[Character]: MINATO NAMIKAZE/Yondaime Hokage

[Manga-Otaku]

Thanks to LeafNinja...

At the age of ten the young man who would become Fourth Hokage graduated from the Academy. Shortly afterwards he became the student of Jiraiya alongside two fellow team members. Under the Ero-Sennin he would greatly increase his skills and impress Jiraiya with his tenacity. Jiraiya would select the boy to carry on the heritage of frog summoning. His skills would further grow with the development of Rasengan and Hiraishin. The latter technique would grant him the nickname "Konoha's Yellow Flash" because of the way he and his bright yellow hair would flicker out of existence to appear elsewhere.

As the years passed he became Chuunin and later Jounin. As a Jounin he became sensei of the team of Hatake Kakashi, Rin and Uchiha Obito. As a gift for Kakashi's advancement to Jounin, he gave his him a unique kunai marked with one of the Hiraishin transportation markers. Later in one particular battle, this technique allowed four Leaf ninjas to throw teleportation kunai at 50 Rock-Nin. Using the transportation technique, he was able to move from kunai to kunai while they were in the air, to wipe out all 50 with little trouble. After this battle, his student Rin used Kakashi's kunai to bring the Fourth Hokage to her location to protect her and an unconscious Kakashi from Rock ninjas. Unfortunately by the time he arrived Uchiha Obito was already dead, he managed to save Kakashi and Rin though. They would later go on to fulfill their mission and help repel the Rock invasion.

In the months to come he would be selected by Sandaime Hokage to follow him as village leader. His first choice Orochimaru failed to live up to his expectations. The village was in very good hands however. Yondaime's love of his friends and the village would inspire all those around him. He then made the ultimate sacrifice when the Kyuubi came calling. Using one final technique he had developed, the sacrificial Shiki Fuujin, he managed to stop the beast and seal its spirit in the body of the newborn baby Naruto. Though this resulted in Yondaime's death, he managed to save the village.

Years later during the invasion of Leaf by Sand and Sound, Orochimaru attempted to use the forbidden jutsu Edo Tensei to bring the bodies of the previous Hokage's back to fight for him. The coffin of the Fourth Hokage was apparently close to emerging when the Third Hokage managed to stop its arrival. Yondaime could continue to rest in peace and his heritage could continue to protect the village.


What happened to him? Did he really die? What do you think happened or did happen and why?

Marking this as the official Character Discussion thread for Minato Namikaze, aka Yondaime Hokage. Post all thoughts, comments, discussions, theories and opinions on him here. Original thread title was "The Fourth Hokage." -RF

[flamboozie]

he is dead... poor yondy...

[MangaAddict]

Hes dead but is somehow related to naruto (father, brother, uncle, whatever) cause they look alike and have the same abilities...

[tsukyomi]

some people still think he has something to do with akatsuki
i believe he's naruto's father but he has nothing to do with
akatsuki
he's obvilously dead ,remember when oro summoned the dead hokages to
fight the third the fourth's coffin came up but got stopped by
shurikens remember?

[Kay]

well rumors have it that he was the akatsuki leader but screw that part,he is dead except kishi reanimate the death

[Arystar Krory]

he is dead

[ValkyrieEG]

that is the scenario people are talking about these days (actually for a while now). YOndaime is actually Naruto's father and every fangirl's dreams come true when Yondaime suddenly comes back to life -_-;;

I really don't think Yonadaime is gonna come back, but it IS pretty likely that YOndaime is Naruto's father

It won't contribute to the storyline I guess, since Yondaime probably doesn't have anything to do with Akatsuki (I think?) but it would trigger a few fanfic topics.

[Manga fanatic]

yodaime is definetly narutos father or brother. but i think Pein had an encounter with fourth like old enemys

[dman]

I think that Pein is Naruto's father and Yondaime's brother, which would make Yondaime Naruto's uncle.

[Zero Shiki]

i kinda think that Yondaime is Narutos father and Pein is narutos brother

[DisturbedMind]

I think the 4th is Naruto's father. Other than that, I hope he isn't dead, but I think he is.....but I do like the uncle idea.

[Acidrain]

I definetly think the 4th is naruto's father as well...I mean come on...I think its pretty damn obviouse

[DisturbedMind]

but I also thought the 4th had something to do with akatsuki, so I don't know with this series anymore.

[Durrok]

Wether he is Naruto's father, uncle or brother im not sure but im pretty sure he is related because there is a big big big hint in Manga issue 399 pages 13-14. When Kakashi is looking at Naruto he sees an image of the 4th.

Also im 100% sure the 4th is dead because the sealing technique he used to seal the 9 tails in Naruto required him to sacrifice his own life just the same as the 3rd did during the fight with Oro. So i really cant see him worming his way out of that one.

[MangaAddict]

In the manga database thingy it lists jutsus and who has performed those jutsus but the yondaime isnt listed under the sealing technique... could be a mistake but who knows?

[tsukyomi]

but I also thought the 4th had something to do with akatsuki, so I don't know with this series anymore.

kishimoto enjoys toying with our minds:eek:

[tsunade666]

Whats this a family tree talk but still I think naruto is related somehow with the fourth but it also be good twist of story if the fourth comes back like their is a secret about the demonic sealing method that the 4th didn't tell the 3rd that why the 3rd die hehehehe maybe a secret jutsu is needed to use first before the demonic seal start that will be pretty good and when naruto start loosing control when a event leads him to transform 9th tails there goes the father the blonde yellow flash rescue the day again what do you think:lol::lol:
hehehe:D

[amtro]

why does pein have to do anything to do with naruto?

[Excel-Kleinwald]

When Itachi first appeared it was revealed that he was after the fourth hokage's legacy, that being Naruto. So therefore Naruto is AT LEAST related, and I don't think Naruto has anything to do with Pein even though they "look alike". I look like complete strangers, doesn't mean I am related to them.

[Gayle_85]

well you could consider naruto the fourthe legacy because he "made him" and i'm not talking genetic donations here.

Second out here in the real world yeah you might look like complete strangers, but why in the world of a manga would the artist that has complete control over the looks of thier characters would they make characters look alike if they didn't want to speculation to the genetic donors and such.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

Because that is the way he drew the character? You cannot deny that Tsunade's little brother looked A LOT like Naruto and they barely have anything to do with each other.

[Gayle_85]

the mangaka wanted you and and tsunade to make a connection between her brother and naruto, they both shared the dream. the connection doens't have to be family related

[Goldens]

no doubt yondaime is naruto father...

[Zero Shiki]

yeah like with ichigo and kaien in bleach

[Smasher]

What about pein? he looks alot like naruto too. I had a theory that the woman and Pein are his parents and Madara made a deal with them to join him and left their son with yodaime, his brother. Madara used his eyes to send the 9 tails to the village and all that stuff happened.

[Vermillius]

Where in the manga does it say that the 4th graduated from the academy at age 10? Please give the chapter...that sounds made up.

[DevILsPresEnCe]

Yea i agree that both Pein and Yondaime are related to naruto but Yondaime simply can't be alive because as demostrated by the 3rd one must give up their life in order to do the sealing technique.

[kazenokoe]

what if the one who perform the sealing jutsu was yondaime's kage bushin..??

[tsunade666]

hahahaha smasher you liked drama
leavign his son to his brother hehehehe a good story
but still I doubt a family relationship between pein and naruto and connection maybe and whats with tons of piercing in pein face somekind of fashion:lol::lol:

[Omi]

seriously if naruto was yondaime's son the villagers would have given him a lot more respect in the beggining of the manga

[casey.wan]

i highly doubt the fourth is naruto's father. a pure genius giving birth to a failure? i don't think so. like it or not. naruto is a failure. sasuke is far better than him after the same time of training. and pein being his father? that's even worse. he never lost a battle

[ciaalu]

but if naruto is not related to yodaime at all??? he may be related to pain, but to be related to yodaime would be too obvious...
and i dont agree that naruto is such a failure. after the treatment he received all his life being a brat like that is not such a surprise. but he may turn out to be pretty strong, although not a genius.
afterall the manga is named after him, so well see what turns out.

[Kira=God]

I prefer to idea of pein being naruto's father and yodaime being pein's brother yodaime was like watching over naruto because pein went crazy and evil like i mean why else would yodaime choose naruto out of all the babies as the capsule to seal away kyuubi? you dont just pick some random kid and maybe naruto is a genius????!!!! maybe the 9 seal jutsu screwed him up and hes the way he is beacause of it? You dont know!

[Kenpachi]

Kira=God
but if naruto is not related to yodaime at all??? he may be related to pain, but to be related to yodaime would be too obvious...
and i dont agree that naruto is such a failure. after the treatment he received all his life being a brat like that is not such a surprise. but he may turn out to be pretty strong, although not a genius.
afterall the manga is named after him, so well see what turns out.

What u mean a failure he took out Kakuzu, the only way akatsuki is going down is at the hands of Naruto, no genious like Sasuke or Neji or Kakashi is gonna put them down, he may of been a failure up untill he learned how to control the fox chakra but now he is the hidden leaves ultimate weapon like him or not.

[HaynNaruto]

k dont think that hes dead i think that for the sealing jutsu he used narutos mom some how so that eh would stay alive

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

it is almost clear that yondaime is narutos father
there some parts in the manga wich say something like that - and its known that yondaime wanted that the people in konoha see naruto as a hero - but they were afraid of him
http://www.basehead.org/files/shots/itachi-sanbackground.jpg

[Yux]

lol Who knows maybe if he would have let it open and it was empty:eek:
(would be a great art design) XD

[ciaalu]

alright i have a question. does anybody has any idea what happened to naruto's mother? did she die while giving birth to naruto? maybe it was similar to gaara. his mother died because she could not handle shukaku's power. so was kyuubi sealed in naruto when he was born or still in his mother's womb?
and another question that a lot of people uses in order to support their argument that yodaime was narutos father . what took him so long to get where kyuubi was. everybody was waiting for him.
how he already knew that naruto was about to be born to seal kyuubi there. he must have prepared for having sealed kyuubi inside of him. but why naruto?
it just seems that these things r completely missed out from the story.it seems that its not important at all if they missed it all out.
just my humble opinion.
does anybody have any reasonable answer for that? not wild speculations?
thanks

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

maybe yondaime is peins father Oo

[DevILsPresEnCe]

what if the one who perform the sealing jutsu was yondaime's kage bushin..??
That is pretty interesting that u say that but u'd think that Sabdaime would have done the same if it were possibe.

[Acidrain]

That is pretty interesting that u say that but u'd think that Sabdaime would have done the same if it were possibe.

hmmm...yeah...good point...what would happen?

[Deidara]

If the Sandaime did it................................................ .................................................. .....
I have no idea, un.
But he probably could and did not, because maybe the Fourth somehow said something about the Will of Fire and since it was he who was the Hokage, he should be the one to sacrifice for the village, etc, and the Sandaime let him go. Plausible, hm?

[Zaera Pollo Grantz]

i kinda think that Yondaime is Narutos father and Pein is narutos brother

I think Yondaime is his fther and Pein is completely unrelated to him -_-' what makes you think Pein is related to him? And don't say the spiky hair cuz pretty much every character has spiky hair... does that mean sasuke is his father too?

[Zero Shiki]

but sasuke said he looks like naruto in one of the spoilers and the mangaka wouldnt make him say that unless it meant something or he wanted readers to make the realization as well.

of course if the spoiler is wrong this messes up my speculation.

[BlackOmega]

Speaking on if the forth is dead or not and Oro not summoning him, me and a friend had an argument about that, my input was

Oro tried to summon him [the Fourth], but failed because rather than passing on to the afterlife, the fourth doomed himself to an eternity within the death god's stomach, so his soul could not be summoned

that's how I see it anyway... that or the third did something to stop the summoning

[Deidara]

People, remember, the coffin summoned in the manga didn't indicate whether it was the Fourth Hokage or not. In the anime, they did, but they also showed Kakashi doing a Katon through his mask, un. I do not believe in people breathing fire through masks.
Anyway, it could have been the Yondaime Kazekage that he just killed earlier, un.

[Zero Shiki]

the third hokage said "i cant allow him to summon that one". and o thought the kanji on the coffin meant the fourth.

[Deidara]

The kanji was only shown in the anime, and the anime is flawed. That was what I meant, hm.

[SilverKunai]

The anime adds extra things that aren't really needed. That's why I stopped after Valley of the End.

[Deidara]

Same here. I started reading the manga after that.
Fillers suck bad, un.

[Tobis a good boy@@@]

Yondaime is Narutos father dident Jiraiya tell him the 4th was in fact his father and Pein I think is the 4ths brother and Narutos uncle but who knows:rolleyes:

[Deidara]

...Jiraiya did NOT tell Naruto that the Yondaime was his father. What're you smoking?

[Acidrain]

Sigh...he probably is naruto's father...I think we are SUPOSSED to figure this out by now guys...

[Deidara]

Yeah, but Jiraiya didn't tell Naruto that the Fourth was his father.

[Acidrain]

So? Nobody said anything about the KYUUBI living inside him either, until it was too late!

[Deidara]

Too late for what, hm?
They were forbidden to tell him that he was the Kyuubi. Why would they want to keep the fact that he was the son of the Fourth from him, un?

[Deidara]

Wait, I think you misintepreted my reply wrongly.
'Tobis a good boy@@@' said that Jiraiya told Naruto that the Fourth was his father. I'm just saying that Jiraiya didn't, not that 'Jiraiya didn't tell him so the Fourth wasn't his father', get it?

[Acidrain]

Mmhm, yeah i get you, no hard feelings lol

[Deidara]

I guess it was kinda my fault that I didn't phrase it right either =\

[NobiNobi]

if pein is naruto's sibling why would he got lost so far away to the village of the rain? Stange.. But the fourth, pein, and naruto has the quite similar appearance.. hmmmm

[Zero Shiki]

Yondaime is Narutos father dident Jiraiya tell him the 4th was in fact his father and Pein I think is the 4ths brother and Narutos uncle but who knows:rolleyes:

he told him how much he looks and reminds him of the fourth hokage.

[LegacyX]

lol wtf he is dead end of story

[Raijuu]

yes Jiraiya never told naruto the forth was his father thats why we dont know he just said they looked alike..... and the pein being the 4th brother.... eerrr no way....

[Zero Shiki]

i kinda think he is related somehow but being part of the rain village throwes me off.

[Acidrain]

...man...I really want to know what kind of powers pein has...

[Deidara]

I'm thinking weather.
BH looked at Pein and "Pein...You..."-ed him when it started to rain again, hmm.

[Acidrain]

...I kinda think that was just a coincidence dude...to idk...make the scenery more dark and cool and evil!

[Deidara]

Why would she "Pein...You..." him if it was just rain, un?

[tsunade666]

4th dead and the relationship of the 4th, pein and naruto is still not clear maybe kishi just want to toy with our minds and the trueth they are not connected
hehehehe

[Deidara]

^ The 4th being Naruto's dad isn't too far fetched, un.

[Zero Shiki]

thats kinda wat i thought.

[Deidara]

That's kinda what alot of people thought.
Anyone know if the Yondaime knew Kage Bunshin, un?

[tsunade666]

using the kage bunsin for summoning the deathgod pretty lame if you ask me and pretty clever but still his dead that sure unless kishi start reviving him all of a sudden

[Acidrain]

Why would she "Pein...You..." him if it was just rain, un?

I think that was just something between them dude

[hallow_dog]

if i remeber somthing i read was that, naruto would become stornger and fight along till one day he had finally met hes true blood but with differnt things in mind, and that or had somthing to do with it.

[hallow_dog]

^ The 4th being Naruto's dad isn't too far fetched, un.

but didnt they say early in the manga that he was his dad tho?

[Excel-Kleinwald]

The closest thing that has been said that he is his father was that Naruto was the fourth hokage's legacy.

[hallow_dog]

The closest thing that has been said that he is his father was that Naruto was the fourth hokage's legacy.

ooook i knew i heard somthing but didnt really kno what it was since it was like forever ago so thank u excel

[MangaAddict]

What was that legacy thing about anyway? Does Itachi know something that no one else seems to know?

[Excel-Kleinwald]

Well I was assuming that since they were after Naruto and said they were after the fourth's legacy I was assuming that Naruto was his son. It's like what you leave behind after you die, this time it would be Naruto.

[hallow_dog]

Well I was assuming that since they were after Naruto and said they were after the fourth's legacy I was assuming that Naruto was his son. It's like what you leave behind after you die, this time it would be Naruto.

he might of was asking if that naruto knew that the 4th was his dad, but i think pien is leaving itichi out of the loop about actually killing naruto to stop him becoming either the 6th of the 7th even mabye

[SilverKunai]

The legacy could also mean the Kyuubi..

[Excel-Kleinwald]

No he was just telling Gai I think it was, that he was trying to capture the fourth's legacy. He wasn't asking anything. And I think Pein is just leaving Itachi out of the loop because Tobi told him to take care of it to get the Kyuubi and it has nothing to do with 6th or 7th hokage.

[dman]

I also think that Itachi meant the kyuubi when he said the Fourth's legacy. A legacy is something people remember you for. Everyone remembers the Fourth for being the one who sealed the Kyuubi inside Naruto.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

leg-uh-see noun, plural -cies.

1. Law. a gift of property, esp. personal property, as money, by will; a bequest.
2. anything handed down from the past, as from an ancestor or predecessor: the legacy of ancient Rome.
3. an applicant to or student at a school that was attended by his or her parent.
4. Obsolete. the office, function, or commission of a legate.

just thought some information would help you all discuss this.

[MangaAddict]

So theres a double meaning which makes it very dificult for us to decipher...
If naruto is the 4ths son I doubt Itachi, of all people, would know when not even naruto knows...

[Excel-Kleinwald]

why would everyone tell Naruto when everybody hated him?

[MangaAddict]

The 3rd didnt hate him and he had to have known.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

Was there any reason to tell him? I mean wouldn't it just be worse to have another Konohamaru going around thinking he's all that because of his heritage?

[MangaAddict]

Do you think thats what would go through his fictional mind?
Naruto had nothing when he was growing up and he had no parents. Telling him that his father was a powerful ninja would have given him more confidence and happiness.

[SilverKunai]

....But remember the Fourth did take down armies of people in the war. If Naruto were to become a ninja and they knew Naruto was the Fourth's son, then they would all go after him in revenge.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

Perhaps, or maybe they were waiting for the right time to tell him all of this or something but all of the elders wouldn't like it.

[SilverKunai]

This post I am making is to bump this thread.

Stop making Fourth Hokage Threads and post your theories HERE!

[hallow_dog]

ummm btu wouldnt they tell naruto and keep a eye on him if they were after him?

[Excel-Kleinwald]

It would be easier not to tell him anything and to not risk any attacks whatsoever

[Renjigal]

I think the 4th is Naruto's father. Other than that, I hope he isn't dead, but I think he is.....but I do like the uncle idea.

I think that too, it's quite obvious b/c since he's a hokage he'd care for his ppl so he'd rather sacrifice himself and his son then someone elses (unles he's a bad hokage*laughs*) -also aren't naruto and the 4th hokage the only one's in the village with blonde hair? maybe it's just me haha


http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/?action=view&current=headerrh1.jpg

[Acidrain]

I think that too, it's quite obvious b/c since he's a hokage he'd care for his ppl so he'd rather sacrifice himself and his son then someone elses (unles he's a bad hokage*laughs*) -also aren't naruto and the 4th hokage the only one's in the village with blonde hair? maybe it's just me haha


http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/?action=view&current=headerrh1.jpg

Haha...Yeah, i think they WERE the only people with blond hair XD *rubs the back of his head*

[kusiobache]

sorry silver kunai didnt see this thread

wat if the 4th sealed part of himself in naruto?

that would explain why they look alike, how naruto learned the rasengan so fast, and why jiraiya and the others are interested in him, eg teaching him frog summoning like he did for the 4th

[Useless]

or he could possibly be his son....or relative....i mean he wouldnt put the kyuubi in a random child....
jiraiya took an interest in him cuz he was protecting him from akatsuki.....
and the summoning was taught because he did the sexy no jutsu so jiraiya would be his teacher

[Excel-Kleinwald]

I don't think his heritage had ANYTHING to do with him learning the Rasengan fast... but do you think the 4th hokage had a lot of chakra like Naruto does?

[Useless]

probably....naruto has alot by himself and even more with the kyuubi..

[Acidrain]

hmmm...naruto hasent summoned anything in a while...does anyone know if the 4th had a summon creature?

[kusiobache]

i posted a theory i didnt say it was true.

and about that harem jutsu part. naruto never sustained it so it didnt really do much, just made jiraiya happy for a few moments and mad for awhile.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

The fourth hokage's name was on the summoning pact that Jiraiya gave Naruto

[Acidrain]

...who said anything about naruto's harem jutsu? XD

[Acidrain]

The fourth hokage's name was on the summoning pact that Jiraiya gave Naruto

Oh really? Was it in japanese? wait...now that I think about it, I DO think that the 4th summoned the boss frog to fight the kyuubi

[kusiobache]

in the first post it says jiraiya chose the 4th to continue the frog summoning legacy

or he could possibly be his son....or relative....i mean he wouldnt put the kyuubi in a random child....
jiraiya took an interest in him cuz he was protecting him from akatsuki.....
and the summoning was taught because he did the sexy no jutsu so jiraiya would be his teacher

sexy no jutsu is harem hutsu

[Renjigal]

does it ever say in the manga or aniem where Naruto's parents are or wat happened to them? cuz if not i'm sticking to my theory. (4th hokage =Naruto's dad)


http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/?action=view&current=headerrh1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/headerrh1.jpg

[Useless]

The fourth hokage's name was on the summoning pact that Jiraiya gave Naruto

why does that matter?
in the first episode it shows him on gamabunta....

[Acidrain]

does it ever say in the manga or aniem where Naruto's parents are or wat happened to them? cuz if not i'm sticking to my theory. (4th hokage =Naruto's dad)


http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/?action=view&current=headerrh1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/159263inuyasha/headerrh1.jpg

I think the 4th is definetly naruto's father...I dont think its a big mystery...

[DevILsPresEnCe]

Well in giving birth to a Bijuu holder or whatever they are called the mother dies and im 99.999% sure that the 4th is Naruto's Father.

[Acidrain]

I think the 4th put the the kyuubi in naruto (his son hehehe) because he knew that naruto had a lot of stamina and could handle the kyuubi

[Useless]

it wasnt that he had a lot of stamina...they cant measure that as a newborn baby...it was probably his son and he didnt want to burden any1 with that except his own kin....
and naruto wasnt born with the kyuubi so i dont know what happened to his mother.....
the kyuubi was sealed within him with a jutsu...different way than what happened to gaara....

[DevILsPresEnCe]

geez i say what happens to the mom only two posts before !!!!!!! and if u doubt this Gaara states this in the anime.

[Acidrain]

...isnt the bijuu sealed into a jinchuuriki AFTER he is born?

[DevILsPresEnCe]

yea i didnt know the name so i called it a bijuu holder

[Useless]

well like i said that happened to gaara's mom because of the way it was sealed inside him....
however it was different to what happened to naruto
so that wasnt what killed his mom...but i dont know what did since it was not revealed...

[Acidrain]

...she probably just died in child birth like many other mothers

[Useless]

thats what i assume....not anything all crazy and what not....

[Deidara]

A sacrifice was needed for the sealing of Shukaku to take place, thus Gaara's mother was used. She did not die in childbirth, un.

[ChiObito]

Agreed, yes.

[Kitsune Karin]

I'm quite (97%) sure that Yon is Naruto's dad....
I wonder, if Orochi taught Sasuke that tensei jutsus that can bring people fr death
than, Naruto defeat Sasuke and as the gift of defeating him,
Sasuke bring Yon & wife alive and make a peaceful family & friendship (Naruto-Sasuke) ~end

[YellowFlash]

Minato knows something some how he could forsee all this comming and made a plan

[takachi]

he prolly knew somehow that kyuubi was rather a summon than a creature build out of hatred and negative things (or something like that)....... maybe thats why he saved kyuubi, cuz he could have also sealed the kyuubi along with himself to the shinigami, ne??? like sandaime did to shodai & nidaime..... or did i miss something??

i also wonder why we dont know the names of the 1st & 2nd, i mean they DO are kinda related to the story..... and they waited long enough for yondi's name to be revealed..... so i think in time we will know a bit more about them too......... at least i hope so

[Rafa]

i really want yondame to appear in the manga and talk to naruto somehow...



but hey didnt itachi want to talk to naruto about something but then sasuke appeareD? maybe he was going say something bout narutos mom or dad or sasuke idk >.< wat u guys think

[LIMON]

we know madara uchiha is also involve in this since the fox know him, we also heard from jairaya that the fox wasnt a disaster that it was summon by someone rather,


but what about the other 8 tailed demons?

[susanoo's summoning]

well you can forget about Yondaime coming back to talk to naruto he is in the death god's belly with 1st,2nd,3rd,oro's arms and Kyubbi's yang chakra.
but we might see an evil clone from Pain, but thats about it.

[YellowFlash]

No i get this feeling were gonna see Minato again some how

[LIMON]

he left a video tape ! lol

where he explains how sorry he is for not being with naruto like every parent and not only he left naruto alone but with the nine tail fox problem

[HaynNaruto]

XD yeah tape i think that he left naruto with fox so that his son could be the stongist hokage like his father and also to solve the problem of the nine tails and to compate his jutsu

[LIMON]

XD yeah tape i think that he left naruto with fox so that his son could be the stongist hokage like his father and also to solve the problem of the nine tails and to compate his jutsu

no dude thats lame lol

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i wonder how naruto will react when he hears the truth of his parents


btw lol >>>>>http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7028/narutoiseeyourfuturebymtc7.gif

[HaynNaruto]

i think that he will find out eather at jirayas death or by him self and will end up putting it all togther and go on to bcoem hokage

[Ransatsu]

All right 1st of all
all of your theories about Pein having any relation to Naruto or the 4th is impossible because Pein is over a thousand years old
Pein is an entity capable of switching bodies (possibly using the bodies of the dead).

[Pansori]

All right 1st of all
all of your theories about Pein having any relation to Naruto or the 4th is impossible because Pein is over a thousand years old....

Whoah... did I miss something? Where was Pein being over a thousand years old stated?

[RhyssaFireheart]

All right 1st of all
all of your theories about Pein having any relation to Naruto or the 4th is impossible because Pein is over a thousand years old
Pein is an entity capable of switching bodies (possibly using the bodies of the dead).
Whoah... did I miss something? Where was Pein being over a thousand years old stated?
It was in the conspiracy thread. Didn't you get the memo about the update?

:rolleyes:

[ghassassin]

It was written somewhere that Pein was created by some old civilisation people and is among the few or maybe the only one left out of those who were created. He was able to control his mind which others cant and thus survived for those long thousand years.

[Pansori]

Does someone have a link? Because that one flew completely over my head. I did a search, and can't find it. Did someone from OM come up with that, or is it the new popular theory floating around the internet right now?

[aluCard_pX]

i think pein is somehow connected to naruto! coz i've read this page in which they "pein and konan" were talking about naruto saying like how he's grown up and stuff..

awww... sorry wrong post... >_<

made a mistake... this is what happens when you open it in new tabs ... sorry

[susanoo's summoning]

Does someone have a link? Because that one flew completely over my head. I did a search, and can't find it. Did someone from OM come up with that, or is it the new popular theory floating around the internet right now?
your not going crazy this is just people going off the deep end......

ready for the next random crap....
naruto has 1000 kyubbi's in him and they are all from the future...
but on there way for ramen they get into a car crash and naruto looses 998 of the tails, so theres only 2 tails left and then they..... um........mmmmm...
start a band yea naruto and the 2 tails!!!
^_^ see i can make things up too

[LIMON]

i dont think pain is the 4th hokage but, in the last chapter we learn that jiraya was his teacher, maybe he is the 4th brother?old friend?

we still dont really know until next chapter :D

[poca_poca]

well, jiraiya had three stundents, minato, konan and a chubby boy. A strong possibility Pein is the chubby boy from minato's team, with desire to overcome his teacher he learns dark jutsu and determined to beat hanzou and get recognition being stronger than the sannin. And on the way he met Tobi and decided to make akatsuki to dominate the world.

[Hakushaku]

Well :| Yondaime IS naruto's father :| both Tsunade and Jiraya spoke about this :| i can't understand your "i think i think" ...

And for what concerns Pein :| well i don't think there is a real connection between Pein and Yondaime.. Pein was from rain village, Yondaime from Leaf... so... how it's possible they were father-son or brothers? That's totally fool and out-of-plot...

The only thing that is possible is that Pein has his corpse and he could transfer his soul in it. That's all. Maybe as Orochimaru had the possibility to reach those bodies, even him could take in some way the yondaime corpse.. maybe just because orochimaru died... I don't really know, but i hope there is not real link between yonda-naruto and pain... it would be very boring

[ghassassin]

Yes there is no contact between Minato and Pain, I agree. But its possible that Pain has some relation with Naruto's mom. Maybe not a blood relation but somewhat that they knew each other.

[Crimson]

Yea that could b possible but we wont know fer sure until Kishi says so.....

[ghassassin]

Well for that fact, we cant saying anything that is gonna happen. They are just all predictions as to what "may" happen next....

[Crimson]

I know....i was just saying. Predictions are good.

[susanoo's summoning]

the focal point around minato is what is this "something of grave importance" that pery sage speaks about...... http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/14/

the page before this good too......

kishi is a man of subtlies and pays attention to small details that latter reveal large clues and finally BOOM the pucnh line of the mystery and we are all like........"how come we didnt notice this b4"....... but i think i got one here......

notice that pervy sage says that it was specific reason that minato wanted the Kyubbi in his own son.... and what does naruto have that makes him minato son......RASENGAN!!!! the kyubbi's yang chakra(once mastered and controled) will assist in rasengan's completion.

[OoOxRuichixOoO]

notice that pervy sage says that it was specific reason that minato wanted the Kyubbi in his own son.... and what does naruto have that makes him minato son......RASENGAN!!!! the kyubbi's yang chakra(once mastered and controled) will assist in rasengan's completion.

That is accurate enough. But don't facial features like their blue eyes and yellow spiky hair also count? Ok , but I think someone intentionally summoned the Kyuubi , it might have been Minato. Minato is plotting something here...but I get the feeling its very much connected to the entire series itself.

[susanoo's summoning]

lol i didnt mean that was the only thing they have in common.....just jutsu wise(besides gamabunta but that jutsu is complete)

minato summoning kyubbi.....na i think it was def madarra or some uchiha......unless minato had this all planned out for his son to inherit a massive power.....but then why sacrifice himself.....idk i doubt minato is evil or even mischevous for that matter.

[Back Off]

unless minato had this all planned out for his son to inherit a massive power

Yes... Yondaime is a hero to a village. But that reason - making Naruto strong to the extent of sealing a Bijuu in Naruto - is indeed too much. A Jinchuuriki is scorned. A father would never want his son to be perceived that way... okay, minus the crazed Yondaime Kazekage. OUR Yondaime is sane. He wouldn't summon Kyuubi.

Susanoo's self sacrifice reason is... well, I'm sure any father will sacrifice himself for the sake of his child.

Anyway, we're both agreeing on the same point *high five!* that Yondaime didn't summon Kyuubi. An Uchiha did (according to the Tengu theory).

[tsunade666]

I think its madara cause kyuubi said something about madara when
sasuke compress him inside naruto
I think no random uchiha will show up now and claiming he summon
kyuubi
and 4th is a good guy that will not put in danger the konoha
I think I have read it somewhere in the thread that minato seal
the yang inside naruto so no one can use it and madara try to summon it
to use it but 4th put a stop to his insanity by sealing away the yang
part so it can never be a whole kyuubi unless someone there
knows how to get it inside the stomach of the death god

[darkninja27]

In my opinion the 4th is dead. Cuz if he wasnt instead of making Tsunade the 5th hokage, Kishi should've gotten Naruto to implore on the death of the 4th and with Jiraiya's help figure out the secret of the DEATH GOD JUTSU. anyways thats seems to b the only logical thing i can think of.

[shinoX]

That is accurate enough. But don't facial features like their blue eyes and yellow spiky hair also count? Ok , but I think someone intentionally summoned the Kyuubi , it might have been Minato. Minato is plotting something here...but I get the feeling its very much connected to the entire series itself.

no i dont think so it isnt minato its actually madara uchiha who summoned the nine tails its say in the anime and the manga.

[Raijuu]

yeah, thats what jiraiya said. The only thing minato did was seal it.

and Im pretty sure madara summoned it intentionally, or maybe it was someone else, since by that time madara should have been dead, or maybe he can do the same as orochimaru or pain and change bodies... that would mean that tobi is really madara.

[shinoX]

i know i said somethink about tobi in his thread about it.

[tsunade666]

madara is supposed to be dead and now his name give shock to all
when tobi revealed it that he will show the power of madara
and in the few current manga revealed that someone actually summon
someone like kyuubi which is so powerful that makes it hard to believe
someone can actually summon a bijuu and 4th seal him died in the process
of sealing and seal the yang chakra into naruto
but I think its been discuss on other thread the reason
4th seal the yang part of kyuubi is for its to be incomplete
for akatsuki's use so maybe minato discover madara or
someone that plot the whole thing summoning the kyuubi
in the territory of konoha and that person is somewhat
related to uchiha and akatsuki

[Durrok]

Hmm I doubt he would have only sealed yang chakra to be incomplete because of an akatsuki plot because if that was the case he would have simply sealed the whole kyuubi into the death god to stop them getting it. It seems pretty obvious he left it for Naruto to use, but I do agree that he knew someone intentionally released the kyuubi (as jiraiya stated recently) but as far as akatsuki goes im pretty sure they wernt plotting to steal tailed beasts back then otherwise why wait so many years to do it , it would have been easier to steal the kyuubi back when Naruto was a baby. Anyway for all we know akatsuki probably didnt exist back then.

[Back Off]

Hmm I doubt he would have only sealed yang chakra to be incomplete because of an akatsuki plot because if that was the case he would have simply sealed the whole kyuubi into the death god to stop them getting it.

Sealing the whole of Kyuubi into the Death God will be like KILLING Kyuubi. It'll totally disrupt the balance of nature since Kyuubi and the other Bijuu are a part of nature. Yondaime would've weighed the consequences for killing Kyuubi. Then again, if Yondaime sealed Kyuubi in Naruto for Naruto's sake, it seems that Yondaime is merely taking advantage of that idiotic Uchiha (I like to see all Uchiha as a bunch of loonies) who summoned Kyuubi. And also, why condemn his own son to a solitary childhood? If it's for heroic deed (obviously it is), it is only natural for Yondaime to choose Naruto as the Jinchuuriki. How should I put this? Imagine you have to either sacrifice your child or another parent's child. The life of both children are in your hand. Which will you choose to sacrifice?

Yondaime chose his own.

[Taiin Malakin]

1. Minata is dead
2. He is Naruto's Farther

[tsunade666]

akatsuki probably doesn't really exist back then but by that time madara is already
existing based on what the tengu theory states but I don't believe all in that theory
specially summoning the demon lord is way exaggerating its spell DOOM if that happens

[Boreas]

In my opinion it Yondaime is dead because when orochimaru uses his Kinjutsu to bring back Shodai and Nidaime we see yondaime's coffin even though Sandaime stopped it. I don not think that the kinjutsu would have summoned yondaime's coffin if he were alive.

[ghassassin]

Yes surely Yondaime is DEAD. Coz of the reasons the guy above said and also that he summoned Death God. Like in other summonings, you use your blood or something to summon creatures, but as its known, you need to sacrifice your soul to the death god. So if he summoned Death god, he surely is gone.

[Boreas]

Yeah i also remeber Sandaime saying somthing about their souls staying in the Shinigami's belly rather then going to heaven or hell he even apologizes to Shodai and Nidaime for trapping their souls.

[shinoX]

In my opinion it Yondaime is dead because when orochimaru uses his Kinjutsu to bring back Shodai and Nidaime we see yondaime's coffin even though Sandaime stopped it. I don not think that the kinjutsu would have summoned yondaime's coffin if he were alive.

yes actually i totally agree with you there.

:ff:

[susanoo's summoning]

minato namikaze.........=...........harbor of wind and waves.........

maybe minato's affinities were wind and water........

siuton+fuuton= hurrican whirpool attack

[Kurpt]

interesting, but i think, he is dead lol. but

i think maybe, cause his soul is in the belly of the beast, maybe,(this is my wild/crazy idea which i been thinking about for ever) what if he sealed part of himself into naruto???

i am just saying, he is a smart *** dude, he should know that naruto will have to fight gret battles in the future and that he could use the help( nine-tails = super evil). maybe?
if he sealed himself into naruto, he could like "train" him, or protect naruto. i been thinkin of this for ever lol.
and since naruto, can use most of his killer techiqns what if it was not fate, naurto being taught by two people with relationship with the yondaime?! but like i a mjust sayin

[Raijuu]

thats actually a good theory... since the reaper of souls suppose to seal both the one that is going to be sealed and the one doing the sealing.

and the bijuus (in the legend) they were once peaople with powers and stuff that became monsters after they died (soul) or something. I dont know.

[Boreas]

Are you talking about the will of Fire Raijuu? If so then yes i would think Yondaime gave his will of fire to naruto, unless his soul being stuck inside the Shinigami prevented it.

[kyuubi666]

i was thinking maybe the reason that the 4th sealed only part of the fox in the death god was that the fox's chakra was soposed to be infinate so it could escape from the death gods stomach by its self

[Kurpt]

yes, but the 4th i think could/would have known that one day, someone/some people will want to take control of the 9 beasts.

another crazy idea of mine: i bet the 4th left a "hidden trail of clues" for naruto to master the greatest techiques and master both ying/yang chakra's. like, dont get me wrong here that it sounds crazy, but i read lots of manga, and most have the same idea, there was a master who teachs the students, but never teachs the final thing, and lets the student solve/master it by himelf/herself. think about it, naruto slowly mastered, the frog summon the resagg...... and is climbing the ladder of power fast, and in a short period of time he is getting smarter.

well its just an idea =P

[darkninja27]

The 4th definitely was smart and this new theory could have a lot of credibilty if we knew whether or not Jiraiya was present at the sealing. Cuz if Jiraiya was there during the Kyubi's attack then I think that opens up a lot of discussion.

[susanoo's summoning]

sarutobi shows us that in order to summon the death god the reaper must reach through the summoner's body and grab the desired souls the user wants to seal.....so then how could minato seal the yang kyubbi in naruto(since he was just a baby and not a clone).....

minato split the chakra of the kyubbi first(how?.. i dont know), he then sealed the yang into naruto and took the yin with him to the death god's stomache.....we must be missing something because this reaper seal does not have the same laws and reactions as the reaper seal we seen sarutobi use.......

maybe kushina performed the reaper seal as well and sealed the remaing yang chakra into her son (born/unborn? not sure which) this would be the only way it would make sense to me................there needs to be a second sealer...since once the death god appears he doesnt wait....

also remember there are 2 seals on naruto's stomache....1. 8 point reaper seal 2. 4 point seal which allows the 2 chakras to mix......who put the 2nd seal????....since minato would not have had time to do it......idk im so confused im getting dizzy.....one thing is for sure.....there is more to this scene than we know......http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/naruto_v01_ch001_005/

[Boreas]

No Jiraiya was not present at the sealing he said so himself

[Kurpt]

maybe,the sealin techique changes from user to user? maybe its different from person to person, cause something like, when you see the death dude, when the 3rd using it, the death god seems to have the body of someone in the middle, maybe that is like the key to connect it to the real world and the death world. and if that person is the 4th, that would make him semi-alive, but then oro tryed to bring back the 4th, so that cancels my case lol.

i think if we wait for the current volume to end, or even jst the battle between pein and pervy hermit, lots of questions will get answered, cause if pervy hermit starts to die, i am willin to bet everything that he is gonna send something to naruto. i must soud weird, but he said it himself he thinks of him as his grandson, and family most times gives something to family before they die( even itichi, gave sakakes a mad, confidense boost lol). well like i said before this is only an idea.

but i gonna keep my thoughts about the 4th sealin part of him in naruto, cause if he can sperate the ying&yang chakra, he could easily spilt his mind from his body.

[susanoo's summoning]

that shadowy figure shown crucified when the death god shows up is the summoner's soul which symbolicaly shows that the user is dead once he finishes the hand signs.....

idk bout the 4th sealing himself in naruto.....we have yet to see anyone being able to do this....but it is a possibility......who knows ....maybe minato lives in naruto's liver or his kidney.

lol

[Kurpt]

i am not saying that he is sealed in him, i am just saying i bet he sealed something that could help naruto take a gaint leap into the greater world of ninjas lol something, maybe the scoll naruto took at the very start of naruto, maybe he should cram some of that lol.

but, mind if i ask, other than the yellow hair and stuff why was he called the yellow flash?

[susanoo's summoning]

his flyin thunder god was just that.....a flash then your dead....

[Kurpt]

interesting, i wish they would have done a little bit more than the few chapters, with him like maybe a little more and like would have made the manga alot better. but that is just what i say

this Flying Thunder God, was it a techique that was around his hand, or in it ?

[susanoo's summoning]

around his hand or in it?????????????????

it was a jutsu only minato had and it worked with a special seal that once activated it would quickly transport him to where the seal was instantanously......

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/240/10/ i wonder why rin called it shunshin.......



ps that is prolly the sickest scene in the manga.....before the backpack drops minato is there........he is seriously bad ***.

[DaryL]

maybe he is naruto's father hehe

[Back Off]

maybe he is naruto's father hehe

I don't normally waste my post count but seriously... this is your first post and you're spoiling it with "Maybe Yondaime is Naruto's father"?

What do you think DaryL?

[shinoX]

lol thats so old "maybe he is narutos father hehe" come of coarse he is.

(not being rude)

what can i say....the mans a genius

[Remielle]

Hey, what if Yondaiime the only person who mastered that Flying God Tech?
Then, we can't see Naruto will use this tech, I mean.. who's gonna teach him? if we assume that Jiraiya is not that good with Taijutsu.

[Kurpt]

well, then naruto has to make his own, plus if the Flying God Tech, has hand seals, then naruto cant use it anyways lol

[tsunade666]

maybe he is naruto's father hehe
he is naruto's father for crying it out LOUD
its way old topic and its already been confirmed in the manga and
4ths wife is kushina
well, then naruto has to make his own, plus if the Flying God Tech, has hand seals, then naruto cant use it anyways lol
he use a dagger and in the dagger was a special paper that lets him know
if its been throw and it will make him teleport in it
I think I read it here but someone already clarify that jutsu's ability
Hey, what if Yondaiime the only person who mastered that Flying God Tech? he is the only one who can use it thats why he earned the
title konoha yellow flash killing enemies from behind in a flashy way
thats why enemy fear him and even initiate a alarm to stay away from him
*he is teleporting for god's sake how can you counter it*

[Back Off]

if its been throw and it will make him teleport in it

Umm. I agree with the seal paper part but not the kunai. That kunai is just a trigger to alert Yondaime that someone is hurling the weapon.

Proof: When Kakashi threw the kunai, Yondaime sensed it and came to Kakashi's rescue.

The kunai and charm paper are two things with two different purposes.

Or so I think. Lol I'm too lazy to go back to Kakashi Gaiden and search for that page... so sorry if I offend you Tsunade!

[tsunade666]

its okay but its more likely not a kunai because of its looks more like a special one

[Remielle]

I think that's a Kunai, but a modified one...
Is it Kunai with a spell paper wrapped on it?
Arrgghhh I must re-read the manga ...

[JioFreed]

Well, actually there is no confirmation if Minato is dead or alive. Kishi doesn't even gives the slightest hint that he is dead




Minato's son is Naruto






But Pein is not Naruto's brother

[Back Off]

Well, actually there is no confirmation if Minato is dead or alive. Kishi doesn't even gives the slightest hint that he is dead


Well... then what is this?

Death (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/naruto_v01_ch001_005/)

That is your second post? You're new... Welcome to One Manga Forum!

[tsunade666]

4th is dead thats way been proven
and also we are welcoming you and also read the rules too :D :D :D
the shiki fuujin that minato use to seal the kyuubi is a self sacrificing
summon.normal summon needs blood but death god needs souls.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Finally reached the requisite number of posts to close the first thread and begin the second.

Continue the conversation here (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=4204).