KHR: Random Theories, Ideas & Speculation

[Aurora]

As the title states, discuss all random, simple theories and the like in here.
This is a multipurpose thread for all random speculations/theories that do not need individual threads for discussions, so the next time you have a random idea which is not too heavy and has lighter backing, post it in here since there's no need to make a separate thread to discuss it in.

[Harlan Phoenix]

Fong is totally Hibari's dad.

[losthero15]

And I-pin is Fong's adopted daughter. *Shudders* I-pin is in love with her big brother awakward

[Gilphon]

So, my speculations about the carnage releases we haven't seen:
Bluebell: We know she can turn into water, so it should be an animal with a higher than normal water content. Add to that the tranquility from the Rain aspect, and a badass ability that can be exaggerated, and what you get is a jellyfish. If so, I'm kind of terrified of she her, seeing as real jellyfish can almost kill you with a single touch, and that Torikabuto and Daisy had highly exaggerated versions of their animal's ability.
Zakuro: Thinking about heat-related animals, I came up with the Mourning Dove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourning_Dove), which, although it doesn't say it on the wikipedia article for some reason, has the ability to almost double its body heat, which could fit nicely with what we know about Zakuro. Problems with this are the fact that it's a game bird, meaning it's unsuitable for the Storm aspect, and that this ability is kind of to little-known.
Kikyou: We've only seen him use plants, for it would make sense for him to be some kind of plant which grows very quickly. Possibly something poisonous. *shrugs*
Ghost: We know so little about Ghost that it's hard to guess. Possibly an electric eel to tie in with the Thunder attribute.
Byakuran: (if he has one) It would have to be something smart. I'd suggest a crow if it didn't clash with his colour scheme. Maybe an Arctic Fox.

[losthero15]

For Zakuro, since Dino's Pegasus made mytical animals possible, I think he will turn into a hell hound. It fits his relentless personality. He is the kind of guy who would follow his prey to the ends of the earth.

[Lucis]

I bet that when they comment on Zakuro, Kikyo and Bluebell being superior to Daisy and Torikabuto also applies to box weapons. Daisy gains lizard-like capabilities, while Torikabuto gains moth-like wings and dust-emitting capabilities. My guess is that Zakuro gains magma-like capabilities, Bluebell water-like capabilities, Kikyo will gain plant-like capabilities and Ghost will gain electricity-like capabilities. They will be able to become pure manifestations of their elements (Bluebell turning into water and such)
I have given up on guessing Byakuran's power. He is too much of an oddball

[Pepsidog]

Didnt know where to put this, but while i was doing a light reread i found a picture with Lal Mirch's arcoboleno form during the battle with the Varia.

http://beta.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/118/11/

.... not sure where you are going with this

[bludvein]

.... not sure where you are going with this

I deleted it because i didnt see that there was an Arcoboleno thread, ill post it there

[Mayora]

Hey, what do you people think about the 4 last Millefiore transformation?
We know that Daisy was an animal, the Mist guardian an insect and now Zakuro is a T-Rex.

What Kikyou, Bluebell, Ghost and Byakuran will be?

Personally I think:
-Kikyou: a man-eating plant (lol)
-Bluebell: I don't know
-Ghost: Maybe a ghost??
-Byakuran: I'm sure about this: he'll be in an angel form !! We saw it here: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/261/18/
I'll love it if Byakuran transform himself in an angel, he'll be so badass!

Don't you agree?

[White Zangetsu]

Hey, what do you people think about the 4 last Millefiore transformation?
We know that Daisy was an animal, the Mist guardian an insect and now Zakuro is a T-Rex.

What Kikyou, Bluebell, Ghost and Byakuran will be?

Personally I think:
-Kikyou: a man-eating plant (lol)
-Bluebell: I don't know
-Ghost: Maybe a ghost??
-Byakuran: I'm sure about this: he'll be in an angel form !! We saw it here: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/261/18/
I'll love it if Byakuran transform himself in an angel, he'll be so badass!

Don't you agree?

Actually, I agree with Byyakuran transforming into an Angel would be pretty cool.
For the other Funeral Wreaths, they can be anything really. Although Ghost being a Ghost would be unlikely. Bluebell could be some kind of quick little animal.

[losthero15]

Byakuran as an angle would be pretty awsome and would cover his method of flight since everyone Tsuna fights needs to fly.

I think Bluebell will turn into some giant monster, since 9 times out of ten that is what the little girl does in manga.

[Mayora]

Byakuran as an angle would be pretty awsome and would cover his method of flight since everyone Tsuna fights needs to fly.

I think Bluebell will turn into some giant monster, since 9 times out of ten that is what the little girl does in manga.

If she turns into some giant monster, I hope she doesn't have tentacle... (Who said Chrome will love it?)

Byakuran in Angel... I'm lovin' it xD

[dcgh010]

bluebell will be a squirrel and fight lambo lol

[Nekron]

This isn't really a theory, I just wanted to whine about one of my pet peeves for this manga—
Bianchi should be a guardian. Yeah. You heard me. If not for the Ten-year bazooka, Lambo would suck, and Bianchi would be the definite candidate. Same applies to Chrome and Mukurou. She would make a good mist, especially when you think about that poison cooking transformation she had way back when.

[Pepsidog]

This isn't really a theory, I just wanted to whine about one of my pet peeves for this manga—
Bianchi should be a guardian. Yeah. You heard me. If not for the Ten-year bazooka, Lambo would suck, and Bianchi would be the definite candidate. Same applies to Chrome and Mukurou. She would make a good mist, especially when you think about that poison cooking transformation she had way back when.

... If anything Bianchi would replace Gokudera, considering she has a Storm wavelength, and since Gokudera has shot fire at a T-rex, well, you just can't beat that.

Edit: WITH A BOW

[Nekron]

I meant she should have been in there since the beginning. I don't think it's been established that she's storm, but even so, mist would be equally appropriate for a poisoner.

[Pepsidog]

I meant she should have been in there since the beginning. I don't think it's been established that she's storm, but even so, mist would be equally appropriate for a poisoner.

http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/160/07/

Unfortunately, it has been established.

[gamer1973]

i dont think bianchi wouldnt be one of the guardians chosen before
first, Tsuna doesnt have any special relations at all with her
and second, Reborn wouldnt choose her

[Nekron]

http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/160/07/

Unfortunately, it has been established.

Still, the storm or mist could be secondary. They could have inherited storm and the capacity for multiple types from their father, and their extra types from their mothers. Just a thought.

[Harlan Phoenix]

I meant she should have been in there since the beginning. I don't think it's been established that she's storm, but even so, mist would be equally appropriate for a poisoner.

Because working with fatal poison totally translates to creating illusions.

[cuhwism]

Still, the storm or mist could be secondary. They could have inherited storm and the capacity for multiple types from their father, and their extra types from their mothers. Just a thought.

a guardian of certain flame must have that flame to be their main flame
If it's not their main flame, well what a shame

[Mayora]

Plus, Bianchi is too old to be a guardian. C'mon, Reborn said that the Vongola guardian powers are unlimited because they are youngs and can progress. Bianchi can't progress like them.

[gamer1973]

Plus, Bianchi is too old to be a guardian. C'mon, Reborn said that the Vongola guardian powers are unlimited because they are youngs and can progress. Bianchi can't progress like them.

Tsuna's family is the youngest of all the Vongola in its history

[Mayora]

Tsuna's family is the youngest of all the Vongola in its history

That's why Bianchi doesn't suit them.

[gamer1973]

Plus, Bianchi is too old to be a guardian. C'mon, Reborn said that the Vongola guardian powers are unlimited because they are youngs and can progress. Bianchi can't progress like them.

That's why Bianchi doesn't suit them.

i ment that Tsuna's family is young not that they develop but that its just pure coincidence, plus Bianchi has no relations to Tsuna

[Nekron]

Alright already, I recognize the unpopularity of this theory. I'm certainly not going to try to defend it anymore.
Here's my newest theory: Use of the Possession Bullet gave Mukurou his six skills.
There's not a lot of factual basis for it, but it makes sense, because he's moving through different lives. Of course the main reason I came up with this is because if Tsuna got shot with it, he could become much more powerful by gaining some of Mukurou's skills. (This would also work for Chrome.)

[gamer1973]

Alright already, I recognize the unpopularity of this theory. I'm certainly not going to try to defend it anymore.
Here's my newest theory: Use of the Possession Bullet gave Mukurou his six skills.
There's not a lot of factual basis for it, but it makes sense, because he's moving through different lives. Of course the main reason I came up with this is because if Tsuna got shot with it, he could become much more powerful by gaining some of Mukurou's skills. (This would also work for Chrome.)

the next person would say: "TSUNA IS TOO POWERFULL TO GAIN MORE POWER"
also, Chrome is already possessed with some freewill inside her (or something like that)

nice theory though, it could happen but not so likely

[losthero15]

The possesion bullet only works on those that are compatible with it ( I assume that means high level mist users) If someone who is imcompatible is hit with it they would die

[Nekron]

the next person would say: "TSUNA IS TOO POWERFULL TO GAIN MORE POWER"
also, Chrome is already possessed with some freewill inside her (or something like that)

nice theory though, it could happen but not so likely

The reason I think this could work is because:
1: Byakuran must be an incredibly powerful fighter, for all sorts of reasons. Therefore Tsuna will have to grow stronger to defeat him.
2: Here are the qualities necessary to use the bullet: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/76/13/
Notice "affinity" there. I connect that with "synchronization", the power of the Sky. Also, "strong will", or resolution. Tsuna has a powerful ring flame.
Therefore, Tsuna would be able to use the bullet. Assuming that the bullet is indeed essentially Mist, that would apply to Chrome as well.
3: If Chrome is the target(more likely given her relationship with Mukuro), she would need a power-up to be useful, especially given the (currently) useless nature of her box.

[cuhwism]

The reason I think this could work is because:
1: Byakuran must be an incredibly powerful fighter, for all sorts of reasons. Therefore Tsuna will have to grow stronger to defeat him.

If the way tsuna get stronger is by using a bullet, it'd be a bullet from leon
specifically made for tsuna's requirement

[losthero15]

Speaking about special bullets, I remembered this (http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/89/15/)

Collonello should not be the only one who can pass his skills onto one of the guardians. This seems to be a set up for an Arconbaleno training set up.

[munozjesse97]

I am a little excited to see the battle between Byakuran and Tsuna. I would like to know what Tsuna's Vongola Box weapon is? His powers and the First's powers are essentially the same, and I will assume that Tsuna has figured out some techniques that the First never thought of seeing that he mastered Zero Point Breakthrough in a shorter time than he did, and I would imagine that if the First had the X Burner that he wouldn't have ran to Japan from the Second. Anyway, I am expecting some sort of power boost. Maybe some X Shoes (kidding). But really, perhaps it is a different set of gloves or Tsuna's Hyper Intuition is boosted. It has to be a power boost.

[Harlan Phoenix]

His cloak.

[White Zangetsu]

I am a little excited to see the battle between Byakuran and Tsuna. I would like to know what Tsuna's Vongola Box weapon is? His powers and the First's powers are essentially the same, and I will assume that Tsuna has figured out some techniques that the First never thought of seeing that he mastered Zero Point Breakthrough in a shorter time than he did, and I would imagine that if the First had the X Burner that he wouldn't have ran to Japan from the Second. Anyway, I am expecting some sort of power boost. Maybe some X Shoes (kidding). But really, perhaps it is a different set of gloves or Tsuna's Hyper Intuition is boosted. It has to be a power boost.

It's Mantello di Vongola Primo. Which is the Cloak of the First Vongola. It is attached to a metal plate on his X-Gloves and bears the roman numeral I

[bludvein]

I am a little excited to see the battle between Byakuran and Tsuna. I would like to know what Tsuna's Vongola Box weapon is? His powers and the First's powers are essentially the same, and I will assume that Tsuna has figured out some techniques that the First never thought of seeing that he mastered Zero Point Breakthrough in a shorter time than he did, and I would imagine that if the First had the X Burner that he wouldn't have ran to Japan from the Second. Anyway, I am expecting some sort of power boost. Maybe some X Shoes (kidding). But really, perhaps it is a different set of gloves or Tsuna's Hyper Intuition is boosted. It has to be a power boost.

He has already shown his box weapon as others have said. Where did you think the little lion came from? or were you referring to the cloak he changes into?

At any rate, I wouldnt put much stock into the Vongola First hiding from the Second. More than likely it was just some drivel made up by Xanxus to boast about his flame.

[kiddeadpool]

does it seem like Tsuna will harmonize with Ghost and petrify him. point blank it seems like Ghost is equivalent to the mosca that was in Varia arc that served as Xanxas's cloud guardian. in other words it just seems like the best and only way to beat an entity that is pure energy and because he seems to be a pure mass of flames, then Ghost will be petrified and we might see another form of Nuts that everyone expects to have lol.

[Gilphon]

does it seem like Tsuna will harmonize with Ghost and petrify him. point blank it seems like Ghost is equivalent to the mosca that was in Varia arc that served as Xanxas's cloud guardian. in other words it just seems like the best and only way to beat an entity that is pure energy and because he seems to be a pure mass of flames, then Ghost will be petrified and we might see another form of Nuts that everyone expects to have lol.

We've never seen anyone petrify flames, only people and animals. There's a good chance that the harmonization won't work against a creature of pure flame.

[Harlan Phoenix]

Has...it been stated Ghost is made of pure dying will flames?

Because it's kind of impossible that an intangible being would be made out of energy SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO SOLIDIFY.

[Gilphon]

You have a point there, Harlan. We've all been assuming that he's made entirely of flames, but we don't know it for a fact.

That said, just because Lighting flames can solidify things, doesn't mean they are always solid. Kind of like how even Sky flames can harmonizes with things, they aren't doing so constantly. Also, I get the feeling that an attack without any kind of flame wouldn't pass through him. Sure, it probably wouldn't do any damage, but still.

[Harlan Phoenix]

You have a point there, Harlan. We've all been assuming that he's made entirely of flames, but we don't know it for a fact.

I'm calling it now. Ectoplasm.

That said, just because Lighting flames can solidify things, doesn't mean they are always solid.

Uh...if a sentient construct is made out of these flames, then yes, he would be tangible. Otherwise he couldn't move. It's not like the flames would have a body to flow through, his body would be the flames.

Kind of like how even Sky flames can harmonizes with things, they aren't doing so constantly.

Sky Flames also don't have to support your entire body and constantly keep you alive. Ghost is a literal ghost who can use flames, not a construct made of flames. You know how a ghost would be an effective fighter? By solidifying with Thunder Flames.

Also, I get the feeling that an attack without any kind of flame wouldn't pass through him.

Except he's, you know, intangible.

Sure, it probably wouldn't do any damage, but still.

Because he's intangible.

[Juan]

Quick Question: If Colonello took Lal's place for the Rain pacifier.. shouldnt she generally be using rain element boxes?... and yea i know multi flames can flow through a person but i think she just used cloud/storm so far seems wierd to me

[Gilphon]

Quick Question: If Colonello took Lal's place for the Rain pacifier.. shouldnt she generally be using rain element boxes?... and yea i know multi flames can flow through a person but i think she just used cloud/storm so far seems wierd to me

Lal's flame type was change from Rain to Mist/Cloud as a side effect of her failure to become an arcobaleno, so she uses Mist and Cloud boxes. She can still use Rain flames at the cost of her life force, but that's understandably not something she wants to do every time she open a box.

[Kodiac]

Yah Lal was a successful failure, LOL.

[genkishi]

Fong is totally Hibari's dad.

let's hope 4r it 2 b true.:eban:

[Mashiba Hachimon]

Anybody here wondered if Reborn was The Sun Arcobaleno's Real Name??? Because i was looking up what Reborn could be a definition to; and the name Renée came up (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renee). But that's more towards a girls name. As I read on, I found the name Renatus (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renatus) and look at what it says in the first line- Renatus is a first name of Latin origin which means "born again" (natus = born). In countries of Italian, Portuguese and Spanish languages it exists in a masculine and feminine form i.e., Renato and Renata.- So I think Reborn's real name might actually be either Renatus or Renato. What do you guys think about this???

[losthero15]

Well Reborn did say he had Shamal wipe away his entire old life after he recieved the curse, so he most likely did change his name too. Does anyone if the other Arcobaleno callwd him Reborn before the curse?

[Harlan Phoenix]

I believe the closest was Luche calling Reborn "paranoid hitman."

So no.

[munozjesse97]

His cloak.
I completely forgot that was the Cambio Forma. I may need to re-read this arc...

[Kazutoe]

I'm starting to believe that attacks aren't going through Ghost, but rather, he's sort of solidifying the path and trajectory of the attack with his flames as well as his opponent's to deflect them. There should be an invisible field of flame energy surrounding him, sort of like two other of the Funeral Wreathes. His type of flame could be very special, maybe very pure and rare. Maybe it's so rare that it actually solidifies flames around people? Like, flames that are solidified just disappear or something. I think that maybe the Green Pacifier Arcobaleno might be behind Ghost. Perhaps in another reality, he created Ghost to test out some of his anti-Vongola stuff.

Another theory of mine is that Byakuran has a bullet that allows him to channel his powers to be able to communicate with his other selves. I don't think it's a constant thing, but merely only the present and a few moments into the future. As a result, wings are grown; these wings allow him to travel successfully and communicate. I think Byakuran, if he has a hell box, is going to be human-like that turns demon-like when attacking or something. It sort of resembles his personality- He seems nice at first, but he's rotten to the core once we examine him.

I think Yamamoto and Bianchi will fight Byakuran, with Tsuna fighting Ghost. Yamamoto will lose, but Tsuna will lead Ghost over to them. Then, somehow, all of the Vongola family are together and pull off a super-awesome-crazy-special attack because they called upon all generations of Vongola or something. Byakuran survives and Ghost just dodges like crazy. Then everyone explodes because it was all a dream. That would be a stupid ending, but dreams happen.

Maybe Tsuna's other ring could be given to Gokudera and he'd use it to maximize his bow. I don't think Gokudera has really strong sun flames, if I'm correct. With the other ring Tsuna has, Gokudera could utilize Uri without Ryohei and could use very fast bows of light.

Uh... I think Fong will make a guest appearance as a chef or something.

[Kodiac]

I'm starting to believe that attacks aren't going through Ghost, but rather, he's sort of solidifying the path and trajectory of the attack with his flames as well as his opponent's to deflect them. There should be an invisible field of flame energy surrounding him, sort of like two other of the Funeral Wreathes. His type of flame could be very special, maybe very pure and rare. Maybe it's so rare that it actually solidifies flames around people? Like, flames that are solidified just disappear or something. I think that maybe the Green Pacifier Arcobaleno might be behind Ghost. Perhaps in another reality, he created Ghost to test out some of his anti-Vongola stuff.

Another theory of mine is that Byakuran has a bullet that allows him to channel his powers to be able to communicate with his other selves. I don't think it's a constant thing, but merely only the present and a few moments into the future. As a result, wings are grown; these wings allow him to travel successfully and communicate. I think Byakuran, if he has a hell box, is going to be human-like that turns demon-like when attacking or something. It sort of resembles his personality- He seems nice at first, but he's rotten to the core once we examine him.

I think Yamamoto and Bianchi will fight Byakuran, with Tsuna fighting Ghost. Yamamoto will lose, but Tsuna will lead Ghost over to them. Then, somehow, all of the Vongola family are together and pull off a super-awesome-crazy-special attack because they called upon all generations of Vongola or something. Byakuran survives and Ghost just dodges like crazy. Then everyone explodes because it was all a dream. That would be a stupid ending, but dreams happen.

Maybe Tsuna's other ring could be given to Gokudera and he'd use it to maximize his bow. I don't think Gokudera has really strong sun flames, if I'm correct. With the other ring Tsuna has, Gokudera could utilize Uri without Ryohei and could use very fast bows of light.

Uh... I think Fong will make a guest appearance as a chef or something.

Sir, you are brain damaged.

[Gilphon]

^no need to be rude. There are many crazier theories out there. I'm pretty sure he was joking about some of the sillier parts though. (like it all being a dream)

That said, while I like the idea of Verde having a hand in Ghost's creation, it's all baseless speculation aside from the first paragraph.

[onionsoup]

Reborn is the man who came back from death. I would like to see him using his sun attribute flames to reborn(regenerate his whole body after being killed) x.x

[Harlan Phoenix]

I'm randomly betting that the Arcobaleno will eventually home tutor the Guardians.

Hibari will get Fong, because he is Hibari's dad and must teach his Cloudy son to unleash the Storm brewing within him.

Gokudera will get Verde, because weapons.

Lambo gets Skull, because I have a faint belief God still loves me.

[losthero15]

I'm randomly betting that the Arcobaleno will eventually home tutor the Guardians.

Hibari will get Fong, because he is Hibari's dad and must teach his Cloudy son to unleash the Storm brewing within him.

Gokudera will get Verde, because weapons.

Lambo gets Skull, because I have a faint belief God still loves me.

Almost guarenteed. If I remember correctly all of the Arcobaleno have special bullets to pass on techniques. That seems like a set-up for a special tudoring class to me.

[Pepsidog]

If I remember correctly all of the Arcobaleno have special bullets to pass on techniques.

Source? I can't seem to recall this being explicitly stated (or even vaguely implied to be honest) in the manga. I was under the impression it was a Colonello/Possibly Lal thing only.

[Harlan Phoenix]

Source? I can't seem to recall this being explicitly stated (or even vaguely implied to be honest) in the manga. I was under the impression it was a Colonello/Possibly Lal thing only.

Colonello used a bullet to pass on techniques?

[munozjesse97]

Colonello used a bullet to pass on techniques?
Yeah. During the Varia ark Colonello shot Ryuhei with his "special bullet" which allowed Ryuhei to learn Colonello's special attack. Ryuhei ended up using it to win. It is called "Maximum Cannon". You can't miss it since he uses it a lot.

[losthero15]

^ That is right. Here is the actual page: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/89/15/

[Harlan Phoenix]

Yeah. During the Varia ark Colonello shot Ryuhei with his "special bullet" which allowed Ryuhei to learn Colonello's special attack. Ryuhei ended up using it to win. It is called "Maximum Cannon". You can't miss it since he uses it a lot.

I remember the technique, genius.

The use of a bullet escaped me.

[munozjesse97]

I remember the technique, genius.

The use of a bullet escaped me.
Excuse me I was just trying to answer your question. No need to get snappy.

[makaielite]

Has anyone speculated that the ring that the tenth received from lancia was a hell ring?

[Pepsidog]

Has anyone speculated that the ring that the tenth received from lancia was a hell ring?
The appearance of all the hell rings has been shown and I don't believe it looked like one.

Most likely it is a ring of the Sky attribute though.

[hjlh7523]

no they only showed what the mist rings look like nothing else

[gamer1973]

http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/216/02/
Iries states that whats left of the Hell rings are all mist rings "of this world"
There might be a possible chance that a Sky hell ring might exist in the present time...

http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/136/04/
It looks like a yin yang symbol

[Pepsidog]

Huh. It is a Yinyang symbol. That's actually pretty interesting, I'm betting it'll play a role in this Byakuran battle. Being the symbol of 'balance' maybe it'll 'balance' out the power difference.

[gamer1973]

Huh. It is a Yinyang symbol. That's actually pretty interesting, I'm betting it'll play a role in this Byakuran battle. Being the symbol of 'balance' maybe it'll 'balance' out the power difference.

if Lancia's ring given to Tsuna is a hell ring, and that effect happens, wonder if Tsuna's personality changes....OH CRAP, IF AMANO READS THIS, DONT BLAME ME....

[Pepsidog]

if Lancia's ring given to Tsuna is a hell ring, and that effect happens, wonder if Tsuna's personality changes....OH CRAP, IF AMANO READS THIS, DONT BLAME ME....

IT IS NOT A HELL RING

Oh God, how could anyone possibly come to this conclusion?

[Harlan Phoenix]

Huh. It is a Yinyang symbol. That's actually pretty interesting, I'm betting it'll play a role in this Byakuran battle. Being the symbol of 'balance' maybe it'll 'balance' out the power difference.

You know, I probably would not hate that.

[munozjesse97]

It sort of looks like the yin-yang symbol but it also looks like a snake or something... It is possible since, one, it was traced when Tsuna and Gokudera went in to the future and Lancia said that "it is my boss's treasure. It isn't as strong as a Vongola Ring.." implying that it does have some sort of importance. If I remember correctly as well, Mukuro was in Lancia's familia so it is possible that is where he found his hell rings. If it's a hell ring then what box will it go to? Maybe in to Tsuna's sky box and Nuts will transform in to a bloody rampaging lion that spits up infernos, killing Byakuran. Or maybe an awesome Cambio Forma will be born. I would rather enjoy seeing a vicious lion for a change rather than a smart dolphin or a glowing kangaroo.

[Pepsidog]

It sort of looks like the yin-yang symbol but it also looks like a snake or something... It is possible since, one, it was traced when Tsuna and Gokudera went in to the future and Lancia said that "it is my boss's treasure. It isn't as strong as a Vongola Ring.." implying that it does have some sort of importance. If I remember correctly as well, Mukuro was in Lancia's familia so it is possible that is where he found his hell rings. If it's a hell ring then what box will it go to? Maybe in to Tsuna's sky box and Nuts will transform in to a bloody rampaging lion that spits up infernos, killing Byakuran. Or maybe an awesome Cambio Forma will be born. I would rather enjoy seeing a vicious lion for a change rather than a smart dolphin or a glowing kangaroo.

Well first of all, it looks exactly like a Yin Yang symbol, I have never seen a circular snake before. Second IT IS NOT A HELL RING. SERIOUSLY.

[gamer1973]

IT IS NOT A HELL RING

Oh God, how could anyone possibly come to this conclusion?
i said "IF"

It sort of looks like the yin-yang symbol but it also looks like a snake or something... It is possible since, one, it was traced when Tsuna and Gokudera went in to the future and Lancia said that "it is my boss's treasure. It isn't as strong as a Vongola Ring.." implying that it does have some sort of importance. If I remember correctly as well, Mukuro was in Lancia's familia so it is possible that is where he found his hell rings. If it's a hell ring then what box will it go to? Maybe in to Tsuna's sky box and Nuts will transform in to a bloody rampaging lion that spits up infernos, killing Byakuran. Or maybe an awesome Cambio Forma will be born. I would rather enjoy seeing a vicious lion for a change rather than a smart dolphin or a glowing kangaroo.

I dont think the hell rings have a box weapon
Genkishi used his mist ring on one of the box weapon inventor's personal creation

Right now, i don't see any purpose of the ring
unless theres some impossible last minute plot twist about it, don't expect it

[munozjesse97]

i said "IF"



I dont think the hell rings have a box weapon
Genkishi used his mist ring on one of the box weapon inventor's personal creation

Right now, i don't see any purpose of the ring
unless theres some impossible last minute plot twist about it, don't expect it
No I am saying that Tsuna uses the suppposed hell ring on his Vongola Sky box and Nuts, well, turns nuts and infernoes stream out of his mouth, killing Byakuran, etc. How cool would that be, Nuts going nuts?

[animenga]

He did transform, but no exactly an angel.

[Katierox342]

hmmm Random theories?...well for one I think someone should just plain out stab or shoot Byakuran, 'cause all this box weapon stuff is beginning to miff me off. Let's see, Tsuna already swore that he would destroy the Vongola name with his own hands, before the past bosses accepted him (ODD) I think he might just return the ring to the ninth if he makes it out alive, and say something along the lines of wanting nothing to do with the mafia from the beginning, and now that he knows he can barely take care of his family knows he shouldn't be the tenth. I don't know exactly how it might play out from there, but it's a theory that's been nagging at me for a bit.

[Noc and NC]

hmmm Random theories?...well for one I think someone should just plain out stab or shoot Byakuran, 'cause all this box weapon stuff is beginning to miff me off. Let's see, Tsuna already swore that he would destroy the Vongola name with his own hands, before the past bosses accepted him (ODD) I think he might just return the ring to the ninth if he makes it out alive, and say something along the lines of wanting nothing to do with the mafia from the beginning, and now that he knows he can barely take care of his family knows he shouldn't be the tenth. I don't know exactly how it might play out from there, but it's a theory that's been nagging at me for a bit.

That's some nice speculation. I personally would love it if they got rid of the rings and boxes all together. I miss the days when people fought with guns and the occasional stick of dynamite...

[Katierox342]

Oh another one I just remembered. Tsuna's side has been more of less ignored throughout the generations because the Italian vongola blood has been just fine, and they only need him now as an heir. According to Gokudera's situation though, the illegitemite child should be more or less ignored. Isn't the entire Japanese line more or less made up of illegitemite descendants of the primo? So...Tsuna has no right to be the tenth...plot holes XO

[Noc and NC]

But well, the Vongola pretty much NEED an heir, and Tsuna is supposedly the only one remaining (though I don't see why his dad couldn't do it instead). Hayato is the illegitimate child of a family that just happens to be involved in mafia business, so its not like he's necessary or anything.

[hjlh7523]

after this arc i bet that he finally get a date with his dream girls
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[Neomistress]

I understand where the names vongola and mare come into the story. Vongola means clam and mare means sea, though you all probably knew that. With this new chapter it makes sense now.

[gamer1973]

Isnt it ironic how Lanchia's ring which has a dragon, blocked Byakuran's white dragon attack?

[Harlan Phoenix]

Isnt it ironic how Lanchia's ring which has a dragon, blocked Byakuran's white dragon attack?

Ironic wouldn't be the word I'd pick.

You know who I want to be the big end boss of the series? The ultimate bad guy?

Demon Spade. Not even kidding.

[munozjesse97]

Who is Demon Spade?

[Echoes]

Demon Spade as in Demon Spade Evil/Demon Lens(Cambio Forma of Mokuro the owl)?

[Harlan Phoenix]

Who is Demon Spade?

Original Mist Guardian. Or that's his assumed name.

[Jetli32]

Tsuna is the only heir with vongola blood because xanxus killed the others before the varia arc. If tsuna and the rest of the guardians get to keep their boxes and the rings as they are now, they'll be massive hack characters if they go to the past and hibari will begin an unstoppable reign of terror on namimori.

[Harlan Phoenix]

Tsuna is the only heir with vongola blood because xanxus killed the others before the varia arc. If tsuna and the rest of the guardians get to keep their boxes and the rings as they are now, they'll be massive hack characters if they go to the past and hibari will begin an unstoppable reign of terror on namimori.

No.

[Accursed]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this because I didn't bother reading through, so sorrry if its already been said. But on to my point.

When they go back to the past do they get to bring their box weapons with them? If not then only Tsuna and Yamomoto will really have powered up right?

Tsuna's ring effects his strength and Yamomoto can use rain flames on his sword without a box so the upgraded rings should benefit them.

Hibari might be able to use cloud flames on his tonfa but im pretty sure it was shown to be a box weapon. So unless he learns to use cloud flames on his tonfa the new ring really wont do much for him. (not like he really needs to power up lol)

Gokudera is completely dependent on boxes in this arc so without them he would revert back to dynamite which he hasnt improved with. Again unless he somehow learns to use hes flames on his dynamite he will be the same in fighting power as before.

Lambo of course is also box dependent but hes always been useless.

Ryohei might be able to use sun flames to enchance his punch but i feel he only knows how to use sun flames with maximum cannon.

So thoughts? Also I know they all of have gained fighting experience along with intense training so they will have improved some but I feel unless they have the boxes Tsuna and Yamamoto will be completely op compared to the other.