Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles

[RhyssaFireheart]

Continue discussing Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles here.

From the old thread (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=42271):

Damn right Bethhy does want that. O':





...CLAMP could, maybe... one day draw a kiss... it's never to late to start...

But one little Syaoran x Sakura scene wouldn't hurt. They've been through so much hurt and angst, they need a little break. :'< But if they don't, I will work hard to draw the perfect kiss scene for them!!!
Obviously I didn't expect them to kiss as soon as they saw each other in chapter 222, trust me I was over the moon after that, but over time when they've been together for a while and they're comfortable with showing fluffy affections, it would be nice...

/random nosebleed~

Hey, when is 223 out? Next week, I bloody well hope.

Indeed it is. :'3
/giddy~

Good! Time for definitive answers, CLAMP! Stop skirting the issue (I'm starting to think they monitor us O_o)

I know all of you guys are like Itoshiki here ;) when it comes to CLAMP


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/GLSteve/despair.gif

Yup, That's helly true.
Umm... Since chapter 222 out on 8 June, then chapter 223 will out on 15? Hm hm.. Don't know really, it isn't fixed.

Yosh, I'm on Tsuki's interpretation. To be more precise, I'm thinking a closed time-loop, such that Reincarnated Clones had been R Couple's parents since the very start, hence CCS doesn't enter into the picture. Hence the xxxHolic-MKR timeline world needs only to split once (with regards to RSyaoran and Watanuki's birth).

And Yuuko's decisively gone on both series now :cry:

[GChan]

just read the newest chapter.

Is this ending soon? Because it sure it seemed like it.

[Ryo-Chan]

Well i heard somewhere that TRC is ending this year... Might not be true tho..

[ggctuk]

Well, it is, because CLAMP stats Mangettes Gate 7 in 2010. But it was due for 2009 initially, so it just proves that the end is further than we all thought it to be :P

One Clow, two Sakura and Syaorans, that needs an answer. Regardless of a loop, if there was one Clow Reed, how could there be two Sakuras and two Syaorans who are related by blood to him?

Also, now the mystery behind Eriol's absence is solved - he doesn't exist. Clow altered his past when R!Syaoran reversed time, so Clow did not reincarnate. Thus, what we have is a variant of the CCS timeline, I believe. Much like the variant of the Clow Country timeline.

[BethhyTheMokona]

...que!?

[Vande]

Also, now the mystery behind Eriol's absence is solved - he doesn't exist. Clow altered his past when R!Syaoran reversed time, so Clow did not reincarnate. Thus, what we have is a variant of the CCS timeline, I believe. Much like the variant of the Clow Country timeline.

I must have missed that O.o (well the confirm on it)

Ah i hate you clamp....
17/6 - Shonen Magazine #29 - Chapter 223.
24/6 - Shonen Magazine #30 - No Tsubasa scheduled.
1/7 - Shonen Magazine #31 - No Tsubasa scheduled.

[BethhyTheMokona]

oh buggary bugger. :'<
They better not leave us on a cliffhanger...
Oh, this is CLAMP, so that's what we'll be getting.
.../boohoo

[Vande]

I bet they do leave us on a Cliffhanger XD

[BethhyTheMokona]

Since when have they not!?

[ggctuk]

Uhm... (quickly scans through all 222 chapters, checks release dates against one another)

Nope. Nowhere where they haven't left cliffhangers. At this rate, TRC will be finished after Mangettes Gate 7 comes out in 2010.

[station to station]

Also, now the mystery behind Eriol's absence is solved - he doesn't exist. Clow altered his past when R!Syaoran reversed time, so Clow did not reincarnate. Thus, what we have is a variant of the CCS timeline, I believe. Much like the variant of the Clow Country timeline.

I HIGHLY doubt that. You still see Yue and Kero in xxxHolic (or was it TRC?) when Yuuko talked about how Clow sacrificed his time with his loved ones to help C!Sakura.

There's only been one Clow, and this fact can be used as prove the parents are in fact CCS Syaoran and Sakura. (R!Syaoran thinks about how Clow was his father's ancestor.) Despite their similar appearances, the Clones (or now Reincarnated Clones) are not related to Clow.

I don't think CLAMP would go so far as to create a separate timeline for their previous works, being extremely careful to preserve each series as much as possible while still involving their characters as much as they can. (I mean, what better way to fan-service than to create use a multi-verse theory?)

[CVI]

Hmm... That makes sense...
But, uh... @_@
I think I will just waiting for chapter 223 than thinking and searching for the nonsense-theory... That makes my brain suck.

[Ryo-Chan]

Also, now the mystery behind Eriol's absence is solved - he doesn't exist. Clow altered his past when R!Syaoran reversed time, so Clow did not reincarnate. Thus, what we have is a variant of the CCS timeline, I believe. Much like the variant of the Clow Country timeline.

Explain Fujitaka

[Lone_ant]

I disagree. Although there is no doubt that there has been only one Clow Reed. TRC is mostly unconnected with CCS. For one thing, having CCS = F/MSakura (which are the Reincarnated Clones) would render moot the CCS ending because we all know what the parents would have to go through, and more concretely, the two didn't have memories of their previous lives.

Clow is related to both CCS Sakura and F/M because he dimension hopped precisely because of the ensuing events (that he held himself partly responsible for).

[ggctuk]

I HIGHLY doubt that. You still see Yue and Kero in xxxHolic (or was it TRC?) when Yuuko talked about how Clow sacrificed his time with his loved ones to help C!Sakura.

You forgot one thing - Yue and Kero were made when the Clow Cards were. Eriol was born as Clow Reed died in CCS. By that time, i think Clow had already made the Clow Cards and the guardians.

As for the Fujitaka argument, in other worlds (and in the anime) he is not Clow reincarnated.

[BethhyTheMokona]

And ah repeat...
...que!?

/No news from CLAMP, 'cept an art video about nothing in perticular, so the release dates are still on for next Wednesday~♥!

[ggctuk]

I have another couple of arguments - while it's plausible that Syaoran could use the Jian sword, and rashinban glyph, Sakura would have to go through the whole Clow Card thing in some form or another as, if I recall correctly, the Star Circle only came about after Sakura captured the final Clow Cards in CCS. We're assuming this never happens in this world.

Plus, in each world we've come across so far, we've had different versions of characters with different/no powers. For instance, princess Tomoyo has magic powers, whereas Piffle's Tomoyo, and CCS's Tomoyo, do not. There's been different variants of many characters in each world, with different powers in each world. This further supports my theory of a split world - why, if they were alternatives, would they wield the exact same powers, and why would Syaoran use the exact same Jian sword.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Oh my, isn't Syaoran's sword called 'Hien', or are we talking about the other one?
/fails at being a good TRC fan. :'<
We'll have to find out, and seeing as this is an incredibly complicated story, would there be any holes in the story that hasn't been explained fully? It;s very easy for CLAMP to miss out even the slightest detail which could topple the whole story.

[ggctuk]

The Clone's was Hien. The Original's is the Jian (inhertied from his father, which apparently may be the reincarnated Clone).

Actually, if this is true, does that not make R!Syaoran's relationship with R!Sakura all-the-more wrong?

I'm currentl writing a list of plusses and antis of whether the Clones became the parents.

[Ryo-Chan]

I have another couple of arguments - while it's plausible that Syaoran could use the Jian sword, and rashinban glyph, Sakura would have to go through the whole Clow Card thing in some form or another as, if I recall correctly, the Star Circle only came about after Sakura captured the final Clow Cards in CCS. We're assuming this never happens in this world.



If my memory did not fail me, Sakura's circle DID appear in TRC and "Syaoran" exclaimed in surprised that 'that's mother's circle'

[CVI]

Yup ^^
When R!Sakura was stabbed by black wings in the past and the time was stopped by Priest Nadeshiko, the circle appeared, right below R!Syaoran.

[station to station]

I'm currentl writing a list of plusses and antis of whether the Clones became the parents.

So am I.

[ggctuk]

^ That was my point exactly. And another point I found last night - The Li line may be related to Clow Reed in CCS by blood, but only in CCS. Since there appears to be one Clow Reed, only one Li line could possibly be related by blood. Again supporting my theory of a time-split.

[Tsuki]

I think I'll wait for a few more chapters...

[Lone_ant]

Magic Circles are not reliable indicators of entity. Though perhaps of "soul"; in that diffrent alternate versions af a person have the same "essence" so to speak. As the various Syaoran's all have the same magic circle, as well as the various Sakura's, however FSyaoran was capable of using Clow's Circle.

Progression of Clow's events.
1. Yuuko's death and Clow's subconscious will stopping her time. (1st because this is the main event that started everything else, such as Clow's despair at being the most powerful magician)

2. Convoluted Plan No.1 a.k.a TRC = A way to undo Yuuko's stasis (also included is anticipation of FWR's plans though dreamseering)
2.1 leave Yue and Keroberos for Clow country (2nd , home of the clones)

3. Convouted Plan No.2 a.k.a CCS= A way for him to not be the most powerful mage in the world
3.1 Say goodbye to Yue and Keroberos and sealing them in The Clow
3.2 Splitting his soul for double reincarnation (his final spell as Clow Reed)

I don't think I made any mistake here, though corrections will be welcome.

[ggctuk]

True, because both Sakura and (priest) Yukito have used Clow's circle at some point or another.

However, as far as I could tell, Clow only ever visited one possible dimension where his presence altered the course of the future - Clow Country. This does not explain M!Sakura's and F!Syaoran's blood-relation to Clow, regardless of whether they are the clones or not.

[Ryo-Chan]

True, because both Sakura and (priest) Yukito have used Clow's circle at some point or another.

However, as far as I could tell, Clow only ever visited one possible dimension where his presence altered the course of the future - Clow Country. This does not explain M!Sakura's and F!Syaoran's blood-relation to Clow, regardless of whether they are the clones or not.

Priest Yukito DID NOT USE CLOW CIRCLE
http://bluemist.animeblogger.net/images/tsubasa/circle1.jpg
http://bluemist.animeblogger.net/images/tsubasa/circle2.jpg
Look at the centre of each circle and note the difference. Yuki's circle has a moon in the middle but clow's had a sun, altho sakura is blocking most of the sun, the diference can still be seen

[ggctuk]

I can't see either. In any case, in TRC chapter 1, it looks like Clow's circle, even if we can't see all of it. Remember, Clow was the one who taught Yukito how to use the same type of magic as Clow did.

[Just_A_Shinigami]

My first post here ^^
According to the spoiler on the clamp_now community, C!Syaoran and C!Sakura's reincarnations are really R!Syaoran's parents o.o....

[ggctuk]

They only have 222 spoilers tho, not 223. So I say it's speculation at best.

[Vande]

My first post here ^^
According to the spoiler on the clamp_now community, C!Syaoran and C!Sakura's reincarnations are really R!Syaoran's parents o.o....

Until i see proof i aint believing this one little bit. (no offense)

[ggctuk]

All I could find was comments on the speculation that the Clones are the parents. No confirmation. Wait for 223 or a future chapter.

[Just_A_Shinigami]

sorry....that post on the community was locked....so you have to join it to see the post...^^;;

The spoiler is posted on Clamp in Forumland too:
http://littlewolf-forumland.com/showthread.php?p=22843

[Vande]

I meant official source.

[BethhyTheMokona]

In any case, which is more likely? The clone's reincarnations as R!Syaoran's parents, or another alternate pair of Sakura and Syaoran? Or even CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran.
There is evidence for both CCS and Clones, which makes it all the more confusing and exciting!
I wouldn't be surprised if there were bettings on this.

[ggctuk]

In any case, the chapter hasn't been released yet. So how on earth could they possibly know? I have seen many fake spoilers (such as 'R!Syaoran's death') so don't take too much heed. All 'timelines' start at point 0 (in my theory), and modifications to either the past, present or future (even the tiniest choice) can make a new 'timeline'. There is another, American fictional work that uses the 'Timeline' theory, where in the original timeline, the character was born normally, but in sending back a volunteer who became his father, it became necessary for him to send back the volunteer every time the choice came around.. it's complicated, but I hope you know which series I'm on about.

[Just_A_Shinigami]

In any case, the chapter hasn't been released yet. So how on earth could they possibly know? I have seen many fake spoilers (such as 'R!Syaoran's death') so don't take too much heed.

Well...sometimes chapter scans are released 2 or 3 days earlier than the dates that are announced on clamp-net.com...so....yeah =P Probably an employee from a bookstore in Japan got a hold of the magazine earlier than its release date or something....There're some false spoilers, but there're some real ones too~(and I've seen this spoiler posted at like, 3 different places...) I guess it's up to you if you want to trust it or not XP

I kinda think CCS!Syaoran+Sakura=Clones=Parents. That would explains a lot about their magic, though the CCS couple have no memories of their past life (if they are the clones' reincarnations)

[CVI]

Hmm...
May be That's right, but I will not say That's truely right. I don't want the alternates become R!Syaoran's parents, but, if CLAMP wanted to, why can't they (the alternates) become the parents? It's all up to CLAMP. So I, GIVE UP

[Azamiko]

Again, clones CAN'T be the parents because then they wouldn't be clones! It's physically impossible, even more so than any other fantastical element.

[buffy07]

so if the clones are really the parents (which i don't buy bec. of the weird reversal of time..and then r!syaoran and C!sakura is really mother and son back then )

then the h.s. sakura in M!Sakura's dream is really CCS Sakura... :sighs:

[station to station]

Again, clones CAN'T be the parents because then they wouldn't be clones! It's physically impossible, even more so than any other fantastical element.

Well, you have to realize that they've been reincarnated, therefore they
are not clones anymore, but alternates now.

I'm on the theory that the parents are the CCS Sakura and Syaoran.
Why all those references and allusions to CCS throughout Holic and TRC
only to have Sakura give up her wand, and that's it? Sounds absurd.

[CVI]

Hm hm.. *nod*
I absolutely agree with station to station. The story has become too complicated now for me to understand completely.

[Synchronicityy.]

maybe C!Sakura is the one in M!Sakura's dream?
because i thnk their eyes are somewhat similar..?

[BethhyTheMokona]

The style of TRC's eyes have changed dramatically over the chapters. Looking back at chapter one, it was simply black with awhite dot at the top. If they were ever surprised, it would be the other way around, black outline, black dot and the rest would be uncoloured.
However, if we look at chapters 219 - 222, we can see that the eyes have developed beyond that.
Coincidence? Or just CLAMP messing with styles again?

[CVI]

Whatever, I like this new eyes style. It's cute and somewhat could express their feelings more.

[ggctuk]

<brain implodes>

Clamp would have a heck of a lot of explaining to do. And it would make those incest theories correct.

[Vande]

Eyes have been a big part of the series, so the hint may have been there all along :p

[ggctuk]

Well, you have to realize that they've been reincarnated, therefore they
are not clones anymore, but alternates now.

I'm on the theory that the parents are the CCS Sakura and Syaoran.
Why all those references and allusions to CCS throughout Holic and TRC
only to have Sakura give up her wand, and that's it? Sounds absurd.

<best Tony DiNozzo impression> "Hey, I said that! First!"

Yeah, but then, as I said, it would make R!Syaoran and R!Sakura's relationship all-the-more wrong.

[CVI]

@_@
2 days left, 2 days left...

[station to station]

Or just CLAMP messing with styles again?

I've read somewhere it's just CLAMP playing around with the drawing style
again. Like a poster before me has said, the eyes for almost all characters
were drawn differently before, just mostly black with a little white dot.

And if you notice throughout the whole series, each world seems to have
a certain "style" applied to it, to make it look unique. The reason
the eyes look more expressive now is that CLAMP has said are going back
to their original trademark CLAMP style. So I wouldn't put much thought
into the eyes.

[Lone_ant]

I don't see how having the Clones -> Alternates/Parents make RSyaoran x RSakura all the more wrong.

If anything it makes it even all the more right! :aww:
Hitsuzen!

[CVI]

Should ask ggctuk for that~

[ggctuk]

@_@
2 days left, 2 days left...

Well, here, I usually find chapters online (raws, and sometimes translations too) later on this evening (about 9:00 PM)

[CVI]

Okay~ This evening, huh, I must remember to online...

[ggctuk]

Of course, this only would apply as I said, if you're in the GMT area.

[Vande]

Yea the raws etc have an uncanny ability to arrive when i've gone to bed *fume*

[ggctuk]

Well, from the 'spoilers' I've seen, they're unreliable as they are incomplete - the 'translator' themselves admitted they couldn't make them out completely enough.

[station to station]

isn't the chapter supposed to come out today?

WHERE IS IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I have work today until 10 pm. Hopefully by then it'll be on

[Vande]

It's with the person who makes the raws >_>

[BethhyTheMokona]

I hope it's on before I go beddy-byes. :'3

For now, I'll go watch TRC eps.
/Oh, I love episode 37, even if it isn't in the manga, chibi is so kawaii for the TRC group~♥ :aww:

[ggctuk]

I've never seen that ep. I know you can download it, but I'm waiting to have all of Tsubasa Chronicle out on DVD in England (which seems sooner than Tokyo arc of the Manga arriving here - I've been checking the Release Schedule inside Neo magazine every time I get it and there's no Tsubasa dates at all in there)

Was the second series all that bad as it was made out to be? I know it went very-much off-track, but what's an anime version without going off track?

[BethhyTheMokona]

Why not order the ones from America online? Haven't they already dubbed the first and second series of the anime?
I'm not sure if they will for Tokyo Rev. :/

In Japanese, it's tolarable. I don't exactly like the english much but it's something my family approve of. XD

[ggctuk]

I can't - my DVD player is Region-Locked. It's not much longer, they've released volume 1 of season 2, the rest won't be far behind (as I've been told). The manga is a little more difficult, as I said, and I'm not willing to import something I can get for £5.99 here when it'd probably cost double to get it over here.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Oh my. I had that problem with my Dragonball Z DVD, but I bought a DVD player which could play DVDs from other regions. Perhaps you could invest in a new one like I did? Didn't cost much too.
Try amazon.co.uk, that's where I get my manga volumes. They only cost £3 or more in Used But Like New, plus shipping fee, which is only £2. The delivery takes about 2 weeks from USA but they arrive accordingly and shiny! :'D

[ggctuk]

THe only problem with that would be with my DVD players: One's a built-in DVD player with my HDTV, and the other is my XBox360.

I might look into the manga, but I'd love to know when the rest of it will be out in English (what volume was the last in English so far?)

[Ryo-Chan]

I've got a question to ask..how much does a volume of TRC cost in each of your country?
It cost SGD$8.50 for the English version and SGD$5.50 for the Chinese version..
Which is around... US$5.80 and US$3.70 respectively..

[CVI]

Its 15.000 in Rupiahs, in my country. So how do you count it in US$~

[station to station]

It's with the person who makes the raws >_>

Oh just the raws then? I forget! XD

[Synchronicityy.]

Woahh its abt $20-ish here in NZ.. Which is abt US$12 ><
So i always bought the singapore version which is way more cheaper,,
@CVI: wew still Rp 15.000 xD Have they update the volumes there?

[BethhyTheMokona]

So far 22 volumes are out in English. Volume 23 will be out in Oct.
And then for some reason... the releases stop there.
:'/

[Synchronicityy.]

Oh u mean the ones that are sold in the international bookstores? those are the singaporean version right?

[BethhyTheMokona]

From America, published by Del Ray.
Not sure aout Singapore... or is that in America?
//Does not know anything in geography :drop:
But they can be sold anywhere since I live in England and I order them from a website that sells America things there. :'D

[Ryo-Chan]

The cover for volume 22 and 25 is really nice ^^

[ggctuk]

Because they've caught up.

Volumes 1-4 cost £6.99, the other volumes (up to volume 14, which is the last volume in the UK) are £5.99 each (which is really standard for manga here now)

CLAMP's playing this card close to their chests - the raws for 223 weren't out last night like they usually are (in this country)

[Ryo-Chan]

All manga in Singapore is translated by Chuang Yi (lit. Creativity)
So the chinese and english tsubasa and the chinese holic is translated by CY in Singapore.. I hate it tho.. They seldom keep the japanese honorific

[ggctuk]

One loose end that's just come to me - Fei Wong said in the Tokyo arc that Xing Hou sent Syaoran to Yuuko because of some sort of connection they had. I have to wonder, was Xing Huo meant to be Yuuko or someone with another connection to Syaoran? The Yuuko connection seems unlikely, they don't look alike and Xing Huo has Clow's magic circle (even though Fei Wong remakred she was a failed experiment).

[Lone_ant]

Xing Huo doesn't have FWR's circle.. it's a completing diffrent circle of her own..

Anyway I think she is indeed Yuuko clone (as well as all those other black haired clones that we saw one panel) after all FWR is reviving Yuuko.

The fact that she's unlike her just reinforces how it's a failed clone.
That other glasses guy could be a Clow clone.. or perhaps he tried cloning himself.

[Ryo-Chan]

Xing Huo doesn't have FWR's circle.. it's a completing diffrent circle of her own..


He said CLOW's Circle.. and She does have clow's circle...

[Lone_ant]

Oh.. and it looks she does have O.o

Hmm. Well. That is intriguing.. can't answer why she has that..

I'm thinking this is going to be important somehow.. but I can't even guess how :/

[station to station]

CLAMP's playing this card close to their chests - the raws for 223 weren't out last night like they usually are (in this country)

WHERE ARE THEY?


That other glasses guy could be a Clow clone.. or perhaps he tried cloning himself.

Or maybe a Clow clone? He did look a lot like Clow and Watanuki...

[ggctuk]

Um, you just repeated what he said....

I guess it could be possible Xing Huo was a Yuuko clone, if she was, then she was a much younger one.

Sign, guess it's back to the manga I bought today (I bought TRC volumes 2 and 4, as well as four volumes of Elemental Gelade)

[BethhyTheMokona]

I have been wondering for some time about Xing Huo and her role in the TRC, other than a failed clone, because FWR must have created her for one purpose. He wouldn't have created her if he wanted her to let Syaoan escape. Well, he wouldn't have needed a clone if that was the case.
Was she just company? Did she pour the wine into his glass?

I guess I bought the cheapest manga on sale at the time. :drop:

[station to station]

I read on mangahelpers that maybe there wasn't any TRC this week like
we expected. Which would be really lame.

[ggctuk]

Yep, they delayed Holic too. CLAMP is stringing us along. We want answers, they don't want to give them, simple as, really.

[BethhyTheMokona]

But didn't they say that they had the RAWs ready!?
D:

[Vande]

The raws are a little late O.o

[ggctuk]

They want to keep us on tenterhooks...

[BethhyTheMokona]

/Sigh.
Guess I can wait tomorrow.
I hope it's good because my classes tomorrow aren't very promising. be niceto read something to cheer me up afterwards.
Let us know immediatedly when it comes out; whether it's on OM or another website. :'<

[ggctuk]

I'll keep my eyes open and my ears sharp for you.

[station to station]

Yep, they delayed Holic too. CLAMP is stringing us along. We want answers, they don't want to give them, simple as, really.

It's really really annoying. I first get deprived of Holic, and then
they deprive us of TRC also. With all these delays, how are they going
to get done in time?

[Ren-san]

People are saying that the series isn't supposed to end until the end of the year, so if that is true then Clamp has plenty of time to finish the 2 series off.

[ggctuk]

Somebody suggested this as a theory:

CCS Syaoran and Sakura are R!Syaoran's parents, and Clone Sakura and Syaoran are Watanuki's parents. Either that or they merged (unlikely).

[Ryo-Chan]

Sigh.. the theories are messing us up.. Just wait for CLAMP to reveal everything to us..

[ggctuk]

Yep... those came from Mangahelpers. TBH I think they're treading old territory anyways.

[Lone_ant]

Lol, well it's not technically impossible.. but no. I find that extremely unlikely, plus it's unnecessary as it doesn't explain more than any of the more simpler theories

[ggctuk]

I'm thinking at this rate we'll get another 4 chapters by christmas. Of course, it'd be nice if there was one while I am on holiday later this year.

[Lone_ant]

I hope so.. as well as xxxHolic.

and you know thinking about it, it's probably not true afterall, as both RSyaoran and Watanuki recognized FSyaoran and MSakura as their parents.

[Synchronicityy.]

wait.. didn't yuuko said that she havnt meet R!Shaoran's parents when R!Shaoran came to yuuko's shop for the first time?
if R!Shaoran's parents are the clones,, then it wuldnt make sense cuz -.- yuuko obviously had met the clones - -"

[Vande]

http://mangahelpers.com/m/tsubasa-rc/chapters/223/

wooooo

Page 4 on there seems to confirm mommy and daddy clones :p

BABY SYAORAN <3 i wonder if in the translation we get his real name....

[chibi15]

Clamp is beating around the bush again ... and how long are we going to wait for the next chapter again?

I hate Clamp officially!

But I do love the sweet scenes between the Clones!

But it is confirmed that they are not the CCS couple! Because we saw in an earlier chapter CCS!Sakura gave the wond to C!M!Sakura so CCS can be left alone! I hope!

But it is still confusing ... how can the Clones be the R!Syaoran's parents?

Btw, how the heck did C!Syaoran get CCS!Syaoran's sword??

ARGHH!!

[BethhyTheMokona]

:aww: :aww: :aww: :aww: :aww:
/SUPER MAJOR DUPER NOSEBLEED~~~~~♥♥♥♥♥!!!
Page 5... was that a... a KISS!?!?!?
They have a child!!! They have real Syaoran!!! Oh my word!!! They... they... they made... made...
/faints from loss of blood.

I'm so happy and so sad for them!! DDD':
But that chapter was SOOOO CUTEEE!!!! You can see just how much they love each other, and I don't mind if that's all the intermacy I'll ever see because that was just lovely!!!

Thanks Vande~!

[ggctuk]

Well, you know the saying... "You wait long time for a bus, then three come at once."

Now explain hwo they got CCS magic, CLAMP.

[Vande]

Oook so this is how i see this right now:

Starts off with x2 Clones starting TRC, we find out about the real TRC couple, Clones die but are reborn in an earlier time line. They give birth to a kid, who appears to be the real Syaoran who eventurally takes over the clones place in the story. So he technically falls in love with his mother.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Nah uh. R!Sakura isn't really Sakura... we still need to find out who she really is before we find out for sure.

It must be horrible for C!Syaoran, with memories of trying to kill his son... that's just...
:'<

[ggctuk]

Yeah, I thought that too... the way it was worded when Sakura told him, what he said carried with it a heavy guilt. Then again, who could have realised? It's also the reason they haven't appeared until now - the clones had to die first before the parents could appear.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Oh my. :'<
But it's very, very confusing. If it wasn't for Real Syaoran being born, Clone Syaoran wouldn't have be cloned and then reborned. However, if Clone Syaoran would have never be reborneded (XD) then Real Syaoran wouldn't have been borneded.

Can I get one thing off my chest before we launch into a new topic?
Is the last image on page 5 a kiss!? Do you think? It sure looks like it!!

[Ren-san]

Rubbing one's head against another doesn't count as a kiss.

But time seemed to have past by rather quickly from page 3 to page 4. I wonder how many years just passed by, in between pages?

[BethhyTheMokona]

Aw. Seemed like Syaoran pressed a kiss to Sakura's head. :'< But still, kawaii~♥ :aww:

I'd have thought that maybe ten to fifteen years would have passed, so they'd be in their mid twenties...

[yaye_XD!]

I'm wondering the same thing as ggctuk "how they got CCS magic?" S: is.. well we know that Sakura got the staff from CCSakura but.. what about the sword of Syaoran? his powers i just... grr CLAMP i need some answers >.<!!

I love the chapter wsa soooooo very cutee :3

[BethhyTheMokona]

At least the 'who are the parents' mystery is solved at last.
Who'd have thunk it'd be the clones? XD

[Vande]

At least the 'who are the parents' mystery is solved at last.
Who'd have thunk it'd be the clones? XD

Not many people. Clamp and their mind screwing....

[Tsuki]

Now explain hwo they got CCS magic, CLAMP.

Answer: http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/219/014-015/ maybe? (And M!Sakura recieved the starstaff from CCS Sakura, magic included? She did say something about the cards being enough for her...)

Just as I thought. This was the first thing that came to my mind when the clones had to make a choise to be reborn again. I knew they would be reborn as the parents.
Did I mention earlier that I love this story XD

[Eger-kun]

Now all has been revealed and the only thing left is for us to see what will happen to the originals and the fate of the clones .

oh well better get back into a CCS-like anime *cough* Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha *cough*

[Eveonder Maelstrom]

I give up... this is so screwed up... I'm gonna wait for something less confusing like Darker than Black 2 which I though DtB was confusing and screwy but not anymore D= anything that has to do with CLAMP is confusing... anything associated with time travel is confusing... anything associated with both... D= gah.

[Dippy18]

So the clones are the ones in the tube after all...nobody have thought of that.

[Eger-kun]

So the clones are the ones in the tube after all...nobody have thought of that.

Really ? I think someone back then have that idea during the earlier discussions though due to some overly fangirls squees and random rants about Clamp and recent breaks it seems that the topic became lost and null.

[Dreams of Fate]

A loop, a fu-**-ing loop!!!
ha, hahaha, hahahahahah *breaks down*

[Dippy18]

Really ? I think someone back then have that idea during the earlier discussions though due to some overly fangirls squees and random rants about Clamp and recent breaks it seems that the topic became lost and null.

Yeah, I meant that now that we know the are the clones, nobody have comment about it :/

[ggctuk]

Well, there you have it... all those who said "They threw in CCS" were wrong. Not entirely, but still wrong. I can't help think they'll still have a hand in TRC somewhere...

[Vande]

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/223/

Scanlation is out :D

[BethhyTheMokona]

Eheh... I apologise for my fangirlism, Egg-kun... :drop:
Most likely CCS!Sakura who gave C!M!Sakura the magic, wand and cards.

Baby Syaoran~♥!

[Vande]

So...

The CCS! Couple are parents to the clones?
The clones are parents to R!Syaoran.
The clones are with the other R!Syaoran fighting FWR.

Does that make sense here?

[Azamiko]

*headdesk* We knew it was coming--no matter how I tried to argue that it was illogical--but that was just...*shakes head* CLAMP failed science class; there's no other explanation. Heck, even the clones knew it shouldn't be possible.

[ggctuk]

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/223/

Scanlation is out :D

You're a tiny bit behind, Vande, most of us read them hours ago ^^'

Answer: http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/219/014-015/ maybe? (And M!Sakura recieved the starstaff from CCS Sakura, magic included? She did say something about the cards being enough for her...)

Just as I thought. This was the first thing that came to my mind when the clones had to make a choise to be reborn again. I knew they would be reborn as the parents.
Did I mention earlier that I love this story XD

This does not explain Syaoran. Nor does it explain Sakura's, Syaoran's or "Syaoran's" blood relation to Clow Reed. As I have learned, even the same people of a different dimension have differing temperments, powers etc... we have for Tomoyos,, CCS, TRC, Piffle and Movie Tomoyo. Neither Piffle's nor CCS Tomoyos have magic, and Movie and TRC Tomoyos have different magic... but Syaoran's magic is the same as CCS.

Anotehr point - Sakura only gave Sakura Li the Star Wand. Not her magic. THe Staff was something Yuuko was after, so CCS!Sakura must have known Sakura Li would use it as payment. Think about it - if the staff contained the magic, then Sakura would have lost her magic after giving the staff to Yuuko, I believe.

[Asuka_Wind]

I always thought that the Sakura and Syaoran from CCS were the parents of the Original Syaoran but now if you think about it, MAYBE it makes sense if you put the pieces together:

The clones were given a new life, got married then had a child (which is the Real Syaoran) and then he grew up a bit. Which kind of explains what Yuuko meant by meeting their other selves. So then that means that Sakura Kinomoto from CCS approached the reincarnated Clone Sakura in her dreams and then handed her her Star Wand. But then that would be weird because how would that be something precious to her? Then Clone Sakura paid with the Star Wand for Yuuko as a price to let little Real Syaoran to travel to Clow Country.
So this is what I kind of came up with but it really doesn't make much sense. -_-
CLAMP makes me want to bang my head on the desk right now. That's how I felt like doing while reading that new chapter. >_>

[ggctuk]

There still be holes left to fill.

[Azamiko]

Oh, hey...he's in love with the girl his mother was cloned from...Yep, that's incest! =D

[ggctuk]

Depends on the way you view it - they're no longer genetically related to each other. And the Clones were born as true people, meaning they're actually not clones any more. At least, that's how I think they want us to interpret it.

[saphirablossom]

Always, and I mean always, CLAMP manages to throw us off completely every time we think we've finally got Tsubasa's plot pretty much figured out. So much for following the CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran are R!Syaoran's parents theory. They aren't even involved! Unless of course, you count the one appearance of CCS!Sakura giving her staff to C!Sakura.
Ah well, I guess it was kind of inevitable in some way, considering we haven't actually gone to the actual universes from CLAMP mangas: Acid Tokyo wasn't really the world from X, and so on so forth... Just a bit disappointed, but still, it doesn't make the story any worse!

Still, CLAMP needs to fill in those plot holes! Because the fact that the parents of R!Syaoran had magic, CCS!Sakura's magic in particular, doesn't really fit... maybe it was CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran, even though I seriously doubt it at this point...
CLAMP needs to get back to Kurogane and Fai at some point aswell! They can't exactly leave them unattended, or so to speak, otherwise it'll just be an unfinished ending...

[ggctuk]

I think 224 will be something like it was the parents telling us all that rather than it all happening in 'real' time. So we'll get back on track.

What i want to know is, knowing full-well what was happening, why did they not act sooner? As far as I can tell, surely they're not bound by the same rules of interference as Yuuko was.

[Plaumff-chan]

I can't help but be happy for Fai right now, for some reason, because of what he said here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/211/08/
Now, he'll be able to meet with the clone again :)

As for the whole timeline thing, you guys forget that there was once an original, continuous timeline, and it got destroyed because Fei Wong Reed had to destroy it and all it's logic to grant his very illogical yet sentimental wish.
Maybe RSyaoran, originally, when there were no clones, was the son of CCSSakura and Syaoran.
"What i want to know is, knowing full-well what was happening, why did they not act sooner? As far as I can tell, surely they're not bound by the same rules of interference as Yuuko was."

ggctuk: I think everyone is bound, somehow, by the laws of interference. In the end, there's only so much you can do in a situation...sometimes, the best you can do is just watch. (all) Syaorans and Sakuras are bound by them, as were all the other characters. Changing the future is difficult cause you don't know what caused it in the first place that's why interference is delicate. I mean, look at what Fei Wong Reed did.

[Hikari-chan68]

*gasp* So the clones were the parents! Aw, for some reason i really wanted it to be the CCS couple :( But i guess its better that they aren't involved in the mess that is Tsubasa :phail: *sigh* So now we've come in a complete loop. Can't wait to see what happens next! (hope FWR finally gets defeated >.<)

[Carmy]

Did you read the new chapter? It was so comfusing but i think i have it figured out. So the clone Syaoron and Sakura found had a child. That child was the "original" syaoron. So that is why Syaoron's perants looked just like him and sakura. But how could the Original's be born from clones?

[Ren-san]

If they found the original child then that would explain some of the things that happened.

But everything depends on how you perceive a timeline. If you think of a timeline in a straight forward sense, in which their is an original timeline and an altered timeline, then things will get confusing.

It all depends on how Clamp is perceiving multiple timelines. Some timelines may have many alternate versions of the same dimension. While some dimensions will have the same dimension being rewritten from the events in the future.

Just have to wait and see what happens next, in order to figure out how everything is going to play out in the end.

[station to station]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
They just made it more confusing by making the Clones the parents.

I'm just going to stop trying to make sense of this plot.
Let CLAMP reveal all the answers in due time.

[Ren-san]

The smart thing to have done from the start. But don't worry, speculations at least make us wonder how things come about.

I wonder which speculations are going to be proven right, in the end?

[Lone_ant]

Ah.. this is what every village mad man dreams of for every night when he is not howling at the moon, what every UFO abductee mutters under his breath as the ignorant masses jeer and redicule! Yess! I can say it now..

I knew it. I called it! Persevering against the blistering gust of skepticism was all worth it, for I can finally say.. I was right all along!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.., just forget that ever happened :(


*cough* *clears throat* Such a sweet chapter! Even I almost couldn't resist to go fangirly there especially reading CCS.. it's just so.. :aww:

Though, CSyaoran must have it hard.. I mean he tried to kill his own son O.O, then he killed..
And it's all still not over for them because everything is still in the future and even they do not know how it ends. Oh the sacrifices that they have to make..

@ggctuck The reason they couldn't interfere was because they were in the tube. Though they did all the interfering that they could through the wishes and paments.

[station to station]

The smart thing to have done from the start. But don't worry, speculations at least make us wonder how things come about.

I wonder which speculations are going to be proven right, in the end?

Agreed.

Now hopefully they'll show a little bit of how Watanuki was when he was
younger, living with his parents in Syaoran's place... Hmm.

And one thing also, they've shown Touya and Yukito's backs in TRC (or was it Holic?),
so I guess that means they're related to them to. Maybe the reason they're related to
Clow is because THEY REALLY ARE related to Clow, although an alternate version from
that world? Maybe this world the Clones were born on is just an alternate world from CCS,
one where a Clow existed and was a magician, but wasn't uber-powerful and didn't create
the Clow Cards therefore the events of CCS never happened. That would explain Touya
and Yukito, and how C!Syaroan had the Jian sword and knew magic. But it wouldn't explain
C!Sakura possessing CCS!Sakura's magic... maybe through the wands perhaps?

[Ren-san]

Every mad person needs a slogan for when they are right. So what is your slogan going to be, Lone_ant?

I wonder what the parents taught the Real Syaoran when he was young?

[station to station]

"I owned all you b*t*hes!"

[Ren-san]

Now, all you need is a picture to go along with that slogan.

[Aero72]

I think there is something off. It feels more like Sakura and Syaoran are filling in the place of CS Sakura and Syaoran because the two are currently in another world in a different form. it's also difficult to anticipate whether this is considered the events preceding what happened seven years ago that started it all because for one thing I don't think there will be a Yuko. It almost feels like there was the original timeline, then a second timeline that composes of what happened since chapter one and now there is a third timeline probably meant to fill in the gaps left in the second timeline. And I thought the timeloop in Final Fantasy VIII was intense. Clamp is really milking this for all its worth. Just when answers are revealed even more questions pop up ;)

[Dreams of Fate]

Is a loop, guys/gals, a loop...
There's no ending, no beginning...
Perhaps once, there was an original order of events, but then Fei destroyed the logic of the world, and messed the past/future thing, so now...
is a loop xD
*is broken

[cjwaystayer]

Kay, um, this is a totally inconvenient and possibly dumb question, but I love Tsubasa, and I'm becoming increasingly frustrated . . .

. . . what the hell is going on?

[CVI]

Hehe... Hmhm...
Gyehehehe...
*can not stop smiling*
the new chapter... Ufufufu... TOO AMAZING!! It makes me CRAZY enough! Kyaa~

[Lone_ant]

Hehe... Hmhm...
Gyehehehe...
*can not stop smiling*
the new chapter... Ufufufu... TOO AMAZING!! It makes me CRAZY enough! Kyaa~

CVI stay with me here! We can't lose you now just as the light at the end of the tunnel is so close.. watch TV for a while to turn off your brain!

Kay, um, this is a totally inconvenient and possibly dumb question, but I love Tsubasa, and I'm becoming increasingly frustrated . . .

. . . what the hell is going on?

To answer that..

Well the short answer is, RSyaoran's parents are the reincarnated-to-the-past CSakura and CSyaoran. I.e CSakura = MSakura and CSyaoran = FSyaoran.

[Synchronicityy.]

omgee O___O
iim sooo not agreeing with this chapter!!
Its jst so.. weird.. awkward....

[Ryo-Chan]

This chapter.. solves all the mistery around Sakura and Syaoran, does i not?

[CVI]

Lone_ant@ Gyehehe~ Thank you very much, but still, Ufufufu... I can't... Stop... Mmh... I just too excited and... Hihihi... Aah, you know, I'm crazy...

Ryo-chan@ Yup, it does. Finally I know what the heck was happening there...

[lost_feather]

Wow. Wow. WOW! AHH! Tsubasa is the BEST MANGA EVER!!! (man I hate those data-gathering-breaks. What does that even mean, anyway?)

[ggctuk]

I can't help but be happy for Fai right now, for some reason, because of what he said here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/211/08/
Now, he'll be able to meet with the clone again :)

As for the whole timeline thing, you guys forget that there was once an original, continuous timeline, and it got destroyed because Fei Wong Reed had to destroy it and all it's logic to grant his very illogical yet sentimental wish.
Maybe RSyaoran, originally, when there were no clones, was the son of CCSSakura and Syaoran.

My point exactly. Time does not work in 'loops'. It may work closer to 'spirals' if you were, which have a clear origin point, then change becuase of other reasons ie Fei Wong's interference. That also partially explains Syaoran's blood relation to Clow, the Parent's use of CCS magic, and also supports my theory of a time/world split.

[Crystal_234]

The clones being the parents resolves many things. Like how CCS Sakura gave her staff to the Clone/mother Sakura to be paid as the price. And now it's not so weird that Rsayoran is in love with sakura from clow!!!

[ggctuk]

Ahem - he's in love with his mother's host form.

[Tsuki]

What if Clamp is reading this furom with all our speculations so they can confuse us even more (or they are having fun about our misery here)? XD

The only thing I do hope for now is that there will be a happy ending... I mean I don't know what would be happy enough after this many twists...

[Lone_ant]

I wouldn't say host,.. though yes, he's in love with his mother's clone (or rather source)

hmm.. that sounds eerily familiar.. it rings another set of mind-screwy bells in my mind that I've archived in the deepest, darkest recesses of my mind.. *shudder*

[ggctuk]

We can only wait. Clamp did not mind-screw with us for no good reason.

Anybody got a date for 224?

[Ryo-Chan]

wait.. It means that "Syaoran" is the son of himself??

[ggctuk]

Yes, and yet no at the same time. While it's true that in spirit he may be, biologically speaking he is not, since the Clones were reborn as actual people. I won't go into detail about gene pools and DNA and stuff, because it baffles me as well.

[Plaumff-chan]

I don't know if we can even touch the subject of gene pools here O_o...this is way beyond...I just like to think that, while they were clones, they're existence was completely related to Syaoran and Sakura, but once they were reincarnated into true human beings, it canceled the whole clone thing. Though, the whole "the son had to have had existed for the father to have existed for the son to be born" still holds...I don't think it's supposed to make sense even in Tsubasa terms, considering the fact that Fei Wong Reed destroyed the logic of the Worlds.

And also, I want to finally find out RSyaoran and RSakura's true names! I feel as though that would solve a lot of things...for some reason.

Since Yuuko died, does that mean that she doesn't exist in this new timeline? Does it mean that Watanuki is the one whose going to be granting wishes (and therefore sending Syaoran to Clow Country)? ...Is Watanuki even born yet..?

[Ryo-Chan]

You guys are talking about SCIENCE in a manga that has MAGIC..

[Lone_ant]

Yuuko's still alive where.. or should I say when CSakura and CSyaoran are at this chapter,.. well okay technically she's supposed to be dead if not for Clow Reed but yeah.

Though speaking of the "current" time then yes Yuuko is dead. And it seems that Watanuki will be inheriting the shop.

As for Watanuki.. his moment of birth was this chapter.. but he isn't born yet since Watanuki is (or would be) taking over RSyaoran's existance later on by virtue of RSyaoran's wish.

[buffy07]

weird really weird time loop..
anyways I don't get them really
but if they want the parents to be the clones
then that's okay.. :)

its much more better if the parents are the CCS pair
and C!syaoran and C!sakura are the other couple

or maybe the CCS pair are the parents of C! syaoran haha

[Vande]

Based upon what they said at the end of the latest chapter:

24/06 - Shonen Magazine #30 - No Tsubasa scheduled.
01/07 - Shonen Magazine #31 - No Tsubasa scheduled.
08/07 - Shonen Magazine #32 - Chapter 224

[Lone_ant]

or maybe the CCS pair are the parents of C! syaoran haha

Well Sakura did say that CSyaoran's parents said that RSyaoran looked like he did when he was a baby...

I hope .. seriously hope that's not true though.. my head hurts as it is o_@

[CVI]

Vande@ Wha..?! One MONTH???? Oh, Noooo...

[buffy07]

Well Sakura did say that CSyaoran's parents said that RSyaoran looked like he did when he was a baby...

I hope .. seriously hope that's not true though.. my head hurts as it is o_@

yah its so confusing :)
but i think its ccs!sakura who gave C!M! sakura the wand also
so does she have the cards also?....

[CVI]

I have never seen even a single CCS card in TRC... But, without the cards, the wand is just a normal wand, no?

[Lone_ant]

She doesn't have the cards, CCS Sakura said that it's okay for MSakura to have the wand because the cards are enough for her (so she kept the cards for herself)

[BethhyTheMokona]

...well, am just going along with it. :'3

[chibi15]

So now they have turned both xxxHolic and Tsubasa into monthly issues? Damn you Clamp!! Now to wait for the new xxxHolic chapter which I hope explain some things!!

[Ren-san]

Keep hoping.

I have doubts that the new xxxHOLIC chapter is going to be explaining anything all that important. I am still hoping to figure out how the whole memory business is going to work out for Himawari and Domenki.

[Vande]

Eh, no it's a 2 week break.
Remember i use UK date system not the weird USA stuff. So 8th July next chapter is due.

[sobeitalwys]

I can't believe that the other Sakura and Syaoran have to go through the whole thing again. Did they get caught in some sort of time loop and now they will keep repeating the same events over and over again? I would have been happy if the story had ended last chapter where everything had finally worked out.

[BethhyTheMokona]

I have a a notion. Remember when R!Syaoran told R!Sakura about the pinky promises? Do you think C!Sakura and C!Syaoran will show R!Syaoran how to do them in chapters to come? It'd be cute if it did happen. :aww:

[ggctuk]

Quite curiously, I'm wondering whether Yuuko's shop exists in one dimension, or its own connecting to them all. We know Watanuki exists in the CCS world, as Yuuko told him that CCS Syaoran and Sakura live there. But, if the Parent's cannot travel dimensions, then it makes sense that the shop is connected to all dimensions in one way or another. Or did Yuuko choose where it appeared?

[Tsuki]

I think it connects all the dimensions... the way I see it Yuuko and the shop most probably are somehow between all the dimensions like it's in a seperated dimension of her own (the stagnant time between life and death) and in all the worlds at the same time. I know it sounds complicated, but there's a thesis on this type of thing in the esoteric wiev of the paralell worlds/times and multiverses...

[ggctuk]

There is a chance that CCS Sakura and Syaoran may appear later on in either TRC or Holic. Both Yuuko and Watanuki expressed desire to meet them some day. Either they will leave that thread, or solve it, or use it again in Mangettes (which I hope NOT! It's enough that I try to keep up with TRC and Holic, but a third manga in the same world might just render me clinically insane)

[crisshinn]

Err... It's been so long since I read tsubasa and so...I don't get it... I have 3 question:

1. In the first 3 pages, we saw the clones Sakura and Syaoran who were reborn right?? Then in the next page we get to see a grown up Sakura and Syaoran... was there some kind of timeskip? Those grown up Sakura and Syaoran, are they the clones??

2. grown up Sakura was saying to grown up Syaoran that their baby is "the other Syaoran..." who's this other Syaoran???

3. So where in the world are the CCS Sakura and Syaoran??? Jeez with all these Sakura and Syaoran all over, I can't tell which is from which series or what :>.<:

[Ren-san]

1. Yes, their was a short time skip from when the Clone Sakura and Syaoran met in the earlier pages (#1-3) to the later pages of the chapter.

2. When they say "Other Syaoran," they are referring to the Real Syaoran from which the Clone Syaoran was created from. The Real Syaoran is the person who originally wished to save the Real Sakura from Fei Wong Reed's death curse.

3. We don't know. We have to wait and see how everything is going to play out. Since Clamp is using their variations of multiple timelines, we won't know who is who until the future chapters.

[crisshinn]

Oho... so the one's we know as CCS Sakura and CCS Syaoran aren't really in this manga?

And if Clone SYaoran is the father of the Real Syaoran... then we're just going into circles...?
(-_ -)

[CVI]

Yup
Eh, wait a minute...
Is there anyone who thinks that the reincarnated Syaoran and Sakura are the CCS couple? If there is, then, I have just a single question :
WHY do you think that they ARE the CCS couple?? In this chapter, Sakura says to Syaoran: "YOUR FATHER and mother told me that the baby just looks like you when you are on his age" (I don't remember the words completely)

BUT, WHY? In CCS anime I watched, Uncle Wei said that Li Shaoran's father DIED when he was young. So... Why?

Ugh...

[crisshinn]

Yup
Eh, wait a minute...
Is there anyone who thinks that the reincarnated Syaoran and Sakura are the CCS couple? If there is, then, I have just a single question :
WHY do you think that they ARE the CCS couple?? In this chapter, Sakura says to Syaoran: "YOUR FATHER and mother told me that the baby just looks like you when you are on his age" (I don't remember the words completely)

BUT, WHY? In CCS anime I watched, Uncle Wei said that Li Shaoran's father DIED when he was young. So... Why?

Ugh...

I think you're on the right track. It just so happens that the Clone Syaoran A.K.A. the grown up Syaoran we see here is probably... CCS Sakura and CCS Syaoran's child. Remember in the previous chapter before this, Clone Sakura met Clone Syaoran in Hongkong. Well It's only logical that if CCS Sakura and CCS Syaoran got married, they might live in Hongkong.

So I think it might go like this:

CCS Syaoran, Sakura(parents) ----- of Clone Syaoran, Sakura (parents) ------ of Real Syaoran

I think it's possible.

PS: Geez I need to use clones, real and CCS in order to differentiate them :>.<:

[Tsuki]

In my opinion the CCS couple has no bloodconnection to the TRC couples. This is not a fact, that I could explain, but only my personal opinion...

[crisshinn]

Well you're right. We have no evidence about CCS Sakura and CCS Syaoran's connection here. But since CVI has just made a theory, and seeing as there's so many Sakura and Syaoran in Tsubasa, well I won't be surprised if it turns out that Clone Syaoran's parents were actually the CCS couple.

[ggctuk]

*coughClowReedcough*

[Ren-san]

Anything is possible at the moment. Although, I would like to know what in the world is happening to everyone at the moment. I wonder when in the world we are going to learn about what is happening in the actual battle with Fei Wong Reed?

Do you think that Fei Wong Reed is going to see the error of his way?

I don't want for Fei Wong Reed to die yet.

[Tsuki]

I wouldn't be too suprised either. But if that would be the case, then one point of the manga would loose it's meaning. When CCS!Sakura (in her young form) gave her wand to M!Sakura... If the CCS couple were the parents of the reincarnated clones, then why bother giving that wand in that form... I mean she could have given it to her anytime since we saw that M!Skaura is living in F!Syaoran's home...

FWR?... Maybe he'll see, but who knows... He is stuborn about his wish....

[ggctuk]

I think 224 will be back in the present, as if the Clones/Alternates/Parents/whatever were telling their story the past couple of chapters.

[Ren-san]

That is how I mainly perceived everything that is happening.

It would seem that Clamp has a way to make the present chapters seem like they are doing nothing more than filling the void about the past chapters that lead up to the present situation.

At the very least, I know why the parents were so determined when it came to the battle with Fei Wong Reed. And how they knew of the prices that needed to be paid in advance.

[crisshinn]

I wouldn't be too suprised either. But if that would be the case, then one point of the manga would loose it's meaning. When CCS!Sakura (in her young form) gave her wand to M!Sakura... If the CCS couple were the parents of the reincarnated clones, then why bother giving that wand in that form... I mean she could have given it to her anytime since we saw that M!Skaura is living in F!Syaoran's home...

FWR?... Maybe he'll see, but who knows... He is stuborn about his wish....

Hmmm you're right. I totally forgot about the whole wand thing :>.<: Now that's one of the mysteries here...

And I still don't get why FWR would like to grant Clow's wish. I mean, What benefit will he get for doing it? He seems so eager to grant that wish.

And it's been 2 chapters for Tsubasa, yet there's still no new XxxHolic out. :>.<: I wanna see what happens to Watanuki

[Ren-san]

Fei Wong Reed, was second in power to Clow Reed.

But I thought that the reason as to why FWR was granting Clow's wish was because of the situation that happened to Yuuko. Since Yuuko was stuck in time, Clow made a wish to revive her. But the price for such a wish would demand a fair amount of compensation in order to grant it.

Hence, the reason FWR had to implore such drastic measures to ensure that enough of the missing pieces in the plan, would turn out the way he wanted them to.

[crisshinn]

That's what I was thinking. Why does FWR want to grant that wish so bad? I don't think he cares for Yuuko at all or what since it looks like they're not really on friendly terms.

Does he want to prove something then?

[Tsuki]

Well we still don't know what's the relationship between those 3... (ok we know partly...)

[CVI]

Well, well...
But, whatever the problems, this chapter (223) is really an amazing chapter~
Kyaa~! Romantic~

[Ren-san]

That's what I was thinking. Why does FWR want to grant that wish so bad? I don't think he cares for Yuuko at all or what since it looks like they're not really on friendly terms.

Does he want to prove something then?

Well, we don't know how the situation was in the past, so we can't know for certain if the situation has changed all that much. For all we know, all of them could have lived happily ever after together, until the wish was granted. He may have granted the wish because he was the only person that was able to grant the wish, due to the enormous price that that had to be paid.

Or FWR could have done this because he wanted everyone to end up the same way they were before the situation escalated to that point in time.

[BethhyTheMokona]

What really is FWR's true intentions for reviving Yuuko and Clow?
Just out of goodwill? Was he good friends with them? Close relatives? Did he want something from them? Or did he just want to prove that he could be just as powerful as Clow?

[Vande]

Well both Clow and Fei share the same surname so they are related :p

[ggctuk]

Although how he is related is not clear... I think perhaps a brother? Plus, I thought FWR only wanted to revive Yuuko. As for the whole discord between Yuuko and Fei Wong, Yuuko was trying to stop him from completing the wish, she knew she was meant to die. It was as if Fei Wong was stating "I'm going to revive you, no matter whether you want to be brought back or not."

[Ren-san]

Will once a wish is started it isn't like the person can just simply say that they want the wish to be completed. If that was what everyone wanted back then, then they shouldn't have made the wish in the first place.

[ggctuk]

As Yuuko said, Clow made it happen without meaning to.

[Ren-san]

You can't make something of that magnitude happen without having some sort of desire behind it. It isn't like Clow Reed split some milk on the floor here. I mean just look at the mess that he created. Their had to have been some sort of meaning to everything that happened.

It just would seem wrong if everything that happened was all just an accident.

[Tsuki]

Clow Reed did wish for Yuuko not to die even without realizing his own wish, but after all this happened because of that subconscious wish, he really regreted it.

[Ren-san]

Ah, so it was a subconscious wish.

Damn, that has to be some rotten luck. I wonder how in the world such a thing could happen.

[CVI]

May be~
But it was because Clow's too-great-magic.

[station to station]

I don't think he cares for Yuuko at all or what since it looks like they're not really on friendly terms.

Well, I think he really does care about her, why go through all that trouble if he didn't?:

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/202/05/

Look at that expression on his face, a mixture of regret and sadness.
And Yuuko's expression, you know she feels nothing but sadness and pity for
FWR.

My opinion is that FWR might probably be Clow and Yuuko's son. Think about
it, if one of your parents died too soon, wouldn't you want to bring them back
no matter what?

[Lone_ant]

My opinion is that FWR might probably be Clow and Yuuko's son. Think about
it, if one of your parents died too soon, wouldn't you want to bring them back
no matter what?

Ku..ku .heehekukuueehehe :D

I say I agree. And it isn't just that, after his mother died, his father left him for another Dimension. Either that, or FWR is somehow an inferior clone of Clow Reed

[Ren-san]

Link to the new thread: Here (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?p=2048420#post2048420)

[Aero72]

It would be interesting to see what happens next. After seeing events that went completely opposite of what i expected I was started to get discouraged about continuing reading (perish the thought) but time and again Yuko and Clamp has made it clear "there is no coincidence. What there is is Hitsuzen." If that's the case then what Clamp reveals next chapter may be the one thing that ties the events of a repeated timeline to the fight in the ruins of Clow Country ;)