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SilverKunai
08-08-2007, 08:57 PM
A continuation of the first thread.
Dicuss!
Okay..So basically what you (Ohnoes) were saying was that Manaka just chose Nishino because he was confused/settled for less...
CLEARLY even when Toujo confesses..Manaka still says no..whereas before he woulda just stayed silent and it would've been awkward..And, it wasn't more of an obligation to Nishino because the way his character is portrayed, he's not the type to do that..he's the indecisive, doesn't know what to do/say type..Also..the way that chapter was portrayed, was it really an obligation? No..because of the way that it showed how much Manaka really cared for Nishino, and that was the moment he knew which one he would choose (Nishino), basically, he realized that with Toujo, it was his love for making movies with her that attracted him to her..but with Nishino what attracted him to her was the passion and the fact that all his weaknesses could turn into strengths with her, she was always his support in LIFE, not his support in MOVIE MAKING like Toujo was.
So, therefore, Nishino really did deserve to be with Manaka..and all of the people who think that Toujo should've ended up with him, basically didn't read the manga carefully enough and only thought about the "cliche ending", and not the bigger picture aka the real ending..
Athos
08-08-2007, 10:55 PM
Hmm... what wouldve been the ideal outcome? I mean, the guy had to pick someone right? I dont think the reason hardly anyone likes the ending is beacause Manaka paired up with the wrong girl.
Thats not it, rather, its because Toujou is destined to have a miserable never ending platonic love, and Satsuki... well I think she gives the impression that she will keep jumping on Manaka either way-_-, its easy to picture a happy ending for her.
I think that if Toujou had some sort of escape route that would somehow lead her to happyness I wouldnt give it much tought to who would Manaka choose at the end. But the mangaka was working so hard not making it a cliche ending that he forgot to consider the ridiculous amount of Toujou fans with their fingers crossed. Instead of going "Damn I had my money on Toujou. Oh well, *claps*", they went "Dude WTF?!" regardless of how much Nishino deserved the winning ticket.
Actually..Toujo in the end seemed happy..She basically closed off her "love" relationship with Manaka with her novels, and basically seemed happy and she grew stronger because of it..Also, she said that she still looks at Manaka for support and etc. So it really isn't like Toujo was depicted as this lonely miserable person, she was depicted in the end as the strong, happy, satisfied individual.
I was thought Manaka will end up with Tojou but after I read more than 100 chapters it seems Tojou is kinfd of boring person. If Manaka ended up with her, its like he is having a sibling because Tojou is shy and really have tons of similarity with Manaka.
I think Manaka and Nishino deserved to be together .
On the other hand, If I am Manaka, I am just going to be with Toujo while waiting Nishino and after that! than I will going out with Nishino :p
its an a$$ idea but if only hmmmm
Athos
08-09-2007, 12:22 AM
Hm... I guess its a personal perspective then. At the epilogue, the author also said that everyone will have happy and bright futures ahead of them. But its because Toujou fans like myself are, well, fans of Toujou, that they dont care if she made Manaka wait 3 years for her confession, or if Nishino made sacrifices for Manaka. People with biased opinions will only see the fact that their favorite character didnt get what they want at the end, which is what makes arguing with them really complicated.
If we talk about how much the girls worked for manaka's attention, Nishino deserves Manaka waay more than Toujou ever did. As for Manaka, well, he deserves an award for personal abstinence. He should have any girl he wants just for that.
kviteseid
08-09-2007, 12:26 AM
Okay..So basically what you (Ohnoes) were saying was that Manaka just chose Nishino because he was confused/settled for less...
CLEARLY even when Toujo confesses..Manaka still says no..whereas before he woulda just stayed silent and it would've been awkward..And, it wasn't more of an obligation to Nishino because the way his character is portrayed, he's not the type to do that..he's the indecisive, doesn't know what to do/say type..Also..the way that chapter was portrayed, was it really an obligation? No..because of the way that it showed how much Manaka really cared for Nishino, and that was the moment he knew which one he would choose (Nishino), basically, he realized that with Toujo, it was his love for making movies with her that attracted him to her..but with Nishino what attracted him to her was the passion and the fact that all his weaknesses could turn into strengths with her, she was always his support in LIFE, not his support in MOVIE MAKING like Toujo was.
So, therefore, Nishino really did deserve to be with Manaka..and all of the people who think that Toujo should've ended up with him, basically didn't read the manga carefully enough and only thought about the "cliche ending", and not the bigger picture aka the real ending..
I really to love you ...for reading my mind
go get them tiger
True, but if you were to be as unbiased as could be..and only look at the facts, you'd see how much more Nishino deserved Manaka than Toujo.
Athos
08-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Yeahh... Toujou being such a hottie doesnt help one bit... kinda clouds people's perceptions o_O
Resolvez
08-09-2007, 01:35 AM
Nishino deserves Manaka?, I know if its just me but I Manaka doesnt deserve Nishino or Tojou. Well cmon he lead ALL the girl on his indecisiveness shows that. To be honest his an idiot, thats just my opinion.
We're talking about out of those 3 girls, who deserved Manaka the most, and that was Nishino...
Also, in the end his indecisiveness disappeared, and well, even though he was an idiot, the ending basically had to be him and one of those 3 girls, and the one who got to be with him was the one who deserved him the most, as in Nishino.
Athos
08-09-2007, 02:37 AM
Hm... actually, Manaka doesnt really deserves any of the girls. These harem storylines make the main character desireble because everyone around him either has a huge flaw or its a girl. So, all he has to do is to be nice and reasonable, and he can get all the girls without doing absolubly nothing but going with the flow.
I dont think hes a complete imbecile, though. He managed to keep restraints on himself on all those god forsaken situations he gets into. As for why the hell did Nishino and Satsuki ever noticed him on the first place, only god knows.
You get to know why Nishino liked him later on and well I guess Satsuki noticed him cause they were sitting next to each other and it was a twist of fate :p
Resolvez
08-09-2007, 03:16 AM
Well you got some points there..god forsaken situations I like the discripetion. Well if you would count the votes (hypotheracly) on who will be with him (even though he doesnt deserved any of them) we all know who that fans will choose, right?
Victor
08-09-2007, 04:00 AM
I duno if Nishino is a perfect match but its nice :D Omg I love the ending in a way o_o
FateStayNight
08-09-2007, 05:40 AM
I think that Touya (not sure if i got that right) would be the better match since i truely saw the bond between them, much more than i did for Nishino and Manaka
What kind of bond did you see between Toujo and Manaka? The only bond that they had was basically due to their making movies together..Nishino and Manaka's bond was the romantic and passionate bond..So to say that Toujo is the better match for Manaka, is really entirely wrong..She may be the better match for Manaka when doing movies together, but Nishino is a better match for Manaka in life.
matt_itachi
08-09-2007, 05:48 AM
i think that tsukasa really deserves it even though the story circled around junpei and aya, junpei realizes that he really loves tsukasa..
from the beggining i really thought that junpei will be with aya but it was tsukasa...
FateStayNight
08-09-2007, 05:51 AM
But the thing is Toujo (thanks for correcting me on that) and Manaka's movie making bond was very passionate and in some ways romantic because Manaka's passion is to make movies, you can see that clearly throughout the manga and also in the end he is filming Nishino. So i loved the ending because that last scene because to me it shows that he found his love and his passion
OHNOES
08-09-2007, 11:24 AM
I just don't see the bigger picture.
And Fatestaynight, that picture is made of win and wtf?!?! xD
EternalShadows
08-09-2007, 02:01 PM
I think that most people believed that he would end up with toujou but he liked her and loved Nishino...his longing to be with Nishino was much greater than the other two girls...just face it he needs Nishino
Athos
08-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Toujou had huge proportions. Therefore, Manaka shouldve chosen her. I rest my case.
...
Im superficial. Shoot me.
EternalShadows
08-09-2007, 02:48 PM
yeah but so did satsuki even better but Nishino was chosen in the end... and by the way todays world is nothing but superficial so theres nothing wrong with being like that...just the way of the world
If you were going to go with being superficial, you'd have chosen Satsuki
Megabuster
08-09-2007, 08:46 PM
Well i stand by my choice of satsuki and toujo as being better candidates than nishino.
In what way was Satsuki and Toujo better candidates than Nishino? Do tell us.
Athos
08-10-2007, 01:35 AM
Its probably because Nishino meeting Manaka felt more like an accident. Noone ever expected them to end up together when the story was just beginning, having nothing in common and all, while Toujou and Satsuki had a reason beforehand to be with Manaka.
Lets just say the other two had a clear advantage over Nishino. She had to work twice as hard to get Manaka to choose her at the end. Had Toujou done anything but act like a victim through the whole manga, she couldve had Manaka anytime. But then again, it wouldve turned out to be a very short manga ¬.¬ Both Satsuki and Nishino had to do some really bold and unexpected moves to get extra votes on the poll.
Actually Nishino had a reason to be with Manaka also..so can't really say that the other two had a clear advantage over Nishino
Athos
08-10-2007, 01:51 AM
Im just talking about the moment when Manaka first met the girls. Nishino built up the "making Manaka a better person while shes around" thing, while Satsuki and Toujou didnt have to lift a finger to already have a bond with him, since their reasons were more obvious. I call that an advantage, what made people hard to figure out Nishino would be picked at the end
Yeah but throughout the manga, after the beginning I mean, if you read carefully enough, you'd see that Nishino basically had the biggest advantage out of all of them
Err..advantage as in influence over Manaka
Athos
08-10-2007, 04:09 AM
Eexactly... the reason why people tend to think Aya or Satsuki shouldve been picked is because they had rather obvious reasons to be picked, while it would take extensive examination to actually measure who would Manaka be happiest with. What "looking at the big picture" or "reading between the lines" means. What I find a very frustrating hobby. I enjoy being a casual reader. Which is contradictory because I just cant stop posting on this thread!
Somethings wrong with me. Ill just go read some more Mxo. Looks good!
But I mean it's not like you had to do some EXTENSIVE research per panel to realize that..it was basically if you just give it a little thought, you'd realize it
Beney
08-10-2007, 02:18 PM
just a question:
when manaka ask ookusa for help, and he told manaka to use a ballpen to pick a girl on which name does the ballpen lands?
i think it was on chapter 35. it shows the name but i cant read japanese.
Gaisselick
08-10-2007, 02:57 PM
I've read all the post and i was kinda disappointed b/c noone has spoken in behalf of kitaooji so far...I think her (tsukasa too) is the girl who truly deserve to be with her beloved one bc she's the only one who always fights for her love, no matter what happens she's always there for him...and I was really sad when she got dumped at the beginning and at the end. To whoever says she's a s***t i reply that she's never pushed manaka too far,even in the chapt "an adult kiss" at the end the kiss she gaves to manaka is just a regular kiss like the kind she had already given to him..it's true that manaka finds her in a more companioship way but that sucks any guys in high would've ended with her (at least during the 1st year) as I said at the beginning tsukasa too deserve to be with manaka cuzz fights for her, but the difference between her a kitaooji is the fact that she has her own dreams no matter what manaka would do, instead kitaooji finds herself just at the end of the story when she doesn't have manaka anymore, that's why i'm happy with the ending even if i'd rather seen manaka with kitaooji :P...well to whoever says that manaka and tuooji (aya) should end up togheter well she doesnt deserve him cuz as in italy we says, she's just a "dead cat" doesn't do anything to be with him...just a "dead cut"
OHNOES
08-10-2007, 03:10 PM
Well it was pretty obvious that Kitaooji wouldn't get Manaka halfway through the manga :D even though she put most effort in.
Gaisselick
08-10-2007, 03:45 PM
yeah i know that's why i skipped to the end bc i wanted know who he'd end up with...and was kinda relieved that he didn't end up with "deadcat"
LostMemories
08-10-2007, 04:34 PM
lol man read the whole thing haha
anyways yeah i think that kitaooji is one of those girls that really doesnt have alot of confidence in themselves and tries to sorta ..hm i dunno seduce? the guys by using their looks?... when rather aya is jsut way too shy and WAYYYY too nice .. >.> so i think if u go and read the manga again the artist actually hinted on he liked Ninshino ALOT and they were gonna be together but .. thats just wat i think. Alot of other discussions on other websites i've read tends to think aya ends up with Manaka later on...
i dunno if anyone actually found the alternative endings i think i still have them if u guys want them i can upload it somewhere its only like a chapter long each... and i dun think it has one for aya.. its not a very serious a.ending more like comedy...
OHNOES
08-10-2007, 05:05 PM
If I knew a real Manaka, I would just kick his *** for a few reasons:
1. DECIDE. NOW.
2. WTF do those girls see in you?
3. You're pissing me off xD
the list could continue of course like:
4. You just suck xD
Beney
08-10-2007, 05:29 PM
If I knew a real Manaka, I would just kick his *** for a few reasons:
1. DECIDE. NOW.
2. WTF do those girls see in you?
3. You're pissing me off xD
the list could continue of course like:
4. You just suck xD
isn't this a sign of being jealous?
EternalShadows
08-10-2007, 06:12 PM
Obviously its jealousy because maybe Manaka is more popular and has more girls swarming him hmmm....well am i close?
Nishino deserves Manaka?, I know if its just me but I Manaka doesnt deserve Nishino or Tojou. Well cmon he lead ALL the girl on his indecisiveness shows that. To be honest his an idiot, thats just my opinion.
Yes he is an idiot but he is an lucky one
Okay the reason that nobody vouched for Satsuki was well..she and Manaka really didn't have a spark in their relationship..It was more of a friend type thing..And well..throughout the manga, it was pretty obvious that Satsuki was going to get the short end of the stick =\
LostMemories
08-10-2007, 09:44 PM
yeah agree with u there^ she didn't get much attention the entire time was probably just aya and the artist tried to trick the reader by taking Ninshino outta the picture. But then they jsut keep going and forth lol omg... -.-'.. lol
Basically, Satsuki was created to "test" Manaka, and to add comical relief into the story. But, in the ending, I really couldn't help but feel a little bad for her, although she looked happy ><
OHNOES
08-10-2007, 11:53 PM
duh isn't it pretty obvious jealousy has a role. But wouldn't get pissed off if you knew someone like him?
kviteseid
08-11-2007, 02:26 AM
at end of ichigo100% the mangaka wrote some stuff about the manga ... if you read it you will understand the ending much better... and there was somthing about manaka being in the midle and touji and nishino being weast and east ... i dont remmber it all so you should read it for yoursel :P
don`t want to find it for you sorry cos if i look at the manga again i ll end up readin it again ....
and between everyone knoes Nishino was the best so lets change the topic
what was you favorite moment??
mine was when Nishino confessed to Manaka in that park and askin him to go out with him again ... i really did get tears in my eye after seeing her hangin there
I'm happy Nishino was the one Manaka picked and all, But~~~ The best character was Mukai!!! (She came in like in chapter 99/100...bit late but still my fav character though :))
Werewolf
08-11-2007, 03:48 PM
The best moment in the manga? Hmm, that's a hard one. I'd have to go with Nishino doing the pull-up confession. It was an OMG moment!
Beney
08-11-2007, 04:10 PM
for me the best moment is when manaka went to the hotel nishino was staying when they were in the class trip. i think it was then that i realised that the final pairing would be manaka and nishino. it was also in this scene that i started to like sotomura. he just understand the relationship of manaka with the girls.
matt_itachi
08-12-2007, 07:53 AM
mine is when toujo and manaka was in the small haus when there was a storm and the other was the pull-up thingy of nishino...
monmon
08-12-2007, 04:50 PM
well.....I'm just curious about aya's bra....what happened...?
anyone ho thinks thats this girl relly looks like nishino http://3www.snyggast.se/perl/bilddikt6s.pl?step=editid&id=6443808 just look at it
trustno1
08-14-2007, 02:02 AM
well that was a really sad ending. ended it jus like that. i wanna know more!!!!. man i love this seires. i hope theres gonna be like a ichigo100% 2 or soemthin
anyone ho thinks thats this girl relly looks like nishino http://3www.snyggast.se/perl/bilddik...tid&id=6443808 just look at it
o iam sorry it var a failior .anyone ho thinks thats this girl relly looks like nishino
http://3www.snyggast.se/ul/8/6443808.jpg
sorceritza
08-14-2007, 11:40 PM
Me... I was just dissappointed... I never liked Nishino, and I really didn't want hear near Manaka. And because of Manaka's stupidity, it would have been fair if he didnt ended with any of them. I am sooo pissed on this manga!
What exactly did you not like about Nishino?
DudeusMaximus
08-15-2007, 01:15 AM
Yeah, what's not to like? Strangely enough, Nishino reminds me of my girlfriend, so I guess that's why I'm kinda biased towards Nishino. But she's just so cute. And she's genuinely in love with the guy, so what's the big deal? And all that crap about "What do they see in a geek like Manaka" and stuff, love is blind. You'd be surprised the people you find yourself being in love with.
Monkeyken
08-15-2007, 01:39 AM
I was okay that Manaka ended up with Nishino after thinking about it but at the same time I hated it when I read the ending because it made me feel so bad for Toujo.
TanakaGuitar
08-15-2007, 08:31 AM
I wouldn't be suprised if it ended with Manaka having neither of them and just went off alone and with them as friends. Although I would've bet my money on Toujo...the ending came out okay.
How could you have bet your money on Toujo..?
Spade
08-15-2007, 11:24 AM
Oh boy, I'm finally done. Took me 2-3 weeks to read and I didn't even know it ends at chapter 167. Kinda caught me off-guard. XD
I also thought he would end up with Toujou, since chapter 1. I didn't really like her but Mangas often end the most obvious way. I was surprised.
But why is there no ending for my dear Kozue-chan? I'm gonna haunt the Mangaka in his dreams now...
Beney
08-15-2007, 04:42 PM
just my 2 cents why i like nishino.
satsuki is always very forward with her feelings with manaka, thats why instead of making her closer to him it just push him away even more. while with toujo you don't really know what she feels, even when they are given the chance to get closer she almost always make it as something sort of a joke or accident that didn't count. (their twice almost a kiss, the hug, being naked with manaka in the outhouse are just some of the chances). while nishino who is the one who manaka rarely see makes the most of her chances with manaka and made them "heart pounding and unforgettable". she made the scenes with manaka seems like fate insead of accidents. these leave manaka always thinking about her even though he rarely see her.
Megabuster
08-15-2007, 05:44 PM
You seem just a tad biased towards nishino in that statement do to factors not involving the text............
vizualize
08-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Finally, finished this series after few days.. Ending was good. Thanks
for the recommendation of this series from Rawr and Beney. So..
any more recommendation on this genre?
Athos
08-16-2007, 06:17 PM
For the last time, people bet on Toujou not because of the memories she made with manaka, or for the effort she put on getting his attention (which is next to non-existant). Its because the manga makes you think from page 1 that Manaka's obsession with Toujou is the heart of the plot and him finally getting her at the end would be the obvious outcome.
A light reader would mistakingly deduce both nishino and Satsuki are but diversions made by the mangaka to make thing harder for manaka to get to Toujou.
sorceritza
08-16-2007, 08:11 PM
What exactly did you not like about Nishino?
I didn't like her way of doing things. Sometimes it felt like she was pushing the relationship on the track that she wanted. Besides, Manaka not even knew the girl until she told him that she wears ichigo panties and then he confessed her (confess what? she didn't KNEW her!!! He never noticed her!). And that is a stupid reason to be with a girl. How the hell did he end up with her? Told you: in my opinion he didn't deserved any of the girls.
Tensa Zangetsu
08-16-2007, 09:17 PM
@#$%!!! y did i read this forum?!?!?! darn....i just ruined the ending for myself...T_T
Athos
08-16-2007, 10:08 PM
Curiosity+Boredness=Catastophre
Chrono
08-16-2007, 11:08 PM
Seems like I have to read the manga again to understand the motives of Manaka choosing Nishino at the end of the story. Yes, I'm able to read your post and all and I'm able to gather up all these plausable opinions upon the manga and they're all really good but in the end I was kind of promoting the fact that Manaka would end up with Satsuki or Mukai ( Cherry underwear girl).
In my own opinion I would like to be with a person I speak comfortably with and understand each other with no problem at all. I'm sure they sexual activity wasn't necessary to have Satsuki express her love for him but it was great and I thought that would have been a good couple. Two perves being together is ummm probably not such a good choice of a Manaka and Mukai pairing.
I wanted to know what Mukai did 4 years later. I'm still trying to figure it out. Went to a great college like Misuzu perhaps? I don't know, someone shine some light for me.
Alberio
08-16-2007, 11:39 PM
That is what has me biased about the ending, not which girl he chose, because many side characters that help Manaka or just hung out with him for awhile didn't get any details.
Mukai- we know nothing but it is hinted at a relationship between her and the big/scar dude.
Big scarred dude- Probably got his goal to become a teacher in the end and the above noted.
Little guy who hung out with Big scarred dude and Manaka- No hints or anything of what happened to him.
Yue- Probably was successful in her life but still, no definate answer or good clue.
Amachi- Now, did he end up having a relationship with Toujo or what? No clue once again.
I'm pretty sure I've missed someone but all these people are the most known ones, and I think there was something about Yue I'm missing.
Thing is..the mangaka could've expanded a lot on the ending and showed all those things, but in his mind, he thought that this was the best way to end it, a reunion of the film club after the "next generation" of the film club admires the movies they made...So, he left all those other characters out, because of the fact that they were never in the film club.
Alberio
08-17-2007, 12:11 AM
Well, what I'm trying to say is that they shouldn't be at the meeting or anything, but show something such as a picture, but not as cliche, that just has signs of what happened and such on a panel or the very beggining of the chapter.
Beney
08-17-2007, 01:59 AM
@megabuster
can't help but be biased. it's just that everytime something good happened or will happen to toujo and satsuki that made them closer to manaka, something better will happen between manaka and nishino that will made her closer to him than the other two girls.
monmon
08-17-2007, 02:02 PM
i wish that someday there will be a part 2 of ichigo 100%
Monkeyken
08-17-2007, 04:31 PM
yep and in it he will finally end up with toujo because she learned from her mistakes in this one + shes way hotter as the older version : ]
mebighobo
08-17-2007, 04:33 PM
It is a good story but i think it would be better if the story keep going to see nishino and ichigo's life.
Chrono
08-17-2007, 04:40 PM
yep and in it he will finally end up with toujo because she learned from her mistakes in this one + shes way hotter as the older version : ]
That's a pitiful reason for Manaka to choose Toujo by the end of series if there was going to be another one made. If you remember reading all 19 volumes he had to go through drama and many other things before coming to a conclusion of fiding someone who he wants to spend his time with.
Amachi, he really was a good character and his last line before he was no longer reavealed throughout the series was something like-
" Why won't you notice me? I'm trying to remove Manaka from your heart." ( The dude was actually in tears.)
Monkeyken
08-17-2007, 05:29 PM
Im sure she wouldnt be as passive in the sequel unless she didnt learn anything at all because she would have to try to take him away from nishino.
If there were to be a 2nd Ichigo 100%..I would prefer a future look into everyone's lives, but focusing mainly on the life Nishino and Manaka share together.
sorceritza
08-17-2007, 08:33 PM
That would be sort of boring... are you sure you would like that?
Megabuster
08-17-2007, 08:46 PM
That would suck rawr. The best part about ichigo was the fact that character devolopment was created by using multiple relationships. And if she were to make another manga aside from lilim kiss and ichigo 100% then it should be set with different characters.
sorceritza
08-17-2007, 08:48 PM
I kinda agree with you on that...
Spade
08-17-2007, 09:08 PM
Don't make things more complicated than they are. If you want a sequel, let the main character be their son. That way you have new characters to develop and get to know a little more of the past characters' future as well.
...not that it'll happen though. :p
sorceritza
08-17-2007, 10:05 PM
If there would be a second Ichigo 100% I will HAVE to read it, but honestly, the idea of seeing Nishino again is making me sick. So I hope this will never happen :D
Megabuster
08-17-2007, 10:08 PM
Well if she makes another manga than i will read it since it seems that ichigo 100% wasnt a fluke because lilim kiss was pretty good too.
sorceritza
08-17-2007, 10:15 PM
my point exactly. BUT(T) NO Nishino :((
Megabuster
08-17-2007, 10:20 PM
Amen to that salem.
The thing is though, if you were to make an Ichigo 100% 2..it would kinda have to be about the characters and Ichigo 100% 1..It wouldn't be Ichigo 100% 2 if there were whole new characters imo..maybe she can make another manga LIKE Ichigo 100%, but for it to be a sequel to it, it would have to be about the first one, and the characters there also imo =\ so I mean that was the best I could really come up with if you take all that into account
kusiobache
08-18-2007, 08:14 PM
dam great manga
Read it in 3 or 4 days, i liked it cuz unlike naruto the author of ichigo 100% did ALOT of character development, as to where u could kind of picture how the characters would act/feel. when i got to the end it was sad but happy. made me think of how my hs graduation will be =(
unlike naruto where idc when it ends cuz u cant really relate or picture what the characters are doing
SKATEateer
08-18-2007, 11:32 PM
ya but the ending sucked
kviteseid
08-19-2007, 01:02 AM
yeye cry good Nishino til the end ....
Would be nice if they made a Ichigo100% -2
where NISHINO and manaka have a girl and story were bout the child growing up like manaka but a girl instead of a boy
in that way we could see what happened to the others and what they are doing in future
skipbeat101
08-19-2007, 03:58 AM
after i read it and throughout the whole story was backing tojou to go for manka and nishino to go some where i was mad that he chose her she should of got with the famous chef
DudeusMaximus
08-19-2007, 07:06 PM
Hmm, expanding on what someone above said about it being about their son... maybe the son's teacher could be like, the big scarred dude. That'd be rather hilarious, actually.
pomato
08-19-2007, 09:21 PM
I think that a part of this manga is that there are no real right choices and that little pieces of fate can make a world of difference. It was a really good ending in my opinon. It gives the sense that life keeps on moving along even with the decisions that you make. If they keep going it would be less realistic.
13kira13
08-20-2007, 02:36 AM
yeah i think that having a continuation of ichigo 100% would be cool
DevILsPresEnCe
08-20-2007, 05:15 AM
in case it goes further than the anime he doesn't pick anyone of them thereby making the hole series completely useless in my eyes
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 05:41 AM
you know, i havent finished the manga and from what i read, it seems that manaka ended up with Nishino...thats BS...cause Aya is like the best one for him...it really pisses me off more than i care to say...
SKATEateer
08-20-2007, 06:49 AM
yes toujo FTW for the win!!!
god i hate nishino!!! hahaha
Aya is definitely not the best for him..you need to finish reading the manga ^^
SKATEateer
08-20-2007, 06:53 AM
no rawr!!!!!! hahahah our fight continues!
Spade
08-20-2007, 06:56 AM
in case it goes further than the anime he doesn't pick anyone of them thereby making the hole series completely useless in my eyes
You are very wrong sir. The Anime only shows like the first 60-70 chapters, there are still 100 more with a definite ending.
SKATEateer
08-20-2007, 07:19 AM
i hate the ending :[
Raziel2389
08-20-2007, 09:28 AM
i thought the ending was kinda nice the whole story was funny as hell
negitoro
08-20-2007, 11:12 AM
you know, i havent finished the manga and from what i read, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX it really pisses me off more than i care to say...
Remember.... SPOILER tags exist for a reason.
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 01:15 PM
well there werent any and i was the one who read em....
negitoro
08-20-2007, 02:55 PM
I guess what I mean is not just you... but I guess if you're gonna talk about the ending you might as well use spoiler tags.
Yours was just the last post I could find. I didn't mean to single you out.
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 03:06 PM
oh well...its really weird that i even like this manga. im not into romance type ones but i just got hooked. and it really annoyed me about Manaka's indecisiveness. i wish there were a different ending.
but if there were to be a continuation...lets say when they get older (mind you i havent finished yet so i dont know what happens at the end). so maybe things happen that they somehow meet, the marriage between Manaka and Nishino aint going to well...for whatever reason. there is a high skool re-union and there he meets up with the his old friends who have had experiences of their own, etc etc.
you know...even though Satzuki is so agressive, i think that her parts are so much more emotional...for example when she and Manaka were at the church, and she promised that they would only be friends. that was sad...
well...i feel bad for everyone...
i dunno...i just dont understand why he went with Nishino...
i hate and love this manga. the ending is just terrible, but its a great manga. as i said before, i didnt expect to be drawn so much into it. its pretty realistic. ive read a lot of manga recently, all of them being really good but none has actually drawn my emotions like this manga. I found myself so sad at times where i cried (and i dont cry and its not because im a guy so guy's cant cry, i just didnt have a reason to...). its been a rollercoaster ride these last couple of days. too bad the ending was not what i expected, not that it was bad...
ok i finally finished it. I really think that the story can keep going because there still arent certainties. eventhough he went back to Nishino (even though I wanted him to be with Aya), nothing is definite. the ending wasnt really an ending, it was more of a begining.
Ichigo 100% began when the characters were in a school but it can be broadened now that they are older. I hate the thought of Manaka marrying Nishino. I like how the characters grew in Ichigo 100% but maybe now she can go farther than just high school and 4 years into the future. i think the manga can begin once again, with the scene in which Ichigo 100% began. Ichigo meaning strawberry (you should know this already). Id picture it as Manaka filming a movie whese such a scene is taken. but going further, along the same lines of the last chapter. Making Aya's novel into a movie. Instead of taking decades, it only takes a year or two (after that last chapter) and since they all agreed to pitch in into making the movie, things can begin from there once more.
i guess with all said and done, this is one of the few manga's or stories for that matter where i really want it to keep going
you know, i keep adding and adding to this post. i cant stop thinking about this manga, at one point i thought, "wow is this going to end?" and now im like, "damn, why didn't she make it longer?"
ok ok ok...last thing. Think about it, Aya is still waiting for Manaka...
You say that Aya and Manaka should have been together, yet you also mention how the story is built along how much the characters grew..have you noticed that in the story it was Aya who grew the least? Also, you never once stated the reason why Manaka should've ended up with Aya =\
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 10:06 PM
hehe, she didnt grow the least man, in the very end if anything, she was able to write without Manaka's help. and dont tell me that from the begining the "dinosaur girl" didnt change. she opened up, gained confidence - socially, emotionally, physically. and she was the most accomplished...
and i think that she fits move with Manaka than Nishino does...but its my personal opinion really. It made me sad because that dream girl which Manaka wanted to find was always before his eyes and when he found out who she was, he was too indecisive. i grew fond of her and she would be someone id prefer.
but as for a reason, she was able to relate to Manaka without being similar. They were similar enough to be able to talk about what they like. I like her character, and even though I believe she waited too long to tell him that she loved him...I believe that in the end, she would have been happy and i think she would have made Manaka happier
yet that is all my opinion
She opened up, gained confidence right after they started high school, and then that was it, from that point on - the middle of the end she stayed the same. Also..she wasn't able to write without Manaka's help..It says in the manga itself that she still thinks of Manaka when she writes and asks him about stuff, etc, so saying she is able to write without Manaka's help is just blatantly wrong. Also did you ever think that they were too similar? Also, the only thing they shared as 2 people were the same dream..whereas with Nishino she made Manaka see that his weaknesses turn into strengths when with her, whereas with Aya it's oh I can make a new movie! Great!...
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 10:49 PM
I didnt think that they were too similar. Sharing a dream doesnt make someone too similar. A dream is a goal, a place where they can relate. They could talk about movies, there isnt anything wrong about that. He was an inspiration for her.
"...Maybe my stories will be able to muture more.." (Toujou)
"I felt that if i was with Toujou, anything was possible. The only girl that made me feel this way...was probably only Toujou..." (Manaka)
"If we realized each others feelings...if we exchanged our thoughts...our *now* would prodably never...have been." (Manaka)
These quotes surpass that which you speak of. Their relationship wasn't only about movies. Whether you like it or not. Aya did change at the end as well. She was able to accept that fact that Manaka loved Nishino. Her desire was to be with Manaka yet those four years later show that they hadn't seen each other since then (he was traveling around the world). I believe that those latest books that she wrote and recieved awards for, show how much she was able to actually mature and not depend on Manaka. Maybe she did think about him, but she could write without him. I do believe that she still loves him.
Nishino, she did like Manaka from way before, we find that out. Yet I dont believe that she would have gone out with him had he not done what his friends told him and asked her out. Nishino only made him realize his weaknesses, he himself admits to never changing eventhough he knew he needed to change.
In one of the previous quotes, had Manaka not asked Nishino out that day, I believe that he would have gone out with Aya. He came to like her after seeing how well she wrote, but because he grew to understand her. I believe that had he been with Aya, he still would have grown and realized his weaknesses.
Yeah, but then again we could have said if Manaka hadn't been on the roof that day, he would never have met Aya, while Tsukasa would've eventually asked him out..
Also, Manaka perhaps maybe would've realized his weaknesses, but would Toujo turn them into strengths, and help him? Tsukasa always gave him that push to him and whenever they were together the events were just so much more magical and monumental than anything Toujo and Manaka could ever have.
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 11:09 PM
not true, she would always appear after he would be out with Kazou, or Satsuki and Aya and wipe his thoughts away. if anything, she was there at the vital time and was able to take his heart. and as u said, i dont really want to go into what if's. i just hope the author does continue the manga...
about your question pertaining to Toujou, we wouldnt know. because Nishino was able to do so, Aya never really had the chance. she was there mainly when it had to do with skool, and filming, she didnt really have a chance.
i will stick to my opinion. I believe Toujou Aya was the best fit for Junpei Manaka
The two of them were alone many times...She had plenty of chances.
The only reason that you think Toujou was fit for Manaka was that they share the same passion/dream and that she took his breath away, but then again, Nishino also took his breath away, so that really isn't a valid reason. Also, She didn't take his heart, Nishino did..Remember when Toujou FINALLY confessed to him, he rejected her and went to Nishino because his heart belonged to her.
darthalvarez
08-20-2007, 11:25 PM
na man, i personally like Aya over Nishino
i said that before, it's completely my opinion, so i guess i cant really explain it. its not because they shared the same dream even though it did help.
he rejected her but he said if he had realized each other's thoughts...i guess you have to put the word sooner...they would have been together. they did have chances ur right, but Aya isnt Nishino.
if anything, i wish the manga had ended like Aya's novel ended...
still, im glad because i was able to talk to you...ive been feeling weird. i dont really know why but this manga has really affected me...
kviteseid
08-21-2007, 12:43 AM
still, im glad because i was able to talk to you...ive been feeling weird. i dont really know why but this manga has really affected me...
i felt the same when it ended ..was like lovesickness or somthing ...
And nishino and manaka was more like a couple than he ever was with Aya . Love often starts with a accident . And after when Nishino and Manaka broke up the first time why didn`t he confess to Aya the way he did to Nishino?? And Manaka didn`t feel so bad after he rejected Aya or Satsuki then when he broke up with Nishino .
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 01:01 AM
it was something like that
to tell you the truth, i feel that if i were any character in the manga, id be her (mind u im a straight guy) i know what it feels like to be rejected. so in many ways i relate to her. and i wrote a few quotes about what Manaka thought about Aya. but he went out with Nishino...the guy who marries Aya...is lucky
Athos
08-21-2007, 03:20 AM
All of the events in the manga aren't meant to decide who should Manaka be with, they were only ways to make their school lives interesting and fulfilling while they learned and grew from it. Just because of a series of stupid random events made it look that way, it doesn't mean XX wouldve been happier with XX.
Both Manaka and Nishino ended up with developed, solid personalities and goals. Aya only changed looks on a whim, and is still the shy bookworm she started out to be. No confidence whatsoever, while only doing what she likes for no particular reason, not expecting recognition for it. Just a hobby she gets paid for. And Satsuki... did she change at all? goals in life? anything?
Anyways, in the end, both Aya and Satsuki had Manaka as their only source of happiness and fulfillment, which means neither of them had found a solid objective to live for. Its not unusual to feel sorry for them with that ending. If things were left the way they are, they would be miserable without Manaka, which is stupid because he is just their highschool crush.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 04:15 AM
you really underestimate a person's feelings. once they are set to do one thing, the person will do it no matter what or fail and even by failing still stick to the person's feelings. we can all come up with reasons as to why this person could have ended up with Manaka, and y Nishino ended up with him. even then, its not so wrong to make a person your goal, even if you are 15 years old. being with Manaka and wanting that love reciprocated was a clear objective for them, maybe you dont see it that way, Manaka said it, everyone has their goals except me. Satsuki is still in love with Manaka, no denying that yet she also accepted that she wouldnt be with him. as did Aya, she accepted the fact, she was able to write not only for a hobby. and if her writing was spured by Manaka, there is nothing wrong with that. and i really doubt that Manaka was just a crush. if he were, they would have been over him those 4 years into the future.
and no matter how one may argue, Aya was the heroine of the story. Manaka chose the the wealthy princess instead of his childhood friend (imagery from Aya's novel).
SKATEateer
08-21-2007, 05:00 AM
the ending sucked period i was toujo fan all the way and tsukasa fan as a backup
nishino wasnt a character i enjoyed
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 05:04 AM
many people seem to think that. my fellow peers have led me to really think of why i wanted Aya to be with him, and even then i believe that she should have ended up with him. i have come to accept the fact that he chose Nishino.
i really wish that the author could make another manga. the one she made before this one, was about "true love" as well. in the end, we guys may have chosen someone other than Nishino, but Manaka is Manaka and he chose Nishino
SKATEateer
08-21-2007, 05:05 AM
well alternative endings from the author would be a crowd pleaser.. just as the fate stay night alternate endings were.. i mean hte anime ending was sad but the visual novel endings were pleasing
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 05:15 AM
maybe but i think that it wouldnt fit for this manga. im serious, she would have to redo at least one volume and that is a lot. might as well continue from where she left off and then maybe's can be posibilities.
that is something i would agree with wholeheartedly
Beney
08-21-2007, 04:13 PM
i think the best way to present a manaka/ tojo ending was after the epilogue. because for me toujo and manaka are not yet mature enough to have a solid relaionship when they are in high school.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 04:26 PM
hmm...i think you may be right there. i kno that Manaka liked Aya and Aya loved him but some people have to mature before going forward...hmm...thats y i would like Mizuki Kawashita to continue her manga
Beney
08-21-2007, 04:42 PM
but i don't think she will make an ichigo part 2.
for me it is better left as it is, because its what made ichigo 100% different from the rest. its also what make it memorable. there will always be the issue between manaka and the two girls. and this issue keeps this manga's forum alive ;). in the end you can't please everybody.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 04:52 PM
i kno yet if you took a poll of all the people who saw the anime, or read the manga who would they choose more - Nishino or Aya. i know that you cant please everyone, yea yea but its a fact that more people liked Aya.
btw have any of you read Lilim Kiss by the same mangaka?
Beney
08-21-2007, 04:56 PM
yes. i've read it. i love the char of lilim (toujo and kitaooji combine).
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 04:59 PM
i liked lilim as well but i loved the ending the most. how his love for her...freed her and how even though she forgot him, she knew that she loved him.
the mangaka wrote - "there are few things more beautiful than a woman in love..." i think thats deep, hehe
i read it recently.
i thought that it was a great story. it was like a prototype of Ichigo 100%.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 08:20 PM
hey guys, id like you to read something i read from gooble blogs. Muziki Kawashita wrote a letter to readers and it goes:
The fans kept sending letters requesting for "Manaka to be with X".
Those who read only the first chapter will think that Manaka Will chose tojo in the end. In drawing the middle high school plot, I have decided to let Manaka and Tojo have a blissful ending.
But as time passes and the three graduated, the situation changes.
Some say that this type of continued series can easily have a life of its own. And it has become so, as each go through their lifes, it slowly becomes this type of ending.
It dosen't matter whether it's Tojo or Tsukasa, I like them both, and I carried the hope that both of them will be able to find happines in their lifes.
But, just as two loves each other, there will be several circumstances or missed opportunities that they are prevented from getting together, love can be so unreasonable.
Tojo, who understands this, should be the one who has matured the most in this series.
So, Tojo's supporters, please don't be too upset. Although I didn't let her find happiness in love, I guarentee to everyone that her future will be extremely blessed!
But it is Manaka and Tsukasa that has a more dangerous future~
To be together is not easy, but to maintain the relationship would be extremely challenging, feels like there will be lots of changing numbers.
(no no no, both of them will be extremely blessed too!)
even though that last line is pretty redundant ... this letter gives me hope as well
i will post a comment from one of those who responded
I was also hoping that Manaka ends up with Toujou at the end of the manga, but when I read the chapter, I was saddened that he chose Nishino (no offense to Nishino fans, a part of me also like having him end with Nishino). But my heart always felt that Manaka and Toujou deserve each other much more. So I kept reading the last 5 volumes until I got a clearer picture of the story. After reading volume 14 to 19 over and over again, I think Mizuki hasn't really closed the door for Manaka and Toujou. If you followed their conversation closely, Manaka asked Toujou to "wait" for him with Tojou "agreeing". I'm a hopeless romantic so I understand what it meant. The relationship between Manaka and Toujou goes beyond being physically close. They are bound by their dreams. Recall Manaka's comment after he felt relieved that Toujou kept the notebook story solely for Manaka. He said that it's the tie that binds him to Tojou and that no one can come between them. He mentioned this, somewhat indirectly, at the end of the story. Toujou remained "with" him throughout his dream. So I guess that although the manga ended with Manaka running towards Nishino and sweeping her off her feet, his heart and mind is still bound with Toujou. This is the reality. Whether Manaka eventually gets together with Toujou physically, they will always be together in heart and mind. (That's just my view, but I do hope Mizuki finds the heart to make an alternative ending since having a printed version of Manaka ending up with Toujou, my feelings towards the original ending will always be full of discontentment).
i feel that same way about that. and for all those who believe that Toujou grew the least...let this smack u in the face the mangaka thinks she was the one who grew the most out of all of them.
and here i have the link so you can all check it out if you like:
http://anime-horizon.blogspot.com/20...kawashita.html
Monkeyken
08-21-2007, 08:59 PM
I felt much the same, even though i could accept manaka choosing nishino I always felt that toujou was still better and that she grew most at the ending because I'm quite sure when you lose the person you love from a mistake that you would try to fix it so it never happens to you again in the future.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 09:03 PM
yea man, yet even if you do fix, it doesnt guarantee success...
im really fond of this manga, and i will reread it. its weird how i miss it so but yea. i wish that the mangaka can make a sequel :P
Tensa Zangetsu
08-21-2007, 09:24 PM
everyone knows in there heart that no matter how much they wish mangeka whont make a sequal to this. i just finished the ending today, and i thought it wasnt bad but it was apparent that Toujo was happy they were both able to follow their dreams but seemed like she still had feelings for him but knew it wasnt meant to be, but was satisfied knowing that they still had that bond through that notebook. And Nishino...just got lucky....if toujo had confessed before nishino asked him out again then Junpei would have been with her instead because nishino wouldnt be able to ask him out knowing he was with aya...
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 09:32 PM
that is what i believe as well...which makes me sad...about Aya i mean
even if you get rejected...make sure the person you love know...
Tensa Zangetsu
08-21-2007, 09:47 PM
man...this manga was deeeeeppp ^_^ manaka is too indesicive so he doesnt deserve a happy ending. hes caused to much pain.. what should happen is after making his oscar winning film, manaka goes celebrate with Aya alone, they get hammered drunk and *Bleep* each other while at a hotel. Then Nishino finds out and they break up and manaka falls into a state of depression where he then bumps into Satsuki at a bar but by then she has already gotten over him causing manaka to feel worse and when he seeks out toujo, she says to him that she merly liked him on a whim and that she was simply going thru a phase. He starts doing drugs, loses his job, lives on the streets, and eventualy he ends of dieing a lonely old man....ah im just kidding, this manga was great <(^-^)> kirby!
SKATEateer
08-21-2007, 09:51 PM
well ive had my fill of discussin ichigo
my discussions now exist
in updates for many mangas that have many volumes out but no translators on the jobs
how can we fix this problem?!?!?!
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 09:57 PM
nah...i think Aya will always love him...and i think that she will wait for him...
im interested in Nishino's last line..."i guess...and will you once again, excite me?"
is that was Manaka was and is to her? sure you should be excited for being with someone you love...
nearing the end of the last chapter...Manaka is talkin..."but soon...soon, we will meet again..." and no he wasnt talking about meeting Nishino he was continueing his thought about Aya...
you know, i have the volumes 15-19 on my comp and i just begin to tear when i see them...even though i can accept what happened...i cant get over it. its weird how ive been affected to much by this manga
i'll be taking japanese soon. so when im able to translate, i will help you
Monkeyken
08-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Its not so easy to just stop loving a person just because they rejected you, which is why satsuki and aya still love him. But its true i would rather Manaka have an unhappy ending and just end up with all 3 girls falling in love with someone else at least it would make me happy. This is probably one of the only stories that affected me. I felt so sad that he didnt end up with aya.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 10:17 PM
i feel that same...i dislike Manaka because of his indecisiveness yet it is understandable.
i would have chosen someone and not have led on the others...and if i were Manaka, i would have chosen Aya.
and no i dont want Manaka to have an unhappy end...i wish he ended up with Aya. and even then, he helped Aya grow and they still share something that even Nishino cant boast about.
but anyone Aya ends up with, will be lucky
but i still so with that there is a sequel and that she may please her fans :P
Tensa Zangetsu
08-21-2007, 10:26 PM
soooo...what ever happened to amachi? he wasnt at the reunion lol....
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 10:28 PM
lol, no one liked him anyway
i feel that same way about that. and for all those who believe that Toujou grew the least...let this smack u in the face the mangaka thinks she was the one who grew the most out of all of them.
We said that she grew the least throughout the entire manga due to the fact that well, she didn't grow until the very end when she accepted that Manaka wouldn't choose her. Don't get mixed up.
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 10:35 PM
and i said that they grew...she did grow...and no she didnt grow the least...there are some that didnt grow at all
Also If I were Manaka I would still have chosen Nishino as she standed out the most and deserved to be with him the most out of all 3 of them.
She did grow the least throughout the manga and then in the very end she basically hit a "growth spurt" and suddenly accepted everything..
darthalvarez
08-21-2007, 10:41 PM
she didnt stand out that most. satsuki did but anywayz, ur opinion is all but urs
and you contradict what the mangaka herself says about Aya...
oh well, it is of my opinion that Aya was more suited for him...so no amount of argument will change that
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 01:47 AM
i cant get over this manga. i started to reread this i cant help it
you should all re-read the first chapter. it was there where the winner of Manaka was chosen.
he defending Aya says "what is important is on the inside"
not only that, he seemed more excited on the prospect of asking tsukasa out than actually going out with her. and right after she says yes, and he sees Aya runing away, he thinks "did i ask the right person?" but his thoughts are disspelled by the physical appearance of Nishino. i feel like i want to kill him for how stupid he is...i wish that the ending had been like Aya's novel.
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 01:50 AM
well... its hard
but maybe the author reflected himself in this manga
what kinda girl hed choose
so blame the author if you dont like the ending
haha
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 02:05 AM
dude, it was a woman who wrote this manga...
i wish that there were a sequel to this series...wishes however dont always come true. yet i do wish that i could find someone like Toujou Aya for myself...
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 02:32 AM
really? wow th ats crazy
well maybe she reflected herself in the manga
hahah
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 03:39 AM
Aya waited waaaaay to long to confess to Manaka. If she had told him how she felt from the beginning, and not had mislead Manaka to believing something else, she would have ended up with him. Manaka may have knew all along how she felt about him, but she needed to make that first step to make the relationship happen. Nishino made her move, Satsuki made her move, Aya didn't. Although Satsuki made a strong effort, it was fruitless, mainly because Aya/Nishino were on his mind. I can understand why he made his decision to make Nishino his one in only. They've endured the hardship of going through a relationship with each other and experienced the emotional roller-coaster called love. Manaka cried when he broke up with Nishino when they were first going out. He felt like he had failed... and at that moment Manaka probably knew who he truly loved, yet tried to bury that feeling becuase he thought it was over. Although Aya was in his mind, he never made a move, nor did he ever confess to her. The only people who confessed were Satsuki and Nishino. Aya did so after he had already choose...
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 03:59 AM
dude i know you are right she really waited too long
but from where i am from, its the guy who makes the first move not the girl. and not every girl has the courage to go up and confess. yea yea i kno she was too late...and i have secret hopes that things can change after the manga ended.
i think that right in the begining he made the wrong choice. when he asked nishino out and he saw aya running away...he asked himself "did i ask the right person?" but he was drawn by nishino's beauty which makes him eat his one words "what's important is on the inside." he had found someone who shared his dreams and ideals someone who could love him back...and he threw it away from beauty...
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 04:13 AM
dude i know you are right she really waited too long
but from where i am from, its the guy who makes the first move not the girl. and not every girl has the courage to go up and confess. yea yea i kno she was too late...and i have secret hopes that things can change after the manga ended.
i think that right in the begining he made the wrong choice. when he asked nishino out and he saw aya running away...he asked himself "did i ask the right person?" but he was drawn by nishino's beauty which makes him eat his one words "what's important is on the inside." he had found someone who shared his dreams and ideals someone who could love him back...and he threw it away from beauty...
That was before he got to know who Tsukasa Nishino was. Hell, he was going to confess to any cute girl as long as she had on strawberry panties. And Nishino does love Manaka, hell she confessed to the guy doing a pull up (A vice versa tactic). Nishino and Manaka's relationship actually had development, compared to any of his other relationships. Hell... Mukai made more moves than Aya.
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 04:26 AM
hell as i said, guys should make the moves o_o and im not saying that there wasnt development between N and M.
you cant blame someone for being themself. and yea i relate to Aya more than anyone else.
meh...Aya kept herself open for Manaka and that was her way of showing that she cared for him...too bad she didnt confess until it was too late.
if there happens to be a sequal. what do you think it will be about?
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 04:44 AM
hahah
yeah aya woulda got with manaka if she had confessed but she couldnt
so oh well
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 04:45 AM
I agree, I do believe Manaka should have been the one to make a move. He just basically did nothing to improve his relationship with her. I believe he missed out on something wonderful, but at the same time, absolutely lost nothing. In the end, Manaka was the one who was lucky. Because unlike the girls, he had a choice. Although he grieved for the girls (For 5-seconds) Aya, and Satsuki were the ones who got the short end of the stick.
If a sequel comes out, it would definitely be about them filming the novel Aye wrote. Maybe the love rectangle will rekindle and old feelings start blooming again (Just kidding, that would be inappropriate...). But a squeal will be hard to make... it completely ended. The whole story was about Manaka choosing one of the three (Not including Yui).
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 04:48 AM
lol
i think alternative endings would be very appropriate
Tensa Zangetsu
08-22-2007, 04:58 AM
i like lilum kiss too because the girl looks so much like Aya. it makes me feel like thats how Aya would have been like if she was more bold. when i first saw her in normal clothes, looking suprised, i almost forgot it wasnt her...There is a girl much like chinami as well
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:02 AM
lilim kiss is tight
forget aya lilim kiss beats aya any day
haha
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:02 AM
thats not possible, that would mean re-doing like an entire volume...might as well add a sequel...
and i think that a sequel would be about filming the movie, only a few months or maybe a year. that way, we can see if N and M progressed. being in love and maintaining a relationship isnt the same. so if they were to film Aya's novel and all the friends once again meet. this time, chiname knowing how to act as well as Satsuki very successful and beautiful. i believe that they might want to act themselves for old times sake. where the princess would be nishino and aya manaka's childhood friend. so that way, old feelings (at least not for Aya) will rekindle. there will be fueds and broken relationships....a much more mature yet vicious story...it like to know if Aya learned anything from her experience with Manaka...
Or, they could make the sidestory of Aya falling in love and a broken hearted Manaka this time getting the boot (hehe, fun)
lilim was nice. i loved the ending...how the seal was borken because of his love and how she remembered that she loved him even though she didnt remember him
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:03 AM
an entire volume dedicated to alternate endings
but each alternate would take place in a diff place in the actual series
cause it wouldnt make sense puttin them all at the same cut off
or actually it might work at that one cutoff where theres like this fair or something and manaka chooses nishino for the date thing..
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:07 AM
Or, they could make the sidestory of Aya falling in love and a broken hearted Manaka this time getting the boot (hehe, fun)
HooowwwlllllL!!!
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:09 AM
oh man you got me started!!!!
on that festival, WHAT WAS AYA'S NUMBER. i remember that Manaka's was 1508 and nishino's number was 02 something. so they werent a match so im wondering if Aya and Manaka were a match.
and wouldnt you want to see them older more mature...? getting into love circles and what not...?
were...what did u think about that posibility?
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:11 AM
yeah
wait im not sure if i remember correctly but i thought manakas number did match someones.. satsukis.. or i forgot..
well them older in a love circle after the ending with nishino wouldnt work
had it ended like that he couldnt decide or had to leave and said i hope you can wait for me or some crap like that then itd work i think
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:13 AM
i guess you didnt read the letter that i posted...it was from Mizuki Kawashita herself....look back and you will find it and then you may understand why i say that...
and WEREWOLF o_o !!! what did u think of that Aya posibility?
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:16 AM
Aya had the same number as Manaka I think.
Manaka is this buff guy now, so he's bound to attract other woman. Nishino's hot, so she's bound to attract other men. Things may heat up with them struggling to stay together. Aya became bold at the end... she may just get reckless and snatch him away. Though I believe Manaka and Nishino's love to a bit to strong for that to happen... maybe?!
GrooowllL...
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:16 AM
im confused now
haha
Tensa Zangetsu
08-22-2007, 05:20 AM
wtf? i post once then read another ch. of lilum kiss and i come back to see that a whole page of new posts has appeared...how often are u on?? u know...the buff guy from lilum kiss looks alot the the new buffed out manaka
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:21 AM
Aya had the same number as Manaka I think.
Manaka is this buff guy now, so he's bound to attract other woman. Nishino's hot, so she's bound to attract other men. Things may heat up with them struggling to stay together. Aya became bold at the end... she may just get reckless and snatch him away. Though I believe Manaka and Nishino's love to a bit to strong for that to happen... maybe?!
GrooowllL...
maybe but i think now. she says to him "yeah...i guess...and will you excite me, once again?" Nishino did change at the end. from what the mangaka says, keeping a relationship is hard, and both of them being pretty attactive, her being a world reknown pastry chef and he still a director...i think that conflict of Manaka's jealousy over friends(?) people she hangs with(?) and Higure(i think its higure and if its not, its the pastry chef...) he still likes nishino so maybe he comes to console her after a fight... and steals her away. Satsuki comes and attacks while Aya, actually doesnt waste her chance....
we have been having a great conversation...these last few mins...?
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:22 AM
im confused now
haha
Gomennasai...
But I believe it was the scene when she finally confessed... she had dropped the paper with the number on it that matched Manaka's.
I could be wrong here... got to check.
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:23 AM
maybe but i think now. she says to him "yeah...i guess...and will you excite me, once again?" Nishino did change at the end. from what the mangaka says, keeping a relationship is hard, and both of them being pretty attactive, her being a world reknown pastry chef and he still a director...i think that conflict of Manaka's jealousy over friends(?) people she hangs with(?) and Higure(i think its higure and if its not, its the pastry chef...) he still likes nishino so maybe he comes to console her and steals her away. Satsuki comes and attacks while Aya, actually doesnt waste her chance....
we have been having a great conversation...these last few mins...?
OMG. That sounds awesome. Only if the mangaka read that and got motivated...
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:25 AM
dude..thnx :)..i actually want to do something about this - like actually write it... - but since i cant draw...i need at least someone else...
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:27 AM
Gomennasai...
But I believe it was the scene when she finally confessed... she had dropped the paper with the number on it that matched Manaka's.
I could be wrong here... got to check.
oh well...that is what i think...so there are clues that you can look into (or maybe you just look too far o_o) that can mean that there may be something in the future for M and A
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:29 AM
yeah i wish i could draw manga./ i cant find any good online sites for big time beginners
if anyone finds a site please message me!!!
yeah the series left it open ended somewhat
who knows how faithful eachother can be? hrmmm
we need a team to make a new sequel!! haa
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:31 AM
dude..thnx :)..i actually want to do something about this but since i cant draw...i need at least someone else...
I'm actually a pretty good artist. But I doubt I could find the time to make a fan-fiction manga. Maybe when I'm free I'll doodle some scenes like when I'm on break-time at work... could be fun. Just thinking about drawing for hours makes my stomach cringe.
HooowwwlllllL!!!
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:32 AM
that we do...but for that we need to get a lil more personal (in a social way.......... o_o .....) than just a forum.
and yea, i can look for sites and we need people even if in the end we just goof off and stuff, it will be fun...i hope...
there would be a lot of planing tho
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:33 AM
I'm actually a pretty good artist. But I doubt I could find the time to make a fan-fiction manga. Maybe when I'm free I'll doodle some scenes like when I'm on break-time at work... could be fun. Just thinking about drawing for hours makes my stomach cringe.
HooowwwlllllL!!!
dont worry, i know we all have schedules and things to do but it would be nice to start something...ive felt this way ever since i read that manga....
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:37 AM
find sites for me pleeeaasse
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:38 AM
lol...ill look, if not today, tomorrow
its not like i have anything else to do and all the other manga that i read has become soo boring...
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:38 AM
dont worry, i know we all have schedules and things to do but it would be nice to start something...ive felt this way ever since i read that manga....
Oui... nice choice of words. I may just get motivated :rolleyes:. If someone has time to write a script... And I actually like it...
Sorry, but this has strayed off topic. can you guys head over to the shout out thread to discuss this?
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:40 AM
sure things...we did get off topic, lol
sorry
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:44 AM
sorry
which board do we take this too
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:45 AM
dunno really...i sent you a message tho...
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:45 AM
Sorry, but this has strayed off topic. can you guys head over to the shout out thread to discuss this?
Gomennasai!
On Topic:
I found it interesting how Manaka and Nishino came close to doing it, but never gotten around to.
Maybe it happened that night when Nishino lied and said her mom wasn't coming home (don't mind me, it's just a perverted thought).
GrooowwwllL...
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:48 AM
i hate nishino whats so good about her anyways
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:49 AM
well...i didnt think they had the chance...and...umm...nevermind...
i hope they didnt tho...i mean...well, yea i hope not.
Nishino does have her props...but Aya is so much better (to me)
Werewolf
08-22-2007, 05:55 AM
:) To be honest... I liked the Manaka x Aya moments a lot better for some reason. I just felt like love.
While the Manaka x Nishino/Satsuki moments were just perverted.
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 05:59 AM
yea i think so too...in a way they were more natural...pure(?) and shy. because it wasnt just physical attraction...
while as u say, nishino and mainly satsuki (sexy...) were just perverted.
i was always glad that when it came to nishino, something always happened :D
SKATEateer
08-22-2007, 05:59 AM
yeah satsuki was a filler
but aya is awesome
darthalvarez
08-22-2007, 06:03 AM
stat...i sent u a msg
and i think you are wrong in that. i dont think that satsuki was a filler...i think her sad parts were pretty emotional...yet...ecchi...lol
but she was a very forward person, who tried her best to acquire the love of a man...
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