War and diseases: Why do they exist?

[Harvester]

Now, before everyone completely crushes and destroys my theories, just listen.

I thought of this a while ago, when I was watching a news show, and during the segment they speaker said that house-holds should limit the number of children born to 2 (in order to reduce future carbon emissions; the segement was about Global Warming). Anyway, my theory is that humanity has developed the concept of going to war as a means to limit the population. This would be because we, as a race, out number a very large number of the other species in the world. And later, as the total population of humans in the world rose, new and more devastating diseases and disorders appeared. Again, these appeared as a means to limit the population, as war was obviously not working.

As to what evidence I have for this, I really don't have much, but I'll try to explain it. As time went on and humanity's knowledge of science improved, we began to increase our average lifespan significantly. During the middle ages of Europe, for example, the average lifespan for a healthy adult was probably between 30 and 40 years of age. Compared to today, which is probably between 70 and 80 (in the U.S., but these are only guess-timates(yay for making up words!)). Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about cancer or heart disease killing anybody off before the 1900's. And I KNOW that HIV/AIDS didn't appear until after the 1950's.

Again, I have very little evidence for these theories, but I just thought I'd throw this out there for discussion.

[Useless]

War isn't a way of killing off humans. Scientists would have found a gene that gives people an innate nature to fighting. War comes about due to differences in a persons/social groups/countries way of doing things. Hatred and things like that are also reasons for war. I don't have many examples here, but I'm pretty sure its not an evolutionary thing.

As for the diseases, they evolved into what they are today. Just as humans have changed and adapted to things like longer lifespans, viruses and diseases have adapted to be able to infect people differently. AIDS was around before the 1950's, its just that it wasn't a danger to humans. Humans being the key word there. Diseases will adapt to new targets as well, which is why some diseases just 'appear' suddenly.

[SilentBuddhist]

People aren't the only living things that go to war, animals and insects have their own "wars" too. We go to war simply because we disagree with others and feel that what others are doing is wrong. That's it.

As for diseases and such, they happen because there's not a person alive who is 100% healthy. Diseases are the result of the weaknesses in our immune systems. Over the ages we've simply found better means of fighting certain diseases, which is why we live longer.

And lastly, cancer, heart disease and AIDS/HIV have always existed, we simply discovered them after the 1900's. It's like asking yourself, "Before the Himalayas were discovered, what was the world's largest mountain?" It was the Himalayas, because even though we never discovered them at that point, that didn't mean they never existed.

[Rain-chan]

In a way, war does have to do with population... but not to do with intentionally killing of people because its in our genes or anything... It's a lot to do with a economical theory believe it or not... "In this world, there are limited resources and unlimited wants" And as population increases so does those 'wants', however, the resources we have are still limited... what do we do? fight for it of cause! (through violence, negotiation and strategies...etc.)

As for diseases... they evolve and adapt to new condition like us humans, that's why we get a new flu strand every year. And like what other people said before, we just found a way to combat those diseases through technology and involved common practice (like taking a bath everyday^^) The average human live spain was low has alot to do with infant mortality too. Now because of new vaccines and medical care, babies have a lower chance of dying after birth.

And, yes. cancer and heart disease have always existed (not sure about and AIDS/HIV since they might have been evolved from an earlier virus that might not be as deadly)... But yeah, I remeber reading it in a science magazine somewhere that doctors have performed autopsies found that an average human been would have had 'cancer' around 20 times in their life time... most of the time the body is able to stop it before it even begins to expand... cancer and heart disease has a lot to do with our diet too. the food we eat today is very different from what we eact 1 - 2 hundred years ago.

[VelvetRose]

wars exists because humans desire power and thrives on fear... the power to control, its been shown in history books and movies. take hitler, he wanted to completely abliterate the jew, gays, gimpsies, and others who were different. he himself said that he wanted to create a master race, a form of control. fear is factor to any conflict. when people dont understand a certain action they retaliate.

as for diseases, the environment changes and evolves like humans do. nothing stays the same, hence the longer life span and new viruses that are discovered. in a couple decades scientist will find cure and undiscovred viruses will com out again. its the cycle and it will go on forever.

[ghassassin]

Anyway, my theory is that humanity has developed the concept of going to war as a means to limit the population. This would be because we, as a race, out number a very large number of the other species in the world. And later, as the total population of humans in the world rose, new and more devastating diseases and disorders appeared. Again, these appeared as a means to limit the population, as war was obviously not working.


The concept of war among humans goes way back to the time since humanity exists. They didnt develop "war" to restrict population. Population took its catastrophic toll in these last few centuries. It was so smoothly controlled till the 16-17th century. War was developed to satisfy the greed, lust of power and lewd to inflict suffering on the weak, of certain individuals. Why? Coz nature has the law, "The Survival of The Fittest" and the greed, lust and lewd helped them survive. The most powerful one survives. Earlier when, the dinos and other powerful creatures were dominant, human population was so much restricted. Then humans developed weapons and all and thus came the human dominance over other species. Its a but natural, without "war" and "conflict", you cannot have peace. Peace has no meaning without war. To survive and maintain the equilibrium of nature, humans went through numerous wars.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

meh, bored so I'll post here...even if war and disease were both meant to restrict the world's population, it still isn't working. Our species is consuming 30% MORE of what Earth can reproduce every year. Little by little our population continues to increase even with attempts to stop it (like China's new "1 child per household" limit)

[Hopeless]

I would have to say that war isn't a way to restrict the population... it's a mere by-product of men's greed and pride... as long as these two are around conflicts will never cease to exist and peace is just a mere illusion for us as it is...

About diseases and the sort... you could say that it's a natural limiting factor for the growing population... as further developed we may seem from the past human species, certain viruses and bacteria have also evolved along the time so there wouldn't be any stop to people having diseases and all...

[Tensa Zangetsu]

hmm, I guess you could say the same thing for natural disasters (hurricanes, earthquakes, etc)

[Ikarus]

War isnt produce of something like population restriction or such but from our instinct to spread ourselves and force others under our reign.
Also catastrophes arent things that is intentional for our earth its not like earth has some sensor that says now would be a good time to rot some people out.
And then sends out some disasters.
Its more like our planet is still not fully developed and if its ever then we would be long dead i mean the whole mankind.

[tikeo]

I believe war is created because people and other people just dislike other people; and also for recourses or land. (Like lions, birds, ect.)

As for disease, I agree with a lot of people on them evolving, and adapting to survive. As for cancer, it might be life style, living longer, or environment. There are other things that factor in, such as genetic disorders, and may cause cancer, or deaths after a certain age.

[tinderfitles]

That damn Pandora and her box. >.>

Conflict exist because it has a reason to. Doesn't matter on what that reason is (revenge, land grab, or boredom) there will always be conflict, because there will always be reason, and that is inevitable.

Diseases exist because viral bacteria follow the basics of evolution live, adapt, and reproduce just like any other life form. When a new antibody is discovered to kill living viruses those virus adapt or die. And when they adapt they reproduce until those living are forced to adapt again, in which case they produce a stronger strain. Then it just goes on and on.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

I really don't see war and disease having a true "reason" to exist. Humans feel they must put a reason to everything because they can't really believe in something that has no purpose, the whole idea about fate and destiny. Disease exists because it was created in some way shape or form. War exists because certain humans feel their ideas are better than others', and sometimes they are.

[Sniper]

While war definitely isn't a means of population control (not yet, at least), it does help.:p

War is for various reasons, but isn't new to humanity. It's the same as lions fighting over mates or food or territory. In fact, most human wars are for many of the same reasons. We just happen to do it on a much grander scale. Disease is caused by microscopic organisms. It really doesn't have much to do with anything except poor hygiene or bad luck. Unless your talking about biological warfare, and that brings us back to war.

[yep]

war can be for anything from fame to power to resources. thats about all for that, all for the good of a person, country, or anything else like that. as for disease. i dont think anyone can completely explain that. its like asking why we're here, why there are trees, and about anything else you can think of. they just are and their purpose is to kill to survive.

[Darkness]

i love everyones opinion ^^

i cant speak much for war. i think its because the existence of "hate" but i dont know to well, hehe.

Well as for disease... all humans have a gene that tells us when we are suppose to die. we only live cause we created medicines to help us, so we just prolonge the inevitable.

as for me... death is part of life, i do wish to die, but also hopefully not to early and not in a terrible painful death. (hope that makes sense somehow)

but i do hope that our generation and the next generations after find a way that we can live happy in peace. (but i know thats asking a lot) im just an idealist

[Noelle]

War exists because of greed and unrealistic ambitions, IMO.

Greed for more land, aspiring for a world without certain races - look at what happened in World War I, the purging of the Jews, and in the end, Hitler still fell. War itself is the manifestation of the ugly side all humans have. War can bring out the best in some, but the worst in others. Nonetheless it is still started, and ended, by the same beings - humans.

Diseases on the other hand are purely natural. One could say it's nature's way of keeping the human population under control. Global overpopulation would certainly result in nasty living conditions, which I'd rather not think about.

I agree with Darkness, death is part of life, and vice versa. Neither can exist without the other. But while war is the result of human instinct and feeling, diseases are not. Diseases are something beyond our ability to control; the most we can do is to find cures for them. But they will keep evolving, and since our instinct to survive remains intact, so do we.

Well in short... IMO, war exists because of human instinct and feeling. War can be controlled, if only humans sincerely do not wish to fight. Diseases on the other hand, don't have to have a reason for their existence: they are just there, and can never be completely eradicated.

[Rosario_Vampire]

they exist to keep the human population in check, were it not for disease and war, the entire world would be stretched on resources....im not saying its a good thing, but it is natures way of keeping us in control...

[Useless]

Nature doesn't cause war. You don't see the spirits of nature communing with countries to invade/attack other countries. Wars exist due to cultural differences within the world and the separate societies. Diseases are created by nature, but they aren't doing that to kill humans. Thats why there are viruses that don't affect humans or others that only infect animals.

[Rosario_Vampire]

ok...war is just human selfishness...but disease is both nature's and human's fault....

[Useless]

How do humans contribute to the progression of disease?
They evolve causing viruses to evolve further as well?
That doesn't make much sense...

[Rosario_Vampire]

the use of antibiotics contributes to how resistant diseases are to the cure...overuse of antibiotics is just making them harder to kill

[Useless]

If they didn't use the antibiotics, then the disease would be much worse. They don't use them for fun. Scientists don't feel that they need to make it 'challenging' to cure a disease.

[kiri]

War is made by humans. So the quickest way to spread peace is to declare war. No humans=no war. But that idea is sick.
Diseases are caused by viruses or stuff, whether man made or not.

[Rosario_Vampire]

If they didn't use the antibiotics, then the disease would be much worse. They don't use them for fun. Scientists don't feel that they need to make it 'challenging' to cure a disease.

people use them for common cuts that pose no threat....we justs throw it around like it will always keep working....we use antibiotic hand soap....which just contributes to the diseases immunity

[Useless]

It also contributes to disease prevention. That happens to be the main point of antibiotics.
I also think your thinking of anti bacterial soap.

[ghassassin]

How do humans contribute to the progression of disease?
They evolve causing viruses to evolve further as well?
That doesn't make much sense...

Epidemics? More populated area = accelerated "progression of disease".
Lets say its just you alone on an island and you get virus. Chances are very slim, I'll acquire it as well.

[bleachigo10]

Here is my opinion.

War: Because its fun

Disease: Because people are unclean

[Useless]

/Sigh.
War isn't "fun". Its people fighting and dying, which isn't really a good use of human life. War is natural and unavoidable due to human nature, but they don't do it for a good time, unless they happen to be creepy, sadistic, or from Hellsing. >.>
Diseases come from not showering regularly? I really don't think the "Axe Effect" will stop me from getting a cold...:/

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Diseases come from not showering regularly? I really don't think the "Axe Effect" will stop me from getting a cold...:/

LOL!.....

and yeah....when I thought about how much wars suck, I realized that guy from hellsing is more insane then I originally thought >.>

seriously though, wars suck.... The irony of that is trying to obtain peace through war...diseases? I don't think there really is all that needed to know about them....our planet is filthy....simple as that

[Useless]

Viruses don't come from the world being filthy. The world isn't ours, since it doesn't house only humans. There are other plants, animals, organisms, and bacteria. They don't make it filthy, they just make it harder for a peaceful coexistence between humans and nature.

Wow...I sound like a hippie...:/

[Sniper]

Screw hippies, I have no sympathy for killing a virus.

[L's Successor]

Kill a virus...and a new even more resistful one shall be born.

I don't bask in filth, but I rather be contaminated by a disease that can be treated than be diagnosed by a rare disease resistant to most anti-biotics.

Oh, and screw hippes too...:o

[HEADMASTER]

it's because of man/s weakness that these exist.
They crave for power and knowledge which leads to envy that brings the world into chaos.
WIth the new technologies, pollution arises and so new diseases also arise

[ghassassin]

it's because of man/s weakness that these exist.
They crave for power and knowledge which leads to envy that brings the world into chaos.
WIth the new technologies, pollution arises and so new diseases also arise

Knowledge? Who fights for knowledge?

And you mean diseases exist because of pollution? Eh? Even in the starting phases of human evolution, diseases existed. Where did they have pollution? On the contrary, they lacked all medical facilities that we have now. With that part, we are certainly better than our counterparts of that era.

[Raigeseki]

not really, we built up natural immunities, and passed em on to the next generation, im not saying live like a pig, just take all of the aspirin and over the counter medications away and let people deal with it. also war happens cuz somewhere someone's got a resource we need, or a belief thats different then ours. or we just simply hate them xD

[Megabuster]

it's because of man/s weakness that these exist.
They crave for power and knowledge which leads to envy that brings the world into chaos.
WIth the new technologies, pollution arises and so new diseases also arise

Disease and sickness will always exist. They are neccesary to our existance, Ive always been a strong advocate of population control so disease is like my second best friend.......lol


Seriously tho some things that make us sick are neccesary for nature to continue to function. That whole crap about mans weakness is bull. Disease and sickness are just inevitable parts of life I mean dogs get heart worms and wth have they done to screw up the world?

[Useless]

Probably a lot, the sneaky bastards that they are...>.>"
Anyways, disease isn't only affecting man, so its obviously not due to man's weakness. If anyone argues against this, well..your stupid. I'll say it here and probably won't repeat myself unless its really bad. So...just letting you guys know! ;)

[Megabuster]

As for war.....well if there is peace there has to be war. Unless you completely assimilate the whole planet and turn the human race into a new colonial species( ants and stuff, it has a scientific name though) it is inevitable. Not to mention its been written into out DNA to kick the asses of people we dont like. As long as we have free will we will have war...>.>

[Useless]

I don't think that if there is peace, there is war. It isn't a coexistence, there is either one or the other. A bomb doesn't seem peaceful and nothing (peace) doesn't seem like a war. It isn't encoded in our DNA to hurt those we don't like, but there is selfishness there. There is also the reasons why we wage war, which is pretty much just the warped reasons that the people waging the war come up with to get the soldiers ready to fight...

[Megabuster]

Selfishness, anger, jealosy,etc are all just reasons people use to resort to violence. If there is peace somewhere its only because there was a war prior and the winner is standing on top of the hill now until the loser gets stronger and comes back to take the friggin hill.

[HEADMASTER]

Knowledge? Who fights for knowledge?

And you mean diseases exist because of pollution? Eh? Even in the starting phases of human evolution, diseases existed. Where did they have pollution? On the contrary, they lacked all medical facilities that we have now. With that part, we are certainly better than our counterparts of that era.

but of course everyone fights for knowledge that's why we have a debate forum here...

dont they use knowledge in wars?

yeah i Know diseases existed way before but not s fatal as of today
remember people lived over a hundred years before

[Ussop]

[...]diseases existed way before but not s fatal as of today
remember people lived over a hundred years before
Wrong! There were many diseases in the past (such as smallpox) which had a higher mortality rate than the diseases these days. What that made you feel that the diseases these days are more fatal is merely a result of increased awareness for diseases in the general public. If you want to talk about diseases like SARS, go compare the number of death resulted with the common flu (which kills more people and have being around since like forever).

[ghassassin]

but of course everyone fights for knowledge that's why we have a debate forum here...

dont they use knowledge in wars?


Even the cavemen used to fight dinosaurs. They had no "knowledge" whatsoever, yet they fought.....for survival. Same is the case even now, people fight because "survival of the fittest" is the cruel yet inevitable law of nature. They evolved gradually and increased their knowledge to survive in front of their enemies. Most of the inventions were made in the war times when the militaries used them for an extra advantage.
Knowledge is for war, war is not for knowledge.

[SilentBuddhist]

yeah i Know diseases existed way before but not s fatal as of today
remember people lived over a hundred years before

Wrong. Dead wrong. Most people a couple centuries ago barely lived past their 40's. They lacked the medical knowledge we have today, and were filthier then the world we live in today. Hell, back then doctors didn't even clean their scalpels when dealing with multiple patients, they just let the blood crust over the blade even when treating another patient. Most ways of curing a problem was to amputate the limb that was damaged/diseased. Compare that to today's society.

[L's Successor]

but of course everyone fights for knowledge that's why we have a debate forum here...

dont they use knowledge in wars?

yeah i Know diseases existed way before but not s fatal as of today
remember people lived over a hundred years before

lol someone take his shovel from him, if not he wont stop burying himself


but considering a many number of people have already picked at his statement...i wont.


btw, ghass, cavemen and dinosaurs never coexisted :o, but your completely right when you said knowledge is for war, and not the other way around.

[HEADMASTER]

to all who commented about my posts

do you think we have a higher life expectancy now?
in the past we dont have pollution, aside from natural diseases, we also have a higher risk of getting sick cause of pollution and that is my point.
DO you know what kind of gases that cars emit now? (SOX) or sulfur dioxides, and think of other waste emitted from power plants, dont you think it lessens our life expectancy.
Remember chernobyl incident.

[L's Successor]

to all who commented about my posts

do you think we have a higher life expectancy now?
in the past we dont have pollution, aside from natural diseases, we also have a higher risk of getting sick cause of pollution and that is my point.
DO you know what kind of gases that cars emit now? (SOX) or sulfur dioxides, and think of other waste emitted from power plants, dont you think it lessens our life expectancy.
Remember chernobyl incident.

geez...

1) Life expectancy is going up, not down. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
Thats all I have to say about that.

2) Let me rephrase your remark; "in the past we didn't have pollution." Of course we did, but today is the time when we're actually making efforts to lessen it. And you don't make sense when you say "we have a higher risk of getting sick cause of pollution."

3) Some of the most common car gas emissions are nitrogen oxides (NOx, x being there because of its various oxidation states...i think) Carbon Monoxides, and Hydrocarbons...but where the hell did you get SOX (The x is never included, the most fundamental and prerequisite rule in 8th grade chemistry) from? And plus i think sulfur dioxide is SO2. Either way, all these types of gasses, give, are hazardous...but only when exposed in large quantities...or in a concealed space. Not only that...people are working to reduce these emissions (as previously stated).

4) If you "remember" the chernobyl disaster, then you must be over 23 AT LEAST, and given your english skills...i highly doubt that. Back to the point...tell me...how often DO meltdowns occur at a level of 7? Not so much my friend, not so much.

Edit: Sulfur Dioxides are exposed in power plants...if that is what you were trying to get at; sorry for misinterpreting your poor use of quotation marks.

[SilentBuddhist]

do you think we have a higher life expectancy now?
Yes we have a higher life expectancy. It's not what we think, it's a fact.
in the past we dont have pollution, aside from natural diseases, we also have a higher risk of getting sick cause of pollution and that is my point.
DO you know what kind of gases that cars emit now? (SOX) or sulfur dioxides, and think of other waste emitted from power plants, dont you think it lessens our life expectancy.
I live near Denver Colorado, and the whole city is under a cloud of smog. Sure, it's not a good thing, but at the same time Denver isn't near a forest, and I don't hear of any deaths because of the smog cloud above it. And some rather old people live in Denver and they haven't complained about it.

[ghassassin]

Remember chernobyl incident.

Lets say a 1 year old dies in an accident or due to illness. No way does it mean, the life expectancy is 1 year.

[Angelic Alchemist]

I have to say,I don't think humans have war to limit the populations.Yeah I know us humans are a violent race-but I don't think so. I just think it's a couple of stupid people who don't get their way,so they create war and here we go.But I mean it's just the way the world is.But I guess we can't do anything about this disaster thing.The more cures we find to sicknesses we find more stuff wrong.But yes,I guess war has something to do with population we're running out of stuff for the world and not everybody gets their share.

[ghassassin]

I just think it's a couple of stupid people who don't get their way,so they create war and here we go.

They are not stupid people. They are humans. As long as humanity exists, there will be war...no matter what. War is necessary for survial and it is the bitter reality. I am not saying wars happen for any good, or the wars that happened earlier were for the better-ment of human being, but the fittest survives and thats the fact. Not talking about nuclear wars and all but talking about "war" in general, if you can't fight...you shouldn't exist, ofcourse the "scale" you are fighting at may differ.

[piyochama]

Actually, to respond to the first post... Humans are pretty much on a set course for destruction. Its pretty much the inevitable fate of most, if not all, species to die out and/or evolve into a new one, whether by a hand-of-god thing or maybe even through some suicidal move on our part. Wars aren't really necessary for limiting population growth -- I forget the term, but there is an ecological term for the kind of growth curve that the human population is undergoing, in which at a certain point we will cease to grow and slowly our numbers will dwindle down.

[Lucha]

Sure war is fun, otherwise there wouldn't be 'Command & Conquer 4' don't you think?
It's a joke...

The reason of war exist is because humans exist. Sole reason behind all this 'reasons' of war is, the 'will to survive' exist inside humans.

And not only inside humans but inside of every living creature (see how ants invade other colonies to capture some slave worker, or the killer bees invading honey bees and mercilessly slaughtered all the honey bees only for... honey...).

Back to the arguments..., humans does possess the will to survive. In the early age of mankind, war haven't evolved like nowadays, there are so much reason to fighting nowadays. In the early age, it's only for the purpose of survive.

Before mankind learns how to farm, the way they live is like gathering food from one place and move to another place when resource is depleted. The population on one group is like no more than 50 humans. At that time, there's still plenty of resources nature provided, and humans don't fight for resources... yet... But they fight for (sorry) women. Whoever leads the group, are likely win most (if not all) the women and therefore secure his bloodline. The others unsatisfied with their 'share' challenge the alpha male, thus 'rebellion' broke and 'war' happens (In terms of fighting 1 on 1 for being the alpha). This lifestyle last for long time. But when the nature resources are decreasing, humans develops the way of farming. By that time, people tends to stay at one place. By this time, bloodline aren't the main problems anymore because no one will 'work' for you if they're not satisfied. So the alpha learns to share his precious 'share'. The problem is, there's always someone too lazy to work (or perhaps haven't learnt the way of farming) and always bugging you to give them resources (mostly the other tribe). And if you're not giving it, they take the old way, fight for the right. And so army are gathered and war broke..., again...

And from Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, to the modern age, the reasons of war evolved and evolved. I mean..., in the information age like now, people kills for information’s^^, or for the so called religion (remember the crusade).

The 'will for survive' with some 'selfishness to share' flavor are the cause of it (war) in the first place. It's good to have it, but there are also consequences to it.

As for disease, bacteria and virus exist because they're too 'living', it's like asking why humans exist...?

Why diseases occurs to humans and kill so much of us is because we are the only one who worries about it.
It's a joke too...

6 billion humans inhabiting one small planet called earth, fighting each other, live unhealthy life, and trash everywhere. It's not that virus and bacteria have any grudges with us, it's only because their 'will to survive'. They search for place they can live happily ever after, and found out that humans body are perfectly fit for their living place. Any place that can constantly provides resources like body of humans, animals, even trees, are perfect place. That's for external cause disease.
For the internal cause, humans body 'overreacts' to those alien object such virus and bacteria or perhaps some non-living alien object. And sometimes, our own body just rejects our own existence. When the antibody doesn't recognize our body, it's called 'disease' too. Depending on cases, don't ask me why all of this happens... Ask God I say.

That's all... Sorry if my English sucks...

[silent_howl]

humans are an egoistique species, they belives that the earth, all animal and vegetal belongs to them (and naturaly fought for possessed it)
like all the trash that humans do, the war has no meaning to be.
Have you ever smell an elevage of cow for production, it stink three kilometer of diametre. the war is the same, even if you smell it, and think it stink, it doesn't stop you to propagate it.

Human are addicting to violence, and if in a other country poeple are dying they will just continued to eat peacefully and watch the news.How many time, someone taking mesure to stop the war?I say seldom, because the war is part of the human kind and it seems that not a lot of humans being are able to take this mesure, the majority just live with their small boring problem that not even comparable to war, famine or earth environemental problem.

for their deffense they say some greats words for excuse their behavior to war. They say ,it for our country, for helping our allies, take a territory (belonging to others), but when they said those things it seems the right thing to do,however, they never said what they really think.

The war is just a mouvement of mass, directed by an wolf and following by sheeps.
if your are not for the war ,your are against and if your are against, your are with me.
let take mesures to stop it.

*the earth does not belongs to man, man belong to the earth (SITTING BULL)*

[EightySix]

well war isn't used to regulate human population but it is an effective mean of doing so. Just like how diseases aren't used to regulate human population. Its humans who are creating more cures that the diseases themselves will eventually overcome by mutating due to constant exposure to the "cure". Therefore the disease ends up getting more dangerous.

There is no higher power playing around with lives creating war and disease just to regulate the human population coz if thats the case you might as well say hurricanse, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions etc etc are all part of that higher power's doings.

[Roadkill007]

Great topic. If you want more materials to make you think about this topic, check out orson scott card's "speaker for the dead", and "xenocide", both sequels to "ender's game". great brain food.

Anyways back to the topic at hand, I do believe that war is there is redistribute the resources and population of the world. Explanations such as "instinct to spread ourselves and force others under our reign.", I believe, are merely human contraptions to explain and excuse our urge. even if you say that it's to "force others under our reign", why would we want such a thing to begin with? to have power, which lets you control the resources.


I don't believe that disease is there FOR human population control, but I believe humans have adapted so that diseases help maintain population, rather than completly wipe us off the face of the Earth.