DGM: Random Theories, Ideas and Speculations

[Aurora]

As the title states, all random theories and the like, go in here.
This is a multi-purpose thread that will remove the need of posting random threads.

[Shadowicewolf]

Is it possible that this 'third side of the war' stuff that cross hinted about has something to do with the vadican? I was just wondering.....

[ishxallxgood]

But in DGM world isn't the Black Order part of the Vatican?

[Shadowicewolf]

Yes, however, it just seems to me like their doing something behind the sences....

[NathanHallowed]

Is it possible that this 'third side of the war' stuff that cross hinted about has something to do with the vadican? I was just wondering.....

Well I Agree with you , it can be a third side , i think can be the Vatican , however in chapter 182 , The Akuma saw a noah inside on Allen , it looks like Ichigo 'sHollow ?

[Shadowicewolf]

lol it looks more like a vampire/demon Oo... interesting...

[NathanHallowed]

lol it looks more like a vampire/demon Oo... interesting...

Well i think Allen Walker going to turned in somekind of CLown l , Milleniun Earl had called him as White Clown one time during a duel between theirself.When Allen was a child , he was little clown^^

Who knows....

[Itachi4ever]

It's just his signature. He is the white clown because he smiles while he kills Akumas. That is because he is the only one able to see the spirit that was captured being set free. Only time other people were able to see the spirits was once when his eye first changed. Lenalee almost threw up. xp

Allen changed from having the cloak to not having it so I doubt he'll have the cloak again. He now changes on occasionally to his akuma form. Thus the tan skin he get when angry. He'll probably kill someone soon or watch someone die pretty soon. Unless the death was of his master, Cross.

[NathanHallowed]

If Allen reveals his true form[Noah]
Does Road Kamelot going to love Allen Walker more than before ?
Does Earl going to try to bring Allen to his side?

Some questions to discuss :D

[Vizardsavior]

I just was reading chapter 182 I think we can hope for a new eye.:)

[ishxallxgood]

If Allen reveals his true form[Noah]
Does Road Kamelot going to love Allen Walker more than before ?
Does Earl going to try to bring Allen to his side?

Some questions to discuss :D

There isn't "loving Allen more" Road's already in love with the boy.... presumably because she already knows he's the 14th.

The Earl's not going to "try to bring Allen to his side" because the 14th is betrayed the Earl (and attempted to kill him).... and the Earl has a personal vendetta against him and wants to annihilate the 14th.

[Cross Allen13]

Actually the Earl have a weird thinking he will probably do something unexpected...

But if you ask me if the Earl will try to bring Walker on his side my answer would be no because the reincarnation of the ''14th/The Musician'' just appear so there's really no point of trying to bring Allen on their side although Earl could be interested on Allen's abilities...

[Don Kanonji]

it would be intressting to know how exactly the 14th takes over allen´s body.and if allen had some of his powers because of the 14th(especially his innocence)
maybe its like in bleach and the 14th and allen will fight inside allen to win the controll over the body.but i hope not^^
it would be better if they form an alliance.

[Shadowicewolf]

Eh, i doubt it.....

Don't the (original) noahs eventually take over their 'host' bodies by eating away at their, how would you put it, normal selves? An example for this would be Tyki, because ever sense allen stabbed him he hasn't felt like himself....

[Smiling_fox]

Eh, i doubt it.....

Don't the (original) noahs eventually take over their 'host' bodies by eating away at their, how would you put it, normal selves? An example for this would be Tyki, because ever sense allen stabbed him he hasn't felt like himself....


Oh, wait. Didn't Allen also stab himself?

HOPE IS RENEWED!

As far as crazy-theory goes, I'm sticking to "Mana is the Millenium Earl" until Hoshino smacks that one down. Seriously. They even have the same hat.

[Don Kanonji]

they were twins
one good, one bad xD

[Shadowicewolf]

Dude,

Mana =/= the earl.... he is dead. D. E. A. D. He had to be for Allen to bring him back, and then he cursed him.....

Yes, allen did get stabbed, however, i think it caused the 14th to awaken more and have more control (as seen in the newest chp). Which is somewhat good, at least we now know why he wanted to kill the earl.

Don, i don't think so. The earl is like what over 7,000 years old? Yeah, i don't think so.

[Don Kanonji]

we dont know how old mana really was, do we?
it could be possible
or maybe the earl had a child and this child was mana o.O

[Shadowicewolf]

O.O

you just had to put that image into my head didn't you... -_-;;;

and i don't think he would be the type to do so....

[Don Kanonji]

i wasnt really serious about that last sentence, but now i cant return it from your head xD
im sorry^^

[Smiling_fox]

XD No, I know, I know. But this is the crazy ideas section; and that one is my craziest. (I've got a few about Lavi's nationality too, but they're mostly based on fangirlism)



we dont know how old mana really was, do we?
it could be possible
or maybe the earl had a child and this child was mana o.O

OMG! =D New crack!theory of DGM!! Okay, I'm hanging onto THAT theory until Hoshino snipers it out of the sky! <3:<3:

[Shadowicewolf]

O.O

Sorry but i can't see that.... I just can't....

[Smiling_fox]

The probability of that being true is very, very low, Tyki-pon (Mind if I call you that? :)Your icon is love, Shadowicewolf)

Likely, Mana is just Mana. Not Mini-Earl.

[Shadowicewolf]

I don't mind... :P

I agree with you. Just because a person looks similar to another doesn't mean that they are related....

[Outlawstar]

Hmm yea Mana is just a clown thats why he looks like Earl but theres not relations there.

Hey the Noah seem like they really outpower the Exorcist forces and I doubt that Allen awakening his Noah powers for his use will turn the tides. So what do you guys think about more Noahs rebelling against the Earl and in turn help the 14th (not Allen) you know one or two of them like Tyki or Road.
Another thing maybe they have a 4th type of exorcist experiemnt which will help evolve everyones innocence again but that would be boring since some already evolved.
How about capturing a Noah and reverse engineering it and combine Innocene and Noah powers to make super soldiers? Maybe Allen does this himself and become the motivation?
Just throwing crazy theories out there for the fun of it

[Shadowicewolf]

lol, i'd say no to all of them....

Tyki and rhode are too loyal to the earl to do that.

eh, no just no... don't want this turning out to be dbz.....

Eh? Allen is just a freak of nature (to tell the truth) one that should have never existed as he walks both sides....

I however would like to see more of the 14ths abilities. Simply because he has to have something besides moveing the ark. Come on, it can't be fun moving an ark....

[NathanHallowed]

It would be so boring if 14TH act likes ichigo's hollow.I think 14th is not kind of hollow inside on Allen , his noah powers are overing his mind and consequently making those effects.Allen dont going to stay as he was.

That my Theory

[Shadowicewolf]

Like how tyki has changed? (as an example) :P

[DarknessRoad]

what if instead of the 14th being the one takeing over allen's body what if he is just reclaiming his body from allen.Since we dont know what other abilities the 14th has it is plasible that allen is just a split personality that came from the 14th and now the 14th is trying to take back over and return to being one person.Just a random theory.
One thing i dont get if innocence is poison to Noah how can the 14th survive in the same body as a parisite type innocence.

[Shadowicewolf]

they really aren't in a way. Think yin and yang one must exist for the other to live.

[DarknessRoad]

Skin the 9th noah i think when he got kandas sword melted in him it started to kill him and that was an equipment type thats y this is weird allen's innocence is actual connected to him so shouldnt it at least surpress the 14th.

[The Forbidden Donut]

Hey there, I have been reading the series for some chapters now , but it is still not clear to me where the name of the series comes from, maybe I missed some sentence that explained it or something, but I would be very happy if someone can explain it to me.

[NathanHallowed]

Is there titles from series? however the manga didnt said any serie name

[Shadowicewolf]

I would assume its in reference to one of allens attacks... but i'm not sure (the cross grave one)

[eoin]

I heard that it has something to do with dorian gray.

[KaiStrauss]

I wondered about that to...

[The Forbidden Donut]

I never heard about Dorian Gray before, but after reading something about it it seems like a really great book, so I will read it and see if I can see some simularities with the manga.

[Morgan]

I heard that it has something to do with dorian gray.
That's an interesting thought. When I started reading it I thought it would have something to do with Allen but I haven't seen anything :S But a comparison between Dorian Gray and the story wouldn't be far fetched. I'm not sure exactly though. It could be referencing how the black order is all shiny and good on the outside but rotten in the core, or it could be the Noah with their double lives and vices and they are...well...gray. :bs: And since Allen sort of is a noah it could refer to him anyway?

[lmaostory]

Ok ok ok. im new to the forums but ive got my own little theories going on here. (dont shoot them down if they have been stated somewhere else, i dont feel like reading every page in here to find out.)
FIRST - am i the only one to think that Lenalee and Allen both have a peice of the heart? not that its one real one fake, but the real heart split into 2 and being carried by both of them? i mean both of which so far are the only ones with the power to evolve their weapons and be saved by the innocence.

secondly. i have a feeling that 14th's appearance is just to un-nerve the earl. its like hes just toying with the earl so hes not focusing to much on the order. i mean yes allen is a prime target, but he really seems like he wants to take down the earl, so maybe hes got plans to help the order by shifting the earls vision persay? idk just my thought

OH! i also have a feeling that cross wasnt really killed. more like he staged his own death using that doll of his...(whatever her name was) and then disappeared to go work on some secret plan. mayybe central helped come up with said plan??? hmm??

idk give me some feedback on what you think.

[Shadowicewolf]

Blarg to all three i say.

1. it is a similar experience, however it has yet to be confirmed.

2. Nope, he wants to be earl plain and simple.

3. really? i don't think so. Cetral seems to be the bad part among this. Why would they go help something that they deem below them? Besides how could someone loose that much blood and live? Also, his innocence gun is no longer his, which only happens when the person *gasps* dies....

blarg to it all...

[lmaostory]

ok ok, so cross died. (and my other ideas arent worth bringing up) but since he is dead, why would central wait until someone saw his body before removing it. and why remove it at all?
maybe they are planing something with his body?

[ishxallxgood]

ok ok, so cross died. (and my other ideas arent worth bringing up) but since he is dead, why would central wait until someone saw his body before removing it. and why remove it at all?
maybe they are planing something with his body?

Because Cross might not actually be dead. :eek2:
Ever consider that? ;D

[Shadowicewolf]

Yeah~ loss of innocence + gunshot right to the face as seen from his mask.... i think he's dead.

[ca12nag3]

Well tbh it dont matter what one person thinks, within the story itself Bookman sugests he might have made it out, Lev thinks Central tried to kill Cross. The generals discussed it and i think its Klaud that says he couldnt have survived such a bloodloss. Then again Crory was stuck inside a spikecoffin and lived... true it was due to the ark recovery but hey its a story and its stack with big & small miracles, now unless they come up with a body nobody can confirm hes dead.

[lmaostory]

no when i meant removing his body, i meant being sneaky about it.

[g0dslay3r]

so what happened to grave of maria?central stole it?

[Shadowicewolf]

nope, it was loyal to cross and only him. So if he died, it went as well.

[xoxo_ricalim]

i wonder how did allen make up the secret code with mana?
i'm not sure how that secret code became part of the script but it doesn't seem like a coincedence to me.
did mana manupilate allen into making the secret code?
was it really a coincedence despite all the odds of the code being wrong?
i'm not so sure! waaaaaah!

also will allen join the earl?
it's going to be intersting because the 14th wants to kill the earl and allen want to stay in the black order but the black order will kill him if he loses control of himself and turn into the 14th.

[Sigart]

Seems to me that now that the Black Order knows that the 14th's intentions aren't stemming from a pure heart (*snort*) the possibility that they'd let Allen continue as he's done would be too much of a risk. I mean... it's one thing to think he's just hateful of the Earl, but the 14th want to take his place. That means that if Allen should manage to kill the Earl, they'd just have another one to deal with. On top of that, Allen's innocence has gotta be amongst the most powerful in the organisation... (although it does seem like the power scale isn't entirely... straight. I mean, he sync'ed over 100% and he was still nothing compared to Cross and the two other generals)(which makes me think that sync'ing over 100 isn't entirely unusual)

[xoxo_ricalim]

Well i think Allen Walker going to turned in somekind of CLown l , Milleniun Earl had called him as White Clown one time during a duel between theirself.When Allen was a child , he was little clown^^

Who knows....


well i know his innocence is called the crown clown. it's a parasatic type and it forms an armour around him.

[Shadowicewolf]

allen didn't make the code the 14th did. Remember mana was the one that 'showed' him so allen was the one whom assumed it.

to the user above me: odviously :P

[xoxo_ricalim]

yeah but how did allen assume it.

'cause mana wrote 'm' into the ground and then allen wrote a code into the ground. mana didn't teach him the code. he and allen 'made the code up'. mana must be good at manupilating people...

[Star~Hoshi!]

but if mana made it up with allen, allen might have said most but mana would have to give him an answer wouldn't he?

[xoxo_ricalim]

but still how would it be exactly correct. how can allen exactly guess the code unless if the 14th's memory was planted before they made up the 'code'. the allen could have been sub-conciously using the 14th's memory or mana would have done something in order for allen to use the 14th's memory to 'create' their 'code'.

[Star~Hoshi!]

yea'rr but mana prob'ly awakened the 14th in allen to see his brother living in him or he just shared that code in memory of his brother. cross must have been best friends with the 14th

[Shadowicewolf]

*sigh* the 14th wasn't awake then ><

[xoxo_ricalim]

*sigh* the 14th wasn't awake then ><

the 14th's memories are his. the 14th wasn't awake but he has acess to his memories! -_-

[Sigart]

It is exceptionally easy to manipulate a young child into thinking they invented anything. Jeez. All Mana probably did was suggest and Allen (because that's how parent-child relationships works) adopted it as his own. As long as Mana pretended to invent it on the spot, it'd have been the same.

And Allen doesn't have access to the 14th memories, otherwise he'd have known. Well, I'd be suspicious if I remembered doing things there's no way I could've done, wouldn't you?

[xoxo_ricalim]

allen does have access to the 14ths memories!! -_-

allen can play the piano because of the 14ths memories. if not he can't play at all. so the 14th's memories is allens now! so mana could have manupilated allen when they were making the code into using the 14ths memories sub-conciously. mana obviously has to be able to manupilate people or then he would not have stayed alive because the earl is after him.
and by the way, the earl said allen is the 14th himself...
-_-

[Star~Hoshi!]

I think he was just plain hiding like cross. but if he was on the run with allen, wouldnt allen have noticed too

[Sigart]

Hmm... true, he does have some access, but it's mainly on a subconscious level, non?

[xoxo_ricalim]

exactly. when mana was making the code, allen was subconciously using the14th's memories! just like what you said!!!!!!!!! -_-

[Star~Hoshi!]

If you ask me, its like the fuzzy memories that you have long ago when youre like three or something

[Sigart]

Hmm... but how about the 14th... d'yo think he's gotta be "awake" for Allen to access his memories? He was awake when they played piano...

[xoxo_ricalim]

maybe, 'cause allen never attempted to play the piano before this...
so i'm not sure...

but still allen is the 14th himself!! XD

[Sigart]

Isn't it more like a possession?

[xoxo_ricalim]

possesion? how? i don't get it...
? -_-

[Sigart]

Well, you say it like Allen's the 14th truly, but that's not true. Allen's Allen first and foremost. Possession is when an alien being (usually in the context of a ghost or demon) takes over another person's mind and body, and acts in their stead... That's what exorcism was originally; driving a foreign being out of the body and mind of a human.

[Shadowicewolf]

*sigh* i don't think so.

However i will bite on the possible memorie of it. You guys seem to think that the 14th has been awake or something similar for the entirity of allen's life. I don't agree with it. Lets take skin (as much as i hate him) as an example, his noah didn't wake up until he was what 25ish? mmmmmm.....

[xoxo_ricalim]

what does entirity mean??? -_-

but i do have to agree it's something like possesion...

[Star~Hoshi!]

What I'm saying is that the 14th isn't awake but Allen has acess to his memories............ It's possible isn't it? Because like the 14th initially implanted the memories in Allen, and so the 14th wasn't awake, let alone, dead, Allen by right, should have acess to the 14th's memories alone.......... right?

[Shadowicewolf]

I think it would be a subconsious thing. You know, like how you eventually learn to balance on a bike without falling over. Then you go for a few years without rideing then try again and you just know how? Like that :P

[xoxo_ricalim]

I think it would be a subconsious thing. You know, like how you eventually learn to balance on a bike without falling over. Then you go for a few years without rideing then try again and you just know how? Like that :P

yeah! ok! i get i now. so allen uses the 14th's memories sub-conciously. is that what you're saying?? right?

[Faraesia]

Hey there, I have been reading the series for some chapters now , but it is still not clear to me where the name of the series comes from, maybe I missed some sentence that explained it or something, but I would be very happy if someone can explain it to me.

eh? I thought that bit was explained already? i dont remember which chapter, but it was somewhere in the crowley castle part- when his eye healed or smthing. when the eye evolved, a weird looking D came out. also, i remember allen saying something along the lines of 'it's back- that world of black and white' or something along those lines, which kind of means that his eyes sees things differently. Black+white= gray. and the 'man' is obvious. and there you get the name of the manga. I think the D might possibly be the 14th's name. i think there was a chapter where mana was calling allen something else, but allen said 'just call me allen'. could he possibly be calling allen the name of the 14th? sorry, my memory's horrible, so i dont remember what chapters these came from.
and yes, i believe cross is dead. i remember there was a part which said 'and that was the last anyone saw of cross marian' . doesnt that sound like he died? in movies and stuff, there was never a time when i read a sentence like that and the character came back alive.
i hope we see allen more from now on, cuz the stuff in chp.191 about kanda isnt very interesting... compared to the situation now. I dont want allen to die. all the church stuff and meaness is really annoying me, the earl is waaaaaaay more organized than that. I wish the church would just stop all these experiments.

[All Rounder]

It would be funny if D.Gray-Man was actually the name of the 14th Noah

[lenka]

haha that'd be awesome =D

[Takihiro Core]

when everyone talks about the 14th they still assume that allen and the 14th are two people, but somewhere earlier wasn't it, i believe cross or mana, who said something like allen and the 14th were one in the same

Cross, I believe is alive just because he is insane, he seems to exceed allen in power half the time, he controls two innocence and loosing one isn't it possible he could somehow force it to forget him, along with that not only is his body missing but so is his second innocence, the parasite girl, and the window behind him was broken more like a body went threw then a bullet somehow hit it, also his mask seems pretty sturdy it could have taken most of the blow, nothing at the scene suggest only 1 shot being fired

Also I have been wondering what people think on the words that Cross left Allen, "What would you do, if I told you you'll have to kill someone you love when you become the 14th"

[zeldazonk]

Well, when the 14th took over a chapter or two ago and said that he wanted to become the next Earl, didn't Allen say something like "That's what you meant..."

So I think Cross was talking about how Allen would have to kill the Earl even though they are family.

[Takihiro Core]

But Cross said that allen would have to kill someone he loves, allen loves the akuma not the earl and the 14th also seems to really despise the earl, or at least find him a hinderance, allen said, "I don't want that" after he heard the earl say "is that your wish 14th"

[NathanHallowed]

Well, when the 14th took over a chapter or two ago and said that he wanted to become the next Earl, didn't Allen say something like "That's what you meant..."

So I think Cross was talking about how Allen would have to kill the Earl even though they are family.

So Allen Walker going to becomea noah and his memories will make himself lost control and attack their friends :greg:

i don't think so

Probaly not ,i thought he going to turn against them oher not by noahpowers but by persuations of noah family .

Who knows

The Raw192 is out , probably we will have it wednesday

[ogieboy042]

its already out chapter 192, http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=68397

[Lyrathian]

Speculation time. I think Twi Chan is going to get killed, maybe by Kanda.

[lenka]

omg i just realized here:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/176/01/ to http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/176/02/
the words of the skull are almost the same as cross' over here:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/131/11/
and we also know that cross is a skull http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/15/

could it be cross who put the barrier there? why would he do it tho? any ideas?

[ishxallxgood]

omg i just realized here:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/176/01/ to http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/176/02/
the words of the skull are almost the same as cross' over here:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/131/11/
and we also know that cross is a skull http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/15/

could it be cross who put the barrier there? why would he do it tho? any ideas?

Cross isn't a skull. He was disguised as a skull. If you went back to the first page of the chapter (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/01/) you "quoted" of Cross being a skull, you'd see that he's clearly just posing as one, being that the real skull was saying "you are not a skull of the master's making..."

As for why the words are the same... perhaps the particular spell calls for those words. Just because the words for the two barrier spells are the same it doesn't mean they're the same person. They're both sorcerers.

[Shadowicewolf]

Master? WTF is this Bleach?

No, i don't think so.

[Nashayla]

This has been bothering me for a while...Wrath is dead but what about his new reincarnation like the rest of the new era of Noahs?
Referred to the manga it does not seem like they are going to search for the 8th Apostle. So they are gonna fight the Exorcist without the 8th?
Can anyone tell me?

[Aurora]

Dearie, use the RITS (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=53755) thread for speculative questions or the Q&A (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=53327)for stuff with definite answers..

//merges with the RITS

[ricardo241]

My theories about the truth on Allen and lenelee is this:

1.) Allen's innocence is not the heart but the 14th himself( that's why it acted on it's own bec. he wants to protect his container) therefore making lenalee's innocence the heart

2.) It could be possibly that the heart divided itself into two part the upper(allen's crown clown+upper body) and the lower part (lenalee's dark boots =lower body)

sorry for my english

[lenka]

My theories about the truth on Allen and lenelee is this:

1.) Allen's innocence is not the heart but the 14th himself( that's why it acted on it's own bec. he wants to protect his container) therefore making lenalee's innocence the heart

2.) It could be possibly that the heart divided itself into two part the upper(allen's crown clown+upper body) and the lower part (lenalee's dark boots =lower body)

sorry for my english

but someone once mentioned that crystal type innocence might not mean its the heart. in other words, they predicted that once yuu will wake up from this flashback, get pissed at everyone and mugen will become a crystal type.

[HitoriKanane]

nope, it was loyal to cross and only him. So if he died, it went as well.

I kind of find this off.
It simply means that Cross left his innocence to prevent 'falling' as Suman did. If the innocence rejects you and you continue wielding it, you fall. So if you have a possibility to fall; it isn't unnatural to abandon your innocence. I also think that the fact that there was no body means that Cross is alive. Grave of Maria's gone; so it either evaporated into a flurry of butterflies (Or something) or Cross is still alive; somewhere. The mask is this trademark, so to stage a death it would be most convincing to leave it behind as well.

So unless the Earl is planning some secret plot to take out the generals one by one or something; I'd say that Cross is just trying to lead his own investigations and have the Vatican leave him alone for good. (Or until he needs their help) He did mention how much he 'hates that place'.

On the subject of the name; I vaguely remember reading one of Hoshino's (Komui's) Corner where they asked where the name came from. He replied something along the lines that he was originally going to name it 'Dolls'; but the name got rejected. He was also thinking of naming it 'Chronoa' or 'Zone' before he came up with "D. Gray-Man" He chose it because it has various meanings relating to the characters and also because he sounded cool.

Another random fact is that Lavi was a character from a rejected manga called 'Bookman".

Frankly, I hope that Lenalee isn't the heart; it would be too cliche. Kinda like how Rukia has the Hōgyoku. (Though this is forgiven; as no-one was actually searching for it besides Aizen.) My thoughts of the matter is that the person with the heart isn't related to the current characters at all; and that the person gets introduced as a side character and slowly grows in importance. Lenalee was just used to introduce the Crystal type innocence. As to why her innocence protects her; I'm just going to leave that as "She's a main character. That's why"
(I'm still wondering why everyone makes references to bleach..)


...Does anyone have a speculation as to why Lavi keeps one of his eyes covered?
My guess is that he has a brain at absorbs too much so if he keeps both open his brain will be flooded with info (hence; he would go crazy if it was opened on a daily basis). The only time I've seen him open the other one is when they were looking for the key in the Noah's Ark.

What about him joining the Order? He was there just for researching purposes; and the innocence conveniently chose him? Out of the hundreds of finders that would die to be chosen by the innocence?