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[x04ty29er]

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oops and one more thing..noahs are still humans and have souls
they can be killed and be turned into akumas
that shows that the earl is also strong against his own noahs since he claimed to have killed the 14th noah (or mana for the current theory)

im confused on how noah are supposed to be good
and what exactly is milennium earl? is he a noah? or leader of noah?

I'm just curious if since everything centers around the "noah's ark" which was supposed to "lead the animals two by two". and the earl's search for the innocence "heart".....If allen and lenalee share the piece of "heart" together lol. I mean lavi has thought that both of them had the piece of heart due to how their pieces of innocence saved their lives, etc.

but then at the same time, allen is supposed to be some sort of prophesized "destroyer of time"?? what the hell does that mean anyway??

he's supposed to do it on his own or with lenalee in some sort of innocence sex orgy that will kill the earl from over stimulation?? lol.

j/k on last part though haha. but seriously, destroyer of time??

[akaidaishi]

contuniuing from the previous thread...

we don't even know much a bout the earl and how he has come across the ark and the noahs
but as the religious story goes, only the noahs are supposed to use/drive the ark (that's why the earl was angry and calling the exorciststs filthy sheep)

the theory of allen and linali sharing the heart is probable since no one really knows what the heart does...then again that theory can be tossed aside (no offense) because we don't really know either

the 'destroyer of time' implies that allen will be the one kill/stop the millenium earl
carrying half the heart of innocence might also boost his role more as the one to stop the earl (the roles might go hand in hand is what i'm saying)

as far as i'm concerned hoshino-sensei is revealing little info about everything and any important phrase can mean anything

but we get to see more of how cross fits into the whole thing since he knew a lot more about the ark than anyone in the order (or so i think)
he even knew that only allen could control the ark which implies a triangular relationship (not a love triangle mind you) between mana, cross, and allen

[Raijuu]

I hope cross reveals something more about allen in the conversation that he is going to have with the other high members of the black order. I also think mana and cross knew each other somehow, then when he died cross just took allen and began to train him.

[Edward]

i agree with raijuu...and allen must get the general rank because he passed critical point.

[akaidaishi]

lol that would be really nice seeing a high-ranking allen *w*

i hope komui won't run tests/experiements on him to see the extent of his power HAHA

[tsunade666]

the next chapter will be interesting because its about cross and allen
should be a general.but the generals clothing doesn't suit him.

[Raijuu]

hmmm... allen getting the general level would be kind of hard though. I mean, he fought pretty well but he still got all beat up by tyki and cross just showed up and took him out as he was nothing... I think allen still needs a little more to go to get general

[Akeyami]

I think Allen's worthy of being a General....but yeah, some more training might be good. I mean, who knows what else the Crown Clown is capable of.....? -looks off into distance-

[Raijuu]

hmmm.... he still hasnt reached the level four akuma eye. So maybe they just leave the inncence aside and consentrate on that. Although, maybe not.

[General Cross Marian]

I'm just mad that its friday and their haven't been any spoilers at all.

[Raijuu]

when was the last time that the last chapter came out?... it feels like it hasnt been a week yet.

[General Cross Marian]

It has been a week.

[Raijuu]

oh ok, then it should be coming out soon. Maybe tomorrow or something, I mean, they havent said anything that it wasnt coming out or anything.

[Edward]

yeah the raw is out already

[General Cross Marian]

mangashare has already scanlated it, its out now. It was a pretty decent chapter, but hopefully the next couple of chapters wont be too boring due to Allens new situation.

[ShootingStar~]

lol, was that a religious nut I saw?

[allen123]

id love to see allen general rank since u guys are right about he passed 100% syncro rate

[DlentSeltra]

Is anyone else disappointed at how nobody but noah died? I don't like it when all the main characters seem invincible.

[Raijuu]

they were prety lucky though... I mean, they died (well, only erased with the ark) and allen brought them back... so basically it was thanks to allen that they are actually alive.

[Darkreaper70]

yea, they were killed (per se) but then Allen with his amazing powers brought them back to reality. i think the detective is right to question marian. i think he is suspicious too

[Akeyami]

Whoa.....did anyone else notice that the Inspector guy in 136 looked like Hitler? Just a thought....-sweatdrop-

And OMG...how could they want to put Allen on trial for heresy! That's totally not cool! He saved everyone's lives! They should be discussing when to inaugurate him as a General! -vein pulsing-

[Darkreaper70]

yes, its hitler made in manga form

[Raijuu]

lol.... Hitler... that guy is annoying as hell, but not knowing the situation or what happened he's got a good point to accuse allen of heresy.

[Lamentia]

IT'S HITLER WANNE-BEEEE:lol::lol::lol:----No.

Besides from the saying that Inspector Rouvelier looks like Hitler, has anyone noticed that he is quite similar to Mana Walker? From the previous chapter (D. Gray-Man Manga Chapter 135 AKA Title: 'Rest With Occasional Cloud') it briefly showed Mana, and the Inspector quite resembles him, in my opinion.

But kinda hard to believe that Inspector Rouvelier would say that Allen should be tried for heresy IF he was Mana---but there are always surprises. But, I think I'm just getting a bit crazy here, so I'm probably wrong anyway. Well, just theorizing and stuff here :P

=3 :cookies:

[Wei]

mana's dead . He's just following what is "good for the religion." You could be a hero and be treated like crap.

[Akeyami]

lol.... Hitler... that guy is annoying as hell, but not knowing the situation or what happened he's got a good point to accuse allen of heresy.

I suppose he can make a point since he doesn't know Allen or much about the situation....but....but but but.....I still don't want it to happen -huggles Allen- :(

[Raijuu]

...... I think nothing will happen to allen... if it does, then he is not just screwed but he would have to go away from the black order by escaping and he would have to fight the earl by himself.

[hikari_yami]

Yeah...And Mana's probably the 14th. The hints totally scream that...

[ShootingStar~]

LOL HITLER. Omg, I should've noticed that D:

[akaidaishi]

omg hitler is supposed to be an anti-semitist!!!! lol not that it matters cos he's pretty much a sadist here...and the glare just sucks your soul

but i think a trial that severe needs more inspection after all that happened
and why is he punishing allen instead of thankind him for bringing the ark? >A<;;
if he punishes allen who's gona pilot the ark and change locations?
i'm sure only allen could do that

but i'm curious how the higher-ups know about the 14th noah and cross's connection to him

[Raijuu]

maybe they already figured out how to move the ark without the need of allen.

Well, cross is a general, Im pretty sure they know a lot about his life and stuff like that. Maybe, the 14th was helping the black order once because his conection with cross so they know about him.... who knows.

[tsunade666]

marian and the 14th have a connection its 100% sure but the surprising thing is when
we know that when marian take allen as his apprentice is the time when he got the
job.its like been destined or its like he actually knows allen but maybe its because of
the 4th.
and I think everyone will agree that we hate the hitler guy.

[ShootingStar~]

Maybe out of nowhere, he becomes a calm, carefree guy~

[fritazz]

does'nt anyone think that allen is a desendent of the 14th and that inerself is his inner noah. that would explain why he could play the piano and why him and the earl have the same sword. cross might of known that and thats why he sent him in.

thoughts on the matter?

[Raijuu]

yeah, I actually thought about that... but it all seems to lead to mana at the end... I mean, cross knew the 14th and the song allen played was the song mana made (or that they made together)

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

I'd prefer Lenalee to not be the heart. I mean, it's hard to swallow that the heart is in such close proximity to Allen (a person who passed the critical point). If she does turn out to be the heart, I think the story centers itself way too much on Lenalee and Allen.

As for the 14, I think that creepy shadow that talks to Allen has some relation to Mana. Perhaps the shadow is Mana? I doubt this is true since Mana's "spirit" spoke to Allen back when they first met Krory, and Allen's eye "upgraded". Mana's spirit looked quite different from the creepy shadow. Maybe the shadow is one of Allen's ancestors?

The recent chapter has started to involve the dark side of the Church with the (Hitler Man)'s appearance. I'm pretty interested in seeing how the Manga will portray the ugly side of the church.


Booo I can't wait..

[akaidaishi]

that can be true
her innocence could just be showing it's true but raw form at that time when it saved her in a crystal chamber

i wonder how the other people (especially linali) will react if they learn that allen will be put under surveillance
will the other exorcists get surveyed as well since they did go with allen into the ark?

[tsunade666]

I don't think they will put surveillance to other exorcist as well.they put a surveillance to allen because their is a solid reason unlike the others.its not enough reason to put them under surveillance because they accompany allen into the ark.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Actually, I think they will place his friends under surveillance just in case someone tries to help him or whatnot. Besides, were talking about a Church during a War against evil. DUN DUN DUNNNN

Anything can happen when that goes down.

[Raijuu]

Anyway, didnt they say something about getting more people who can use innocence to be exorcists?.... I think some new people are going to show up for some reason.

[ShootingStar~]

Yeah, but they have to find people compatible with the innocence. Maybe there'll be characters from different branches coming in?

Hope the gang break Allen out or something! :'D

And... Wuht happened to Tyki? o__0 lolol

[Soul of Eden]

Right now the problem is: will Allen fight with the Dark Order or against it???oh poor boy! he has done more than anyone and is the worst rewarded!!!!And by the way, Leenale can die for all I care!, Man she fought just once and has been KO for more chapters than the ones she has appeared in!
her brother would have been a better exorcist...

Ah, I think Tyki has turned into something close to a mindless demon...a doll of the wearl withouth brain, that is!

[akaidaishi]

that would be nice to see brand new exorcists into the picture ^^
I don't think allen will think that badly of the black order for now as it might cause too much chaos if he does retaliate
who knows what happened to tyki *shrug*
do you think he can go back to normal? road is also alive...wonder what happened to jasdebi...

[tsunade666]

that will be good.
allen retaliating his master doesn't fully obey the order as well i wouldn't be a surprise
if the order start hunting him down if they discover allen has a connection with the
14th then the apprentice and master do their own work to destroy the earl or maybe with the gang.
and about tykki the noah of pleasure awaken when allen cuts through him with crown clown and the result the noah over take him.

[Raijuu]

I think allen could have killed the noah back then... but because he left tykki alive, that happened.

Although, I really would likke to see new innocences and their powers, as well as new levels of akuma.

[ShootingStar~]

*beginning to think Mana is the 14th* =/

[DlentSeltra]

Sure is taking awhile for this chapter >_>

[shonenshojo]

*wondering who really was the 14th and how Allen is related to him*when is this chapter coming out, it's taking a really long time

[goldeneyedvampire]

You can read the new D.Gray-Man chapter at http://www.mangavolume.com/d.gray-man/chapter-d.gray-man-137/

[Raijuu]

well, the new chapter is out on the main site (for a while) and it was a very interesting chapter, I must say. It seems as if the 14th really IS Mana.... and there is no way around it.

[goldeneyedvampire]

Yeah, I know the new chapter is on the main cite, when I posted that, it was not yet.


I'm pretty much sure the 14th is Mana. Before I thought it was Cross, but now who besides Mana could it be?

Doesn't Mana look like a thiner version of the Earl from the back. With that tall hat and trench coat?

[Raijuu]

lol... yeah, it does... I actually thought the same thing.

anyway, it also said that it was the earl who killed the 14th (aka. Mana) and then my theory is that he used allen to bring him back so that he can manipulate the 14th as an akuma (which is easier for the earl to do). Then it was when all that of the cursing happened and yada yada yada

[shonenshojo]

well....you might be right but you know the Earl seems to not know who Allen is and to just find him interesting.....well thats what i think based on the Earls actions

[Hopeless]

I was thinking... maybe the Earl didn't know that Mana was the 14th noah back then when he told allen to make him into an akuma?... or he could have known and wanted to kill them both back then with the akuma making process? hitting (or rather killing) two birds with one stone... but unfortunately he didn't expect the curse thing and allen's innocence activating...

and along with that... wasn't the 13th noah the one called the Betrayer... what's really his relation to the 14th (probably Mana)... my theory is that the 13th Noah had an affair with a human and Mana was his son...hmm... hence being called a betrayer because he didn't go with their notion that all humans must be extinguished and only the noahs will remain...

another thing i had in mind was about Allen's innocence... it still could be the heart you know... i mean technically it wasn't really destroyed by tyki... my bet is the mangaka is setting up a plot to make us think that the dark boots is the heart and eventually it'll get destroyed in a chapter (at the last page probably and in the midst of the battle between the Earl and Noahs vs the exorcists...*suspense*) and then it'll be realized that allen's is the heart??... just guessing anyways haha... or it could also be that the heart is not just one innocence??... hmm plot thickens lol...

[Witchchild]

That's possible. Though I could also see a outside possibility being the heart. If Hevalaska or one of the Generals hold the heart, it would be pretty interesting to see what happens to Allen's Innocence if the heart was to be destroyed. I could see the Heart being destroyed, but Linali and Allen's Innocence surviving because of it's special property (i.e. the property that allows it to save it's user)

Also, it's possible that Mana isn't the 14th, but was the person that the 14th handed his powers off to. He, in turn, passed them off to Allen? Who knows? :P

[Hopeless]

That's possible. Though I could also see a outside possibility being the heart. If Hevalaska or one of the Generals hold the heart, it would be pretty interesting to see what happens to Allen's Innocence if the heart was to be destroyed. I could see the Heart being destroyed, but Linali and Allen's Innocence surviving because of it's special property (i.e. the property that allows it to save it's user)


maybe even other innocence will also manifest the same characteristics?? even crowley, lavi, or miranda's might become the same... and at the end they would be the one's left to fight the Noahs... could be a possibility too you know...

[Witchchild]

hehe, would be kinda hard to put Allen on trial for heresy if he's one of the only "God's Chosen Disciples" left to fight.

[Hopeless]

well basically it's stupid to put him on trial for heresy... considering that he almost died doing the Order's work... for crying out loud, he's almost like a martyr (except for the cheating in cards thingy LMAO) even told Timcampy to run away with Suman's Innocence and leave him to die... damn those stubborn old guys in charge... well come to think of it... it's kind of a trend in some manga anyway...stubborn old guys who don't listen to reason and just judge people as they please (Gorousei in One Piece, 1st Squad Captain in Bleach)...

[Blacksmith]

I don't think its about them being stubborn prob more about a power trip cause if you look at it another way the frontline troops and their support always get a hard time compared to those sitting in an office somewhere making "command" decisions. But yeah it is stupid putting him on trial

[Raijuu]

anyway, it seems as if allen now has the powers of the 14th (thanks to the curse) and if the church finds about this, they might take away allen's position as an exorsist and put him in jail even... or worse.

[Witchchild]

After rereading Noahs Memory 4, I have a feeling I know what's in the future for Allen where that shadow is concerned. Maybe the Order has a reason to keep him under watch. Oo

[Raijuu]

so whats that?... that allen is going to become the 14th or something?... thus becoming evil... then again, I dont think the 14th is "evil"

[Hopeless]

yah... having the powers of the 14th transferred to him probably would have a catch to it... but still stupid to put him in jail just for that...!@$@%# old geezers in power LOL

[KingofBanditsX]

I mostly agree with HopeLess theory about How the 14th might have relationship with another but I don't think Mana would be the son. My theory is that the 14th might have fell in love with an exorcist and have a son(might be Allen). This almost like forbidden love just like CrowleyXElliade. Also about Allen be tried for heresy, this might be where Lenalee dream are coming true about the ruins of Black Order. I assume that Earl killed his father (14th) and the Black Order killed his mother which will lead Allen leaving the order.

[tsunade666]

14th had a son?
I still think the 14th is mana and mana is allen's foster parent.

[Witchchild]

My thoughts is that the shadow with Allen is the Noah that was in the 14th...which was separated from the 14th when it's human counterpart (Mana) died. I find it doubtful that Allen's mother was an exorcist because wasn't it said before that his family had abandoned him because of his arm? What exorcist would be shocked and appalled that their son was born with Innocence?

I also think that in the near future, Allen's going to be required to accept that Noah into himself. But since this Noah isn't the same as the other 13, I see this as the coming of the Anti-Noah...a white holy mark instead of black. Before, it was one hand for humans and one for akuma, but where do Noah fit into that? I think the answer lies in what happens with the Noah that's with Allen.

One other thing I'm curious about (and it could be way off base) is the likeness that Allen has with the Fallen One that Linali saw when she was younger. Anyone else see a likeness? She never found out what happened to that boy and I'm curious if he and Allen have any connection.

[Mogx]

It makes sense that Allen would be the 14th's son since he knew how to play those notes on the piano. I just can't stand what they're doing to him. Plus i think Lenalee knows that Allen's in for a really hard and painful time since the top peeps think he's a heretic. she kinda went through some of the same stuff with that small mustache man (don't know that Generals name). It's going to be interesting to see what Allen's true past is and why he doesn't remember much.

[Akeyami]

They mentioned Mana's will...maybe it was his will to pass his powers on to Allen....?

[Raijuu]

eh, Im pretty sure he wanted to pass on his powers to allen, maybe so that allen could do what he couldnt and beat down the earl with them.

btw, happy birthday ;)

[akaidaishi]

there's lots of interesting theories but i would also like to know who is this old man that was the source of information for the Black Order. (maybe one of the circus troupe when allen and mana were still together?)

How did the Black Order get hold of a hard copy of the muscial chord for the ark in the first place? unless timcanpi is not the only one carrying momentos of the 14th.

And why do supervisor link and genreal rouvoliear (whatever his name is) like to bake pastry? that skit was completely out of the blue XDDD

[Raijuu]

......lol I laughed at that part.. it was random...

anyway, the Black Order knows about all of this from cross, I believe. They might have found the musical chord at the ark though.... or maybe cross made timcampy to cough them up.

[Breeze~]

Umm....being totally random here, but just thought maybe Maria, or whatever the dead lady with the vocal innocence's name is, could maybe be Allen's mom. She could have died since i guess she was an excerise when allen was young and had to leave him. and something else could have happened to his father. Thats just a little though i wanted to put out there.

[Hopeless]

but if she was Allen's mom, wouldn't it be so cruel for Cross to actually use her as a weapon?? or rather as a shield from what her abilities were... but then again even if she's not, it's kind of cruel for Cross to be using a corpse as a weapon...

Maybe they got the copy from exploring the ark... but then again it was never showed if they entered the piano room...

Cross appears to be reluctant to sharing with the Order anyway... i don't think it would be him to give that to the Order...

[akaidaishi]

i agree with hopeless actually...that the copy couldn't have come from cross or timcanpi (he didn't even know that the black order knew about the 14th)

so it's an outside source that should be revealed in the manga! (or hinted at least)

and about the maria corpse thing...i duno if that is one of cross's secrets but i'm almost sure it's not his mom...who knows *shrugs*

I still wana know who that old man (the source of info on the 14th) really is!

[archite]

Honestly, I don't really agree with the " maria equals allen's mum " theory. Maria is just a parasite- type exorcist created by cross out of magic in the first place (she could pop out from nowhere and simply disappear the next moment). Hoshino should have got the inspiration of drawing DGM from FMA (popular manga/anime) at first with the weird arm and all, so similarly I think that he/ she might have got his/her source of inspiration of this curse and scar thingy from Harry Potter since its recent craze.

My theory is that the 14th gave Mana Walker his power since the manga mentioned the 14th
betraying the earl by giving his powers to control the ark to a human- being that is most likely well... Mana. Shortly after, Mana adopted Allen followed by his own death and Allen bringing him back as an akuma. Mana knowingly/unknowingly passed on his powers of the 14th to Allen by cursing him (slashing his left eye, leaving a pentacle- shaped scar behind) and granting Allen the ability to see the soul of an akuma that could be an ability of the 14th. ( In Harry Potter, voldermont -whatever the sp is, granted Harry his powers of speaking parseltongue accidentally when leaving him with the lightning- shaped scar)

The remnants of the 14th seemed to be passed on to Allen as well representing the whole eerie shadow thing. The reason why Allen could only see it now is probably because the evolution of his curse have to reach a certain stage to let him see the shadow of the 14th that might look more human/noah- like as Allen's curse continue to evolve.

In another version of DGM ch137, pg15, it was stated that another old man had received the 14th's power as well, thus this might suggest that many others have the abilities of the 14th. Lenalee could be an example as I don't really think that hoshino would simply declare that she is the heart and leave it at that. All this commotion about Lenalee being the heart could be a completely unreal fluke. Really sorry to those who might feel offended by this theory...

[Witchchild]

Actually Archite, I think that's pretty possible. The evolution of his eye's curse is the best theory I've heard so far where the noah-shadow is concerned.

[Franckie]

I don't believe that Mana was the person who received the powers of the 14th Noah. I find it much more likely that Allen is the one who would have received this powers, possibly when he was a very young child. (You can't help but admit that a slight resemblance exists between Allen and the 14th's sillouhette.) I figure that Mana, along with Cross, was someone who had been friends with the 14th Noah for quite sometime. 14 passed on his powers to Allen and Timcanpy while leaving Allen in Mana's care while he arranged events with Cross to take Allen on as an apprentice when the time was right.

What is unusual though is the simple fact that the Musician's powers were split between Allen and Timcanpy. Perhaps this was a precaution to prevent Allen's Innocence from attacking him and/or to prevent the possibility that the Noah powers that had been passed on to Allen would not begin to manifest themselves in the sense we've seen for Road, Tyki, Skin, so on and so forth. Something unexpected happened though, and what it was is that Allen was cursed by his adoptive father when he turned him into an Akuma.

Noah and Innocence are considered opposites of each other. If Innocence have the power of "white matter", then Noah have the power of "dark matter". When Allen was cursed, the Musician's dormant abilities were given a physical manifestation akin to the Noah that live in people like Skin and Jasdebi. Since Allen's "dark half" was given birth by this curse, then it means that Allen's dark half would be tied to the eye's evolution. The stronger the curse becomes, the stronger the "shadow" can manifest itself. Likewise, coming into contact with the abilities that had been passed on to Allen would have made communication between the two halves within Allen easier to be done as well.

The interaction between the two would explain a few things, such as why Allen can activate his Innocence even if he is unconscious. Likewise, it might help explain why Allen's Innocence can regenerate itself like Allen's left eye. The series is titled "D. Gray Man", so I don't fnid it surprising that Allen will become "grey" before this manga ends.

[akaidaishi]

I think Frankie and archite have the best theories yet! (yay for both of you)
it's very interesting to note that the shadow appeared when allen's eye had evolved to some extent...but was that the same "shadow" that allen saw as a skull when he was being attacked by Eliade? (in Crowley's castle)...cos he said at that time, that MANA's curse growing, but i don't know if it implied mana as the shadow *shrugs*

I think the thought about the fact who's the 14th is getting too confusing though :\
at first it was mana...then someone else that might've passed to mana and then...there's allen's dad and mom...and that's stretching the story a bit

Very interesting thought of the Gray part of the title :D
I hope we would know soon what the D. initial stands for (lol like the D. in Monkey D. Luffy...lol that's a joke)

[Hopeless]

Noah and Innocence are considered opposites of each other. If Innocence have the power of "white matter", then Noah have the power of "dark matter". When Allen was cursed, the Musician's dormant abilities were given a physical manifestation akin to the Noah that live in people like Skin and Jasdebi. Since Allen's "dark half" was given birth by this curse, then it means that Allen's dark half would be tied to the eye's evolution. The stronger the curse becomes, the stronger the "shadow" can manifest itself. Likewise, coming into contact with the abilities that had been passed on to Allen would have made communication between the two halves within Allen easier to be done as well.

The interaction between the two would explain a few things, such as why Allen can activate his Innocence even if he is unconscious. Likewise, it might help explain why Allen's Innocence can regenerate itself like Allen's left eye. The series is titled "D. Gray Man", so I don't fnid it surprising that Allen will become "grey" before this manga ends.

hey never really thought of this... great theory about the title anyway ^^... but the title could also be referring to the Earl of Millennium since his coat is kinda gray and all... what if Allen will become like the Earl in the future considering the fact that Allen's awakened innocence power was the sword that cuts only evil... which was the same sword as the Earl's as he himself mentioned it... wasn't the Earl already defeated back then as narrated in the story... then he returned again... what if the Earl used to be the exorcist that defeated the previous Earl... and after sometime eventually became the Earl himself through some event... could also make as an explanation why the old guys are getting so worked up about Allen... maybe they're afraid that Allen would become the next Earl?? i dunno... just my theory anyways...

[archite]

If that's the case, then that would make Allen a part-human, akuma, noah and exorcist. The noah and akuma self are both born from the dark matter explaining how they seem to work together in the case that "the stronger the curse becomes, the stronger the shadow can manifest itself". If that's true, this could also explain why Allen's left hand seems to be breaking down at one point (DGM vol.5, forgot the chap) since the recent evolution of his curse seems to cause an unbalance between the different parts of Allen. His innocence which belongs to the white matter (human and exorcist parts) seems to be overwhelmed by the dark matter causing the innocence to break apart.

After Allen's innocence evolved into the crown clown, this somehow struck a balance between all 4 parts of Allen again. This seemingly makes Allen Walker's existence to only be looked upon as a vessel for all four different types of beings which co- exist in the DGM world.

Franchike, your theory was wickedly awesome but I think there might be more to it though I can't really explain it... I read from somewhere about the meaning of the title " D.Gray- Man " ( thank the person whoever he/she is for this).

The "D" represents dolls; Gray is a mixture of black and white (good and evil); Man simply represents human beings. This all add up to mean that Human Beings are dolls manipulated by good and evil.

I don't really understand how Allen can become "grey" when he is already. He resides in the middle of good and evil (white and dark matter) explaining how Hevalaska (dunnoe the sp) could refer to him as the Destroyer of time.

All this thinking is kinda giving me a headache. Currently, all I want to know is what the shadow would do to Allen...

[ShootingStar~]

The "D" represents dolls; Gray is a mixture of black and white (good and evil); Man simply represents human beings. This all add up to mean that Human Beings are dolls manipulated by good and evil.


That is so awesome @__@. So believable too!

[TouchofEvil]

I thought the D was for the D shaped curse on his right eye and gray was for his hair...

[akaidaishi]

there is that fact...but duno if anyone can explain that *shrugs*

i like hopeless' theory about allen suceeding the earl cos of the similarity of the weapon XD (makes you wonder what the hitler-look-alike will do to him IF he turns out to be the 14th =_=;;)

archite's theory is also good about how allen can represent the different "races" in DGM

D for dolls, huh? interesting XD

lol i really can't think that far and you guys are awesome thinkers :D

[TouchofEvil]

there are those who claim that allen isn't the boy's name... it's just his initials: LN Walker (dont know what the l stands for, but the N would mean Noah)

[akaidaishi]

Now why would they do that? Just so they could include a Noah inheritance? D:
When in terms of mystery in names, Lavi is most likely bearing the Bookman alias, so why doesn't anyone come up with a theory on that instead on obsessing on Allen all the time?

Those claims have the slimmest of all chances to be true....try writing a letter to Hoshino Katsura or something. :\

[Hopeless]

there are those who claim that allen isn't the boy's name... it's just his initials: LN Walker (dont know what the l stands for, but the N would mean Noah)

If N would stand for Noah... maybe L stands for Last... this kinda supports the theory about Allen becoming the 14th Noah... there's a possibility anyway ^^...

[Hopeless]

Now why would they do that? Just so they could include a Noah inheritance? D:
When in terms of mystery in names, Lavi is most likely bearing the Bookman alias, so why doesn't anyone come up with a theory on that instead on obsessing on Allen all the time?

Those claims have the slimmest of all chances to be true....try writing a letter to Hoshino Katsura or something. :\

Well lots of people focus on Allen cause he's the main protagonist anyway... and adding that fact that the story's been recently focused on him for quite a number of chapters already so... could be the main reason why people are "obsessing" on him... anyway Lavi nor his history hasn't been opened up so much yet... only the facts that his name isn't really Lavi and that he's only been acting for quite a time since he and Bookman joined the Order... probably when the mangaka broadens the scope on Lavi's character further will you see more discussions about him =P...

i don't think writing a letter to Hoshino Katsura would do any good for any of us... i mean if i was the author i would think like this: "wouldn't it be better to keep the readers guessing?? That way they'll be more interested in knowing how the story will unfold... thus making sure they stay glued to my manga..." most mangakas really don't divulge their plans for their mangas and characters... probably just a few slips and pieces but never really anything to spoil the fun of reading the story...

[Darkreaper70]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/my7y52

chap 138 is out

[Raijuu]

It should be on OM soon but meh... Ill download it, I cant wait what happens in that chapter.

[Darkreaper70]

wow this really sucks

invasion !!! johnny nooo :(

[ShootingStar~]

OMG. That was such a cliffhanger ;; Looks like the Noah in one of the OPs of D.Gray-man. Anyone remember?

[Hopeless]

Noooooooooooooooooo.... don't spoil the fun!!.... heheh j/k i'll wait for the release here in onemanga... no hurry ^^...

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

WAhhh chapter 138.. crazy.

Can't believe those tards suspect Allen. Nuuuu the glasses science guy got impaled NUUUU

[Hopeless]

Holy sh*t!! It's Lulubell... poor glasses guy... had to be the one to take the fall eh?... if he dies... oh well at least he'll see Suman again and they could play chess in the afterlife hahaha...

the plant's gonna be stolen... i'm sure of this...

Lulubell vs Allen??

[DlentSeltra]

So we can expect some KandaxLenalee fanfic's now...

[Hopeless]

lol... didn't see some chemistry there yet hahah... but definitely some are gonna pop up... anyway isn't it natural for most mangas anyway... especially with the ones with few girls... definitely going to be guy1xgirl , guy2xgirl,guy3xgirl and etc etc etc... ^^

[ShootingStar~]

I wanna see Cross pwn *** *__* Lavi's out, his weapon isn't fixed yet. Probably the same with Kanda x_x

[Raijuu]

that really sucks though. I mean, lavi and kanda are out, so that means linalee is going to have to use her innocence, which can have a huge effect on her body (by becoming a parasitic type)

[Hopeless]

Lenalee's out too... Hebraska took her boots away... what about Chouji?? lol... also Marie's supposed to be there too right?... didn't see anything saying about them leaving... and about Crowley... is he ok already?

[Raijuu]

well, all of the generals and exorcists are there and linalee could get her innocence back since it already has its own original shape.... but for what I have seen, it can also change its own shape... so who knows.

[archite]

I know that the evolution of lenalee's innocence is for the best but I'm still very against her innocence becoming a parasitic one. As seen in many chapters of the manga, parasite- type innocence usually look like a disfigured part of one's body. There are many examples shown by Allen. Crowley, Suman (more in the anime) etc. I mean that before Allen activates his innocence, his left arm is crimson red, covered with veins and longer than his right hand. It only looks better as he is usually wearing long sleeved clothes and a glove. When crowley activates his innocence you would sometimes notice that the veins in his gums (sometimes on his face) are showed rather obviously. As for suman, before he activate his innocence, his right hand is black, thumb pointed and there's a gem- like thingy stuck in his hand as well.

I really don't want chapter 71 to be repeated again and definitely not want to see Lenalee with a disfigured looking leg if the innocence doesn't evolve into the heart. Though this would be solved since manga is in black and white and Hoshino would let her wear long and tight- fitting clothings most of the time anyway but this still seems really wrong to me.

As for lulubell, I hope she gets what she deserve for stabbing Johnny. I really hate her in the anime and still hate her loads now.

[Hopeless]

Got a point there... wouldn't want those beautiful legs to become the opposite eh?? *LMAO* but maybe it might be different for her case this time... since her innocent was an equipment type to begin with so... might become an exception??...

[Sasori]

i dont thinklullabel is gonna fight and if so all d generals plus choji and bookman r d only one capaple. but its about time somethink good happen dgm was beeginig to get boring and maby tiki comes back

[Raijuu]

.... I dont really see tiky coming back anytime soon. It would be too annoying :D I think the new noah is good enough. Either way, the background looked like there was a bunch of level three akuma, this might get a little messy... but then again, it looks like we are back to the action once more.

[Hito]

Lulebell got inside the order with a whole bunch of llevel 3s the order sure is slipping huh

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Well, considering all that's happened, everyone is probably running around frantically. Perhaps they didn't notice? And, on a side note, only Allen can actually see their true forms.

[Hopeless]

Yeah... only Allen can see their true forms BUT isn't it strange that they just appeared out of nowhere? one minute there's just 3 of them there but when Lulubell changes into her Noah form suddenly they're there behind her... or maybe it's just a flashy frame just to show the enemies that she brought with her but they're not really there yet??

[ShootingStar~]

Wuht happened to that scanning big faced thing D:

[Breeze~]

I can't wait for this weeks chapter to come out. I wonder if Lenalee will be put into battle and have a huge flashy change when she invocates. Oh and didn't the akuma come from a door kind of thing, it looks similar to one of the ark doors because of the number on top, maybe its from the new ark ,since some of it did actually download.

[akaidaishi]

lol we most probably will see linali use her innocence once again in the coming chapters since it looks like another bloody battle is starting
i'm not sure about how it will come out but maybe a little more flashy? i think the circular patterns on her leg hint to a new ability paired with the new parasitic characteristic

i feel really bad for johnny ;___;
but that should put some thought on who's the real traitor in the order since right now allen might be put out of the question

it's quite reasonable that the akuma and a noah would appear all of a sudden cos the earl was very frustrated with the stolen plant
the background behind lulubell are most likely the level 3 akuma ready for battle, which means that we get to see all of the generals in action, right? 8D
i wonder wha'ts the name of her ability though, sicne she is very much a shape-shifter?

[KingofBanditsX]

I predicted that Lulubell is gonna confuse the entire black order by say allen is our comrade and forcing everyone to believe it. Later on Allen will leave the Black order

[Hopeless]

i wonder wha'ts the name of her ability though, sicne she is very much a shape-shifter?

wonder how's her ability going to help her during a fight like this... i kinda find it useless in a head-on fight... unless she uses it to confuse different people by causing suspicion among different exorcists, there's really no other use for it in a fight... unlike road, tyki and skin (r.i.p. btw lol) whose abilities are more of battle types...

[KingofBanditsX]

Skin is dead for sure
Road is unknown because didn't she appear again forgot which chp
Tyki isn't dead, Earl saved him

[Hopeless]

i know that... just put the comment for skin only btw ~_~" road is seen with the earl when they went on the new ark along with the new tyki... was talking about their abilities and comparing that to lulubell's...

[KingofBanditsX]

I just realize that only Allen and the 4 other generals can defend against Lulubell but hey Allen can take lvl 3 Akumas like nothing and same with the generals

[Hopeless]

yeah i think his Crowned Clown ability is way too strong for lvl 3 akumas...

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Would anyone agree that Kanda isn't far off from Allen? Kanda also defeated a Noah. Actually, I was wondering what everyone thought about the scale of power among the good guys. In terms of giant leaps of strength, Allen would win that with his Crown Clown, but the others haven't received any noticeable change in Innocence form.

[KingofBanditsX]

Kanda got a little boost but Lenalee and Lavi might get a boost soon

[Hopeless]

Yeah probably Kanda and Lavi might get a boost since their innocences are in repair right now... not sure anyway since it's just repair... about Lenalee there will definitely be a big change once she uses it again... with her innocence turning parasite and all...

[Raijuu]

I agree, but right now I think they have to take care of the akuma and the noah that is attacking them. Kanda and Lavi arent going to be able to fight at all and Lenalee.... well, she might just stay in that room for all I care, maybe waiting for inocence to be completed. It also seems as if the new noah's power is to transform into other people... or maybe take control of other people.... who knows.

[Darkreaper70]

http://read.mangashare.com/D.Gray-man/chapter-139/page001.html
new chap is out

[xingese_alchemist]

wow. this new chapter is absolutely freaky. the way they line up the researchers so methodically and just as methodicallly determine who becomes a skull and who just plain dies. i hope allen dispenses some wrath on them.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Oh man, poor research guys.... snifffff!!!

Yes Slice that bastard in half Allen! ROCK ON!

next chapter should be good

[xingese_alchemist]

Now that I think about it, despite how awesome Allen's entrance was, how the heck did all those level 3 akuma NOT see him falling right toward the skull guy? I mean, sure, they're listening to the noah, but they have some instincts and one of them should be reacting to a fallling object, especially a shiny, pointy, object aimed at an ally.

But yea, next chapter should be good. Especially with Allen setting the tone "I will not forgive a single one of you". XD Major ownage to be dished out next week. (Unless the noah knocks him down first panel -.-)

[DlentSeltra]

Guy's...Cross is a Skull...Reread chapter 127 D:

[Hito]

I think that was just his mask because it receaded back and even the skull guy said he wasnt one of them, and looks like when your made into a skull ur skin is burned off and you become evil thats wat happened to tapp

[Raijuu]

Well, where did that mask come from? >.> I dont know but I also agree that cross could be a skull as well. Anyway, I was wondering what were those guys that cross killed before meeting allen, now I know.

In general, this chapter was pretty messed up but it was ok, I would have expected some more fighting but... what you gonna do -_-"

[TouchofEvil]

Well, where did that mask come from? >.> I dont know but I also agree that cross could be a skull as well. Anyway, I was wondering what were those guys that cross killed before meeting allen, now I know.

In general, this chapter was pretty messed up but it was ok, I would have expected some more fighting but... what you gonna do -_-"

perhaps the thirteenth saved cross after rebelling?

[ShootingStar~]

Can't wait for next chapter~ Wonder if the others found out yet. I wanna see ALL generals in action ´▽`

[Hito]

well it is said that cross knows magic like how he controls maria and delays the download of the akuma egg so maybe either he made the mask from magic or he made it into a disguise by using magic

[akaidaishi]

i feel so bad for the researchers ;___; be either a skull or dead (lesser of two evils?)
i think Cross isn't a skull but he can definitely use magic (matches the time period)
i agree with Hito that he just used the mask or his magic as his disguise

Now that I think about it, despite how awesome Allen's entrance was, how the heck did all those level 3 akuma NOT see him falling right toward the skull guy? I mean, sure, they're listening to the noah, but they have some instincts and one of them should be reacting to a fallling object, especially a shiny, pointy, object aimed at an ally.

But yea, next chapter should be good. Especially with Allen setting the tone "I will not forgive a single one of you". XD Major ownage to be dished out next week. (Unless the noah knocks him down first panel -.-)

it really depends
he could be just too fast or the ark shielded his innocence's presence
and to add, i think this refutes the idea some people had about his sword not being able to cut anyhting but noahs

[DlentSeltra]

I think his sword will Kill Akuma, Skull's, and the Earl.

[Hopeless]

wow... that was one heart-pounding chapter... poor researchers... being treated like products coming from a factory... destroying defective/inefficient products and keeping only those that met the standards...

those akuma suck you know... none of them even noticed reever until he shot the skull... much less notice Allen when he entered... wonder who would also enter from the ark... Lavi's pretty much useless without his innocence... and only bookman was shown with them...

nice timing Allen heheh... perfect entrance along with the perfectly cliche "Allen setting the tone "I will not forgive a single one of you"... cliche though still perfect for the mood...

hmm... about cross i don't think he's a skull... even the skull he killed said that he wasn't one of them... i think it's a disguise that he just used to infiltrate the plant...

[Hopeless]

it really depends
he could be just too fast or the ark shielded his innocence's presence
and to add, i think this refutes the idea some people had about his sword not being able to cut anyhting but noahs

well Allen himself said his sword cuts nothing but evil... so basically skulls = evil, akumas = evil...

[ShootingStar~]

Like DlentSeltra said, re-read chapter 127. It SHOWS Cross transforming back to human from a skull O:

[archite]

Like DlentSeltra said, re-read chapter 127. It SHOWS Cross transforming back to human from a skull O:

Erm, no offence but I don't think that Cross was even a skull in the first place. Personally, I think that Cross just infiltrated the ark by disguising himself as a skull. Once inside, he makes sure the Earl is not around and starts killing all the guards. I mean Cross wouldn't let some dumb- looking skull guy (that Lulubell- the noah, refer to as researchers) touch his forehead and turn him into a skull without resisting one bit or let alone someone other than a beautiful woman touch him at all.

The transformation seemed to be done using magic seeing the weird symbols that last appeared when we saw cross trying to delay the transportation of the egg plant so Tapp might be able to turn back to normal with magic as well.

I'm glad Reever, Bak, Johnny and some of the science ppl are still alive at the very least ( Where's 65?). As for Lulubell, it seemed pretty stupid to me when she just announce her powers (transformation) when doing the self- intro thing. I mean at least conceal your powers from your opponents and create some suspense though it's pretty obvious what your power is after everyone sees you turning from Oceanian Branch Head to noah but the action itself is just dumbarse.

I wish that the story might at least explain its definitions of magic cause things are different in every story and much are unexplained regarding it. What can it do (kill akumas etc.),how do you posses or learn it and what are its limits.

Oh yeah, this might be completely random but have anyone other than me realised that there are many strange symbols / shapes/ patterns in the story. There's the occasional gears appearing from nowhere, beehive- liked patterns (mostly on the face), pentacle shape of Allen's eye (with the star perched on top), strange symbol that looks like an "S" or "3" or Kanda's chest, swirly stuff on lenalee's leg while she couldn't use them, ancient seals that Lavi's innocence use, the magic symbols, the music script that Mana and Allen created and much more. Maybe Hoshino has a knack for it, I dunnoe that much anyway.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

1 thing.. HOW DOES NO ONE NOTICE A FREAKING HUGE GROUP OF AKUMA in their very own HQ??......

Was it not established by Lavi that normal Excorsists without abilities like Allen's Eye have gotten used to who is an Akuma and who is really human?

[Raijuu]

...... well, even allen didnt find out that there was a huge amount of akuma until they actually appeared.... they werent in there to begin with, they were at the other ark that the earl made and then they came out of that ark. Also, what lavi said is that the normal exorcists looked at everyone they saw as an enemy, because they didnt have the power to see who is an akuma and who isnt.

[akaidaishi]

i think when lavi says that they treat everyone as an enemy he meant the people outside the order who are not exorcists or branch heads (like komui and bak)
in addition, no one really notices an akuma because humans don't usually have high spiritual abilities but their own intuition
wha'ts more is using the new ark, noah and akuma can easily and quietly enter the black order
the same happened in the asia branch when allen, fou, bak and the other officers were caught off guard when a level 3 akuma appeared

at least now they do know that the HQ is under attack and hopefully lavi and howard will start informing the other members, especially the generals.

i wonder if lulubell was ordered to taket he egg or the old ark as well, although that might be a little impossible since allen now technically "controls" the old ark

[Raijuu]

Im still wondering how did allen got into the room though.... I mean, it was sealed shut with that black stuff... either way, I dont think allen ould be able to really take on all those level 3 akuma plus the noah at once.... so yea, Im guessing that the generals might be showing up as well.

[Hito]

allen used the ark to get in didnt you see the entrance thing above him? and I think the generals should be comeing any time now or maybe lulubell sent alot of akuma thier way cause they are the biggest threat so y not make sure they cant get to the egg first right?

[Hopeless]

As for Lulubell, it seemed pretty stupid to me when she just announce her powers (transformation) when doing the self- intro thing. I mean at least conceal your powers from your opponents and create some suspense though it's pretty obvious what your power is after everyone sees you turning from Oceanian Branch Head to noah but the action itself is just dumbarse.


yeah i agree with this... plain stupid to do that... at least have your enemy make some assumptions that that's not the only thing you can do...


i wonder if lulubell was ordered to taket he egg or the old ark as well, although that might be a little impossible since allen now technically "controls" the old ark

i think it's ONLY to take back the egg and get some new guards... the earl also made it clear that he didn't want anything to do with the old ark anymore because he felt that it was "tainted" by human hands thus trying to destroy it after downloading all the data from it into the new ark...

[Lamentia]

After rereading Noahs Memory 4, I have a feeling I know what's in the future for Allen where that shadow is concerned. Maybe the Order has a reason to keep him under watch. Oo

Ah, you too? I've been thinking the same thing for quite a bit, but, I wouldn't say that Allen would completely go all insane like that buff noah guy.

[akaidaishi]

well, that was stupid of lulubell but i think that's also like a defense tactic in itself...
like, do they know whether she's telling is the truth or not (being a noah)?
and if she can transform then it's possible that the "face" she is showing now might be fake (like how debitto and jasdero became jasdebi)
i know that she already showed her "white self" in the anime but that can also be a lie (although i get the impression she doesn't tend to lie)

got one question though, when she transforms, she doesn't copy the person's ability, right? (just making sure cos i can be wrong)

[Colbyjack]

Hmm. I'm surprised johnny survived! I mean, didn't he get impaled through the chest? As for Tapp, what do you think is going to happen to him now that he's become a "skull"?

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Hmm. I'm surprised johnny survived! I mean, didn't he get impaled through the chest? As for Tapp, what do you think is going to happen to him now that he's become a "skull"?

I think Allen or someone else will kill him.

I'm unsure if the skulls are Akuma, but Allen lives to destroy Akuma to liberate their tormented souls, right?

Either that, or.. they gut him inside out and learn about a "skull's" body, or they keep him as is :D

[Hopeless]

maybe Tapp can still be saved... with Allen's sword it doesn't seem like an impossible task... remember how he cut Tyki's Noah and didn't actually hurt him... maybe if he impaled Tapp with the sword, he'll revert back since it's only the evil that gets cut...

i know that she already showed her "white self" in the anime but that can also be a lie (although i get the impression she doesn't tend to lie)
this is the reason why i hate it when the anime decides to have a different plot/story other than the one intended originally in the manga... it muddles up the story...

[tsunade666]

that only applies because tikky is a noah and the crown clown sword will not harm the body if its still a human but if tapp is really a akuma now it will kill him.

and the anime of d-grayman is a crap lots of filler arc that is useless and hindrance to the manga.So they intend to change the flow in the manga into a different plot.

[Raijuu]

lol... thats true... the only thing I was suprised about is that they actually got the other new noah right. Although, I think the anime will actualy get to a point were it will have to go back into the same plot as the manga, when they stop all of the stupid fillers that is >.>

[akaidaishi]

The fillers are really dragging and makes me feel really disappointed
I think the anime is catching up a bit on the manga's plot but they're still a few ways off
I hope they don't drag the fighting, too, cos that would really suck :<
although i have to say, i'm glad the animation improved a bit from the fillers

[Raijuu]

Yes, thats the good part of it. Still, I think they have to drag it on a little, since they are pretty close to the last chapters of the manga, and considering that the anime goes faster than the manga, they have to stop and do all those fillers until they wait for the right moment (as the manga goes on) and go back to the plot. This is the same thing that happened with Naruto, the anime was getting too close to the manga so they have to do the fillers until the manga picked up again.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

IMO, they should have waited until the manga was way ahead before even starting the anime. Man, I was looking forward to the anime, but now it's a piece of turd >.>

[Hito]

do you think that when lavi's and kanda's big hammer.little hammer and mugen are fixed they'll look any different, cause I've been wondering they were destroyed pretty badly so amybe they need a total makeover

[akaidaishi]

if i could vote on that, i would go for a total makeover!
allen and krory already got their "upgrades" and linali's coming up soon, so why not lavi's and kanda's weapon as well? 8D
it's quite possible since now that they now the limit of the weapon, they can come up with a sturdier and (hopefully) cooler design ^__^
hoshino-sensei seems to also have a knack for changing designs (like the black order uniforms and switching scenes from country to country)

[tsunade666]

krory got his update?
I think his innocence just change on its own like the crown clown maybe the parasite type weapon change on their own but the weapon type needs to be created or upgraded.

[Hito]

I think thats just another ability of his innocence like how he can inject his blood into akuma to kill them or coat his fist in blood armor

[Raijuu]

.... yeah, the weapon type innocence needs to be upgraded, but since you really cant change or actually do anything to the body, the parasite type just upgrades by the owners own feelings, or experiences, in other words, it gains experience along with the one who uses it.

[Hito]

no I think the parasite upgrades by the synchro rate like allens went up to that cannon then to the crown clown edge then the blade

[Raijuu]

..... thats what I meant by experience... but instead of training by exercising, is more of a put in life or death situation or just a huge feeling about something, thats when the parasite innocence reacts. ("Synco rate" is pretty much that, its like the innocence and the owner both become stronger.)

[Hito]

but equipment types upgrade threw synchro too(dont they?), like how linalees dark boots changed apearance from when they met road to when they were on they boat, they had those sound shackles, and how kanda learns new moves mugen and how lavi learns new seals for his big hammer,little hammer

[akaidaishi]

i think it's also important that the user "learns" more about the innocence so it can also chang its form
like when allen was trying to retrieve his dispersed innocence
when they were under attack, allen understood the REAL purpose of himself and his innocence, thus he got the crown clown

so in short it's a bit of everything, from using the innocence to incorporating feelings, that increase the compatibility of the innoncence and user

[Raijuu]

well, if they actually upgraded lavi's and kanda's innocences, I wonder what "new" powers would they have? Maybe they are just stronger in power but with the same abilities. Maybe they also change their shape as well, that would be cool.

[Raijuu]

well, next chapter is up on the main site. Nothing much happened, other than lenalee and lavi got kciked out of the fight and locked into the hospital room. Also, we found out about the experiments that lenalee's brother (forgot his name) was doing with the innocence.

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Her brother's name is Komui.

Yeah, this chapter was kind of uneventful. They even made it shorter on purpose..

The small action scene was hard to understand. I think Bookman threw Allen in the air and he.. cut the Akuma? Or did he use some kind of technique?

Lol if those other exorcists don't come soon Allen and Bookman = dead meat

By the way, since Krory, Allen, and Lenalee (maybe, but most likely) are parasitic types, does that mean they will die earlier because of the whole sucking their life force thing?

[Raijuu]

i dont know, they did say something about loosing their life force when they used it too much, so Im guessing yes, but this make the parasite type even stronger when it comes to fighting.

Yeah, the old bookman use his innocence to lift allen up into the air and he just jumped down and used cross grave or something >.>

Ah, we also found out that allen got inside the room thanks to the ark :D that was beginning to bug me.

[Hopeless]

eh? you didn't notice that at once? the ark was shown when allen arrived...

chapter was pretty boring... yep if the generals don't arrive at once allen and bookman = deadmeat, there's too many lvl 3 to handle at once... or are they really lvl 3?? Allen disposes of them with cross grave just like lvl 1 akumas back then lol...

[archite]

It's Allen and Bookman combo attack XD , lol .I agree that the chapter is pretty much useless. Other than the fact lenalee wants t go go through the weird experiment, nothing much was learned. I doubt that she'll ever be turn into a togaochi anyway, hoshino once mentioned in the manga (it's in book1, not sure if it's included in the scans) that she was the "ideal" character created b4 Allen and possibly one that she would never replace.

I cannot ever imagine her a a togaochi. Firstly, her hair is alrdy short to the extreme that she's starting to resemble a guy and note that if she ever becomes a togaochi, she'll become bald. She will be *ahem* naked as well, so I much rather the experiment worked though there are bound to be side effects.

The chapter is short of around 4 pages *sigh* Hopefully, there might be some colored pages in the chapters during the next 2 weeks since christmas is coming though that dosen't mean Hoshino can slack off and give us missing pages. I actually bothered to type these stuff twice though its 3am in the morning cse my com crashed on me but oh well, that's all.

Oh yea, regarding cross grave, I'm not sure bout it but when Allen use it in Alpha form (the original one), he could kill a bunch of lvl1s. During Gamma (the claw one), he could kill one lvl3 (possibly more) so if he used cross grave in his omega form (gigantic sword), he should be able to kill a heck lot of akuma but that's just my theory about it.

[akaidaishi]

quite a boring chapter indeed *sigh*

i don't think they'll be dead meat, since they're disposing all the lvl 3 very easily
but once lulubell escapes they might not have enough energy left to stop her

i think what lenalee said about "being prepared" and seeing her situation as a test is interesting
she might have a good synch rate cos, unlike suman and the other boy who was experimented, she has a very good resolve to help her friends
i almost doubt she'll turn into a togaochi

[SKATEateer]

wait so mana was the 14th ? or 13th .. whichever number that was an extra from what we expected of the children of moses or something/.???!??!????

[Raijuu]

why do you have to say that in spoiler tags?.... everybody knows that already.

yeah, the funny thing is that it took lenalee almost her life and a whole boat to beat a lvl3 akuma, and allen kills them like they were a bunch of ants.... -_-"

[Hopeless]

well allen's got his innocence ratio to 100% already and it's been upgraded a lot from it's first form...

[akaidaishi]

rather than 100%, he got it over 100% cos his weapon is a potential general-level upgrade (read the chapter where allen fought tyki)

linali only got it to 100% and plus at that time she was a euipment-type
parasite-types seem to be more effective on akuma (as implied in the manga), so i think linali would tire out faster than even if she got her synch rate over 100%

cross should just enter the battlefield and start shooting crazy
that way it's quick and neat :P
plus, he'll be at a better footing with a noah than both allen and bookman

[Hopeless]

however i think cross won't enter just yet... he'll be entering at a crucial point and save the day... like when Allen was fighting Tyki after he changed lol...

wonder why when akumas evolve they don't use their poison bullets anymore... it's their most powerful weapon if you think about it... one clean shot and bam you're dead! instead they like to beat up their enemies with fist and other weapons... given their increase in speed and power they could hit the exorcists with much ease than the lvl 1s right? it's kind of stupid lol...

[xingese_alchemist]

lol it's a shonen. (it is, right?) with an upgrade in speed and power, fodder enemies will forfeit some prior advantage that made them seem invincible for no sensible reason. example- akumas.

agreed on the importance of cross' entry. although the way it seems like allen was set up, i have a feeling cross' entry will be slightly delayed?

[akaidaishi]

well, it was just a thought...i hate to see another fight drag along some chapters again

that's the way it goes i guess... you win some, you lose some
although i think lvl 3 akuma with developed body parts are more helpful to the noah
either way, lvl 1 or lvl 3, they'll be pwned by exorcists :)

[archite]

The theory of the bullets really make sense but I think that its probably just for the sake of customizing the akuma's weapon (long range, short range, etc.) and the attack still contains poison unless it's a physical one.

I think that in the following chapter, something like this would happen:

Lenalee is in despair as she cannot fight while Allen, bookman and the other exorcists are struggling in their fight with the level 3s. The skull turns more innocent people into guards and screams fill the entire place (Lulubell continues b****ing). For some reason, these screams could be heard from Krory's Ward. A visible tear is seen on lenalee's cheek even with her head lowered. Lavi notices this and tries to comfort her. Just then, an obviously annoyed Kanda is thrown into the ward as well. With the two boys' help, the 3 exorcists destroy the door and break through the barrier. The chapter ends with the three exorcists heading towards the direction where Hevalaska is (or maybe just lenalee while the guys leave to help the others) and then there's the caption that will say something like " What fate awaits Lenalee and the rest of the headquarter?" or "Will Lenalee reach Hevalaska in time to help the others?".

That's all, but this is just my assumption of what might happen so don't take it too seriously. By the way, even though this is definitely the wrong time to ask a random question like this since everyone is in deep thought over lenalee and allen's innocence but who reading this has read "Zone" (The prototype of DGM ) before?

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/archite/zone-logo.jpg

[Hopeless]

The theory of the bullets really make sense but I think that its probably just for the sake of customizing the akuma's weapon (long range, short range, etc.) and the attack still contains poison unless it's a physical one.

I think that in the following chapter, something like this would happen:

Lenalee is in despair as she cannot fight while Allen, bookman and the other exorcists are struggling in their fight with the level 3s. The skull turns more innocent people into guards and screams fill the entire place (Lulubell continues b****ing). For some reason, these screams could be heard from Krory's Ward. A visible tear is seen on lenalee's cheek even with her head lowered. Lavi notices this and tries to comfort her. Just then, an obviously annoyed Kanda is thrown into the ward as well. With the two boys' help, the 3 exorcists destroy the door and break through the barrier. The chapter ends with the three exorcists heading towards the direction where Hevalaska is (or maybe just lenalee while the guys leave to help the others) and then there's the caption that will say something like " What fate awaits Lenalee and the rest of the headquarter?" or "Will Lenalee reach Hevalaska in time to help the others?".

That's all, but this is just my assumption of what might happen so don't take it too seriously. By the way, even though this is definitely the wrong time to ask a random question like this since everyone is in deep thought over lenalee and allen's innocence but who reading this has read "Zone" (The prototype of DGM ) before?

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/archite/zone-logo.jpg

lol your theory about the next chapter's so detailed... i just might believe it haha... except for the fact of how they'll be able to break down the barrier with their bare hands =P...

[tsunade666]

I haven't heard of zone yet.
and the theory has to much details in it.Its like a preview of what may happen rather than just an assumption.

[archite]

Sorry about the long assumption, did not really meant to create that effect.

Thanks, hopeless for pointing out the mistake about simply breaking the barrier with the bare hands but there's always a possibility that krory might wake up and help the rest break the barrier since he's the only person with an innocence in the room. Anyway, some lvl3 or lvl2 akumas might decide to attack the ward, causing the barrier to be destroyed.

Some unknown lvl2 akuma once pointed out that akumas above lvl 1 can no longer be retained or blocked with a barrier and could deactivate it easily though the process requires quite some time.

You can read the translation of zone at: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-18480.html

and you can download the raw at:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bndmy4zoxs1

(I'm just typing this cause I know how some people like me have problems downloading files but maybe it's just me since I'm a complete retard. Anyway, the point is if you wanna download the file, download and install the trial version of WinRar first at sites like:

http://www.shareit.com/product.html?productid=300012381&affiliateid=200048175

You can go install whatever software you think you need and please remember that this is just a suggestion. Btw, you can decide whether you wanna buy it later. Then, go and download your files:))

Seriously, I had some troubles with the darn downloading, reading it directly online is so much easier, ty Onemanga for existing on earth.

[xingese_alchemist]

i was trying to vote between greed and komui on omcb, and i noticed that the similarities between dgm and fma are more than just allen and ed (although that's probably been discussed)
just my quick thoughts on how similar it is, there's obviously more similarities:
ed-allen - short, shrimps, unique in the sense of their abilities
hughes- komui - fun loving, yet care deeply for family
mustang- kanda - call ed/allen shrimps
hoho - allen's dad (forgot name ><) - mysterious throughout a lot of the mangas and are somewhat related to the enemies
father - earl - main enemy with a big plan for the world
homunculi - noah - enemies with unique abilities and deep loyalties to the main enemy; they also love messing around with the main person
ling yao - lavi - at one point or another turned to another faction (although lavi's was forced and ling yao's was more willing)
state alchemists - exorcists - special group within a larger order
cross - izumi - "don't care" attitude initially to situation

anyways,newest ch is out on mangashare.com
general's coming in? completely awesome
it's a sorta sad chapter too if u consider how many researchers were turned into skulls. and what's happening with bookman and stuff

[methaniel]

Wow, Tthe next chapter is gonna rock! All the generals are coming, it smells like a loss for Akuma, gnehehe!

[Spade]

Finally I caught up with this Manga, hello DGM-topic. I'll be visiting you regularly now!

...hey, where are you running off to? T.T

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next chapter. I've been waiting to see Sokaro in action since the first time I saw him. I don't expect much of a fight from random Akuma but still, it's better than nothing.

btw, as a German I was shocked to see that supervisor-guy who looks kinda like Hitler. Seriously, that's not cool, I feel quite offended. X.x

Edit: Another thing I needed to say for a long time. I really like Lenalee but... why? WHY do all girls in Mangas that I really like lose their beautiful long hair for some reason or another? ;(

[methaniel]

Well, that's true the supervisor have some similitudes with Hitler, but maybe he's not that bad (even if with this image, he doesn't look very kind...)

[akaidaishi]

i don't think the manga artist intended to offend anybody but she maybe used that chara for the sake of the time period and the events...sorry, Spade, though if you feel the least offended

the best chapter (during the fighting) so far with the appearance of the generals :D
let's see how lulubell is gona bring the egg now, although it might be too late for the researchers *sob* poor researchers...
miranda's power is awesome as always even though it has no offensive value whatsoever
what's gona happen to bookman, now? i wonder if the black order can cure him :(

[methaniel]

I don't think Bookman is gonna die, it looks like something for immoboliz the opponent and the generals came before the akuma gave a final stroke (hopefully)

[Kung-Fu Pikachu]

Hmm. Them generals have come! Finally. Time to see some *** kicking. I hope Bookman doesn't die.

[ShootingStar~]

Yesss...! Generals! :D

Oh god, I hope Bookman is alright ;__;

[Raijuu]

lol... I dont think the bookman is going to die... at least, not when lavi isnt there to say a few words :D

I also hope we can see some of the other general's abilities, like the masked guy and the girl.... I feel bad for the akuma now...

[Hopeless]

yeah bookman's not gonna die yet... Lavi's not around... it has to be a cliche death lol... with someone mourning dearly right before he kicks the bucket...


damn they sure took their time to arrive... heheh i still think the plant's going to get taken though... they'll run out of akumas soon lol so the earl needs to get the plant again for the story to have more akumas appearing hehe...

[akaidaishi]

by the way, is the plant for manufacturing dark matter, which is used for the akuma's body?

and i've been waiting to see sokaro (masked man) and cloud (lady) show their abilities :D