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Hynavian

01-03-2008, 10:33 AM

Last 3 posts from Claymore XVII, have fun discussing guys!

Yea. I agree. >.>'

I think that would happen. When Ophelia awakened, she still had the mentality of hating ABs and kept the same thoughts, they were just infused with an incessant need to rip apart a human! (b^_^)b
Miata would keep the same thoughts as well, she would just eat people...

I think it also depends on the AB that you have in mind too. Agasa would have ****** and **** Syd and then ultimately eat him but that does not applies to all ABs. Agasa, on the first hand, has shown an overwhelming female sexuality, the first of her kind. The other female ABs (that we have read so far) have not behaved like her.

Take Priscilla for example, she might or might not ****** and **** Raki because:
1) Priscilla is not Agasa.
2) Raki is not sexy enough, who would want to do him in? O_o
3) She might really like Raki and wants him as her pet or maybe temporary partner.
4) Or maybe she might want .....I better not go there. :lol:

Ok see you around Useless, today was a good discussion! :p

Ah yes, I have never thought of seprating the mentality of awakened beings into different categories; like normal ABs and Abyssal Ones. From how I view it, the smartness of ABs does depend on how long they live but its not totally true. It appears that they're smarter because they have lived longer and hence, got more time to study. Imagine studying high school for 10 years while a rookie just enrolled and is in his 1st year....yup, think education.

New Abs might be start but maybe they might lack the experience as an AB. If Miria is to awaken, I don't think her intelligence would degrade and she would be just as smart, possibly whipping and eating towns of humans.

Good point made captain, it's about mutually using each other to the maximum. Riful might rip Clare apart at the end of it but that doesn't mean that Clare would stand there and be ripped apart. She'll most probably run away or sabotage Riful somehow and bring her down, along with her.

My guess is that Miata might still treat Clarice as her "mama" as ABs retain their past memories. She did acknowledged Clarice as her "mama" and it would be weird if she awakened and called her "papa" right? :lol:

Noelle

01-03-2008, 12:51 PM

Man, I read and read and got myself completely muddled. >_>" Let's see.

Ophelia Awakened and on the contrary, became more human.
Hilda Awakened but managed to suppress her Yoki to make it easy for Miria to kill her.
Priscilla Awakened and lost the mindset of a child [at least, in her Awakened form], speaking with maturity.

Awakened Beings are odd, yet complete fusions of a human and a Yoma. It appears that the only drastic changes when a Claymore Awakens are that she has an incredible craving for guts, and her physical appearance. Personalities also tend to shift, either slightly or strongly to the Yoma or human side, apparently depending on the Claymore's personal desires before she Awakened.

Based on this, Miata's personality after Awakening will be in the extremes, due to her mental instability now. Either she will definitely still call Clarice 'mama' after Awakening, although I can't imagine an Awakened Being huge enough to crush Clarice continue doing what she likes to do to Clarice, or she will jump to a whole new level of maturity, the maturity of her actual age and more, which her instability had rendered her incapable of reaching it. In this whole new level of maturity Miata will most likely kill Clarice, as most Awakened Beings would.

The world and ethics of Awakened Being is certainly totally different from a Claymore's, as seen in the Witch's Maw arc when Riful chatted with Jean/Galatea & Clare. Their morals and ethics clashed rather violently, with neither side able to see light in the other's words. It could be that in an Awakened Being's world, what is truly the only way to survive is to become strong, intelligent and versatile. I can't imagine Awakened Beings not fighting when they meet each other, especially when there's a village nearby that both want to devour.

What did Riful say? She said Isley was gathering an army in the North, and was picking a fight with her, so she was also trying to gather an army.

In the Slashers' Arc, the innkeeper told Raki that several Claymores had ventured to those mountains where the Awakened Being was and never returned, indicating the Awakened Being probably has always been there [although he was an exception; he appeared to be working with the organization. But that was Miria's assumption and he might have just been deceiving her out of fun, so that's something we will never know].

So it seems that Awakened Beings may have their own territories if they are strong enough, and another Awakened can fight with the territory owner for the land, sort of like a male lion fighting another male lion to defend his territory and family.

I certainly didn't intend for this post to be that confusing... :ninja:

18fenrir

01-03-2008, 02:49 PM

wow Thread 18.. :) <3

Oh on the thoughts of mentality of AB..

Theory: I think it's simple to presume that in most cases, the original personality of the claymore would dominate in the personality of the AB.

Case 1: Ophelia. Original personality, sadistic, murderous and bears extreme hatred for ABs.
She became much more sadistic but on realising that she was an AB, pretty much freaked out. But then her suicidal tendencies helped Clare along. So i guess we can call it a positive example of the theory. Although her disregard for her own life was pretty new to her personality.

Case 2: Hilda. Not much is know about her. But we can presume, Kind, friendly and helpful from her interactions with Miria.
On awakening, she lurks at the mountain. (although it is interesting to note who did send the request for her? because it would be hard to imagine her rampaging villages) She was in the end still bearing a soft spot for Miria and technically allowed Miria to kill her.

Case 3: Priscilla. Pre-awakened = klutz, innocent, naive, almost child-like.
After awakened? She really became a child :p (it's pointless to compare her i think.. )

Case 4: Agasa. Know to have been delighted at blood.
She still is delighted with blood bathing =_=|||

Case 5: need i go on :p

SilentBuddhist

01-03-2008, 05:18 PM

Okay then! Thanks for making the thread Prezzy^^

Ignoring jeffmas from the last thread, I'm moving on.

Okay, I'm guessing the topic is: ABs: More monster or more themselves?

I'd say more themselves after awakening. The #1 Example: Ophelia. She was insane to the point of sadistic torture while she was a Claymore, and it really didn't change much after awakening, but at the same time her suicidal tendencies helped Clare out. But at the same time, she seemed a bit more human, for letting Clare finish her off and encouraging her to kill Priscilla.

Hynavian

01-03-2008, 08:36 PM

Ah I understand why everyone was confused now. I created and posted the last 3 posts of the previous thread but they were somehow all on different topics...somehow. The all-hell-break-loose squad came in and raised many different topics. Hence, I was answering the various topics and they sort of didn't connect. I actually started off discussing the possibility of ABs co-existing with humans or ABs co-existing with Claymores etc but the squad sort of brought me off course...somehow by discussing about pets, the molecules of ABs, attack ABs regenerative capabilities and the sexual preferences of ABs.

For the current topic, I feel that the character before and after they awakened would have remained the same. However, the change would be in their way of thinking and viewing things. Also in the Databook (somewhere), it states that the warriors retain their character but will view things in a different light. Hence, if a warrior was honorable when he was a Claymore, he would also be an honorable AB when he awakened. However, the AB version would definitely define the term "honorable" differently.

Hence, coming to the point made by Noelle (the one on Miata's mental instability) Yes, though Miata is mental unstable and her awakening can either be a positive or negative (idea from 18fenrir) change. She can suddenly mature out of the blue or retain her child-like mentality. However, I will like to question whether madness can be categorized as a character trait? If it is, she will carry her "madness" character and become some sort of cranky AB. A mad version of an AB, that does something out of the box.

On to territorial acquisition, it's true that there will be a need to battle it out for only the strongest can survive. This is not only applicable to the ABs, but also to humans. I say that as long as there are humans, there will be greed and their will be bloodshed. The organization is in-charge of the East and there will be no way where the sneaky men in black would share their previous territories with Riful and gang. Isley also would not be able to co-exist with Riful without a fight for he eliminated Luciela when he wanted her lands. Seemingly, they are like parallels to the real world now, where the super powers try to rid one another...think China vs USA.

And SB, no, we should not ignore that jeffmas. We should continue to report him daily. :lol: I have reported him till the mods cleared one page of his rubbish from the previous Claymore thread, reducing the thread to 19 pages now.

Duath

01-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Jee wizz! A new thread in a day? Whats up with that?

Err, lets see, from what I can gather we are talking about whether or not Awakened Beings retain their old sense of self....

I would say that initially, as in just as a Claymore awakens all sense of their old "self" will be lost, except for the thoughts that they were thinking as they awakened. In other words, if a Claymore awakens in battle in order to defeat their enemy, the enemy will still be the target of the Claymore. However after this initial goal is passed, I think that the urges for guts and such are so different than a human's so they completely overwhelm the AB and make them temporarily lose sense of self.

Now after a while, as they are able to get their urges under control, this sense of self returns to them, and they are able to function normally, however, their sense of right and wrong is perverted. On an interesting note, I was curious as to what you all thought of the process of awakening. Does your form mold to the needs of the user, or is it one fixed form?

The reason I ask this is because when Clare partially awakened, she was constantly thinking that she needed to be faster, and the result was that she became much, much faster. This almost seemed to be too much of a coincidence to be true, so perhaps her body molded to the form that she desired most.

Thoughts?

18fenrir

01-03-2008, 11:38 PM

Hmm interesting idea. Let's see then..

Ophelia awakened into a snake like form. It's most notably similar to her skill the Rippling Sword. She didn't have much reason to awaken apart from healing from injuries that Irene gave her. But we can take it as she was trying to stay alive. So this awakening took the form of her skills.

oh a thought came to me. I don't think it's because of them getting their urges under control. It may be more of not losing control of the mind/sanity within the throes of the pain/pleasure of awakening. We can argue that Ophelia didn't have much "sanity" in the first place but i guess it was more of her perverse reasonings as a claymore that gave her her insane warrior issue.

As for clare's partial awakening, i doubt it was her thoughts of speed that produced her awakened form. She awakened her limbs to unleash their potential (speed/strength) to catch up so we can't say with confirmation that it was her thoughts that molded her form.

Other awakened beings, well.. we don't know much about them or the circumstances in which they awakened. Perhaps Rosemary? She became a monstrous figure that reminded me of the aliens of the popular Alien quad series. (side thought, ooh AvP2 has opened.. yet to watch T_T) I doubt there's much we could link her personality to that crab/insect like figure of hers.

Excel-Kleinwald

01-03-2008, 11:59 PM

Also with Clare's partial awakening her two arms were different forms instead of two identical arms, because one arm wasn't hers to begin with ;)

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 01:08 AM

Now after a while, as they are able to get their urges under control, this sense of self returns to them, and they are able to function normally, however, their sense of right and wrong is perverted. On an interesting note, I was curious as to what you all thought of the process of awakening. Does your form mold to the needs of the user, or is it one fixed form?

The reason I ask this is because when Clare partially awakened, she was constantly thinking that she needed to be faster, and the result was that she became much, much faster. This almost seemed to be too much of a coincidence to be true, so perhaps her body molded to the form that she desired most.

Thoughts?

Well maybe the stronger the claymore, the more of 'themselves' they retain while they awaken. Many of the Claymore that first awaken are mindless beasts. After a while they become less savage as well. I think it just means that the weaker the claymore that awakened the longer it will take for them to control themselves. Ophelia retained all her senses when she awakened. And the former #2 (rosemary I think?) remembered her hatred for Teresa even after awakening.

As for Clare....Awakened beings are usually faster then their claymore forms so that may be the reason she had such a speed boost when her limbs awakened...or more likely though, her mind kept telling her to go faster which forced her limbs to awaken so that she could go faster. They may or may not have been specifically molded to suit what she wanted. Which makes me wonder what Clares full awakened body looks like....giant scorpian?

And excel brought up an interesting point, since clare's arm belongs to Irene does that mean that her awakened state will have a different awakened arm?

Duath

01-04-2008, 01:30 AM

As for Clare....Awakened beings are usually faster then their claymore forms so that may be the reason she had such a speed boost when her limbs awakened...or more likely though, her mind kept telling her to go faster which forced her limbs to awaken so that she could go faster. They may or may not have been specifically molded to suit what she wanted. Which makes me wonder what Clares full awakened body looks like....giant scorpian?

And excel brought up an interesting point, since clare's arm belongs to Irene does that mean that her awakened state will have a different awakened arm?

We already saw that Clare's right arm has a different awakened form than her left. It is more diamond-like and far less crude than her right arm, though it seems equally as powerful, if not more powerful than her left one. The only reason I asked about molding is because it seems highly unlikely that she got exactly what she needed, which is a speed increase such that it surpasses Rigaldo, the former number 2.

There are many possible outcomes when awakening, not just super heightened speed, and when Rigaldo is known for his speed, it seems almost too perfect that Clare is also suited for speed. It is just as likely that she becomes a Duph-type creature, or even something like Rosemary/Agasa, which is why it was interesting that she became really fast.

Though I think her ability to defeat Rigaldo as an AB is a sign of Teresa's blood, because it seems that when she awakens she is fully able to use the power of Teresa.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 01:52 AM

Though I think her ability to defeat Rigaldo as an AB is a sign of Teresa's blood, because it seems that when she awakens she is fully able to use the power of Teresa.

That is likely because being able to defeat an awakened former #2 is almost impossible for a half-awakened #47....Actually it would mean that clare's current state had to have been stronger the Rigald when he was a claymore which I find highly unlikely.

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 04:05 AM

And SB, no, we should not ignore that jeffmas. We should continue to report him daily. :lol: I have reported him till the mods cleared one page of his rubbish from the previous Claymore thread, reducing the thread to 19 pages now.

hello everyone whats this thread is all about?

...I see what you mean Hyn :lol:

Eh, there's always me around to report >.<

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 04:25 AM

I already reported you.

Honestly, I'd say the way Clare actually managed to beat Rigardo was because of Teresa's blood in her. But at the same time, despite that, Clare was still #47, but ranks don't necessarily mean anything, just a rough estimate of the Claymores' overall abilities. Then again...at the beginning she was really pitiful, despite Teresa's blood in her. Later on she could sense yoki to the point of predicting movements, and later on she could use Quicksword and then Windcutter, but that's about it.

Bah, I'm just repeating stuff, in my own words >.<

nope

01-04-2008, 04:27 AM

i think clare was a lot better than most #47s if that makes any sense, i mean look at the current 47 -_-

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 04:30 AM

But that's only because the current 47 is Clarice, a failure. It's not really fair to compare her to even other #47s...

But regardless, Clare could get promoted to maybe #20 at best, but even then, how does a #20 that has awakened beat a #2 that's awakened?

Useless

01-04-2008, 04:43 AM

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 04:50 AM

Didn't Clare train to fight ABs? Her fighting power against them is greater than most Claymores...Isn't it?
Thats why Clare couldn't do a thing against Miria, but was able to fight that AB in whatever that mission was...:/
Not necessarily. But she does have the ability to sense the actions of Claymores and ABs, just like Teresa did (though on a smaller scale). Basically, the more yoki that was being used by AB's and Claymores, the easier it was for her to predict their actions. It also makes it easier to do this when she is suppressing her yoki. She couldn't stand up to Miria because they were both suppressing their yoki.

Why she did it is a mystery though. Probably because Teresa could do it, if you asked me.

The seven ghost from the past seven years must also have ranks on their own
i think they all lifted their warrior level

SILENTBUDDHIST your a very talkative BUDDHIST
...Dammit >.> There goes that "not so silent" pun again >.> It was kinda funny then, but now it annoys me...

TALKATIVEBUDDHIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And again, I'm reporting you.

Useless

01-04-2008, 04:59 AM

Just so you know, if it happens 5 times, it should be a temp ban...unless the rules changed. Tell the mods that the next time you report, cuz I've been in about 5 pages of these threads and I've seen more than 5 of his posts...

Anyways, I thought she trained to do that so she could beat Priscilla. So she trained like Teresa, obviously since she emulated her, but also to help her defeat ABs and eventually Priscilla.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 05:01 AM

i think clare was a lot better than most #47s if that makes any sense, i mean look at the current 47 -_-

well of course, back during clares time the #'s all meant something. Even miria says that now these days anything below #30 is just a filler so of course the current #47 can' compare....

TALKATIVEBUDDHIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.......didn't you also make fun of prezzys sig? why must you insult the thread members? >.>
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crap crap crap, I must do HW

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 05:04 AM

This is my second time reporting him, but I'll alert Greg. I was considering asking him about when the RP mod position closes anyways...

That makes sense though. As Priscilla is Teresa's murderer, Clare would probably want to kill her in Teresa's name, so she would train like Teresa did. The problem: Priscilla, while she was awakening, was releasing so much yoki that even Teresa couldn't predict what she would do at that time.

Useless

01-04-2008, 05:06 AM

Yea....Clare needs to surpass her, which doesn't seem likely. She needs to do that, or gain other skills. Like Irene(I hope its Irene...I've forgotten so many names.) said, Teresa is worse than most in her abilities. Her strength isn't superior, her speed isn't either. She just has the ability to predict movements, and then counter.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 05:21 AM

Well when you think about it, Teresa must also be quite a fast sword user otherwise she wouldn't be able to block all of Irenes hits....even if she could predict them, she needs the speed to react

Useless

01-04-2008, 05:23 AM

Well, her skills are still well rounded. Thats why she was #1. Its just the other high ranking Claymore had an aspect of fighting that they were good at.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 05:24 AM

Teresa was probably the most powerful #1 in history of #1's....Rosemary was former #1 and Teresa beat her awakened form with 10% yoki release.....

what am I doing....

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 05:27 AM

And with that said, Teresa had stronger aspects in the other areas than what another Claymore focused on. Teresa may have been not as agile as Noel, but her strength and other aspects that didn't concern agility were most likely better than Noel's.

...Blah, I'm repeating myself again, I think :p

And I'm off. Gonna play a game I rented...

Useless

01-04-2008, 05:28 AM

Not your homework.

Thats what I was getting at though....Teresa's main ability was the ability to predict enemy attacks and successfully counter them. That wouldn't help much against enemies that were much stronger and faster than her, so she needed other powerful skills to fight them, like being fast and strong. The other high ranked Claymore had skills that were better than Teresa, but Teresa was good in everything, just not superb in anything.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 05:41 AM

Uh, yeah she kind of is....She is a speed demon who's sword strikes are faster then "flash sword" irenes (I think that was her nick name). And she had a huge amount of yoki stored in her that she never used.

Useless

01-04-2008, 05:43 AM

So Irene was lying(or just wrong...) when she said that they had better skills than her?
I don't think she is stronger, more agile, faster, etc than every Claymore, just better rounded with strong points in every area, rather than having strengths and weaknesses.

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 06:35 AM

Useless

01-04-2008, 06:36 AM

Obviously. I think you might have missed my point, or I'm missing yours. What I meant was, Teresa wasn't better than them in any single aspect of combat except for her ability to predict their moves through sensing their youki.

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 06:52 AM

Useless

01-04-2008, 08:34 AM

Wrong. Her youki was better than each of them by far and that's a considerable factor.
Unless I'm mistaken, which I probably am, she didn't use her youki to fight. So that in itself didn't make a huge impact on her fight, she just relied on her overall combat ability.

Sorry for insulting anyone
Why DONT YOU JUST IGNORE ME

Why was this necessary to post?
They obviously want you to go away. I do too and I've been here for about 6 pages of posts.

Hynavian

01-04-2008, 08:43 AM

...I see what you mean Hyn :lol:

Eh, there's always me around to report >.<sorry ill go report myselfI already reported you.
You take the night shift (which is early morning for me) while I take the afternoon shift (which is midnight for you), and let's work together to report all his spams. If they contribute to the Claymore discussions, we keep quiet, if they don't, we report them. I saw the ones where he mocked your nick and I find them totally mean.
Just so you know, if it happens 5 times, it should be a temp ban...unless the rules changed. Tell the mods that the next time you report, cuz I've been in about 5 pages of these threads and I've seen more than 5 of his posts...This is my second time reporting him, but I'll alert Greg. I was considering asking him about when the RP mod position closes anyways...
I have reported him many times already.I have lodged a complain in the private area and will update you guys on it.

Didn't Clare train to fight ABs? Her fighting power against them is greater than most Claymores...Isn't it?
Thats why Clare couldn't do a thing against Miria, but was able to fight that AB in whatever that mission was...:/
Clare's Yoki reading skills were great and I think they do work on ABs. However, when faced with an overwhelming amount of Yoki (colossal Yoki), her skills might not come into use. Take for example the part where Teresa battled a hay-wire 70%+ Prisiclla. Teresa did mention that her Yoki was so overwhelming that she could not read the exact flow.
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I find that Useless and TZ brought up a very interesting point with regards to Teresa. True, Irene did mention that the 3 sent to purge her were better in their respective areas. Teresa was #1 not because she was better in those respective areas but because of her Yoki reading abilities.

One of my theories would be Irene, had once again, underestimated Teresa. She did underestimate her twice, the first where all four of the team were defeated in town. Hence, proving her wrong that the four of them were more than enough to handle Teresa. The 2nd where Teresa only used 10% to repel Priscilla's insane Yoki powers. Hence, Irene underestimated Teresa's Yoki powers. If there's a 3rd, I wouldn't be surprised.

Another of my theory would be where we have misunderstood Irene's intentions. There's a difference between skills and powers. Using flash sword would have meant a speed boast in her attacks, but that does not mean that Irene is that fast overall. Miria is fast when she used her mirages, she does not have lighting-like walking Claymore speed. She can always mirage to the next town but well...you get what I mean. Hence, what Irene could have referred to would be that the 3 of them (Noel, Irene and Sophia) would have beat Teresa in the different areas if they're to pit individually.

TZ raised a good loophole in the manga where Teresa was able to match up to Irene's flash sword in the inn. If Irene flash sword was that fast, how did Teresa escape uninjured? In Databook 1, (*a sigh of relief, for I have translated for you all*) it stats that Teresa's Yoki reading abilities were so good that she could even read the moves of the flash sword. Now, here's the catch, if Teresa could read it, that does not mean that she could match it. Think helpless Clare against Ophelia's ripping sword. I somehow feel that Irene then was not really trying very hard to purge Teresa somehow. She held back and even sat around with the others while watching Priscilla fight. Frankly, if one is out to kill someone, the assassin should not be sitting around.

Useless

01-04-2008, 08:48 AM

I think that Irene, while just watching the 2 fight, wanted to see the fight more than seeing Teresa defeated. Priscilla was the one that would surpass Teresa, so Irene may have wanted to see the battle between the two. However, that sounds too cliché to be in Claymore, so you may be right. Irene may have had a wish to keep Teresa alive.

In the instance where Teresa matched Irene's sword...I think that its possible that Teresa could have been able to do what Irene could do, just not to the same extent. So Teresa could have been able to use the Flash Sword as well. This sounds highly unlikely, even though I said I "think" this happened, its just a way to work some sense into the loophole...:/

Noelle

01-04-2008, 09:09 AM

-ignores spam-

I think Teresa had the base stats required for Quicksword. But there is a reason why she didn't use it - she absolutely didn't like to release Yoki, and Quicksword is the complete release of Yoki powers in one arm.

That raises another issue, Teresa told Clare at one point in time, "I don't tell lies because I don't have to." Yet she lied to the organization about her Yoki power all the time, and didn't release it often.

As for Clare's Yoki reading skills, she was able to read a near-colossal Yoki such as Rigald's, so I won't underestimate it just yet. She hasn't been pitted against insanely strong characters such as Priscilla or Miata, so we won't know if her Yoki-reading is as good as Teresa's or slightly lower.

Someone mentioned Clare was able to tap Teresa's Yoki upon the 3/4 Awakening in Pieta, and I somewhat agree with that.

Clare is technically 1/4 Yoma, 3/4 human, an unknown experiment. In the first few episodes she may have been tapping only her own. But we can see that through half-Awakening she can exceed her limits and return more than once; that may be because of her 3/4 human quirk. I think that Clare's Yoki is actually really 1/2 of a normal Claymore's Yoki, but once she exceeds her own, she moves on to the pool of Yoki within Teresa. So she has two Yoki flows, which explains the distinct differences sensed by others [i.e: Miria saying she felt the presence of the strongest in front of her, and Priscilla stating there were two strong lights in Pieta before all disappeared: I personally believe the two strong lights refer to Miria and Clare].

Useless

01-04-2008, 09:17 AM

If what you assume is true, about the separate youki flows within Clare, then wouldn't it be strange, yet plausible, to assume that the 2 lights were Clare and Teresa? Or am I just more insane than I think? While she was fighting, she would be tapping into her youki, and since she awakened, then she would use Teresa's youki as well if your theory turns out to be true.

Clare might have been able to read Rigaldo's movements, but assuming that at her current level that she'd be able to read Priscilla is a little far fetched. The thing that made Teresa stand out as the strongest was her ability to do so, and thinking that Clare would be able to surpass her at this point in the manga is highly, highly unlikely. Though I doubt you were insinuating that she had surpassed her....

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 10:22 AM

Unless I'm mistaken, which I probably am, she didn't use her youki to fight. So that in itself didn't make a huge impact on her fight, she just relied on her overall combat ability.

Really? Compare Irene with no youki and Teressa with no youki. The difference of youki is the factor.

One of my theories would be Irene, had once again, underestimated Teresa. She did underestimate her twice, the first where all four of the team were defeated in town. Hence, proving her wrong that the four of them were more than enough to handle Teresa. The 2nd where Teresa only used 10% to repel Priscilla's insane Yoki powers. Hence, Irene underestimated Teresa's Yoki powers. If there's a 3rd, I wouldn't be surprised.

Yet my point again. No use in arguing over this. You were clearly wrong from the begining.

Hynavian

01-04-2008, 10:48 AM

Sorry for insulting anyone
Why DONT YOU JUST IGNORE ME
I just reported you again.

That raises another issue, Teresa told Clare at one point in time, "I don't tell lies because I don't have to." Yet she lied to the organization about her Yoki power all the time, and didn't release it often.
Oh yes, one thing for sure, Teresa lied to the organization. As seen in Claymore Extra Scene 1, she clearly lied to Orsay about her battle with Rosemary.

However, Teresa might not have always lie for I feel that the organization might not have hit the nail in the spot with her. For example, she knew that warrior A killed warrior B. However, if the organization did not ask her about it, why should she bother to mention it? Another would be the way the organization asked something, imagine Orsay saying "Warrior B died". It became a statement to Teresa and she did not need to follow up to it. Saves her all the trouble of narrating the days' events.

Someone mentioned Clare was able to tap Teresa's Yoki upon the 3/4 Awakening in Pieta, and I somewhat agree with that.
With regards to Teresa parts being a part of Clare, I can understand that. Think genes as Clare is what she is now partly due to Teresa's genes. However, I don't really understand the part on Irene's hand on Clare. Imagine you have a transplant, you get a kidney. The kidney would slowly become part of you, your body can reject it if it doesn't become part of you. Hence, shouldn't Irene's hand become totally part of Clare, with her blood and powers?

Ack...I think that I have failed to bring my point across here.

Clare is technically 1/4 Yoma, 3/4 human, an unknown experiment. In the first few episodes she may have been tapping only her own. But we can see that through half-Awakening she can exceed her limits and return more than once; that may be because of her 3/4 human quirk. I think that Clare's Yoki is actually really 1/2 of a normal Claymore's Yoki, but once she exceeds her own, she moves on to the pool of Yoki within Teresa. So she has two Yoki flows, which explains the distinct differences sensed by others [i.e: Miria saying she felt the presence of the strongest in front of her, and Priscilla stating there were two strong lights in Pieta before all disappeared: I personally believe the two strong lights refer to Miria and Clare].
If what you assume is true, about the separate youki flows within Clare, then wouldn't it be strange, yet plausible, to assume that the 2 lights were Clare and Teresa? Or am I just more insane than I think? While she was fighting, she would be tapping into her youki, and since she awakened, then she would use Teresa's youki as well if your theory turns out to be true.
Great point! I never thought that there might be a possibility that the two lights would have meant Teresa-Clare. I always thought that it was Clare and Miria, for they were the stronger warriors.

Yet my point again. No use in arguing over this. You were clearly wrong from the begining.
Macen what's the meaning of this? I wasn't arguing, I was providing my theory and I have provided a few, so that we all have more options instead of a narrow minded POV. I did not state that that particular theory was 100% right or something. I even bothered to type that lengthy paragraph to share what I though.

I don't get what you're trying to tell me buddy. :o

Useless

01-04-2008, 11:10 AM

Really? Compare Irene with no youki and Teressa with no youki. The difference of youki is the factor.

Yet my point again. No use in arguing over this. You were clearly wrong from the begining.

This was directed at me, not you "prezzy", if that is your strange nickname...>.>

Anyways, I guess my observation skills aren't up to par...>.>" My main point was just that Teresa's combat abilities weren't acutely trained, so she was inferior to other Claymore in some aspects.

Noelle

01-04-2008, 11:16 AM

With regards to Teresa parts being a part of Clare, I can understand that. Think genes as Clare is what she is now partly due to Teresa's genes.
I see reason in that, but we can't forget that Clare appeared to have tapped into Teresa's consciousness as shown in the dream she had in the Slashers Arc. There is no other mention of dreaming so far in the manga, and I think the author definitely didn't draw that for fun. It was meant to show something, to show that Clare had tapped into Teresa's consciousness.

Yoki is tied to the soul, however strongly or however weakly, we all agree it's somehow tied to the mind/heart/soul. When Clare was infused with Teresa's flesh and blood, she may have also taken a part of Teresa's soul. Don't forget that the part she was holding when she asked Rubel to infuse her with Teresa was the head - in other words, the brain. Unless the anime is right when they show Clare standing at the place where Teresa died with Rubel, we can assume only the head was infused into her.

I think it's more than just genes; Teresa seems to exist within Clare, manifested only by her Yoki flow and occasionally by accident [when Miria felt the presence of the strongest before her]. But the small part of Teresa's consciousness in Clare may be just able to influence her by dreams, and is just that: an influence. Note that the dream happened after Clare half-Awakened in Rabona, that makes for interesting speculation on Awakening.

Half-Awakened Claymores experience an increase in the quality of their Yoki and can exceed their limits again. Perhaps Clare was at first incompatible with Teresa's flesh and blood, which explains her low stats in the databook. But after Clare nearly Awakened in Rabona [i.e: her mind nearly fused fully with the Yoma side], she returned, [i]after crossing her limits. And this enables her to cross her limits again.

I think this half-Awakening is actually a link. At first, the Claymore has only a tiny link with the Yoma side. She just taps it, and if she exceeds, her mind fuses with that of the Yoma side. But when a Claymore defies the general logic and returns after her mind is defined as fusing to the Yoma mind [look at it another way: the link is expanding to enable both minds to connect], hence inducing Awakening, it is plausible that this 'link' is strengthened [or remains permanently expanded by a little] between the Yoma and human sections.

Clare was able to tap into Teresa's consciousness [by dreaming], and later into her Yoki [by the 3/4 Awakening], because of this strengthened 'link' left behind by her half-Awakening. Repeated exceeding of the limit might continue strengthening this link or cause it to keep expanding, hence Miria's fear that they might be Awakening .

However, I don't really understand the part on Irene's hand on Clare. Imagine you have a transplant, you get a kidney. The kidney would slowly become part of you, your body can reject it if it doesn't become part of you. Hence, shouldn't Irene's hand become totally part of Clare, with her blood and powers?
Irene's hand was used to moving quickly and the release of 100% Yoki powers. Also, the arm when cut off probably contained some form of Yoki from Irene [hence the difference in the arm form when Clare pulled off her 3/4 Awakening].

That is the difference between Clare's and Irene's arm. And like a transplant, the kidney will [i]slowly become a part of you, and this is shown when Clare first fights Ophelia. The body rejects her arm at first, but later in Pieta, Clare Awakens Irene's right arm, indicating the body has accepted Irene's arm. After Clare's 3/4 Awakening, where her Yoki was the only flow that flowed through Irene's arm and what little of Irene's Yoki in her arm fused with Clare's Yoki [or so I believe], I conclude that after her Awakening, Irene's arm then became fully Clare's, enabling her to learn Windcutter later as well.

chezkimo

01-04-2008, 12:56 PM

yep, Noelle, you hit the nail on the spot bout irene's arm. the yoma flesh and blood that was in that arm would still remain there, including the yoki. That's also why irene's arm was different when claere awakened her limbs, because it's different yoki flesh.

I prersonally like clare's awakened arm. Like loads of metalic diamonds linked together. if i had to think of what clare's fully awakened form is like, i'd say it would probably turn out like Alicia's. Remeber her form. She had the same legs as clare when clare awakened her legs.

She'd probably be the same, metalic-like all over her body. small for an awakened being but very fast and sharp (arms not senses lol)

And about tereasa, i thought that she was exceedingly strong in all aspects. it's just that in one of those aspects, each of the other top 5 were just alittle bit better. And when teresa was fighting Irene in the inn, i don't think she FULLY matched the quick sword, but because she could read Irene's yoki flow and had good speed, she was able to block all of her strikes.

oh yh, was teresa offensive or defensive? as we saw with galatea someone could be defensive but still have loads of strength.

And i know this question really dosn't have much relevance but someone said that because of the process that involves humans being turnt into claymiores, and probably any old yoma being picked that a claymores abilities might all depend on the claymore themselves.

So, i wander how clare might of turnt out if she went to the org but didn't take in teresa's flash and blood but was made into a claymore the usual way? would she have turnt out stronger, better? in the top 5 maybe? (coz she deserves it!)

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 01:20 PM

This was directed at me, not you "prezzy", if that is your strange nickname...>.>

Anyways, I guess my observation skills aren't up to par...>.>" My main point was just that Teresa's combat abilities weren't acutely trained, so she was inferior to other Claymore in some aspects.

It's kind of hard to say so when youki influences all abilities.

ELUNE

01-04-2008, 02:43 PM

Hi! I'm back! Can't believe you all wrote so much! Sorry for missing for a long time! I just read this thread and my point:
1) I agree:this "jeffmas" guy annoys me aswell! ( if he spams all the time...that is... )

2)About "Teresa / Clare" theorie: I don't think that Clare has two separate Yoki-s; she has only Teresa's and that is probably what other Claymores are sensing, for example when Miria first saw Clare( she felt like the strongest one was before her ) ( I'm probably reapeating someone else's thoughts but i can't remember who's ) and in the anime Prissy felt not Clare's but Teresa's Yoki and that disturbed and frightened her; and because of that, all the time she thought that Clare is acctually Teresa and fought her .( but that's just the anime )
Very interesting thoughts, though: about the lights Prissy was talking about; I personally never thought of it before.

3) I think Teresa is very good in all stats but excells in reading yoki; which I cannot say is better than the other abillities, but gives her a great advantage before the other claymores.
I also think that she hasn't reached the same level of Quicksword as Irene's but managed to counter her sword by reading the flow of her Yoki and answering to it ( cuz she still is pretty fast )

And the theorie of how Teresas special abillity loses a bit of her value while countering an enourmous yoki is mainly true ( cuz we can see that when batteling with Prissy she couldn't read all of her movements, at least not so quickly as before ); ( and as example Galatea(btw. she is so awsome), who is not just reading yoki but in some way controlling it, has problems when Duff respondes with a strong will and a huge yoki)

That's about it...
Sorry for reapeating some of your thoughts!
And...all those theories don't have to be perfectly true, it is only my opinion!

18fenrir

01-04-2008, 04:19 PM

Oh My God. 5 Pages in one Day?! And it's not really 1 full day either >.< more like 12 hours. :p

Gahh... *read through 5 pages.. *

Regard Clare's abilities. Well, i'd like to refute slightly on her tapping on Teresa's strength. I doubt so considering it isn't even remotely mentioned.. But if there's a possibility than that would be a good explanation. But then that would not explain why she hasn't tapped into that ability in the life-threatening situation during her graduation test or the slightly more powerful yoma at Rabona.

But i think she progressed in yoki strength due to the partial awakening. That very first near-awakening at Rabona probably would have brought her yoki levels strong enough to rival the ranks from late 10ish to 20ish. Then during and also after the Slasher's arc, her developing yoki reading skills would have furthered her a good 10ish rank. (maybe 11-15) I believe that was what Riful meant when she said to reap the benefits later. Then finally at Pieta, the partial awakening (as in awakening of limbs) would have furthered her strength to rival that of the top 10 or even 5 would explain Rigardo's defeat ^_^that's my theory of course. What do ya think?

Regarding Teresa, well without doubt, Flash Sword is the fastest skill for sword swings. But i think considerably Teresa actually matched that with less than 10% yoki (or perhaps no) release, proves that in her reading she matches the speed but for countering, i think it's more of her sword technique coming into play. You don't have to parry as fast as your opponent attacks in order to block them.

Or perhaps at that time, Irene was like Clare in using the flash sword. Too much wasted movements. But i slightly doubt so even though we can say that "THAT" un-mastered Flash sword was actually strong enough to destroy an Awakened Ophelia. (don't think that Ophelia was going soft on her, actually Clare pretty much diced Ophelia's hands when she tried to drown Clare) And now refuting my own theory, Irene didn't practise much in her exile. She couldn't practise! Had to supress yoki :p Ohhh i don't know it's giving me a headache..

(Out of context: Drat.. SB has already removed the siggy with Irene kicking Ophelia's butt with the Flash Sword :p that makes me smile everytime i look at it.. chibis are kawaii!)

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 04:57 PM

You take the night shift (which is early morning for me) while I take the afternoon shift (which is midnight for you), and let's work together to report all his spams. If they contribute to the Claymore discussions, we keep quiet, if they don't, we report them. I saw the ones where he mocked your nick and I find them totally mean.
Not so much as mean, but it annoys me to no end. I still haven't heard back from Greg though.
Hi! I'm back! Can't believe you all wrote so much! Sorry for missing for a long time! I just read this thread and my point:
1) I agree:this "jeffmas" guy annoys me aswell! ( if he spams all the time...that is... )

2)About "Teresa / Clare" theorie: I don't think that Clare has two separate Yoki-s; she has only Teresa's and that is probably what other Claymores are sensing, for example when Miria first saw Clare( she felt like the strongest one was before her ) ( I'm probably reapeating someone else's thoughts but i can't remember who's ) and in the anime Prissy felt not Clare's but Teresa's Yoki and that disturbed and frightened her; and because of that, all the time she thought that Clare is acctually Teresa and fought her .( but that's just the anime )
Very interesting thoughts, though: about the lights Prissy was talking about; I personally never thought of it before.

3) I think Teresa is very good in all stats but excells in reading yoki; which I cannot say is better than the other abillities, but gives her a great advantage before the other claymores.
I also think that she hasn't reached the same level of Quicksword as Irene's but managed to counter her sword by reading the flow of her Yoki and answering to it ( cuz she still is pretty fast )

And the theorie of how Teresas special abillity loses a bit of her value while countering an enourmous yoki is mainly true ( cuz we can see that when batteling with Prissy she couldn't read all of her movements, at least not so quickly as before ); ( and as example Galatea(btw. she is so awsome), who is not just reading yoki but in some way controlling it, has problems when Duff respondes with a strong will and a huge yoki)

That's about it...
Sorry for reapeating some of your thoughts!
And...all those theories don't have to be perfectly true, it is only my opinion!
That, and a warrior that suppresses her yoki is harder to counter too. So technically, it's only useful for enemies that are in the gray area, so to speak. If those that don't release yoki (aka suppress it) are in the white area, and those who release a colossal amount of it are in the black, both areas in which yoki sensing and predicting the moves would not be useful, then anything in between would obviously be in the gray.
(Out of context: Drat.. SB has already removed the siggy with Irene kicking Ophelia's butt with the Flash Sword :p that makes me smile everytime i look at it.. chibis are kawaii!)
I'll give it to you then, via PM :p It's not really the thing to say in 1MMCM, but I'm in sort of a Mushishi mood, so to speak >.<

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 05:54 PM

Guys imagine an all around D stats Claymore but with an A class youki and another one with A stats and a D class youki (youki reading abilities 0 for both of them). In a battle one on one which one would win and why? (write down your opinion why)

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 06:03 PM

...That's a tough choice :p I think I'll go with the one with D-Class stats, A-Class yoki, because honestly that reminds me of Priscilla, a novice when she certified but had a colossal amount of yoki, not in sensing but the overall yoki abilities. But that's considering this warrior awakens >.<

If it were a fair fight with no awakening, I'd say the one with A-stats for the overall better abilities. If it were an awakened battle, I'd say the one with D-Stats, for her A-Class yoki. So it kind of depends how they are fighting, if they are awakened or not.

Hynavian

01-04-2008, 07:15 PM

This was directed at me, not you "prezzy", if that is your strange nickname...>.>
chezkimo gave me the title prezzy because (I suspect) that he cannot spell my username correctly.

Yoki is tied to the soul, however strongly or however weakly, we all agree it's somehow tied to the mind/heart/soul. When Clare was infused with Teresa's flesh and blood, she may have also taken a part of Teresa's soul. Don't forget that the part she was holding when she asked Rubel to infuse her with Teresa was the head - in other words, the brain. Unless the anime is right when they show Clare standing at the place where Teresa died with Rubel, we can assume only the head was infused into her.
Yes, now I know why you came up with that previous topic on Yoki linked to heart, soul and mind. You specialize in this area of discussions right. :p

I do find your views and theories on 1/2 awakening enlightening but I somehow couldn't grasp the point on consciousness and soul for they're intangible stuff to me, and I'll need more time to understand those as compared to discussions on skills etc, where I can bring out facts to substantiate and convince myself.

PS: Now you know what topics I choose to avoid in the dabate forum and what are the topics that I choose not to do when it comes to my English essays (religions, gods, morals, ethics, etc >.<").

I think it's more than just genes; Teresa seems to exist within Clare, manifested only by her Yoki flow and occasionally by accident [when Miria felt the presence of the strongest before her]. But the small part of Teresa's consciousness in Clare may be just able to influence her by dreams, and is just that: an influence. Note that the dream happened after Clare half-Awakened in Rabona, that makes for interesting speculation on Awakening.
Clare is definitely not linked only physically (skills and body), but also emotionally. Teresa brought her back from the abyss and gave her hope, sadly, she also shaped her future. Where she choose to persecute Priscilla so as to revenge Teresa's death.

I'm not really sure what the "consciousness" thing is about for I'm not able to grasp it. I view Irene's encounter with Clare in a much simpler way instead. She's able to recognize Clare because Clare has Teresa (literally) in her. Irene would have recognized Teresa's Yoki since they knew each other.

Half-Awakened Claymores experience an increase in the quality of their Yoki and can exceed their limits again. Perhaps Clare was at first incompatible with Teresa's flesh and blood, which explains her low stats in the databook. But after Clare nearly Awakened in Rabona [i.e: her mind nearly fused fully with the Yoma side], she returned, [i]after crossing her limits. And this enables her to cross her limits again.

I think this half-Awakening is actually a link. At first, the Claymore has only a tiny link with the Yoma side. She just taps it, and if she exceeds, her mind fuses with that of the Yoma side. But when a Claymore defies the general logic and returns after her mind is defined as fusing to the Yoma mind [look at it another way: the link is expanding to enable both minds to connect], hence inducing Awakening, it is plausible that this 'link' is strengthened [or remains permanently expanded by a little] between the Yoma and human sections.

Clare was able to tap into Teresa's consciousness [by dreaming], and later into her Yoki [by the 3/4 Awakening], because of this strengthened 'link' left behind by her half-Awakening. Repeated exceeding of the limit might continue strengthening this link or cause it to keep expanding, hence Miria's fear that they might be Awakening .
I'm breaking down! Noelle's post is really enlightening but the concepts are hard to grasp for me. I'll try my best to comment and counter them. Maybe you might come up with more theories for the heart, soul, mind and Yoki theories of yours.

For the one on the half awakening, if what you say is true, shouldn't the warriors be closer to Yomas now since they have half-awakened? Like probably their behavior wise or eating habits? Here's something interesting, Miria did mention that they have increased appetites after 1/2 awakening, thus, they most probably eat more food as compared to the other Claymores. So are we seeing voracious Claymores now? :lol: They're the extreme representatives of what a Claymore should not be. (ABs have twisted logics//semi-awakened Claymore also have twisted logic from the organization's POV)
"The org only wants abiding Claymores, all who disorders are rebels. Those who rebels to the extremes are Voracious Claymores!"
Org POV (Why they are voracious Claymores!)
1) Miria sneaks around and pokes into matters (Undesirable behavior to the extreme: busybody)
2) Helen picks a fight with everyone (Undesirable behavior for she should be fighting Yomas instead of humans or comrades)
3) Deneve experiments with her body limits (Undesirable behavior for warriors should obey and not have the spirit of experimentation)
4) Clare falls in love (Undesirable behavior of a warrior who's suppose to be a killing machine)

Sorry, can't contribute much to your theories Noelle. Hence, I came up with a joke above.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/4fd9f2d3.gif

For the one on Clare dreaming about Teresa, I simply view it as Clare being over emotional to the extent that she subconsciously dreams of Teresa even while she's sleeping. Clare's aim in life revolves around slaying Priscilla and she constantly seeks to avenge Teresa. Hence, it wouldn't be a surprise that she goes to the extent where she dreams of her. Also in the Slayers Arc where Clare slept in the rain for one whole night after Miria defeated her, the recurrence of Teresa is probably something that Clare wanted. Teresa, being the lighthouse that guided Clare out from darkness, appeared in Clare's dreams probably because it was Clare who wanted it. She longs for Teresa's encouragement to the extent where she dreams about it.

Now, give me some time...I'll get it. Hmm....kids nowadays...hard to figure...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/a03cbf1e.gif

That is the difference between Clare's and Irene's arm. And like a transplant, the kidney will [i]slowly become a part of you, and this is shown when Clare first fights Ophelia. The body rejects her arm at first, but later in Pieta, Clare Awakens Irene's right arm, indicating the body has accepted Irene's arm. After Clare's 3/4 Awakening, where her Yoki was the only flow that flowed through Irene's arm and what little of Irene's Yoki in her arm fused with Clare's Yoki [or so I believe], I conclude that after her Awakening, Irene's arm then became fully Clare's, enabling her to learn Windcutter later as well.
Ah so you mean that the right arm now is a combination of both Clare's and Irene's Yoki? Hmmm...Let me think....Yes fusion does seems possible with a 3/4 awakening. However, we need to see more Clare in action to prove this point. I remembered that the AB in Pieta, the one that was shocked with Clare's right arm Yoki power, did mention that her right arm Yoki power was on a different level. However, he also tried to rise both Clare and Deneve Yoki, seemingly pushed them over their limits. However, they did not awaken for Deneve and Clare were special cases. If a 1/2 awakening (semi-awakening) could not fuse Irene's Yoki with Clare's, will a 3/4 awakening make such a big difference? I don't think so unless the mangaka indicates it in the upcoming chapter.

oh yh, was teresa offensive or defensive? as we saw with galatea someone could be defensive but still have loads of strength.
My guess is that Teresa is offensive based warrior. Ah we haven't seen her regenerating anything so far, probably because she didn't need to. She received a 1 hit KO and we know that even defensive based warriors can't regenerate a head to save themselves.

So, i wander how clare might of turnt out if she went to the org but didn't take in teresa's flash and blood but was made into a claymore the usual way? would she have turnt out stronger, better? in the top 5 maybe? (coz she deserves it!)
This is a tough speculation. It also depends on the abilities she acquires and who she's with. If Clare has Irene as her teacher, she'll make it to top 10 with Ms. Flora.

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 07:23 PM

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 07:26 PM

Ah, by fair fight I meant hardly any yoki usage. But if they were both releasing a lot of yoki, in your case 80%, then yes, I would go for the one with D-Class stats.

Hynavian

01-04-2008, 07:40 PM

Hi all mods and admins of OM,

Currently, the Claymore Thread is facing some troubles with the below member, username: jeffmas
http://forum.onemanga.com/member.php?u=7573

We're aware that spammers come and go and we do close an eye and not bite on newcomers who do not contribute much. However, jeffmas has been spamming and double posting, or should I say, multiple posting, for the past 3 days.

The posts that he makes are usually one liners and to catch our attention, he multi-posts. If they are not one-liners, it'll usually be nonsensical posts something like the below:
_________
HAHAHA
"content that no ones understands"
HAHAHA
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of Not only that, he has been insulting the members in the Claymore threads. He mocked my signature and banner and he even mocked SilentBuddhist's username recently. He's good in mocking others by using the combination of Caps Lock to emphasize them. Furthermore, his non contributive posts did stir some emotions among the Claymore fans but we did manage to cool everyone down and to keep ourselves on the leash for fear of starting a heated attack on him.

Some of the members and I have been reporting him continuously for a few days in the running and it's becoming rather tiring. I'm sure that many had witnessed his spamming and insulting and I can bring up the names of witnesses when needed too.

Hence, I wonder whether the mods can have a talk with him or do something about this particular member? Thank you all for your kind attention. :p

Regards,
Hynavian

I banned him for a week. Next time he's gone forever.

Thank you for looking into it Greg. :p

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 07:46 PM

...That'll show him >.<

Anyhow, his posts are all gone, so we can rest easy for awhile. You truly are the best, Prezzy and Greg *glomps*

MacenKrace

01-04-2008, 08:03 PM

...That'll show him >.<

Anyhow, his posts are all gone, so we can rest easy for awhile. You truly are the best, Prezzy and Greg *glomps*

Justice has been served. At least now it's better.

BTW SB how much youki do you think the A classed youki claymore must release in order to match the other's stats?

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 08:07 PM

I'd say a lot. Probably over 80%, if the D-Class warrior has released over 80%. But if the D-Class warrior was releasing 30% yoki, I'd say the A-Class warrior would have to release a little more than that. I can't say for sure, but I think somewhere in that area, probably more.

chezkimo

01-04-2008, 08:40 PM

Lol. i would feel sorry for that spammer but he kinda had it coming. i mean this is a forum for discussing, not randomly typing random. If you want that, go to the shout box!

About the D stat claymore VS A stat claymore. i'm not entirely sure of the D stat claymore winning. Because if the A stat one has D yoki, they can steal release yoki, thus enhancing thier already strong abilities just alittle bit more. The D stat claymore would be enhancing her low abilities greatly. so the D stat's yoki makes up for her low abilities and the A stat's natural abilities make up for her lack of yoki.

Conclusion: They'd be generally even matched.

Oh, by the way, just read the Teresa chapters again. and although people are undecided if priscilla intended to kill teresa or if it was because she was almost to the point of awakening. When i read it, i realised, priscilla inteneded to kill her before awakening. I know because of the way she hesistated to reply when teresa said she had to kill her and also she clutched her sword for about 1 or 2 seconds before she striked. Man! that just makes me that much more angry at her. yeah, just thought i'd tell you about it.

oh by the way, say if someone had galatea's skill of yoki control but like 100 times better, d'you think they'd be able to do something thaty parralels soul-link?

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 09:13 PM

...That'll show him >.<

Anyhow, his posts are all gone, so we can rest easy for awhile. You truly are the best, Prezzy and Greg *glomps*

Thanks prezzy, hopefully jeffmas isn't one of those people who will go and make another account for the sake of irratating us again >.>......

Oh, by the way, just read the Teresa chapters again. and although people are undecided if priscilla intended to kill teresa or if it was because she was almost to the point of awakening. When i read it, i realised, priscilla inteneded to kill her before awakening. I know because of the way she hesistated to reply when teresa said she had to kill her and also she clutched her sword for about 1 or 2 seconds before she striked. Man! that just makes me that much more angry at her. yeah, just thought i'd tell you about it.

oh by the way, say if someone had galatea's skill of yoki control but like 100 times better, d'you think they'd be able to do something thaty parralels soul-link?

Yeah I noticed that in the beginning. I recently reread the Teresa Chapters and I saw how she grabbed her claymore when Teresa was about to take her head. Well prisscilla could have been planning to make her let her guard down then kill her unsuspectingly but initially I thought that she honestly wanted Teresa to kill her but lost control of her arm before then

as for the Galatea thing....yea most likely if anyone was even capable of having 100x better yoki skill then Galatea they would most likely be able to do the soul-link thing even if they werent twins. Cause galatea as she is can already pull people back from the point of awakening as shown when clare was releasing too much. With 100x that power, someone should be able to pull them back from a full awakening and control their bodys in their awakened form. Remember that AB in the north that could control the claymores to fight each other? It would kind of be like that

Useless

01-04-2008, 09:35 PM

If a soul link like that is possible, if a Claymore had that much youki control, could they cause a regression from AB back to Claymore? When the Claymore come back from awakening, like how Clare did in Rabona, that is caused by controlling their youki. So, using that method, could a Claymore 'fix' ABs?

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 09:39 PM

I don't know, but maybe. Then again, as Hyn said, when Claymores awaken, they become a different species altogether. But at the same time, I think of Jean, whose body had awakened, but somehow Clare was able to pull her back. It could be possible both the body AND the mind need to awaken. Maybe it is possible, but I'm not 100% sure.

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 10:14 PM

Okay, 1MMCM members, the OMCB polls are up, and Teresa is in for her second round. You know the drill :lol:

RhyssaFireheart

01-04-2008, 10:46 PM

Tensa Zangetsu

01-04-2008, 10:48 PM

greg perhaps? lol, mod shark

so yeah...I would vote for Teresa but I wanted Sano to advance too T_T

SilentBuddhist

01-04-2008, 10:52 PM

Duath

01-05-2008, 12:15 AM

Well, at least you're there too for stuff like this and when Greg's not around ^^

I voted for Teresa without question. I'm not fond of Oro and I don't read HxH. I like Sano but Teresa could beat them all any day, in my opinion :D

likewise, Teresa is by far the most kick *** of all those characters. I just love her extra scene, where she destroys Rosemary only using 10% of her power. It was amazing.

I do wonder how she would fair against Alicia though...

Tensa Zangetsu

01-05-2008, 12:40 AM

Duath

01-05-2008, 01:13 AM

Teresa against Alicia...hmmm, when you think about it, Alicia would be kind of useless if Beth wasn't there to control her. If Teresa were to attack Beth that would ruin her concentration on Alicia...We don't really know about their individual fighting abilities when she isn't awakened though...

She isn't useless, she is just not useful to the organization. If Beth wasn't there, she would awaken fully, and what I meant was would Teresa be able to compete with an awakened Alicia. My hunch is yes, and the strongest 1 in the annals is Teresa, not Alicia. The organization didn't know about her defeat of Rosemary, and etc.

wany1981

01-05-2008, 03:52 AM

Hynavian

01-05-2008, 03:54 AM

jeffmas has been banned for a week. He shouldn't be a problem in the Claymore threads any longer. If he starts up again once the ban is lifted, or he makes alternate accounts, I'm sure his ban can be extended. :)

(No, I didn't do it. Greg got here before I did.)
Thank you E-K for constantly helping us, Greg and the other mods too. :p

likewise, Teresa is by far the most kick *** of all those characters. I just love her extra scene, where she destroys Rosemary only using 10% of her power. It was amazing.

I do wonder how she would fair against Alicia though...
If we pit a Claymore Alicia vs Teresa, I'm sad to say that Alicia and Beth's Claymore strats are better than Teresa on official records. I almost smashed my lab top screen when I saw the strats in the Databook.

However, I'm still skeptical about the Databooks though.

She isn't useless, she is just not useful to the organization. If Beth wasn't there, she would awaken fully, and what I meant was would Teresa be able to compete with an awakened Alicia. My hunch is yes, and the strongest 1 in the annals is Teresa, not Alicia. The organization didn't know about her defeat of Rosemary, and etc.
Yes this would be interesting to discuss. We're still unsure what the prowess of Teresa was and whether she did hid her "true" powers from the organization.

An AB fight between the two would be interesting. We need more manga coverage on Alicia so that we can start comparing their speed, attack, etc!

PS: What happened to Clare and gang, I hope the mangaka has not forgotten about them. :lol:

SilentBuddhist

01-05-2008, 03:55 AM

So would I :devil: After all, she IS my queen, at least...and knowing Sniper, that might happen. But still, we should vote there anyways, and seal the deal in there. You never know what the Narutards may do at the last minute...

Tensa Zangetsu

01-05-2008, 04:43 AM

*sigh* Nobodys here T-T....ah well, I would definatly go with miria over Clare any day as well :p

I wonder how Alicia and Beth fight as normal Claymores though >.>....you're right we do need more page coverage on them...Teresa would still own them no matter how strong they are though...

Noelle

01-05-2008, 06:40 AM

Oh My God. 5 Pages in one Day?! And it's not really 1 full day either >.< more like 12 hours. :p
Don't worry, I'm shocked beyond words too. :eek: Gotta read so much. XD.

I wonder how Alicia and Beth fight as normal Claymores though >.>....you're right we do need more page coverage on them...Teresa would still own them no matter how strong they are though...
They're mindless little puppets, they probably need one of the black coats there to instruct them. "Go Alicia, cut the Yoma in front of you into half!" ... "Beth, do a horizontal slash to the Yoma on your left!" ... =_= Back to topic; I mean we really don't know who would be victorious if Teresa were to fight Alicia and Beth without a soul link. After all Teresa hid her true strength from the organization so the stats in the Databook may actually be a fluke. Anyhow, I think we'll see the true strength of half of Teresa's power through Clare as the story progresses, so we just need to multiply that strength by two to find out...

Good that the weird guy's gone. He was irritating me by adding on to the number of pages I have to read every time I log in... :p

Hynavian

01-05-2008, 07:21 AM

Teresa doesn't seems to be in any kind of trouble at all in the character battle she is in.

So .. what about next week when clare and miria in the same battle? are we gonna split vote over 2 of them or are we gonna talk about it here and decide who we should focus on...

personally i dump clare for miria any day.

I disagree. I'll dump Clare for Miria anytime.

With regards to Alicia and Beth, I feel that they do have the EQ and IQ. Alicia has no problem answering questions when the black cloak asked her one. Furthermore, we know that they're trained to battle others, hence their EQ in battle is pretty high for they know how to eliminate the enemy almost immediately.

Seraphiel

01-05-2008, 07:30 AM

GALATEA ftw ! she owns both miria and clare =D

18fenrir

01-05-2008, 08:29 AM

Poor clare.. despite being the protagonist of the story, she is unpopular with the group worshiping them :(

If there's anything 1 vote of mine can do for her, it's a pity vote then. But i agree.. Teresa's rocking them socks off :p

Alicia and Beth eh? I doubt you should think them as idiots with IQ/EQ in the negative regions

Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups. It is a relatively new area of psychological research. The definition of EI is constantly changing.

Considerably they have been trained in abilities such as battle, assessment of enemy strength and self-measurement ability (gah... this doesn't make sense but that's why my brain can churn out so far) But yea, i do think the organisation would have trained them to lack the base emotions such as like/dislike/love/hate. Furthermore perhaps they would also have been trained to only acknowledge the Organisation's commands and to posess none of their own opinions. So yea... they aren't idiots..

Secondly, meh Teresa will kill both of them, awakened or not there you go :)

MacenKrace

01-05-2008, 08:39 AM

Ok go go go Teressa.
I disagree. I'll dump Clare for Miria anytime.

I'll dump nearly each one of them for Noelle, Alicia or Beth. Of course I can get both Alicia and Beth in the same time :lol:

Seraphiel

01-05-2008, 08:47 AM

eww noelle ?? didn't you see galatea in her hot priestress outfit ? she looks even hotter blind !!

Seraphiel

01-05-2008, 08:47 AM

hey guys i was also wondering how to post an image as my signature.. i have the url but i dunno the code for it -_-

MacenKrace

01-05-2008, 08:49 AM

hey guys i was also wondering how to post an image as my signature.. i have the url but i dunno the code for it -_-

Use the edit button and don't double post

P.S. USER CP just above. find it.

18fenrir

01-05-2008, 08:50 AM

Seraphiel

01-05-2008, 08:50 AM

i know its in user CP but like when i go to the signature section i dunno what the code is to make it show the image from the URL i have. there is some kind of code isnt there ?

SilentBuddhist

01-05-2008, 08:54 AM

If you want an image for your sig, you need at least 50 posts. You're close though! :p

Seraphiel

01-05-2008, 08:58 AM

Oo 50 posts O.O where do you see how many posts i made ?

[nvm i see it now...]

MacenKrace

01-05-2008, 10:25 AM

Oo 50 posts O.O where do you see how many posts i made ?

[nvm i see it now...]

How about just stop spamming our thread?

ELUNE

01-05-2008, 10:55 AM

dearest Seraphiel, there's a proper forum for this. Oh and i forgot you do need 50posts to be able to post an image in your siggy

But i'll dump everyone for.. Rubel.. NOT! X-D :lol: seriously? Galatea or Teresa.

I agree with you fenrir. I would go with Teresa & Galatea aswell.:D

By the way... I'm going to go on a ski vacation for a week...so I guess I won't be on the forum for a week:eek::(! Just unforgivable! ( I guess that's Prissy's favourite word...:lol: )
I'm going to miss you guys so much...:(
And I will certanly have so much to read...if you continue at this rate:)
Well, sorry in advance for missing for so long!
See you guys in a week!

chezkimo

01-05-2008, 12:20 PM

yeah, i would dump them all for galatea. you would think someone wearing a nun outfit and being blind would make them LESS attractive, but not galatea. it's like the opposite for her.

Oh and i think teresa wuld beat alicia IF teresa released like 50% or 60% of her full yoki power. if she releases like 70% then i'd say she'd definatly win. i don't entirely trust the stats. After all they've got clare at Es and Ds. at the point we are now, we defo. know she's at the point of one of the top 5 of this current generation. and if we entrily trusted the stat pages then miria and gang AND galatea should be dead right now.

Excel-Kleinwald

01-05-2008, 08:25 PM

Hmm, just making a reminder that the next One Manga character battle is up, and Teresa has made a huge lead already... but if you still want to vote for her to give her a landslide victory go out and do your party!

jeffmass

01-05-2008, 10:43 PM

Hello im back HYNAVIAN
report me again

SilentBuddhist

01-05-2008, 10:45 PM

We will, if you continue to spam.

Teresa could beat Alicia/Beth any day. If she could beat someone who could be considered an Abyssal with only 10% yoki, using 30-40% could most definitely beat the twins.

Greg

01-06-2008, 12:08 AM

Well, that guy earned himself an IP ban ^___^

SilentBuddhist

01-06-2008, 12:10 AM

Ah, thanks Greg ^^ That's the end of that now.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-06-2008, 12:24 AM

eh, what's and IP ban? :p

We will, if you continue to spam.

Teresa could beat Alicia/Beth any day. If she could beat someone who could be considered an Abyssal with only 10% yoki, using 30-40% could most definitely beat the twins.

and I don't think rosemary is strong enought to be considered an abyssal one...she was former number 1 but a muuuccch weaker number 1 then Teresa. So I don't think Rosemary can really be as strong as an abyssal one....or maybe you weren't thinking about Rosemary perhaps?

Tekkaman Saber

01-06-2008, 12:25 AM

Oh you mean how when Rhyssa edits someones post to say "hi i'm a noobie who hasn't read the rules?"

SilentBuddhist

01-06-2008, 12:26 AM

Well, Rosemary DID take on Teresa...so of course she was pwned and put to shame.

Useless

01-06-2008, 12:26 AM

I assumed he was talking about Priscilla....back when she was still a Claymore, and not an AB. >.>
IP banning is when his IP get banned...>.>
So he can't make more accounts.

Greg

01-06-2008, 12:27 AM

No.... it's like a deleted message. But enough about that.

An IP ban means that they're banned on every account on that computer.

Noelle

01-06-2008, 02:15 AM

Sweet! An IP ban! :D Pop goes the weasel! [/random]

Teresa could beat Alicia/Beth any day. If she could beat someone who could be considered an Abyssal with only 10% yoki, using 30-40% could most definitely beat the twins.
I assume you're talking about Rosemary.

Technically Rosemary is considered an Abyssal One. She was indeed a former Number One, and so shouldn't be an Abyssal, but she was good enough to be Number One at some point of time, even if this 'point of time' in reference is just after the Luciela disaster whereby the organization was severely short-handed.

Based on the circumstances she ascended to Number One, Rosemary was probably weaker than most Number Ones before and after her, but she's still considered at the level of an Abyssal after Awakening because she was Number One at one point, taken over only by Teresa, whom we all know is super duper strong.

As someone mentioned before [forgive me for not being able to remember >.>"], we haven't seen Alicia & Beth in action as Claymores. Although I also believe Teresa would be able to dispatch them without much problem.

Nonetheless I think Teresa might have trouble facing Isley if she had to - while she can read the flow of his arrows perfectly, because they hone onto their target, she might have considerable trouble dodging.

Well, each to their own. -shrugs-

Tensa Zangetsu

01-06-2008, 02:21 AM

Sweet! An IP ban! :D Pop goes the weasel! [/random]

I assume you're talking about Rosemary.

Technically Rosemary is considered an Abyssal One. She was indeed a former Number One, and so shouldn't be an Abyssal, but she was good enough to be Number One at some point of time, even if this 'point of time' in reference is just after the Luciela disaster whereby the organization was severely short-handed.

Based on the circumstances she ascended to Number One, Rosemary was probably weaker than most Number Ones before and after her, but she's still considered at the level of an Abyssal after Awakening because she was Number One at one point, taken over only by Teresa, whom we all know is super duper strong..
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Woah, I forgot about that. Rosemary was number 1 after the Luciela disaster....so she isn't as strong as the other #1's...Good point. But yeah Teresa would be able beat Alicia but we still need more info on her. Against Isely hmm, we still don't know many of Isely's attacks other then his lance and his arrows as well so I can't say....but of course, Teresa would win though. I wonder what reason it could have been that she hid her true power from the organization? Even Rosemary called her a monster....

SilentBuddhist

01-06-2008, 02:22 AM

I heard he can turn his lance into an ax too...

Excel-Kleinwald

01-06-2008, 02:27 AM

Yeah I am pretty sure that was seen in one of the Claymore Extra Scenes where he first meets Priscilla and fights her.

buttercup28101

01-06-2008, 02:38 AM

I wonder what reason it could have been that she hid her true power from the organization? Even Rosemary called her a monster....

I think she hid her power from the organization becuse if they found out how powerful she relly was. they might have grown afraid of her and try to purge her from the organization.

Noelle

01-06-2008, 02:47 AM

I think she hid her power from the organization becuse if they found out how powerful she relly was. they might have grown afraid of her and try to purge her from the organization.
Might also be because she didn't want to be sent on dangerous missions that required her to release lots of Yoki in order to secure a win. [i.e: fighting Abyssal Ones] Also, Clare helped Teresa find back her compassion and humanity; but who's to say that Teresa didn't already secretly care, if not for humans, then for her comrades?

If the organization knew her true strength they might send her with a team to fight maybe - say - six above average Awakened Beings, which would be technically no problem for Teresa. But for the rest, it might be. Teresa might not want to see any of her comrades die. She might be able to harden her heart, but it doesn't mean she was completely emotionless towards other Claymores before she met Clare. Perhaps she did care for them, secretly.

The reason why she hid her true strength - and preferred to work alone - might be because she cared for other Claymores and didn't want them sent on a mission with her - for while the mission wouldn't be a problem for Teresa, it would be suicide for the others.

buttercup28101

01-06-2008, 02:51 AM

That's true i never thought of that.

18fenrir

01-06-2008, 02:59 AM

Actually i think it's just natural that she hid her immense power. It would simply make her stick out too much and in the mind of a seasoned warrior, one that stands out is usually cut down. You can never know who is out there stronger than you i guess. Teresa is inherently a survivor and so she will do cruel things to survive and her wry sense of humour and hobby of terrifying commoners stemmed from those experiences..

As for why she lied to How she killed Rosemary? I honestly think if she told him she allowed rosemary to awaken and kill her, the organisation would start poking their noses into her abilities and test her limits. She afterall did say at one time that she only releases 10% because it's all that's enough to slay her enemies but also she fears that releasing more than that would allow her to awaken. Perhaps her limits aren't very good? Releasing more than 30-50 would actually cause her to awaken? i don't remember where i may have heard this but it just reverberates around my mind so here it comes out :p

Tensa Zangetsu

01-06-2008, 03:04 AM

Perhaps Teresa doesn't want to make enemies. You saw how much Rosemary hated her...maybe she hid her true strength so that the other claymores wouldn't be jealous of her. Im pretty sure Teresa has pretty good yoki limits though...and 30-50 would not cause her to awaken. Almost all claymores have decent yoki control. Even Clare in the very beginning knew how to release yoki even when she was #47....

18fenrir

01-06-2008, 03:06 AM

perhaps i was mistaken then :) i doubt teresa has lousy limits but since this thought has been in my head for a while, just thought i'd post it here and see what can be made of it

But not make enemies, yea i agree. If only we could see more of her and possibly Teresa hunting AB or even.. an abyssal ;)

Noelle

01-06-2008, 03:14 AM

I think your theory's plausible, fenrir. With a couple of modifications. XD.

We know that Teresa was a warrior who had an [i]unusually high amount of Yoki in her. It's possible her limit might be lower than most Claymores because of this unusually high ratio. Or it could be that while she shares the same limit as other Claymores, the more she releases the harder it is to maintain complete control over it. Something like that.

That means Clare might be considered 3/4 human, 1/4 Yoma, but with Teresa's unusually high amount of Yoki she might actually really be a normal 1/2 Yoma 1/2 human, come to think of it.

MacenKrace

01-06-2008, 10:56 AM

MacenKrace

01-06-2008, 11:09 AM

#sorry about the double post. network problems

Duath

01-06-2008, 02:25 PM

It doesn't matter how you place it but Clare is still weaker than Teressa or any other Claymore with a good youki control.

How do you figure that? I don't really understand what you are trying to say, are you trying to say that Clare, no matter how large her yoki energy is, is weaker than someone with less energy and more youki control? If thats what you are trying to say, I seriously doubt it, because no matter how good you are at controlling it, if you don't have a lot, it becomes useless.

chezkimo

01-06-2008, 02:51 PM

Yep, completly agree Duath. i as well was confused as what you were saying. Maybe i'm wrong but you sound like you're underestimating clare. as we know, even though she's 1/4 yoma, she's at the same equivalant as any other claymore becuase of teresa being so powerful. Also, at the point we are now, she's equivalant to atleast single digit! so what you're saying is kinda irrelevant.

I think with all the power teresa had, she might be, virtually, on a scale of say 3/4 yoma. And that might of been perhaps why she didn't want to release her yoki so much because she was afraid that because she had so much yoki, releasing too much of it might consume her humanity. (like the male awakened beings who all awakened beause they were frustrated lol)

anyway, i won't be posting much here anymore, or even at all. so i bid you farewell.

18fenrir

01-06-2008, 02:52 PM

while the idea is cool that because clare has teresa's flesh within her effectively making her unique in the sense she's not half yoma but much less in proportion. No link has been made to her so i really doubt a gigantic pool of yoki sleeps within her. She isn't the "power-up by heritage" kind of protagonist, it was more of her will power, determination and hard work that made her stronger. Also one underlying reason that makes everyone strong i guess. the inherent need to protect those you love and cherish.

ehhh you're leaving? but you've just returned?

Duath

01-06-2008, 02:53 PM

ehhh you're leaving? but you've just returned?

I think, I hope, that he meant leaving this thread?

This thread progresses waaaaaayyyyy to fast for me. ;D

18fenrir

01-06-2008, 03:00 PM

Hynavian

01-06-2008, 03:04 PM

anyway, i won't be posting much here anymore, or even at all. so i bid you farewell.

captain why? I have received your PM and have replied. Let me know what happened okie, you know how to contact me, email or msn. Feel free to post anytime, be it days, weeks, months or years later. I'll still be around and it'll be comforting for me to just know that you're doing well.

the main gang ran off but I know that they're doing well, so I'm happy. I wish you all the best too, take care.

Duath

01-06-2008, 03:55 PM

i agree that this thread progresses way to fast. I'm only able to catch up if i get to use the computer for the whole day on weekends and that is not a granted :(

And i sure hope it doesn't mean he leaves for good (and in other stuff like rp too)

ps: i've been wanting to say this..to Duath: Shishio makoto is awesome. even in his defeat he was wayy cool

Oh he is amazing. My top three favorite swordsmen (japanese swordsmen, not sexy claymore wielding half-demon women) are him (Maybe kenshin and he are tied), Zoro, and Yamamoto from Reborn.

But... we need a new Claymore of the week, I vote Flora

18fenrir

01-06-2008, 04:09 PM

Oh he is amazing. My top three favorite swordsmen (japanese swordsmen, not sexy claymore wielding half-demon women) are him (Maybe kenshin and he are tied), Zoro, and Yamamoto from Reborn.

But... we need a new Claymore of the week, I vote Flora

ah yes. Floraaa! my vote goes to her too. I'm an emerging-from-the-closet Flora fanboy q: Have we done her yet?

oh and here's a little tribute for her.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/18fenrir/Galatea-Flora.jpg

Ooc: i understand this is ooc in claymore thread but i soooo <3 rurouni kenshin. i guess i'm a sucker for romance/sad endings. I only just watched the ova trust&betrayal. that was heart wrenching. Shishio may be one of the top swordsman in my opinion too but in terms of coolness i chose hajime saito, kenshin (hitokiri behaviour) and seta soujiro. ack.. now better to stop this before someone closes on both of us :p let's take it to the rurouni thread.

MacenKrace

01-06-2008, 05:45 PM

I vote Helen.

SilentBuddhist

01-06-2008, 05:49 PM

Sorry I haven't been posting here lately...been busy with my ToS RP. 3 of you here know what I mean right! :lol:

Anyways, I'll go with Flora too.

Excel-Kleinwald

01-06-2008, 06:14 PM

Um... haven't ever vote before but... I vote for Tabitha.

ELUNE

01-06-2008, 06:24 PM

Hello there! I found a computer nearby so I decided to contact you!

I'm so sorry that captain leaves:( ( even though I haven't been on the forum for too long but even so, it's always sad to see someone leaving ) ; I hope it's not for good ( it better not be;) ... just kidding)
And just like Hynavian said, feel free to come again ( anytime you want )!!:thumbup:

My vote is on Flora also...:)...She's great! ( of course, not as much as Galatea:D, but...)

And about Teresa... I think she would defeat Alicia & Beth without any doubt.
It is possible that Teresa has a "stronger" Yoki inside her. ( just like Galatea who said that ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) of all Claymores ( in her generation, I asume, or maybe not ), her Yoki is the strongest one )

It doesn't matter how you place it but Clare is still weaker than Teressa or any other Claymore with a good youki control.

Anyway, I think we shouldn't underestimate Clare. Even though she isn't very strong ( but she really has gotten better ), she has a great power of will.

Darkwing Bahamut

01-07-2008, 01:13 AM

Galatea was referring only to her current generation when she said that when released, her Yoki level is the highest among all 47 Claymores. So it doesn't include Teresa.

while the idea is cool that because clare has teresa's flesh within her effectively making her unique in the sense she's not half yoma but much less in proportion. No link has been made to her so i really doubt a gigantic pool of yoki sleeps within her. She isn't the "power-up by heritage" kind of protagonist, it was more of her will power, determination and hard work that made her stronger. Also one underlying reason that makes everyone strong i guess. the inherent need to protect those you love and cherish.
The way I see it, she is exactly that kind of protagonist. While it's true that Clare's will and determination play a huge part in helping her out of critical situations and making her stronger, I think some of that also attribute to the Yoki she inherited from Teresa. Almost every power up Clare's gone through was achieved by tapping into the enormous amount of Yoki that sleeps within her, any form of power she possess so far were those acquired from others, eg. Irene and Flora's techniques. Without these inheritances it's unlikely she could've gotten that huge a power boost in the fight against Rigardo.

Hynavian

01-07-2008, 04:30 AM

Oh he is amazing. My top three favorite swordsmen (japanese swordsmen, not sexy claymore wielding half-demon women) are him (Maybe kenshin and he are tied), Zoro, and Yamamoto from Reborn.

But... we need a new Claymore of the week, I vote Flora
It seems like 3 people have voted for Flora. Though we have had her as a character of the week before, I'm cool with her being the character of the week again.

Coming back to Teresa's Yoki control, I find that both sides do bring up great points. We haven't and will not be able to see Teresa use more than 10% of her powers (because she's dead). However, since Teresa is part of Clare, can we argue that Teresa's ability to control Yoki is also good since Clare did manage to control a 3/4 awakening when she had Teresa's blood flowing in her. If it's true that Teresa has a lower limit, wouldn't Clare run amok and awaken already though she's only 1/4 Yoma?

With regards to jeffmasss, I'm speechless. Feel free to discuss any topics, don't insult us anymore though. I think Greg, E-K or one of the mods will definitely check up on you.

Useless

01-07-2008, 06:32 AM

Well..that was disgraceful. :/
Anyways your talking about Claymores of the week...so I'll vote Flora on account of me making a sig of her earlier..>.>

Seraphiel

01-07-2008, 06:35 AM

are we still voting? if yes then im voting for galatea ^^

SilentBuddhist

01-07-2008, 06:37 AM

Your sig is...enormous Seraphiel. Too big. It'll get taken down the moment a mod or admin sees it.

The limit needs to be at 500w x 150h. Your sig height is almost double the limit.

Seraphiel

01-07-2008, 07:03 AM

oh darnit =/. i'll reduce the size.

Hynavian

01-07-2008, 09:28 AM

Summary
Flora - 6 votes (18genrir, Duath, SB, ELUNE, Useless, Hynavian)
Helen - 1 vote (Macen)
Tabitha - 1 vote (E-K)
Galatea - 1 vote (Seraphiel)
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Some RANDOM side not:
jeffmasss got banned again.
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Hello there! I found a computer nearby so I decided to contact you!

I'm so sorry that captain leaves:( ( even though I haven't been on the forum for too long but even so, it's always sad to see someone leaving ) ; I hope it's not for good ( it better not be;) ... just kidding)
And just like Hynavian said, feel free to come again ( anytime you want )!!:thumbup:

My vote is on Flora also...:)...She's great! ( of course, not as much as Galatea:D, but...)

And about Teresa... I think she would defeat Alicia & Beth without any doubt.
It is possible that Teresa has a "stronger" Yoki inside her. ( just like Galatea who said that ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) of all Claymores ( in her generation, I asume, or maybe not ), her Yoki is the strongest one )

Anyway, I think we shouldn't underestimate Clare. Even though she isn't very strong ( but she really has gotten better ), she has a great power of will.
How's your trip so far? Let us know how it went, snow boarding right? :p

I think Alicia and Beth are also no push over, their strats are amazingly strongth. Furthermore, they can go AB style, where Alicia becomes an AB and then slaughter anything that's in her way. She doesn't speak and doesn't feel much while battling, hence, she won't wait around and talk alot like Rosemary (who got killed by Teresa) in the end.

PS: Time for me to change my banners and avatars. I have been following for way too long.

MacenKrace

01-07-2008, 09:40 AM

Gotta get my old Flora banner. I hate Flora... there's no good pic with her for me to make a sig....

Hynavian

01-07-2008, 09:46 AM

Gotta get my old Flora banner. I hate Flora... there's no good pic with her for me to make a sig....
I'm going to use my old Flora banners too. I made too many of them in the past and I did not utilize them fully.

18fenrir

01-07-2008, 12:24 PM

yay flora! She had too little screen time but i like her skill. Windcutter.. it's soooo much like the samurai of ancient japan.

"we shall decide this with one blow" *both unsheaths and slashes*

haha i guess this explains why i like rurouni kenshin and flora and my rp :p

oh.. and.. Teresa > Alicia & Beth. Anyday. *cough* i'm sure many would agree :D

Noelle

01-07-2008, 01:25 PM

-ticks the box next to Flora's name- I shall pay tribute to one of my friend's beloved Claymore character. XD

The way I see it, she is exactly that kind of protagonist. While it's true that Clare's will and determination play a huge part in helping her out of critical situations and making her stronger, I think some of that also attribute to the Yoki she inherited from Teresa.
Of course. It was mentioned [or at least, inferred] somewhere in the first few chapters that Clare initially was not compatible with Teresa's flesh and blood. It appears that she became compatible with it only after her near-Awakening in Rabona.
Almost every power up Clare's gone through was achieved by tapping into the enormous amount of Yoki that sleeps within her, any form of power she possess so far were those acquired from others, eg. Irene and Flora's techniques. Without these inheritances it's unlikely she could've gotten that huge a power boost in the fight against Rigardo.
I beg to differ. Clare trained for the Quicksword technique. She also trained for Windcutter during the seven year timeskip. It's true that she acquired these skills from others, but she did not just suddenly 'pick it up' like many other stories; she had to train from scratch. She had to learn them, and that is what makes her such a realistic protagonist. She's also probably the only character in Claymore who will have a story shield, unless Clarice is to take over her position, which I highly doubt.

oh.. and.. Teresa > Alicia & Beth. Anyday. *cough* i'm sure many would agree :D
Naturally! XD!

I think Alicia and Beth are also no push over, their strats are amazingly strongth. Furthermore, they can go AB style, where Alicia becomes an AB and then slaughter anything that's in her way. She doesn't speak and doesn't feel much while battling, hence, she won't wait around and talk alot like Rosemary (who got killed by Teresa) in the end.
Also this mindlessness of Alicia and Beth will render techniques such as Yoki manipulation completely void against them. We haven't seen much of Alicia fighting, but have you ever considered that Alicia might have Teresa's Yoki reading skill? The organization acknowledged it as the best technique in the Databooks [however unreliable they might be, they are still a source for inference]; and with the twins' kind of stats, both of them should be able to master Teresa's Yoki reading without much problem.

MacenKrace

01-07-2008, 06:55 PM

Also this mindlessness of Alicia and Beth will render techniques such as Yoki manipulation completely void against them. We haven't seen much of Alicia fighting, but have you ever considered that Alicia might have Teresa's Yoki reading skill? The organization acknowledged it as the best technique in the Databooks [however unreliable they might be, they are still a source for inference]; and with the twins' kind of stats, both of them should be able to master Teresa's Yoki reading without much problem.

I'm not sure about that....

Darkwing Bahamut

01-07-2008, 11:47 PM

Duath

01-08-2008, 12:21 AM

Even if they could, why would they need a skill like that? A & B were specifically created for the purpose of handling the AOs. Yoki reading was proven less effective against opponents with high Yoki (as demonstrated with Teresa Vs 70% Priscilla), and we all know that the AOs fit into that category. Instead, I think Yoki manipulation would be a skill more suited for their purpose.

Exactly, and once they have awakened, yoki manipulation would allow them to cripple their opponents and crush them with their advanced skills. I am curious to know if beth has any abilities of her own, or is she just the anchor. In other words, can she awaken as well? (With alicia controlling her?) I would think so, because I am sure they would train them to go both ways.

SilentBuddhist

01-08-2008, 12:39 AM

Duath

01-08-2008, 12:48 AM

More likely than not, Alicia is more than an anchor. She wasn't put on the #2 spot for nothing. So ya, Beth was most likely trained to not only control an awakened Alicia, but is about the same level in sword fighting and experience as her twin.

Speaking of sword fighting, I seem to remember that they didn't use their Claymore's, but I think that they would be more powerful with them. Meh.

In addition, I don't understand why Beth would wear black if she couldn't transform.

SilentBuddhist

01-08-2008, 12:54 AM

Well, like you said, maybe Beth can awaken as well, and possibly Alicia could control her. Or maybe, if Beth makes a mistake and awaken accidentally herself, she can revert back, and the black uniform doesn't tear in case that happens.

...And people DO realize I had to discard the coolest Silent Hill av for my second favorite Claymore, Flora, don't they?! XD

Darkwing Bahamut

01-08-2008, 12:58 AM

Speaking of sword fighting, I seem to remember that they didn't use their Claymore's, but I think that they would be more powerful with them. Meh.
TBH, I don't think Alicia could even hold a sword in her Awakened state. I mean, you saw those gigantic pincers of hers... they're more effective against the ABs/AOs than a sword will ever be.

On Beth, I don't think the Soul Link can go both ways. Most of the Org's focus so far seems to be on making Alicia more powerful.

Tensa Zangetsu

01-08-2008, 02:33 AM

I forgot the reason they had the black uniforms....I thought it was because everytime Alicia did an awakening it would be ruined so she always wore the cheap black ones because those were easier and cheaper to replace? I don't remember....but in that case....why does Beth also wear black then? Cause I also doubt that the soul link can go both ways...

beakedbard

01-08-2008, 04:00 AM

Thought i ought to say bye to all you Claymore mafia peoples seeing as i prolly won't post here again until the forum becomes fun again.

SilentBuddhist

01-08-2008, 04:05 AM

*tilts head* There's something boring in the forums? :(

MacenKrace

01-08-2008, 05:50 AM

Even if they could, why would they need a skill like that? A & B were specifically created for the purpose of handling the AOs. Yoki reading was proven less effective against opponents with high Yoki (as demonstrated with Teresa Vs 70% Priscilla), and we all know that the AOs fit into that category. Instead, I think Yoki manipulation would be a skill more suited for their purpose.

Youki manipulation is an advanced technique and I don't believe that one of the twins could do it or even rely on it. This is a technique that requires calculations and thinking, something something that the twins are not capable.

Hynavian

01-08-2008, 07:07 AM

Thought i ought to say bye to all you Claymore mafia peoples seeing as i prolly won't post here again until the forum becomes fun again.
Geez...take care. They're leaving one after the other :o
I forgot the reason they had the black uniforms....I thought it was because everytime Alicia did an awakening it would be ruined so she always wore the cheap black ones because those were easier and cheaper to replace? I don't remember....but in that case....why does Beth also wear black then? Cause I also doubt that the soul link can go both ways...
The organization did say that it was cheaper, those black outfit but I ponder over the below points:

1) Rubber is cheaper than metal (armor of the standard Claymores) in the Claymore world?
2) How did the rubber shrink back to normal when Alicia returned to normal? Rubber should be expandable and should stay in that form right?
3) Why black? Does it symbolizes death or something?

Also this mindlessness of Alicia and Beth will render techniques such as Yoki manipulation completely void against them. We haven't seen much of Alicia fighting, but have you ever considered that Alicia might have Teresa's Yoki reading skill? The organization acknowledged it as the best technique in the Databooks [however unreliable they might be, they are still a source for inference]; and with the twins' kind of stats, both of them should be able to master Teresa's Yoki reading without much problem.
Indeed both A & B have great stats but I do not think that they should be able to master Teresa's Yoki skills that easily. Though they are one of the Claymore skills, there are differences too. Skills like Windcutter appear to be rather "technical" to me. I feel that we can give Yuma (the lousiest among the 7) a chance and get her to train in Wind Cutter and she'll be able to use it someday. Practise makes perfect.

However, skills like trying to grasp Yoki signals is something like EQ or IQ. Yes, people can become better if they practice, but there'll be a limit to how far one can go in those areas.
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So it's Flora week!
She won by a landslide.

Darkwing Bahamut

01-08-2008, 10:04 AM

I don't think those skills can be acquired even through practice. Yoki alignment/reading/manipulating seems to be the type of skills one would have to possess right from the start, in other words: they are not skills which could be picked up along the way.

Noelle

01-08-2008, 01:22 PM

Exactly, and once they have awakened, yoki manipulation would allow them to cripple their opponents and crush them with their advanced skills.
The twins don’t seem to have the intellect to be able to perform such a complex technique. But their Yoki reading – if they have it – might even be better than Teresa’s. They were trained from birth by the organization – anything can happen!
I am curious to know if beth has any abilities of her own, or is she just the anchor. In other words, can she awaken as well? (With alicia controlling her?) I would think so, because I am sure they would train them to go both ways.
Yes, I agree with that. As long as Alicia has the same knowledge as Beth, she should also be able to be the ‘human anchor’ for her sister. I don’t see why the link cannot work both ways. For everything the organization has done, I don’t think they’d leave such a large loophole in their completion of Alicia & Beth. The soul link itself is a loophole already [i.e: attack Beth and see what happens to Alicia]; they won’t risk a loophole that they have the capability to close.

When Alicia is injured in battle, she can at least concentrate while Beth Awakens and finishes the fight, after which both can regenerate at their own pace if they’re hurt, taking into consideration the fact that Yoki suppression is needed in soul linking.

Thought i ought to say bye to all you Claymore mafia peoples seeing as i prolly won't post here again until the forum becomes fun again.
The forum is boring now? T_T Anyhow, take care. =3

3) Why black? Does it symbolizes death or something?
They’re called the Dark Twins. :p

Nah, I guess all the rubbery sections are black. The extensions [or whatever you call them] Helen wears on her arms and legs to accommodate her limb stretching are also black. Alicia and Beth – both of them – probably can Awaken [obviously not at the same time], so they wear an outfit of all black to suit the physical transformation during Awakening, that’s all.

Well, on another note… the organization’s men are all black, too, and Alicia & Beth are the organization’s greatest puppet against the Abyssals…

2) How did the rubber shrink back to normal when Alicia returned to normal? Rubber should be expandable and should stay in that form right?
I don’t know; it might be some material that doesn’t exist in this world but is similar to rubber. :p

Yoki alignment/reading/manipulating seems to be the type of skills one would have to possess right from the start, in other words: they are not skills which could be picked up along the way.
I beg to differ. It seems fairly impossible that upon the infusion of Yoma flesh and blood in a human, she suddenly gains such techniques that enable her to leap straight to a single digit rank. Yes, there are Claymores who are already slotted for the single digit ranks since their infusion, but those have valid reasons for doing so [the ones we know so far are Raphaela and maybe Alicia & Beth, perhaps Galatea as well for her ‘job’ as the ‘eye’]. Most single digits most likely had to work their way up the ranks.

Perhaps some Claymores, upon the infusion process are able to sense Yoki in much greater detail and perhaps further than most other ordinary warriors; and this quirk in them enables them to learn techniques such as Yoki reading/manipulation. They may have discovered they could do this and that because they were able to sense that well during the course of a battle, rather than had it from the start.

Ermita’s comments on Miria in the extra scene suggested that she learnt to release bursts of Yoki in her legs for mirages, rather than had the skill from the start. I know it’s not a very good example since it has nothing to do with detailed Yoki sensing, but it’s an example of how a warrior learnt to use her Yoki in a unique way to give her a special technique. Yoki manipulation could have been developed the same way. Yoki reading might have been discovered – and honed by Teresa – after she noticed you could sense a flow in such miniscule detail that if you focused, you could predict the possible outcome of the Yoki flow [i.e: the attack]. She then trained based on that, and there you have it.

18fenrir

01-08-2008, 02:24 PM

mmm.. interesting. Abilities such as yoki readings. Well Riful once said it was a matter of class.
Some are naturally better in offensive capabilities and others in yoki reading.

She said it when defeating Rachel and Audrey.

yay! Flora Week! <33

and now BB and Chezkimo are gone.. =(

Galatea was referring only to her current generation when she said that when released, her Yoki level is the highest among all 47 Claymores. So it doesn't include Teresa.

The way I see it, she is exactly that kind of protagonist. While it's true that Clare's will and determination play a huge part in helping her out of critical situations and making her stronger, I think some of that also attribute to the Yoki she inherited from Teresa. Almost every power up Clare's gone through was achieved by tapping into the enormous amount of Yoki that sleeps within her, any form of power she possess so far were those acquired from others, eg. Irene and Flora's techniques. Without these inheritances it's unlikely she could've gotten that huge a power boost in the fight against Rigardo.

Regarding Galatea, i figure it makes her like a mini-prissy. Substantial yoki but incredible rate of increase makes it feel like it's surging forward to attack/heal (as said by Rigardo/Isley during one of the Extra Scenes of Prissy :p)

And again, i really have to say.. Nowhere in the manga was it ever mentioned nor hinted that Clare has a enormous amount of Yoki that sleeps within her. True her yoki comes from Teresa but because that also means she was 1/4 yoma and 3/4 humans all her aspects of her are less than ideal. In fact her yoki has always been weak as read by Galatea, Riful and a good number of others. But i think it has been growing since her partial awakening and her repeated attempt during Pieta gave it a substantial boost (possibly) but unless we see her unleash it again we won't know.

Yea she inherited Irene's arm. That arm had its own yoki (debatable). She inherited Windcutter which she trained 7years for it. And yet again possibly relying on Irene's potentially superior arm. (i looked at her partially awaken picture again. Yeap.. her right arm remained human while her left arm lost all sense of human features and looked more like blades grafted on muscle and flesh. Her left arm looked normal except it had spawned diamond-like appendages upon it. which imho "SUPERB!" ;) :p) But those weren't relying on her own yoki much!! >.<

Lucha

01-08-2008, 03:27 PM

SilentBuddhist

01-08-2008, 03:52 PM

Hi guys, i'm new to this forum..., but have read lots of manga... and claymore is definitely one of the best!

About Beth's ability to fight..., she definitely can fight... that's one. But I don't know about her awakening, since Rubul suggest like 'always' Beth to keep quiet and Alicia to do the awakening.
For me, it's more like Beth=Suppressing and Alicia=Unleashing their yoki. Sure she can fight..., after all, we got example from Luciela-Raphaela. Luciela=Awakens, Raphaela=Suppress. Raphaela can fight, but in different ways (I think) from most of claymore. She doesn't using yoki, but still capable to stay on the top. And based to that, I think the organization would train Alicia & Beth the same way they're training Raphaela & Luciela.
Hi there Lucha, and welcome. I like how you gave a previous example of "soul link" to defend Beth's stance on being able to fight, but probably trained in a different way than most. Raphaela was definitely trained to hold back Luciela at the time, and despite failing to do that, I think we could speculate she doesn't fight using yoki. With that said, Beth could be the same.
And about switching role in the middle of the fight..., perhaps..., but consider this..., it's already hard enough to keep spirit of their siblings without doing anything, and now you suggest that Alicia who always (perhaps) do the awakening heals herself and suppressing yoki at the same time? Isn't releasing yoki crucial to healing? No..., for this I couldn't say I would agree...
Yeah, for defensive warriors like Cynthia or Deneve, releasing yoki helps heals wounds (regenerating). The same would apply for offensive warriors, but healing a lost limb is impossible for them. However, we can't be sure what the Twins are (they seem to be offensive, but who knows).

ELUNE

01-08-2008, 06:08 PM

Darkwing Bahamut

01-09-2008, 04:28 AM

The twins don’t seem to have the intellect to be able to perform such a complex technique. But their Yoki reading – if they have it – might even be better than Teresa’s. They were trained from birth by the organization – anything can happen!
I really don't think either technique can be said as more complex than the other. Either technique would require the ability to read the minute details in another's Yoki flow. The difference is that Preemptive sensing involves predicting the power and direction of impending attacks relying on Yoki flow and responding to said attacks accordingly (of course for this to be possible the user would need the better stats). Yoki manipulation entails the alignment of Yoki to alter another's actions at the discretion of the user. It is not an extension of preemptive Yoki reading, as it was never shown in the manga whether Yoki manipulators could predict attacks as well. This leads me to think that these 2 are separate techniques equal on levels of complexity, so there's no reason to assume the twins can master one technique but not the other.

And like I've said, Yoki manipulation would be a more advantageous skill for the twins when dealing with AOs. Unless they are capable of surpassing even Teresa in the field of preemptive sensing, which is unlikely.

Yes, I agree with that. As long as Alicia has the same knowledge as Beth, she should also be able to be the ‘human anchor’ for her sister. I don’t see why the link cannot work both ways. For everything the organization has done, I don’t think they’d leave such a large loophole in their completion of Alicia & Beth. The soul link itself is a loophole already [i.e: attack Beth and see what happens to Alicia]; they won’t risk a loophole that they have the capability to close.
Of course there's the possibility that Alicia and Beth can switch roles in their Soul linking. But there are more evidence to suggest otherwise: so far we've only seen the Org's attempts to make progress on Alicia's power, no mention of their attempts to increase Beth's power as well. Also, making a Soul link go both ways could have its drawbacks as well. For one thing, A & B would have to constantly switch between completely suppressing their Yoki and unleashing it all at once. IMO Soul linking is far more effective if the 2 involved each excels in their individual role in the soul link, rather than having to divide between Yoki alignment and combat techniques. Not to mention this constant role switching could also lead to mental weakening in the 'anchor', causing them to lose concentration.

As for the loophole: even the Org themselves admitted to having an imperfect understanding of the Soul link process and cannot pride themselves in having perfected it. Beth is defenseless during her Yoki alignment stage, which is why Alicia has to annihilate the enemies quickly. Besides, in the eyes of the Org they are only the precedent subjects for more to come.

I beg to differ. It seems fairly impossible that upon the infusion of Yoma flesh and blood in a human, she suddenly gains such techniques that enable her to leap straight to a single digit rank. Yes, there are Claymores who are already slotted for the single digit ranks since their infusion, but those have valid reasons for doing so [the ones we know so far are Raphaela and maybe Alicia & Beth, perhaps Galatea as well for her ‘job’ as the ‘eye’]. Most single digits most likely had to work their way up the ranks.

Perhaps some Claymores, upon the infusion process are able to sense Yoki in much greater detail and perhaps further than most other ordinary warriors; and this quirk in them enables them to learn techniques such as Yoki reading/manipulation. They may have discovered they could do this and that because they were able to sense that well during the course of a battle, rather than had it from the start.
Well, that's what I meant. Claymores with Yoki reading/manipulating skills are those with better Yoki sensing skills right from the start. They would then further develop that ability into more complex skills like Yoki reading and manipulating. But without that it's pretty much impossible to learn those techniques from scratch.

Obviously they'd have to work their way up the ranks. Tabitha's ability to sense Yoki in a greater range compared to the rest of the 7 indicates that she's had better yoki sensing skills from the start, but that doesn’t mean she's acquired single digit status yet. She'd have to develop that ability of hers into something useful for combat like Teresa/Galatea's Yoki techniques.

Heck, I don't think even Teresa or Galatea possessed those skills upon their infusions, BUT they would've still had better Yoki sensing skills than the rest, thus allowing them to develop that skill into more unique techniques.

Ermita’s comments on Miria in the extra scene suggested that she learnt to release bursts of Yoki in her legs for mirages, rather than had the skill from the start. I know it’s not a very good example since it has nothing to do with detailed Yoki sensing, but it’s an example of how a warrior learnt to use her Yoki in a unique way to give her a special technique. Yoki manipulation could have been developed the same way. Yoki reading might have been discovered – and honed by Teresa – after she noticed you could sense a flow in such miniscule detail that if you focused, you could predict the possible outcome of the Yoki flow [i.e: the attack]. She then trained based on that, and there you have it.
But they are completely different cases of Yoki application. Using Yoki to develop special physical techniques is different from using it to develop techniques that can predict or alter another's flow of Yoki. For example, anyone would be able to learn Miria's mirage if they knew the mechanics behind it (or if Miria taught them), like how Clare’s learnt Quicksword and Windcutter, and how Helen’s learnt Jean’s drill technique, etc. these are all physical techniques which could be picked up by almost any warrior. However, mental techniques like Yoki reading and manipulating can't simply be learnt this way. To acquire these skills, one would need to have either good yoki sensing skills from the start, or the skill passed down from another Claymore, see: Clare.

And again, i really have to say.. Nowhere in the manga was it ever mentioned nor hinted that Clare has a enormous amount of Yoki that sleeps within her. True her yoki comes from Teresa but because that also means she was 1/4 yoma and 3/4 humans all her aspects of her are less than ideal. In fact her yoki has always been weak as read by Galatea, Riful and a good number of others. But i think it has been growing since her partial awakening and her repeated attempt during Pieta gave it a substantial boost (possibly) but unless we see her unleash it again we won't know.
Ok, maybe her half-awakening had something to do with that... but otherwise I'd find it unlikely she could've pulled that significant of a power boost in Pieta without Teresa's Yoki being the main factor behind it.

Hynavian

01-09-2008, 11:08 AM

They’re called the Dark Twins. :p

Nah, I guess all the rubbery sections are black. The extensions [or whatever you call them] Helen wears on her arms and legs to accommodate her limb stretching are also black. Alicia and Beth – both of them – probably can Awaken [obviously not at the same time], so they wear an outfit of all black to suit the physical transformation during Awakening, that’s all.

Well, on another note… the organization’s men are all black, too, and Alicia & Beth are the organization’s greatest puppet against the Abyssals…

I don’t know; it might be some material that doesn’t exist in this world but is similar to rubber. :p
I just added the above into Hynavian's book of amazing discoveries!

Fun Facts
Rubber is cheaper than Metal in the Claymore world.
The "cool" and "in colour" in the Claymore world is black.
Antagonists in the Claymore world dress in black.
Alicia and Beth are antagonists because they dress in black.
Black is the lucky colour in the Claymore world, Alicia & Beth & the organization people are still around after so long.
The organization people are not humans as sexy Claymores don't turn them on.
Raki is the symbol of sexiness as the female protagonist, Clare, loves him.
ABs keep pets. The best example would be Priscilla-Raki.
Dulf is amazing in his own way as Riful loves him. God knows in what way!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/b048a2d2.gif
Hi guys, i'm new to this forum..., but have read lots of manga... and claymore is definitely one of the best!
Hi Lucha, welcome to the forums.

And about switching role in the middle of the fight..., perhaps..., but consider this..., it's already hard enough to keep spirit of their siblings without doing anything, and now you suggest that Alicia who always (perhaps) do the awakening heals herself and suppressing yoki at the same time? Isn't releasing yoki crucial to healing? No..., for this I couldn't say I would agree...
Though Noelle has raised good points with regards to the soul link being able to work both ways, I still doubt the changing of roles. Lucha raised good points where Alicia is suppose to release Yoki and go all out while Beth is suppose to suppress her Yoki to her limits.

Imagine a pistol, you have the bullets (alicia) and you have the trigger (Beth). They're all part of a pistol but a bullet is not a trigger and vice versa.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/8c460310.gif
What am i talking about?
Yeah, for defensive warriors like Cynthia or Deneve, releasing yoki helps heals wounds (regenerating). The same would apply for offensive warriors, but healing a lost limb is impossible for them. However, we can't be sure what the Twins are (they seem to be offensive, but who knows).
Imagine the shock of some Claymore fans when the mangaka disclose that "Alicia and Beth" are defensive warriors! I went to check Databook 3 and they gave me a vague and rubbish information on the twins. They're neither defensive nor offensive for they are "Special" types. Grr...the Databook is not being helpful here.

Darkwing Bahamut

01-09-2008, 11:48 AM

Fun Facts
Rubber is cheaper than Metal in the Claymore world.
How do you know that?

The "cool" and "in colour" in the Claymore world is black.Black is a "cool" colour anywhere, not just in the Claymore world.:p

Antagonists in the Claymore world dress in black.
As do the protagonists.

Alicia and Beth are antagonists because they dress in black.90% of the Claymore main cast would be antagonists going by that guideline, lol.

Black is the lucky colour in the Claymore world, Alicia & Beth & the organization people are still around after so long.
Alicia and Beth just came into the story 7 years ago, and they might not be around for much longer. J/K

The organization people are not humans as sexy Claymores don't turn them on.
Or do they?:lol:

Raki is the symbol of sexiness as the female protagonist, Clare, loves him.Raki? Sexy? *pukes*

ABs keep pets. The best example would be Priscilla-Raki.Would Isley-Priscilla be another example?

Dulf is amazing in his own way as Riful loves him. God knows in what way!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/b048a2d2.gifRiful doesn't really have a choice as he's the only one who can "accept her without breaking." She's stuck with him whether she likes it or not.

Though Noelle has raised good points with regards to the soul link being able to work both ways, I still doubt the changing of roles. Lucha raised good points where Alicia is suppose to release Yoki and go all out while Beth is suppose to suppress her Yoki to her limits.

Imagine a pistol, you have the bullets (alicia) and you have the trigger (Beth). They're all part of a pistol but a bullet is not a trigger and vice versa.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I think you've got the point across better than I have.

Imagine the shock of some Claymore fans when the mangaka disclose that "Alicia and Beth" are defensive warriors! I went to check Databook 3 and they gave me a vague and rubbish information on the twins. They're neither defensive nor offensive for they are "Special" types. Grr...the Databook is not being helpful here.Well, it seemed like they knew what they were talking about, so we can ssume at least some of it is true.

I wonder, does special mean they posses a combination of offensive and defensive characteristics? Or does it mean that they have neither?

Noelle

01-09-2008, 12:34 PM

I wonder, does special mean they posses a combination of offensive and defensive characteristics? Or does it mean that they have neither?
I would think they’re classified as “Special” due to their stats, as well as the soul linking. We all know Awakened Beings – be it offensive or defensive – all have quite some level of regeneration capability, that would match any defensive Claymore’s at the very least. And we also know Awakened Beings have very high offensive capabilities – at least, all the ABs we have been shown so far are able to stab right through a Claymore easily. [they can probably use their finger extension skill to stab through multiple Claymores and eat them slowly like fishballs on a stick, if only they didn’t mind eating Yoma parts]

Those two may be classified as “Special” because they have the capabilities of both a defensive and an offensive Claymore, taking into consideration the fact that they do not have much of their ‘self’ left, and that a Claymore’s mind determines whether she will be offensive or defensive.

Riful doesn't really have a choice as he's the only one who can "accept her without breaking." She's stuck with him whether she likes it or not.
Oh, she can always choose to abandon him. There are many others out there who’d probably die to have just one night with her, even if it would be their last night. :p

Alicia and Beth just came into the story 7 years ago, and they might not be around for much longer. J/K
They might be the last boss for Clare & gang! :p

Stifler

01-09-2008, 02:00 PM

Hey, they might be fun!

Clare and the rest of the Lucky Seven facing off against the Dark Twins. I feel a plot for a possible fanfic coming on...

MacenKrace

01-09-2008, 08:41 PM

Hey, they might be fun!

Clare and the rest of the Lucky Seven facing off against the Dark Twins. I feel a plot for a possible fanfic coming on...

I wonder what would happen to Beth if Alicia gets killed and she is still in that soul-link trance.

Duath

01-09-2008, 09:21 PM

I wonder what would happen to Beth if Alicia gets killed and she is still in that soul-link trance.

If Alicia is in the awakened state, there is a likely hood that beth would awaken as well, in order to deal with the trauma of loosing Alicia.

Darkwing Bahamut

01-09-2008, 11:06 PM

I would think they’re classified as “Special” due to their stats, as well as the soul linking. We all know Awakened Beings – be it offensive or defensive – all have quite some level of regeneration capability, that would match any defensive Claymore’s at the very least. And we also know Awakened Beings have very high offensive capabilities – at least, all the ABs we have been shown so far are able to stab right through a Claymore easily. [they can probably use their finger extension skill to stab through multiple Claymores and eat them slowly like fishballs on a stick, if only they didn’t mind eating Yoma parts]
Not any offensive AB. Rigardo even admitted it would take time to fully regenerate his arm. Some defensive Claymores like Deneve can do that almost instantaneously. I think the regeneration capabilities of some offensive ABs are still below those of the defensive CLaymores.

They might be the last boss for Clare & gang! :p
Penultimate boss perhaps. I'd think the ultimate boss would be someone like Priscilla, or even the Organization people.:eek:

Alicia and Beth are like 2 parts of a whole with no individual personalities. They share the same mind but all of that is entrusted to Beth while in their soul-linked state. IF Alicia gets killed in that state then that would probably make Beth, who now hold the other part of Alicia, whole.

Lucha

01-10-2008, 10:49 AM

Alicia and Beth just came into the story 7 years ago, and they might not be around for much longer. J/K

I think they're still exist, from what Riful tells to Clare right after they left the northern. She indicate that even after Luciela died, there's still three (3) of them, which one refers to the twins that org created. And from what Miria ask to Audrey, the number 3 they save, Audrey herself state that Alicia is too unstable. Definitely a proof that Alicia still exist.

They might be the last boss for Clare & gang! :p

That sounds fun, but don't you think it's better if the final battle is battle of vengeance? A day for revenge for Clare that she'd waits for long time to kill Priscillia.

Noelle

01-10-2008, 11:13 AM

That sounds fun, but don't you think it's better if the final battle is battle of vengeance? A day for revenge for Clare that she'd waits for long time to kill Priscillia.
I personally think Priscilla will be the penultimate boss. And the organization will be the final one.

Priscilla is but the focus of Clare's quest for revenge, and of Ophelia's will. [Irene's was for Clare to live on]

But Miria and everyone else, want revenge on the organization. Or so she said. Majority want revenge on the organization; it seems likely that the organization itself will be the final boss, and we all know those black coats definitely are not human. It also doesn't make sense for the organization to be destroyed before Priscilla is - how about the other Awakened Beings and Yoma? Priscilla may be the prelude to the final ending in the last few chapters: after Priscilla's defeat, they encounter the organization, the one that every single one of them [the 7 renegades that is] want revenge on.

Lucha

01-10-2008, 11:46 AM

Noelle

01-10-2008, 11:57 AM

Well, since it's still too far too speculate, let's put it down for the moment. I mean with still 12-13 (perhaps) volumes to go, anything can happen. And it's gonna cost us 7 years more if it's really ends on volume 25 (1 month 1 chapter).
Yeah, I can die waiting... >_<

It's better to talk about the nearer future..., like what will happen to Galatea and Miata, any of them gonna died? Or perhaps Miata awakens? Any Idea?
I whole-heartedly worship Galatea in her shrine, but the author seems to be setting the stage for her death in my opinion. [I'm talking with my fangirl side restrained as much as possible here! >_<] Getting her left arm chopped off and being stabbed through the gut aren't really considered minor injuries. Come to think of it, the possibility of her Awakening is there [look at how Riful made Jean Awaken], if she has to use that much Yoki for regeneration.

Even if Agasa was defeated, Galatea still wouldn't be able to escape from Miata, would she? >.>"

Miata's Awakening is a little too predictable, though I'd like to see it, and we all know Claymore's full of surprises. But sometimes the simplest speculation is accurate, though...

pigpie

01-10-2008, 12:09 PM

If Twin B(Beth) is still in soul link mode with A(Alicia),I guess Beth will just stand there,become 3/4 more dumb since the only twin who has been talking is ALicia.(I am just talking nonsense),but if Alicia were to die,I guess Beth will also die,since their souls are link they act as one,it sounds plausible.

Sounds like a good game,Final Fantasy Claymore (abt The twins being boss).I can already imagine the fight between Clare and Ophelia with Raki,you will be constantly healing Raki and cursing the screen...Damn you Raki!!...Go to hell Ophelia!!! things like that.Or if it is an action,you control Raki and they say,Run around like a Wuss while Clare heals her freshly chopped legs courtesy of Ophelia,Sushi master before and protect Clare before Ophelia garnishes Clares leg.

Miata is quite likely not to awaken,well I guess because we never really seen her actually release her yoki yet,she has been using her senses,I think it is more pain for her because of heighten senses....ha!,,that would seriously suck.Maybe if Miata does awaken,Galatea will pull her back,if she isn't feeling bitchy after how Miata slice one of her arm and poke her in the stomach,Clarice should do something instead of becoming Raki No.2

Lucha

01-10-2008, 12:18 PM

Getting her left arm chopped off and being stabbed through the gut aren't really considered minor injuries. Come to think of it, the possibility of her Awakening is there [look at how Riful made Jean Awaken], if she has to use that much Yoki for regeneration.

If Galatea awakens, perhaps the rating of the manga will drop, considering there're so many of Galatea's fan. ^^!
I think she's too smart to awaken, Galatea is one with sharp mind, I can't imagine that she will even think about awakening, even on the verge of death.

The best scenario I think is, they're gonna saved by the 'Magnificent Seven' that across nearby.

The worst scenario I think is, yes, Galatea dies, sacrificing herself so Miata could kill Agasa.

Even if Agasa was defeated, Galatea still wouldn't be able to escape from Miata, would she? >.>"

Well, for this part, I think you don't need to worry, Miata suffers more damage now with her body pierced by Agasa. Too many hole to fix, yet she don't even try to evade any attack from Agasa. Too premature for her death. But with that body, no way she can owned Galatea.

Noelle

01-10-2008, 12:22 PM

The best scenario I think is, they're gonna saved by the 'Magnificent Seven' that across nearby.
I'd be shocked if they did - as Miria [or Clare] mentioned, they were heading South to find Raki, and Rabona is in the West. No reason for them to suddenly make such a detour.

The worst scenario I think is, yes, Galatea dies, sacrificing herself so Miata could kill Agasa.
Can Miata kill Agasa alone, [of course Clarice can't do anything] when Agasa has shown herself to be so intelligent and bitchy? :devil:

Maybe if Miata does awaken,Galatea will pull her back,if she isn't feeling bitchy after how Miata slice one of her arm and poke her in the stomach,Clarice should do something instead of becoming Raki No.2
I totally agree! :eban:

And your soul link theory is quite interesting. Never thought that one twin dying would mean the other ends up dead as well. :lol:

Lucha

01-10-2008, 12:42 PM

If Twin B(Beth) is still in soul link mode with A(Alicia),I guess Beth will just stand there,become 3/4 more dumb since the only twin who has been talking is ALicia.(I am just talking nonsense),but if Alicia were to die,I guess Beth will also die,since their souls are link they act as one,it sounds plausible.

Well, it's a good theory. Although for me, it's more like Beth wil gone berserk and awakens herself than die instantly. It's the soul in terms or their yoki that align, not their real soul or their wound.

But it's not like I don't agree with you about possibility of dying, but I prefer to think that Alicia will 'suck' all of Beth's yoki to heal herself before she was defeated. Thus cause either death for Beth or make her down unconscious. Or perhaps if Alicia don't die, both awakens... haha
Now that suits for final boss, both awakens... ^^

18fenrir

01-10-2008, 12:52 PM

If Alicia dies huh? Well.. taking Raphala and Luciela into account.. Probably the link would be broken and the sister be able to function normally. But that was when Luciela awakened and Rapheala couldn't control her, not if Luciela dies.

So in Alicia and Beth's case, their links are stronger considering also that they have been trained since young and are of twin sisters and also trained to be without "self" (debatable what that actually means). So i'd hazard a guess that should Alicia be KIA, Beth would probably suffer similar effects to her psyche, knowing death and being exposed to the sensation of it. But i'd doubt she would die or anything. Perhaps the backlash of those feelings will cause her awakening but that's a totally different matter.

Final Fantasy Claymore? Mmm.. i likee ;) But No Raki as main character.. not even a side kick! unless he reappears in the 7 year all cool like Sephiroth and possibly able to rival any progress that Clare and gang have made, i doubt so. thppppt bleh! xP

Lucha

01-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Final Fantasy Claymore? Mmm.. i likee ;) But No Raki as main character.. not even a side kick! unless he reappears in the 7 year all cool like Sephiroth and possibly able to rival any progress that Clare and gang have made, i doubt so. thppppt bleh! xP

Yea, if Raki is the main character for the game, we would get a game over right at the start of the game. Since no human strong enough to fight even a common yoma. And here's Raki fighting Priscillia or the Twins in the game. Just thinking of it makes me feel don't want to play.
The only good thing that deserve credit is that he's very loyal type and his determination.

18fenrir

01-10-2008, 01:13 PM

No.. but i can imagine.. a dating sim doujinshi with .. ra.. GAHHH!!

actually there already is one :p never tried it may be i should.. oh and the picture i posted of galatea and flora in school attire is from the.. date.. ing.. si..m.. >.< gah *MURDERS RAKI!*

pigpie

01-10-2008, 03:13 PM

Yea, if Raki is the main character for the game, we would get a game over right at the start of the game. Since no human strong enough to fight even a common yoma. And here's Raki fighting Priscillia or the Twins in the game. Just thinking of it makes me feel don't want to play.
The only good thing that deserve credit is that he's very loyal type and his determination.

His loyal and determination makes him resemble a leech,sucks onto people like a pest.I guess if he has a Limit Break he will keep whining and the enemy will get so irritated they just kill themselves

Guys...I just wrote another chapter of my story....after don't know how many millennium later...well hope you guys like it...

wany1981

01-10-2008, 04:19 PM

just notice how similar is raki compare to shiru in fate stay night. Both cry baby with near no power and try to protect the over powering chicks saving their lives.

Hynavian

01-10-2008, 04:32 PM

Fun Facts
Rubber is cheaper than Metal in the Claymore world.How do you know that?
The organization doesn't give Alicia metal armors, instead, they give them black rubber outfits. If metals are cheaper than armor, they should be able to afford replacing the metals all the time right.
Dulf is amazing in his own way as Riful loves him. God knows in what way!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Emoticons/b048a2d2.gifRiful doesn't really have a choice as he's the only one who can "accept her without breaking." She's stuck with him whether she likes it or not.
Geez, where's your sense of humor? :p
Riful doesn't really have a choice as he's the only one who can "accept her without breaking." She's stuck with him whether she likes it or not.Oh, she can always choose to abandon him. There are many others out there who’d probably die to have just one night with her, even if it would be their last night. :p
Yes, one of them would be chezkimo because the loli Riful is his favorite. He'll die trying to get her. (With a high possibility of not getting her) :lol:
Sounds like a good game,Final Fantasy Claymore (abt The twins being boss).I can already imagine the fight between Clare and Ophelia with Raki,you will be constantly healing Raki and cursing the screen...Damn you Raki!!...Go to hell Ophelia!!! things like that.Or if it is an action,you control Raki and they say,Run around like a Wuss while Clare heals her freshly chopped legs courtesy of Ophelia,Sushi master before and protect Clare before Ophelia garnishes Clares leg.
If Claymore does really goes "Final Fantasy Style", and if I do buy the game, here's what I'd do:

1. Equip Raki with auto-heal items or stock him with potions.
2. Use Ophelia and cast "mute" on him, so that he doesn't wails.
3. Use Ophelia and cast "Berserk" on the female AB so that she eats Raki faster.
4. Let either Ophelia or the female AB K.O. Raki, saves me the trouble of wasting potions & wasting money on the potions.
5. Not revive Raki at any point of the time, he's most useful when he's dead.
6. Select "Run" if Raki is my only character in the team & if he engages in any battle.
7. Place Raki in the front lines during hopeless battles, he can be their meat shield.
8. Add stats to his "dexterity" so that he can escape from battles faster. (Higher chance)
9. Kick Raki out of the team when there are other selectable characters.
10. Select "Quit" when Raki is the only playable character throughout.
Guys...I just wrote another chapter of my story....after don't know how many millennium later...well hope you guys like it...
Sure no problem, I'm a fan of your fanfic!

And WELCOME BACK Wany1981
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pigpie

01-10-2008, 05:08 PM

Duath

01-10-2008, 10:13 PM

I find it amazing how Riful can love a retard.One is smart the other is dumb.....But she really has no choice.Lets say she can only choose between the top 3 since the others are too weak for her....

Isley: Having an affair with Prissy...and prissy is a real *****.Because she doesn't click with Teresa she kills her,if she finds Riful screwing with Isley...it will be war of the tentacles...Metal Vs Meat.

Rigardo:Too much....I mean see how much he sticks to Isley...I think he is Isleys toy when Isley is feeling squirmy or when Prissy isn't free because she is screwing Raki.

Duff: Dumb....anytime can play with...maybe got tea party....since Rifulis a girl.Maybe Duff is a pedophile *gasp*

Wow, thats an interesting post... Who would think that we would examine the possible relationships that Riful could have? Anyway, it would be extremely intersting if Raki and Prissy got together, I wonder what Clare would do... *wishes he had some of Hyn's emotes*

Ahh, the possibilities :devil:

Darkwing Bahamut

01-10-2008, 11:20 PM

Final Fantasy Claymore? Mmm.. i likee ;) But No Raki as main character.. not even a side kick! unless he reappears in the 7 year all cool like Sephiroth and possibly able to rival any progress that Clare and gang have made, i doubt so. thppppt bleh! xP
Ha. A Claymore action-RPG could be fun... but yeah, NOT with Raki as the main character.

Yea, if Raki is the main character for the game, we would get a game over right at the start of the game. Since no human strong enough to fight even a common yoma. And here's Raki fighting Priscillia or the Twins in the game. Just thinking of it makes me feel don't want to play.
The only good thing that deserve credit is that he's very loyal type and his determination.
Unless he's a Claymore. :p

Meh, most main chars in RPGs start off weak anyways, which is why there's always so much levelling up & grinding involved.

just notice how similar is raki compare to shiru in fate stay night. Both cry baby with near no power and try to protect the over powering chicks saving their lives.
Notice how those types of characters always manage to pull off something unrealistically heroic in the end and then we're just expected to forgive them for all their past incompetence.:mad:

But Claymore isn't Fate/Stay Night... not really.

The organization doesn't give Alicia metal armors, instead, they give them black rubber outfits. If metals are cheaper than armor, they should be able to afford replacing the metals all the time right.Probably not that much cheaper they'd want to replace them every time Alicia awakens.

pigpie

01-11-2008, 06:18 AM

The Olsen twins do not have to change their clothes....I guess their rubber is super elastic....I think Alicia will feel slight discomfort when awaken,very constraint.I guess all Beth is really doing is telling her sister.....don't worry,the tighties will make you slimmer.

Anyway I really hope the next chapter Agasa will go for a haircut and maybe go for gardening lessons to make her small paradise more pleasant looking.A little Rose here and Lily there,maybe built a small pond and let Koi fishes breed inside,than she will also build her own mansion than of course doesn't have doors or else it will really hurt when someone visits her and slam the door against her hair.

SilentBuddhist

01-11-2008, 06:31 AM

Perhaps that should be one of your next chapters? :D

Tensa Zangetsu

01-11-2008, 06:52 AM

Indeed, I just read some of pigpies storys...funny how I never noticed them before >.>

I like rpg games or strategy games....leveling up claymores?....sounds fun

Dulf a pedophile? Thats a new one....but possible? :eek:

Noelle

01-11-2008, 07:47 AM

Pigpie! Nice chapter update, it helped me laugh! :D You could do one on your latest post, I'd love to see what Agasa's been up to for the past few years...

Final Fantasy Claymore...?

I agree with everyone, that Raki cannot be the protagonist. Neither can Clarice. I'll probably just drop dead trying to train her to a decent level of combat. >.>"

Wouldn't Claymore be more fit for those action/RPG games like Dungeon Siege?

MP = Yoki

While MP starts from x number and goes down upon repeated usage, Yoki starts from 0 and goes up.

When MP hits 0 all skills requiring MP cannot be used, when Yoki hits x number [which is 100%] the character Awakens and becomes one of the many penultimate bosses you can fight in side-quests.

HP = HP

Self-explanatory.

0/Total HP = Killed.

Duh.

Stats follow the Databook stats ratio.

And can be upped as you level along.

Offensive Claymores have naturally higher attack than Defensives.
Defensive Claymores have a faster Yoki & HP regeneration rate but lower attack.

... Hmm, that's all I can think of for now. :devil:

SilentBuddhist

01-11-2008, 08:03 AM

Fascinating! I'll try and add from there...

When leveling up, the stats will increase at better rates for the following:

Offensives: Attack, speed, yoki power, MP

Defensives: HP, Defense, yoki control (?)

((Forgive me, for I haven't checked the databook in awhile :p))

If you kill a human, it would not automatically be game-over. Instead, your comrades will immediately attack you mercilessly until you die.

Humans, such as Raki, or failures such as Clarice will not aid you in battle, but can nonetheless be support units (think FF III, though to a much smaller extent)

...That's it for now :lol:

Noelle

01-11-2008, 08:19 AM

Adding on to SB's stuff! :devil:

Offensives: Attack, speed, Yoki power, MP Hoi! Claymores don't have MP! XD. Agility & Sensing/Perception as well?

Defensives: HP, Defense, Regeneration speed, Yoki control Mental, I think that's what the Databook put. Sensing/Perception?

If you kill a human, it would not automatically be game-over. Instead, your comrades will immediately attack you mercilessly until you die.
However, if you manage to kill all your comrades in the vicinity, you will be safe for the time being. But for every single comrade you meet after that, you will have to fight and win them, on top of the Yoma & Awakened Beings that will be assaulting you.

Humans, such as Raki, or failures such as Clarice will not aid you in battle, but can nonetheless be support units (think FF III, though to a much smaller extent)
Or they can be your talking Chocobos... but your normal walking speed would probably be faster than them. >.>" Well, they can help to carry items in case it's item overload in your inventory too. :D

Unlike the manga and anime, claymores come in many different shapes and sizes, with different decorations, attack strength and attributes, even elemental ones. The compounding system in most games is also applicable to your armor and claymore.

pigpie

01-11-2008, 08:48 AM

I would rather actually have a Claymore action game.And you can choose characters as in which one to use during diff scenario.Lets say battle between Ophy and Clare.Play as Clare,Raki or Ophy.Clare will have a button mashing system,pump pump pump yoki to heal legs.Raki will have to survive for 30 seconds of the fight with Ophy.Ophy will try to chase Raki around and must at least damage 70 percent of his life.Or the fight between Teresa and the 4 gals.As Teresa you must knock out all the enemy,as the other 4 you just keep chasing Teresa and try to hit her at least once which is super tough without geting too much damage.As Clare all you have to do is stand there and do nothing...if you have a microphone all you have to do is whimper.....

But to add onto the FF version.

Fallen Comrades can be summoned in battle.Like Teresa,Jean etc.Of course Teresa will require high level characters to summon unless its Clare due to the emotional bond.Teresa will do a 99% damage to characters after which the user will get a 50% fall in resistance level in which the Claymore might awaken unless they are given pills to redunce their yoki to increase the resistance.Getting below 10% of resistance,characters will suddenly become superstrong due to awakening and only skilled players can control this kind of gameplay.Meaning doing this at the end of a battle to deliver last blow to baddies ending the battle in the nick of time to prevent awakening

See my Pic....that is how Helen will look like years and years later......I drew it so it isn't too good..http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3496/ascan004copycb7.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascan004copycb7.jpg)