HDSK: [Character] Apachai Hopachai

[ragh]

Discuss about the top fighter known around the area :)

[jomegar]

Discuss about the top fighter known around the area :)

Death God of Muay Thai - your fandom fails in the face of the elder been known as the strongest lol.

plus im sure an angry cat could beat apachai up lol all he could do is run away from it lol.

[abkicksa]

I'm trying to think how many master fights Apachai has had, but it hasn't been many. He's only fought the Elder (in a flashback and a fight that didn't really end) and he fought the Chinese guy. I might be missing some, though.

[jomegar]

I'm trying to think how many master fights Apachai has had, but it hasn't been many. He's only fought the Elder (in a flashback and a fight that didn't really end) and he fought the Chinese guy. I might be missing some, though.

only shigure has had less and maybe akisame.

think shigure only had the yami weapon master and akisame has only fought alexander gaidar twice and lke apachai's elder fight the first alexander one never finished. well as long as you dot count him throwing shigure dad over a cliff.

but no cant think of any more fights for apachai. still he has at least one fight coming his way i cant see anyone but him fighting the yami master. funny thing be though if the yami master was also apachai's master cause i figure thats ''the amazing guy i know'' he was talking about, that or maybe twin disciples of the same master.

[Duo]

Well, those fights did give us a great exposure to Akisame in action, as well as Shigure. If you counted the frames up of them "fighting seriously", I bet Apachai would be left in the dust.

I do wonder about the Fist within Yami that Apachai would die against. The two possibilities are pretty likely, though it could just be someone who rivaled him when he was younger, and went on to train in ways Apachai didn't have the opportunity to (given the time spent wandering and starving and so on).

[jomegar]

Well, those fights did give us a great exposure to Akisame in action, as well as Shigure. If you counted the frames up of them "fighting seriously", I bet Apachai would be left in the dust.

I do wonder about the Fist within Yami that Apachai would die against. The two possibilities are pretty likely, though it could just be someone who rivaled him when he was younger, and went on to train in ways Apachai didn't have the opportunity to (given the time spent wandering and starving and so on).

im temtpted to count lol, anyway nah apachai only went wandering after he hit supermaster and porbably beat the crap out of everyone by accident -

i once beat up all my enemies and allies in one go or something like that.

[Duo]

Hitting "Super Master" level doesn't mean that improvement can't happen. Ryozanpaku is all Super-Masters, but the Elder is a level yet above that.

Wandering like that meant he wouldn't be in a training situation that could keep him in his prime, let alone constantly improving. Obviously the situation is better now but a constant rival could gain an upper hand in that time.

When Apachai said he took out all his enemies and allies all at once in a battle, I laughed pretty hard. That's just...so him.

[jomegar]

Hitting "Super Master" level doesn't mean that improvement can't happen. Ryozanpaku is all Super-Masters, but the Elder is a level yet above that.

Wandering like that meant he wouldn't be in a training situation that could keep him in his prime, let alone constantly improving. Obviously the situation is better now but a constant rival could gain an upper hand in that time.

When Apachai said he took out all his enemies and allies all at once in a battle, I laughed pretty hard. That's just...so him.

no probably reached the peak since hed have some pretty tough people around him and he beat them all. he wouldnt have had any rivalry or contact after leaving either so it's - this guy is really good probably better than me comment and that probably hasnt or wont change.
doesnt really make sense the mauy thai master is hardly going to do much better sitting around than apachai would wandering. He'd likely meet opponents while wandering and train while wandering too. the part were it shows muay boran indicates he does it in his spare time.

[Xeauron]

Apachi still has lots of room for growth in my opinion. He is one of the younger masters in Ryozanpaku and because he is living with such high level masters, it will probably help him grow even better if he trains with them. Like with Kensei and Sougetsu, they were once considered equals, but because Kensei had the other masters to train with he grew stronger and surpassed Sougetsu by the time they had fought.

Though I hope Apachai doesn't end up dying on us when he faces off against the Muay Thai master of Yami, or gets injured to the point he can't be a martial artist anymore or something.

[jomegar]

Apachi still has lots of room for growth in my opinion. He is one of the younger masters in Ryozanpaku and because he is living with such high level masters, it will probably help him grow even better if he trains with them. Like with Kensei and Sougetsu, they were once considered equals, but because Kensei had the other masters to train with he grew stronger and surpassed Sougetsu by the time they had fought.

Though I hope Apachai doesn't end up dying on us when he faces off against the Muay Thai master of Yami, or gets injured to the point he can't be a martial artist anymore or something.

well hes probably the second youngest but it be odd if it was a turn around and we found out hes much older, just graced with good genes lol (unless his age is stated somewhere i dont know about).

if we are going to think he might be a fellow disciple of the yami muay thai master or that mans first disciple - apachai was made fight to the death a lot from a young age it sounds a bit like someone trying to turn him into a killer.
So how old do you think the yami muay thai master is?

[Xeauron]

While we can't really see much detail from this picture.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/266/16/

I'd say the Muay Thai master of Yami is probably in his mid 20's or so from what we have seen so far. Apachi is probably in his early 20's to mid 20's in my opinion. Would be great if there was a databook.

[jomegar]

While we can't really see much detail from this picture.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/266/16/

I'd say the Muay Thai master of Yami is probably in his mid 20's or so from what we have seen so far. Apachi is probably in his early 20's to mid 20's in my opinion. Would be great if there was a databook.

well only thing is since his face is shadowed and we never see any really wrinkles on these guys he could have very tight to the face signs that are covered. well only shigure can be younger isnt she only very early twenties.
it was discussed before and we tried working it out i think but i cant remember.

[Xeauron]

Yeah, I think she is around the age of 20-22 maybe? Though that is just purely speculation, who knows she could anywhere in the range of 18-24. Akisame did pick her up when she was but a child and his appearance hasn't seemed to have aged THAT much since then. Apacha is probably a couple of years older than her though, though its pretty much completely baseless.

Since the Muay Thai master is the last one to be revealed, do you think the next arc will be with Apachai, so the Muay Thai master will finally be revealed?

[jomegar]

Yeah, I think she is around the age of 20-22 maybe? Though that is just purely speculation, who knows she could anywhere in the range of 18-24. Akisame did pick her up when she was but a child and his appearance hasn't seemed to have aged THAT much since then. Apacha is probably a couple of years older than her though, though its pretty much completely baseless.

Since the Muay Thai master is the last one to be revealed, do you think the next arc will be with Apachai, so the Muay Thai master will finally be revealed?

well to be honest it be pretty bad to have kajima and maybe the one shadow himself pop-up before tiratwats master but i think it's ogata next.

[Xeauron]

Indeed, just to keep Saiga a mystery they probably won't have him appear until atleast all of the Yami masters have had some spotlight. So I am guessing that even if Kajima gets picked to go fight, Saiga won't get involved.

[jomegar]

WOOT, I LUCKED OUT.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/7/09/

[Xeauron]

WOOT, I LUCKED OUT.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/7/09/

GREAT FIND! :thumbup:

Thats one masters age confirmed. Sakaki is 28 as well right? I'd say Kensei and Akisame are in their 30's, maybe early 40's.

[jomegar]

GREAT FIND! :thumbup:

Thats one masters age confirmed. Sakaki is 28 as well right? I'd say Kensei and Akisame are in their 30's, maybe early 40's.

just go to the french savate users story if you want to check for sure youll find it out when sakaki is leaving the train. i believe he tells the kid.

[Xeauron]

just go to the french savate users story if you want to check for sure youll find it out when sakaki is leaving the train. i believe he tells the kid.

Ah, I found it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/148/05/

He is 29.

So, to make some new discussion, does anyone think that Apachai might start teaching Honoka some Muay Thai eventually?

[jomegar]

Ah, I found it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/148/05/

He is 29.

So, to make some new discussion, does anyone think that Apachai might start teaching Honoka some Muay Thai eventually?

well given that in the last chapter start page it should her attacking tanimoto shes learning something lol, but no given her obviously great talent than her brother in pretty much everything i wouldnt be surprised to know she see a move ones and can do it kinda **** lol, but then who would she fight, chikage?

[Xeauron]

well given that in the last chapter start page it should her attacking tanimoto shes learning something lol, but no given her obviously great talent than her brother in pretty much everything i wouldnt be surprised to know she see a move ones and can do it kinda **** lol, but then who would she fight, chikage?

If she did start learning, I don't think she would learn quick enough to be able to contend with any of the current characters. Who knows, maybe if she started now after 50-100 chapters or so depending on how much time passes over the course of that many chapters she could school Ukita.

[Duo]

Final fight of the series should be Honoka vs. Ukita.

[Graeystone]

The Elder isn't as invincible as he thinks-
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/354/02/

Don't like Apachai's line though. Seems to 'adult' for someone with a 'childlike innocence.' Only time we see Apachai being downright mature is when he is protecting someone or discussing his martial arts.

[Xeauron]

The Elder isn't as invincible as he thinks-
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/354/02/

Don't like Apachai's line though. Seems to 'adult' for someone with a 'childlike innocence.' Only time we see Apachai being downright mature is when he is protecting someone or discussing his martial arts.

Apachai is a champion of Othello now that he has played Honoka so much. Weak old man is weak. :P

Oh yeah, Honoka could also possibly learn chinese kempo do to her relationship with Natsu.

[jomegar]

The Elder isn't as invincible as he thinks-
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/354/02/

Don't like Apachai's line though. Seems to 'adult' for someone with a 'childlike innocence.' Only time we see Apachai being downright mature is when he is protecting someone or discussing his martial arts.

no you missed the earlier bits like when hes out with sakaki at the horse races and when he beats him in othello. He has flashes of ''im not that dumb'' but he isnt really been serious.

[skyguythree]

Does Anyone know what chapter Apachai fights the chinese dude?

[Xeauron]

Does Anyone know what chapter Apachai fights the chinese dude?

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/310/12/

[Monkeyken]

Apachai is the funniest character in HDSK, always makes me laugh, but I also like seeing when he gets serious, I want to see some more serious Apachai moments.

[rampage]

hmm im guessing the muay boran master is apas brother
i just realized something
when apa fought elder he was a teenager maybe a little older than kenichi and he went toe to toe with the old man...apa just became the scariest dude in hsdk
i think honoka learning muay thai would be better
come on watching a little girl go psycho and break stuff like apachai would be f***ing hilarious
APA FTW!!!

[besi_tua]

^But I'm afraid Apachai would kill her first. lol

[dimitri tuts]

APA FTW!!!


couldn't agree more :D:D:D:thumbup:

[Grisbaner]

hmm im guessing the muay boran master is apas brother
i just realized something
when apa fought elder he was a teenager maybe a little older than kenichi and he went toe to toe with the old man...apa just became the scariest dude in hsdk
i think honoka learning muay thai would be better
come on watching a little girl go psycho and break stuff like apachai would be f***ing hilarious
APA FTW!!!

You know, there are certain styles of Kung Fu which are among the most direct and external arts in the world. It just so happens that most of the stuff that has been shown in the series seems to focus on internal damage.

[MangaMunk]

Are all of u forgeting Sasaki? IMO he is one of the proer super masters in Ryozanpaku and is on par with Akisame. Is goes like this from proest to weakest

Elder>Askisame/Sasaki>Kensei Ma>Shigure/Apachai>Kenichi/Miu>Honoka

Apachai has a lot of room to grow and is one of the non-developed ryozanpaku masters. Also, he does not how to control himself fully. This might be good or bad bu i think that he cannot beat the muay thai master in Yomi/Yami. He has to teach ancient muay thai to Kenichi soon because i have a feeling that Kenichi will fight the Lion God soon.

[bludvein]

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/24/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/24/05/

Best Apachai quotes ever.

"That kind of hard things, you think about after you kill! Your brain is there so you can beat someone up!"

Akisame: "Most current martial arts, prohibit the use of knees and elbows during a match..."
Kenichi:"Why?"
Apachai:"Thats because! if you get hit wrong you die!
Akisame:"True, but, Muay Thai focuses on these two techniqes instead."
Kenichi:"Why?"
Apachai:"Thats because! If you get a good hit in, you can kill him!"

[superjatt]

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/24/03/
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/24/05/

Best Apachai quotes ever.

"That kind of hard things, you think about after you kill! Your brain is there so you can beat someone up!"

Akisame: "Most current martial arts, prohibit the use of knees and elbows during a match..."
Kenichi:"Why?"
Apachai:"Thats because! if you get hit wrong you die!
Akisame:"True, but, Muay Thai focuses on these two techniqes instead."
Kenichi:"Why?"
Apachai:"Thats because! If you get a good hit in, you can kill him!"

my favorite apachai quote is, "Hello we have your child" or something along those lines. he answers the phone like this and when he said it in the anime i lost it. Anyways on to Apachai's talent. I think that you guys arent giving him enough credit. he's my favorite character and i even started training muay thai because of him (not just because of him but when i was deciding what martial art to pick he helped)

[krachek]

I have an inkling that Apachai's master is the Muay Thai master in Yami. I've been re-reading HSDK and I've noticed some of the things Apachai has said about his master.


Apachai mentioned that there's an amazing person in Yami and he's willing to give his life to protect Kenichi. He may not be talking about his master here, but it's a possibility.
"Apachai's master always said Muay Thai is the strongest." (189, pg 9) - which links with the Yami master's statement of Muay Thai being the strongest martial art.
"That kind of hard things, you think about after you kill! Your brain is there so you can beat someone up!" - this is a quote originally given by Apachai's master, and we all know what Yami stands for.


Of course, I could be completely wrong, lol.

[bludvein]

I have an inkling that Apachai's master is the Muay Thai master in Yami. I've been re-reading HSDK and I've noticed some of the things Apachai has said about his master.


Apachai mentioned that there's an amazing person in Yami and he's willing to give his life to protect Kenichi. He may not be talking about his master here, but it's a possibility.
"Apachai's master always said Muay Thai is the strongest." (189, pg 9) - which links with the Yami master's statement of Muay Thai being the strongest martial art.
"That kind of hard things, you think about after you kill! Your brain is there so you can beat someone up!" - this is a quote originally given by Apachai's master, and we all know what Yami stands for.


Of course, I could be completely wrong, lol.
Im fairly sure its not his master, though I have no proof. If I had to guess id say that it is a fellow student of the same master though.

[losthero15]

I have an inkling that Apachai's master is the Muay Thai master in Yami. I've been re-reading HSDK and I've noticed some of the things Apachai has said about his master.


Apachai mentioned that there's an amazing person in Yami and he's willing to give his life to protect Kenichi. He may not be talking about his master here, but it's a possibility.
"Apachai's master always said Muay Thai is the strongest." (189, pg 9) - which links with the Yami master's statement of Muay Thai being the strongest martial art.
"That kind of hard things, you think about after you kill! Your brain is there so you can beat someone up!" - this is a quote originally given by Apachai's master, and we all know what Yami stands for.


Of course, I could be completely wrong, lol.
You may have something there. That quote by Apachai's master raised some red flags for me. My guess would be that Apachai's master sent him to fight in that underground ring as training where he met the Elder.

[bludvein]

You may have something there. That quote by Apachai's master raised some red flags for me. My guess would be that Apachai's master sent him to fight in that underground ring as training where he met the Elder.

We already saw how the Elder and Hopachai met, and it certainly isnt because of the underground ring.

[sapherosth]

Are all of u forgeting Sasaki? IMO he is one of the proer super masters in Ryozanpaku and is on par with Akisame. Is goes like this from proest to weakest

Elder>Askisame/Sasaki>Kensei Ma>Shigure/Apachai>Kenichi/Miu>Honoka

Apachai has a lot of room to grow and is one of the non-developed ryozanpaku masters. Also, he does not how to control himself fully. This might be good or bad bu i think that he cannot beat the muay thai master in Yomi/Yami. He has to teach ancient muay thai to Kenichi soon because i have a feeling that Kenichi will fight the Lion God soon.

i don't think apachai is that low in the food-chain of Ryozanpakuto.
he only fought a full battle once and has not shown his full potential of muay boran yet. even against the elder flashback we still didnt see any muay boran used, only basic muay thai..
in my opinion this manga is trying to promote Japanese martial arts. so i doubt we will get to see many muay thai fights.

[Babyraw]

While we can't really see much detail from this picture.

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/266/16/

I'd say the Muay Thai master of Yami is probably in his mid 20's or so from what we have seen so far. Apachi is probably in his early 20's to mid 20's in my opinion. Would be great if there was a databook.


Apachai is at the beginning of the Manga / Anime 28 years old :)

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/7/09/

Well I dont think Apachai is going to die against the Yami Master. So far as i remember, apachai didnt put out all of his fighting potential in those fights we got to see of him yet, so i hope we will get to see one bad *** fight against the yami guy. On the other hand, i think apachai is by far stronger as anyone can think of ;)

Hmm, by the way, can anyone link the elder flashback of Apachai fighting the elder? I cant remember that one ;x

[scuzzmonky]

in my opinion this manga is trying to promote Japanese martial arts.

How do you figure? 2 of his masters teach him martials arts native to Japan, 2 teach him those foreign, he refuses kenjutsu and the elder teaches him techniques that aren't based on any style.

Meanwhile his friends primarily use arts that aren't native.

[ko-sukebe-gawa]

How do you figure? 2 of his masters teach him martials arts native to Japan, 2 teach him those foreign, he refuses kenjutsu and the elder teaches him techniques that aren't based on any style.

Meanwhile his friends primarily use arts that aren't native.

Yes, at least three of them: Kisara (taekwondo), Takeda (boxing) and Tanimoto (Chinese kenpo).
(Anyone else?)

And don't forget Miu, who seems to have her own particular style. And that first technique which she taught Kenichi (remember the chapter 3?) actually comes from a Chinese martial art.

If an idea about Japan has been promoted, it was the idea that Japan has a great concentration of various martial art schools. This theory has been explicitly stated by Shou Kanou on a YOMI meeting.

[sapherosth]

How do you figure? 2 of his masters teach him martials arts native to Japan, 2 teach him those foreign, he refuses kenjutsu and the elder teaches him techniques that aren't based on any style.

Meanwhile his friends primarily use arts that aren't native.

Threre's 3 japanese martial art jiujutsu, swords and karate in the dojo. 4 japanese if including elder as one and 2 foriegn in Ryozanpaku. The spotlight is mostly on Kenichi and the martial art he is learning is 3 japanese and he is going to be the strongest disiple in the world and he learns mostly japanese martial art. so i guess thats kind of promoting it.

[james donovan]

It's unavoidable isn't it? Since the manga is Japanese and the author is too, though he has really made a great effort to learn about and depict other culture's martial arts, I got a real kick out of seeing him show Kalari Payattu, that was a totally unexpected and very pleasant surprise.

He really fails to do Chinese kungfu justice, but when you think about it, in any Chinese story, there'd be like a hundred or so various Chinese styles being depicted but the Token Evil Japanese Foreigner will be 99% Karate or nothing else, when Japanese martial arts are quite a bit more complex than that.

So yes he's giving Japanese arts more airtime, but I don't think he's actively "promoting" it above any art, it's just unavoidable that he talks more about it.

I think he's moving along in the Bruce Lee vein, the philosophy of Jeet Kune Do -- no-style is what Kenichi ought to end up with. Not "no style", "no-style". :) He'll incorporate whatever works, discard whatever doesn't, and become totally badass.

(and someday he and Miu will finally... -_- taking too bloody long)

[james donovan]

Oh sorry... this is an Apachai thread. Back on topic...

I think Elder > {Sakaki = Apachai = Koetsuji = Apachai = Shigure}.

Victory is as much a matter of conditions on the ground as other factors. When you have all these masters who have reached the pinnacle of skill in the fighting arts, if they ever do duel it will be the little things that make or break the battle. And the next time if they try again (that is if both parties survive...) it will likely be all up in the air again, because conditions are different.

I recognize the inherent tendency to try for hierarchical classification, but as the Ryozanpaku masters themselves say, it's nonsense and meaningless to even try ranking them. (though deep inside, they would be eager to try their skills, except that Mr Ridiculous Superman would make them look like Kenichis)

[sapherosth]

Oh sorry... this is an Apachai thread. Back on topic...

I think Elder > {Sakaki = Apachai = Koetsuji = Apachai = Shigure}.

Victory is as much a matter of conditions on the ground as other factors. When you have all these masters who have reached the pinnacle of skill in the fighting arts, if they ever do duel it will be the little things that make or break the battle. And the next time if they try again (that is if both parties survive...) it will likely be all up in the air again, because conditions are different.

I recognize the inherent tendency to try for hierarchical classification, but as the Ryozanpaku masters themselves say, it's nonsense and meaningless to even try ranking them. (though deep inside, they would be eager to try their skills, except that Mr Ridiculous Superman would make them look like Kenichis)


The elder is only there to make all martial arts look equal and one is not better than the other idea.
Apachai has 2 levels if you think about it.
level 1 muay thai
level 2 muay boran.

[james donovan]

Except that the Elder doesn't practice "martial arts" per se, he's a Kryptonian.

No, he's even better. He can talk with each of his lungs separately at the same time.

He and Tochomaru are of a kind, they're just there for comic relief by means of unbelievable hyperbole.

[Nihil_Lemonjello]

Yeah, I think she is around the age of 20-22 maybe? Though that is just purely speculation, who knows she could anywhere in the range of 18-24. Akisame did pick her up when she was but a child and his appearance hasn't seemed to have aged THAT much since then. Apacha is probably a couple of years older than her though, though its pretty much completely baseless.

Since the Muay Thai master is the last one to be revealed, do you think the next arc will be with Apachai, so the Muay Thai master will finally be revealed?

Shigure Was Brought To Ryouzanpaku when she was like 16 or so. Now She Could Be Like 20 or 21.

That Would be Cool. But That'll Probably Happen Towards the End When Kenichi and The Titawat Guy or Whatever Have There Rematch Probably Before Tanimoto and Probably During The Big War or Whatever.

[Nihil_Lemonjello]

Except that the Elder doesn't practice "martial arts" per se, he's a Kryptonian.

No, he's even better. He can talk with each of his lungs separately at the same time.

He and Tochomaru are of a kind, they're just there for comic relief by means of unbelievable hyperbole.

I Wonder Who Will Fight The main Fist? The Elder's son and Miu's Father. Maybe We Will Get to See elder reveal more of his unbeatable 108 moves.

If Apachai has a main fight, we will get to see some specific special moves besides basic moves that he makes deadly. :D

[E-Spirit]

btw check out Apachai's Age

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/7/09/

God damn the elder sold him to us xD

[rampage]

Except that the Elder doesn't practice "martial arts" per se, he's a Kryptonian.

No, he's even better. He can talk with each of his lungs separately at the same time.

He and Tochomaru are of a kind, they're just there for comic relief by means of unbelievable hyperbole.

hes the japanese version of chuck norris

[Pein is God]

Elder still pratice martial arts.. that's what he does when goes on his "trips" into the mountain where no1 can see him train. [ unless I'm just confused..]