Rob Lucci vs Marshall D. Teach

[Zodiark]

Lucci who's already physically strong without his leopard form and rokushiki master, vs "Blackbeard" Teach.

[cen]

i'll vote for blackbeard coz he could beat ace!

[XIII]

hmm...i think teach will win!

[Captaingod]

Remember that Teach probably is physically stronger than Lucci(He hurt shanks ffs!)

[Mibu Kyoshiro]

I think Lucci can win using Kami-e to dodge teach attack then attack with Rokuougan

[Tomm-E]

I say Teach because Luffy hasn't fought him yet and like every story you gradually move up to fight stronger people =P.

[Niblit544]

Lucci. If blackbeard pulls him in, he can just use that one move that allows him to step on air to get away from the man.

[takachi]

but you can also look at it like this:
luffy >>>> enel
but....
enel still >>>> lucci

i think lucci has a pretty good chance of winning, he is with raw strength on of the strongest characters.... so even if the DF powers of Teach nullifies lucci's i think he is capable enough of defeating marshall without his DF powers....

marshall seems to me the person that has lot of raw strength (like all D.'s) but relies on his DF a LOT...... i mean luffy has lot of raw strength too, but it was all becuz of his DF he was able to beat lucci.....

so imo lucci takes this.....

of course we dont know **** about BB, and his speed, cuz of course fighting a CP9 member, you must have speed, or at least be able to see the speed....

[Zodiark]

Ok, if basing from what Teach can do now then Lucci would definitely win. Teach's physical power can be reduced by tekkai, Lucci can shigan him to death if he pulls him in, rankyaku for ranged attack (though most likely would be absorbed by Teach's black hole), speed and dodge can be done by soru and kami-e, or Rokuougan for the kill. So I bet Teach has another deadly move that Oda yet to show us.

[darkninja27]

Its all teach with that Darkness Devil Fruit power holy **** a war is coming.

[tsunade666]

Teach his still a logia he can swallow just lucci into black hole

[Zodiark]

Well Lucci can soru away or attack from distance using that burning shigan or the unnamed rankyaku that destroyed a building/ship's mast. The biggest ring Rokuougan is also good.

[Iggle]

i agree with zodiark lucci would tear BB apart, but we will never see such a fight

[Rakarth]

I would say its a close call an we also dont know everything about BB powers yet. Still I would go with lucci because he could just as earlier said soru away from BB black hole if he uses it and i think that physically lucci si stonger

[tsunade666]

he would be suck back he if use soru.
its useless to go away from a black hole it will suck you down.
you guys are underestimating the new shichibukai teach thats why
he should have a bounty to measure how strong he is

[Zodiark]

I see you got a point there, but Teach and his black hole hasn't shown any great feats on speed yet, if you watch the show Teach's black hole devours pretty slowly and I'm sure Lucci can get away if he can manage his time well. Lucci can also avoid it by flying. What Lucci wouldn't be able to dodge is dark vortex, though with that Lucci would use tekkai and/or shigan and Teach would be in great pain.

[Rakarth]

I think that zodiark has a point there. Speed is the one that is in luccis favor and if he could take full advantage of that he could win.

[tsunade666]

still underestimating teach
he can suck up lucci and I still think teach has more up to his sleeves
like I said before

[Zodiark]

By "suck" you mean dark vortex?? If that's it than we all already know what Lucci will do, and as previous statement says his black hole does not swallow in a flash or something, but I think Teach has some other way to pull things up other than dark vortex, that Oda hasn't show us yet.

Btw, we are not completely underestimating Teach, if in fact Teach can't win against Lucci that's fine, it's probably not gonna happen because Lucci is much likely dead. I also think that Lucci is on par with some shicibukai or maybe defeat them like Gecko Moria, Crocodile, even Kuma is thinking pretty high on Lucci. Or it goes as you say, Teach has some behind his sleeves that can defeat Lucci and take care of his weakness.

And hey, I currently found a way for Luffy to defeat Teach....

[takachi]

at this point, with the info we have on teach i'd say lucci >> BB

-BB DOES have a logia type DF, but he cant become his ability, like other logia users can.... so its not easy for him to avoid lucci's attacks...
-lucci is the strongest CP9 member in history, idk how strong the power of that vortex is, but im pretty sure that lucci has enough power in his legs to run away with soru, or get away with geppou....
-and fist to fist attacks wouldnt have any effect on lucci, unless BB has as much power as luffy has with his gear 3 on.....

maybe later when we know more about BB i might change my mind, but at this point we dont know **** about him...

[tsunade666]

teach say that in darkness its endless gravity so I think you get the picture
of the power of the vortex thingy
and teach HAVE A BIG DISADVANTAGE against lucci his fruit lets him nullify any
fruit n the process making him receives a lot more damage
But I still put my bet on teach
he looks very sinister for the member of the 4 emperors to fear
him the leader of the red hair shanks
thats my proof about teach
Shanks fear him and feels something about him to even
warn white beard about him and ask for ace to go back
I think the 4 emperors are the strongest pirate and white
beard is with the 4 emperor

[Geyter]

i vote for teach. ace couldn't beat him in a fistfight so lucci certainly can't eighter.

[Raiden]

you know that ace fight style depents a lot on his DFpower? I think Lucci is better in a Fistfight than Ace and probably also than Teach, but we know too few from Teach to really compare him with lucci

[Zodiark]

The thing why Teach can hurt Ace so much is because of that Ace hasn't take any real fist into his body for years since he got his logia, that will leave him lanky and weak, packed with gravitation Teach's fist will surely hurt him. While Teach gave Shanks a scar, even before he got his yami yami no mi, doesn't meant that he dominated Shanks, he might have just ran away before Shanks killed him. Shanks realized Teach was dangerous because he's one of the less that can leave a scar to a yonkou like him so he's worried about what's going to happen to Ace.

[tsunade666]

he still a yonkou leaving a scar to a high level pirate is a honor and no
ordinary pirate can do it to leave and tell the tale
and ace sure is disadvantage because of he is more into logia
but luffy said that ace is stronger even without his logia in tha alabasta arc
and I think ace is not the type of guy that will fall down because of some
weak hits
I still vote for teach :D :D :D
I don't know much about teach skills yet but his gravity and darkness gives you
chills and I already know how strong lucci is so I'm not underestimating
how strong that freaking leopard and in comes with bare fist fight he is strong
but his normal suit is no use in front of gear second he got blown up away
by one punch of jet pistol so he leads to zoan form model leopard
I think teach is physically strong to become a capt of those strong pirates

[Zodiark]

I thought in Alabasta Luffy said that when they were still a kid back then (after he ate gomu gomu no mi)? He hasn't got his logia yet. He still got his nice body shape but Teach also said that he hadn't taken any real hits for years, presumably since Ace got his fire body, though I agree Teach is no weak guy. And non leopard Lucci is same if not stronger than normal Luffy.

[tsunade666]

everything will be fine leave it to luffy will send teach flying like epast events :D
is it just me or many people are defending lucci and I'm the only one defending
teach.
I don't think ace will be weaker because of no ones hitting him for years or
landing a fist against him

[Ussop]

There is no need to defend Teach though. Logia > Zoan for starters. Have you even seen a Zoan defeat a Logia type?

[Zodiark]

Well but Teach said that... Ace can't help it since no one dares or even can land a fist on him. Teach has a massive build and the gravity to boost, but just think, the commander and leader of Whitebeard's 2nd division went down against a few punches?? But he defeated Luffy in the old times when he already ate gomu fruit while hasn't eat any logia at all??

[Ussop]

True, would you like to punch fire? Obviously not. No one other than Luffy would.

[tsunade666]

NO
theirs no battle occur about a zoan and a logia fight to begin with
but isn't logia supposed to be invisibles

[Ussop]

Isn't Lucci Zoan? Isn't Teach Logia? If they fight, wouldn't it be Zoan vs Logia?

[tsunade666]

yap but its not going to happen in the story
so I can't tell if someone will win because
isn't logia user supposed to be invincible

[yep]

they arent invincible. they have the natural problems that elements have such as how electricity is almost useless if there is nothing to conduct it. and blackbeard has a wierd devil fruit so he can still get hit. but your right that its never gonna happen so there isnt really a reason to discuss it so seriously

[tsunade666]

we should be discussing more battles that will occur rather than a agent of WG
and a shichibukai fighting. :D :D

[Zodiark]

Wow, Lucci is getting closer to Teach in the votes...

[Shaden]

Why doesn't teach just suck him into a black hole?

Also, I think Blackbeard would win. We haven't even seen him at his best so just wait.

[tsunade666]

lucci can evade it if its a normal black hole because it needs ground.
the one that can suck lucci is the vortex even lucci use soru the gravity
is endless it will suck him surely .

[PspCrazy]

It so obivous BlackBeard won't lose to Rob Lucci.

[PspCrazy]

Rob lucci will be a idiot in front of blackbeard.

[tsunade666]

the vortex will suck airborne lucci and black hole will suck the life out of a land battle lucci.

[yep]

luffy barely beat lucci but looking at ace, i would say that he doesnt stand a chance for the most part. luffys bounty is on par with some of the warlords but if it takes 7 schichibukai to equal 4 yonkou, and blackbeard defeated the second in command, lucci would definately lose.

[tsunade666]

I vote for the defeat of lucci so I agree to him.
Its just that teach is strong and his not even revealed all his strength yet.

[qwerty28]

Teach will win... definitely... lucci doesn't stand against the darkness...

[tsunade666]

well some people still doubt the strength of teach so they think its lucci but teach's fruit is just to strong and scary.

[ibn]

true, Teach is really a fearsome character with his ability.

and with Lucci using Tenkai against Teach's hits, i think that would work once since Teach doesn't know about his ability, after that Teach would put the power of gravity behind his punches. it seems that he should be able to change the affects of his punches with his df ability... from the softness of a fly to the weight of the world. plus whatever abilities he has up his sleeves.

Teach is a winner. actually, i kinda hope he get one piece.

[condoriano]

Obviously Teach is a major character in the story. His name keeps coming up more and more frequently it seems. What if what ibn says happens? Teach could become the Pirate King, and then square off with Luffy and others.... defending the title so to speak.

[Blaze]

I chose Lucci.
Because I am voting this out of my favorite villains,not who's stronger.
But compare to power,Teach is stronger since he possess one of the strongest DF,and possibly be the next big villain later on into the story.

[tsunade666]

I think teach will not be the biggest villain for now maybe in the new world as a rival for the one piece . like white beard and roger always dueling in the sea. Isn't it great to sea luffy in action most of the time against teach.

[Blaze]

I mean a big villain like the one Luffy will have to fight...like Moria for an example.

[Fudo-myo-o]

Lucci will win because if Teach hold him he will negate his devil fruit power
BUT
Lucci still has Rankyaku and all the other skills and Blackbeard can't make those moves go through him

[Franckie]

Lucci with Zoru is next to impossible to hit. Other skills help him to counter various abilities BB possesses. Since BB's logia-defense is different from other logia fruits, it means Lucci's attacks can hurt, and they will pack a whallop. BB will have to have the speed to follow Lucci's blitzing attacks. Lucci is not dependent upon his DF as a logia-user would be as one of BB's henchmen mentioned when Ace's DF was negated.

While I would say BB since this is the guy who can scar Shanks, I'd say Lucci does have a shot if he gets off to a fast, good start.

[sillytom52]

Teach, cuz he can use blackhole powers from a distance.

[Blaze]

I don't think Teach can adapt to Lucci's speed,but yeah he does have one of the strongest logia devil fruit.... -_-

[shado7]

i say lucci simply because teach's devil fruit ability is strong but it's greatest power, to nullfiy other devil fruits, wouldn't be that big of a deal to lucci and in his fight with ace it didn't seem to me like teach could take a hit like luffy not that he isn't strong but the way he reacted to ace's flame i think lucci would have taken it alot better. so i think lucci would just hit him with shigan a few times then when he tries to retaliate he could use soru to dogde sorry but teach and lucci just wouldn't be a good match up gravity is a strong power but lucci can avoid it to easily and counter with shigan

[Zodiark]

Well I think this topic shall be down until we get to see more from Teach, because from what he demonstrated against Ace would most likely be handled by Lucci. We got to see Teach at his max extent to discuss.. (though it would likely end in Teach's victory by the time we see all his powers).

[zeno2]

TEACH WILL DESTROY ALL

[tsunade666]

I agree with zordiak that we need more teach but still my vote will not change teach will win

[WizKidd91]

Teach becuz if he defeats Ace........

[Kurapika]

BlackBeard would win imo, hes gonna be stronger then lucci since hes not been beat yet, a lot of time the stronger you are the further back in the manga you are, but even if he was before lucci i still say teach, hes insanly powerful

[kisurahara]

i think teach wud win frm just range

[Penguin4732]

Definitely Teach, cause of the fruit. If Teach didn't have a Logia, then it'd definitely be Lucci though.

[Dantrag]

Don't necro-post old topics, especially ones the types have been forbidden long ago. VS-topics are in the list of "Don't make threads from these subjects" these days.

http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=12870

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