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SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 07:31 AM

Okay, to keep everyone up to date on our votes so far, I'll post them here:

1) Cynthia- 6 (Prezzo, SC, Awakened, Psychotic, Sparta, Useless)
2) Galatea- 2 (Prezzy,Tank)
Teresa- 2 (BB, 18fenrir)
3) Miria- 1 (SB)
Flora- 1 (Chez)

This is just the list of characters who have received votes so far; all characters who have appeared in the manga are participants in the Next Top Model Awards.

To remind everyone again of the rules, I've got them below:

1) You can only vote for one character.

2) If you want to change your vote, you have one chance to do so, but none more.

3) You can't pressure others to vote for a certain character. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

4) Regular forum rules will still apply.

4 pages in just a few hours, and now thread XII...we're going too fast here! Well, actually no, I'm quite happy.:eban:

hollywoodlou

11-10-2007, 07:34 AM

Okay, to keep everyone up to date on our votes so far, I'll post them here:

1) Cynthia- 5 (Prezzo, SC, Awakened, Psychotic, Sparta, Useless)
2) Galatea- 2 (Prezzy,Tank)
Teresa- 2 (BB, 18fenrir)
3) Miria- 1 (SB)
Flora- 1 (Chez)

This is just the list of characters who have received votes so far; all characters who have appeared in the manga are participants in the Next Top Model Awards.

To remind everyone again of the rules, I've got them below:

1) You can only vote for one character.

2) If you want to change your vote, you have one chance to do so, but none more.

3) You can't pressure others to vote for a certain character. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

4) Regular forum rules will still apply.

SB, Awakened already said it's 6-SIX votes for Cynthia, NOT 5.

And that the final votes ends Sunday night 12 eastern, correct?

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 07:35 AM

Ack! My bad, sorry, I'm editing it right now.

Votes end Sunday at 11 pm eastern time, 10 pm central, 8 pm pacific, 9 pm mountain time (my time)

psychotic

11-10-2007, 07:36 AM

lol Silent: it's 6 votes for Cynthia. Are you trying to cheat the Cynthia voters?

Awakened

11-10-2007, 07:42 AM

hehe I looked at hollywood's post and it does say 5 votes for Cynthia, but looks like it was corrected. I'm not changing my vote btw.

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 07:43 AM

lol Silent: it's 6 votes for Cynthia. Are you trying to cheat the Cynthia voters?

No no no! >.< I had Useless on there, but I must have forgotten to replace 5 with 6.

You'd know if I was cheating. It was just an error on my part!:lol:

Hynavian

11-10-2007, 07:56 AM

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 08:02 AM

Ok, we need some Claymore plot discussion so that the mods don't jump in on us :)

I was actually bored with the "what is that sound" at the end of Chapter 74 hence I will be moving on to other stuff. I just found an interesting information from Databook 1 and it's something like this:

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My translation:

Case 2: Yoma disguished as warrior
Wearing the specially prepared outfit for warriors, (the Yoma) lured a young boy to it. But the young boy found out that it's a fake after (the Yoma) called itself Claymore. It is unknown as to how the Yoma has come to have a warrior outfit.

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Any thoughts about it anyone?
This is from Volume 1...

I guess the impostor yoma succeeded in killing a Claymore before, I'd guess it happened just before it saw Clare carrying Raki to the village, and decided to use the recently-killed Claymore's body and uniform as a disguise. However, it didn't know that Claymores never really call themselves that, and that's what gave it away.

Hynavian

11-10-2007, 08:11 AM

hollywoodlou

11-10-2007, 08:11 AM

Ok, we need some Claymore plot discussion so that the mods don't jump in on us :)

I was actually bored with the "what is that sound" at the end of Chapter 74 hence I will be moving on to other stuff. I just found an interesting information from Databook 1 and it's something like this:

****
My translation:

Case 2: Yoma disguished as warrior
Wearing the specially prepared outfit for warriors, (the Yoma) lured a young boy to it. But the young boy found out that it's a fake after (the Yoma) called itself Claymore. It is unknown as to how the Yoma has come to have a warrior outfit.

****
Any thoughts about it anyone?

OK, I'm headed to the bar here in Hollywood (it's Friday night, duh!) but before that I'll answer.

Case 2 is a description of the episode or chapter when the idiot Raki was trying to find Clare and he found the yoma who was impersonating Clare.

On the Claymore outfit: because DB1 is written on the viewpoint of the ORG, they could simply be misleading readers on the origins of yomas in particular. Let's say that the oRg and yomas have a 'special relationship", instead of writing "we ORg supplied the material", it could be a hint of that relationship, with the outfit.

supremecommander

11-10-2007, 08:19 AM

Gnight prezzo and bag some chicks for us...and I need to be at the gym tomorrow morning so I'll be heading to bed soon.

Neh, that wasn't what I was trying to drive at. I'll point out some stuff.

1) How did the Yoma get the warrior outfit?
- Links with organisation or murder a Claymore?

2) How did the organisation come to know about this incident and it's super fishy to have this recorded into their databook.

It makes me feel that they (the organisation) had it all planned out and wanted to pit Clare against that Yoma.

prezzo and I have the same angle. There should be a relationship in place or agreement between the ORG and the yomas because how were they able to acquire the outfit? And a yoma like that one murdering a Claymore in the town?

Hardly. We are not talking Awakened beings here but a low level yoma. I'm still sticking to the ORG-yoma connection.

The incident was recorded by a watcher. Remember, Rubel is Clare's watcher and if this dude can find Raphaela in a cave out of nowhere in a thunderstorm, this is nothing to him.

Tomorrow, same time guys.

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 08:26 AM

Neh, that wasn't what I was trying to drive at. I'll point out some stuff.

1) How did the Yoma get the warrior outfit?
- Links with organisation or murder a Claymore?

2) How did the organisation come to know about this incident and it's super fishy to have this recorded into their databook.

It makes me feel that they (the organisation) had it all planned out and wanted to pit Clare against that Yoma.
I think that most of us were aware that the the organization and yoma were related since Extra Scene 4, or even before that. Some may even say that those who run the organization ARE yoma, or at least have yoma blood in them.

I think that maybe the Claymores vs yoma/awakened were something of a Gladiator match for the organization- they are planning out which Claymore goes against which yoma, and if a Claymore begins to act strange, like Helen's big appetite or Deneve's trouble making with other warriors, they dispose of them, and it's done in a way that it seems like it's still a Gladiator match. If they can't get close enough, they have an "eye", like Galatea or Raphaela observe it for them. If warriors go missing, it is assumed by the organization that they are close to awakening, and they send them on a "match" theoretically they can't win.

Okay, I'm going to bed, so I'll leave future votes to Prezzo and Prezzy.

Awakened

11-10-2007, 08:27 AM

Neh, that wasn't what I was trying to drive at. I'll point out some stuff.

1) How did the Yoma get the warrior outfit?
- Links with organisation or murder a Claymore?

2) How did the organisation come to know about this incident and it's super fishy to have this recorded into their databook.

It makes me feel that they (the organisation) had it all planned out and wanted to pit Clare against that Yoma.

I will simplify this. There is a connection between the yomas and the org members. i will give 2 examples: when Ermita was asked by galatea why he was surprised that the Slashers were still alive, he replied : "because that Ab was special".
2) ES4: the yoma knew about the training process and so did org trainer.

These are not coincidences. the uniform origin is not that impt to me because clothes are sometimes PART of their bodies and they simply mold the clothes as part of their camouflage. see the manga and anime: there are certain parts for both of them that show some yomas TEAR their clothes while some just mold in and out of them.

The watcher are everywhere so they were able to record it. In an exampe: how did a watcher find itself on top of a chimney while Teresa were killing the bandits and saving Clare? How they recorded it is a moot point.

Good night as well.

Seaf

11-10-2007, 08:32 AM

well, it could be a control thing

you see.. Yoma as we know it, are supposed to be Evil. But if you think about it, they Kinda have a need to feed, what makes them unstable,

now this is my WHAT IF

What if, there was "SOMETHING" that all the Yoma come from, like a "seed" type thing (what they give the claymores what is put in there chest), and the Org are running out of them, so they Have started to Experiment making a new Version of Claymores, (Clare, Claries)

the idea was to make Yoma, a thing Stronger then men, to go out and Kill People, and then Send Claymore out to Kill them and get money,

but the Org is slowly Losing control and getting more Desperate to make more Claymores,

now and another "what if".. in the Manga, what if Ricky is turned in to a claymore be Easly of the north, like the Yomas own Clamore

psychotic

11-10-2007, 08:32 AM

that's it for me as well but I'll answer prezzy's question.

i don't think it was murder that got the uniform. we are talking about an average yoma. even the lowest # 47 could defeat the yoma as shown by a weak Clare back then, so I dont think it was murder. probably either GIVEN or stolen from the org. It is possible, you know.

how was the incident written and recorded? the watchers are everywhere and like the above comment: if Rubel can find Raph in a cave in a thunderstorm, this is a piece of cake for Rubel.

good night Claymore fans. Until tomorrow

Hynavian

11-10-2007, 08:34 AM

OK, I'm headed to the bar here in Hollywood (it's Friday night, duh!) but before that I'll answer.

Goodnight! Have fun!
Hollywood sure sounds like a fun place to party.

Gnight prezzo and bag some chicks for us...and I need to be at the gym tomorrow morning so I'll be heading to bed soon.

Goodnight to you too.

Okay, I'm going to bed, so I'll leave future votes to Prezzo and Prezzy.

Ok, and to you too.

So Awakened and I will be the only ones to be on duty? :lol:
Geezz....different time region I guess.

The watcher are everywhere so they were able to record it. In an exampe: how did a watcher find itself on top of a chimney while Teresa were killing the bandits and saving Clare? How they recorded it is a moot point.

Good night as well.

Oh ya, I was fascinated by Orsay's ability to climb up a chimney and to spy on Teresa. Maybe Rubel is hiding behind some trees and spying on Clare too as Clare did not report about Raki to Rubel. It was Rubel who brought up the topic first.

Are you going to bed too? Oh no, I'm left to guard the forum solo :(

EDIT:

good night Claymore fans. Until tomorrow

Same to you, goodnight.

*******************

EDIT:

you see.. Yoma as we know it, are supposed to be Evil. But if you think about it, they Kinda have a need to feed, what makes them unstable,

What do you mean that the Yomas are unstable? So you eat more and then they will evolve into awakened beings? :lol:

Seaf

11-10-2007, 09:13 AM

What do you mean that the Yomas are unstable? So you eat more and then they will evolve into awakened beings? :lol:

nope, as in there not a Full Yoma, like we are to think, but like Less then Claire, that is Why there weaker than Normal claymores, but the awakened beings are full ones,

and i was on about there state of mind to, as in that they can't get away from there need to feed, if they could.. i don't think that they would be like that......

MacenKrace

11-10-2007, 11:57 AM

Seaf

11-10-2007, 12:18 PM

nope, as in there not a Full Yoma, like we are to think, but like Less then Claire, that is Why there weaker than Normal claymores, but the awakened beings are full ones,

and i was on about there state of mind to, as in that they can't get away from there need to feed, if they could.. i don't think that they would be like that......

Can you speak proper english? I didn't understood a thing from what you said.

i will give it a go... :eek:

.. lets put it this way..... (just my impression of the events)

a Yoma, (those weak things) is not a full Yoma, in my eyes, that is the impression i get

what they are, is a Beast that need to feed...... and that's it.

they are less then a Claymore, because a Claymore Has more Yoma then they have...

now the awakened beings are the full Yomas

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that a little easyer????

18fenrir

11-10-2007, 02:12 PM

Hmm.. well, on the topic of that yoma that impersonated a Claymore, it is not weird that all this time we have seen male normal yoma? That was the one and only female yoma. (do correct me if i'm wrong)

Of course they can impersonate anyone by taking the flesh and skin of its victims but just curious in general that yoma are mostly males. (when they transform into their monstrous form it's a male figure anyway.)

Hynavian

11-10-2007, 03:16 PM

nope, as in there not a Full Yoma, like we are to think, but like Less then Claire, that is Why there weaker than Normal claymores, but the awakened beings are full ones,

and i was on about there state of mind to, as in that they can't get away from there need to feed, if they could.. i don't think that they would be like that......

i will give it a go... :eek:

.. lets put it this way..... (just my impression of the events)

a Yoma, (those weak things) is not a full Yoma, in my eyes, that is the impression i get

what they are, is a Beast that need to feed...... and that's it.

they are less then a Claymore, because a Claymore Has more Yoma then they have...

now the awakened beings are the full Yomas

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that a little easyer????

I'm sorry, I really tried real hard. I really tried real hard since this afternoon.... >.<

Seaf

11-10-2007, 04:07 PM

anyway back on topic

here is a idea..

what if the Yoma Took it from a Dead Claymore.. there Easy to find, just look got the Big sword as a gravestone

Hynavian

11-10-2007, 04:28 PM

anyway back on topic

here is a idea..

what if the Yoma Took it from a Dead Claymore.. there Easy to find, just look got the Big sword as a gravestone

Ah ok I think I understand this one.

You mean the Yoma stole the warrior's Claymore from a dead warrior's tomb? Ah that Yoma is real mean. It's no good to steal from the dead.

Did I get what you're trying to say right?

Seaf

11-10-2007, 04:40 PM

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 04:46 PM

Ah ok I think I understand this one.

You mean the Yoma stole the warrior's Claymore from a dead warrior's tomb? Ah that Yoma is real mean. It's no good to steal from the dead.

Did I get what you're trying to say right?

:eek:now... i can die i in a happy place... i was under stud!
This yoma has been sliced to tiny bits for the crime of grave robbing. Justice has been served:eban:

So, if that were the case, how did it get a uniform that looks fresh and clean? If it took the uniform from the same dead Claymore, it'd probably be dirty and torn.

Either that yoma was brave enough (or stupid enough) to steal one from the organization, or the org gave it a uniform. Either way, the org was involved somehow, as they always have been, most likely.

Tank

11-10-2007, 06:24 PM

Imo the org doesn't wants to get rid of the troublessome warriors. Instead they actually want to get them stronger. I mean why would they send a regular Yoma to kill Clare when they could simply target her to an AB? and why would they want to give them a team in the first place. They could just lie send her alone and no one would ever get know about it. (Ofcourse they would have to use an "eye" to make sure the targeted was dead and it had to be very very loyal to see her comrades butched like cows... Nothing that Galatea could do imo.)

However if you keep sending the troublessome in their teams againts stronger opponenets some of them eventually will be able to beat them and evolve.

I don't think Clare would have ever reached her actual state if it wasn't for the org trials or gladiators match's as they were called back on the thread.

Anyway my point is that yes the org has links to yoma and AB's hoever they use them not to eliminate the troublessome but to find out who are the strongest (yes i know that they can create strong claymores by themselfes with regular training but it doesnt means its the only way to do it.

Oh and everyone else noticed how calm the "handlers" travel freely trough the wilds (atleast as fast as Claymore) without having to worry about Yoma and such? And how the guy in the last trial of Clare seemed very clam as the trainees were being massacrated? He wasn't even scared the Yoma would target him.

Anyway it's just what i think sry if it's to long.
Feel free to critize and i'm sure its has ways to be.

Oh and this thread moves fast as hell... everytime i come here i ned to read atleast 15 pages >.<

Tank

11-10-2007, 06:39 PM

SilentBuddhist

11-10-2007, 09:21 PM

3rd time (and last time i will try) that i have to write this..

Imo the org uses yomas and stronger AB's to make their claymores evolve by putting them trough challenges they wouldn't normaly face. They would have very simpler ways to kill them.

Oh and i agree that "handlers" have some sort of power (not yoki based) since they aren't afarid of travelling in the wilds at all

oh and this thread sure moves fast

P.S. finnaly it worked
I've had problems getting to OM before, but the computer I'm using is old, and if I refresh the page a few times it usually works.

By simpler ways to kill them do you mean that they send someone like Raphaela or Galatea to find and kill them, or even simpler than that? If a Claymore is causing some sort of trouble in the organization, they usually send that Claymore and a few other trouble-makers on a suicide mission, like they did with Clare, Miria, Helen and Deneve. If a Claymore goes missing, the org sends an "eye" like Galatea or Raphaela to find them and possibly kill them. As far as I know, that's as simple as it gets for the organization.

The handlers are a little bit like managers, I guess, since they keep track of all sorts of information, keep their Claymores in line, in a sense, and they always have information to give to their Claymores about the enemy, even if it tends to be not entirely true. Going into the wilderness is part of their job, and since at least one (Rubel) has been around since Teresa's time, they must be quite used to it. What surprises me even more is that they never seem to run into any sort of trouble while traveling. Who or what they are is anyone's guess right now.

Tank

11-10-2007, 09:45 PM

The handlers are a little bit like managers, I guess, since they keep track of all sorts of information, keep their Claymores in line, in a sense, and they always have information to give to their Claymores about the enemy, even if it tends to be not entirely true. Going into the wilderness is part of their job, and since at least one (Rubel) has been around since Teresa's time, they must be quite used to it. What surprises me even more is that they never seem to run into any sort of trouble while traveling. Who or what they are is anyone's guess right now.

An extra charapter following one or a flashback during the regular mangas explaining this matter a little would be welcome imo. It would also add some more interesting stuff to the manga in general if these non yoki users were able to stand up to yoka and make it more interesting ^^
Ofc they can just have special claymores to carry them all around the world but that wouldnt be so interesting :p

Tomm-E

11-11-2007, 08:33 AM

Is it just me or is all the main powers in the world evil...The Org, the Abyssals & Priscilla?
Its like they all have some dark hidden agenda.

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 09:06 AM

I was taking snapshots of an awakened Priscilla for my banners and that was when I realise something. Hence, just some gentle reminders to all.

Do take extra caution when using an awakened Priscilla in banners as she has a distinctive body feature and OM forum is a PG 13 Forum. You guys get what I mean ya
:lol:

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 10:19 AM

Awww damn its a different person this week XD

devilswing

11-11-2007, 11:24 AM

woot when will be the next episode come out and hope it will be 2 chapter for a week

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 12:33 PM

woot when will be the next episode come out and hope it will be 2 chapter for a week

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 01:17 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

My sentiments exactly......

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 01:24 PM

BB, I think our idols are going to lose te sexiest Claymore award as Cynthia is winning by a landslide.

:eek:

If I did not remember wrongly, the voting is going to end soon.

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 01:27 PM

I know :( how could Teresa lose? damnit tis mid boggling :/

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 01:36 PM

Ah...it's all Prezzo's doings. Prezzo! Please convince me to why Cynthia is sexy!!! Well...she is cute but not sexy enough.

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 01:47 PM

Exactly she shouldn't be winning :( Galatea and Teresa are far sexier >.>

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 01:49 PM

BB, who in your opinion is the sexiest male character in Claymore?

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 01:53 PM

There isn't relaly any smexy guys in it tbh :/

Tomm-E

11-11-2007, 02:01 PM

Isley...Even his awakened for is pretty cool Sag.

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 02:02 PM

I think Rigardo is sexy.

Hmm then why is Teresa sexy? Since the others are not here yet lets start up something.

Tomm-E

11-11-2007, 02:05 PM

Teresa...She was strong yet kind, I didn't like the bit where she was willing to give her body to the bandits that was kind of a turn off (if we think she has a normal body)

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 02:10 PM

Every part of her appearance and the way she acted was smexy and cool why do you find Galatea smexy?

Killsquad1

11-11-2007, 02:22 PM

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 02:24 PM

Actually I voted for Galatea because she's my idol and I admired her character (the way she treats her friends and that I like it that she fights for what she believes in). But I can bring up some points to show that she's sexy after thinking for some time.

1. Sexy Hair

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Claymore/SexyHair.png

2. Sexy Pose

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Claymore/SexyPose.png

3. Sexy Moves

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Claymore/SexyMoves.png

Tomm-E

11-11-2007, 02:29 PM

I liked Mira...She was intelligent and a great leader...and is quite pretty but forehead is abit big +

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 02:33 PM

this topic is kinda . . . off . . . but ummm as far as the uniform goes she had to of gotten it from murder a claymore. My reasoning is that if a claymore got near the organization the current "eye" would of dispatched it asap and its not unheard of for a yoma to kill a claymore. ALSO! important! you dont know how long she has had the uniform! for all you know she could of gotten it from kill the previous previous previous weakest claymore.

Also where can i find a lot of the discussion for claymore? is this it?

If you bother to read our past few threads, you would have noticed that we have discussed all topics so thoroughly that we got so bored. But since you have provided us something, let's have fun with it :)

Ok, after reading your post, what is your stand again? Your stand is that she murdered a Claymore? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

1. We did brought up that there might be some collaboration between the organisation and the Yomas as we clearly see the Yoma clearing all the trainees for the organisation in extra scene 4. Hence, it could be that the organisation just handed that Yoma the uniform.

2. True, you can say that the Yoma killed some weak Claymore through underhand means and hence, got its hand on the uniform. We even went to the extent to discuss that the Yoma went to dug some grave (idea from Seaf) and even got the Claymore.

3. Ruling out thievery is a fair one as I don't believe that a Yoma of any level will dare challenge the organisation in such a direct way. It's like heading to the gullotine.

4. Other possibilites include the Yoma taking up knitting or stealing the warrior uniform from a warrior when she is taking a bath etc.

Any more to add on Killsquad1?

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 03:14 PM

Noes its already time to change?

Hynavian

11-11-2007, 04:44 PM

Noes its already time to change?

It has already passed 12am here for me hence I changed it :) Just go according to your time zone.

beakedbard

11-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Meh i'll change back to nel soon then ^^

SilentBuddhist

11-11-2007, 04:58 PM

I'll be changing my av once I go to bed...but I'm having problems uploading it from my computer...

Okay, the votes will end 12 hours from now, so keep that in mind everyone.

If I can find a way to get my av on here, I keep it that way for the rest of the week. If not, I'll switch back over to Pyramid Head:eban:

I can't imagine a yoma taking up knitting, but it'd be hilarious if that really happened:lol:

psychotic

11-11-2007, 05:12 PM

Killsquad1

11-11-2007, 05:37 PM

If you want to be involved in more inteligent discussions, come back tonight in 10 hours and most of the hard core Claymore posters will be on site.

thats kinda of mean :( but it made me feel better that you spelled intelligent wrong lol.

but i did read the past few pages on this thread and you cant really rule anything out as you dont really know what actually happened. If you remember correctly that claymore actually almost killed clare. If the yoma was more intelligent it would of pierced her heart instead of her stomach which is a good reason to believe that the yoma did kill a claymore to obtain the outfit.

edit: also when i said you cant rule anything out that included a claymore sneaking into the ORG and stealing a suit, its just such a low low possibility that you would consider it impossible.

psychotic

11-11-2007, 05:55 PM

Well, while we're on the topic of grammar and sentence structure:

Originally Posted by Killsquad1 View Post
this topic is kinda . . . off . . . but ummm as far as the uniform goes she had to of gotten it from murder a claymore. My reasoning is that if a claymore got near the organization the current "eye" would of dispatched it asap and its not unheard of for a yoma to kill a claymore. ALSO! important! you dont know how long she has had the uniform! for all you know she could of gotten it from kill the [/B]previous previous previous [/B]weakest claymore.

"would of dispatched"....."previous, previous, previous"? I repeat, come back 10 hours later.

but i did read the past few pages on this thread and you cant really rule anything out as you dont really know what actually happened. If you remember correctly that claymore actually almost killed clare. If the yoma was more intelligent it would of pierced her heart instead of her stomach which is a good reason to believe that the yoma did kill a claymore to obtain the outfit.

And what did I just point out? I didn't say with concrete evidence that your argument is moot. I pointed out that the origin of the uniform came from an actual incident involving Clare, and that the yoma involved could only kill a Claymore if it she was weaker than that particular yoma. At that time, Clare was still struggling and she's # 47, dead last. If she was # 33, you'd think the yoma would have a slight chance?

Tank

11-11-2007, 06:27 PM

If you remember correctly that claymore actually almost killed clare. If the yoma was more intelligent it would of pierced her heart instead of her stomach which is a good reason to believe that the yoma did kill a claymore to obtain the outfit.

The only reason why the yoma actually got to hit Clare was because she wanted him to do so. That way she was sure that the Yoma wouldn't be able to run away (and maybe to help Raki?) because as she later stated he had high chances of escaping.

I don't think any yoma has a chance of actually defeating a Claymore in 1on1 no matter how strong they are. Imo its more logicall to assume that the yoma either:
1º killed a trainee
2º killed a failure
3º got the suit from the org

So sry if i disagree that the yoma ever killed a Claymore and number 1 and 2 would be hard to happen

Killsquad1

11-11-2007, 06:34 PM

Well, while we're on the topic of grammar and sentence structure:

"would of dispatched"....."previous, previous, previous"? I repeat, come back 10 hours later.

And what did I just point out? I didn't say with concrete evidence that your argument is moot. I pointed out that the origin of the uniform came from an actual incident involving Clare, and that the yoma involved could only kill a Claymore if it she was weaker than that particular yoma. At that time, Clare was still struggling and she's # 47, dead last. If she was # 33, you'd think the yoma would have a slight chance?

first off get off my case im not here for a flame war :D second off no one is talking about grammar its called spelling.

as for the uniform coming from an actual incident involving clare, i dont really understand that seeing as the yoma had the uniform before clare showed up (or at least before they met).

also as for a yoma only being able to kill a claymore if it was stronger than that claymore is kinda off seeing as clare states that if she didnt lure the yoma to attack her and thus trapping her in close range the yoma would of escaped. Doesnt this imply that the yoma was in fact stronger then clare? also as i had state if the yoma was smarter it could of pierced her heart instead of her stomach and then she would of killed clare regardless of being stronger or weaker, but then there wouldnt be much to the manga after that.

if you wana discuss this more please dont repost with a smartass response i really dont want a flame war.

Killsquad1

11-11-2007, 06:48 PM

The only reason why the yoma actually got to hit Clare was because she wanted him to do so. That way she was sure that the Yoma wouldn't be able to run away (and maybe to help Raki?) because as she later stated he had high chances of escaping.

I don't think any yoma has a chance of actually defeating a Claymore in 1on1 no matter how strong they are. Imo its more logicall to assume that the yoma either:
1º killed a trainee
2º killed a failure
3º got the suit from the org

So sry if i disagree that the yoma ever killed a Claymore and number 1 and 2 would be hard to happen

Yes its true that the yoma only got a hit on clare because clare planned it that way but it was still a solid hit. Had the yoma gotten her in a better spot and hit more organs she would of died. I believe that rufual (her watcher cant spell his name) points this out to clare. So it is possible clare could of been killed by that yoma even if the yoma was weaker then her.

also as far as your #1 i would say it would be a good idea but i agree its highly unlikely and as far as your #2 it was made to look like any of the failures were killed in the final combat (except the 1 trainee but we dont know what happened to her).

And i wana state it now that i do believe that the ORG and yoma have a connection but i dont think its the give and take kinda relationship such as giving a yoma an outfit. i believe it is more of a past relationship such as the ORG created the yoma or something of the sort or the author could seriously make them demons and the ORG just wants to kill them and use them (ie in their training and their bodies to make more claymores) because yoma destroyed their town a long long time ago.

SilentBuddhist

11-11-2007, 07:33 PM

Yes its true that the yoma only got a hit on clare because clare planned it that way but it was still a solid hit. Had the yoma gotten her in a better spot and hit more organs she would of died. I believe that rufual (her watcher cant spell his name) points this out to clare. So it is possible clare could of been killed by that yoma even if the yoma was weaker then her.
It's spelled Rubel, but whatever. Anyways, you make it sound like that a stomach wound wouldn't be enough to kill a Claymore, and in this situation, you are correct, but keep in mind that a stomach wound is still fatal enough to kill even higher ranked warriors like Deneve, #15. The abdomen is still a fatal spot to get hit in, as it holds a good amount of blood. The yoma still put in a well-placed hit. You don't have to get a lot of your organs hit to die, as there are lots of ways die, and a lot of us know what most of them are. A stomach wound can be as bad as getting stabbed in the heart; it slowly killed Jean, and it nearly killed Deneve.
also as far as your #1 i would say it would be a good idea but i agree its highly unlikely and as far as your #2 it was made to look like any of the failures were killed in the final combat (except the 1 trainee but we dont know what happened to her).

And i wana state it now that i do believe that the ORG and yoma have a connection but i dont think its the give and take kinda relationship such as giving a yoma an outfit. i believe it is more of a past relationship such as the ORG created the yoma or something of the sort or the author could seriously make them demons and the ORG just wants to kill them and use them (ie in their training and their bodies to make more claymores) because yoma destroyed their town a long long time ago.
We're still discussing (kind of) how the org is related to yoma, and how that yoma got its hands on a uniform. It either stole one by whatever means Prezzy (Hynavian) mentioned before, or the org gave it one. If I'm reading your post right, I think you may be saying that the org created yoma, but then the author decided to have it so that yoma were full-fledged demons that the org just decided that they wanted to kill. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BTW, I don't think Psycho's trying to start a flame war, he's just trying to correct some of the flaws that may be within your theories.

Max Gigolo

11-12-2007, 01:18 AM

Yes its true that the yoma only got a hit on clare because clare planned it that way but it was still a solid hit. Had the yoma gotten her in a better spot and hit more organs she would of died. I believe that rufual (her watcher cant spell his name) points this out to clare. So it is possible clare could of been killed by that yoma even if the yoma was weaker then her.

also as far as your #1 i would say it would be a good idea but i agree its highly unlikely and as far as your #2 it was made to look like any of the failures were killed in the final combat (except the 1 trainee but we dont know what happened to her).

And i wana state it now that i do believe that the ORG and yoma have a connection but i dont think its the give and take kinda relationship such as giving a yoma an outfit. i believe it is more of a past relationship such as the ORG created the yoma or something of the sort or the author could seriously make them demons and the ORG just wants to kill them and use them (ie in their training and their bodies to make more claymores) because yoma destroyed their town a long long time ago.

Hi, brand new to Claymore and pleased to meet you all.

it is possible anytime that during that situation with Clare that she could've been killed, However I can also point out that we are are talking about a special # 47 that was involved here and not some Clarice. If it was some oother Claymore, say # 46, the chances are greater, but I must say, it all depends on the quality of both the yoma and Claymore.

Tank's #1 and # 2 are good choices and aren't something to scoff at either. I pointed out Clarice before who's a failure and it showed she couldn't handle at first, her duties. Trainees in the last extra scene couldn't handle yomas of that qlty either. 2 examples that support Tank's argument.

I am one of the number of people who also think, in contrast to some, that the relationship between yoma and the org are still existent. the extra scene just amplifies it with the trainer's statement's and that yomas actions with the trainees. MAX.

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 02:45 AM

Hi, brand new to Claymore and pleased to meet you all.

it is possible anytime that during that situation with Clare that she could've been killed, However I can also point out that we are are talking about a special # 47 that was involved here and not some Clarice. If it was some oother Claymore, say # 46, the chances are greater, but I must say, it all depends on the quality of both the yoma and Claymore.

Tank's #1 and # 2 are good choices and aren't something to scoff at either. I pointed out Clarice before who's a failure and it showed she couldn't handle at first, her duties. Trainees in the last extra scene couldn't handle yomas of that qlty either. 2 examples that support Tank's argument.

I am one of the number of people who also think, in contrast to some, that the relationship between yoma and the org are still existent. the extra scene just amplifies it with the trainer's statement's and that yomas actions with the trainees. MAX.
Welcome to the forums Max Gigolo.

Thanks for supporting this situation, as you are correct; Clare could have been killed when the yoma pierced her stomach, but she is special (with Teresa's blood and all), and had it been anyone within the high 40's it may have meant the death of a Claymore.

Another point you brought up is what Tank said earlier, that the yoma may not have stolen the uniform, but rather killed to take it, and considering yoma are strong enough to kill failures and trainees at the least it is a possibility.

A lot of us here definitely believe in a connection with the org and the yoma, and ES 4 clarified that belief when we read through it. You are not alone here in this belief.

Well, it looks like the votes are now over...and our Top Model Award goes to...Cynthia!

This is Prezzo's fault:lol:

Well, anyways, here's the voting results:

1st Place: Cynthia (6 votes)
2nd Place: Galatea, Teresa (2 votes each)
3rd Place: Miria, Flora (1 vote each)

Okay, well, all the winners really get is the Top Model Award Holder, which is virtually nothing but the majority's personal opinions, but congrats to Cynthia anyways.

Max Gigolo

11-12-2007, 04:13 AM

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 04:23 AM

ah...this thread has sure progressed during my absence...well congrats to Cynthia whoever that is...(is she the one still alive? I get her and that other girl confused)

well, this is going to sound like something out of bleach or something, but whatever; since a human becomes stronger then both humans and yoma by mixing their flesh with a yoma's, then would the reverse be true? Like if a yoma inserted the flesh of another human or even another claymore? Sounds interesting....

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 04:24 AM

It was I who voted for Miria!:eban:

You're welcome:)

It couldn't be helped, the past hours on the forums were SLOW, so no new people could have voted in time.

TZ Cynthia is the girl who was on Veronica's team in Volume 9 and 10 (you have been reading the manga right?:lol:). Her hair is tied in two long pigtails. She's #14 and she is a survivor.

Your theory on if yoma took on human flesh and blood into their bodies is what the yoma have been doing since they've existed(they eat it!). It's okay, you've been gone for awhile so I'll let it slide.:thumbup:

hollywoodlou

11-12-2007, 04:31 AM

Welcome to the forums Max Gigolo.

Well, it looks like the votes are now over...and our Top Model Award goes to...Cynthia!

This is Prezzo's fault:lol:

Well, anyways, here's the voting results:

1st Place: Cynthia (6 votes)
2nd Place: Galatea, Teresa (2 votes each)
3rd Place: Miria, Flora (1 vote each)

Okay, well, all the winners really get is the Top Model Award Holder, which is virtually nothing but the majority's personal opinions, but congrats to Cynthia anyways.

Of course it's my fault. I'm the prezzo. All hail Cynthia!! :eban:

Thanks Silent B. Clare is a special Claymore and I don't think the other board members saw that (I'm sorry if I missed anyone who did). It also came down to how special the yoma was and because the yoma was able to camouflage itself using the uniform, I believe that it would have been reaaaaalllllyyyyy difficult to contain the star of this series, Clare.
The uniform might have been stolen, given but it doesn't matter: it all comes down to the yoma, who looks in this particular episode really average looking.

I had the same conclusion as well, brother. Read my previous posts. That episode was recorded as an example not of the ability or origin of the uniform but think about this: the ORG did NOT MENTION Clare but used her as an example. The oRg KNEW about what potential Clare is capable of achieving. Their "experiment" is working.

It was I who voted for Miria!

Still a good choice. Miria will have her day, in the future but Cynthia rules the week.

I'm changing my sig and av just before midnight. Is that Priscilla in your av, SB?

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 04:34 AM

I think Rigardo is sexy.

Hmm then why is Teresa sexy? Since the others are not here yet lets start up something.

haha soooo true - the ONLY male character in the whole series I ever liked....

1. Sexy Hair

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Claymore/SexyHair.png

2. Sexy Pose

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/Claymore/SexyPose.png

I love her hair too! (but is she wearing spandex in the second picture?!? that's.....odd...)

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 04:38 AM

Your theory on if yoma took on human flesh and blood into their bodies is what the yoma have been doing since they've existed(they eat it!). It's okay, you've been gone for awhile so I'll let it slide.:thumbup:

uhhh...i'm sure most people who read my post would assume that I didn't mean eating their flesh so I didn't think it was necessary to clarify that...cause I'm pretty sure humans don't eat the flesh of yoma's to become claymores....that wouldn't be very healthy....or logical...

Awakened

11-12-2007, 04:38 AM

Thanks Silent B. Clare is a special Claymore and I don't think the other board members saw that (I'm sorry if I missed anyone who did). It also came down to how special the yoma was and because the yoma was able to camouflage itself using the uniform, I believe that it would have been reaaaaalllllyyyyy difficult to contain the star of this series, Clare.
The uniform might have been stolen, given but it doesn't matter: it all comes down to the yoma, who looks in this particular episode really average looking.

I am sorry about missing the fun that guys had in the past pages about the voting but if it's any consolation, I would have voted for Miria.
Congratulations Cynthia. I also think Tabitha and Cynthia are cute, so good choice anyways. MAX.

Same conclusion. Murdering a Claymore sounds good on the outside, but as hollywood said, in this special episode or chapter or example that the org used in the databook, Clare might have been injured but it doesn't necc mean she was going to be killed by this yoma. the yoma looks idiotic to me (and made Raki stupid as well), and cant blame the yoma for using this tactic to fool Clare.

Aaaah, my vote counts! Cynthia rocks. LOL.

I'll change my signs later, people, its still Sunday.

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 04:39 AM

Of course it's my fault. I'm the prezzo. All hail Cynthia!! :eban:
Damn, dirty Prezzo >.< Just kidding dude.
I had the same conclusion as well, brother. Read my previous posts. That episode was recorded as an example not of the ability or origin of the uniform but think about this: the ORG did NOT MENTION Clare but used her as an example. The oRg KNEW about what potential Clare is capable of achieving. Their "experiment" is working.

Still a good choice. Miria will have her day, in the future but Cynthia rules the week.

I'm changing my sig and av just before midnight. Is that Priscilla in your av, SB?
Miria is the queen! I shall stay by her side forever--!!!:D

It is Priscilla, I got the picture from Nakenashi Wisdom, then edited it and scaled it down on Paint Shop Pro. If you ask me, it's a masterpiece:eban: It's still early, but I had problems uploading it, so I'll just leave it like this for the rest of the week, until we move on to something else.

I can't think of how else a yoma would get human flesh and blood in their bodies other than eating it. It's safe to assume that creating a Claymore is a fairly complicated process, or at least, it's too complicated for an ordinary yoma to figure out.

Awakened

11-12-2007, 04:57 AM

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 05:02 AM

Not "ate" but interwoven into their flesh and I never said what they would become so that's the question...but if they were to become a new species like a claymore and since when claymores awaken they become full yoma (I think), then if one of these awakened if that was possible (which its not, but this is a discussion thread so I can say whatevs ^-^)

psychotic

11-12-2007, 07:45 AM

Cynthia wins? cool. i'm still laughing hard that Cynthia of all people could beat Teresa and Galatea. Prezzo did it again. LOL

TZ, that's a weird question. yoma's who mix up human flesh with their's? i have no clue why they would do that. they already use human flesh as decoy in getting their prey (humans) and i thought the human flesh is already part of their biology. hope i got your question right.

Priscilla week!

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 08:35 AM

Yoma's are part human?!? I thought they were a different species entirely.....they simply change their appearance to look like a human (though im not quite sure how they do that)

Killsquad1

11-12-2007, 09:52 AM

Yoma's are part human?!? I thought they were a different species entirely.....they simply change their appearance to look like a human (though im not quite sure how they do that)

thats true they only change their appearance and they are suppose to be demons it doesnt state if they were once humans or not or if they are even part human.

also if you think of how it states so firmly that once you awaken and become a full yoma that there is no coming back so it would be assumed that an already full yoma wouldnt be able to become a human, or at least thats what im sticking to.

another thing i noticed is that Teresa was all about reading yoma energy and thats what made her special. where Clare is all about awakening her body to defeat yoma. How exactly are they related? Clare is no where near the level of reading yoma that the ORG's "eye" is nor is she anywhere near the level of Teresa. IMO shes weaker then a normal claymore in every area except her yoma sensing abilities which are only slightly better. I come to this conclusion from the fact that EVERYONE who has ever fought her has said that her fighting style is so sloppy and so full of wasted movements.

Here is a question, Can the maximum level of a claymore's yoma energy be raised? Say 1% = 1 and 100% = 100 could a claymore make it so 1% is 3 and 100% is 300 from training or what not?

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 10:31 AM

According to my inspection, clare should be as strong as the organizations number 2 at least...if she could beat an awakened number 4 and a MALE awakened number 2 then she must be stronger then a 2, but not as strong as a 1 (because Alicia would kick her @$$...)

Hynavian

11-12-2007, 11:10 AM

Same conclusion. Murdering a Claymore sounds good on the outside, but as hollywood said, in this special episode or chapter or example that the org used in the databook, Clare might have been injured but it doesn't necc mean she was going to be killed by this yoma. the yoma looks idiotic to me (and made Raki stupid as well), and cant blame the yoma for using this tactic to fool Clare.

Aaaah, my vote counts! Cynthia rocks. LOL.

I'll change my signs later, people, its still Sunday.

You have been influenced too much by Prezzo till he has blurred your definition of "sexy-ness", you'll be joining his "Hate Raki" fanclub next I tell ya.....oh wait....you're already in it
:eban:

Damn, dirty Prezzo >.< Just kidding dude.

Miria is the queen! I shall stay by her side forever--!!!:D

Prezzo, did it again!
I'll always gve Galatea the moral support too :thumbup:

another thing i noticed is that Teresa was all about reading yoma energy and thats what made her special. where Clare is all about awakening her body to defeat yoma. How exactly are they related? Clare is no where near the level of reading yoma that the ORG's "eye" is nor is she anywhere near the level of Teresa. IMO shes weaker then a normal claymore in every area except her yoma sensing abilities which are only slightly better. I come to this conclusion from the fact that EVERYONE who has ever fought her has said that her fighting style is so sloppy and so full of wasted movements.

I do not agree with your view that Clare is "weaker than a normal Claymore in every area except for her Yoma sensing abilities which are onlyt slightly better."

Firstly, you have underestimated Clare's abilities. Ophelia did mention that Clare's fighting style is sloopy with many wasted movements but does not mean that she's a totaly push over in terms of attacking power. Irene's Flash Sword attack is an offnesive skill that could cut many other Claymores into bits and pieces. Throw some Claymores like Yuma, Tabitha, Cynthia (lol :lol: sexy babe) into the way and they're gone for good. Hence, opposing your above statement.

Secondly, for your another point on "Clare is no where near the level of reading yoma that the ORG's "eye" is nor is she anywhere near the level of Teresa", I want to bring up another case example to prove it wrong too. Remember the part from the slashers arc where Clare sensed Galatea's presence but is unsure of it? Clare got it right that they (Miria and gang) were being spyed on but were just unsure of herself. Being able to sense Galatea from such a distance (even for a tiny second) does shows her potential as she was not trained to be an eye but managed to achieve a near result.

Coming to Teresa, we're all sure that Teresa could read Yoki to the most minute detail but we're unsure whether Teresa could read Yoki from a distance. We have only seen Teresa in a few chapters and it would be unfair to say that Clare totally lost out to Teresa in Yoki reading as we did not see Teresa controlling her Yoki or reading Yoki from a far distance (Both of which Clare had done so).

Here is a question, Can the maximum level of a claymore's yoma energy be raised? Say 1% = 1 and 100% = 100 could a claymore make it so 1% is 3 and 100% is 300 from training or what not?

Hmm I think I get what you mean. Maybe we can bring in the case of Galatea. Her rate of Yoki release is the highest among all 47 claymores (not the Rachel+Audrey generation). And maybe her Yoki powers work in that way, little release but much better effect as compared to another Claymore (let's say Ophelia) when they release their Yoki at the same time, same rate.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 11:18 AM

*sigh* if I could have voted I would have definatly voted for Galatea (just wondering but how exactly do you pronounce her name?) Oh and like my earlier post, Clare should be quite strong and should have a yoki sensing level of a B at least. Maybe her sensing Galatea was just luck because she lost the sense right afterwards....she is definatly above average, I just dont know if her having Teresa's flesh has anything to do with it....

btw- what is your time zone hynavian because I'm nocturnal (or I am currently for the past 3 days) normal people would be asleep by now >.> I am wide awake at 3 in the morning doing my science hw, reading hana kimi, and typing this post as we speak....*bleh* this cannot be good for me...

pigpie

11-12-2007, 11:29 AM

The fact that Claymores don't call themselves Claymore is weird,Miria called herself and her gang Claymores,maybe only Clare thinks that way and it so happens that Raki was "lucky"that he met a fake claymore who called itself a claymore.I think the yoma could be a failed experiment of the org,a warrior with a super weak heart and thus it got taken completely over by a yoma,or maybe like what silent buddhist said it was taken from a recently deceased claymore.It could even be that the Yoma sew the clothes itself.(Jkz)

Did you guys visit the new forum,they also have a claymore thread,I went to visit and i have to say it isn't interesting at all compared to this thread.

Excel-Kleinwald

11-12-2007, 11:32 AM

Hmm... if there were no yoma in the first place there would be no need for an organization right?

Oh and that is the OLD forums silly.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 11:33 AM

I dont ever remember a yoma in a claymore outfit - was this the anime or manga? if manga then what ch. again? (sorry bad memory)

well it is current 3:33 a.m. and my body can't take it anymore so this is my final post of the night before I keel over and die....

coldflame

11-12-2007, 12:38 PM

Hello there... I'm new here

err about the yoma in (manga Chp3, anime ep1) wearing the claymore uniform... acquiring it by killing a warrior has a high chance tho the problem is that the possibilities of the armor/suit itself being torn is high.. so in order to acquire it nice and clean is to kill a warrior by damaging the head part (cut off or pierce or whatsoever that is grim), now that decreases the possibility of it being acquired through killing a warrior... unless the yoma knows how to knitt lol

I also agree about that the organization is somewhat related to the existence of the yomas but not in the way of giv and take for as we speak that yoma are being hunted by warriors so mostlikely (just my guess) they were failed products of the organization itself during the time before having those male warriors... for we can see that Rubel and the other watchers are not 100% human... probably yomas are even created by them through experiments before but due to it being a failure they have to hide the fact that they were the reason of its(yoma) existence by making warriors(claymores) which are half human half yoma to exterminate them ...

I also support this by the fact that the org itself hunt down(most likely send to a suicide mission) warriors who tries to unfold the secrets of the organization (like Miria, also Galatea in some view)

also the power of the regions had been divided (Isley North and currently also south, Riful of west... and the Org itself is only east) where in (my opinion) that the organization has no control of the abyssal ones and the other ABs

the later part I'm trying to give my opinion about the relationship of the yoma and the org

also I cast my vote on Miria tho im late hehe

18fenrir

11-12-2007, 01:08 PM

Coming to Teresa, we're all sure that Teresa could read Yoki to the most minute detail but we're unsure whether Teresa could read Yoki from a distance. We have only seen Teresa in a few chapters and it would be unfair to say that Clare totally lost out to Teresa in Yoki reading as we did not see Teresa controlling her Yoki or reading Yoki from a far distance (Both of which Clare had done so).

Hmm..? Didn't Teresa find Rafaela out in the wild despite the nearest town being "oh so far away" in that one scene about Raphaela? Back when Teresa was a young mischevious one of course ^^ so cute~

Hynavian

11-12-2007, 02:01 PM

btw- what is your time zone hynavian because I'm nocturnal (or I am currently for the past 3 days) normal people would be asleep by now >.> I am wide awake at 3 in the morning doing my science hw, reading hana kimi, and typing this post as we speak....*bleh* this cannot be good for me...

I'm living on the other side of the globe, I think +8,9 or 10GMT (Your pick). Hence, it's lonely when I'm on duty as the gang is offline. Well, BB drops in now and then to entertain me with his jokes at times though :thumbup: Nice guy BB is.

beakedbard

11-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Argh change time Priscilla ish soo meh i'll prolly end up forgetting but time to change :(

pigpie

11-12-2007, 04:36 PM

The chances of a Yoma being able to kill a Claymore is very low,so low it is close to zero.So the costume must be picked up by luck or something.The costume also didn't have any symbol.

It is weird to say Teresa has the best Yoki reading ability when Galatea outshines her in this,or maybe I am wrong.

Teresa is able to sense every single flow of yoki coming from a yoma or claymore but she doesn't know how to synchronise her yoki with theirs,and she has a lot of yoki energy that hers is ablve Priscilla when Priscilla was becoming purple which is like 80 percent while Teresa was only 10 percent released.Whereas Galatea can sense Yoki from a distance even able to tell the emotions of the person she is reading,plus she can manipulate the yoki as well.So maybe I am wrong about Teresa not being the best in yoki reading ability but she definitrly loses in the fact that she doesn't use her abilities to the fullest potential,which is giving me the idea that maybe when Teresa awakens she will just kill the enemys by manipulating them or her Yoki will BOOM them.

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 04:53 PM

The chances of a Yoma being able to kill a Claymore is very low,so low it is close to zero.So the costume must be picked up by luck or something.The costume also didn't have any symbol.
Good catch. I just looked at the uniform the yoma had and there ISN'T a symbol on there. That yoma doesn't even have a sword.
It is weird to say Teresa has the best Yoki reading ability when Galatea outshines her in this,or maybe I am wrong.

Teresa is able to sense every single flow of yoki coming from a yoma or claymore but she doesn't know how to synchronise her yoki with theirs,and she has a lot of yoki energy that hers is ablve Priscilla when Priscilla was becoming purple which is like 80 percent while Teresa was only 10 percent released.Whereas Galatea can sense Yoki from a distance even able to tell the emotions of the person she is reading,plus she can manipulate the yoki as well.So maybe I am wrong about Teresa not being the best in yoki reading ability but she definitrly loses in the fact that she doesn't use her abilities to the fullest potential,which is giving me the idea that maybe when Teresa awakens she will just kill the enemys by manipulating them or her Yoki will BOOM them.
Actually, I think they may have been on equal terms. Teresa had the yoki reading that let her see her opponents' moves, while Galatea has the yoki sensing/manipulation.

An awakened Teresa...would mean...apocalypse? With all that yoki in her body, it would be extremely difficult-if not impossible-for her to revert back to normal. She certainly lacked the ability of yoki manipulation, but if she had it she most likely would have reverted Priscilla back to normal.

Max Gigolo

11-12-2007, 07:09 PM

Good catch. I just looked at the uniform the yoma had and there ISN'T a symbol on there. That yoma doesn't even have a sword.

Actually, I think they may have been on equal terms. Teresa had the yoki reading that let her see her opponents' moves, while Galatea has the yoki sensing/manipulation.

An awakened Teresa...would mean...apocalypse? With all that yoki in her body, it would be extremely difficult-if not impossible-for her to revert back to normal. She certainly lacked the ability of yoki manipulation, but if she had it she most likely would have reverted Priscilla back to normal.

The yoma didn't have a sword nor a symbol because most of the time they usually "molt" their outlayer as part of their physical form. Some yomas rip out of their shell, some use clothes only as a cover.

The more reason to ridicule Raki for not even seeing that.

Teresa is able to sense every single flow of yoki coming from a yoma or claymore but she doesn't know how to synchronise her yoki with theirs,and she has a lot of yoki energy that hers is ablve Priscilla when Priscilla was becoming purple which is like 80 percent while Teresa was only 10 percent released.Whereas Galatea can sense Yoki from a distance even able to tell the emotions of the person she is reading,plus she can manipulate the yoki as well.So maybe I am wrong about Teresa not being the best in yoki reading ability but she definitrly loses in the fact that she doesn't use her abilities to the fullest potential,which is giving me the idea that maybe when Teresa awakens she will just kill the enemys by manipulating them or her Yoki will BOOM them.

I disagree with your asessment. Your argument that just because Teresa doesn't use her entire and whole potential is a negative rather than a positve rings false. Teresa doesn't need to release her entire yoki.

It's scary enough at ((less than?) 25%.

Galatea uses her yoki and manipulating abilities to full scale which is great, but has it's drawbacks (see Duff's full blast counter-action vs Galatea) and her long range sensing abilities hasn't been proven is close quarter fighting. She prefers to use her manipulating abilities in close quarter fighting but her yoki sensing abilities only can be used for yomas and Claymores who don't have or know how to lower their yoki.
MAX.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-12-2007, 08:44 PM

An awakened Teresa...would mean...apocalypse? With all that yoki in her body, it would be extremely difficult-if not impossible-for her to revert back to normal. She certainly lacked the ability of yoki manipulation, but if she had it she most likely would have reverted Priscilla back to normal.

if you think about this LOGICALLY - teresa 10% > prissy 80% and since prissy is the strongest awakened being of them all...due to the 1:8 ratio and awakened Teresa would be equivilant to.....over 800% of prissy

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 08:54 PM

if you think about this LOGICALLY - teresa 10% > prissy 80% and since prissy is the strongest awakened being of them all...due to the 1:8 ratio and awakened Teresa would be equivilant to.....over 800% of prissy
That's why I said it might mean Apocalypse if she awakened. An awakened Teresa would clearly be stronger than an awakened Priscilla. We don't know how she would fight or anything like that, but logic states that an awakened Teresa would slaughter an awakened Priscilla.

Which comes to this question: how do you think Teresa got such high quality blood? Did she get it from a really strong yet ordinary yoma, or possibly an awakened. She didn't get that blood from an Abyssal, there are only three Abyssals, and one of them is dead. My guess is that she got that blood from an Awakened.

MacenKrace

11-12-2007, 09:08 PM

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 09:16 PM

Claymores evolve their powers from their personalities. I believe Teressa was just better than others or just lucky.
Is that saying that calmer Claymores tend to have higher power, as they can control their yoki more easily? It would certainly fit some of the Claymores; Miria is calm and collective, and her teamwork surpasses #1. Galatea is also calm, yet her power is highest of all 47 Claymores when fully released. The list goes on for awhile...

Tank

11-12-2007, 10:48 PM

Is that saying that calmer Claymores tend to have higher power, as they can control their yoki more easily? It would certainly fit some of the Claymores; Miria is calm and collective, and her teamwork surpasses #1. Galatea is also calm, yet her power is highest of all 47 Claymores when fully released. The list goes on for awhile...

Imo not only calm Claymores tend to reach higher powers (but yes i see the pattern)
However Claymores like Miata, Ophelia and even Prisccilla were also quite strong.. Claymores with huge traumas seem to be also stronger than normal (and waaaay more unstable too)

SilentBuddhist

11-12-2007, 10:57 PM

Imo not only calm Claymores tend to reach higher powers (but yes i see the pattern)
However Claymores like Miata, Ophelia and even Prisccilla were also quite strong.. Claymores with huge traumas seem to be also stronger than normal (and waaaay more unstable too)
So, while calmer Claymores tend to be quite srtong, and are capable of better yoki control or reading, unstable/crazy Claymores with issues tend to be much stronger than normal as well, but their instability makes it harder for them to control their yoki. That's another good observation.

Max Gigolo

11-12-2007, 11:01 PM

That's why I said it might mean Apocalypse if she awakened. An awakened Teresa would clearly be stronger than an awakened Priscilla. We don't know how she would fight or anything like that, but logic states that an awakened Teresa would slaughter an awakened Priscilla.

Which comes to this question: how do you think Teresa got such high quality blood? Did she get it from a really strong yet ordinary yoma, or possibly an awakened. She didn't get that blood from an Abyssal, there are only three Abyssals, and one of them is dead. My guess is that she got that blood from an Awakened.

Based on the databook 3 info posted on the previous threads yes, Teresa would indeed slaughter Priscilla. Unfortunately, because of Clare's "soft" infouence on Teresa and that cheap move on Priscilla's part, Teresa was cut down.

Teresa didn't get that hi quality blood from any yoma that we know of. Once in a while, a 'special" being comes along that is far ahead of the rest and just like scientific food chain: there are species that are naturally stronger than the rest. It's nature that created Teresa.

Imo not only calm Claymores tend to reach higher powers (but yes i see the pattern)
However Claymores like Miata, Ophelia and even Prisccilla were also quite strong.. Claymores with huge traumas seem to be also stronger than normal (and waaaay more unstable too)

Not necc.: EVERYONE of the Claymores have traumatic experiences from being herded into the ORG campat a very young age to RECEIVING YOMA blood. It wasn't Disneyland.
MAX.

Tank

11-12-2007, 11:26 PM

Not necc.: EVERYONE of the Claymores have traumatic experiences from being herded into the ORG campat a very young age to RECEIVING YOMA blood. It wasn't Disneyland.
MAX.

Well yes absolutely true but, i belive that some claymores had experience way harder than others.. i pointed out those 3 because the way they act and their powers seem to come from traumas larger than the other ones..
ffs priscilla killed a yoma disguised as her father, i've never seen a claymore act as miata and ophelia was a plain psycho..

Awakened

11-12-2007, 11:34 PM

Well yes absolutely true but, i belive that some claymores had experience way harder than others.. i pointed out those 3 because the way they act and their powers seem to come from traumas larger than the other ones..
ffs priscilla killed a yoma disguised as her father, i've never seen a claymore act as miata and ophelia was a plain psycho..

I'd like to weigh in on your post if I may, those 3 are good examples but you should include Deneve when she saw her sister sacrifice herself to a yoma so she could live. Or Clare when she saw her guardian, friend and mother in Teresa get her head cut off by Pris.

Everyone have their own tragic stories to tell, and I don't think it comes down to the degree of tragedy of what happened to them as the basis for their monstrous powers. We don't even know what's Helen's story.

To compare Priscilla's tragedy vs. Clare's tragedy and compare the degree of their tragedies doesn't feel right to me.

hollywoodlou

11-13-2007, 12:23 AM

So, while calmer Claymores tend to be quite srtong, and are capable of better yoki control or reading, unstable/crazy Claymores with issues tend to be much stronger than normal as well, but their instability makes it harder for them to control their yoki. That's another good observation.

Not that I know of. Sure, with the 2 "crazy ones" in Miata and Ophelia, they both have displayed amazing yoki release being both at # 4. Now, I can also argue that just like any asylum dweller who doesn't know the difference between wrong and right, Miata and Ophelia have fit the pattern of incapably CONTROLLING their powers due to their mental instability. That's why you observe both of them going balls out with their yoki.

Claymores evolve their powers from their personalities. I believe Teressa was just better than others or just lucky.

Max Gigolo (that's a great name, buddy) worded it with substance. Teresa is the equivalent of a higher being that comes naturally as the superior animal in the Claymore food chain. Just like lions eat weaker animals, "natural selection" has appointed Teresa to be the top dog on the pyramid.

I doubt there is a conspiracy (again) that she received 'super blood" when every other class have their own # 1's. There are exceptions in every rule and Teresa fits it perfectly.

Priscilla week, baby!

Hynavian

11-13-2007, 02:37 AM

Everyone have their own tragic stories to tell, and I don't think it comes down to the degree of tragedy of what happened to them as the basis for their monstrous powers. We don't even know what's Helen's story.

Yeah I agree with Awakened. Furthermore, I will like to know the "tragic story" of Galatea and Clarice too. I wonder how the both of them end up as Claymores.

Not that I know of. Sure, with the 2 "crazy ones" in Miata and Ophelia, they both have displayed amazing yoki release being both at # 4. Now, I can also argue that just like any asylum dweller who doesn't know the difference between wrong and right, Miata and Ophelia have fit the pattern of incapably CONTROLLING their powers due to their mental instability. That's why you observe both of them going balls out with their yoki.

Once again, my 8th sense tells me that Miata will lose it and will massacre the whole town of Rabona, along with Clarice in it. :lol:

Priscilla week, baby!

What can I say Prezzo.....you have a wicked avatar and banner. :o I won't be feeling hungry any time soon after looking at both of them.

hollywoodlou

11-13-2007, 03:34 AM

Yeah I agree with Awakened. Furthermore, I will like to know the "tragic story" of Galatea and Clarice too. I wonder how the both of them end up as Claymores.

Tank's theory was going well, but he didn't follow through. Awakened just added to the flaws of the theory and shot it down. I do agree that there are other backstories that could be more tragic tenfold than Prissy that we haven't heard about, but we will never hear from them except for the major characters.

Once again, my 8th sense tells me that Miata will lose it and will massacre the whole town of Rabona, along with Clarice in it.

Poor Clarice. Hey wait a minute! Why do you have to involve Clarice? let Miata destroy herself, and leave Clarice alone. She has the most potential to go up in rankings, only if she leaves Miata. Well, on the bright side if Miata goes nuts and awakens, at least Clarice will be independent of that crazy kid.

What can I say Prezzo.....you have a wicked avatar and banner. I won't be feeling hungry any time soon after looking at both of them.

;)

SilentBuddhist

11-13-2007, 04:27 AM

Teresa didn't get that hi quality blood from any yoma that we know of. Once in a while, a 'special" being comes along that is far ahead of the rest and just like scientific food chain: there are species that are naturally stronger than the rest. It's nature that created Teresa.
Max Gigolo (that's a great name, buddy) worded it with substance. Teresa is the equivalent of a higher being that comes naturally as the superior animal in the Claymore food chain. Just like lions eat weaker animals, "natural selection" has appointed Teresa to be the top dog on the pyramid.
Teresa being put in a league in her own through a blessing of nature is believable. Being a Claymore put her near the top of the "food chain". And being the "dominant member" of her kind put her even higher. And like Max Gigolo said, by a whim of nature Teresa became that "special being" that put her in a league of her own, higher than even her own kind. I wish I caught this sooner, but at least you guys corrected me.
I'd like to weigh in on your post if I may, those 3 are good examples but you should include Deneve when she saw her sister sacrifice herself to a yoma so she could live. Or Clare when she saw her guardian, friend and mother in Teresa get her head cut off by Pris.

Everyone have their own tragic stories to tell, and I don't think it comes down to the degree of tragedy of what happened to them as the basis for their monstrous powers. We don't even know what's Helen's story.

To compare Priscilla's tragedy vs. Clare's tragedy and compare the degree of their tragedies doesn't feel right to me.
Deneve herself stated that her tragic story was a common story of how a Claymore came to be. Nevertheless, the impact of those tragedies was different for everyone--look at what it did to Ophelia. With that being the case, it's a little unfair to say that "so-and-so's tragedy was so much worse than this one's tragedy." Your example of Clare and Priscilla are a good example of this; Pris lost her father to a yoma, and Clare lost Teresa, who is equally important to her. There really is no reason to compare them.
Not that I know of. Sure, with the 2 "crazy ones" in Miata and Ophelia, they both have displayed amazing yoki release being both at # 4. Now, I can also argue that just like any asylum dweller who doesn't know the difference between wrong and right, Miata and Ophelia have fit the pattern of incapably CONTROLLING their powers due to their mental instability. That's why you observe both of them going balls out with their yoki.
Maybe I should have worded it differently. Those who lack mental stability and sanity will lack morals as well, so when such a Claymore fights, she's not afraid to torture her opponents, and she usually won't hold back on anything. Because of this, it's not that they CAN'T control their yoki, they JUST DECIDE NOT TO control it. This certainly gives them the edge in battle, but since releasing yoki feels so good for most of them, they eventually decide they'll let it all loose, and they soon awaken.
Priscilla week, baby!
That is one creepy av Prezzo. It's a good creepy, but that tongue is really the only thing I can pay attention to. No, I'm not weird, it just...stands out among the av...Really cool banner though.

Meh, the forums are running slow again, and I've got a lot of stuff happening tomorrow, so I'm going to bed, and I'll try again in about 12 hours. G'night.

hollywoodlou

11-13-2007, 05:13 AM

Teresa being put in a league in her own through a blessing of nature is believable. Being a Claymore put her near the top of the "food chain". And being the "dominant member" of her kind put her even higher. And like Max Gigolo said, by a whim of nature Teresa became that "special being" that put her in a league of her own, higher than even her own kind. I wish I caught this sooner, but at least you guys corrected me.

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No biggie. There is NO EVIDENCE that supports any ridiculous conspiracy that Teresa has been given "magic" yoma blood. It's just part of "natural selection": she was simply chosen by nature to be the top animal of the Claymore kingdom and is indeed, a freak of nature. Nothing complicated.

Maybe I should have worded it differently. Those who lack mental stability and sanity will lack morals as well, so when such a Claymore fights, she's not afraid to torture her opponents, and she usually won't hold back on anything. Because of this, it's not that they CAN'T control their yoki, they JUST DECIDE NOT TO control it. This certainly gives them the edge in battle, but since releasing yoki feels so good for most of them, they eventually decide they'll let it all loose, and they soon awaken.

With your post, you just amplified our assessment as well. It's more of an IMPULSE for the #4's rather than CALCULATED ATTACKS from any average Claymore. The #4's don't know (maybe a little) about what's right or wrong about releading their yoki's but they KNOW NOT the consequence. Look at Miata go head on vs Galatea...she has no clue she is NEARING HER LIMITS.

All she knows is "get Galatea's head" and "attack, attack, attack". That's it.

What can I say Prezzo.....you have a wicked avatar and banner. I won't be feeling hungry any time soon after looking at both of them.

That is one creepy av Prezzo. It's a good creepy, but that tongue is really the only thing I can pay attention to. No, I'm not weird, it just...stands out among the av...Really cool banner though.

Thanks. The avatar was when PRIS licked Clare's blood from her horn in episode 25. That tongue is giving you "ideas'?;)

Max Gigolo

11-13-2007, 04:39 PM

Now that some people mentioned it, your avatar sure is erotic, Hollywood. XD
Yeah, I remember now, that is Priscilla in episode 25.

Anyways, going back, Teresa is just above at least, 3 generations of Claymores. Even if Priscilla was able to mature, surpassing Teresa will be difficult given that she couldn't read Teresa's abilities, plus Teresa's experience was far and above too complex even for Priscilla to comprehend. Besides, Priscilla had to revert to a deplorable move of faking emotions just to get Teresa close and pounced on her. I remember someone here saying that Clare was the reason why Teresa softened up, and that is true. The Claymore who has been called "monster" more than 2x should've dispatched her without remorse.

SilentBuddhist

11-13-2007, 08:02 PM

Thanks. The avatar was when PRIS licked Clare's blood from her horn in episode 25. That tongue is giving you "ideas'?;)
I know where it comes from, I've seen the entire season. Quiz me and I can prove it to you:eban:

I can't decide if they way she licks off Clare's blood with that tongue is erotic, or with it being so long is strange. So for now, I'll say it's erotic AND strange. Like those Silent Hill nurses;)

Irene said it best: In the end, Clare was the reason Priscilla managed to kill Teresa. The time she had spent with Clare weakened her resolve to fight. Teresa had the best opportunities to kill Priscilla, but being with Clare gave Teresa mercy, which is why she spared Priscilla. She was physically strong enough to be the best, but her heart took that strength away.

Sorry if I sound like I'm just adding on to Max Gigolo's statement.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-14-2007, 12:42 AM

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 01:10 AM

The org seems a little desperate for warriors - there should at least be an age limit to be turned into a Claymore...like the same age as smoking or driving so as to not have anybody (like priscella) awaken due to immaturity....a sanity test would help too (ophelia, miata,)
Right now, and even before Clarice's time, the org didn't care who they made a Claymore--as long as they had the potential to be a warrior, they don't care how old or sane the Claymore is. If I remember correctly, they took Alicia/Beth away from their parents, and have been teaching them nothing but putting their yoki in synch with each other, and fighting, ever since they were really young children. Priscilla became #2 in a few months time, but her child-like perception of the world, where everything is either good or bad, white or black, with no room for anything in the gray, or in between, ultimately helped her awaken. For the organization, anyone with potential can--and will--join them.

Awakened

11-14-2007, 01:57 AM

The org seems a little desperate for warriors - there should at least be an age limit to be turned into a Claymore...like the same age as smoking or driving so as to not have anybody (like priscella) awaken due to immaturity....a sanity test would help too (ophelia, miata,)

So FINALLY THE FORUMS ARE WORKING?
For the past 3 days, buying a Ferrari seems easier than simply logging on to this site.

I don't think there's any desperation to adding to the ranks of the trainees. As long as there are yomas around, killing adults and parents leaving orphan children around, the supply of adolescent humans will be non-stop. However, quality is different from quantity and finding the next Teresa or Galatea is like hitting a bull-eye at a dartboard.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-14-2007, 02:02 AM

Finding the next Teresa is more like hitting a bullseye from 200 yards away with mind bullets....it cannot be done

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 02:12 AM

So FINALLY THE FORUMS ARE WORKING?
For the past 3 days, buying a Ferrari seems easier than simply logging on to this site.

I don't think there's any desperation to adding to the ranks of the trainees. As long as there are yomas around, killing adults and parents leaving orphan children around, the supply of adolescent humans will be non-stop. However, quality is different from quantity and finding the next Teresa or Galatea is like hitting a bull-eye at a dartboard.
I've tried the old forums (and even went to the trouble of bookmarking them), but they're virtually empty, and there isn't a topic there we haven't covered. Thank God these forums are running again. Thank you, new system administrator, Tommy.

While the number of people who could make a potential nominee hasn't declined, the quality of yoma has clearly dropped. Like a new-yet-poorly adapting litter of farm animals (in the eyes of the org), the next generation has yoma that are even less significant than last generation's. And like Max Gigolo and Prezzo said before, Teresa was a miracle of nature. You can't really blame Clarice for being a "failure" and the majority of the next generation of Claymores for being terrible--the next generations batch of yoma simply sucks.

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 02:29 AM

With your post, you just amplified our assessment as well. It's more of an IMPULSE for the #4's rather than CALCULATED ATTACKS from any average Claymore. The #4's don't know (maybe a little) about what's right or wrong about releading their yoki's but they KNOW NOT the consequence. Look at Miata go head on vs Galatea...she has no clue she is NEARING HER LIMITS.

All she knows is "get Galatea's head" and "attack, attack, attack". That's it.

Yeah that's the reason why my 8th sense tells me that she will awaken. And I'm hoping Clarice gets killed along the way even though she has the highest potential out of all the Claymores. Oh the better will be where both of them awaken and they will become a happy family! :lol:

Thanks. The avatar was when PRIS licked Clare's blood from her horn in episode 25. That tongue is giving you "ideas'?;)

Nope, I'm more troubled by your zoom in banner where Pris is holding onto some meat stuff and munching onto it :eek:

So FINALLY THE FORUMS ARE WORKING?
For the past 3 days, buying a Ferrari seems easier than simply logging on to this site.

I was like....I'm almost there, almost there, almost there....and then I got the error page. But all is working well now thanks to Tommy.

I can't decide if they way she licks off Clare's blood with that tongue is erotic, or with it being so long is strange. So for now, I'll say it's erotic AND strange. Like those Silent Hill nurses;)

You play Silent Hill too? Have you watched the movie? I'm planning to get the dvds on SIilent Hill the movie. I was stucked in Silen Hill 1 (the game) and I was scared to death while playing the game cause everywhere is so misty. Geez....how did your character even get to meet a nurse in-game? All I met were walking monsters and flying monsters.

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 02:46 AM

I was like....I'm almost there, almost there, almost there....and then I got the error page. But all is working well now thanks to Tommy.
God bless Tommy. We can post on the forums like normal again thanks to him. It saves us the trouble of going to the old forums, which are virtually empty.
You play Silent Hill too? Have you watched the movie? I'm planning to get the dvds on SIilent Hill the movie. I was stucked in Silen Hill 1 (the game) and I was scared to death while playing the game cause everywhere is so misty. Geez....how did your character even get to meet a nurse in-game? All I met were walking monsters and flying monsters.
Yaaaaay, Silent Hill fans--!!:lol:

I've seen the movie, and I thought is was pretty good, as far as game-based movies go. CGI effects were great. I don't have the first game, as they no longer produce and distribute it, but I have the second one, which has deprived me of my sleep since I bought it, and I've played through the third one. They're both scary as hell in their own way. I cant wait for the fifth one to release next year. Ahh...it's good to be a gamer:thumbup:

If the first one is scaring you, try Silent Hill 2. It's not exactly a sequel, but it looks great for its time, and Pyramid Head (you may remember him, as I had him as my av when I first joined OM) isn't a pansy like he was in the movie. As for the nurses, they'll show up in the hospital, and they'll come at you with lead pipes lol. It's actually pretty scary, since the rooms are cramped up and dark. If Silent Hill 1 scared you, Silent Hill 2 may scare you more;)

Oops, this is a manga discussion, not a survival horror game discussion. Okay, where were we...?:lol:

If Miata awakens, it'll be a lesser repeat of Priscilla's awakening. I can't explain how it will happen, but if it does, I'm sure more than a few people will die, and Clarice would get caught up in it. She either dies only to try and serve a role like Sophia's or Noel's, or she will survive but might be badly injured, like Irene.

hollywoodlou

11-14-2007, 03:36 AM

So FINALLY THE FORUMS ARE WORKING?
For the past 3 days, buying a Ferrari seems easier than simply logging on to this site.

I've tried the old forums (and even went to the trouble of bookmarking them), but they're virtually empty, and there isn't a topic there we haven't covered. Thank God these forums are running again. Thank you, new system administrator, Tommy.

I was like....I'm almost there, almost there, almost there....and then I got the error page. But all is working well now thanks to Tommy.

Awakened was correct. Logging on to 1MANGA for the past 5 days was a combination of frustration, patience and just being plain pissed off. I had a better chance at winning the lottery than logging on.:lol:

Nope, I'm more troubled by your zoom in banner where Pris is holding onto some meat stuff and munching onto it

I know where it comes from, I've seen the entire season. Quiz me and I can prove it to you

I can't decide if they way she licks off Clare's blood with that tongue is erotic, or with it being so long is strange. So for now, I'll say it's erotic AND strange. Like those Silent Hill nurses

I believe ya, SB, don't need to go nerd and quiz ya. Believe it or not, I haven't seen 1 episode of it since episode 26. Probably watch it all over again around Christmas.

It's the reverse, the av shows Priscilla in her evil glory while the banner shows her in noobish embarassing situation. YUMMY! lol

While the number of people who could make a potential nominee hasn't declined, the quality of yoma has clearly dropped. Like a new-yet-poorly adapting litter of farm animals (in the eyes of the org), the next generation has yoma that are even less significant than last generation's. And like Max Gigolo and Prezzo said before, Teresa was a miracle of nature. You can't really blame Clarice for being a "failure" and the majority of the next generation of Claymores for being terrible--the next generations batch of yoma simply sucks.

hmmm. The quality of yoma hasn't changed for me either, but there's a lot of them though. Just like cockroaches, you kill 1, 10 of them sprout from nowhere. And the more they kill, the more supply of trainees and orphans head to the ORG.

If Miata awakens, it'll be a lesser repeat of Priscilla's awakening. I can't explain how it will happen, but if it does, I'm sure more than a few people will die, and Clarice would get caught up in it. She either dies only to try and serve a role like Sophia's or Noel's, or she will survive but might be badly injured, like Irene.

of course some humans will die in the awakening process. IF Miata awakens, Clarice will be independent and she'll rise up the ranks normally. OR she'll act as Duff is to Riful, like a companion but that's just extreme speculation on my part.

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 03:57 AM

I believe ya, SB, don't need to go nerd and quiz ya. Believe it or not, I haven't seen 1 episode of it since episode 26. Probably watch it all over again around Christmas.
Sorry. I just live in a neighborhood that wouldn't believe you unless you had the utmost flawless proof you were telling the truth. It's can be sort of annoying; it makes sense, but it can be a nuisance. Actually, I haven't watched the anime in a bit either, but that's mostly because most of it is still fresh in my head. I'll probably get back to watching it after Thanksgiving.
It's the reverse, the av shows Priscilla in her evil glory while the banner shows her in noobish embarassing situation. YUMMY! lol
lol Prezzo, and you were questioning me if I was getting ideas from your banner and av.
hmmm. The quality of yoma hasn't changed for me either, but there's a lot of them though. Just like cockroaches, you kill 1, 10 of them sprout from nowhere. And the more they kill, the more supply of trainees and orphans head to the ORG.
I always felt that yoma in the next generation were just weaker than they were last generation. Their numbers haven't decreased, but I always thought that they seemed a little weaker in this generation. But maybe it's the opposite effect of Teresa becoming a Claymore, and nature simply decided to make most of the Claymores we've seen terrible compared to the generations before them. Looking back at Max Gigolo's post makes me believe that as well.
of course some humans will die in the awakening process. IF Miata awakens, Clarice will be independent and she'll rise up the ranks normally. OR she'll act as Duff is to Riful, like a companion but that's just extreme speculation on my part.
I don't doubt that a few humans will get killed if Miata awakens, but I'm more curious to what would happen to more significant characters, like Clarice and Galatea. If Clarice is the Irene or the Sophia/Noel actor in this lesser repeat of an awakening Pris (Miata), would that make Galatea play the role of Teresa...?

hollywoodlou

11-14-2007, 04:18 AM

Sorry. I just live in a neighborhood that wouldn't believe you unless you had the utmost flawless proof you were telling the truth. It's can be sort of annoying; it makes sense, but it can be a nuisance. Actually, I haven't watched the anime in a bit either, but that's mostly because most of it is still fresh in my head. I'll probably get back to watching it after Thanksgiving.

lol Prezzo, and you were questioning me if I was getting ideas from your banner and av.

Are u calling me a liar?

I always felt that yoma in the next generation were just weaker than they were last generation. Their numbers haven't decreased, but I always thought that they seemed a little weaker in this generation. But maybe it's the opposite effect of Teresa becoming a Claymore, and nature simply decided to make most of the Claymores we've seen terrible compared to the generations before them. Looking back at Max Gigolo's post makes me believe that as well.

Not neccesarily so. Just because you witnessed Rachel and Audrey's sorry performance doesn't mean the entire group should be dragged into a ridiculous blanket statement. Miata belongs to this new gen and we haven't seen the peak of their performances. There are still others listed that haven't shown up yet so we cannot be callous about our statements on the new gen.

I don't doubt that a few humans will get killed if Miata awakens, but I'm more curious to what would happen to more significant characters, like Clarice and Galatea. If Clarice is the Irene or the Sophia/Noel actor in this lesser repeat of an awakening Pris (Miata), would that make Galatea play the role of Teresa...?

Comparing or placing the role of Galatea to Teresa is like comparing a toilet to a throne. Aside from humans dying in the aftermath, Clarice will do her best to stop it but it will be futile.

Max Gigolo

11-14-2007, 04:28 AM

I always felt that yoma in the next generation were just weaker than they were last generation. Their numbers haven't decreased, but I always thought that they seemed a little weaker in this generation. But maybe it's the opposite effect of Teresa becoming a Claymore, and nature simply decided to make most of the Claymores we've seen terrible compared to the generations before them. Looking back at Max Gigolo's post makes me believe that as well.

I've been noticing that you've been riding on my arguments. My point on natural selection works on Teresa because she is simply, without even any speculation, a freak of nature'. The now generation of Claymores are simply in a class of their own. Whether they suck or not, you cannot simply rely solely on natural selection' as the only argument.
Maybe you haven't realized that maybe more training' is what the doctor ordered?
MAX

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 04:46 AM

Not neccesarily so. Just because you witnessed Rachel and Audrey's sorry performance doesn't mean the entire group should be dragged into a ridiculous blanket statement. Miata belongs to this new gen and we haven't seen the peak of their performances. There are still others listed that haven't shown up yet so we cannot be callous about our statements on the new gen.
I did mention "most of the Claymores we've seen." I'm aware that Miata is an exception to this rule, and we haven't even seen half of this generation's Claymore, but I'm saying my impression so far isn't a positive one. As new Claymores come along in the story my impression may (and probably will) change.
I've been noticing that you've been riding on my arguments. My point on natural selection works on Teresa because she is simply, without even any speculation, a freak of nature'. The now generation of Claymores are simply in a class of their own. Whether they suck or not, you cannot simply rely solely on natural selection' as the only argument.
Maybe you haven't realized that maybe more training' is what the doctor ordered?
I noticed that too, and I'm trying not to let it happen. I'll be going back and reading the manga again, to see what I'm missing, and hopefully get back on track here.

Awakened

11-14-2007, 05:08 AM

I did mention "most of the Claymores we've seen." I'm aware that Miata is an exception to this rule, and we haven't even seen half of this generation's Claymore, but I'm saying my impression so far isn't a positive one. As new Claymores come along in the story my impression may (and probably will) change.

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I disagree with you Silent. The present generation may look like a bunch of soft Claymores but there are others on that list that need to come out and show their true fighting form. Just because we are all spoiled on the first generation of Teresa and Irene etc, doesn't mean we have to overlook the new girls. Your impression may be negative, but that is rather arrogant to think so.

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 07:42 AM

I've seen the movie, and I thought is was pretty good, as far as game-based movies go. CGI effects were great. I don't have the first game, as they no longer produce and distribute it, but I have the second one, which has deprived me of my sleep since I bought it, and I've played through the third one. They're both scary as hell in their own way. I cant wait for the fifth one to release next year. Ahh...it's good to be a gamer:thumbup:

The 5th game? I'm still stuck with the first Silent Hill PS game as I always run out of bullets somewhere and will die next. Any idea whether the dvd for the movie is out yet? I'm more interested in the plot since I never got to the end of the game. I was wondering why the whole town is that spooky and what really happened? Are those monsters humans previously? Geez....maybe I should PM you about it.

Comparing or placing the role of Galatea to Teresa is like comparing a toilet to a throne. Aside from humans dying in the aftermath, Clarice will do her best to stop it but it will be futile.

:mad:

So Galatea is the toilet....PREZZO!

I don't doubt that a few humans will get killed if Miata awakens, but I'm more curious to what would happen to more significant characters, like Clarice and Galatea. If Clarice is the Irene or the Sophia/Noel actor in this lesser repeat of an awakening Pris (Miata), would that make Galatea play the role of Teresa...?

No no no. No repetition of roles as I believe that Galatea will run away safely (you seeing a Galata fan here). On 2nd thought, maybe one of those normal human kids cross the path of an awakened Miata and Galatea tries to be a heroine and dies in the process....Noooooooo :(

nhy390

11-14-2007, 08:48 AM

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 02:43 PM

I agree, I dont think that the next generation is as weak as

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

Once again, my 8th sense failed me.

emotionalct

11-14-2007, 02:44 PM

nhy390

11-14-2007, 02:51 PM

Hey emotionalct, and welcome to the forum. I think the release date is around the 3rd of each month. The reason for the gap in updates was due to a switch-over from one publisher to another (If I understood right). So should be monthly again now.

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 03:09 PM

First let me introduce myself. I accidentally stumbled upon claymore about a month agao and have since watched the anime series and read the manga 2-3 times fully through. And i gotta say i really enjoy it. What naruto and bleach lack in an adult story line that dosen't contain mountians of plot holes. Claymore seems to make up for.

I had a question that i can't seem to find an answer for. When does the manga update/get released. I noticed that this latest chapter was released after what looks like a few month hiatas. What was the reason for that?

Hi welcome to the forum.
Yeah nhy beat me to answering your question. During the few months hiatas, there are a total of 4 Claymore extra scenes; each released monthly. They can be found on OM's main site.

We can now look forward to monthly Claymore chapters since JUMP SQUARE has started its publishing business :lol:

emotionalct

11-14-2007, 03:14 PM

Hey guys.. Thanks for both of your posts. Looks like i have to wait a whole month for the next installment :(. lol but thats cool. I'll check out the extra scenes though. I appreciate the responses.

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 03:17 PM

The 5th game? I'm still stuck with the first Silent Hill PS game as I always run out of bullets somewhere and will die next. Any idea whether the dvd for the movie is out yet? I'm more interested in the plot since I never got to the end of the game. I was wondering why the whole town is that spooky and what really happened? Are those monsters humans previously? Geez....maybe I should PM you about it.
The movie was made in the U.S by Christopher Gans, and they'll be making a second movie similair to Silent Hill 3 next year I think. I haven't heard anything about it being released in other countries yet, so I look for a place you can download the movie and PM you the site, if that's okay with you. Silent Hill (all the games) has it's monsters represent the fears of the characters, but they aren't always the player's characters delusions...maybe it's best if I PM you on the details of the monsters, as not to waste posting space.
No no no. No repetition of roles as I believe that Galatea will run away safely (you seeing a Galata fan here). On 2nd thought, maybe one of those normal human kids cross the path of an awakened Miata and Galatea tries to be a heroine and dies in the process....Noooooooo :(
I'm hoping that what I said before doesn't happen either. I'm PRAYING that's not what happens. It'd be a waste of reintroducing Galatea, and it would make a lot of us scream bloody murder (myself included).
I agree, I dont think that the next generation is as weak as we think. Bear in mind we have yet to see a lot of them. All we have seen of them so far is one episode in the north and the one where they were attacked by Riful. Lets be fair, the first group in the north was ambush which could have happened to any of the old generation, except for maybe the top 5. Against Riful, they showed arrogance and lack of respect for a foe that was clearly superior. Its not like the claymores of the Theresa generation lacked arrogance and a sense of superiority! Again, any of the old generation would have had their arse handed to them by Riful. So, I think it is a bit early to decide that they are weaker than the old gen. Also, lets not forget that we have gotten to know the old gen much better and have a favorite characters and all that, so we will always put them on a pedestal!
I just said that as new Claymores appear I will probably have a change of heart. I haven't doomed the next generation to a fate of being "the worst generation of all time." We still haven't seen Luna or most of the other Claymores that will most likely appear. I still have room in my heart to be impressed by the new generation, and I have been impressed, by Miata. I haven't given up on the new generation yet.

And welcome to the forums emotionalct. The chapters are being released monthly, as well as starting in JUMP SQUARE. And during the hiatas, the Extra Scenes were put in.

alvinkun

11-14-2007, 03:28 PM

I agree, I dont think that the next generation is as weak as we think. Bear in mind we have yet to see a lot of them. All we have seen of them so far is one episode in the north and the one where they were attacked by Riful. Lets be fair, the first group in the north was ambush which could have happened to any of the old generation, except for maybe the top 5. Against Riful, they showed arrogance and lack of respect for a foe that was clearly superior. Its not like the claymores of the Theresa generation lacked arrogance and a sense of superiority! Again, any of the old generation would have had their arse handed to them by Riful. So, I think it is a bit early to decide that they are weaker than the old gen. Also, lets not forget that we have gotten to know the old gen much better and have a favorite characters and all that, so we will always put them on a pedestal!

I agreed. This claymores are still young and lack the experience to fight against the many yomas and awakened being. They also lack the experience to make use of their special ability. Audrey's gentle sword can be the most powerful ability if harnessed properly. She can practically deflect any opponent's attack whether they are strong or weak (even awakened beings' attack) without using her force, just like taiqi. Miata's six sense is like the improved version of Teresa's unparalleled ability to sense Yoki. Given Miata more experience in controlling her emotions and battling, she can even sense the other 7 claymores' (suppressed Yoki) attacks without even releasing her Yoki. (she can kill normal Yomas with her brute strength alone)

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 04:23 PM

I agreed. This claymores are still young and lack the experience to fight against the many yomas and awakened being. They also lack the experience to make use of their special ability. Audrey's gentle sword can be the most powerful ability if harnessed properly. She can practically deflect any opponent's attack whether they are strong or weak (even awakened beings' attack) without using her force, just like taiqi. Miata's six sense is like the improved version of Teresa's unparalleled ability to sense Yoki. Given Miata more experience in controlling her emotions and battling, she can even sense the other 7 claymores' (suppressed Yoki) attacks without even releasing her Yoki. (she can kill normal Yomas with her brute strength alone)

That's not really nice of you to delete away your previous post. You make my post #122 look like some joke.

Jack-Jack-5

11-14-2007, 04:30 PM

when is the next claymore book comes out

Jack-Jack-5

11-14-2007, 04:31 PM

That's not really nice of you to delete away your previous post. You make my post #122 look like some joke.

who is your favorite claymore

Jack-Jack-5

11-14-2007, 04:32 PM

Who is your favorite claymore

Jack-Jack-5

11-14-2007, 04:33 PM

who is your favorite claymore

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 04:39 PM

who is your favorite claymore

Who is your favorite claymore

who is your favorite claymore

Triple post.

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 04:39 PM

when is the next claymore book comes out

who is your favorite claymore

Who is your favorite claymore

who is your favorite claymore

WHAT?! IS THIS SOME KIND OF PERSONAL NEWBIE TROLL ATTACK?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

Awakened

11-14-2007, 04:42 PM

I disagree with you Silent. The present generation may look like a bunch of soft Claymores but there are others on that list that need to come out and show their true fighting form. Just because we are all spoiled on the first generation of Teresa and Irene etc, doesn't mean we have to overlook the new girls. Your impression may be negative, but that is rather arrogant to think so.

I agree, I dont think that the next generation is as weak as we think. Bear in mind we have yet to see a lot of them. All we have seen of them so far is one episode in the north and the one where they were attacked by Riful. Lets be fair, the first group in the north was ambush which could have happened to any of the old generation, except for maybe the top 5. Against Riful, they showed arrogance and lack of respect for a foe that was clearly superior. Its not like the claymores of the Theresa generation lacked arrogance and a sense of superiority! Again, any of the old generation would have had their arse handed to them by Riful. So, I think it is a bit early to decide that they are weaker than the old gen. Also, lets not forget that we have gotten to know the old gen much better and have a favorite characters and all that, so we will always put them on a pedesTAL.

I agreed. This claymores are still young and lack the experience to fight against the many yomas and awakened being. They also lack the experience to make use of their special ability. Audrey's gentle sword can be the most powerful ability if harnessed properly. She can practically deflect any opponent's attack whether they are strong or weak (even awakened beings' attack) without using her force, just like taiqi. Miata's six sense is like the improved version of Teresa's unparalleled ability to sense Yoki. Given Miata more experience in controlling her emotions and battling, she can even sense the other 7 claymores' (suppressed Yoki) attacks without even releasing her Yoki. (she can kill normal Yomas with her brute strength alone)

You guys (alvinkun, nhy390) sure know how to repeat my point. LOL

question for everyonwe!!!!!!
who is your favorite claymore

Ripley from Aliens.

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 04:43 PM

WHAT?! IS THIS SOME KIND OF PERSONAL NEWBIE TROLL ATTACK?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/HynAvian/EmoAngry1.gif

No kidding. Spam AND Triple post. Do you mean volume or chapter? If it's volume, that depends where you are. If it's chapter, I shall repeat what we've said to many ignorant new people: IT'S MONTHLY.

Hynavian

11-14-2007, 04:49 PM

You guys (alvinkun, nhy390) sure know how to repeat my point. LOL

alvinkun-san repeated it with multiple grammatical mistakes though.
EDIT - PS: He might delete his post again.

No kidding. Spam AND Triple post. Do you mean volume or chapter? If it's volume, that depends where you are. If it's chapter, I shall repeat what we've said to many ignorant new people: IT'S MONTHLY.

You do not need to answer the newbie troll's question cause he got lost while entering the forums and he demanded an answer outwardly. We don't own him a living and we need not account to him.

supremecommander

11-14-2007, 04:50 PM

who is your favorite claymore\

It's either you're mentally incapable of understanding the rules of the board due to your parents being both brother and sister OR being the 14th child to this union, you weren't given much attention when you were a tot, am I right?

Awakened

11-14-2007, 04:56 PM

alvinkun-san repeated it with multiple grammatical mistakes though.
EDIT - PS: He might delete his post again.

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Don't worry, it's on record now.

It's either you're mentally incapable of understanding the rules of the board due to your parents being both brother and sister OR being the 14th child to this union, you weren't given much attention when you were a tot, am I right?

Holy LOL! (that was a major beatdown, thanks for the laugh!)

xellentxecution

11-14-2007, 05:22 PM

Hello!!..Its been a while....busy with goddamn school work.Anyway....

WHO IS YOUR FAVOURITE CLAYMORE!!!...kinda silly question...mine's helen.

I was kinda wondering...where are most of you guys from anyway? US?

Glasgow Celtic

11-14-2007, 10:51 PM

SilentBuddhist

11-14-2007, 11:01 PM

Glasgow Celtic

11-15-2007, 12:32 AM

Welcome to the forums Glascow Celtic. It's great to know there are Claymore fans here to join us (as long as they don't spam, of course, but that's not what you're doing). And you don't need to worry, because you're not that far behind us. Just take your time reading the manga. The forums will really come to life in about 5 hours, so you may be able to read it all then.

Aye. I go to ASU in Arizona, and me classmate showed me this wonderful women on this manga, and I was hooked. Ye think i was looking at porn, but the story is absolutely fantastic. Im supposed to study for me exams but now I feel like finishing book 72 now.
If ye don't know, Claymore is Scottish in origin and we used it to beat back the English. I apologize for the history lesson.

hollywoodlou

11-15-2007, 12:50 AM

alvinkun

11-15-2007, 01:16 AM

That's not really nice of you to delete away your previous post. You make my post #122 look like some joke.
Sorry, I didn't know it will cause you inconvenience.

psychotic

11-15-2007, 03:37 AM

Hey there Glasgow! Anybody start a new topic cause' Im getting bored "debating" these fools in the debate forum.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-15-2007, 03:57 AM

psychotic

11-15-2007, 04:04 AM

same with me - thats why I havnt been posting here in a while....bleh...

soooooo new topic....we discussed practilly EVERYTHING about the new chapter down to the finest detail. Uhhhhh, what is your favorite awakened being form? What do you think clare's full awakened form looks like? (terrible topics but nothing else to say...)

prezzo and prezzy already discussed that in thread # 3, along with Chez, TZ........those are terrible topics to start with

But I'll bite: one of the best but freakiest was the friend of Miria's that awakened (name escapes me) who looked like a mummy. Prezzy liked the butterfly Jean form. Probably the ugliest was the Rosemary insect what have you' form.

Clare's multiple claw form looks ridiculous but hey, she's a shredder.

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 04:08 AM

same with me - thats why I havnt been posting here in a while....bleh...

soooooo new topic....we discussed practilly EVERYTHING about the new chapter down to the finest detail. Uhhhhh, what is your favorite awakened being form? What do you think clare's full awakened form looks like? (terrible topics but nothing else to say...)

yeah...I really hope newbies to this forum didnt ask pointless posts

top 3 qs that drive us crazy

1. Why are there only ** chapters out?
2. Someone hurry and put the new Chapter out!
3. What's a claymore?
Meh. You should have seen the new person who quadruple posted, and most of the posts were: "What's your favorite Claymore," and "When does the next Chapter come out?"

I welcome all new people with open arms, as long as they know SOMETHING about our topic, and don't spam.

Favorite awakened...was...Isley. Least favorite was that six armed awakened. No, it was "Super Pris" in the anime that I hated. It was ridiculous if you ask me.

Jollydevil6

11-15-2007, 04:08 AM

Yeah clare's awakened form reminds me of like a scorpian or something....

about the terrible topics...did you go back and read the old claymore threads just wondering?

Max Gigolo

11-15-2007, 04:14 AM

Tensa Zangetsu

11-15-2007, 04:21 AM

Another newcomer?....ah whatever...welcome....

Hollywoodlou....Hynavian...where are you?!? save this thread from death by boredom

Useless

11-15-2007, 04:26 AM

I'm guessing Clare's awakened form is from the anime?
maybe I should watch that...

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 04:30 AM

Aye. I go to ASU in Arizona, and me classmate showed me this wonderful women on this manga, and I was hooked. Ye think i was looking at porn, but the story is absolutely fantastic. Im supposed to study for me exams but now I feel like finishing book 72 now.
If ye don't know, Claymore is Scottish in origin and we used it to beat back the English. I apologize for the history lesson.
I told this one person about the manga in my class, and the first impression he got was word-for-word "Berserk with boobs". It kind of put me off, but in a sense he was right, since both manga are filled with plenty of action and gore. Anyways, I've devoted myself more to reading it rather than Berserk.

I've heard of the Claymore being made in Scotland, but I'm always forgetting about it, so your post helped me remember that too.

BTW Useless, Clare awakened in both the manga and anime, but the anime made hers and Priscilla's awakening something similar to Super Saiyan.

Glasgow Celtic

11-15-2007, 06:25 AM

I told this one person about the manga in my class, and the first impression he got was word-for-word "Berserk with boobs". It kind of put me off, but in a sense he was right, since both manga are filled with plenty of action and gore. Anyways, I've devoted myself more to reading it rather than Berserk.

I've heard of the Claymore being made in Scotland, but I'm always forgetting about it, so your post helped me remember that too.

BTW Useless, Clare awakened in both the manga and anime, but the anime made hers and Priscilla's awakening something similar to Super Saiyan.

Aye lad. Claymore is of Scottish origin. I got me a smile just thinking of those huge Claymores on these petite lassies and small frames. Me classmate was a nerd who showed ye manga to me and there is a sense of eroticism in the novel.

I's finished the entire novel awhile go' and ready to discuss. Been reading the past threads and hope that I won't have ta answer to some boyos who have nothing ta contribute.

Im learning a lot just be reading the last forum threads from Hynavian, Chezkimo and Hollywoodlou.

As Hollywoodlou said, there's 4 extra chapters that I's need to read, ya. I'll probably read them chapters on the weekend.

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 06:49 AM

Hello lads and lassies. Glasgow here, became a fan of Claymore because well....tis' Scottish. What else is there? And the lassies are fine. My favorite girl is Theresa. Too bad she died though, and please forgive me ignorance on the manga because I'm still reading it, somewhere in book 69.

Hi welcome :thumbup: Good to see new comers around. Read that you're Scottish in origin and maybe you can let us know more about how the Claymore comes about or something. Good to know more outside information and we can relate it back to Claymore.

Hollywoodlou....Hynavian...where are you?!? save this thread from death by boredom

I'm currently down with fever and had been sick since yesterday night. Geez....So what do you want to discuss? :) Hmm for the favourite awakened form, I did state before that I like Jeane's butterfyl awakened form in the earlier threads, like what psychotic had mentioned. The reasons being it looks nice and we (prezzo, chez etc) had even speculated that it might be even able to shoot projectiles out from the wings. I even gave an in depth description of how I imagined an awakened Galatea will look. Of course, she'll look great.

How about we discuss with regards to the skills of the various Claymores? Like which skill is faster?

Clare's Flash Sword vs Flora's Windcutter vs Phantom Miria's Mirages?

Yay or Neh?

Tensa Zangetsu

11-15-2007, 06:58 AM

yay, our savior is here....well the flash sword is the fastest because it requires exertion of yoki in only one arm and is amazingly hard to control, but the windcutter is pure arm speed (I think). Miria boosted yoki to move at incredible speeds but now she has honed her normal speed meaning that she is faster then ever.

hope your fever goes down ^-^

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 07:30 AM

When pit Clare's flash sword against Flora's Wind Cutter, it is clear that Clare's flash sword is faster as Flora herself admitted it in Volume 10, The War In the North VI. Flora admitted that Clare's Flash Sword is quicker but her Wind Cutter is better in terms of force and precision.

Moving on to Miria's mirages, we have to take note of 2 points. Her old mirages (before the 7 years) and her new mirages (after 7 years). Her new mirages are slower as compared to her old mirages (Volume 12, Joined by Souls III).

Hence, when we see Clare pitting Flora's Wind Cutter against Miria's new mirages, we see that they are on pile as none seems to be faster than the other. My conclusion? Flora's Wind Cutter has clearly lost in terms of speed to both the Flash Sword and Miria's old mirages. Another point proven is that Miria's new mirages clearly lost in terms of speed to the flash sword since Wind Cutter and the new mirages are on pair with each other.

Now moving on to Miria's old mirage and Clare's flash sword. Who is the winner in terms of speed? I'm sure this will be a good topic to debate as the manga has not clearly highlighted it like the others.

In my opinion, Miria's mirages is faster than Clare's flash sword. The reason being her mirages are able to keep up with Rigardo's insane speed. Miria lost only when she reached the peaked of her stamina and Rigardo was able to pick her off. However, feel free to disagree with me as I'm eager to hear other opinions too though I'm sick in bed....ack...

To sum up (In terms of speed)
1. Miria's old mirages
2. Clare's flash sword
3. Windcutter and Miria's new mirages

Glasgow Celtic

11-15-2007, 07:34 AM

Hi welcome :thumbup: Good to see new comers around. Read that you're Scottish in origin and maybe you can let us know more about how the Claymore comes about or something. Good to know more outside information and we can relate it back to Claymore.

I'm currently down with fever and had been sick since yesterday night. Geez....So what do you want to discuss? :) Hmm for the favourite awakened form, I did state before that I like Jeane's butterfyl awakened form in the earlier threads, like what psychotic had mentioned. The reasons being it looks nice and we (prezzo, chez etc) had even speculated that it might be even able to shoot projectiles out from the wings. I even gave an in depth description of how I imagined an awakened Galatea will look. Of course, she'll look great.

How about we discuss with regards to the skills of the various Claymores? Like which skill is faster?

Clare's Flash Sword vs Flora's Windcutter vs Phantom Miria's Mirages?

Yay or Neh?

Aye Hynavian, tis true. Claymore is Scottish in origin. The swords were used by Highlander chiefs to beat back the English and like me grampappy William Wallace (Braveheart) the swords were huge so one strike was enough to cut down the enemy (the English). That's why I am now a fan of Claymore.(Playing me bagpipes)

Awakened forms that I have seen in the novel: me thinks Jeane's butterfly form is splendid and Duff has the form a fine warrior.

Clare's sword techniques were originally part of those tragic damsels Irene and Flora so I cannot simply argue which is better when they all combine into Clare's repertoire. If then lads, I would pick which is better in the first place, Irene's will do because Flora has ta waste time taking the Claymore back and from her sheath while Irene wastes no time just swinging her sword. It's the second that Flora loses which spells the difference, ya?

But, if Miria's mirages were to be involved, then it would be hard ta cut down Miria because of her control and experience in the situation. Me favorite damsel Clare is not exactly using her head when she fights but uses her heart instead. Miria is objective in her approach so i could agree with ya. It's not her technique that wins the fight but Miria is superior in her thinking so that gives her the edge.

Tensa Zangetsu

11-15-2007, 07:36 AM

Ah, so true Miria was on par with Rigardo (I thought his name was Rigald...maybe in the authentic translated manga in stores) Of course the windcutter is more precise then the flash sword cause its slower and no yoki control is needed to steady it. When perfected (like irenes) the flash sword can be extremely precise.

In terms of old mirages vs. flash sword I agree with you because in the long run Miria has more stamina and control over her technique then clare's...

ah....looks like were the only ones here....

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 08:10 AM

Clare does look like a mutant crab but it's the technique more than the appearance that counts here.

And yes, I have read the past few threads. But in the meantime, what are we going to do? Just read the stupid comments by Useless and nope? Like that's going to raise the IQ of the posters here.

Come to think of it, Clare's awakened form does resembles that of a crab. However, I think that it looks more like a mutated spider though, with that many hands moving around >.< reminds me of the legs of the spider.

I'm guessing Clare's awakened form is from the anime?
maybe I should watch that...

Huh I don't get you. Now I kind of agree with the comment by Max.

ah....looks like were the only ones here....

Hmm is it night time at your time zone? It's the late afternoon here and I have to head out later though I'm sick. Ack....assignements due date.

nhy390

11-15-2007, 10:22 AM

Did we ever get it confirmed that Duff died? I hope not! Would be good to see him back again!

xellentxecution

11-15-2007, 10:53 AM

hmm..clares awakening does look kinda like a crap...but all we saw was her limbs
awaken...what do you all think she'll look like when her entire body awakens?

nhy390

11-15-2007, 10:58 AM

hmm..clares awakening does look kinda like a crap...but all we saw was her limbs
awaken...what do you all think she'll look like when her entire body awakens?

Im pretty sure we saw most of Clare awakening, not just her legs. She grew all sorts of extra arms and blades that she used to impale her friend Jeanne! I think her awakened for was pretty cool.

xellentxecution

11-15-2007, 11:08 AM

Im pretty sure we saw most of Clare awakening, not just her legs. She grew all sorts of extra arms and blades that she used to impale her friend Jeanne! I think her awakened for was pretty cool.

yeha..maybe your right...but clares awakening is really cool...it seems less like a monster kind of one ......more like a ...dunno what to call it............but still awesome!

so anyway...does this mean that emotions are a major factor in awakenings..priscilla
was pretty hyped up before she awakened...and clare seemed that way too...?

nhy390

11-15-2007, 01:04 PM

Probably yes, as it makes it difficult to control yourself. Ultimately that is what keeps the Claymores from awakening: self-control. Most Claymores who are emotionally unstable have awakened. Take Ophilia, she was a psycho nut-case and she awakened (to one of the coolest forms, if I may add). However, being able to awaken to almost 100% and coming back is quite impressive. So yes, emotions can definetly push them over the limit and it seems that is what it the catalyst most of the time.

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 01:52 PM

Did we ever get it confirmed that Duff died? I hope not! Would be good to see him back again!

No confirmation of Duff's death yet but let's stay tune for more.

hmm..clares awakening does look kinda like a crap...but all we saw was her limbs
awaken...what do you all think she'll look like when her entire body awakens?
Im pretty sure we saw most of Clare awakening, not just her legs. She grew all sorts of extra arms and blades that she used to impale her friend Jeanne! I think her awakened for was pretty cool.

With regards to Clare's awakening, I think we have not seen her full awakening yet cause all awakened Claymores tend to have nice tilts and Clare has not gotten her outfit ripped yet.

yeha..maybe your right...but clares awakening is really cool...it seems less like a monster kind of one ......more like a ...dunno what to call it............but still awesome!

so anyway...does this mean that emotions are a major factor in awakenings..priscilla
was pretty hyped up before she awakened...and clare seemed that way too...?

A good point made, it seems like many Claymores crossed their limits accidentally when their emotions are hyped. Take for example, Miria almost fully awakened when she was mourning for Hilda's death. Another will be where Galatea had to push Clare to the ground as Riful was doing a good job in stirring Clare's emotions.

However, I noticed a special case though. Remember the scene from the Slashers where Deneve purposefully crossed her limit so as to ensure her survival? This scene can be used to either support or to go against your point on "emotions" being the "major factor". To support, one can argue that Deneve is not emotionally hyped at that point of time and hence, did not fully awaken. To go against, one can argue that emotions is not the major factor as Deneve has clearly shown high level of self consciousness and can pull herself back from full awakening.

emotionalct

11-15-2007, 02:10 PM

I know this is waaay off topic. But i've been thinking about Raki a lot lately.. I really have no love for his character but since he seems important to Clair i decided to indulge myself into some possibilites of his future...rather what hes been up to these past 7 years.

Since hes got this retarted desire to grow strong and protect Claire etc...what are the possibilities.. As a human he can only get so strong, and i would guess taht the pinacle of human strenght would be less than that of the weakest claymore. So that leaves 1 option to me.. He has to gain Yoma abilities. The only thing i could think of is that Isley has been around for a very long time. So it strikes me that he must know something of the method that the organization uses to make humans half yoma half human. If he does it could be a possibility that if Raki asks nicely(LOL) Isley would help to make him into a male Claymore. Just a possibility.

Anyone else have any theories as to what he could to gain a lil power.

nhy390

11-15-2007, 02:20 PM

Good point prez. It seems clear that in order not to awaken it is neccesary to have self control, however that does not stop the Claymores from awakening at their own accord. It has been shown several times that awakening can be done at will by Deneve as you pointed out, but also by Clare and Irene (voluntarily awakening part of your body). Its all a matter of letting yourself slip. I dont think emotions are a major factor in awakening. However, self control is. And emotions can make your self control slip.

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 02:44 PM

Since hes got this retarted desire to grow strong and protect Claire etc...what are the possibilities.. As a human he can only get so strong, and i would guess taht the pinacle of human strenght would be less than that of the weakest claymore. So that leaves 1 option to me.. He has to gain Yoma abilities. The only thing i could think of is that Isley has been around for a very long time. So it strikes me that he must know something of the method that the organization uses to make humans half yoma half human. If he does it could be a possibility that if Raki asks nicely(LOL) Isley would help to make him into a male Claymore. Just a possibility.

Anyone else have any theories as to what he could to gain a lil power.

What! On the possible ways where Raki can gain power? Ok, I'll give it a try then...

1. Raki becomes a Claymore (what you have mentioned).

2. Raki can join the organisation and be part of the black cloaks. The black coats in the Claymore world definitely have power as they control the Claymores.

3. Raki can become a Claymore and then awaken. (To gain a boast in power from his Caymore form)

4. Raki can get himself eaten by an awakned being, the best choice would be Priscilla. (To become part of Priscilla's power, part of her power=powerful)

5. Raki can use his charm to make all the female characters fall head over heels over him. So far, Claire and Priscilla appear to be the victims.

:thumbup:

xellentxecution

11-15-2007, 03:24 PM

With regards to Clare's awakening, I think we have not seen her full awakening yet cause all awakened Claymores tend to have nice tilts and Clare has not gotten her outfit ripped yet.

Thats an exllent point!....That was what i was wondering...something was missing....this is the missing link for female awakenings!

1. Raki becomes a Claymore (what you have mentioned).

2. Raki can join the organisation and be part of the black cloaks. The black coats in the Claymore world definitely have power as they control the Claymores.

3. Raki can become a Claymore and then awaken. (To gain a boast in power from his Caymore form)

4. Raki can get himself eaten by an awakned being, the best choice would be Priscilla. (To become part of Priscilla's power, part of her power=powerful)

5. Raki can use his charm to make all the female characters fall head over heels over him. So far, Claire and Priscilla appear to be the victims.

Do'ya know what the weird thing is??...most probebly....it isn't 1,2,3 or 4....point #5 seems to be raki's only trait....its sad ...real sad since i hate raki already...this just adds to the anger.

But...seriously #1 though good....kinda wont be possible...though that'll make the story in an intersting position....unless isley knows how to make a claymore....or raki does #2 to instead become a claymore...which is impossible....what do you think's gonna happen?

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 03:44 PM

But...seriously #1 though good....kinda wont be possible...though that'll make the story in an intersting position....unless isley knows how to make a claymore....or raki does #2 to instead become a claymore...which is impossible....what do you think's gonna happen?

My 8th sense tells me that you and emotionalct will become good friends as both of you are into asking others to speculate about stuff. Maybe you can engage with him when he's online in the forum. :p

Coming back to what I think (speculations), I think all 5 options will not happen and Raki will remain as a human. He'll be skilled in swordmanship after 7 years of training. He'll still be a good meat shield when it comes to protecting the ones he loves and he will be a confused man if Clare and Priscilla ever fights.

emotionalct

11-15-2007, 03:55 PM

My 8th sense tells me that you and emotionalct will become good friends as both of you are into asking others to speculate about stuff. Maybe you can engage with him when he's online in the forum. :p

Coming back to what I think (speculations), I think all 5 options will not happen and Raki will remain as a human. He'll be skilled in swordmanship after 7 years of training. He'll still be a good meat shield when it comes to protecting the ones he loves and he will be a confused man if Clare and Priscilla ever fights.

Yea if/when they fight he definately will be more emo than he already is.

xellentxecution

11-15-2007, 04:01 PM

Coming back to what I think (speculations), I think all 5 options will not happen and Raki will remain as a human. He'll be skilled in swordmanship after 7 years of training. He'll still be a good meat shield when it comes to protecting the ones he loves and he will be a confused man if Clare and Priscilla ever fights.

Will raki ever become somebody usefull?....its like you say it..his future seems bleak....

There was something i was wondering for a while..you know claymores like teresa and priscilla..they fight without using thier powers...does that mean...they use thier humen abilities?.....if so.....humans can do that too?

(yeah its a habit of mine.....i like to see other people's view on matters ^^)

beakedbard

11-15-2007, 04:22 PM

What! On the possible ways where Raki can gain power? Ok, I'll give it a try then...

1. Raki becomes a Claymore (what you have mentioned).

2. Raki can join the organisation and be part of the black cloaks. The black coats in the Claymore world definitely have power as they control the Claymores.

3. Raki can become a Claymore and then awaken. (To gain a boast in power from his Caymore form)

4. Raki can get himself eaten by an awakned being, the best choice would be Priscilla. (To become part of Priscilla's power, part of her power=powerful)

5. Raki can use his charm to make all the female characters fall head over heels over him. So far, Claire and Priscilla appear to be the victims.

:thumbup:

He needs a complete personality revamp first or thats all for nothing.

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 04:32 PM

Will raki ever become somebody usefull?....its like you say it..his future seems bleak....

There was something i was wondering for a while..you know claymores like teresa and priscilla..they fight without using thier powers...does that mean...they use thier humen abilities?.....if so.....humans can do that too?

(yeah its a habit of mine.....i like to see other people's view on matters ^^)

I don't get what you're asking sorry >.<

He needs a complete personality revamp first or thats all for nothing.

I agree with you for once.

xellentxecution

11-15-2007, 04:38 PM

I don't get what you're asking sorry

Its okay.What i meant was...remember..whenever teresa fights...people say that she fights without usng her yoma energy at all....same with priscilla..and than later clare who begins to use the wind cutter...without relying on her yoma powers..what i meant was...does that mean that they're using thier natural abilities?(human).

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 04:52 PM

Its okay.What i meant was...remember..whenever teresa fights...people say that she fights without usng her yoma energy at all....same with priscilla..and than later clare who begins to use the wind cutter...without relying on her yoma powers..what i eman was...does that mean that they're using thier natural abilities?(human).
Claymores get a natural boost in strength, speed and all that when they become Claymores. They don't even need to exert their yoki to swing their sword. At least, most of them didn't, but when Clare was still a trainee she had a hard time using a Claymore. Clare was able to use windcutter in the next generation because of the natural boost Claymores get without exerting any yoki, and she practiced it during the seven-year time skip, if I remember correctly. So, the natural boost they have when becoming Claymores probably had something to do with it. What I'm saying is that when one becomes a Claymore, they have a boost in their human abilities that allows them to fight yoma and awakened ones.

nhy390

11-15-2007, 04:55 PM

I suppose they get improved speed strength, etc from the process of becoming claymores. So they are in a sense using natural abilities. However, these abilities would not be as good if it wasnt for the process! So, Raki could not train to get to such a level. But I know what you mean. This is my best answer. Im sure someone can find a better one though :D

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 05:00 PM

I think Raki would have to get extremely lucky to be as good as any of the survivors. Knowing him, he'll probably waste all his energy screaming out for Clare.

Hynavian

11-15-2007, 05:03 PM

Its okay.What i meant was...remember..whenever teresa fights...people say that she fights without usng her yoma energy at all....same with priscilla..and than later clare who begins to use the wind cutter...without relying on her yoma powers..what i meant was...does that mean that they're using thier natural abilities?(human).

So do you mean that Raki can hold a Claymore and execute a Wind Cutter attack? :lol:

It depends on how one defines "natural" though as the "natural" abilities of a human is clearly weaker than that of the "natural abilities" of a Claymore. Raki won't be able to wield a Claymore and to execute Windcutter due to his natural limitations but it's naturally possible for Clare due to her Yoma-like strength that is flowing inside her. So in a way, you can say that Clare is using her natural abilities.

lol, your question is confusing and my answer is confusing as well.

ColtRugerGlock

11-15-2007, 06:30 PM

Tank

11-15-2007, 07:31 PM

You guys are looking down on Raki waaaay much... Ofc he is totaly worthless when it comes to fighting Yoma's, BUT who the hell said he neds to be able to kill Yoma's to be something on the world? Yoma's aren't the only evil (ok they must be like 90%) on the world but still someone has to protect peace and the people from bandits (Teresa going on a rampage against bandits? There's no reason to think that Raki won't ever be able to that sometime...) hell even killing smaller (very small) yomas 1on1 !

Ofc this might not look so heroic as fighting Awakened Beings and Abyssal Ones but (if it ever come to happening) its the more likely to happen (in my opinion ofc what isnt worth alot :P)

Glasgow Celtic

11-15-2007, 10:22 PM

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 10:41 PM

Hi! Brand new member to the Claymore fan club. Just started reading Claymore a week ago and I finished all 74 chapters within the week. It's a great series, way better than Bleach IMO. Well, I shouldn't compare the 2 though.

I don't know how to use the quote button so I'll just post then. My initial impression of Raki is that his mission is to survive and be with Clare, but being a human, that in itself is a limitation. I would simply prefer for him to be the helpless human in the story because if you crowd the series with Claymores and yomas and Dwellers, humans are not exactly deemed valuable except for being cattle to hungry yomas, so Raki needs to stay human to make the story interesting.

Well I do mate. I thank ya from your reply a while back. So I have ta return the favor.

Raki don't have to do haggis to be an important chap in the story. He has ta remain human ta give the humans a fighting chance of otherwise being known as grub to the yomas. Personally, Raki has the same mission as Clare, that they must meet together in the future. Cutting down priscilla seems to bloody for a lot of chaps on the board, so I can attest that Clare has a 2 fold mission: send Prisiclla ta hell and meet up with Raki for her sanity.
Raki's only role is to do nothing but be a goal for Clare. Anything else is bonus. I suspect the lad is up to no good with Isley and priscilla, for he looks smart enough to figure out that there's something wrong with those 2 not sharing the dinner table and eating the same grub.
Well said. While Raki may not be dependable in a fight (as far as we know, but this will probably change when we see him again), that's not his purpose in the manga. His purpose in Claymore is to be Clare's "sheath"(I'm using Samurai X reference here), to be the person who can keep Clare from losing her humanity. If he becomes an excellent swordsman, it won't affect his purpose. It will give humans a fighting chance as humans, and it would certainly make for an interesting show, but it won't affect the role he may have to play in the end.

On a side note, I'm HOPING Raki was smart enough to realize that Isley and Priscilla were awakened ones at this point. If not, I would deem him an idiot.

And welcome to the forums, ColtRugerGlock. You'd use the quote button that's at the bottom of each post by just clicking on it, and you can answer what you quoted. Or if you want to quote more than one post (like I did here), you'd click on the button next to it, and it will turn red when you click on it, to let you know you're quoting it. When you're on your last quoted post, you'd click on the quote button on your last quoted post to get all those quotes in, and you can answer them all. Did that help?

18fenrir

11-15-2007, 11:48 PM

All things considered, i hope he'd return as a pretty powerful individual who may rival awakened beings but i'm hoping too much as most of ya reckon. hehe raki being a sheath/scabbard? apart from samurai x, it also reminded me of Fate S/N (Shiro & Saber. Shiro also being a whiny pants earlier on)

Anyway digressing.. but while i share sentiment that raki kinda whimpers a little too much. I'm also thinking this is uh.. a story/anime. And we've all seen naive people get cheating so much like till we go "omg! what he really doesn't know?! how can he not know!" Yea so i'm betting that unless Priscilla goes off eating guts in his presence like in the anime, he will continue to think of her as a little girl.

SilentBuddhist

11-15-2007, 11:57 PM

Jammerjoint

11-15-2007, 11:58 PM

Has 75 come out yet?

Glasgow Celtic

11-16-2007, 12:46 AM

Well said. While Raki may not be dependable in a fight (as far as we know, but this will probably change when we see him again), that's not his purpose in the manga. His purpose in Claymore is to be Clare's "sheath"(I'm using Samurai X reference here), to be the person who can keep Clare from losing her humanity. If he becomes an excellent swordsman, it won't affect his purpose. It will give humans a fighting chance as humans, and it would certainly make for an interesting show, but it won't affect the role he may have to play in the end.

On a side note, I'm HOPING Raki was smart enough to realize that Isley and Priscilla were awakened ones at this point. If not, I would deem him an idiot.

And welcome to the forums, ColtRugerGlock. You'd use the quote button that's at the bottom of each post by just clicking on it, and you can answer what you quoted. Or if you want to quote more than one post (like I did here), you'd click on the button next to it, and it will turn red when you click on it, to let you know you're quoting it. When you're on your last quoted post, you'd click on the quote button on your last quoted post to get all those quotes in, and you can answer them all. Did that help?

Aye mate. Colt Ruger was right on the bagpipes that Raki stay human as there's no human left ta support. Tis a crime mates that us humans have to look like yer Sunday brunch, and tis looking better if Raki fights as a human.

I wouldn't put much stock in it mates because the lad is simply as smart as a goat. Maybe in the 7 years, the best we could hope for the chap is that his role is be a general in Isley's army but from me observations that he lost his last 13 and 11 boys on their march towards Riful and the org.

SilentBuddhist

11-16-2007, 12:57 AM

Aye mate. Colt Ruger was right on the bagpipes that Raki stay human as there's no human left ta support. Tis a crime mates that us humans have to look like yer Sunday brunch, and tis looking better if Raki fights as a human.

I wouldn't put much stock in it mates because the lad is simply as smart as a goat. Maybe in the 7 years, the best we could hope for the chap is that his role is be a general in Isley's army but from me observations that he lost his last 13 and 11 boys on their march towards Riful and the org.
Yep. If Raki were a good human swordsman, it would give ordinary humans a strong ray of hope. But at the same time, not being a Claymore means he can't go much farther in terms of strength if he's near his physical limits, as he has no yoki to amplify this. And his overall ignorance doesn't help at all. And you are correct, Isley has no more minions to his army. The 24 Claymores in the North destroyed most of them, with the rest were killed by Alicia and Beth. Those who went West met Riful and were annihilated by her.