KHR: [Character] Byakuran

[losthero15]

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/reborn/images/chara/byakuran.jpg

Byakuran is the boss Gesso Family which combined with the Gilglio Negro family to form the Millefiore Family, which he heads up. He is the holder of the Sky Mare Ring. He is cold, calm and calculating until things don't go according to plan. He possesses the ability to retain the knowledge of his lives in the separate universes that contain all possibilities. This allows him to accurately guess what his opponents will do, except for the Vongola Boxes of the Guardians which are unique to the world Tsuna's family is currently in. This ability was activated when he met the same Irie in multiple universes. In order to access this ability, Byakuran must perform a ritual that weakens him for a day or so but allows him to update his cross universe information.

His ultimate goal is to collect the 7^3 which consists of the Vongola Rings, the Mare Rings, and the Arcobaleno Pacifiers. Due to his collective mind he has been able to conquer the world and collect the 7^3 in all the universes except the current one.

Discuss:

[Gilphon]

Oh goody, the best antagonist in the series (IMO) now has a thread.

Now I'm going to defy expectation and not continue the discussion from the chapter thread, but start a new one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/253/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/253/03/
These two pages seem to imply that Byakuran somehow brought Rasiel back to life using knowledge of ancient civilizations. According to Bel, and Rasiel was killed by being stabbed multiple times.
So um... how could any amount of knowledge save someone who was stabbed to death around 20 years ago?

[losthero15]

I dont think he died, he was just scared after Bel almost killed him and he ran away. Byakuran used his knowledge to find Rasiel, reunited him with his servent, and gave him enough power so he would not need to fear Bel anymore. Not the greatest argument but its the only way this makes sense to me.

[Harlan Phoenix]

So um... how could any amount of knowledge save someone who was stabbed to death around 20 years ago?

You're reading a series about Mafioso who set themselves on fire and fight in Pokemon battles, and THIS bothers you.

One of Byakuran's trusted officers was a ZOMBIE.

[Gilphon]

You're reading a series about Mafioso who set themselves on fire and fight in Pokemon battles, and THIS bothers you.

One of Byakuran's trusted officers was a ZOMBIE.

As I understand, Daisy wasn't actually a zombie, just a regular person who had a extremely high regeneration rate due to sun flames. Which can't have been the case for Rasiel since he was Storm.

But yeah, the Rasiel thing bothers me because unlike the fire and pokemon, it has no in-universe explanation. Also, it bother me that one the same page as we got a perfectly reasonable explanation (well, y'know, relatively reasonable) for how Byakuran could have cured the disease Genkishi caught, Rasiel was mentioned, but his revival wasn't explaned at all.

I might be able to buy the 'he was just in hiding' explanation, though it seems kind of out of character for him.

[Harlan Phoenix]

I'd be more bothered if Rasiel was all that important. But in the grand scheme of things, he's pretty small pickings.

The present of the Reborn universe has the following type of technology: bullets that let you possess people, time machines in the form of fire arms, bullets that actually put your body in a false death state just so you can revive yourself with increased adrenaline, handguns that shoot fire, pacifiers that store, harness, or unleash a fragment of the power that created the Earth, and gloves that can control the output of the fire burning inside your soul.

...I really don't see how technology that could revive people at any point in the story's history is anywhere near hard to believe.

[Gilphon]

I could believe it, if they ever mentionned it. As you pointed out revival isn't actually all that implausible, given all the other things in the series. But I expect them to come right out and say that they have something that can revive people.

And anyway, revival being possible isn't good news for the story in general.

[losthero15]

I think the point there is that Byakuran knew that he was still alive and where he could find him. I will chalk it up to generic manga moment where a character defies death for revenge.

[cuhwism]

i don't think it was a revival
maybe just like genkishi who was near death when byakuran saved him

[losthero15]

Byakuran's weakness sort of confused me. I know that is Tsuna beats him all of the Byakurans in the other universes will be defeated as well, but does this apply to the Byakuran of the past?

[cuhwism]

that is also what's bugging me
it's the past one that should be killed to change the future
what would happen if every byakuran suddenly appeared?
and what confuse me more is, does that killing thing was applied exclusively to byakuran or that is how thing's work in the parallel world?

[losthero15]

I am pretty sure it just applies to Byakuran since all of his selves are one enity that I understand. As for the past I don't think the past Byakuran will die since you cannot change the past from the future. Of course I could be biased since I want Byakuran to be an over arcing villian

[cuhwism]

what about this
if his future die, his past still alive and kicking
iirc, irie once said that past's byakuran have awakened his ability too
so what about that?
if his future die, he can repeat it again from the past

[losthero15]

If they defeat Byakuran, then every Byakuran in the current universes will die at that moment in the future.

If the past Byakuran somehow collects the 7^3 before that moment, he will conquror the world.

[Lucis]

what about this
if his future die, his past still alive and kicking
iirc, irie once said that past's byakuran have awakened his ability too
so what about that?
if his future die, he can repeat it again from the past
Irie only sparked the ability in TYL Byakuran. If they meet Byakuran in the past nothing will happen

[Gilphon]

Irie only sparked the ability in TYL Byakuran. If they meet Byakuran in the past nothing will happen

Sorry, Lucis, but I recently lost that argument: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/253/04/
Past!Byakuran is awakened.

[cuhwism]

Sorry, Lucis, but I recently lost that argument: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/253/04/
Past!Byakuran is awakened.

that is what i was trying to say..
if past-byakuran's ability is also awakened, he could just repeat what he have done..
oh, but wait..
if all of TYL byakuran died, that means there'll be no one to tell his past self..
ah, i didnt think about it before

[naruto rocks]

Byakuran is best.

Evil and smart ftw.

[TheAviator]

This is a manga, it doesnt have to make perfect sense...

Though it is kinda lame i believe this is a kill the bad guy and live happily ever after thing....

[losthero15]

Though it is kinda lame i believe this is a kill the bad guy and live happily ever after thing....

That is why I want to know if past Byakuran will still be alive if his future self is defeated.

Since Uni said his power is weakening, past Byakuran should be at full power. He might be even stronger than his current self. Seems like the perfect post TYL direction to me.

[Sheonite]

If he is stronger, then the whole thing starts all over, which is completely dumb since he wasn't really a "criminal" at all at first... From what I recalled... He only became one in the future after meeting and gaining that power.


I hope that the manga doesn't end with his defeat though, I'd love to get to see the rest of the manga, since I remember that the Arcobaleno Trails will be a "canon" event... I hope that the manga continues even though Byakuran is soon to be dead.

[losthero15]

I have been thinking about what Byakuran's power would be for when he fights. Knowing what your opponent will do is complete ownage, until he fights someone with a VB. Since no final battle could ever go that easily, Byakuran must have some other ability.

Using the FW as an example, the members of the Milfiore tend to have there flame type based on color (I am not going to say the FW flower color thing for the millionth time). Byakuran is obsessed with white. White hair, white clothes, white spell, white marshmallows, white flowers it just goes on and on. This does not seem to mean much until you consider what the colors of white light are. White light when separated by a prism creates the colors red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. These just happen to be the colors of the seven flame types. If the seven colors of light are combined again they will return to white. This makes me believe that Byakuran will have all seven flame types combined into one white flame.

[Gilphon]

Good thought, I like it. The flaw which occured to me at first was that he doesn't seem to have any rings other than the Sky mare ring, and even he does there's no way the others would be as strong. But then I thought "Wait, what if he just uses the other Mare rings after the FWs have fallen?" That would certainly make him terrifyingly powerful.

[cuhwism]

losthero have a point there
There should be nothing surprising about how powerful byakuran is
But if that is his power, there should be limit

Anyway, what is the color of the cocoon thing which he was in when he looked to the other world?
It seems like it was made of flame

[losthero15]

Good thought, I like it. The flaw which occured to me at first was that he doesn't seem to have any rings other than the Sky mare ring, and even he does there's no way the others would be as strong. But then I thought "Wait, what if he just uses the other Mare rings after the FWs have fallen?" That would certainly make him terrifyingly powerful.

I did not think of that. I just figured that he would do something along the lines of what Xanxus did. He does not have a storm ring, but the sky flame somehow combined with his storm flame. But I like the idea of Byakuran have all 7 Mare Rings at once better.

[Nekron]

I do like that theory a lot.
Here's my take on the "The Byakurans will only be dead in the future" thing:
They beat Byakuran(presumably).
They return to the past after many tearful farewells.
Reborn pretends he needs a break(/nap/whatever...).
He sneaks off to Byakuran's location, as told Irie before they left(flashback!).
REBORN KILLS BYAKURAN, in a truly epic fade-out scene or something.

[TheAviator]

That is why I want to know if past Byakuran will still be alive if his future self is defeated.

Since Uni said his power is weakening, past Byakuran should be at full power. He might be even stronger than his current self. Seems like the perfect post TYL direction to me.

Ehhh sounds kinda lame though... but makes some sense

[cuhwism]

Ehhh sounds kinda lame though... but makes some sense

it is manga
it didn't have to make sense though it's lame
ah, sorry, i can't go around talking that:D
/run

[losthero15]

I do like that theory a lot.
Here's my take on the "The Byakurans will only be dead in the future" thing:
They beat Byakuran(presumably).
They return to the past after many tearful farewells.
Reborn pretends he needs a break(/nap/whatever...).
He sneaks off to Byakuran's location, as told Irie before they left(flashback!).
REBORN KILLS BYAKURAN, in a truly epic fade-out scene or something.

Gasp! The world's greatest assasin killing someone? Impossible!

[losthero15]

In an attempt to revive this thread:
When do you guys think Byakuran will recover from his sickness?
My money is on after Kikyou, Bluebell, and Zakuero are defeated, but just before Ghost arrives.

[Gilphon]

Hmm... he said he'd come as soon as he could. At the time, I took that to mean he would come as soon as he was able to meet up with Ghost. But rereading it now, it does seems it's more to do with the illness than Ghost. BUt it would very lame if Byakuran went down before Ghost, a character we've hardly even met.

[losthero15]

I was thinking that Byakuran would show up, the entire family prepares to start fighting him untill Ghost shows up. Then everyone besides Tsuna (and maybe Mukuro) fight Ghost while Tsuna fights Byakuran.

[Gilphon]

At the rate the FWs are taking down fighters, I doubt there's going to be enough people left for that. Lal and Gamma went down in one casual hit each, and Nosaru was easily beaten by those raptors. I'll be very surprised if the rest of Ryohei's group is still able to fight after the battle against Kikyou, and I doubt anyone other than maybe Xanxus will be in fighting form after beating Bluebell and Zakuro.

[losthero15]

The only reason I think that everyone will fight again later is Basil's combo attack. Why even mention it if there was not going to be a huge combined attack from the entire family?

[Lucis]

The only reason I think that everyone will fight again later is Basil's combo attack. Why even mention it if there was not going to be a huge combined attack from the entire family?
Of course there will be a combo attack. That idea has always been present ever since Lal said Sky could open all boxes.

[losthero15]

I think I figured out why Byakuran has left Tsuna's group alone so far. As it is right now, all of the guardians are either unable to fight or are fighting the FW. When Byakuran is able to move again, Tsuna will have no back up against him except for Reborn ( and Reborn might not even help him). Now all he has to worry about beating is 1 kid instead of an entire family

[cuhwism]

reborn might help under certain condition though
it's not like when tsuna was fighting squalo
unless tsuna fight byakuran somewhere else where reborn couldn't reach..

i think reborn would help, in some secret way like he usually did o.O

[Kodiac]

I think I figured out why Byakuran has left Tsuna's group alone so far. As it is right now, all of the guardians are either unable to fight or are fighting the FW. When Byakuran is able to move again, Tsuna will have no back up against him except for Reborn ( and Reborn might not even help him). Now all he has to worry about beating is 1 kid instead of an entire family

Reborn will help him. This is a different matter...it aint their present time, its the future...he can do whatever now =] Plus, when Uni took Tsunas side and Byakuran got pissed Reborn was ready to attack as she is his grand daugher..if im correct o.0

[losthero15]

Reborn will help him. This is a different matter...it aint their present time, its the future...he can do whatever now =] Plus, when Uni took Tsunas side and Byakuran got pissed Reborn was ready to attack as she is his grand daugher..if im correct o.0

Reborn would help save Uni if she is directly threatened, but if Tsuna is fighting to protect her I think Reborn will just play guard dog not attack Byakuran directly.

Reborn promised the 9th he would not interfear with his student's battles and I think he has faith in the training he drilled into Tsuna and in Tsuna himself.

[LiLa7]

I dont think he died, he was just scared after Bel almost killed him and he ran away. Byakuran used his knowledge to find Rasiel, reunited him with his servent, and gave him enough power so he would not need to fear Bel anymore. Not the greatest argument but its the only way this makes sense to me.

But Bel said he was sure that he had buried his brother.


I believe that Byakuran went into another paralell world where Rasiel wasn't dead and he brought him to the universe that the storyline takes place...

[Gilphon]

But Bel said he was sure that he had buried his brother.


I believe that Byakuran went into another paralell world where Rasiel wasn't dead and he brought him to the universe that the storyline takes place...

Byakuran can't physically travel to different worlds, he can just see what's going on in different worlds.

[LiLa7]

Byakuran can't physically travel to different worlds, he can just see what's going on in different worlds.

oops... then i was wrong. Then most probably he brought him back to life with his super knowledge i guess...

[munozjesse97]

Reborn will help him. This is a different matter...it aint their present time, its the future...he can do whatever now =] Plus, when Uni took Tsunas side and Byakuran got pissed Reborn was ready to attack as she is his grand daugher..if im correct o.0
The whole "grandpa Reborn" thing isn't meant to be taken literally. I think that it is just a title or a term of endearment or something. Plus, Luce would of had to have had Aria before she became an Acrobelano and I believe that Luce hadn't met Reborn until around that time that they became babies, cause you know, babies can't have children... but in KHR world, it may be possible.

[Drom]

The whole "grandpa Reborn" thing isn't meant to be taken literally. I think that it is just a title or a term of endearment or something. Plus, Luce would of had to have had Aria before she became an Acrobelano and I believe that Luce hadn't met Reborn until around that time that they became babies, cause you know, babies can't have children... but in KHR world, it may be possible.

Hey it might be possible. Reborn did say he's had multiple lovers in the past. Whats to say Luce wasn't one of them.

[Harlan Phoenix]

Paranoid hitman could've easily been a pet name.

[Kronos]

How did this turn to babies from byakuran. LOL

[FrostyMouse]

I have to say, I was surprised when Tsuna ripped off Byakuran's wings, albeit, it did appear that Byakuran instantly sprouted wings made out of blood in their place.

[bobbobin]

Hey it might be possible. Reborn did say he's had multiple lovers in the past. Whats to say Luce wasn't one of them.

Luce was already pregnant when they first met

She only calls him grandpa because she is the 3rd gen sky arcoballeno

[Hokaru]

But Bel said he was sure that he had buried his brother.

I believe that Byakuran went into another parallel world where Rasiel wasn't dead and he brought him to the universe that the storyline takes place...

Ya, Byakuran can't physically travel to different worlds. And he actually can't see what's going on in different worlds but he contracted the other paralell world Byakuran to know what's going on.

oops... then i was wrong. Then most probably he brought him back to life with his super knowledge i guess...

This is what I think:
Main Byakuran (the current byakuran in the future arc that we know) which is also the era that Rasiel is not dead, contracted another Byakuran from future to find out that Rasiel will be killed by Bel.
So this Byakuran contracted the Rasiel and told him this will happens, and he acting dead before Bel actually killed him. After Bel buried him and run away, Byakuran saved Rasiel and let him be 1 of the funeral wreaths.
The other reason I am saying this is because Rasiel got the scars Bel left for him, so can't be Rasiel is brought from the era that he is not dead to this main Byakuran era.

The whole "grandpa Reborn" thing isn't meant to be taken literally. I think that it is just a title or a term of endearment or something. Plus, Luce would of had to have had Aria before she became an Acrobelano and I believe that Luce hadn't met Reborn until around that time that they became babies, cause you know, babies can't have children... but in KHR world, it may be possible.

Luce is pregnant before they turn to acrobelano, and tummy is already very big. Acrobelano have different body structure remember? That's what Lal mentioned. So Luce is able to give birth to the already in her tummy baby.


Hey it might be possible. Reborn did say he's had multiple lovers in the past. Whats to say Luce wasn't one of them.

Luce was already pregnant when they first met

She only calls him grandpa because she is the 3rd gen sky arcoballeno

Yup, Luce is already pregnant when they first met and also, they are complete stranger with every others.

Why Uni calls him grandpa is just a term. Remember Lambo, I-pin, reborn and even Bianchi calls Tsuna's mother as Mama.
Anyway, Uni have some parts of memory from her grandmother and her mother. That's why Uni calls reborn as grandpa when she first saw reborn.

[Daisuke123]

For starters if the Byakuran in the future will to be defeated by Tsuna then the fact that the events will take place may still take not place after all... Seen chaning the future will not affect the present time... So if they will to go back to present time they still have to defeat Byakuran again in order to defeat him...

So my thoughts is that after the future arc end they will still have to fight Byakuran again... As you need to do so in order to change the future... - This is what i think is going to happen next is the manga... It is not a 100%... Just a feeling...

[Hokaru]

For starters if the Byakuran in the future will to be defeated by Tsuna then the fact that the events will take place may still take not place after all... Seen chaning the future will not affect the present time... So if they will to go back to present time they still have to defeat Byakuran again in order to defeat him...

So my thoughts is that after the future arc end they will still have to fight Byakuran again... As you need to do so in order to change the future... - This is what i think is going to happen next is the manga... It is not a 100%... Just a feeling...

You are wrong.
Firstly, Didn't Irie said that this is the only era that Byakuran can be defeated (the era where they are in right now)? Maybe you didn't read carefully or forgotten. The parallel worlds are interconnected and there is only one solid being. And the Byakuran from this world is the one solid being that interconnected and share his power with himself across different parallel worlds.
Meaning if this Byakuran is destroyed, Byakuran in each other parallel worlds will be disappeared as well. And they can go back to peaceful past without Byakuran.

If you still don't get it, read 252, 253 and 265. Whereby Irie and then Uni explain about it.
source link: http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/265/02/

[Yorozuya Gin Chan]

Byakuran is a fitting character for KHR and he will be defeated in the most brilliant way possible. (IMO)

[JMaru3]

yep

[JMaru3]

im looking forward to see how exactly they will defeat him