Full Metal Alchemist 3

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YAY! new capter came out!

Yes it's out and... NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOO !!! HOW COULD ARAKAWA END IT THERE ???????? The chapter's ONLY 34 pages long and... and... This is pure cruelty ! :eek:

34 pages is too short. That sucked. All they talked about was the chemistry of philosopher's stone for 5 pages. Making a lame plan to kill Kimbley for 15 pages. And finally when Kimbley pwned Ed in the end, things were getting interesting and then it suddenly ends. Waiting for another month for this is pure torture. :(

[Syolen]

Right. So now that I've calmed down (a little. If I see this last image of Ed I'll start freaking out again), I may be able to get my mind to actually start working.

In case you haven't read chapter 76 yet (what are you waiting for ???), I'll put this as a spoiler :

- Ed's the main character. He can't die just now. Plus, Father needs him alive. Kimbley wouldn't let him die, would he ? He could (assuming that he finds Ed) just make sure he doesn't die from blood loss, capture him and bring him back to the Homonculi.
- What happened to the brothers may show that Ed's theory's right : there's some kind of connection between their spirits. When one falls, so does the other.
- When Ed wakes up (when. Not if. He will get better ! He has to ! T.T), he'll probably start freaking out, saying he almost had the Philosopher's Stone and lost it because he couldn't kill Kimbley. Besides, major Miles and Kimbley have both been ranting about how Ed will have to kill someday if he wants to succeed. Should we expect a change in his personality ? He did stab that chimera after all... I think it's the first time we see him doing something like that (no, that rabbit he killed on Yock Island doesn't count :p).
- Could Ed and Al meet in front of the Gate ("Hey Brother, what are you doing here ?" "My body's bleeding to death. What are you doing here ?" "My body's pulling my soul." "How uncool".) ?
- Since there's nowhere else to go for them, Marcoh and co could try to go back in the tunnel to hide, and they could find Ed. Mei-chan may be able to save him. Or they could come across the Stone that Kimbley let fall... Or meet Kimbley and Scar would start fighting him again. Or... Or... I just don't know ! Ed's probably the only one who can help Al, so someone's got to save him first !! Sorry, I started freaking out again.

And... "I think I got squished even shorter" looool:D

[Pansori]

OK, I was kind of distracted because I was reading the new chp. and Avatar was playing on my tv, so I was having a hard time concentrating. I'll have to reread it tomorrow. But here's what I got. I'm assuming people have read the chapter:


WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!!! Ed collapsed from that wound, and then Al's spirit started to be pulled away. Was it coincidence that Al was pulled away as Ed collapsed, or was it something more? You're right Syolen, I think what happened has all but confirmed the connection between Ed and Al's soul. But how can Arakawa leave us like this?!! I'm going to die waiting for the next chp. http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/basic2/dead.gif
Kimbley's not dead. Whooh! Thank God. Sorry, but I have a weakness for sociopaths. I'm not ready for Kimbley to die, he's too interesting of a character! But once again... what happened?!! He blew up the building, and now he's disappeared. We just know he's not dead, but how far is he willing to go, and is he really a walking dead man? Those Briggs soldiers are gunning for him...
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!! I'm not sure if it was here, or on my other forum that we were discussing Hoho probably being the alchemist that taught the people of Xing alchemy. After hearing Mei Lin's story, it's pretty much confirmed.
Speaking of Mei Lin she's so freakin' adorable!!! I love her. http://i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons/emoticons/love/love3.gif

And was it just me, or was the artwork especially good in this chapter? That last picture of Ed is beyond description, it was so good.

I've got more thoughts, but I'll save it for another post. :p

[Winry Chan]

My two cents:

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...............

I also agree with the whole "soul connection" thing. When Ed falls, so does Al. But...but... ED!!!!!!!! NOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we have a whole nother month to wait for the next one. This is more painful than the last month....

Ed!! ED!!!

(And naturally, the EdxWinry shipper in me grinned enthusiastically when Winry yelled his name at the end.)

But....*sobs quietly in the corner until next month*

[ghassassin]

Gaaah...its obvious nothing will happen to Ed or Alphonoso. But waiting to see what happens and how does Ed counters Kimbley, for another month....is a pain in the ***. But still some positive things can be drawn out like Hohenheim telling Izumi, he is the philosopher's stone himself. That surely paves way for some new possibilities and maybe some good action from Izumi's side.

[Syolen]

Kimbley's not dead. Whooh! Thank God.

That's right. He can't have been killed by the explosion he himself caused !

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!! I'm not sure if it was here, or on my other forum that we were discussing Hoho probably being the alchemist that taught the people of Xing alchemy. After hearing Mei Lin's story, it's pretty much confirmed.

Yes, we did discuss that. So it would be Hohenheim. Or Father. But I can't see why he would have done that and he was unable to stop Xing's Rentanjutsu when he stopped Amestris' alchemy, so yeah... So it would have been Hoho.

Wait... if Father is Hoho' "son", that means he's... Ed and Al's brother ??? Jeez, these guys do have family issues... :D

And was it just me, or was the artwork especially good in this chapter? That last picture of Ed is beyond description, it was so good.

Totally agree with that !

[Zodiark]

.... Did midget and tin can die??...... Y_Y

[ghassassin]

.... Did midget and tin can die??...... Y_Y

Why cant they die? Ed is a human afterall and Al has his soul connected with him. Like it is shown in this chapter, if Ed dies then Al's soul will also be taken. Besides, Al also has that blood seal inside his armor. He can die if that is removed, if I am right.

[flame ninja]

yea but Ed and Al are the main characters THEY CANT DIE!!!!! am i right T_T aaaarrrrrrggggghhh i cant wait another month its pure evil and a pain in the ***!!!!

[Syolen]

Ed and Al probably won't die. The question is : how are they getting out of that one ?? :confused:

We should see Mustang and major Armstrong again next chapter (it's been a while), and maybe Izumi and Hohenheim, but we'll probably see what happens to at least one of the brothers (Ed ?) too.

But still... one month is way too long !! Arakawa loves torturing her readers, doesn't she ?

[flame ninja]

yea unfortunately she does and i hope your right but still its literally torture having 2 wait till netx month.....why cant it come out 2 times a month or something like that

[ghassassin]

^ That way , wouldnt it be better if it comes out twice a day?...It comes out in a month is a fact, no matter what we have to live with it. This chapter was short though and not much interesting except for the last part.
.....Btw, you posted twice ..^^

[flame ninja]

yea i guess.....the chapters should be longer but oh well it could be worse.....btw i know but thats what happens when you feel like taking a sledge hammer to your computer -_-'''''''''

[Pansori]

I wonder if it will get to the point (like in the anime) that Ed is forced to kill someone. Kimbley really pegged on his weakness, and he would have been defeated had Ed not hesitated. Anyway, that's a pretty nasty wound Ed's got now.
Yeah, I don't think Kimbley's dead, but his days may be numbered. It would seem appropriate that Kimbley is killed by an Ishbalan, like Scar or that Briggs soldier.
Next chapter, I bet we will be seeing Mustang and Hawkeye. Hopefully we'll also see what happened to the Bros., and maybe some follow up on Kimbley...

[Syolen]

I wonder if it will get to the point (like in the anime) that Ed is forced to kill someone. Kimbley really pegged on his weakness, and he would have been defeated had Ed not hesitated. Anyway, that's a pretty nasty wound Ed's got now.
Yeah, I don't think Kimbley's dead, but his days may be numbered. It would seem appropriate that Kimbley is killed by an Ishbalan, like Scar or that Briggs soldier.
Next chapter, I bet we will be seeing Mustang and Hawkeye. Hopefully we'll also see what happened to the Bros., and maybe some follow up on Kimbley...

I agree on everything. Arakawa wouldn't keep us waiting to see what happens to Ed and Al for another month, would she ?

[Sniper]

Anyway, that's a pretty nasty wound Ed's got now.

Yeah, that wound is very fatal. He's had his entire kidney and everything around it forcibly removed by a I-beam. He'll bleed to death in less than a minute. I wonder how they're going to save him. Maybe they'll use the philosopher's stone to bring him back from the gate, or maybe that Xingese girl will manage to heal him.

[Pansori]

Sniper, I didn't even think of that. It's near the spleen too, if it ruptured or damaged the spleen he's going to be shooting blood. Poor Ed!!! He'll die of blood loss within minutes.
But he's the main character, he can't die!

I don't think Mei would be able to get to him in time, and her concern is probably Al at the moment.

I hope Arakawa has a good explanation for this one.

[Syolen]

Si if Mei won't save Ed, that leaves Kimbley. Because even if major Miles or his men found him, the best they could do would be to take him back to the fortress, and Ed would never make it.

But Kimbley suddenly remembering that the Homonculi want Ed alive and saving him seems unlikely... Too easy, maybe ? He was looking for the footprints Scar and co left, and found them, so won't he go after them instead ?

Anyway, that's the good thing about being the main character : you can't die until the very end of the story. And with eveything that's going on, it's far from being over. So Ed will survive. He will. He has to.

If Arakawa wanted to drive her fans crazy, she did a very good job... I've checked a couple of other forums and everyone is freaking out.

[Winry Chan]

What if Ed really does die? He goes to the Gate, maybe sees Al (the spirit) and Al (the body), and is happy that here is most definitely a chance Al could be reunited with his body. But seeing this realizes that he himself is dead. Maybe he sacrifices something else to get out.

Question: could Ed sacrifice his automail as the Toll? Because if he gave his right arm again, he could just have Winry make another one for him (after she nearly kills him :P ) .. Although I doubt Arakawa would make it that easy...

[ghassassin]

What if Ed really does die? He goes to the Gate, maybe sees Al (the spirit) and Al (the body), and is happy that here is most definitely a chance Al could be reunited with his body. But seeing this realizes that he himself is dead. Maybe he sacrifices something else to get out.

Question: could Ed sacrifice his automail as the Toll? Because if he gave his right arm again, he could just have Winry make another one for him (after she nearly kills him :P ) .. Although I doubt Arakawa would make it that easy...

Thats what they showed in the anime. But I dont see Ed dying this early in the manga. Lot of things to be cleared and done yet. That would be a sudden ending, imo.
I dont think Ed can sacrifice his automail. Something of equal value needs to be traded. Its like taking your crockery to the gate and trading them with Al's soul. Automail is just a machine attached to his arm, it doesnt have any life.

[Syolen]

That's right, automail wouldn't be enough. There's a scene in one of the previous chapters (when Ed came back to Central from Xerxes) in which we see him looking at his left arm as if he were willing to sacrifice it to restore Al's body, but then the brothers promised they would get their bodies back together. I think that's a promise Ed doesn't want to break... So he wouldn't sacrifice anything else.

Besides, he already is bleeding to death... If he were to lose another limb now, he just wouldn't survive.

[Winry Chan]

Yeah, I was probably going out on a limb (haha! Limb!), but I'm in denial right now.

I just re-read the chapter. Something about that last scene struck me as odd. The first thing Ed said when he regained consciousness was "Where did Kimbley go...?", then, seeing the blood that came from his mouth, turned to see that beam sticking out of his back.

However, wouldn't he have felt the pain before anything? I mean, when something as large and dense as that impales you, it tends to hurt. Pain is a way to alert your brain to something that's gone wrong. So, uh, wouldn't his brain have been alerted to the fact that he'd been impaled before he saw the blood from his mouth?

Pardon my "wtf??" - like statements. :P

[flame ninja]

However, wouldn't he have felt the pain before anything? I mean, when something as large and dense as that impales you, it tends to hurt. Pain is a way to alert your brain to something that's gone wrong. So, uh, wouldn't his brain have been alerted to the fact that he'd been impaled before he saw the blood from his mouth?

yea but maybe what happened 2 havoc just happened 2 him....damn i hope not!!!!

[*Rika*]

i used to watch hospital dramas (i know....:o) but the patients that came in that were impaled one way or the other didnt feel as much pain when they wernt disturbing the impalement as to when they moved it. in eds case, he pushed his body up off from the ground and thats when he sarted coghing blood. before that he probs thought that it was something like what the slicer bro did and didnt think much of it

me just rambling again....

[Sniper]

(after she nearly kills him :P )

She'd probably re-insert the I-beam

Oh, and as for him not feeling pain, if you study wars or anything like that, you'll hear about shell-shock. That's when something really traumatic or violent happens near you (like an explosion from a grenade or artillery), it kinda overloads your brain. Your vision blurs, you can't hear anything, you can't thinks straight, you're dizzy. If anyone's watched Saving Private Ryan they'll know about this.

Now Ed just had an entire building collapse on him. Needless to say, he's a little disoriented. I'm sure he feels the pain, he's just so shook up that his brain doesn't register that as important.

EDIT: I just thought of this, what if they die and go to our world like in the movie? They could do an arc where the Homonculi and people like Mustang work to try and bring them back. That'd be an interesting direction.

[flame ninja]

EDIT: I just thought of this, what if they die and go to our world like in the movie? They could do an arc where the Homonculi and people like Mustang work to try and bring them back. That'd be an interesting direction.

yea as long as it dosent end like the movie now that would suck big time :mad:

[ghassassin]

In the anime too, I guess they showed Ed living in our world, when the series ended I mean. LOL, imagine Ed living in the world war era. But he was a normal person in the real world, right? I havent seen the end so I dont know exactly.

[bluerock]

waiting a month is far to long!

[Syolen]

I don't think Arakawa will do as in the anime... That would be like repeating the same story again, and, well, the manga's pretty different from the anime. And it would feel like she's chosen an easy way or something... So I hope she won't do that. Though I really don't know how Ed and Al are going to get out of that one !

[ghassassin]

Definitely thats not gonna happen. But like somebody said earlier, it will be great watching any of them to come in the real world, for some time atleast. And then someone opens the gate again to bring that person back, thereby something terrible or surprising things would happen.

[LA_Dodgers_55]

That'd suck if they really died and the series just ended; I just started reading it like last week....

And if the series does end soon, I'd get annoyed if it ended like the anime version...I didn't start reading something that was based in a different world to have it turn into a story about our world....

...But then again maybe that's just me... :(

[Nickmogo]

Sorry for this incoming wall of text but I just spend past 2 days reading chapters 1-76 so i'm all hyper on FMA =D

It's just not feasible at this point for the story to end if you think about it realistically. Look at all the new information thats been revealed in the past recent chapters.
Super Spoilers Alert if you aren't caught up!! ---Hoenheims beginnings---Hoenheim reveling to Izumi how he is a Philosopher's Stone---General Armstrong (the lady) being placed on the corrupt council---Hawkeye and Mustang discovering Selim Bradley is the "First Homunculus"--everyone learning of the plan Father has for Amestria

These developments are all essential beginnings of the core plotlines that lead into how the whole series will play out, to think that Arakawa would reveal all of this new suspenseful and shocking information, and then just abruptly cut off and end the series without fleshing any of it out is ridiculous. That's just not done, it'd be like writing a murder mystery novel, and then once the detectives have found some important clues, ending it.

At least thats how I see it =D

On a side note I have a question about Pride/Father.
So Pride was the entity in the flask, the first homunculus, and Pride used the souls of half the Xerxes people to give himself a body, which = Father.

So are Pride and Father a single entity? That seems how it would be, but then how can Pride be playing the role of Selim Bradley and at the same time be Father down in his secret lair.

The only thing I can think of is that the Shadowy Entity that was in the flask became Father, and then Father created his first Homunculus in his original likeness.

But its alll speculation of course =p
anyone else have any thoughts on it?

[ghassassin]

Isnt Pride the first Homunculi ? I remember him saying this to Hawkeye. Although I am not sure exactly.

[Winry Chan]

Isnt Pride the first Homunculi ? I remember him saying this to Hawkeye. Although I am not sure exactly.

Yes, Pride did say to Hawkeye he was the original homunculus.

We know that Father and Pride are separate entities, because (i forgot which chapter) Greed (as Lin) remarked seeing Pride and Father sleeping, ("two rare sights").

Although maybe Pride stating that he was the original homunculus means that he was the first one after Father? *shrug*

[ghassassin]

Father and Pride being the same person doesnt seem reasonable to me for some reason. How can a person live in two different bodies? Even if he is a homunculi or a philosopher's stone, that seems confusing to me, if such a thing exists.

[Sniper]

This is probably the fault of the translators. It's pretty obvious that Pride and Father are two different people. Pride was the first homunculus created by Fater, or homunculus since that's his true name. Maybe they don't consider Father to be a homunculus and instead consider him to be something above them, like a god.

[Nickmogo]

The only reason I was confused about it is because before Father was even created, there was "Homunculus" the being in the flask

and he is a shadowy mass with teeth and eyes----which is exactly what Pride looks like (in the tunnel at Brigges, surrounding Selim while he talks to haweye)

So I was just a little confused because they looked exactly the same, but the one in the flask became father. That's why i thought maybe father remade a homunculus to look like it.

[flame ninja]

this is just me thinking randomly but wouldnt father be a philosopher's stone also since he took some of the souls from the people of that one town (dont know how 2 spell it) for himself???

and i dunno which is worse the torture of waiting another month or the 2 many questions that NEED 2 be answered.....

[ghassassin]

Next chapter will obviously be about Edward, Alphonso and Kimbley. We have to wait for several months maybe to know what exactly happened earlier. Nothing has been properly revealed regarding father and the first homunculus he created.

[Nell]

Next chapter will obviously be about Edward, Alphonso and Kimbley. We have to wait for several months maybe to know what exactly happened earlier. Nothing has been properly revealed regarding father and the first homunculus he created.
I agree

Hell, if the next chapter doesn't have any Edward or Alphonse, I'm going to... die. Again.
I vote for Edward using Kimbley's Philosopher's Stone to patch up that kidney and stomach of his... Before he bleeds to death. D:

Oh, and... according to Ed's theory(ch 44&45), if Edward dies, doesn't Al die as well? Ohnoes.

[Nickmogo]

Yes according the Ed's theory he is essentially "carrying" A's life

Eating for his body, sleeping for his body etc. Although it seems he can only help it so much, since Al's body is still wasting away
And Al collapsing just went ed gets impaled supports that theory.

[Sniper]

Ed's not really in much shape to heal anything. Or move, for that matter.

I wonder how this is going to play out. So far, the manga has been way better than the anime.

[NamikazeMinato]

i havent read the manga for fma but does it go past the show and movie?

[Nickmogo]

Yes it goes waaay past the show and it's so much better, If you liked the anime definitely definitely read the manga

[ghassassin]

In the anime, I dont know what was that big of an emergency but they rushed through things and finished it. The anime was good but I feel the manga is way better and much more detailed.

[J.T.]

Yes according the Ed's theory he is essentially "carrying" A's life

Eating for his body, sleeping for his body etc. Although it seems he can only help it so much, since Al's body is still wasting away
And Al collapsing just went ed gets impaled supports that theory.

It's because Al's seal on the armor has been made in Ed's blood, so, naturally they're connected. From the fight between Al and that other armor guy we know that if you destroy the seal you can kill him... I guess the same works if the seal maker dies, since it is, kinda destroying it, taking away it's life-force.

[Syolen]

It's even more than that : Ed said that their spirits are connected. This is why he saw Al's body when he came out of Glutonny's stomach.

But still... now Ed's inconscious and bleeding to death, so he probably won't be waking anytime soon. Even if Kimbley's Stone was within reach, he couldn't use it. And we don't know where Kimbley is but... the chimeras fell down there too, didn't they ? Could they be the ones to find Ed and bring him to their boss ?

[Sniper]

They weren't exactly concious, and they don't seem that friendly towards Ed.

And NamikazeMinato, the manga is very different and a lot better. It starts to change around where Hughes dies and goes off in a completely separate direction. The story is much more in-depth and more interesting, so definitely check it out.

[Syolen]

Yes, but they could be following orders or something... It's so weird, Kimbley isn't supposed to kill Ed because the Homonculi want him alive, but he doesn't seem to give a damn about that. Heck, he did try to kill Ed. I can't imagine him actually believing that they would let him get away with it. He's a psycho, but he's not stupid. He doesn't stand a chance against Father and probably knows it. So what's he up to ?

[J.T.]

He's a psycho

Pretty much sums it up. He indeed isn't stupid, but intelligence has nothing to do with this. As for being able to stand against Father, he doesn't really care I guess... His needs come first, orders second...

[Nickmogo]

I'd like to think he doesn't care about Father's orders or the homunculous at all, so he is purposely going against their orders because he doesn't feel subservient to them, and using them to get out of jail and gain the power of the philosophers stone.

But he did say he was helping Father because he wants to see what the new world he makes will be like, so I think it's more likely he just gets lost in the chaos and blood lust when he is battling and transmuting, so he doesn't have any thoughts towards consequences or orders.

[ghassassin]

Kimbley isnt a homunculus in the first place, right? Then that makes no sense for him to obey Father's orders. All he is doing is, for his lust of power and all. Maybe the bad guys will kill him themselves for betraying or going against them. Obviously, killing Ed wont help the Homunculi's cause.

[J.T.]

Killing Ed *NOW* won't help, they are going to use him in transmutation circle... It could in fact be the end of manga now, since they wouldn't have sacrifices needed (just joking.... I hope....)

I think Kimbley would have agreed anything for two Philosophers stones, now that he has them, there isn't much point in keeping his end of a bargain...

[Nickmogo]

He needs to continue working with them if he wants the help of the military, it's the only reason he has so much authority and could even get into Briggs and such.

If Wrath cuts him off he'll be in some trouble with the military and the homonculous.

[Sniper]

I'm pretty sure Kimbley's intent was just to get away and not to kill Ed. He also probably just got caught up in the moment and didn't think much of the consequences.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah I don't think he was aiming to intentionally kill Ed either cause he could easily finish him off after the initial explosion, but instead he goes looking for the others.

[ghassassin]

Or maybe kimbley had some ego problem with Ed and the others planning against him. So he just wanted to show Ed the "philosopher stone's power" or something. Just a guess though, not any theory.

[*Rika*]

just been reading about the conversation about father and pride and this theory just came up.
i know its completely off topic but you know that father looks alot more aged than hoho and he shouldnt because he was originally homunculus, (even greed commented about it he was one of the earlier homunculus i think), then mabye everytime father creates a homunculus from himself he becomes more and more human because more of the philosophers stone is being taken out of him and he did make himself a human body and so more human componenets are left! *gasps for air* why hoho hasnt aged cos he hasnt used as much of his ph stone.

on topic now. kimbley right now probably wants to get his revenge on scar who looked down upon him (or something like that) so he'll heading towards winry and co adn if thay dont start moving they might get caught, but of course winry, might not want to leave als side even if the armour hasnt got his soul attached to it. for ed to survive he'll need either the ph stone or miles' team to get him out of there.
ed wont die cos he still needs to confess his love for winry! XD (edxwin fan)

note: ph stone is the philososphers stone

[Pansori]

I dunno, Rika, Kimbley doesn't strike me as the type to actually go out and seek revenge. More like, if it happens to be in his way he'll take the opportunity. But right now Kimbley's mission is to find Scar. Maybe he was trying to kill Ed so 1) he wouldn't have to deal with Ed or 2) was pissed off because he knew Ed was involved in the plot to kill him, or a combination of them both. Also, Kimbley was in that blast, too, so where the hell is he? How did he manage to escape, or did he even?
Oh, I like your theory, Rika! But would removing pieces of the Philosopher's Stone make him more human, or just make him weaker, reflecting it by showing him as aged?

[*Rika*]

thanks! your theory of showing he is weaker with his aged appearence is intresting. he does seem to rely on his homunculus buddies alot and so far he hasnt really shown the true extent of his powers. mabye all he can do is stop alchemy in ametris and do stuff without a transmutation circle. or mabye its just flab :P he might drink his homunculus ph stone in the end and become really powerful!
its a pretty logical manga so im not sure. guess we'll have to wait and see.

i think kimbley didnt mean to injure him THAT much. i think he just wanted ed to stop getting in the way of his objective and bug him anymore. if ed did die kimbley would probably get killed himself or something similar by the homunculus. he is a crazy guy who tends to anything to accomplish his objectives and mabye he knew the risks of killing ed but decide to do it anyway. about the balst thing, i think there was an sfx somewhere that translates into 'step, step, step'. that could be kimbley? yeah, i wanna know how he escaped too.

(sorry about the really messed up post. i wrote whatever popped in my head... :$)

[Nickmogo]

Yeah Kimbely escaped, there's no way he got caught in this own blast, he may be insane and cruel, but he's still a skilled alchemist that has used the philosophers stone's power before, so theres no way he'd mess up like that.

[flame ninja]

even so he's still a psycotic b****rd the way i see it buuuut thats just me (not a big kimbley fan) and im sorry if i offened any kimbley fans.....im kinda not in my right mind right now.....

[Polly]

i think kimbley didnt mean to injure him THAT much. i think he just wanted ed to stop getting in the way of his objective and bug him anymore.

I must agree with you, ed is surely not injuried to death ! In fact, that beam (huh ?! is it the right word for "poutre"?) impaled his left hip. wich mean no real important vital organs (I was thinking about his liver and his estomago). Only, maybe, the kidney wich is not vital. Anyway... since Fullmetal Alchemist is about Ed... he can not die at this time of the story, can he ?

By the way, my sister and I came up with a theory for the next chapters. Since two months ago we saw Armored Alphonse meet his body in the middle of nowhere, we thought that Alphonse might be able to recover his body. Well, if the theory that Edward is the one who maintains Alphonse's soul on earth (with the blood seal and erverything) then if Edward dies (or is badley injuried, with an iron beam stick in his body, for exemple:roll:) the seal will become instable and break and Al's soul will be free again (that's would be why he is black out but i'm pretty sure everyone comes up to that conclusion). And since the body is like wandering around and taking some fresh air(why not?), then the soul and the body will meet again. No ? (I'm more an Al fan than an Ed fan and I think it's time for Alphone to get is glory)

Kimbley IS a psychotic b****** but, geesh ! I like him that way, don't you ?

[Nickmogo]

haha why would that offend Kimbley fans, they know he's psychotic and thats why they love him!

[Sniper]

I must agree with you, ed is surely not injuried to death ! In fact, that beam (huh ?! is it the right word for "poutre"?) impaled his left hip. wich mean no real important vital organs (I was thinking about his liver and his estomago). Only, maybe, the kidney wich is not vital.

First off, Which has another "h." Try to remember that.

Now, THE KIDNEY ISN'T VITAL?! Obviously you're not a surgeon:D. If you get stabbed in the kidney, you bleed more than any other part of the body, except maybe the heart or neck. This is because the kidney filters all of the blood in your body for poison. If you get stabbed in the kidney you'll be dead within minutes. And he wasn't just stabbed, he had his entire kidney (and most of what surrounds it) removed with a metal rod. If that happened to any organ at all, he'd die. Trust me, he's very, very dead. Which is why it'll be so interesting to see how this plays out. It's pretty rare (i.e. never happens) for the main character to be eliminated in the middle of the story.

[manga247]

but in almost every other manga, no one fainted when they got stomach slashed open (Bleach for example)

wait, sniper, you're a surgeon? whatcha doing here on the forum? (jk :D)

[Nickmogo]

but in almost every other manga, no one fainted when they got stomach slashed open (Bleach for example)


Haha well, thats a little different story with Shinigama stuff and spiritual power =p characters are only human in FMA


But the human body is pretty amazing though, you never know, the kidney is partially protected by a couple kidneys they could have held up enough to deflect the beam just enough so it didn't hit any organs, something like that is possible, I mean hell, you hear stories in real life about people getting poles and chair legs through their skull/neck etc and surviving.

So theres a chance he isn't in IMMEDIATE danger of dying, I mean of course he still has to worry about bleeding with such a massive wound, but yeah you never know about the organs.

[manga247]

yeah, who knows what they might do to you? one second you're fine the next second you're on the floor dying

[Syolen]

I've re-read the chapter again (for the fifth time (yeah... I know...)) and... there's a hope that Ed's kidney wasn't injured. I mean, that wound is pretty much to the side. The beam did go through his stomach though, since he coughed blood. Either way he's going to bleed to death if no one helps him, and fast !

Oh, Rika, I like your theory too ! But it made me wonder... why did Father create the Homonculi in the first place ? To do the dirty job and start wars so he could gather enough souls to transmute the Philosopher's Stone ?

[ghassassin]

Obviously father created Homunculus because they are powerful and will help to his cause. I dont know exactly what is he planning but maybe something to do with world domination (unlikely) or immortality (more likely).

[Sniper]

I mean of course he still has to worry about bleeding with such a massive wound, but yeah you never know about the organs.

Yes, the human body is amazing, but with the kidney, the bleeding is the problem. If you get your kidney damaged and don't receive immediate attention, you'll bleed to death very quickly. If he was stabbed in a hospital, he might survive. but he's at the bottom of a collapsed rubble heap. It doesn't look like anyone's coming. He's already passed out.

And as for Father, that is a very interesting theory. He did drink Greed, if you remember, so maybe there is a little bit of him in all the Homunculi.

[Winry Chan]

Random question: how much time passed between Kimbley's explosion and Ed waking up?

The whole pain thing: if you were conscious, wouldn't you feel something impale you? So, maybe Ed was momentarily unconscious...meaning Kimbley must be a long ways away... and he's still alive after (maybe) having his kidney forcibly removed?

[Pansori]

The whole pain thing: if you were conscious, wouldn't you feel something impale you?

Not necessarily. In life there are several stories of people being impaled, and not realizing it. I remember watching a 20/20 on a man who was impaled after a car accident. He was dazed and in shock, but other than that felt fine. It wasn't until his coworkers came up, and told him what was going on did he realize what had happened.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah when your body receives such a huge shock (such as getting impaled) something like that can mess up your nervous system and the brain just doesn't register it, sort of like your nervous system's capability to relay pain to the brain gets overloaded, so it just doesn't register it.

And yeah Sniper I agree if his kidney got hit then he's dead, I was just saying that the beam may have missed the kidney since it has some ribs protecting it or something else like that

[Nell]

Soo.. Ed's asleep. On the floor. Impaled. Bleeding to death. Under what conditions do you think he's going to wake up?
Do you think it'll be from an outside source? Or an inside one?

....I think Ed may take another trip to the gate for some reason next chapter. Whether it's because of Al's.. uh, soul, or his death, or something else, I have a feeling something's going to happen. ...It may not, though.

[Syolen]

Under what conditions do you think he's going to wake up? Do you think it'll be from an outside source? Or an inside one?

An inside one ? What do you mean ? He got impaled, he can hardly wake up thanks to will power or anything like that...

....I think Ed may take another trip to the gate for some reason next chapter.

That's would make sense. Both brothers could meet in front of the Gate. But then... How would they come back to the real, waking world ? Al needs Ed, and Ed needs help. Fast.

Jeez, can't believe it's only been a week since the chapter was realeased ! :eek: That means we still have to wait for another 3 or 4 to know what happens next !

[Nickmogo]

4 weeks
don't remind me =(

[flame ninja]

think about it this way it COULD be worse it could be out every 2 months....just try not to think about it and the month might go by faster........

[Nickmogo]

haha I have to think about it since I come here and discuss it everyday =p

[Lainemaa]

Or you could be waiting months if this was only released in book form, not in a magazine...

The suspense is making me nuts.

Option 1) Al bites the dust. Couldn't really happen, could it? But then again I wouldn't have beleived Hughes' death either. Or the fact that Havoc didn't recover. Or that Lin really is Greed now...

Option 2) Both brothers end up at the gates again. Al gets his body back but Ed ends up worse. Worse how? There's nobody close to bind his body into anything. Can't make him lose any more limbs can we?

Option 3) Next chapter we'll have Ed waking up in a hospital bed somewhere with no idea what happened to Al and co. And we're left wondering about Al for another month. NOOOOO!!!!

/bites nails in frustration

[Syolen]

It was written on the last page of chap 76 : next chapter will be out on November 12th (if I remember well). So... yeah... DAMN CLIFFHANGER OF DOOM !!!!

Oh, by the way... Winry was there when Ed and Al discussed the link between their spirits. Wouldn't she realise that, since Al has fallen, Ed musn't be in top shape either ? I know she's already freaking out and everything but... Oh well. Just a random thought (told you, I have LOTS of those :D).

[Nickmogo]

I think she might suspect that Ed is in trouble too, her "ED!!!!" on the last page I don't think is just cause she doesn't know what to do about about Al and is calling out cause she needs him there, but cause she's also worried that Ed being injured is what caused Al to collapse.

[Sniper]

Option 1) Al bites the dust. Couldn't really happen, could it? But then again I wouldn't have beleived Hughes' death either. Or the fact that Havoc didn't recover. Or that Lin really is Greed now...

The difference is none of those people were main characters. If they kill off the Full Metal Alchemist in "Full Metal Alchemist," I can't see how they could continue the series. So it's pretty likely that he'll survive in some way, shape, or form. I mean, you can't kill Inuyasha in "Inuyasha," or Naruto in "Naruto" can you? You're never allowed to kill the main character before the end of the series, and this clearly isn't the end of the series.

[Syolen]

You're never allowed to kill the main character before the end of the series.

That's the good thing about being the main character ! :D

But it's true, Ed and Al will survive this. The question is... How ??

[Lainemaa]

I agree, Ed will survive. Al might not.

Here's another theory: Al finds himself at the gate, somehow gets his body back. Maybe Ed is there too. Anyways, Al materializes at Ed's side and manages to stop him from bleeding to death. Winry et al are left with an empty armour.

Don't mind me, I just haven't found anything else to obsess over recently...

[Nickmogo]

I don't see how Al would be able to save Ed.
If he got his body back it would be very weak and malnourished I doubt he'd be able to survive in the cold himself much less save Ed.

[Nell]

I don't see how Al would be able to save Ed.
If he got his body back it would be very weak and malnourished I doubt he'd be able to survive in the cold himself much less save Ed.
Agreed :)

I agree, Ed will survive. Al might not.

Here's another theory: Al finds himself at the gate, somehow gets his body back. Maybe Ed is there too. Anyways, Al materializes at Ed's side and manages to stop him from bleeding to death. Winry et al are left with an empty armour.

Don't mind me, I just haven't found anything else to obsess over recently...
Crap... If Al died, I would be depressed for months. D:
It's an interesting theory though. If anything, I'd say Al would materialize inside his armor.... Yet, coming back next to Ed does have its logic... Considering Ed is what's keeping Al alive, with the whole spiritual connection thing.

I think it would be a bit more.. intense, I guess, if Ed and Al were separated(as they are now) when Al got his body back, and then Ed ended up being one of the last ones to find out.

[Syolen]

Ed will survive. Al might not.

I think Al will survive too. The whole point of the story is for the brothers to get their bodies back. If Al died, it would all have been for nothing. I don't see that happening. Arakawa is playing with our nerves, is all (and she's just too good at that).

Here's another theory: Al finds himself at the gate, somehow gets his body back. Maybe Ed is there too. Anyways, Al materializes at Ed's side and manages to stop him from bleeding to death. Winry et al are left with an empty armour.

That has its logic. But how would Al come back to the "real" world ? His body and soul would be in front of /inside the Gate, and I don't know if the connection he has with Ed would be enough to pull him back, especially with Ed wounded and inconscious.

Don't mind me, I just haven't found anything else to obsess over recently...

There's nothing wrong with that ! FMA is a good thing to obsess over :D

[Pansori]

You're never allowed to kill the main character before the end of the series...

Well, I would have said the same thing until that mangaka for Gantz killed off his main protagonist. And even though we know that sooner or later the character will come back to life, it's been several months and he's still dead! :(

[Rissa-Chan]

I love FullMetal Alchemist! I'm a total Ed fangirl! I shall honor him by cosplaying him!

[Nell]

Yup, Ed owns the world! <3
Make sure to show us pictures! ^-^

[Rissa-Chan]

I will! ^_^

[Nickmogo]

are you short enough for it? =p

[Nell]

lol, 4' 11" is pretty difficult to master. ;P

[Nickmogo]

haha yeah I don't know if she can pull it off
id be impressed if she can though =p

[Nell]

Indeed... Good luck Rissa-chan! :3

[Lainemaa]

I am 4'11

Lucky I don't do cosplay, eh?

[Nell]

Woah, I was just re-reading some of the earlier chapters of Fullmetal, and I found this(chapter 14); http://www.onemanga.com/Full_Metal_Alchemist/14/02/
If you look in the bottom right corner of the page, you'll see Izumi-sensei.. and her husband :O ..Who aren't introduced to the manga until until about chapter 20. :lol:

..Just an observation I thought I'd share ^-^

[gr1mmy]

Haha, very interesting.

A cameo appearance.

[ghassassin]

Never noticed it....lol. Maybe coz we never knew who they were, so they were just useless back then.

[Nickmogo]

ha ha nice find
good eye!

[Syolen]

That's right. And then, when the brothers go to Dublith, Izumi says that she met their father in Central. Which could definately have happened since we're shown that she and her husband indeed were in Central.
Does Arakawa do anything for free in this manga ? Every little detail seems to have its reason to be there...

[Nell]

Oh, yeah! I just read that part, too! ;D Hehe, that's interesting!

[ghassassin]

Why did they show us something, that was so difficult to notice? I mean , not everyone can notice such trivial imagery. Dunno what was the significance of showing that as such.

[Nickmogo]

Well you don't really need to notice it, you don't miss out on any story or plot or anything if you don't see it.

I'd say it more like an easter egg, something extra for those that do find it, but not essential.

[Pansori]

Pretty keen eye, Nell! :D I remember that happening in the anime, but I never noticed it in the manga. Arakawa is a sneaky thing. -_-

[Sniper]

Maybe she was looking through old chapters and decided that those people looked cool and decided to use them. Nah...:lol:

[Syolen]

Yeah, she's probably had the whole story planned since the beginning.

Oh and in chapter seventy-something, we saw that lizzard-like chimera follow the soldiers that were looking for Izumi in Dublith (he hid under their car). Any idea about what he's up to ?

[Nickmogo]

Yeah, she's probably had the whole story planned since the beginning.

"...once the conclusion has been decided, I can plan for whatever is necessary for whatever is needed to achieve that conclusion later. This portion is still progressing as the serialized work continues. The [manga] episodes from now till the final conclusion are being prepared. As usual, the story progresses as the protagonists grow. Therefore, with each coming [manga] episode, how their reactions will be, even I will still not know."
---Quote from Interview with Arakawa in 2004

I guess she doesn't have it all planned out =p
at least she didn't in 2004


Oh and in chapter seventy-something, we saw that lizzard-like chimera follow the soldiers that were looking for Izumi in Dublith (he hid under their car). Any idea about what he's up to ?

Where exactly? I'd like to take a look but don't have time to scroll through them all internet is going super slow =/

[supremecommander]

Yeah, she's probably had the whole story planned since the beginning.

Oh and in chapter seventy-something, we saw that lizzard-like chimera follow the soldiers that were looking for Izumi in Dublith (he hid under their car). Any idea about what he's up to ?

Scouring for the enemy for sure. That's the first time I've noticed that. Thanks for the heads up.

[Syolen]

Where exactly? I'd like to take a look but don't have time to scroll through them all internet is going super slow =/

Chapter 74. We first see the chimera on page 23. And thanks for the quote from the interview :)

[Nickmogo]

Ohhhh that lizard guy, I don't know, I think he's just trying to find out what happened to Greed. Him and all the other chimera people seemed pretty loyal to him, and he doesn't know that Ling is the new greed yet.

So just trying to find his boss I guess

[ghassassin]

Ling is having either some kind of dual personality or is hiding the fact that he is playing with the homunculis. I mean he acts quite much sympathetic towards his comrade (what was her name? ) and I doubt that he is thus sticking with the Homunculis for some reason as he already has the philosopher's stone with him. Or maybe, greed hasnt taken over him fully and Ling still has some of his older self left in him.

[Nickmogo]

Greed said it himself in chapter 56

"He's vigilantly waiting for an opportunity to take me over." (greed talking about Ling)

[ghassassin]

That means Ling is resisting himself to completely turn into greed. The transformation isnt complete yet and I hope Ling will play an active part against the Homunculus.
Thanks, thats what I was confused about, earlier.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah Greed is in control as of now, but Ling is fighting to take his body back and waiting for his opportunity, he knew what he was doing when he openly accepted Greed, he'll be back! and he'll have the ultimate shield powers!

[xellentxecution]

yeah...thats true

[Sniper]

It would be cool if it became a kind of (for you Metal Gear Solid fans) Ocelot-Liquid situation where one would randomly pop out and take over in a duel personality kind of way.

[xellentxecution]

yeah..that would be awesome!..but which character?

i think maybe..that ling guy?...since that ho~~something~culas seems like hes not
'in' control

[Sniper]

Uh, yeah, that's who I was referring to. We were on the subject of him.

Ling with ultimate shield powers would kick ***.

[Nickmogo]

I think when Ling takes back over, the first thing Ling/Greed will do is Kill Wrath, since they both hate him >: )

[Syolen]

Yup, Ling should definately be back. With the powers of a Homonculus. I agree, that would rock !
We haven't seen him in a while... maybe next chapter ?

[Nell]

Hmm, I believe the focus will be on Ed and Al next chaper.
...Ling will probably come up in 78 or 79. I'm actually pretty curious as to how his part in the story will end, after he(if he) hijacks greed. :P

[Syolen]

Hmm, I believe the focus will be on Ed and Al next chaper.

On second thought... I HOPE next chapter focuses on the brothers (Arakawa has left us with a nasty cliffhanger) **tries to ignore hysterical inner fangirl**.

...Ling will probably come up in 78 or 79. I'm actually pretty curious as to how his part in the story will end, after he(if he) hijacks greed. :P

Me too. And I hope we'll get to see Ran Fan too.

[Nickmogo]

I think we will get to see about Ling and Ran Fan for sure, they're story has been developed too much already to not keep going with it.

[*Rika*]

the next chapter will probably be a mix of the elric brothers situation and the stuff with izumi and hoho. still hoping the chapter will be a bit longer than the last one but she has been busy with jushin enbu tho. And yeah, it would be great if we get to see something about ling/greed and ranfan, fu. but for some reason i dont think ling would have gotten control of his body back from greed yet. hope he does because he would be pretty cool with homunculus powers!
oh, and i like youre new avatar syolen!

also, you can again see izumi and sig in the distance in chapter 8, page 2. if you look at the window that eds squished against, you can see them. at least i think its them...

as for the homunculus thing, way back in a distant post, the homunculus' where probably created to get thing done quiker and efficiently. with their different abilities, it probably made it easier to maniplulate people of the military etc.

[Nickmogo]

also, you can again see izumi and sig in the distance in chapter 8, page 2. if you look at the window that eds squished against, you can see them. at least i think its them...


Haha wow you guys have such good eyes, they're so tiny and out of focus, but it's definitely them!


And I think we still have a bit to go before Ling takes back over, I think we'll either see a Ed vs. Ling/Greed or a Ran Fan vs. Greed/Ling fight before he turns back, which of course they would both have to hold back so as not to hurt Ling (also fight with Ran Fan could possibly work as a trigger for Ling to come back?)

[Nell]

the next chapter will probably be a mix of the elric brothers situation and the stuff with izumi and hoho. still hoping the chapter will be a bit longer than the last one but she has been busy with jushin enbu tho. ...
...
... also, you can again see izumi and sig in the distance in chapter 8, page 2. if you look at the window that eds squished against, you can see them. at least i think its them...
I was thinking that same thing ;P
Woah, nice catch! @_@ That's definately Izumi-sensei! :lol:

[Syolen]

Thanks Rika^^ I didn't make it tough.

Oh, and Nickmogo, I like your idea of a fight between Ed and Greed or Ran Fan and Greed. Ling wouldn't want to hurt Ran Fan (there's little chance that he'd get hurt, because he'd have the ultimate shield) and could try to stop Greed from doing just that.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah I think that could be something that might be sort of like a catalyst for Ling, when he sees that Greed is going to hurt Ran Fan, he'll have no choice but to make his move and try to take over.

[Nell]

Hmm... that would make sense. It would be an intense scene to have Greed about to slash at Ran Fan, and then stop dead in his tracks to be overcome by Ling. Boy, how confused Ran Fan would be. @_o

[Pansori]

You guys are brilliant! Greed running at Ran Fan in an attempt to hurt her, Ran Fan with a look of terror in her eyes then STOP! And then hopefully Ling will take over, fall into a mad, passionate kiss with Ran Fan and go off to rule his kingdom, while the chibi princess is away, muwahahahaha.
But I pretty much agree with everything everyone just said. After reading the chapter I just assumed Arakawa will be showing us Ed and Al, as well as the Gate.
Wouldn't it suck if she focused on Mustang and Hawkeye in the next chp? Don't get me wrong, I love those two (never can get enough of them) but now is not the time!

[Nickmogo]

She couldn't do that to us, that just mean we'd have to wait for ANOTHER month to see what happens to ED, and THEN we'd get another cliffhanger for whoever else the chapter is about.

that would be awful =(

[Sniper]

You guys are brilliant! Greed running at Ran Fan in an attempt to hurt her, Ran Fan with a look of terror in her eyes then STOP! And then hopefully Ling will take over, fall into a mad, passionate kiss with Ran Fan and go off to rule his kingdom, while the chibi princess is away, muwahahahaha.

Do I detect a hint of fangirl?:p

That's probably how it will turn out. Unless they do another "Hughes" situation.

[Syolen]

You guys are brilliant! Greed running at Ran Fan in an attempt to hurt her, Ran Fan with a look of terror in her eyes then STOP! And then hopefully Ling will take over, fall into a mad, passionate kiss with Ran Fan and go off to rule his kingdom, while the chibi princess is away, muwahahahaha.

LOL maybe this could happen during the final confrontation with Father and the Homonculi (Has anyone seen "Pirates of the Caribbean 3" ? When Elizabeth and Will kiss during the final battle ? Something like that.) ? I can just imagine Ed seeing them kissing and yelling at them they could have chosen a better time (and probably blushing like mad too). :lol:

Wouldn't it suck if she focused on Mustang and Hawkeye in the next chp? Don't get me wrong, I love those two (never can get enough of them) but now is not the time!

It would suck ! I don't want to wait another month to know what happens to Ed and Al... :(

[Riffz]

i saw da anime. its already finished (a real crapy tragedy). bt is da manga still ongoing?

[Syolen]

Yes it is. We're waiting for chapter 77 now. It's pretty much the same story until Hughes' death, but then they take two different directions. The manga's really good, you should (I dare not say "must" ^^) read it !

[Riffz]

is da end of manga same as anime? or its taking a different way? i mean i dnt like tragedy ending. so if there is any chance dat da ending will b different then i'll read.

[Pansori]

We don't know, as the manga is still a work in progress. I think it's safe to say that the manga will probably be different than the anime.

[Sniper]

Ow, you just caused my eyes to burn. Seriously, does it take that much more effort to sound semi-intelligent? One extra keystroke isn't that high of a cost to make your posts ledgible.

Also, you should probably read the manga before posting here. We don't want spoilers, now do we?

[Riffz]

i just hope they dnt end up in da way they did in anime. its really painful 2 see them like that.

[Nickmogo]

I just hope they don't end up the same way they did in the anime. It's really painful to see them like that.

I fixed your post for you so that I could quote it =D


And I really doubt the manga will end the same way as the anime, I don't think you have to worry about that happening.

[Nell]

Ow, you just caused my eyes to burn. Seriously, does it take that much more effort to sound semi-intelligent? One extra keystroke isn't that high of a cost to make your posts ledgible.

Also, you should probably read the manga before posting here. We don't want spoilers, now do we?
^ What Sniper said

And... you posted three times, but you said the same exact thing in each. >_<

The manga is -completely- different from the anime(in my opinion) ..and it's a -lot- better. As Syolen said, after Hughes's death, the manga and anime literally split to follow two different directions... So it's pretty safe to say that the manga will end differently.

[Sniper]

The manga is -completely- different from the anime(in my opinion)

The problem with your statement I bolded, underlined, increased in size, and made red. (Sorry, I got a little carried away.:D)

It's not just in your opinion, it is completely different. Just look at Armstrong's sisther in the "Warehouse 13" episode in the anime and here in the manga. She went from a reserved, if freakish, young girl to a kick-*** military general. Very, very different from about Hughes' death on.

I also like it a lot better. It's less confusing (i.e. it actually makes sense) and more interesting.

[Lainemaa]

I seem to remember an extra bonus story in the manga with the same sister that was in the anime. The sweet shy one. Might have been the bonus chapter in volume 8. I don't own the actual books (yet!) so I can't check. I don't think I've seen that story in any scanlations though.

So in the manga Armstrong has two sisters.

Despite that I'd also agree that the manga is completely diffirent from the anime. Just compare the homunculu. I liked the anime, except the ending. I love, adore and obsess over the manga.

[Nickmogo]

Anime is never the same as manga, the manga is always much deeper and much more worthwhile, anime is just the lazy version =p

[Sniper]

Not necessarily. Cowboy Bebop is much better as an anime, to name one. There are plenty that are equal too. Naruto (minus fillers) is pretty much the same in both.

[Syolen]

Escaflowne is much better as an anime too. But the FMA manga is just awesome. More depth, more character developpement, more plot, more everything ! The only things I miss are Ed's voice and the music.

Chapter 77 : D-20. Hold on !

[Hito]

wonder how the new gluttony will look (if father keeps his promise) wouldnt it be funny if he wasnt fat at all and good looking heh just a random thought

[Lainemaa]

Ouran was at least as good in the anime as in the manga, occasionally better, occasionally worse. But the ending sucked in that one too.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah I generalized a little bit too much!

[Syolen]

Just another random thought...

In chapter 74, soldiers from Central come to talk to Izumi. Could they have been ordered to "escort" her to Central by Bradley/Wrath ?
He then would take her to Father who'd be able to keep an eye on one of his sacrifices. If he wants to do that sacrifice, he needs them all (by the way, who's the fifth one ?) at the same place, right ? Izumi could have been the first one...

[ghassassin]

I think I remember Wrath saying this , that they should include Izumi as well, she is a renowned alchemist and recruiting her as a State Alchemist would help their Transformation Circle plan.

[Nickmogo]

Yeah I don't remember where but Izumi mentioned that she'd been asked to become a State Alchemist even before all of the current story took place....thats if I remember right...

[kusiobache]

is this the same story as the manga?im prettysure it is i just dont wanna go back and check

[Nickmogo]

is this the same story as the manga?im prettysure it is i just dont wanna go back and check


We're talking about the manga!

[*Rika*]

*tries to decipher kusio's post*
yeah we're talking about the story in the manga. which chapter you on?
it was just before the battle between greed and ed that izumi was asked to become a state alchemist wasnt it? the furher followed ed and asked izumi himself but failed

[Syolen]

it was just before the battle between greed and ed that izumi was asked to become a state alchemist wasnt it? the furher followed ed and asked izumi himself but failed

Yes, but then some soldiers came back wanting to talk to her, and Meisson sent them away saying that she was on a trip with her husband.

[Winry Chan]

I'm back!

I also think asking Izumi to become a State Alchemist is a front for keeping tabs on her, but does n't the "human sacrifice" thing have to do with the ability to travel to and come back from the Gate (aka human transmutation)?

[ghassassin]

Yes it does. Asking Izumi to join is only and only related to opening the Gate. Since she has opened it before, not sure though that the bad guys know about it, Izumi will work for them and they can use her when time comes. Thats why they want Ed's services and not Alphonso, coz he has seen the gate. Same is the case with using Izumi for transmutation or opening the gate.

[Syolen]

Yes, but Mustang has never seen the Gate, and they still want him to be one of their sacrifices. And in chapter fifty-something, Gluttony agreed to take Al to Father because Al told him he had seen the Gate too. And how would the bad guys know Izumi hs opened the Gate ?

[Nickmogo]

Yes, but Mustang has never seen the Gate, and they still want him to be one of their sacrifices. And in chapter fifty-something, Gluttony agreed to take Al to Father because Al told him he had seen the Gate too. And how would the bad guys know Izumi hs opened the Gate ?

I'm sure father has some kind of connection to the gate or something or other that let's him know who has seen it, or something like that, I'm sure Father knows a lot of things about a lot of things.

[Syolen]

I'm sure Father knows a lot of things about a lot of things.

That would explain a lot of things ! :p

No, seriously, I think you're right. Father can neutralize alchemy after all.

[AshleyElric]

I didn't finish reading through the whole topic so I don't know if someone already mentioned this.

We all know that Hoho is the Philosopher's stone. So wouldn't that make Ed and Al half Philosopher's stones. I mean that could explain alot of stuff. Take the chapter after the slicer bros for example. Ed received some nasty wounds from that fight, however, he was able to check out of the hospital a day later. Then, 1 or 2 chapters after that, in Rush Valley, when they striped Ed of his clothes, there's not scratch on him; and I know Arakawa is good with detail like that so I took this whole theory into consideration. I mean it explains why Ed heals so quickly with everything, he's probably regenerating but he doesn't know it. So I personally think Ed is going to wake up with the wound completely healed and there will be a whole bunch of WTF moments. If my theory is right, maybe he will discover his powers that the philosopher's stone gives him.

[flame ninja]

most or all hell would break loose then if thats true but ur right about a lot of things.....man u just gotta hate hugh cliffhangers

[Syolen]

If Ed has the powers of the Philosopher's Stone, the first thing he'll do will be to make himself taller...
Being the Stone's son must mean something but...would the brothers have lost their bodies in the first place if they were half-Stone (Jeez, they do have family issues...) ? I mean, sure you can't bring back the dead, so their transmutation wouldn't have worked anyway, but would Al have lost his whole body ?
You have a point though. Ed does heal very fast, and it would explain why he was always so good at alchemy.

[AshleyElric]

well, since its fairly obvious the Hoho brought Alchemy to Xing, maybe his power are more retanjusu-y... like remember mai said that if u loose limbs, u cant grow them back.. maybe its more to that extent... or maybe back then they were too young to get the stones power or something GAH! THIS IS MAKING MY BRAIN HURT!

[Nickmogo]

It's a nice theory! Ed and Al could have at least some of what hoho is in them. But if they do it'd doesn't necessarily mean it would have to be half.

If we think in terms of this theory being true, I think it would be most likely that Ed and Al have only residual effects of their father's philosopher stoniness. i.e fast healing, and natural skill in alchemy.....I don't think they would have any powers on par with Hoho

In other words even if it is true I don't think Ed would be able to instanly heal himself of a mortal wound

[*Rika*]

i remember i one of the chapters, (i really cant remember which one...) ed said that hughes visited him everyday, indicating ed had stayed at the hospital for more than one day. so he did have a few days to heal up i guess. Arakawa probably wanted to skip the unessesary stuff that wasnt important to the plot. you wouldnt want to read 2 or so chapters just to find out what he did in the hospital. (well i wouldnt anyway)

but it is a possibilty the elric bros have a share of philosophers stone. mabye eds got more of it than al? he is the eldest and he only lost his right arm and left leg unlike al who lost his whole body. ed could could get a whole different persona if the philoso stone get activated or something like that. So many possibilities.... :$

[AshleyElric]

hmmm.. now that i think about it, that theory is going to collide with the 'ed and al meeting eachother at the gate' theory. Jeez.. like u said, Rika, so many posiblities

[Akeyami]

Wow, that last chapter left me hanging....Stupid agonizing cliffhanger!! I really wanna know what happens next!

But yeah, I think the events at the end support the theory Ed has...that he and Al are connected by spirit. -is trying not to give away to many chapter spoilers-

[Nickmogo]

I wouldn't worry about spoiling too much, I think everyone that's still discussing here is all caught up!

[Akeyami]

Oh good, good, I just got flamed real bad once cause I accidentally let something slip in a different forum once.

Well, I'm wondering now if something might happen that's similar to the end of the anime...where Ed and Alphonse both visit the Gate and Ed gets his full body back. Of course, I'm not expecting them to cross into different worlds or anything. xDD

[Nickmogo]

Yeah I don't know how many pages back, but we talked about it and Ed and Al visiting the gate again is a definite possibility for next chapter.

[Akeyami]

That would be sweet. And then....maybe they could use the opportunity to pull out their bodies!!

I'm sure you all already came to that glorious conclusion. xD

[Nickmogo]

Haha yeah we did, right after the new chapter came out we discussed the hell out of it =D

but I also said that wouldn't be good for Al, cause his whithering body couldn't survive if it came out in the snow. And then we said some other stuff I don't remember and we came to the conclusion they wouldn't get bodies back just yet.

[Akeyami]

Good call, good call. You all think well here. :D

I hope that Maybe Mei-chan can help Ed. Or Winry, somehow.

Do you know, I've always had this crazy idea that perhaps Winry could someday learn a bit of healing alchemy, like Rendanshu. That would really come in handy here (come on, Mei-chan!!).

[Nickmogo]

I'd always thought that winry might know a tinsy bit of alchemy, and thats why she's so good at being an automail tech! =D but I doubt she knows any

But actually her learning a little healing alchemy isn't really that out there

[Akeyami]

I think it would be cool, especially because it would give her and Ed something to bond on. -is a supporter of EdxWinry- xDD

And yeah, it could come in handy with making automail!

[Sniper]

What I'm wondering is why the hell Ed wants his real arm and leg back? Al I can understand, but Ed's not missing much, since most of him is still human and he still has one real arm and leg to do things like feel. His automail is his main weapon and it's saved his *** countless times. If he loses his automail and then continues to do the same things, he'll die pretty quickly.

I guess he could start wearing a gauntlet and it would serve the same purpose...

[Nickmogo]

Well when they originally set out they hadn't planned on saving the world, they just wanted their bodies back and then go settle down back in Resembool or somewhere, I don't think they planned on having to fight father/homonculi and save the world.

And I don't know he's a pretty good fighter and strategist, I'm sure he could change his fighting style for no automail, there's plenty of people that do just fine without any, (Mustang, Armstrong, Ling, Ran Fan, Izumi, etc.)

[Syolen]

That's why they went up north in the first place. They wanted to find Mei-chan and ask her a few things about Rentanjutsu.

Of course, now that they know what Father and the Homonculi are up to, they'll try to stop them. Ed isn't the "Achemist of the People" for nothing after all. But still, the brothers' main goal is to get their bodies back.

And I've already said this, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ed didn't get his limbs (or a leats one of them) back in the end...

[Kaiha]

I know everyone has said this....
Just to reiterate.
I can't wait much longer for FMA *explodes*

[Syolen]

D-15. Hold on !

[Pansori]

Kaiha, right about now is when we all start getting antsy and impatient for the next chapter to come out. I was happy as hell with this last chapter. It caused quite a stir! Usually it's just Syolen and I rambling about theories, but this time we had more discussion than I've ever seen on this FMA thread. :lol:

[Nickmogo]

My recent membership has brought life to the thread!!!

not really, but I try

[ghassassin]

Next chapter I am expecting some good action and some more mysteries to be unlocked. I hope we'll have those days again when a chapter used to be around 60 pages.

[Nickmogo]

I'm going to start a petition for weekly FMA

[Pansori]

My recent membership has brought life to the thread!!!

not really, but I try

I think there may be some truth to that considering you're the top contributor to this thread. :D

Hassin, I don't think there's going to be much upcoming action for now. Since ending off from the last chp. I thought there was going to be a major focus on the Gate in the next chp. But I do agree we'll have some questions answered.
If we do see some action, maybe it will be from the soldiers catching up with Kimbley?

[ghassassin]

I am expecting Ed to fight back Kimbley somehow. He can just lie there and wait for others to come. But yes that Gate thing will be interesting too. Anyways, I'll hang Arakawa if she doesnt entertain us in the next chapter...lol..

[Syolen]

Usually it's just Syolen and I rambling about theories

We're not "rambling" ! We're scientifically analyzing and trying to foresee what could come next ! :p
But yes, this chapter caused the whole fandom to explode or something.

As for action in the next one... could we see another confrontation between Scar and Kimbley ? Kimbley intended to go after them (if I remember well).