Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle [Archive]

BethhyTheMokona

07-30-2009, 08:14 PM

Discuss the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle manga here.

Last posts from last thread:

http://mangahelpers.com/m/tsubasa-rc/chapters/225

The raws are out :)

Ooooh we see the clones going into the capsule!

heh butt-chins face XD

BY JOVE!!

/will wait for the translations... rather impaitiently. x'D

/I nosebled!
/I cried!
/I lol'd!

Lovely chapter~

Bethhy-chan, calm down! You'll faint. XD
I think I understood most of it (thanks to my Japanese teacher's hard work with torturing me for almost a year now XD) This chapter will give many many answers, if I'm not mistaking something...

Oh dear, too bad. I didn't understand any of it. But I did get quite a few vibes.
/sighs~
Tsuki, if I go on MSN, will you explain some parts to me? :aww:

My pleasure ^_^

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/o246/graygoddess/malbanneri/clubs/TsubasaEye.jpg

Plaumff-chan

07-30-2009, 09:00 PM

I nose bled all over my desk when I saw the raws were out...then did some weird dance...
OMG! ^_^ Kyaaa!
I can't wait for the translated version!
By the way, Tsubasa-san, I loved the little icon <3
"Tsubasa, it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye"
I want that on a t-shirt now.

Azamiko

07-30-2009, 09:03 PM

That is an AWESOME icon! XD And Plaumff is right--it'd make a great t-shirt slogan for the series...

ggctuk

07-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Yeah, I might see if I can get that done on a t-shirt :thumbup:

station to station

07-30-2009, 11:35 PM

This chapter was a bit underwhelming. I'm so tired of these Clone flashbacks,
and of the Clones themselves. We get it, you're in love, blah. Now can we get back
to the fight with FWR?

chibi15

07-31-2009, 12:08 AM

Wah!!! Finally!! We see the shocked face of FWR!!! XD PRICELESS!!!! XD XD XD Mokona too!!! XD Can't wait to see how the fight comes out.

So the Li Family in any worlds is related to Clow, no wonder C!F!Syaoran can use the Li Circle and Clow Circle and the sword too! It kinda explains it but it doesn't! As usual Clamp is trying to mess with our brain!!

CCS!Sakura Circle came with the wand, that's how I read it ...

nakomislona

07-31-2009, 01:04 AM

225 English Translation is up on manga fox
Here is the link: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/tsubasa_reservoir_chronicle/
wow this has got to be the most confusing series I have ever read,lol.

Seraphinu

07-31-2009, 01:25 AM

Well, I got my wish for it to come out on my birthday, heheh~ But now... I really want to know what happens next... >.<;

Azamiko

07-31-2009, 03:29 AM

Hm, well, we're slowly getting closer to the end...

Pink Sakura

07-31-2009, 04:05 AM

I'm confused. Real Syaoran's father is his clone? and the ones trapped are the clones/parents of real syaoran? Can someone clarify for me please.

chaosdragunx

07-31-2009, 05:08 AM

I'm confused. Real Syaoran's father is his clone? and the ones trapped are the clones/parents of real syaoran? Can someone clarify for me please.

Yes and yes.

C!Syaoran and C!Sakura were reborn after their deaths. They met again and had a baby, R!Syaoran. After R!Syaoran left for his stay in Clow Country, where he met R!Sakura, both C!Syaoran and C!Sakura made the wish with Yuuko to trap themselves inside the capsule until that fight between FWR, R!Syaoran and co.

Nifichu

07-31-2009, 05:16 AM

Here we go again. :9

Lone_ant

07-31-2009, 08:39 AM

Well it was a necessary explanation chapter as it wasn't really explicitly said (or said enough times) that these are the facts. So now it is :)

Still not used to having Syaoran and Sakura as a married couple though :P

Though I'm wondering, it seems that RSyaoran's name isn't going to be revealed..at least not by the parents I guess. Or is Syaoran's real name really Syaoran? From whom did the first-

/stops thinking. Yeah, the first clone reincarnation was named Syaoran by his father (refuge argument for sanity)

P.S. Happy birthday Seraphinu :D

BethhyTheMokona

07-31-2009, 11:51 AM

I just can't get enough of FWR's face. That was hilarious! :'3 I'd like to see how he dies. :'D

I loved the first few pages. They were so cute, don't you agree? :'3

All there is now is to find out how R!Syaoran, Fai and Kurogane feel about the clones being the parents. Thank God it's only next week<3<3

Ryo-Chan

07-31-2009, 12:55 PM

Err wait,. Sakura's the one with Syaoran's err.. square-circle thingy and Syaoran has Sakura's Star Circle?
And http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000018/000207982/16.jpg
Everyone's face in this page is so priceless, especially FWR . And Sakura and Syaoran both are smiling so sweetly thr

Lone_ant

07-31-2009, 12:58 PM

Yeah they turned each other' form back..

I just realized it now with the last page that they were explaining to the others.. I wonder how RSyaoran will take this, as well as Fai and Kurogane!

Vande

07-31-2009, 01:26 PM

It's up on onemanga now, screw mangafox XD

We still don't know R!Syaoran's real name XD

Ryo-Chan

07-31-2009, 01:37 PM

Well, Sakura is also a fake name no?

ggctuk

07-31-2009, 02:23 PM

Don't you just love it when the bad guy realises that in creating the servants for his bidding (in this case the Clones), he's created his own downfall?

Lone_ant

07-31-2009, 02:31 PM

Well, Sakura is also a fake name no?

Yup though even this one's based on something time travely(and necessarily convoluted)

The following isn't stated (at least I can't remember) but my theory is such:

Remember that Acid Tokyo and Clow Country (original and not) is the same world (just that Clow Country was a number of years in advance)

Well CSakura apparently protected the Reservoir of water in Acid Tokyo and in honor of this I think the people created a sort of ritual ~ a shrine maiden is chosen and honored with the title "Sakura"; who is given the responsibility to cleanse and take care of the Water.

So this case is similar with RSyaoran in that her "name" is based on her clone's name :D

tsubasa_san

07-31-2009, 04:40 PM

Regarding RSyaoran's name that everyone is asking about. Is it not said that the father bequeathed BOTH his sword AND his name on the younger? Therefore can we not safely say they both have the same name? Oh, and a quick little bit on the name "Syaoran". Syaoran is the katakana version of the Mandarin 小狼, which in Pin-Yin(the roumaji/romanic letters), is XiâoLáng. Translated, it means small wolf, exposing the pun in Syaoran's name while in the game early on in the series.

ggctuk

07-31-2009, 07:19 PM

Oh, what, tou mean the "Big Doggy/Puppy, Little Doggy/Puppy" thing in Outo?

(It's "Doggy" in scanlations, Puppy in the Del Rey manga)

Eger-kun

07-31-2009, 07:29 PM

I guess I expected so much in this chapter that I didn't see much of it coming (Huzzah cliche) .

Anyways even though Fei Wang Reed is in utter dismay and pretty much that the clones are somehow back to their original selves I wonder how will that be explained on the next chapter

ending the Endless Eight Loop is rather typical these days and I wanna see Fai and Kurogane now

/fangirl squee

>_>
<_<

hecktooor

07-31-2009, 09:13 PM

im very curious about how Fai and Kurogane take the clones as being the R!Syaoran's parents... is the next chapter coming out next week?

Tsuki

07-31-2009, 09:42 PM

Yep, it's next week.
I want to see their faces too. Most probably R!Syaoran will be the most shocked... than Kurogane, since Fai is unconscious right now so it won't be too big a shock for him XD

Lone_ant: You have a nice theory regarding Sakura's name. I like it :D

Ereetria Morgan

07-31-2009, 10:54 PM

Finally, two chapters in a row..
>.>

tsubasa_san

08-01-2009, 01:58 AM

Oh, what, tou mean the "Big Doggy/Puppy, Little Doggy/Puppy" thing in Outo?

(It's "Doggy" in scanlations, Puppy in the Del Rey manga)

You are right. There was no real differention between dog/puppy in the Japanese, I believe the names were 大型狗(big doggy/puppy), and 小狗.(Small doggy/puppy)

lost_feather

08-01-2009, 03:38 AM

@ Lone_ant: that is one awesomely cool theory.

ggctuk

08-01-2009, 05:54 PM

I have a new threory regarding the whole time-loop thing. I came up with this while I was at work this afternoon.

Okay, so Yuuko nearly dies and Clow (unwittingly) saves her by severing her time. Fei Wong then realises that he can attempt to grant this wish with his own power, so he severs his own time to keep an eye on the events that unfold. He hatches a plan to revive Yuuko, but at the moment, nothing exists that he can use - the feather beneath Clow/Tokyo Ruins doesn't exist yet. This is Timeline 1.

Centuries later, the events of CCS unfold. A couple of decades after that, Sakura and Syaoran marry, and have a child, R!Syaoran, and Sakura has a vision and sends him off to Clow Country. At this point, we get a slightly alternate version of the "Seven-Day/Death Seal" event (in that Fei Wong is able to place the seal straight away on Sakura). R!Syaoran reverses his time, thus creating Timeline 2 - the Clones are made and released, Nadeshiko dies, Fujitaka's destiny changes and Clow becomes king, Watanuki is born as a replacement to R!Syaoran etc. It's this timeline that most of TRC occurs in according to this theory. The major turning point is that the group visits Tokyo, and Sakura leaves the Feather behind, thus facilitating the creation of the next timeline. We get to the point where the Clones are both destroyed, but are brought back by yuuko. Yuuko and Clow grant their wish to be reborn, and they are born into the same world as CCS Sakura and Syaoran, at the same time. Now, since there cannot be two people the same in the same dimension, the CCS dimension splits in two. At this point, we transcend to Timeline 3. Timeline 3 happens in almost the same fashion as timeline 2, but with the added side-effect that Fei Wong has essentially released what he needed - the Feather to revive Yuuko. We weren't in flashback the past few chapters - we were actually witnessing events AS THEY HAPPENED to the reincarnated clones, and at this point, we transcend to Timeline 3 from Timeline 2 seamlessly. Knowing they are stuck in a temporal loop, the Clones are trying to create a new timeline, Timeline 4.

Hope that makes sense, it did in my head :D

Seraphinu

08-01-2009, 06:41 PM

Time paradoxes... never make sense. xD

ggctuk

08-01-2009, 06:52 PM

No, but I'm trying to make some sort of sense out of the madness.

tsubasa_san

08-01-2009, 08:04 PM

I have a new threory regarding the whole time-loop thing. I came up with this while I was at work this afternoon.

Okay, so Yuuko nearly dies and Clow (unwittingly) saves her by severing her time. Fei Wong then realises that he can attempt to grant this wish with his own power, so he severs his own time to keep an eye on the events that unfold. He hatches a plan to revive Yuuko, but at the moment, nothing exists that he can use - the feather beneath Clow/Tokyo Ruins doesn't exist yet. This is Timeline 1.

Centuries later, the events of CCS unfold. A couple of decades after that, Sakura and Syaoran marry, and have a child, R!Syaoran, and Sakura has a vision and sends him off to Clow Country. At this point, we get a slightly alternate version of the "Seven-Day/Death Seal" event (in that Fei Wong is able to place the seal straight away on Sakura). R!Syaoran reverses his time, thus creating Timeline 2 - the Clones are made and released, Nadeshiko dies, Fujitaka's destiny changes and Clow becomes king, Watanuki is born as a replacement t
o R!Syaoran etc. It's this timeline that most of TRC occurs in according to this theory. The major turning point is that the group visits Tokyo, and Sakura leaves the Feather behind, thus facilitating the creation of the next timeline. We get to the point where the Clones are both destroyed, but are brought back by yuuko. Yuuko and Clow grant their wish to be reborn, and they are born into the same world as CCS Sakura and Syaoran, at the same time. Now, since there cannot be two people the same in the same dimension, the CCS dimension splits in two. At this point, we transcend to Timeline 3. Timeline 3 happens in almost the same fashion as timeline 2, but with the added side-effect that Fei Wong has essentially released what he needed - the Feather to revive Yuuko. We weren't in flashback the past few chapters - we were actually witnessing events AS THEY HAPPENED to the reincarnated clones, and at this point, we transcend to Timeline 3 from Timeline 2 seamlessly. Knowing they are stuck in a temporal loop, the Clones are trying to create a new timeline, Timeline 4.

Hope that makes sense, it did in my head :D

I think you may be right, especially the bi about how th last couple chapters are not flashbacks, as they do not fit the CCS chain of events. However, I would like to suggest you stop making predictions/summaries like this one for a while, or you might just fall into a coma from thinking too hard. Oh, how this board looks like rocket science compared to the others. I would also like to add to your theory. In addition to trying to get the feathers to grant his wish,(Yuuko lives), he was also dabbling in soul transfer. Remember the woman who freed Syaoran from FWR to go to Yuuko to go to Tokyo? FWR said she was a failed image. I believe she was an attemp to copy Yuuko. Does anybody have any evidence to add to this? Oh, and about trying to make sense of the madness, you are doing a very good job. Veritas vincit.

ggctuk

08-01-2009, 08:28 PM

Nope, when was the last time I fell into a coma for thinking too hard? I can do no such thing. Actually, my job is pretty mind-numbing, so that brianwave had the pleasure of snapping me out of my brain-dead stupor this afternoon.

Timelines is my speciality, after all, I'm trying to unravel The Terminator (off-topic).

Back to the ontopic - Xing Huo appears imilar to Yuuko - same build, similar face (minus makeup). Her last words to Syaoran are what seems to help confirm it - "The Dream Must End".

hecktooor

08-01-2009, 09:50 PM

i thought that Xing Huo was similar to Yuuko... FWR prolly would want to clone Yuuko for his plan, so it would make since if he tried

tsubasa_san

08-01-2009, 11:36 PM

Xing could possibly have been an attempt by FWR to do the same thing as Fai,(dead brother Fai), had happenn to him, only on a larger scale. Worth a look into. I am currently editing the lost eye picture to make it tshirt ready, so if anybody wants to help, or contribute ideas, contact me.

CVI

08-02-2009, 01:45 AM

By Xing Huo is similiar to Yuuko, I agree.
Remember, that Xing Huo has power to transfer dimension, although just once, because she is a not-yet-perfect-clone made by Fei Wong Reed.

But with ggctuk's theory just now, I don't completely agree. I was always thinking that these last chapters are a flashback of the reincarnated clones, flashback that happens when the clones are reviving the destroyed worlds, in Clow Country...
But, who knows?? I don't really sure either.

Lone_ant

08-02-2009, 01:57 AM

The last chapter was definitely a flashback (MSakura explaining to the others) but the chapters before that weren't (it was a seamless transition from the wish that Yuuko granted).

And yup everything checks out :D

Although I don't think the clones were reincarnated into the CCS world, primarily because CCS Sakura gave her wand to MSakura (she was wearing her motherly clothes by then) while CCS Sakura was still young~she should have been the same age as MSakura if the world just split at the moment of reincarnation (and since this is the same world essentially time should be the same in speed). But the reason it checks out is that there's no reason why CCS Sakura can't dream of her future self in a diffrent world. Either way it, wether they were reincarnated into CCS or a different dimension (where the loop sets up), doesn't change the gist of the interpretation.

CVI

08-02-2009, 02:06 AM

Right.
But, has anyone mentioned, that WHY, if Yuuko died when she gave lifes to the clones to reincarnated, then why was she still alive, to transfer 7 years old-R!Syaoran to Clow Country?

Lone_ant

08-02-2009, 02:07 AM

Because she was stil (sort of) alive then (time travel remember? the clones reincarnated back in time)

tsubasa_san

08-02-2009, 06:14 AM

It was because of the time "loop". The fact that they were reincarnated into another time made it possible for such a time paradox to happen. I kind of feel sorry for Yuuko, having to keep track of past, present, and future events all at once.

ggctuk

08-02-2009, 08:06 AM

Although I don't think the clones were reincarnated into the CCS world, primarily because CCS Sakura gave her wand to MSakura (she was wearing her motherly clothes by then) while CCS Sakura was still young~she should have been the same age as MSakura if the world just split at the moment of reincarnation (and since this is the same world essentially time should be the same in speed). But the reason it checks out is that there's no reason why CCS Sakura can't dream of her future self in a diffrent world. Either way it, wether they were reincarnated into CCS or a different dimension (where the loop sets up), doesn't change the gist of the interpretation.

This is where I answered that in my theory:

Yuuko and Clow grant their wish to be reborn, and they are born into the same world as CCS Sakura and Syaoran, at the same time. Now, since there cannot be two people the same in the same dimension, the CCS dimension splits in two. At this point, we transcend to Timeline 3. Timeline 3 happens in almost the same fashion as timeline 2, but with the added side-effect that Fei Wong has essentially released what he needed - the Feather to revive Yuuko. We weren't in flashback the past few chapters - we were actually witnessing events AS THEY HAPPENED to the reincarnated clones, and at this point, we transcend to Timeline 3 from Timeline 2 seamlessly. Knowing they are stuck in a temporal loop, the Clones are trying to create a new timeline, Timeline 4.

Hope that makes sense, it did in my head :D

Lone_ant

08-02-2009, 08:13 AM

No, my objection wasn't why it split, but that it's not necessary (everything works out even if the Clones were reincarnated not on the CCS World)

CVI

08-02-2009, 12:04 PM

Because she was stil (sort of) alive then (time travel remember? the clones reincarnated back in time)

Ah, I somewhat get it.

Vande

08-02-2009, 02:41 PM

new sched:

5th Aug - Shonen Magazine #36 - Chapter 226.
12th Aug - Shonen Magazine #37 - Chapter 227.
19th Aug - Shonen Magazine #38 - No Tsubasa scheduled.

tsubasa_san

08-02-2009, 04:11 PM

As to age difference being the factor at debate, we do know that time flows at different rates in different sekai, even split ones.(remember the world where they went back in time? It's like a version of that.) Therefore we can explain the age difference by a TIME difference. OR we could explain it by saying that it was a dream.

tsubasa_san

08-02-2009, 04:13 PM

Boy, if anybody accidentally clicked into this thread, sorry for destroying your sanity. Time warps are fun!

ggctuk

08-02-2009, 05:01 PM

No, my objection wasn't why it split, but that it's not necessary (everything works out even if the Clones were reincarnated not on the CCS World)

Which does not explain Syaoran's blood relation to Clow Reed - even if Clow wishes it, Syaoran's parents would have to be related by blood to Clow.

Plus, as indicated before, some scenes, particularly the one betwee R!Syaoran and Syaoran (where the sword is given to R!Syaoran) occur where Syaoran has two different personalities.

hecktooor

08-02-2009, 08:00 PM

that scene, C!Syaoran said that his sword was from his father. so that beening said, who is C!Syaoran's father he is talking about?

tsubasa_san

08-03-2009, 12:47 AM

CVI

08-03-2009, 01:15 AM

Ngggh... ~_='
Pretty complicated...
5th August??! Yeah! The day after tomorrow!

ggctuk

08-03-2009, 08:53 AM

Just because WHO is born is different, parentage isn't. As example, I name Watanuki. Syaoran(not clone) was supposed to be born where Wataniuki was, and yet the parents are the same. The same would be for this case. The clones incarnation parentage, Sya. side would be Reed, ね？

My point exactly. The Lis are related to Clow by blood in both TRC and CCS. That would evidently either make their world an offshoot of the CCS world, or they are clones (not likely).

Also of note, Yuuko has said both Syaoran and Sakura are related by blood to Clow.

Lone_ant

08-03-2009, 11:13 AM

Ah I understand, that particular Li family is related to the CCS clow and hence the clones were reincarnated in an off-shoot of the CCS World. :)

ggctuk

08-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Here's the transcript for the flashback in 192:

R!Syaoran: Mother had a dream?
Syaoran: She said there is somebody out there waiting for you. In a world which differs from ours in both dimension and principle. Will you go?
R!Syaoran: This is something Mother saw in a dream? Besides which... if this is what I am meant to do, then I will go.
Syaoran: .... Well, then. I give this to you.
R!Syaoran: But, father! This is your...!
Syaoran: I was given this by my father. And now it is your turn to bear it. Along with my name.
R!Syaoran: Will there come a time when I must use this? In the other world?
Syaoran: ....
R!Syaoran: Father?

And that in 225:

R!Syaoran: Mother had a dream?
Syaoran: A dream that someone out there is waiting for you.
R!Syaoran: if this is something I must do, then I will go.
Syaoran: You never change. No... I suppose I couldn't expect you to.
R!Syaoran: Father?
Syaoran: Well, then. I entrust this to you. Along with the name I bear.

Two completely different attitudes to Syaoran in those two sequences, showcasing what's supposed to be the same events.

Lone_ant

08-03-2009, 12:25 PM

tsubasa_san

08-04-2009, 02:48 AM

Would it be safe to say that there has only been one loop before Sakura had her dream? The first Syaoran's silence tells of his foreknowledge of future events I think.

Nevertheless the fact that Clamp made the dialog different counts for something indeed.
It sounds logical, yet with what we have seen, I don't know about safe. The change of dialogue however, extremely important. It shows that the future events are going to be different then the last time, along with some pyschological insights into the father figures.

CVI

08-04-2009, 05:05 AM

I'm still wondering... Who'll get unhappy ending?? I don't think it'll be Syaoran, since he has passed through long and painful journey, like what F!Syaoran had said.

ggctuk

08-04-2009, 08:43 AM

Scans are out, people!

It seems FWR's plan hinged on Yuuko remaining in the cut-off time, or on the egde of life/death. Yuuko's dead, so his plan seems completely shattered.

Tsuki

08-04-2009, 09:54 AM

Looks like they weren't all that shocked. FWR is going to break down... He can shout all he wants about not accepting Yuuko's death, but he can't to anything about it now...

chibi15

08-04-2009, 10:12 AM

When will the next chapter be out?

OMG! FWR is going to do something terrible!! And OMG Fye knows!!!

I will just wait until Clamp explain more to us!

For those who follow xxxHolic it's out on OM as well!! <3

Ryo-Chan

08-04-2009, 10:35 AM

Aww.. you just spoiled the fun of reading this holic chapter!!

crisshinn

08-04-2009, 10:39 AM

FWR is mad... He just won't stop. I sure hope his relationship with Yuuko is revealed next chapter. He seems pretty intent on resurrecting Yuuko. >.< This was a fast release, when's the next one?

BethhyTheMokona

08-04-2009, 01:43 PM

I certainly enjoyed this chapter! Things are definitely getting interesting!!
I can never get enough of that FWR. :'3 I do so wonder why he wants to revive Yuuko.
And the whole bondage between them all... very sweet! :aww:

EDIT: Vande did say that the next chapter will be next week on he 12th, but then there will be no chapter after that.

Lone_ant

08-04-2009, 02:14 PM

I'm expecting a nassive reveal next chap, as it seems everything is about to click into place (except for how it will end ofcourse)

Aargh, so giddy with anticipation!

Plaumff-chan

08-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Somehow, FWR's desperation to bring back Yuuko made me kind of sad for him. They seemed to be such rivals when she was alive, but now, it's as though he misses her. He's searching for her in every World...
I like this evil guy, lol. I wonder if he's in love with Yuuko...?

Lone_ant

08-04-2009, 02:34 PM

dark mage

08-04-2009, 02:48 PM

It was really confusing to see both the clone Syaoran and the Clone and original Sakura like that.

BethhyTheMokona

08-04-2009, 02:51 PM

Oh how cute! That would be lovely if FWR was in love with her... too bad I hate his guts. :'3

It certainly is confusing. And I'm also giddy with anticipation. :'O

Has anyone noticed that the style of this chapter has changed slightly compared to the others...? It somewhat seems different...

EDIT: I wonder what Kurogane means by giving C!Parents a 'good knocking'? I know it's like a beating... but how badly? :'<

Vande

08-04-2009, 04:37 PM

Lol Kurogane, normal him alright :p

He didn't mean it 'literally' Bethany. Just a figure of speech.

BethhyTheMokona

08-04-2009, 04:59 PM

Perhaps he'll do to them what he did to R!Syaoran when he told them about his past. You can expect Kurogane to sulk a little.
ish Bethhy, m'love. Bethany definitely doesn't suit me. x'3

Hm, R!Syaoran took that a little too well, ne? And why doesn't it surprise me that Fai already knew. x'D

Vande

08-04-2009, 05:07 PM

awww i was in TRC mode doing a Kurogane ^^

okies Bethhy ^^

FWR is gonna try and do something stupid :p I wonder if Watanuki is going to have to grant a wish.

Arkaon

08-04-2009, 05:32 PM

Plaumff-chan

08-04-2009, 05:42 PM

Well that's the only thing that would explain what he's done.. I mean not revenge/hate certainly (why revive her?).

Anyway I think he's Clow and Yuuko's son.. but that's just a wild guess on my part.

See, I like that idea better than the Watanuki is FWR...first it was Domeki is FWR...now Watanuki, lol. Perhaps it's so out there it might actually be true O_o'
I like to think that Clow and Yuuko had some sort of personal relationship...
Maybe it was a FWR-Yuuko-Clow love triangle?
I prefer the FWR was Yuuko/Clow's son one...

tsubasa_san

08-04-2009, 06:19 PM

I dont think that there was a love triangle, but an inferiority complex perhaps. Let us assume that the relationship between FWR and Clow was that they were brothers. Now, if you had a brother who was the most powerfull being in existence, imagine the parents. Everytime FWR did something wrong, the parents would use Clow as an example. (ex.- "Clow wouldn't have done that!", "Clow would have done this!" etc...) Now, after all of that, would he not wish to show everyone he could do something Clow could not?
Please remember, I am talking about during childhood, and hypothetically.

tsubasa_san

08-04-2009, 06:25 PM

well, after reading the last chapter, and the face of desesperation of WFR, i only think in one person that desire so much the life of yuko, watanuki, if FWR and watanuki are the same that will explain a lot, at leas to me.
I am sorry, but I am going to have to shoot this idea down. Watanuki is a "version" of Syaoran, so the FWR thing doesn't work. As for the Doumeki=FWR, that is debatable, however perhaps a good direction to research into.

Ren-san

08-04-2009, 07:50 PM

If Fei Wong Reed and Watanuki turned out to be the same person, then that would definitely be a huge twist in the story for me because of the fact that Watanuki seemed so willing to help Syaoran and Sakura out with anything they needed help with.

ggctuk

08-04-2009, 08:03 PM

There are differences in their wishes. Watanuki wants to meet Yuuko again (that statemt where he says he will not be immortal but will never age had me thinking - perhaps if he can't see Yuuko in life, he'd see her in death?). Fei Wong's wish is bent entirely on REVIVING Yuuko and restoring her from the time rift. If Fei Wong and Watanuki were the same, then FWR would have known there would be no way to bring Yuuko back.

CVI

08-05-2009, 12:02 AM

But, if Yuuko really is the person FWR want to revive, then.... Why he call Yuuko "that witch"? That sounds so rude, I think. Haha... Don't mind.

Lone_ant

08-05-2009, 12:04 AM

Shikashi, this fits with Doumeki wanting to end Watanuki's eternal vigil. Although there are some irregularities that cause me to reject this, for example, Doumeki being that old he would have needed to use a time-machine of some sort, moreover, Doumeki as far as we know is not a descendant of Clow Reed. Lastly, I really don't see Doumeki turning over to the dark side.

@CVI well, anything else might have revealed his true relationship with Yuuko, perhaps? I thought it was weird too, if he really loved her, he didn't even hesistate to hurt her (back when Yuuko traced him to where he was)

CVI

08-05-2009, 12:11 AM

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Ah... Just wait and see...

Synchronicityy.

08-05-2009, 07:53 AM

wew mayb FWR wanted to use Yuuko.. for something else?
like how he use Sakura to destroy the logic of the world?

Plaumff-chan

08-05-2009, 08:27 AM

tsubasa_san

08-05-2009, 04:52 PM

It being a competition/rivalry between brothers is completely plausible too @tsubasa-san.
And, Lone-ant has a point with FWR not having much sympathy towards Yuuko, but his actions are more reminiscent of a man so bent on granting his own wish, that he doesn't care anymore who or what he hurts, even if it's the thing he wishes for the most. Like blinding obsession.
Though I always found it funny that Yuuko could discuss the wish of her revival so cooly with FWR, and he always got that sad look on his face when she did so, like on this page:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/202/03/
And in this one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/202/05/
Huh, I think Tsubasa-San's theory about brotherly rivalry has more weight...but I think that Clow Reed is a distant relative of FWR? Can't be sure...
Oh...this image of FWR reminded me of the whole obsession syndrom his got going:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/197/01/

Your mention of not caring about the means to the end really got me thinking CVI. Has anybody read the Star Wars novels "Legacy of the Force"? For those who have not, I'll explain. Jacen, one of the main characters, was a hero, and a powerfull jedi. However, in the war against the Yuuzhan Vong, he was captured, and tortured.(I believe for around one year of straight, no breaks, torture.) After that he sought to make the galaxy a place where no one waged war, and were all united. However, he started to go down the dark side, along the way not caring how he got the job done, as long as it got done. He ended up becoming a sith lord. Anyone see any similarities?

Ren-san

08-05-2009, 04:58 PM

I have always saw that possibility as one of the reasons as to why some people turn out different from what they were in the past. Kurogane was a ruthless assassin, who killed everyone he fought, before he was sent to visit Yuuko. But as the journey with Syaoran, Sakura, Fai, and White Mokona continued, Kurogane changed from being such a cold character to one that shows mercy.

So why can't the opposite happen with one of the characters that was good to begin with. After a while, the desire to see a wish fulfill would probably make the wisher insane to the point that they won't care how the wish is fulfilled, as it is fulfilled in the end.

Plaumff-chan

08-05-2009, 07:42 PM

The happiness and sadness that wishes bring is seen more in xxxholic, where you see how some people's wishes become really unhealthy either in obsession or denial...and can sometimes cause death...
Changes can go both ways, towards good or bad, depends. And, FWR did say that he discarded all doubts and hesitations so that he could fulfill his own wish. Whether it's a rivalry between Clow and himself, or an act of love remains to be seen I guess...

Ok, I have a question...since Syaoran's parents, the clones, locked themselves in the capsule thing immediately after real Syaoran left to Clow Country...when did Watanuki come into play?
I mean, it was through their own power that they turned back time, as Yuuko explains here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/216/02/
"Through their own power, they turned back time and left their children behind"...
But, they were the ones that turned back time and immidiately went into the capsule as a price. So...when did they have time to be Watanuki's parents?
It's probably a stupid question, but I can't fit it really...

ggctuk

08-05-2009, 08:25 PM

They only rewound time to the point where R!Syaoran met R!Sakura, so they were Watanuki's parents for seven years.

Rainfeather

08-05-2009, 08:35 PM

I admit it. Tsubasa is starting to get really confusing, especially with the two Syaorans and the revelation of Fai's past (though he's not really Fai). I miss when everything was fun and happier in the earlier volumes. Now everything is so dark, cryptic, and aggravating. However, I still think Kurogane rocks and I still hate the real Syaoran. (sigh)

Plaumff-chan

08-05-2009, 08:56 PM

They only rewound time to the point where R!Syaoran met R!Sakura, so they were Watanuki's parents for seven years.

Yeah but, they were in the capsule right after they rewound time. Even if they rewound time to the point when RSyaoran meets RSakura, which was at the same time that he had originally left his parents, they were still in the capsule because they had to sacrifice their own time and just wait...And even when time was rewound, the ones that met once more weren't RSyaoran and RSakura, but CSyaoran and CSakura in Clow Country...
But, I'm taking into consideration also that Watanuki's parents died/disappeared when he was at a young age, probably at 7...at the age when Syaoran made the wish and the clones rewound time...
@_@------ x_x is any of this making sense? I think I'm confusing myself now...
By the way, the price that Syaoran had to pay back when he decided to return to Clow Country after FWR put the seal of death on Sakura makes sense now, since he probably wouldn't have had parents to return to.

Oh wait, did C/Sakura and C/Syaoran rewind time in general or just on themselves?...in any case, they were still in the capsule...X_X...

ggctuk

08-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Because Syaoran sacrificed his "Relationships" (even that with his parents although they will still recall him) there was a void where Syaoran should have been, and Watanuki was born to fill that void, so instead of Syaoran living through those events up to the time when his parents sent him away, Watanuki did. Only this time instead of sending Watanuki to Clow Country, they sealed themselves in the tube.

Plaumff-chan

08-06-2009, 05:04 AM

CVI

08-06-2009, 11:37 PM

Well, not "relationship" really, if I remember correctly, it is "existence" in the world R!Syaoran came from.

poorvi

08-07-2009, 09:51 AM

I'm soo happy new manga chapter came after soo long !!
i love this site

ioryogi

08-07-2009, 03:47 PM

@ggcutk

And again mind-twisting plot-holes appear:

When they sealed themselves in the tube, they were still living in china! So the replacement of sayoran, Watanuki, had also had to be there! But in xxxholic, he lives in Japan and has already a friendly relationship with his childhood classmates himawari and domeki!So when did he get there? What if watanauki is born to ccs sakuras and sayorans world as their future son? @_@

As for fei wongs intentions I have also a certain theory:
Maybe the whole fight between clow, yuko and fei wong is reflected in domeki's and Watanuki's roles? It could be a connection between their actions and wishes, insofar as they are reincarnated beings(explaining the facial similarity of clow to wata and domeki to fei wo)
As c!sakura and c!sayoran wield the unimagenable power of clow, the try to restore the worlds- so it could be possible, that they created/changed a future, where fei wong and clow and also yuko can meet again- not knowing that the later events take a similiar outcome...

ioryogi

08-07-2009, 03:48 PM

Ren-san

08-07-2009, 05:14 PM

It is not a big deal, it happens sometimes.

Plaumff-chan

08-07-2009, 10:55 PM

@ggcutk

And again mind-twisting plot-holes appear:

When they sealed themselves in the tube, they were still living in china! So the replacement of sayoran, Watanuki, had also had to be there! But in xxxholic, he lives in Japan and has already a friendly relationship with his childhood classmates himawari and domeki!So when did he get there? What if watanauki is born to ccs sakuras and sayorans world as their future son? @_@

That's what I was thinking...Before the time loop, Syaoran WASN'T the son of the clones, he was the son of another couple, and I was thinking that that other couple were CCS Sakura and Syaoran. And since Watanuki was created to fill the gaps of the relationships that he left behind, then he wasn't the child of the clones, but the child of the CCS couple.

Though, it's completely possible that after his parent's death, when he was 7, Watanuki moved to Japan to live...dunno why he would do that though...

Also, I was re reading a few TRC chapters, and something caught my attention on ch.220, pg. 14. When Yuuko is giving the clones the choice to be reborn, she says that Clow "left his remaining LIFE and magic" so that C.Syaoran could be born. And Yuuko has been collecting wishes in the shop...but I wonder if she also gave a part of her life for Sakura to be born too.
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/220/13/

Would that make C!Sakura and C!Syaoran reincarnations of Yuuko and Clow Reed?

Lone_ant

08-08-2009, 06:19 AM

No, because reincarnations are existances that have the same soul.

Undoubtedly CSyaoran and CSakura are not Clow and Yuuko (they just received "gifts" from them)

@ioryogi regarding that I think Watanuki is the child of the clones, because when he had that instantanous scene back in the shop where he saw the Clone Parents after they came out of the tube, he (well his body) identified them as his parents. So what happened must be that he went to Japan sometime after he was born.. perhaps in search of Yuuko; remember he performed 2 wishes - one being him being unable to see spirits (price being him helping out in the shop) and another one, earlier than that, (I can't remember what for though..) whose price is him losing his memories and relationships (hence why he doesn't remember anything from before he met Yuuko nor why he can't taste food that he cooked)

Plaumff-chan

08-08-2009, 07:19 AM

@ioryogi regarding that I think Watanuki is the child of the clones, because when he had that instantanous scene back in the shop where he saw the Clone Parents after they came out of the tube, he (well his body) identified them as his parents. So what happened must be that he went to Japan sometime after he was born.. perhaps in search of Yuuko; remember he performed 2 wishes - one being him being unable to see spirits (price being him helping out in the shop) and another one, earlier than that, (I can't remember what for though..) whose price is him losing his memories and relationships (hence why he doesn't remember anything from before he met Yuuko nor why he can't taste food that he cooked)

The first wish he made was to identify the location of both Sakuras and I think to enable the Tsubasa group to be able to travel there.
Mmm...though I agree with you, I still think that the CCS couple have something to do with RSyaoran and Watanuki...

ggctuk

08-08-2009, 10:05 AM

Lone_ant

08-08-2009, 10:43 AM

Actually I think it's easier to say that it's like CCS in that Syaoran lives with Sakura in Japan. (They only met up in Hong Kong - due to Sakura's field trip, but that doesn't mean that they stayed there)

Tsuki

08-08-2009, 12:31 PM

...Before the time loop, Syaoran WASN'T the son of the clones,

I don't really agree on this one. Time loop is one thing, but reincarnation and rebirth will not replace a certain timeline/ existence/ people/ anything! So Syaoran was the son of the reincarnated clone couple from the start, they were always his parents! That's why Watanuki identified them as his parents when he saw them when they came out of the tube, as Lone_ant said. I don't think the CCS couple has anything to do with this whole story except for CCS! Sakura giving away her starstaff. (Most probably she gave that wand to M!Sakura in the same way, and for the same reason why Tomoyo from Pffle helped out Tomoyo from Nihon... CCS!Sakura new about M!Sakura being one of her alternate self in a separated dimension and she simple helped her out)

Lone_ant: I think they stayed in Hong Kong judging from the clothes and their surroundings... In my opinion Watanuki also lived there with them, but after their death (in Watanuki's life the time of the parent's death should be the time when they sent of Syaoran in the first version), he moved to Japan. Reason: parents died, so he had to move to some other relative, like grandparents... For example M!Sakura's parents, who lived in Japan.

Hope this all makes sence... ^_^"""

ggctuk

08-08-2009, 02:10 PM

This is it - There ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be two sets of Lis directly related by Blood to Clow Reed (if made any plainer, Syaoran himself stated it in the last chapter). Pluz, while time does not move in a 'line' as such, neither can it move in a loop. There has to be an originating timeline. Otehrwise, nothing could exist in the first place.

Tsuki

08-08-2009, 05:43 PM

Why is that? How do you know exactly how many children did Clow have and in how many dimensions did he had children? Remember what his goal was in CCS: he didn't want to be the most powerful mage. What is a better way to divide a power? To have many heirs to split it up... in my opinion...

ggctuk

08-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Because it was stated in CCS that one of Clow's parents was Li. Heck of a big coninidence, right?

Plaumff-chan

08-08-2009, 07:41 PM

I don't really agree on this one. Time loop is one thing, but reincarnation and rebirth will not replace a certain timeline/ existence/ people/ anything! So Syaoran was the son of the reincarnated clone couple from the start, they were always his parents! That's why Watanuki identified them as his parents when he saw them when they came out of the tube, as Lone_ant said. I don't think the CCS couple has anything to do with this whole story except for CCS! Sakura giving away her starstaff. (Most probably she gave that wand to M!Sakura in the same way, and for the same reason why Tomoyo from Pffle helped out Tomoyo from Nihon... CCS!Sakura new about M!Sakura being one of her alternate self in a separated dimension and she simple helped her out)

Hope this all makes sence... ^_^"""

I thought about it, and I think I get it now. It's because I was stuck on the whole time loop thing, and I forgot that reincarnations are reincarnations regardless, like you said. Normally, they should have been reincarnated in the future, but since time is no longer moving in single direction, they were reincarnated in the past because FWR broke that logic/law. So, since the begin, they were R!Syaoran's parents.
-_- I was basically trying to apply logic to something that didn't have logic.
It all made sense ^_^

ioryogi

08-08-2009, 09:00 PM

what makes no sense, too, is, that in clow country, where princess sakura lives, is no sayoran from the beginning! He had to be teleported to this dimension so that the couple could form! It's strange, because couples, soulmates throughout the story always find themselves in the same location in their dimension.
(like toya&yuki, ashura & yasha, arashi&sorata...)

ioryogi

08-08-2009, 09:02 PM

...okay not realy surprising that clamp's works make no sense...:)

Lone_ant

08-09-2009, 12:45 AM

@Tsuki, ah I see, their clothes do look more HongKongish (and more in line with Syaoran's clothes when they met). So Watanuki went to Japan after his parents died (though I'd align their deaths with the moment they went to the tube and not when they sent RSyaoran off)

As for the loop, well I'm actually 50:50, on the one hand ggctuck's interpretation is kinder to logic (in that it uses -branching of worlds- to make sense out of the timeline), while Tsuki's interpretation (the one I first held before understanding ggctuck's) is more intuitively satisfying (well for me) as it follows what everyone said closer without assuming an element that wasn't explicitly said in the story (the branching off of worlds was only explicitly stated to happen once (on two worlds though, Clow and xxxHolic) - regarding RSyaoran's wish and the necessity of Watanuki's existance)

So I'm letting Shrodinger's cat decide for me which I adopt :P

CVI

08-09-2009, 02:00 AM

Well... Then...
If the clones really became Watanuki's parents, then...
I watched xxxHOLIC, but I forget it in which episode, in Watanuki's room, there's a picture that shows himself, and 2 adult people behind him. I always thought that those two are Watanuki's parents. But, strangely, the two of them even don't resemble to the clones!! Like, the woman in the picture has long, tied hair...

Nightdragon

08-09-2009, 04:09 AM

are you sure the time loop thing even was part of the CCS or the, cause everyone else said they disappeared, so in reality they may not have even been in the normal time flow and even could have been in a different dimension playing out there lives. so in reality the last few chapters where filler :D

BethhyTheMokona

08-09-2009, 10:41 AM

The last few chapters were how the clones became the parents. If they were filler, unnessacary information, we wouldn't know what actually happened to them.
Or am I missing a point here? I have to be truly honest and say I haven't been following the last few pages quite clearly.

Lone_ant

08-09-2009, 01:35 PM

No, I don't think it's filler, as it has quite a big impact on the plot (explaining a lot of things that happened before hand, such as why the parents were able to aniticipate CSyaoran's needs etc.)

However the time-loop being connected to CCS is a matter of.. well, logic. You could explain the loop using logic (in which case CCS is connected~ as ggctuck has explained) or not (in which case these are in a different dimension and that the Clones were and had always been the parents of RSyaoran, Clow having fathered descendants in this dimension, or perhaps the clones being fathered from the western side of Clow's lineage [quite a stretch this is though])

SakuraKiss18

08-09-2009, 04:24 PM

I'm just trying to wait patiently for CLAMP's explanation because knowing them, it'll probably be so out there that it actually seems plausible. I don't think I could ever come up with anything they could easily think up. Also, multiple time loops confuse me if you pair them with alternate dimensions. XP

The patiently waiting part isn't coming easily.

Goes to read the last few chapters of TRC to keep myself from going insane.

Vande

08-10-2009, 04:14 PM

Current sched:
08/12 - Shonen Magazine #37 - Chapter 227.
08/19 - Shonen Magazine #38 - No Tsubasa scheduled.

O.o reading potential 227 spoilers on Manga Helpers (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1506967&postcount=54)

227 唯一の証
The Singular Proof

二組ともアゴの容器に
Both sets, to FWR's container--

( I'm assuming both sets means Clone SxS and Real SxS couple?)

次号休載
Break next week.

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 04:54 PM

FWR's container?! What is THAT supposed to mean?!?!?! Could it be the container for the souls he's been collecting?

Ren-san

08-10-2009, 05:21 PM

Perhaps, container is referring to the various things that needs to happen in order to grant his wish.

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 07:20 PM

Perhaps, container is referring to the various things that needs to happen in order to grant his wish.

Maybe, UGH I can't wait for the translated scans! I wish I could read Kanji!

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 07:26 PM

I seriously lol'd! Too much! I choked on my drink!
Oh and keep things referring to the spoiler in your own spoiler. You don't want to spoil it for the others.

Container meaning the tube that Syaoran and Sakura were trapped in? I think...

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 07:27 PM

But I thought that C!Syaoran found that in the "Li" family vault. I don't think FWR planted it there because he was so shocked that the clones survived.

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 07:32 PM

Yuuko had one. Or am I mistaken?
Why not FWR have one too?
He is the mighty Butt Chin Wonder. >_<

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 07:36 PM

Very true! I forgot Yuuko had one. But maybe she planted it in the Li family vault, so technically there would only be one. I'm so confused right now...

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 07:46 PM

Who knows. We'll see in due time.

Excuse me a little... I'm crying at TRC ep 50. DD':

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 07:50 PM

I haven't watched all of the episodes.

I didn't watch the Chaos arc because it wasn't in the manga, which is what I mainly focus on.

I liked the OVA's though. Except Tokyo Revelations was seriously depressing and angsty.

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 07:57 PM

About the spoilers, you can reveal what other TRC fans have seen. Only put chapter spoilers in a spoiler. :drop: Sorry I didn't specify.

Everything after the country of Record, the rest of the episodes were filler. But the Chaos arc has many romantic moments 'tween Sakura and Syaoran that I wouldn't like to miss. xD

The OVAs were sensational. I'd like to think CCS!Sakura is doing more than in the manga. (Referring to Tokyo Revelations 3rd OVA).

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 08:01 PM

I thought it was a little cliche how the ended Tsubasa Shunraiki 2. But, if it means they make another OVA, then I have no problems!

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 08:14 PM

New OVAs are being planned, right now in fact. We just don't know which arc it will cover.
They wouldn't allow the OVAs to stop there. But I'm sure they've confused the viewers enough with the huge gap between the two.

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 08:15 PM

I was just so mad that they didn't animate Celes fully. I guess it might've been a little too angsty for some audiences, although if they were trying to avoid that, they should've just left Tokyo well alone too.

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 08:29 PM

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 08:33 PM

If they skipped Acid Tokyo and even Infinity, no one will know what has happened and would have assumed it's season 3. Wouldn't you think?

Manga RAWs for chapter 227 are up on Mangahelpers. It's up to you whetehr you'd like to read them withou translations or not.

I agree with you about the season 3. Thanks for the tip about chapter 227. I might just check it out to see the drawings, although maybe I'll wait to get the full effect from the translations......Okay, I can't wait. To Mangahelpers!

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 08:38 PM

Major lol coming up in this chapter!! XDDD Good grief.

FWR's gone MENTAL! O:

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 08:39 PM

OMG!

Wow you were right about the container! Good going! I wonder how FWR got it. And now both Sakuras and Syaorans are trapped! I can't wait for the translations!

What did you think? Did you read it?

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 08:50 PM

Oh yes I read it. I could understand a little bit of it so I didn't just read out of total anxiety. xD

I was right. Hm. Don't usually. xD
Laughed at first then I almost punched the screen at the second bit. I take back my sympathy for FWR!!
...I could slightly understand what FWR said when Yuuko was mentioned. But I'll let the translators reveal to you rather than a domestic teenager. I could be wrong. Two rights in one night... it can't be done for Bethhy!

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 08:53 PM

I hope the scans come out soon. CLAMP said this would be the last arc, but this is going on and ON! The suspense is building to the breaking point!

Maybe FWR stole the container from Yuuko...I wonder how they'll get out...

Eger-kun

08-10-2009, 08:57 PM

They'll use the power of love of course

/too lazy to use spoilers

considering CLAMP though I wonder if they used that kind of cliche .

D:<

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 08:57 PM

I would have thought CLAMP would have added one more little arc to tie up where they all end up. As far as I know, only Kurogane has a true home to return to.

No, he mentioned something a little more serious than the container. Something like the reason why he wants to revive her... oh, I'd very much like to find out.
Syaoran and Sakura being Syaoran and Sakura will definitely be all right!

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:00 PM

Hey is it just my computer or is your spoiler empty? Edit: Nevermind!

Anyway, I would like to think that Sakura and Syaoran would go back to the original Clow Country since the one they're currently in is different because it is frozen.

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 09:07 PM

I suppose, since when FWR disappears, the country of Clow's time would start flowing again and that's where Sakura and Syaoran could go. But I'm pretty sure the people there had melted...

Or they could return to where C!Parents lived and spend the rest of their lives there.

And while it's on my mind, it will be rather awkward now that C!Parents are back to their teenage body. I'm assuming they won't return to their adult selves since R!Syaoran didn't when he rewound his time.

ggctuk

08-10-2009, 09:09 PM

Yep, it's a game of who's who.

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:11 PM

Yeah I suppose it would be kind of awkward when you look at your parents and you realize that you tried to kill your father.

Eger-kun

08-10-2009, 09:12 PM

since the Clones already have their wish come true and they had their fun >/////>

/imagines

I'm pretty sure they'll sacrifice themselves for the Real ones sakes unless Fai had recovered his magic or nonetheless Yuuko suddenly appears out of nowhere

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 09:19 PM

Egg-kun put images in my head. And I'm not denying them.

Since C!Syaoran had heightened Fai's magic and Fuuma had said that it was possible that the magic had surpassed the amount with both eyes together, I'm guessing all that magic had transferred to Fai too. Fai should be a lot stronger.
And what are the chances of Yuuko appearing right after she died? x3

R!Syaoran is nice enough to forgive C!Syaoran/his father because they had their reasons. Because, to be honest, C!Syaoran did attempt to kill him back. They're kinda even.

Tsuki

08-10-2009, 09:27 PM

Aaaaaarrrg.... I read it, understood most of what they said... but I don't understand a lot of things... This is a rather confusing chapter yet again... I really don't want to see anyone die... Fai should be way stronger than he was before, but Butt Chin's gone insane so who knows what might happen... and on top of this, it's a break again... T_T

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 09:31 PM

At this point, I have to say someone probably won't be coming home. And it's frightening!!
...since when was Butt Chin Wonder ever sane? ...proved he could be more mentally unstable in this chapter.

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:34 PM

Well didn't CLAMP say that it would be a happy ending except for one person?

Tsuki

08-10-2009, 09:38 PM

Hope that one person is Butt Chin Wonder... (-_-)

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:44 PM

Haha, it better be or I'll be heading a protest!

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 09:47 PM

Most likely it will be BCW. It's not like CLAMP will do a Goku and say, 'if he says he is sorry, then he can go...'
Besides the obvious bad guy, who else has a likely chance of not surviving this series?

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:50 PM

It's hard to say...I want to see more of the vampire twins and Seishiro and Fuuma! I hope CLAMP let's us in on Seishiro's real reason for chasing the twins.

Yes I know that was also random. :lol:

BethhyTheMokona

08-10-2009, 09:53 PM

No, no. Just topic change, that's all. :'3
I'd certainly like to see there reasons for being in TRC and living entirely different lifestyles to Tokyo Babylon/X.
I suppose their reasons must be even more complex than the whole TRC plot. @.@

SakuraKiss18

08-10-2009, 09:55 PM

Well, I hope the chase comes into the central TRC plot at some time. I just love Kamui and Subaru as twins! Them being vampires just adds to the awesomeness.

ioryogi

08-11-2009, 01:36 AM

Ah I saw the raws...and I couldn't get sleep... so many thoughts cross my mind...clamp...@_@

So I was trying to get everything right interpreted: I think we see in the very first pages of trc Realsakura and Realsayoran trapped in the glas tube thing. it's the moment after feiwong/buttchin in chaptre 227 is going to seal them in his tube. But surprisingly mother/clonesakura had that vision before: http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/224/11/ and so she and c!sayo could interfere and get also into the tube to help them not to get seperated as seen in the picture! I believe Feiwong is able to use realsakura's body(which is the merged body of the clone) in order to manipulate her wings!Maybe he uses her power to resurect the now dead yuko in her death-dream, because the tube symbolizes the dream dimension(?!)(Or he is such a meanie and tosses r!saku-chan into a pitch dark nightmare!).Maybe Fei Wongs tube is the same tube witch got broken when the clones came out, but from the past before! So Fei Wong is amember of the Li dinasty, also knowing yuko and clow, too, means he is coming from a past time dimension, is he?And the tube could thisway passed on on the family vault?
I'm a bit disapointed of the whole tube motive...I thought it symbolizes a sandglass or sthg, and is related to clow country's sand... and now with its function looks somehow like a ghostbuster trap...!
And about the kamui vampire story: We have forgotten hokuto- subarus sister! Maybe in this dimension she is the love interest of seishiro, but got deadly ill or sthg other- and the vampires gave her blood(like fai) or refused it and seishiro is hunting them therefore-ooooooor they just had appetite for a hokuto-juice and seishiro wants now revenge!? Anyway Seishiro is somehow searching for immortality witch is explained in the outo contry arc:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/49/07/

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 01:58 AM

But didn't Kamui say that at some point Subaru had already given Seishiro his blood? Does he think that maybe if he gets more blood he will be immortal?!

crisshinn

08-11-2009, 03:24 AM

Geeez >.< The new chapter's up:

Okay now our most awaited answer to FWR's relation with Yuuko has been revealed. He's not Watanuki alright. Moreover I don't think he has any connection with Yuuko as well. It's all about exceeding Clow Reed and his pride >.< Geez... and now All of the Sakura and Syaorans are back inside that tube >.< It's the egg! the Egg!! :P The egg will smash the tube and free them :eban:

Odd-one

08-11-2009, 03:27 AM

um hi im new to reading this do any of you guys know when it will end?

Lone_ant

08-11-2009, 03:32 AM

This is the last arc.. and it seems to be climbing to it's climax so I'd say it'd end in 15 chapters at the most (that s a very generous most as well). Aas to when..well CLAMP seems to be very fond of TRC breaks lately >.<

@SakuraKiss18 yup, at least that's what he said his motive was.

Ren-san

08-11-2009, 05:15 AM

An interesting twist in the storyline.

This chapter was more of a picture meaning a thousand words, instead of the characters actually saying something.

I wonder who is going to be able to stop, Fei Wong Reed, now that he has nearly gain the ability to travel back and time again?

Lone_ant

08-11-2009, 09:39 AM

Really? That's it? .. that sounds..well just ..too childish to me ,going to go through all that effort just to prove he's more powerful than Clow D:

He's going to screw with the timeline again to boot.. no, I don't think he's going to succeed, perhaps through some loophole or something..

BethhyTheMokona

08-11-2009, 10:34 AM

I wondered how long it would take until FWR would finally snap.
:'< I am really hoping with all my heart that they will definitely be all right!

I don't think he will suceed. He doesn't seem to be thinking this through, now he's being entirely too rash by taking Sakura's power and Syaoran's freedom and eventually killing them. Goodness! There must be a flaw in that somewhere.

Ren-san

08-11-2009, 10:41 AM

I agree that FWR is starting to act too rash about the current situation that he is in. I wonder how Clamp is going to turn this situation around on FWR, in the end?

Because I don't see an happy ending for FWR anymore. Perhaps, this will affect the decision that Watanuki has just made in regards to staying in Yuuko's shop, until he sees Yuuko again.

BethhyTheMokona

08-11-2009, 10:48 AM

I reckon while FWR is so wrapped up in his little game with Syaorans and Sakuras, there will be some people on the outside (hint hint: Fai, Kurogane) that will take advantage of this and strike while he is defenseless.
Because we see here that FWR is maniacally smiling and shouting out his actions regarding the tube with our four characters, but we also see Fai and Kurogane charging up to him.
The follow up will just become predictable!

As far as I can see, Watanuki's role with the current situation in TRC is far too off. We can only wait until the dream where the two Syaoran's give him back his glasses.

OH!! If we see this dream, we already know they'll be all right! I'm relieved now. :'3

lost_feather

08-11-2009, 11:01 AM

I agree with Lone_ant, that seems like a pretty weak motive to destroy the fabric of time and space.

Then again, it does look as though he's insane. But what self-respecting omnicidal maniac isn't?

ioryogi

08-11-2009, 11:42 AM

Maybe its necassary for him to sucseed clow in power and magical abilities (like dimension hopping and time switching) and replace him as the world greatest mage!
With this position as a great mage, he is maybe able to get sth in reward-I remember clow and yuko have had the oportunity to meet the real mokona/ the creator of the world! Perhaps he wants to ask mokona why he has gotten such an ugly butt-chin:D

chibi15

08-11-2009, 12:01 PM

I think all those swirls confused me too much! But at least this chapter was not confusing! (A First for TRC maybe! Go Clamp!)

But if both Syaorans are in the tube that means the dream will be coming up with Watanuki and well we will see what happens

And then Doumeki will do something with the egg! <3

BethhyTheMokona

08-11-2009, 12:07 PM

I was confused to which Sakura and Syaoran that were entering the tube, but it's less confusing now that both couples have gone in.

The dream may occur during the tube or perhaps after the battle. And if that is so, then either way you look at it, the xxxHolic series seems to be ahead of the TRC.

@lost feather
/lol'd. The egg to break the tube and free them~ x3

Lone_ant

08-11-2009, 12:19 PM

Well dreams are non-temporal though I guess there is the time-difference in the two worlds (although the death of Yuuko seemed to occur simultaneously in all worlds, presumably because she's not part of any of their times)

Ahh, when's the next installment (I think xxxHolic's the closest one right?).

ioryogi

08-11-2009, 01:04 PM

The answer to all egg questions:Mokona is an easterbunny and domekis destiny is to color the egg!

BethhyTheMokona

08-11-2009, 01:29 PM

As far as I know, there is a break for TRC but there haven't been anymore announcements after that.
xxxHolic's next chapter will be on the 24th.

@ioryogi
Wouldn't that be a turn of events. :'3

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Well, at least BCW gave the explanation as to why he trapped the couples. Now, it's Kurogane's and Fay's turn to act!

Plaumff-chan

08-11-2009, 04:34 PM

He looks absolutely insane in this chapter. And progressively getting so.
But what the hell! How can FWR go about granting his own wishes while paying the prices to them with other people?! Seriously, has he never had to pay the price to any of his wishes?
I'm wondering if his even sure anymore that his wish can be granted, since he says:
"With the princess' power, I'll bring forth a dimension in which the witch exists! It should exist, somewhere!"
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/227/05/
It's an interesting turn though, that both Syaoran's and both Sakura's got trapped in the tube, since I think he was just going for the princess and real Syaoran...I wonder if that'll somehow twist his plan...

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 05:23 PM

I think he's trying to rip his way to the his believed afterlife. Although, how he would accomplish that by sealing the Sakuras and Syaorans in the tube, I have no idea.

And I just loooove the way he said he'd kill both Sakuras and Syaorans after his wish was granted.

@Plaumff-chan I think he paid the prices by stealing those souls which helped Yuuko find his location.

Vande

08-11-2009, 05:25 PM

Rather disappointed in the new chapter, CLAMP just seem to be stretching it out now.

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 05:26 PM

I agree, the suspense is getting to be a bit too much ne?

Plaumff-chan

08-11-2009, 06:34 PM

Gah, it is...at least, the stress of having their misery prolonged is becoming much. But, we already knew that something like this was going to happen as M!Sakura had seen it in a dream and that's why the parents/clones decided to wear the exact same clothes as Sakura and Syaoran:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/224/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/224/11/
>_> suspense...

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 06:42 PM

Yes, but I'm not sure M!Sakura and F!Syaoran planned ahead of this considering their facial expressions.

And I also don't think they planned on R!Syaoran and R!Sakura coming with them into the tube.

Ren-san

08-11-2009, 06:49 PM

I agree that Mother Sakura and Father Syaoran didn't plan this far ahead when they talked about what was going to happen in the future. Father Syaoran and Mother Sakura knew that something like this was going to happen because of the fact that they were able to retain their memories from when they were still the clones, but any event after that is going to be new to them.

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 07:04 PM

All I'm hoping for at this point is that Clow or Yuuko had some master plan. I mean, because you would think Yuuko wouldn't leave them without some kind of hope. And I'm sure Clow would've known his crazy Butt Chin descendant would be obsessed with surpassing him in terms of magical power. Right?

Also I have a theory as to what dimensions the Clones were born into when they were reincarnated. I don't know if anyone has stated this already, so if you did just tell me and I'll delete it:

What if C!Syaoran was born as the son of CCS!Syaoran and CCS!Sakura. That would immediately explain as to why he was suddenly a Li and a direct descendant of Clow Reed. Although it wouldn't explain why C!Sakura also had a brother named Touya who was with Yukito...but it would explain C!Syaoran's background in his reincarnated life.

ggctuk

08-11-2009, 07:44 PM

When's the next chapter due? How long's the break?

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 07:49 PM

Hopefully it's only a week. Although, I'm beginning to think that CLAMP just loves to keep us waiting.

ceruleanthought

08-11-2009, 09:25 PM

Hello!
I'm new to these forums. But I'm confused about this series. Can someone explain to me? So Clone Sakura and Syaoran made a wish to be in this capsule thingy until Real Syaoran and Sakura came to the fight with FWR? But Clone Sakura and Syaoran were travelling together, right? Basically from chapter 223 on I'm pretty much lost. =(

RamzaBeoulve

08-11-2009, 09:30 PM

Im up to date on Tsubasa but through the whole series it just got weirder and weirder. I like the characters, but I cant same the same about the story... :(

SakuraKiss18

08-11-2009, 10:39 PM

Welcome ceruleanthought! I'm pretty new too! Anyway, I would love to explain the series to you, but I fear I might confuse you even more! You might try the tsubasa wikia or wikipedia

Ciphony

08-12-2009, 01:45 AM

Tsubasa is so darn confusing.
The more you think about it, the more confusing it is. ):
I just stuck with one idea in my head and try not to think about it too much...

Hard to tell what's going to happen next right now unless they do some huge crossover with xxxHolic.
Then we'd probably be getting the same chapter in two points of view, which would be pretty pointless.

Tsuki

08-12-2009, 09:41 AM

Or simply wait for more new chapters... When I'm confused about something, I understand them better after some new chapters and re-reading the last few ones. ;)

Ryo-Chan

08-12-2009, 10:08 AM

Now, Clamp had not disappointed me with the newest chapter at all, it is as confusing and hard to understand as i thought it would be

CVI

08-12-2009, 11:35 AM

Chapter 227...
Haha, it makes sense...
makes sense.....

NANIIII...????!!!
What the heck "makes sense" mean?!!
Hell, CLAMP, what do you MEAN by putting not only the reals but also the clones to the TUBE??!!!

AAAAARRGHHHHHHHH.......!!!
//fall to depressed//

ioryogi

08-12-2009, 12:24 PM

Nightdragon

08-12-2009, 12:50 PM

i dunno at this point does anyone really know what the heck is going on....

SakuraKiss18

08-12-2009, 01:57 PM

I'm giving up on theories seeing as CLAMP keeps on surprising me. I'll just wait for the next chapter...hopefully it has Butt Chin getting his butt kicked.

Tsuki

08-12-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm a bit anxious about the two couples being put together- what if they merge? Little sakura already had merged with the clone body-so its possible this merging is happening again! Maybe this way the merged sakura and sayoran can develope enough magic to stop buttchin and break free of the tube? :confused:

Well this would be bit interesting... Technically it's okay for the 2 Sakuras to merge, because they the other selves of each other, but the 2 Syaorans are not in the same position, they are related by blood now, they are father and son. I don't think they could merge like that...