, which is why she wanted to kill her. Too bad Clare made her soft....Even worse than that, Clare is beating Miria in the OMCB! (Unrelated, but a travesty nonetheless! :()

[SilentBuddhist]

I have been reading through the many pages *phew* and I finally caught up to this page. However, I got lost in the last 2 pages. If I didn't remember wrongly, the last topic was whether Priscilla has the potential to defeat Teresa?

I remember Irene saying that kid Priscilla has the possibility of surpassing Teresa one day but I won't be trusting Irene's words much at all as she has made many errors in her "predictions". Assuming Priscilla did not awaken, would her potential allow her to surpass the mighty Teresa? What do you all think?

Not right away, no. But if Priscilla had as much experience as Teresa, and was not a newcomer and young, she could have a better chance at beating Teresa. "Could" and "Better" are the key words here, as even then I can't make too accurate an estimate of how good she would be, but Teresa did sense the potential Priscilla had to beat her later. How much later is uncertain, but I would assume years, maybe even a decade.

[Hynavian]

Well, unless I missed something, I don't think that was the topic. >.>"
Anyways, it is the topic now I guess.
She did have the potential to eventually surpass Teresa. Even Teresa saw it, which is why she wanted to kill her. Too bad Clare made her soft....Even worse than that, Clare is beating Miria in the OMCB! (Unrelated, but a travesty nonetheless! :()
Ah...Miria is losing to Clare. :o
The last topic was "when is the next Claymore issue going to be out?"

I'm wondering if Teresa is not dead and Priscilla continues to develop her potential, would Teresa remain stagnant so that Priscilla has the chance to surpass her? From Irene's "assumptions on Priscilla" (that she might surpass Teresa), Irene is giving me the impression that Teresa has reached her peak and can no longer progress anymore, which I highly doubt is true.

[Useless]

Ah...Miria is losing to Clare. :o
The last topic was "when is the next Claymore issue going to be out?"

I'm wondering if Teresa is not dead and Priscilla continues to develop her potential, would Teresa remain stagnant so that Priscilla has the chance to surpass her? From Irene's "assumptions on Priscilla" (that she might surpass Teresa), Irene is giving me the impression that Teresa has reached her peak and can no longer progress anymore, which I highly doubt is true.

The last topic...but there were topics that I brought up that were brought up...by me...a lot earlier..>.>"

Like this.
Priscilla had more potential, but Teresa was still stronger.

I'm guessing their extraordinary shapes and powers comes from power. Most are weak, and therefore the same. Some, however, attain power and "evolve." Or something...
This was on the AB's forms and how regular yoma had a form that was the same as all other Yoma. Those asexualites..>.>" (fake words ftw?)
This never got anything...
Maybe you already discussed though. I don't know, I haven't been in the Claymore threads long enough...

I was thinking that if you could forcefully awaken a Claymore, you'd be able to do the opposite.
This one got some discussion, but was mostly talk of a butterfly metaphor. Thanks Tensa....:p


Anyways, back to your post.
I don't think Teresa reached her peak, but the majority of her growth has ended. Teresa won't get a lot stronger in a short period, but Priscilla, the one who is still young and needs training, will. There is no training Teresa could have done to revamp all her skills like a novice Claymore such as Priscilla would do. Teresa was already strong, so it becomes more difficult to become strong.
Did that make sense, or did I mess it up...I think I messed something up in there..>.>"

[Darkwing Bahamut]

I'm wondering if Teresa is not dead and Priscilla continues to develop her potential, would Teresa remain stagnant so that Priscilla has the chance to surpass her? From Irene's "assumptions on Priscilla" (that she might surpass Teresa), Irene is giving me the impression that Teresa has reached her peak and can no longer progress anymore, which I highly doubt is true.It’s not just Irene who made that assumption either, Teresa herself admitted to the possibility that she may not be able to win against Priscilla the next time (and by that I don’t think she meant 10 years later either, as the Org will be constantly pursuing her).

Teresa knew of her own strength better than anyone else and that Priscilla’s latent potential will eventually surpasses her own. Of course, it’s possible that Teresa might’ve barred some of her own latent strength from that hypothesis, since she’s kept most of her powers hidden all that time (as shown during Rosemary incident), and even against a formidable foe like Priscilla she probably wasn’t willing to have them revealed.

Another possibility is that Teresa wasn’t able to accurately gauge Priscilla’s strength back then, because she had her Yoki suppressed to the maximum, and the only thing she was able to sense was that Priscilla harbored a monster inside. If this is true then she could’ve overestimated her potential. Either way, I really don’t think that assumption should be taken as the only evidence that suggests Teresa would lose against Priscilla with all her potential realized, if there had been a “next time”.

I don't think Teresa reached her peak, but the majority of her growth has ended. Teresa won't get a lot stronger in a short period, but Priscilla, the one who is still young and needs training, will. There is no training Teresa could have done to revamp all her skills like a novice Claymore such as Priscilla would do. Teresa was already strong, so it becomes more difficult to become strong.
Did that make sense, or did I mess it up...I think I messed something up in there..>.>"It’s true that Priscilla had a lot more room for progress compared to Teresa who was likely to have reached the pinnacle of her power. But the latter also had unknown prowess of her own that if revealed could rival those of the fully awakened Priscilla.

[MacenKrace]

It’s true that Priscilla had a lot more room for progress compared to Teresa who was likely to have reached the pinnacle of her power. But the latter also had unknown prowess of her own that if revealed could rival those of the fully awakened Priscilla.

Actually it's unknown what would have happened in the future. Teressa could have killed her since she had more experience.

[EmoEmu]

Actually it's unknown what would have happened in the future. Teressa could have killed her since she had more experience.

i dont know what wouldve happened in the future, but in that first and last fight between priscilla and teresa, when contemplating whether to kill priscilla or not in the city, it didnt look like teresa got soft. more like, she knew priscilla had potential, and knew she (teresa) wouldnt work for the org anymore, so she was preserving a successor. cause she knew irene wasnt up for it if she did kill priscilla. like she had high hopes for priscilla i guess.i dont htink at the the time she knew priscilla was gonna go all out and awaken.
but tahts just me.

[Scorpio-Girl]

i dont know what wouldve happened in the future, but in that first and last fight between priscilla and teresa, when contemplating whether to kill priscilla or not in the city, it didnt look like teresa got soft. more like, she knew priscilla had potential, and knew she (teresa) wouldnt work for the org anymore, so she was preserving a successor. cause she knew irene wasnt up for it if she did kill priscilla. like she had high hopes for priscilla i guess.i dont htink at the the time she knew priscilla was gonna go all out and awaken.
but tahts just me.
I don't agree with that. Teresa had gone soft only because of Clare. She didn't want to kill anyone unless she had to. Teresa knew Prissy had potential but that didn't influence her decision in not killing her, I think.
Not killing Prissy was not to preserve a successor for the Organisation. She didn't care for the Organisation..

If Teresa knew that Prissy was going to awaken- Teresa would've killed her without question, at that time, when she knew she could have beat her.

[Lucha]

I was thinking that if you could forcefully awaken a Claymore, you'd be able to do the opposite.


Dunno about full awakening, but surely Galatea pull Clare back twice on their first encounter with Riful. After that, Clare pull Jean from her awakening. And after Clare return 7 years later, Riful state that she wants claymore comrade with yoki manipulation speciality. Perhaps to pull or disrupt Priscillia from awakening(transforming)? and chop her head off while she's defenseless (after kicking Isley's butt of course)?


Actually... that point is perfect... and then you start throwing in.. a forest or more butterflies in to make it harder to catch the butterfly you need [Pain, anguish, frustration... each could be a false butterfly or tree in which it could hide] but then sometimes a little psycho comes along with a butterfly net and carries it to you so that you can catch it, but sometimes it's too late... and the butterfly died before you could catch it... and then you're left wandering in a forest of pain and suffering, with no way of returning, except catching a fake butterfly to make it look like you did.


Ever hear people catch butterfly with 'pheromone's' help?


Isn't it a bit weird that Galatea knew of Agasa?
I mean...how would she even know?
If the organization didn't, how would she?
If the organization did know, then why were they giving Agasa so much freedom if they had Alicia/Beth? Also...since Agasa wasn't the number 2 of the 2 previous generations, what about Teresa? Wouldn't she have been alive when Agasa was? Wouldn't an awakened number 2 be dangerous.....so wouldn't the organization try to stop it?



Allow me to remind you, it's chapter 74 page 28-29 on OneManga's version. It reads "Ever since I lost my eyes, I've been able to read youki like never before". Perhaps that's the way she know about Agasa's existence in Rabona.

Perhaps the org know, but remember the policy of the org before Pieta Incident. Again, in chapter 25 page 14. It reads "We don't give awakened beings special treatment" and "If we get a request, we send a group to deal with them. Otherwise, we leave them alone"

Jeez... it's like I'm reading the old tastement...

Sorry for the long post, just miss the forum for 2 days and I've to read the whole 6 pages... each thread... *sigh*

[Noelle]

(...) Perhaps to pull or disrupt Priscillia from awakening(transforming)? and chop her head off while she's defenseless (after kicking Isley's butt of course)?

Plausible, I think the same way too. But it would require quite some skill on the person's part.

But, Riful said she found something interesting. The definition of 'something' here can be:

An object
An idea
A method

I don't see it being an object; Claymore hasn't shown itself as some story whereby the protagonist or whatnot suddenly finds a very powerful blade made of whatever material and suddenly attains the ability to kill the once-extremely powerful enemy.

It could be an idea/method on how to kill Priscilla, or to gain control of Alicia and Beth. Does Riful know about the twins? She may want them, so she can take on Priscilla while Alicia/Beth take on Isley, or the other way round. Remember Isley killed Luciela so that Riful didn't have another Abyssal One to team up with to fight the two of them.
(...) Again, in chapter 25 page 14. It reads "We don't give awakened beings special treatment" and "If we get a request, we send a group to deal with them. Otherwise, we leave them alone"
After the 7-year timeskip, the organization has switched policies to actively hunting Awakened Beings. Agasa was probably exceptional at masking or hiding her Yoki like Riful, escaping all but the ones that excel in Yoki sensing.

Galatea was the eye of her time, and the fact that she had lost her eyes only served to enhance her Yoki sensing skill so much so that she could sense and read the flows of Claymores on suppression pills.

Why not Agasa, who wasn't even completely suppressing her Yoki, probably just hiding it?

Also, Cid mentioned humans were disappearing occasionally in recent months. I think most towns - Rabona included - would only call in the organization when they have confirmed it's a Yoma. It could be a kidnapper for all they know, and Rabona would have just had to fork out an insane sum of money for nothing.

The two Awakened Being hunts we have seen so far after the 7-year timeskip are Awakened Beings that are in the wild. The organization probably still keeps the same policy as in the past with towns. I mean, if a group of Claymores were to suddenly barge into a town and start slaying an Awakened Being, then leave without demanding for payment, wouldn't the organization be losing money?

And even if the organization did ask for the money, what if the town was not able to pay? They can't extort it from them since they don't have enough, even though the organization might stoop that low, but in the first place, the town didn't even ask for the organization's assistance.

They might have known of Agasa's existence in Rabona, but because she was in a town, not in the wild, and no one from Rabona requested the organization dispatch a Claymore to check out the situation, the organization did nothing.

Which is also most likely why Galatea wanted to help Rabona. Partly to spite the organization and rob them of a [small] amount of income, if a request did get sent. :lol:

[MacenKrace]

And yet againg 10 more pages filled without me. Plausible, I think the same way too. But it would require quite some skill on the person's part.

But, Riful said she found something interesting. The definition of 'something' here can be:

* An object
* An idea
* A method

I don't see it being an object; Claymore hasn't shown itself as some story whereby the protagonist or whatnot suddenly finds a very powerful blade made of whatever material and suddenly attains the ability to kill the once-extremely powerful enemy.

It could be an idea/method on how to kill Priscilla, or to gain control of Alicia and Beth. Does Riful know about the twins? She may want them, so she can take on Priscilla while Alicia/Beth take on Isley, or the other way round. Remember Isley killed Luciela so that Riful didn't have another Abyssal One to team up with to fight the two of them.

Those objects could be people like Clare or minor awakened being.

Also Isley didn't kill Luciella but he defeated her. It's a small difference you know.

[Noelle]

Also Isley didn't kill Luciella but he defeated her. It's a small difference you know.
Oops. My bad. I forgot Raphaela killed her. >_<

Either way, Isley did say from the very moment he attacked Luciela, his plan had been completed, or something along the lines of that, I guess.

[wany1981]

Wow.. it's been 1 week and this thread haven't finished 20 pages.. this claymore topic is really slowing down... It use to be 2-3 days a thread.

[Lucha]

It could be an idea/method on how to kill Priscilla, or to gain control of Alicia and Beth. Does Riful know about the twins? She may want them, so she can take on Priscilla while Alicia/Beth take on Isley, or the other way round. Remember Isley killed Luciela so that Riful didn't have another Abyssal One to team up with to fight the two of them.


Perhaps she knows about the twins, she stated that the org has created claymore strong enough to oppose abyss ones and even if Luciella died, there's still three of them(Abyss One). But I think that she's smart enough not to try something with the twins, since they're created specially to deal with her...


After the 7-year timeskip, the organization has switched policies to actively hunting Awakened Beings. Agasa was probably exceptional at masking or hiding her Yoki like Riful, escaping all but the ones that excel in Yoki sensing.

Galatea was the eye of her time, and the fact that she had lost her eyes only served to enhance her Yoki sensing skill so much so that she could sense and read the flows of Claymores on suppression pills.

Why not Agasa, who wasn't even completely suppressing her Yoki, probably just hiding it?

Also, Cid mentioned humans were disappearing occasionally in recent months. I think most towns - Rabona included - would only call in the organization when they have confirmed it's a Yoma. It could be a kidnapper for all they know, and Rabona would have just had to fork out an insane sum of money for nothing.

The two Awakened Being hunts we have seen so far after the 7-year timeskip are Awakened Beings that are in the wild. The organization probably still keeps the same policy as in the past with towns. I mean, if a group of Claymores were to suddenly barge into a town and start slaying an Awakened Being, then leave without demanding for payment, wouldn't the organization be losing money?

And even if the organization did ask for the money, what if the town was not able to pay? They can't extort it from them since they don't have enough, even though the organization might stoop that low, but in the first place, the town didn't even ask for the organization's assistance.

They might have known of Agasa's existence in Rabona, but because she was in a town, not in the wild, and no one from Rabona requested the organization dispatch a Claymore to check out the situation, the organization did nothing.

Which is also most likely why Galatea wanted to help Rabona. Partly to spite the organization and rob them of a [small] amount of income, if a request did get sent.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the topic before was about why the org didn't sent someone (like Teresa) to purge Agasa. The context is about the 'Old Tastement' ^^ (Before the Pieta Incident).

But you got a strong point if you're reffering after the Pieta Incident, especially when Rabona is a anti-Claymore city. The org won't just sent a team to a city who definitely won't pay after they finish the job.


Wow.. it's been 1 week and this thread haven't finished 20 pages.. this claymore topic is really slowing down... It use to be 2-3 days a thread.


Can't help about it, since claymore are monthly, we'll eventually run out of topic to discuss since it's so slow. From now on, imagine that we'll talk about one chapter for the whole month... >.<

[Darkwing Bahamut]

But you got a strong point if you're reffering after the Pieta Incident, especially when Rabona is a anti-Claymore city. The org won't just sent a team to a city who definitely won't pay after they finish the job.Hmm, but I thought they no longer hold that anti-Claymore policy as we discovered in 1 of the latest chapters?

Can't help about it, since claymore are monthly, we'll eventually run out of topic to discuss since it's so slow. From now on, imagine that we'll talk about one chapter for the whole month... >.<Also, didn't help that ch76 offered very little to discuss. :/ Hopefully the next chp will be faster paced. I'm just sick of seeing all the recent chapters end with the Galatea Vs Miata Vs Agasa standoff every time. >_>

[SilentBuddhist]

Hmm, but I thought they no longer hold that anti-Claymore policy as we discovered in 1 of the latest chapters?
Their hate for them has gone down a bit, but they still aren't fond of having Claymores around. I'll have to check back again.
Also, didn't help that ch76 offered very little to discuss. :/ Hopefully the next chp will be faster paced. I'm just sick of seeing all the recent chapters end with the Galatea Vs Miata Vs Agasa standoff every time. >_>
Indeed -.- Miria and the gang need to show up. -still angry at the OMCB poll results-

I'd say the battle could end the chapter after the next (78-79, maybe 80), but definitely not the next. Unless it's a lengthy chapter. Clarice ought to wise up and tell Miata to kill Agasa instead of Galatea.

[mooc0w]

when will the next claymore manga be up to view?
(long with C.A.T, Hellsing) :P

[SilentBuddhist]

*head seethes*

Claymore's monthly. I don't know when exactly it should be up, but check the last time it was updated, and it should be around a month from then. Hellsing and C.A.T., I don't know.

[Useless]

Their hate for them has gone down a bit, but they still aren't fond of having Claymores around. I'll have to check back again.

Indeed -.- Miria and the gang need to show up. -still angry at the OMCB poll results-

I'd say the battle could end the chapter after the next (78-79, maybe 80), but definitely not the next. Unless it's a lengthy chapter. Clarice ought to wise up and tell Miata to kill Agasa instead of Galatea.
For all of you reading that post...notice, not Clare and the gang, Miria and the gang. MIRIA!!! *stabs OMCB poll*
Anyways...ending next chapter? Unless its...a really long chapter, like double length, then it won't end then. Like you said...
The thing I'm waiting for is what happens after Agasa is decimated by Galatea/others. How will Clarice/Miata resolve the Galatea matter? With the death of themselves? Galatea > those 2.
when will the next claymore manga be up to view?
(long with C.A.T, Hellsing) :P

Claymore is released the first week of the month. I don't know about the others.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Well, Miria acts the leader of the group so I guess you could call it "Miria's gang", though I think the one who does most of the actual rebellion is Clare, thus why people refer to them as "Clare-tachi". :lol:

Let's hope that Yagi-san hears the pleas of his devoted Claymore fans, and present to us an uber mega-sized chapter 77! :thumbup:[/wishfulthinking]

[SilentBuddhist]

Clare does the most rebelling? She's more concerned with killing Pris and finding Raki than anything else. Plus she never really started "rebelling" until Miria filled her and the rest of the group in on the details.

Uber-sized chapters rarely happen, save for the intros of a manga. I don't often see a chapter that's an extra 10-20 pages.

[Useless]

Except for this chapter of Claymore? /optimism.

What do you mean by "Most Rebelling"? The ones who do the most rebelling are Miria, Clare, Deneve, and Helen....I don't think I got those names wrong, but I might have. >.>"
The others with them are there, but aren't...that great. Anyways, they are the main ones, so they do the most. Clare being the protagonist doesn't give her more "rebellion points."

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Clare was the one that took the initiative to go south, wasn't she? The rest merely went along with her decision and followed course (under their desire for rebellion). Otherwise who knows how long the 7 would've remained stagnant in the North? Clare was like the catalyst that spurred them into action, at least that's the way I see it.

[SilentBuddhist]

Clare was the one that took the initiative to go south, wasn't she? The rest merely went along with her decision and followed course (under their desire for rebellion). Otherwise who knows how long the 7 would've remained stagnant in the North? Clare was like the catalyst that spurred them into action, at least that's the way I see it.
Yeah, but rebellion wasn't her intention. She was going to go there herself, and the rest decided to follow. But that doesn't mean she was the "most rebellious".

Miria pretty started the whole rebellion thing PERIOD. Which is why you don't hear many say "Clare and the gang", but rather "Miria and the gang" :D

[Useless]

Plus the fact that Clare is inadequate when compared to Miria. >.>"
If your going to say Clare spurred the rebellion, you might as well say it was Raki who did it by meeting Clare in the first place..>.>"

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Read what I said. I didn't say Clare spurred the rebellion itself, but rather she spurred the rest of them into action. She may not prioritize rebellion right now like Miria and the rest, but nonetheless she made them decide to actually carry out their rebellion rather than leave it as a mere desire.

[Useless]

If that is true, then she isn't the one who rebelled the most. And...wasn't...wasn't that your point? That she rebelled the most? The decision to move away from the North and the decision to rebel seem pretty different to me...:/

[Darkwing Bahamut]

My point was that Clare MAde the rebellion happen. Without her decision to leave the North, the rest of them probably wouldn't have done so anytime soon. Doesn't that tell you of her importance in the gang?

The reason people call it "Miria and gang" is because she has the better leadership qualities.

[Useless]

Making Miria the leader. Making it "Miria and the gang," not "Clare and the gang."
It was her decision to leave the north, but it was also the decision of every Claymore in the north to leave as well. Clare, on her own, wouldn't have started any form of rebellion. It all relied on Miria's decision and leadership skills.

[Darkwing Bahamut]

No point debating on the right title for the group, really. People will call them "Miria's gang" or "Clare's gang" based on their character of preference, obviously. All I'm trying to say is that while Miria has the will, Clare has the way, figuratively speaking.

[wany1981]

Nooooo.. Miria lost..

I am almost angry enough to toss my clare action figure in the garbage.

[SilentBuddhist]

Nooooo.. Miria lost..

I am almost angry enough to toss my clare action figure in the garbage.
Skah! (yep...I'm taking Duath's favorite word :lol: ) We need a Miria figurine...that would be awesome b(^_^)d

[Useless]

Skah! (yep...I'm taking Duath's favorite word :lol: ) We need a Miria figurine...that would be awesome b(^_^)d

As well as the word I took from him...>.>"
Anyways, a Miria figurine....
It should have the ability to pwn Clare. Like the actual Miria. Who should kill Clare for a "plot twist," and not revenge for the OMCB.
>.>
<.<

[Darkwing Bahamut]

Meh, Teresa wouldn't need a figurine to pwn Clare. :)

BUT if she had one, then I'd be tempted to buy it.

Even tho I don't usually go for teh merchandise.

[SilentBuddhist]

I'm perfectly fine with dishing out $80 for a Miria figurine, if it's high quality :D

Miria, Teresa and Flora are the only Claymores I wouldn't mind seeing a figure made for >.> Though the rest, I doubt I'd buy.

*Obviously out of ideas for discussing the Claymore chapters atm*

[Dantrag]

Figurines would be nice. IMO, what would be even more nice, would be that they'd make those figurines similar to the paint-it-yourself-figurines of Warhammer etc. Talk about a chance of making your own custom Galateas and Teresas...

[Megabuster]

Figurines would be nice. IMO, what would be even more nice, would be that they'd make those figurines similar to the paint-it-yourself-figurines of Warhammer etc. Talk about a chance of making your own custom Galateas and Teresas...

I hate those stupid warhammer models...They are so annoying and you can never pain them perfectly....>.>

[Useless]

Galatea as a nun is good enough for me. I don't need to ruin it by painting it..>.>"
The only characters I would consider buying would be Miria, Galatea, and Teresa. The others can burn...their figurines at least....
Especially if they made one for Raki...>.>
*doesn't actually hate him, but likes riding the bandwagon*
Its a lot better than walking...>.>"

[Duath]

Skah! (yep...I'm taking Duath's favorite word :lol: ) We need a Miria figurine...that would be awesome b(^_^)d

....


No, you are not. Niether should you Useless. :mad:


Miria lost! NOOOOOOOO!

[SilentBuddhist]

Meh...*gives it back*

*Kills Clare in his head and gives all her votes to Miria*

I wish I could do that -.-

[Useless]

....


No, you are not. Niether should you Useless. :mad:


Miria lost! NOOOOOOOO!

But..you said it was ok..T.T
Sk...eh?
Its...its just not the same.

SB...if you could do that, then I'd force you to do that. Though I wouldn't need to, since you'd do it anyways. I just happen to like using force. (b^_^)b

[SilentBuddhist]

...

Let's harass Greg then! (b^_^)b

Grah...is he even around?

Well...If I could, I would have just made votes go to her automatically, rather than send Clare's votes to her. That'd make it a bit easier to not get caught in the act :D

[Dantrag]

He's around. [shameless suggestion] *cough* You could harass him about the claymore-fan group and title too *cough*[/shameless suggestion]

[SilentBuddhist]

I PMed him, but he never responded. And that was 3 weeks ago...I definitely sent it to him.

[Dantrag]

Damn it Greg. Wake up and check your PMs again. Hopefully it does come around sooner or later. The quality of Bleach and Naruto has been dropping like a cow's tail, I've never liked OP and D-GrayMan is just so-so, so the only group I'd be interested in is Claymore. Or they could just make a group for the resident perverts of this boards, that would be a sure join...

*goes back to hunt a better signature and avatar on Isley and Prissy*

[SilentBuddhist]

< Insert awesome Claymore title here >

-.-

Gah...What made SJ delay their releases again? Not that I think it'll affect Claymore much...

I think I'll change my title to Prezzo Pro Tempore...hollywoodlou isn't really around.

Okay, new thread.