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My December
05-08-2009, 01:46 AM
I made this thread because there's a kid in my theory thread tried to talk about Paficista in general. I hate that, it goes further away from my Kuma-Garp theory.

So here you go, brand new and shiny Pacifista thread to talk about... urm, Pacifistas, and leave my theory thread away from other discussions regarding to these cyborgs. Besides, Pacifista can't really be discussed in Kuma's thread, since those PXs are different from Kuma.

Infos about Pacifista taken from onepiece.wikia.com (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pacifista)

Pacifista
The Pacifista is a project of creating a human weapon, in the form of a cyborg started by Dr. Vegapunk. The Shichibukai Bartholomew Kuma is an incomplete model and so are several of his replicas.

Appearance
All the Pacifista replicas seen thus far have been identical in appearance to the original Pacifista, Bartholomew Kuma, even in his uncommon body proportion. Their appearances are so convincing that pirates in the Sabaody Archipelago who see them believe they are the Shichibukai Kuma himself. The Straw Hats were the only ones who noticed it wasn't the real Kuma because they already met him personally. Another difference is that these replicas don't carry a Bible the way Kuma generally does. All Pacifista are labeled by the letters "PX", then a hyphen and a number. The only known ones so far are "PX-1" (who is with Sentoumaru) and "PX-4" (who was defeated by the Straw Hats), as well as two unknown Pacifista who fought the Eleven Supernovas.

Personality
Kuma replicas normally are very calm. However, PX-4 became irritated when he fought the Straw Hat pirates. While Bartholomew Kuma was loyal to the World Government, he still had the free will to choose whether to obey orders or not. In contrast, Sentoumaru has demonstrated full command over the other Pacifista.[1] Kuma himself has also demonstrated he can order the other Pacifista to halt progress. Another feature is that the cyborgs can speak, even when they have done so in limited situations (such as saying the names of their targets).

Abilities and Powers
The Pacifista are cyborgs much like Franky of the Straw Hat Pirates. They have a body made of an unknown substance tougher than steel (as Zoro couldn't damage Kuma at extend). After striking PX-1 once, Sanji was forced to note that another shot at PX-1 would break his legs and PX-1 also continued operating despite the fact Sanji's attack left it on fire. However, as Franky pointed out though they are equipped with various body modifications, like him they are still human and are capable of bleeding.

As cyborgs, the Pacifista are capable of taking staggering amounts of damage and continue to operate afterwards while fighting many strong foes all at once. As stated by Sentoumaru, the funds required for the construction of just one Pacifista would be enough to roughly equal to that of a navy issued battleship. They can identify a person and their bounty on sight using a electronic scope that can identify a person even at a far-off distance.

They are capable of firing laser beams from their mouth and hands (with exception of the real Kuma which the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi cover the palm of his hands) which are replicate to Kizaru's Devil Fruit.

As pointed out by the Straw Hats, the lack of the Devil Fruit ability does not make their defenses or built-in weaponry weaker than those of the original. In fact, it took the entire Straw Hat forces just to bring down one of the replicas - an effort which left them winded and exhausted (though Zoro had previously been damaged from the fight on the Thriller Bark). However, Kuma's Devil Fruit still separates him from the other Pacifistas in terms of overall capabilities; Kuma himself easily dealt with PX-1 unit by "teleporting" him away.



History
Bartholomew Kuma the Pacifista
After Kuma witnessed Moria get beaten by Luffy, Kuma then reported this to the World Government. Fearful that the rumors of Moria's defeat will cause another global uproar like with Crocodile, they ordered Kuma to kill all witnesses on Thriller Bark including the Straw Hat Pirates. Accepting the order, he launched an attack on some of the members of the Thriller Bark Victim's Association before shifting his attention to Zoro. Kuma weakens Zoro, and uses his Devil Fruit ability to take down Franky and Sanji. He gives them an ultimatum: let him kill Luffy, and he lets them live. When they refuse him, Kuma calmly detonates the entire island.

Though this does not succeed in killing the Straw Hats, it knocks all of them out. Just when he is about to finish an unconscious Luffy off, Zoro, in a desperate move, strikes him with a Shishi Sonson (Lion's song) in an effort to kill him by cutting him in two but is only able to damage him. The wound on Kuma's shoulder reveals that he is a Cyborg. He then reveals that he is different from Cyborg Franky. Kuma is an incomplete human weapon created by the World Government and Dr. Vegapunk, known as a Pacifista. Zoro offers to trade his life for Luffy's, seeing no other way. Kuma agrees and at that moment, Sanji decides to give his life up. Zoro promptly knocks him out, feeling necessary to sacrifice his own life rather than Sanji's. Kuma states that he would not harm Luffy, as his "honor would be at stake", in exchange for Zoro experiencing the pain Luffy endured throughout his fight against Moria. Kuma proceeds to literally extract Luffy's pain, and directs it to Zoro, which almost kills him. Kuma then teleports to the entrance to the ship. He is then seen at Thriller Bark musing about Dragon, having a good son with a loyal crew.

The Pacifista attack!
Soon after, many other Pacifista units made their way to the Sabaody Archipelago, where one of them was able to track down and find the escaping Kid Pirates, who were running from other Marine chaos due to the actions partially caused by captain Eustass Kid. The Heart Pirates soon joined in the battle to escape the island.

Also, another Pacifista appeared in front of Urouge and a third in front of the Straw Hats. During the recent battle, they demonstrated none of the Devil Fruit abilities the original Bartholomew Kuma had previously, firing lasers from his hands instead of using his paw fruit, and failing to counter Franky's coup de vent, despite his previous fighting style being heavily focused on reflecting air. It was X. Drake determined that these many Kumas are in fact Pacifistas, into which Vegapunk has copied Kuma's appearance and Kizaru's powers.
Kuma himself arrives and, using his Devil Fruit's pushing ability, separates the Straw Hat crew by sending them flying to different locations each in the One Piece world.

Any discussion specifically on Kuma should be made in Bartholomew Kuma's thread (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=29641)

Sheonite
05-08-2009, 01:53 AM
I figured there was always a thread for this long ago... anyway, I'll try and do something with it.

Sentoumaru told us, the readers, that the PX models were out on a test run. So, they must be out there for a test run because they will be in use soon. That's why I feel that they will be used for WG domination. Don't ask how because I honestly don't know yet.

bobzilla
05-08-2009, 02:20 AM
You think there are pacifista not modeled after Kuma?

Sheonite
05-08-2009, 02:43 AM
Probably... WG domination needs other spies on the inside. I am sure that there may be some Sengoku ones or Tenryuubito ones too.

bobzilla
05-08-2009, 02:50 AM
Tenryuubito Pacifistas? Those would be so horribly weak...just means more people for Luffy to PWN though. :thumbup:

Bedlam
05-08-2009, 03:03 AM
i'm actually liking the idea of pacifista body doubles. can you imagine having a charlos sei pacifista with the strength of Kuma/Sentoumaru?

bobzilla
05-08-2009, 04:39 AM
no, I really can't. I'd love to see Luffy's reaction if that happened though.

My December
05-08-2009, 04:43 AM
You think there are pacifista not modeled after Kuma?

Probably... WG domination needs other spies on the inside. I am sure that there may be some Sengoku ones or Tenryuubito ones too.

Tenryuubito Pacifistas? Those would be so horribly weak...just means more people for Luffy to PWN though. :thumbup:
I don't really think so. Making those Pacifistas require lot of money, and it's a burden even to the WG themselves. I don't think there's a Sengoku or Tenryuubitto version of Pacifistas.

bob85
05-08-2009, 07:33 AM
I'm just throwing things here, but what if the pacifista bears the resemblance of Kuma so that if the WG had a plan to turns the tide of the centuries, saying like killing of the important role in the OP world, and using Kuma's as a fault guy.

Other than that, i am wondering certain things about the px like what body are they made of, considering its the same type of material to change kumas body, certainly if kuma had kairouseki in him(as an example), it'll react to his df, leaving him unable to access his df material. And also, if the model of Pacifista is completed, then funding of it to mass production might be easy as to the resources to build it can be harvest purely by the thousands, such as the building of the great bridge at Tequila Fox.

All of this is not a mystery, i'm pretty sure that someone already come up with it, but certainly, the pacifista is like the name it represent, meaning to deliver unbound and unquestioned justice to whom the WG target. Just a piece of tool the WG have to control their way of justice. Then again, lets think outside the box. Why does the Pacifista exist, if the project is not finished(it cost funding of making a battleship)? And does a pacifista vary from the other, meaning is PX-1 is different from PX-2 ad PX-3?

All Overboard
05-08-2009, 07:40 AM
Given that Pacifistas cost the same as one battleship it seems like the WG has the resources to make at least a hundred of them Each at the same strength. Domination is like a kid taking over a sandbox and forcing others to stay away. If they had that kind of mlitary strength it would be more like complet supremacy at least over the first half of the Grand Line and each of the other Blues in the world...

My December
05-08-2009, 07:47 AM
Other than that, i am wondering certain things about the px like what body are they made of, considering its the same type of material to change kumas body, certainly if kuma had kairouseki in him(as an example), it'll react to his df, leaving him unable to access his df material. And also, if the model of Pacifista is completed, then funding of it to mass production might be easy as to the resources to build it can be harvest purely by the thousands, such as the building of the great bridge at Tequila Fox.
The material that is used on Kuma and the material used to build the PX are different. It was sensed by Zoro during their confrontation with that PX, stating that this (the PX) was "different" from the one they met in Thriller Bark (the real Kuma).

The PXs are the complete version of Pacifista. Only Kuma was the uncomplete one. It was mentioned by Drake when he fought that Pacifista with Urouge, also in SA arc.

Although these PXs are a complete version of Pacifistas, still.. it consume lots of money and resources to build one, as mentioned by Sentoumaru. So I don't think their numbers would be thousands. It should be hundreds.
Why does the Pacifista exist, if the project is not finished(it cost funding of making a battleship)? And does a pacifista vary from the other, meaning is PX-1 is different from PX-2 ad PX-3?
As I've mentioned above, the PXs are the end product of Vengapunk's Pacifista project. I don't think they vary from each other (except of course, Kuma is different). All of the model have the same build and feature, expect they a numbered differently to distinguish them from one another.

All Overboard
05-08-2009, 07:53 AM
So Kuma would be PX-0 or the origin model. Also it seems strange that Vegapunk was able to give them the same power as the Pika Pika no mi. Given that would it not be so far fetched to say that they may be given other severly reduced Devil fruit powers that even we are not aware of.
Also Even though they are all differently number they could have been mass produced with the same specifications. Though even then it doesn't explain how the origin model also has the ability to fire a beam from his mouth...

My December
05-08-2009, 08:02 AM
Also it seems strange that Vegapunk was able to give them the same power as the Pika Pika no mi. Given that would it not be so far fetched to say that they may be given other severly reduced Devil fruit powers that even we are not aware of.
It is not really that surprising that Vengapunk able to produce some of Kizaru's power in those Pacifistas, when he (assuming that he's the one) can create an object with DF powers (Mr. 4 Lasso cannon dog, and Spandam's Funkfreed Elephant sword).
Whether or not those PX still have other duplicated DF powers, we don't know. But so far, we only know that the PX can shoot Kizaru's laser beam.
Though even then it doesn't explain how the origin model also has the ability to fire a beam from his mouth...
Origin model? You mean Kuma? Since Kuma is also considered as a Pacifista, probably he has all of the PX features, except that he has an extra DF power, the Paw Paw fruit.

All Overboard
05-08-2009, 08:06 AM
What confuses me more is that are the pacifistas robots or humans. They may bleed but can they even be considered human. They are unable to speak or reason other than get this or that target. Also the origin model has two devil fruit powers so why hasn't he been destroyed from it.

(Origin model refers to Kuma and here by will always be referred to as such while in the context of this particular thread)

My December
05-08-2009, 08:23 AM
What confuses me more is that are the pacifistas robots or humans. They may bleed but can they even be considered human. They are unable to speak or reason other than get this or that target.
They are Cyborgs >_>
As the term "cyborg" suggest, they are robotic organism.. means they have flesh and blood, with some metal scrap wired to them D;

Also the origin model has two devil fruit powers so why hasn't he been destroyed from it.
It's not like Kuma ate 2 DF fruit. How can he? The Pika Pika no Mi is Kizaru's fruit. It's just that some WG scientist (most likely Vengapunk) had found a way to transfer DF abilities to others, without killing them.

2 manga
05-08-2009, 08:32 AM
that vegapunk is a genius. Maybe it will turn out that he is being forced to work for the marines, and produce more pacifista. Wb's main ship destroyed 23 battleships in an instant. So it should also be able to destroy 23 pacifista in an instant, and to think that it took the whole SH crew to defeat one of these things.

Unbalance
05-08-2009, 09:00 AM
that vegapunk is a genius. Maybe it will turn out that he is being forced to work for the marines, and produce more pacifista. Wb's main ship destroyed 23 battleships in an instant. So it should also be able to destroy 23 pacifista in an instant, and to think that it took the whole SH crew to defeat one of these things.

not really same cost but different product and uses

interesting why vegapunk never give others DF, is he afraid that the fruit may give personallity to the lifeless machine like kuma and rebel against order (kinda)

Aussie Kid
05-09-2009, 12:03 AM
Well i would just like to spin off a suggestion for why Kuma can use Kizaru's DF. i intepreted it as that Dr. V put Kizarus (dont know what to call it) light essence or whatevr into a piece of machinary into the pacifistas and then the can call on it whenever they want. call it like a laser fuel tank if you will.

My December
05-09-2009, 04:18 AM
Well i would just like to spin off a suggestion for why Kuma can use Kizaru's DF. i intepreted it as that Dr. V put Kizarus (dont know what to call it) light essence or whatevr into a piece of machinary into the pacifistas and then the can call on it whenever they want. call it like a laser fuel tank if you will.
Yes, that is highly probably... since it is not like Kuma or the Pacifista have Kizaru's light power. Probably Kizaru's light essence, or energy to shoot those lasers is stored at some part of their body, or a generator D;

bob85
05-12-2009, 04:35 AM
Just want some info on Pacifista, is it really a completed project? MD did said that Drake clarify this, and Kuma is the only imperfect version of the project. Can someone support this?

frostflame2
05-12-2009, 04:41 AM
i thought kuma was saying that the pacifista's were incomplete, in general, not that only he was incomplete.

bob85
05-12-2009, 05:00 AM
So, the pacifista that showed up might be the prototype version, only to see its battle capability and send back the data back to Vegapunk for further inquiry, in a way right? I'm just stating the logic of producing more that 1 prototype of pacifista, an incomplete at that, and merely remarking that each of the PX has different state of programmed and weapon at their disposal, but seeing all of the PX has the same battle ability, it might just be a way for testing it on a real battle situation and see their capability at the exact confrontation. And still linger in my mind, is if it was a matter of human+technology or technology with human exterior in the process of making this pacifista, we know that it can bleed, and show sighs of pain (the one confronting Luffy and crew).

yahiko21
10-21-2009, 03:43 AM
I don't understand why they didn't just build a robot (or few) out of Sea Stone.... It'll destroy most of the DF users like it's nothing.

I wish there is more robots/ cyborgs or androids, not just Pacifistas, in the future, Robots are cool xD

I wonder Why Vegapunk took such an interest that they all look like Kuma ...

My December
10-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Because seastones are afterall... stones? and not metal. Its weird isn't it, making cyborgs with stones (even if they were hard as diamonds).
Besides, there might not be lots of those seastones to create Pacifistas with them. Pacifistas made out of seastones body is uber pawnage D:

DeadFantasy
10-21-2009, 07:13 AM
Because seastones are afterall... stones? and not metal. Its weird isn't it, making cyborgs with stones (even if they were hard as diamonds).
Besides, there might not be lots of those seastones to create Pacifistas with them. Pacifistas made out of seastones body is uber pawnage D:

I agree if Pacifistas were made from seastones they would own almost everyone...

karrontu
10-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Because seastones are afterall... stones? and not metal. Its weird isn't it, making cyborgs with stones (even if they were hard as diamonds).
Besides, there might not be lots of those seastones to create Pacifistas with them. Pacifistas made out of seastones body is uber pawnage D:

o.o not they can be turned into metals. since they applies it on to marine's ship with a metal. that sails through the calm belt.

SnakeSphere
10-21-2009, 10:30 AM
I think the seastones is really limited sources in OP...otherwise everyone will have seastones equipment and seastones bullet will be abundant...