Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle

[Lainemaa]

Um, he didn't. He still had his power, but he split it in half and gave that half to Fujitaka, keeping the other half. Even in half, he would still be powerful enough. And he wouldn't need the Clow Cards either.

Oh yeah, I gotta read the manga again. >__<
Thanks for correction.

The new chapter comes out this week right?

Yep, and no doubt pressing questions will be answered (yeah, right!)

Yeah i highly doubt that possibility of anything being answered. Still lookin forward to the chapter.

nah..my dear bethy-chan, it IS worship..

[Vande]

So we trashed another topic (and some of it going off topic as per usual) :p

25/02 - Shonen Magazine #13 - Chapter 214

[ggctuk]

Can't wait. I did mean sarcasm in my last post, based on CLAMP's tendancy to wait ages before giving us anything that might shock us (The two biggest revelations I think were in 189 and 212, 213 just continued it - look how long between those chapters!)

Anyways, I hope CLAMP makes this chapter at least a little longer. Either that, or the final chapters themselves will be really long. I don't see the battle itself lasting more than the next three or four chapters. That leaves a further seven (predicted, remember) chapters to show us the answers to questions we really need answering. So there's not really much pressure here now.

As for off-topicness, I could recommend a certain forum with a certain thread. That went over 400 pages before the moderators on that forum said enough was enough.

[Killak]

For all we know, CLAMP may choose to extend TRC and holic slightly. They DO seem like they're going to end at the same time. It's just that holic happens in a faster timeframe than TRC. Sometimes, even a couple of days go per chapter (At least in the earlier ones), so in fact, TRC has to maintain it's pace.

ggctuk:

That forum wasn't EoFF, by any chance? haha.

/offtopic

Station: Unfotunately, there are too many contradictions to make Stand Alone Complex a prequel, and of course, the dates it occurs are AFTER the movies, which seems unfeasable.

[ggctuk]

Nope, it was Tomb Raider Forums.

Just seen the RAWs for 214. Its 20 pages long, and I will spoil it for you:

Kurogane goes for Fei Wong. Fai releases magic and everyone can move again. Syaoran jumps, takes Sakura's hand and pulls her out. Fei Wong's plan is not over though - the Clone Sakura disintegrates and Fei Wong takes the originalSakura. And in Tokyo, Yuuko collapses. The time has come.

:eban:

Well, I told you it would be drawing to a close soon. It appears as though Tube Sakura was the Clone after all.

[station to station]

It's just that holic happens in a faster timeframe than TRC. Sometimes, even a couple of days go per chapter (At least in the earlier ones), so in fact, TRC has to maintain it's pace.

Damn, I hadn't even really noticed that. You're a more observant fellow than I am.

[quuote]Station: Unfotunately, there are too many contradictions to make Stand Alone Complex a prequel, and of course, the dates it occurs are AFTER the movies, which seems unfeasable.[/QUOTE]

Well what a bummer, and here I was thinking it was a sequel.
And VERY OFF TOPIC (forgive me forum gods), but have you seen the
Machines Desirantes episodes with the Tachikomas? Possibly the greatest
Stand Alone Complex episode ever. Actually made me feel pity for the little fellows.

[Killak]

That was the Omake episodes just featuring the Tachikomas?

And it's easy to not see, the holic point I made. The anime seems long, but in fact, it does move slightly faster than TRC, which focuses on one world at a time, for maybe a single day or two in each world. Eg, in holic, the whole summer vacation (When Himawari was away) is summarised in a few chapters, while I'm sure in TRC, the events were shown in more detail.

Thanks for the compliment though... ^__^'

[Killak]

damn double posts....

[ggctuk]

Whoops! Double post!

[station to station]

^ Uh oh. Double post.

Well you're welcome. Considering your contributions to the xxxholic thread also,
it's true. :)

Omake? I have NO CLUE what that means, but what I was referring to was an
episode consisting mainly with the idea that the Tachikomas had acquired
individualities of their own, to the point of wondering about the existence of God,
or the significance of it, anyways.

[Killak]

Ah, I think I did see that. There was a shortened version of that conversation in 2nd Gig too.

And referring to my contributions to the holic thread... its just that I haven't had a place to place my thoughts in the series... CLAMP appeals to me greatly because of my approach to philosophy. Like the poem I wrote in my sig, I find many things in life a symbol. A vibrant coloured display of a need to have meaning and existance. The example of my sig. I knew a girl once... Who was born with a terrible condition, and yet she smiled truly from the bottom of her heart. She flew people to great heights with her angel wings, even though they were of glass and tore her skin to the bone....

Such things affect my way of thinking, and hence, my view of life.

I'm too Philosophical sometimes.

I don't look at it in the way of a man who is Atheist, but as someone who sees life as magical, and people themselves being magical. Haha

So to cut the rant short, I believe anything is possible, and so when someone makes a story like GiTS or the works of CLAMP, it really hits me in the heart.

[Zahraa123]

Very philosophical! (Also a very nice rant) Ohh man i can feel my obsession coming back as the release of the new chapter approaches...It's annoying...I hate waiting.

[Killak]

Thanks. I just need to rant sometimes...

[Zahraa123]

Lol, i can definately understand that :D But most of the time im working things out as i go along and it helps to analyse it when my ideas are in written form. Except for just ranting, which i also do quite often.

[Killak]

Yeah, which is why I write the poems. I've only written 3 in my life, and they came straight from raw emotion.

I use my novel in progress as a way to share my belief with the world. Magic in the world, manifesting through the power of all.

[Vande]

Just seen the RAWs for 214. Its 20 pages long, and I will spoil it for you:

Kurogane goes for Fei Wong. Fai releases magic and everyone can move again. Syaoran jumps, takes Sakura's hand and pulls her out. Fei Wong's plan is not over though - the Clone Sakura disintegrates and Fei Wong takes the original Sakura. And in Tokyo, Yuuko collapses. The time has come.


Oh sheeeeeeeeet (not bad since it shouldn't be out until tomorrow)

[ggctuk]

Japan is already on Wednesday, though. Or perhaps somebody released it early? Or is that the final version photographed by CLAMP themselves O_o

I don't fully understand the Japanese, having only taken a beginners course of it in College, but I do recall Fei Wong remarking "The original is better" just two chapters ago. So I wasn't too surprised by it.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Nope, it was Tomb Raider Forums.

Just seen the RAWs for 214. Its 20 pages long, and I will spoil it for you:

Kurogane goes for Fei Wong. Fai releases magic and everyone can move again. Syaoran jumps, takes Sakura's hand and pulls her out. Fei Wong's plan is not over though - the Clone Sakura disintegrates and Fei Wong takes the originalSakura. And in Tokyo, Yuuko collapses. The time has come.

:eban:

Well, I told you it would be drawing to a close soon. It appears as though Tube Sakura was the Clone after all.

DD':
Spoilers tempt me so much, but I can't help reading them. T___T
It better not happen, or else I've just spoiled the chapter completely (and for other obv. reasons)

I wonder if FWR will tell us what his actual wish is. I hope he does, it's very exciting.

[ggctuk]

We all know what his wish is - to bring somebody back from the dead.

Those spoilers aren't from some site. I actually downloaded RAWs a few hours back. Or rather, photos of the raws. They were high enough quality for photos of manga actually.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Yes, but who does he want to revive.

It's a bit early to have the chapter, right? O:
Is it already Wednesday in Japan? :'DD

[ggctuk]

As of half-an-hour ago... yeah, somebody had their hands on the chapter early, but then again it actually hits stores before they open, right? Perhaps an employee snuck a look.

As for who FWR wishes to revive... pass, I have absolutely no idea.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Sounds good. The sooner the better, right? :'3

[ggctuk]

Yeah, sadly the employer only took photos and not scans (guess he/she would be caught)

[BethhyTheMokona]

I suppose they will be. T___T
At least it's a definite confirmation that the chapter will be out very soon!!
:'D

[Killak]

It's th whole point behind the mystery. We cannot judge FWR fully until we know who he's bringing back. It's the one point CLAMP won't relinquish till the very end.

[Zahraa123]

Ok now i really cannot wait for chapter 214 to be released (page 9 is so cute!!)

[BethhyTheMokona]

I haven't seen the RAWs yet, but I'm literally bouncing on my chair in excitement for the scanlations already!!
O:

[Killak]

It's now going too far. I need the next chapter.

[Vande]

LOL addicts XD (does not go for the raws.....must be good)

[ggctuk]

xxxholic 174 is out this week too. I've just seen the raws, it connects directly with TRC 214.

Carrying on from TRC 214, Yuko dissolved into sakura petals. Watanuki wakes up and a butterfly goes from his hand. Next day, he and Doumeki go to the client's house and get no answer.

[Eveonder Maelstrom]

Yuukoooooo
/cries D<

@Bethhy... my Yuuko is a Sakura Clone/alternate theory D< lol

[ggctuk]

I could just imagine it now, like a scene from Empire Strikes Back

Yuuko to Watanuki: I am your mother.
Watanuki: That's not true!

Yep, it's silly, but so was having C!Sakura's feather exist before she did.

[BethhyTheMokona]

DD':
Oh my God!!
That's all I can say.
:'<
And if at least one, or two would be better, of these people who keep disappearing don't return, I will slip slowly into madness. :']
I hope to the high merciful heavens that this manga has a happy ending. They all deserve one!
'Cept Butt Chin Wonder, with his massive butt chin and hairiest side burns I've ever seen!! Geez, they are huge!! And his beard; it almost buries his butt chin, which I think is literally impossible.

[Killak]

You love the nickname, "Butt chin wonder".

Lol

[Zahraa123]

Who doesn't? :D It's an incredibly fitting nickname as well as being funny.
Well if anyone wants to read them early, the translations
1
Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE
Chapitre 214: The Final Chain
[Insert text: Will the world's most sacred rule, that the dead cannot return to life, actually collapse...?]

2
Fai: !!

3
Mokona: It's no good... // I can't even stand...

4
[no text just kurogane]

5
FeiWong: Just when my wish is about to be realised... / ...how tasteless.

6
[no text just hmm.]

7
Syaoran?: !!

8
[no text just drama]

9
Fai/Kurogane: SYAORAN!!

10
[no text just GRAB THAT HAND!]

11
[no text just tension]

12-13
[no text just magic and drama and... you get the picture]

14
[no text just this is all getting a little chaotic]

15
[no text just DAMN RIGHT YOU GOT IT.]

16-17
[no text just hells yeah]

18
FeiWong: So you took it... // ...that hand. // And with that choice... // ...the final chain has been severed.

19
FeiWong: You made to recover one on the point of death. / Those feelings... // ...that final choice... // ...will cause one who also placed one foot into the valley of death... / ...and was frozen in time at that very instant in the same way...
Syaoran: Sakura!!
FeiWong: ...to be called back!!
[TN: Gawd, Fei Wong's sentences confuse me sometimes. I really couldn't tell what the hell he was saying there until I reread it about three times ~_~]

20
[no text just ominous-ness]

[station to station]

xxxholic 174 is out this week too. I've just seen the raws, it connects directly with TRC 214.

Carrying on from TRC 214, Yuko dissolved into sakura petals. Watanuki wakes up and a butterfly goes from his hand. Next day, he and Doumeki go to the client's house and get no answer.


YUUKO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Say it isn't so, and it's all just a lie concocted by you. :(

[tigglet]

oh noses... refuses to read spoiler.

but but... i've been a bit confused by recent chapters. with time going back to normal, are you suggesting yuuko... disappears :cry: or goes back to some orignial time before she met everyone...

/totally confused with last 2 chapters, hoping new chapters will explain much... like why is butt chin guy not dead and killed yet...

[Zahraa123]

I've completely lost the plot with this now. I simply do not understand what is going on. :P
I guess the phrase "Its always darkest before the dawn" has to be applied to answer the question of why butt chin wonder still lives with his horrific features that make us wanna burn our eyes.

[Lone_ant]

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/214/

It's on!!

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/214/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/214/16-17/
W000T

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/214/20/
Yuuko?

Ha! I knew it, FWR is reviving Yuuko! If my theory is true, you all know who called it :)

[Ryo-Chan]

chapter 214 was...confusing..

[Lone_ant]

Chapter Synopsis

There's massive dimensional upheaval and warping (so much so that Mokana feels the effects as debilitating to him/her) Then, Kuro and Fay try to attack FWR but is repelled. Syaoran is distracted but the two shout at him "Syaoran" (don't mind us save sakura). And finally hurt FWR in their next attack.

Meanwhile, with all his mind and soul now free from distraction and hesitation, RSyaoran finally saves RSakura (well her body at least). But this fact was all part of FWR's plan all along, in fact his whole plan HINGED on the gambit that Syaoran will save Sakura from death in the end. By saving Sakura from the jaws of death (literally) the chain binding the dead is released allowing the someone FWR wanted to revive to return to life.

Cut to Yuuko in her Butterfly dress (with wings spread out as if about to fly) and sakura petals all around. << That part needs the next chapter to clarify so..


.. where's my next chap!!!! Seriously, I never wanted,.. no lusted for the next chapter this much O.o

My theory is that FWR wanted to revive Yuuko whose existance is as questionable as Watanuki as she's supposed to be dead but is not instead (her time was stopped..kind of) explains why she does not age. Yuuko's wish is to completely die so to stop all FWR's craziness, so perhaps Watanuki might do something to fix this.. somehow.. without reversing Sakura's non-death...

.. as I said.. next chap!

[Zahraa123]

ARGHHH!! I NEED THE NEXT CHAPTER!!
I FOUND THE RELEASE DATE!!

03/04 - Shonen Magazine #14 - Chapter 215.

Everythings pretty much on track then :D

[Killak]

WHY SO LONG FOR A CHAPTER?!


O_O

214 made me wild... love it...

[Ryo-Chan]

hey..Ryo-chan has a question..
Are Kamui and Subaru both guys? i mean...Subaru looks like a girl..

[Xiphoid]

hey..Ryo-chan has a question..
Are Kamui and Subaru both guys? i mean...Subaru looks like a girl..

They are both guys

WHY SO LONG FOR A CHAPTER?!


O_O

214 made me wild... love it...

It really isn't that long, just next Wednesday. I think it's pretty cool that we're going to have two friday the 13ths in a row...But I digress.

On another note....
YUUKO!!!!! D=

[ggctuk]

Chapter 214's ending with Yuuko leads to xxxHolic 174 (which was also out yesterday).

I cleaned the raws posted by ladydarkmoon and added the cnet128 translation, right here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=26PXJNL1

[Vande]

Franky House version is now out of 214.

This ties to the latest xxxHolic as well!

[BethhyTheMokona]

Eh!!!
What's happened to Clone Sakura? What's happening to Real Sakura!? What's wrong with Yuuko?!?
I want the next chapter as soon as possible!!
I hate cliff hangers!! (loves them really, it's just the waiting is unbearable sometimes).
DD':

[Tsuki]

oO... This chapter made me understand why FWR wanted to kill Sakura with that black deathseal... it all makes sence, but HOW the **** could Butt Chin plan all this??? so many chances and choices, there's no way he could see all this happening even if he is a dreamgazer... he couldn't have predicted hitsuzen this well from the beginning.

[station to station]

Ha! I knew it, FWR is reviving Yuuko! If my theory is true, you all know who called it :)


Might be possible, but then again, he said someone else who was frozen
in time just like Sakura... was that Yuuko? And if so, how?

I agree, it was a VERY CONFUSING chapter. We basically learned a lot and
at the same time NOTHING from this chapter. All we have now is more questions
than what we had after last chapter.

edit: If Yuuko looks like she's dying, then how can she be "revived"? My thoughts
for a while have been that Yuuko herself isn't human, that's why she's lived for so long.
Or was she some kind of ghost/spirit this whole time?

[Azamiko]

Honestly, the major reason I come to these forums is to get the chapters explained. ^^; Though this chapter wasn't as bad as some. It was basically things exploding for about 75% and then FWR is all =D And Syaoran is all D:< and Sakura is all oO0* and Yuuko is all x_x.

[Tsuki]

We did recieve an important information about the reason Butt Chin wanted to 'kill' Sakura... And I'm really worried about Yuuko, especially after reading holic 174 a few minutes ago...

[Azamiko]

Yeah, same here. Well, I'm more worried about Watanuki. What if she disappears and he never figures out how or why?

[finalnight]

Woah...did they just take out sakura and/or Yuuko? Lots of shared imagery too. Very nice to have simeaultaneous releases.

[GrantoroftheWishes]

I havea theory... I wish I had brought this up sooner in the forum... before it got this late...
Click the spoiler mark to see it...

Perhaps Fei Wong Reid wants to Bring Yuuko back from the World of the Dead. Or in this case to bring her back from one step within it. Sakura and Yuuko, two ties by wings of Fate. The Butterfly's dream. It makes sense in a point, that maybe he started (Butt Chin) to get someone he loved back. Though it doesn't add up in a sense. Thank you so much CLAMP for killing one of my FAVORITE CHARACTERS.

That's partly my theory. The other half well... One for another. Maybe I've been watching FMA too much but equivalent exchange. It doesn't add up though WHY Yuuko... of all the Characters... I LIKE YUUKO!!!! *points to user name*

[GrantoroftheWishes]

Sorry for the double post BUT BLAST YOU Lone_ant!!!!

[tigglet]

I'm still confuse on one point.
. Syaoran brings sakura (body and mind, or is her mind still in a dream) back from the edge of death.

. so by equivalent exchange, wouldn't someone else have to pay the price and die... instead of being brought back from the dead (maybe this is too many other mangas...) But I don't see how syaoran getting his wish to bring sakura back allows butt chin guy to also bring someone back.... ...

maybe yuuko and sakura have some connection. But maybe yuuko is just gone because she was a witch of time and dimensions and currently all the time and dimensions are disappearing... so she disappeared too. ?
(but i do like the sakura and yuuko possible connection theories)

[Zahraa123]

Really random, but does any one know where i can find Blaze in Mp3 format? (The tsubasa anime intro song thingy)

[tomoyo_chan]

here zahraa-chan: http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=XyKTyPkntBle5akexrR3
but i think u have to sign up first to download it.....

anywayz, great chapter...!! ^_^

[Lone_ant]

what did I do ? :p

okay since it's Darwin year, I'll let you be Wallace..

btw... Yuuko!!! Nooooo! Well, as long as everthing goes all along with the theory, she's really alive (for now...)

[Azamiko]

Well...Yuuko looks more like Watanuki than Sakura or Syaoran do. And yet, Watanuki is supposed to be an alternate version of Syaoran.

Or maybe Yuuko is that world's Tomoyo, grown up and with straightened hair! =O

Tomoyo-chan, who is that in your icon?

[Zahraa123]

here zahraa-chan: http://www.aimini.net/view/?fid=XyKTyPkntBle5akexrR3
but i think u have to sign up first to download it.....

anywayz, great chapter...!! ^_^

Thanks very muchly! (For our schools version of World of wearable arts, i made a design that looks similar to Sakuras outfit except alot more bird-like- everyone loves the idea- anyway i'm going to be using Blaze as the music when the model walks on wearing it!)
Go Tsubasa obsessions!

[lost_feather]

@ Azamiko: I don't think it's Tomoyo... hmm... although... no, it can't be because Tomoyo knew Sakura, ne? And Yuuko said she knew of Sakura, but hadn't met her. And it's Yuuki of Vampire Knight, I think. (Damn you Kanami! Go Zero! (Sorry for off-topicness))

Well... that was... um. Yeah. Epic. Yay for Syaoran finally grabbing Sakura though. I swear, I thought CLAMP was gonna extend that bit over another chapter... Anyway, good job for theorizing that one, lone ant! (I'm pretty sure you're right...)

Was FWR in love with Yuuko? He sure doesn't act like it...

[Killak]

This thread is now confusin.

FWR refers to Yuuko as "Witch", but doesn't really use terms of malice against her, lost feather. I can see where you're coming from, but throughout the anime, he seems to regard Yuuko as an obstacle, almost a rival of equal ability.

[Killak]

Damn double posts... I hate my browser.

[lost_feather]

This thread is now confusin.

FWR refers to Yuuko as "Witch", but doesn't really use terms of malice against her, lost feather. I can see where you're coming from, but throughout the anime, he seems to regard Yuuko as an obstacle, almost a rival of equal ability.

I agree. Hmm... although, I like the theory that Yuuko is actually a clone/ghost/someother strange CLAMP invention that is replacing the real Yuuko... kinda like Watanuki.

[tomoyo_chan]

@ azamiko: lost_feather ish right... my avy ish yuki from VK...

@ lost_feather: yay..!! :dance: i love zero too...!!!

@ zahraa-chan: ur welcome... and good luck for ur art, err.... design thingy... ^_^

[station to station]

This thread is now confusin.

FWR refers to Yuuko as "Witch", but doesn't really use terms of malice against her, lost feather. I can see where you're coming from, but throughout the anime, he seems to regard Yuuko as an obstacle, almost a rival of equal ability.

Yes, Yuuko was/is just another obstacle to FWR's plans. Someone else mentioned
how amazing it was that FWR seemed to predict ALMOST EVERYTHING so perfectly
(no one can be that powerful a seer!) that he knew how to make it work to his
advantage. But FWR seems clearly to be underestimating Yuuko and Clow. Even
in death Clow had been shown to have a HUGE impact. Goes to show you how
powerful and prepared the man was.

Well...Yuuko looks more like Watanuki than Sakura or Syaoran do. And yet, Watanuki is supposed to be an alternate version of Syaoran.

I think that's all just a coincidence. Notice that Doumeki and Himawari are also
have black hair, pale skin, and lanky bodies. They must be related also? Nah.

Watanuki only looks the way he does because his parents chose it that way,
or else he'd look EXACTLY like Syaron or very close to his appearance. I'm
guessing, in a way, they chose this appearance for him so he could lead his own
life separate from any notions that he's someone else's copy and not his own person
and become depressed by it, something that happened to CSakura and it made her lonely
and emotionally unavailable to everyone afterwards, to the point of sacrificing herself.
(Probably in her subconscious she thought she didn't deserve to live. like Watanuki did before also.)

[ggctuk]

station to station, your second point is a good point. I made my remark as a sarcastic joke, I don't think it would actually happen, even in the context of TRC.

[station to station]

Thanks, but I don't think I'm the only one who's pointed this out before,
or viewed it in this light.


I think, by now, everyone's noticed the vast difference between the art styles
and the use of colors in both series. (As an artist, I highly applaud CLAMP for
using this technique. It's both extremely effective and interesting to see.) So
my theory on the endings of each series is based on the "colors" used for them.
I'm not talking on exact endings, but on what the overall feeling for each will be.
Since TRC has the lighter colors, I'm assuming it'll be the one with the happier
ending. It'll a be one about the triumph of "good vs. evil" or "love conquers all",
something to that effect. On the other hand, xxxHolic looks like it'll a rather sad
and bittersweet ending. Watanuki may end up assuming the role as "Witch of
Dimensions", but at a great price (Yuuko's death). It's not so much a theory,
but a hunch.

[Ren-san]

Regarding the use of colors:

The XXXholic Series is more focused on what a person wishes for and the consequences of those wishes. While the TRC Series was more focused on Syaoran, Fai, Kurogane, Sakura, and Mokona retrieving Sakura's lost feathers. So it would only seem natural to me, to use more light colors for the TRC Series and the darker colors for the XXXholic Series. But with the recent developments in the TRC Series, I wouldn't be all that sure if that series will get an happy ending.

[lost_feather]

Regarding the use of colors:

The XXXholic Series is more focused on what a person wishes for and the consequences of those wishes. While the TRC Series was more focused on Syaoran, Fai, Kurogane, Sakura, and Mokona retrieving Sakura's lost feathers. So it would only seem natural to me, to use more light colors for the TRC Series and the darker colors for the XXXholic Series. But with the recent developments in the TRC Series, I wouldn't be all that sure if that series will get an happy ending.

Noo! Don't say that! Never say that! You'll jinx it... somehow! TRC must have a happy ending! But yes, I agree with the points on colour and how xxxHolic will probably have a bitterweet ending.

[Azamiko]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Never trust CLAMP for happy endings.

[station to station]

Well I meant it more as that the ending of TRC will end with a lighter ending,
compared to that of xxxHolic's. That doesn't necessarily mean a "happy ending" but
rather, a more positive one. Other CLAMP manga have ended with a happy one,
so why not this one at least?

[anesthesia]

Hi everyone. I'm just a little confused about something, and I couldn't find a definitive answer in the archives, so I actually made an account in order to clear up my confusion.

What exactly is going on with Sakura?

From what I can understand, Clone Sakura's soul has died, and Kyle brought her body to Fei Wong Reed. Fei Wong Reed then said that when he made Clone Sakura, the original body disappeared. (He said this somewhere near chapter 181 btw.)

So was the Sakura caught in the stagnant time the Original Sakura? If it is, wouldn't it have been inaccessible to Fei Wong Reed to make a clone out of? And how could it have disappeared if it were still right there? And where the hell is her soul?

Also, when exactly did Fei Wong Reed create Clone Sakura? Was it before, during, or after Real Syaoran was cloned?

Sorry for the long questionnaire. It just seemed like once I started, a whole spew of questions just came up... Thanks to anyone willing to answer, though!

[Ren-san]

I will give you the best answer that you can get for all of those questions.

Just wait for Clamp to answer all of those questions.

You will just get more confused trying to figure this out. Especially, since no one else knows how this will all pan out in the end. Their isn't any definite answers for the questions that you have asked in your post above.

You will only be able to get theories from the members here regarding those questions. The fact that most of the dimensions are starting to come to together, only partially begins to answer all of those questions that you asked above.

The main answer that needs to be revealed first, is how the flow of time has been working throughout this series. There is just too much distorted time flying all over the place to make an accurate assumption about everything. Then their is the whole cloning processes that needs to be explained in further details. Since it would seem that their is more of a storyline to this than what has been revealed so far in the series.

Which leads to what is currently going to happen next in the series.

oO... This chapter made me understand why FWR wanted to kill Sakura with that black deathseal... it all makes sence, but HOW the **** could Butt Chin plan all this??? so many chances and choices, there's no way he could see all this happening even if he is a dreamgazer... he couldn't have predicted hitsuzen this well from the beginning.

Don't forget that, Fei Wong Reed, didn't plan all of this out. It has been constantly shown throughout the series that, Fei Wong Reed, didn't know how everything would pan out. Just like with King Ashura from Celes Country, the only thing a Dream-seer is able to do, is just move from one step to another from using their own knowledge about everything.

Fei Wong Reed, probably has knowledge that is on par with Clow Reed's and Yuuko's knowledge of dimensions. So from knowing all about dimensions and the prices that are needed to grant his wish, FWR could only set the different notions (events) in play and constantly keep an eye on everything that has happened throughout the course of the journey. Hence, the reason as to why he was always keeping an extremely close eye on everyone on the journey.

FWR knew and understood the various emotions humans have, so carefully planning out everything becomes all that much better. When you make a plan of this caliber, one must always look at the situation from as many point of views or different perspectives as possible, so that no event in the future will surprise the instigator (planner) in the end.

This plan doesn't have room for loop holes to be left unfilled. Everything has to be taken seriously. Every move, every step, every breath taken has to be carefully watched, to make sure that the pieces on the board are moving in their correct order. One wrong move and the plan can fall apart.

[Zahraa123]

Just shows how truly brilliant FWR's plan was, no matter how screwed up the general idea is.

[BethhyTheMokona]

What exactly is Yuuko and Butt Chin's relationship? If she's the one he wants to revive how is he connected to her?
And even if he does successfully revive Yuuko, she won't forgive him for the many things he did just to revive her. She's not evil like him, she can't be.

[Ren-san]

What exactly makes, Fei Wong Reed, evil again?

Having a hard time remembering everything that makes him the evil person in this series. Since both he and the Real Syaoran have tampered with the flow of dimensions, in order to make sure both of their wishes become true.

[BethhyTheMokona]

FWR stole souls and forced them into slaves... putting a seal of death on Sakura so Syaoran would make that wish (if that had never happened, Fai, Kurogane, Syaoran and every main character in the series would be happy and gleeful)...

Re-read the series so that the Butt Chin Wonder hateful-ness returns. XD

[Ren-san]

But what if someone else's wish was the creation of, Fei Wong Reed's, wish in the first place.

Wouldn't that make FWR a pawn in someone else'e plans then?

This could have been someone else's idea and FWR is just playing along for the time being.

[station to station]

^ Seems doubtful. Why would they go ahead and introduce another character in
the series almost at the very end?

What exactly makes, Fei Wong Reed, evil again?

Having a hard time remembering everything that makes him the evil person in this series. Since both he and the Real Syaoran have tampered with the flow of dimensions, in order to make sure both of their wishes become true.

I think Killak (?) was the one who pointed this out before. But the reason FWR is
evil is because he's willing to consciously destroy someone else's life for his wish
to be granted. He's willingly done harm to others to attain his goals. RSyaron,
on the other hand, while his wish could be viewed as evil, due to the tampering
of the Laws of Nature, did so without knowing the full consequences that a wish
of that magnitude would sow. Besides that, Syaron, unlike FWR, has gone out of
his way to help others and has repented for all his sins.

[Ren-san]

But to what limit does Real Syaoran's repenting go to?

The Real Syaoran doesn't even know the limits (or consequences) of his own wish. This was conformed when he told Fai and Kurogane that everything that has happened up until now, might have been all his fault because of the selfish wish that he wanted to have granted back when he was younger. If it weren't for Fai and Kurogane, saying that they didn't care about what he had done, then I am sure that the burden on the Real Syaoran's heart would have weighted him down even more.

The fact that he has helped tear apart dimensions, can't ever be fully repented for. Syaoran can be kind all he wants, but that doesn't fix everything that has happened during the course of his journey.

Many more images like the one here, (http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/136/17/) were created from his wish and Fei Wong Reed's goals. So how can one say is ever going to be able to repent for the various outcomes that have occurred during the course of his lifetime after the wish was granted. Syaoran will always be an evil character for the remainder of the series.

You can use as many sweet words all you want, but the fact that he has sullied his hands won't ever change. The fact that Clone Sakura decided to sully her hands in order to retrieve the Clone Syaoran's heart, doesn't make her the same good person that she was before. Someone somewhere is going to detest her existence because of everything that has happened. The same thing is applied to Syaoran and everyone else as well.

So only those who haven't sullied their hands can be called truly good characters. Everyone else that has sullied their hands can't ever be called truly good characters again, in my personal opinion. No matter how harsh it sounds, the fact is no one can change the past and the same thing can be said here.

[Zahraa123]

All the above is true, yes, but surely there is a difference between feeling the sorrow and remorse of your actions, and not? Doesn't that seem to be the one thing that's seperated FWR and Syaoran's actions and characters?
Both of their actions were atrocious and yes Syaoran did not know the extent of the consequences that is true, and yet also what did happen was unforgivable. I agree that no matter how the character acts now or the reasons for their actions, still that does not make them "good". Surely though, the thing that seperates them is Syaorans extent of humanity?
The fact he can still feel remorse and regret, where as FWR is obviously too caught up in his own selfish self-centered wish to feel anything. Isnt that single factor worthy enough to seperate FWR and Syaoran's similarity?

[Ren-san]

I can't fully agree with the fact that FWR doesn't feel remorse or regret for everything that he has done up to this moment in time. For all we know, Fei Wong Reed, may have felt remorse or regret for the things that he has done up until this moment in time. But because of some event from the past, Fei Wong Reed, may have already made a resolution to not waver for anything that should happen now. Similar to how Clone Sakura formed an resolve to continue hunting down Clone Syaoran in order to mend his incomplete heart. Clone Sakura didn't really care about the fact that she was going to have to hurt people later on, in order to accomplish the goals that she wanted to accomplish.

Sure Clone Sakura may feel a ton of remorse and regret along the way, but the fact that she choose this path and still continues to walk done it, shows that she is willing to hurt other people in order to accomplish her dreams. The one thing that Clone Sakura has been spared a lot of during the course of her journey between dimensions, is with the killing of different beings. It wasn't until the Tokyo Arc, that I saw Sakura willing to kill another living being, regardless if that living being happens to be a human or an animal.

The fact that Sakura has killed another living creature, regardless if that being was human or not, doesn't change the fact that she has taken another beings life away. And to make the matter worse, that being was only trying to guard something that was precious to it.

The "being" that I am referring to here, is the 2 Headed Snake,

So how is Clone Sakura all that different from, Fei Wong Reed, here?

Even though she and the rest of the TRC group know that, Fei Wong Reed, has been using them for his own twisted ambitions. They still decided to continue their journey between dimensions to gather the remaining feathers containing Sakura's memories, in order to complete their own ambitions. This group is also willing to distort the fabric of time between dimensions in order to have their own wishes granted.

It is true that the TRC group probably wouldn't resort to creating clones in order to accomplish their goals. But then again, I don't really remember any of their goals requiring some of these drastic measures that, Fei Wong Reed's, goals require. So I can't say for certain whether or not every member in the TRC group wouldn't resort to, Fei Wong Reed's, measures for accomplishing their goals.

Some of the sins that the TRC Group has committed along the way:

The Real Syaoran has already proven that he is willing to resort to disrupting the fabric of time in order to save his important person. So he isn't all that far away from being all that different from, Fei Wong Reed.

Then their is the Clone Sakura's situation that I mentioned before in the above paragraphs. So she isn't all that far away from accomplishing her goals any different then, Fei Wong Reed, has either.

The same can be said for Fai (or Yuui).

At first Fai (Yuui) didn't want to accept, Fei Wong Reed's, goals for anything. But once, Fei Wong Reed, offered Fai (Yuui) a once in a lifetime chance at bringing back someone from the dead, I didn't see Fai (Yuui) continue to refuse the offer. In fact he was willing to accept whatever price was necessary for his wish to become accomplished.

Link: http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/158/02/

[Zahraa123]

You win hands down. Can't argue with that..

[Killak]

Ren chan. I agree that you are correct. A murder is a murder, a theft is a theft. However, this is an abstract definitive view that cannot be maintained on a personal level.

If a man steals a loaf of bread because he's peckish, it's a crime. But, if a beggar urchin was to steal a loaf to feed his family, we wouldn't be so judgemental.

Try and reason with this: If I was to ask the majority of people whether or not they approve of the death penalty for murderers and rapists, they would all unanimously vote NO. A huge resounding, self righteous no.

However, ask these people what they would do if they came home and found that someone had raped and murdered their mother, maybe even a little sister, their response would all yet again be the same, single vote.

"I'll Kill the one who did this."

People can stand and judge evil and say it's all the same. But they can only truly understand when they are in those shoes. I can't judge Syaoran as wrong as I cannot be in his mind. However, if we try and think of it in an empathic way, he did this out of confusion, in the spur of the moment, as he had been taught by his father to be this way. Always looking forward, never faltering in one's duties. The argument that Syaoran's actions could also have been Hitsuzen cannot be missed.

What if the universe needed Syaoran to reformat it's fabric? In the end, the price was paid in full, so I'm guessing the universe is still intact. Even in the most recent chapter, it says that the person that FWR is resurrecting is "Trapped in a frozen time" on the verge of death. So, even now, that person isn't even dead. There's a difference between bringing back the DEAD and bringing back those frozen in time.

This point and wording make me question whether the sins of Syaoran were that great indeed.

[ggctuk]

Yeah...

Another addition is that Syaoran had no idea of the consequences his wish would have, whereas Fei Wong knew full-well the impact ("No matter the cost, I will restore a lost life.")

[Ren-san]

This point and wording make me question whether the sins of Syaoran were that great indeed.

I don't disagree with anything that you mentioned, I am just looking at the many different views (perspectives) as possible. I have been questioning whether or not everything that everyone has done up until this point in time, is right or wrong?

That is the main reason as to why I am saying that the TRC group aren't all that different from FWR himself. What if everything FWR has done up until this moment in time, is nothing more than a cleverly devised (and/or concealed) way of restoring the balance between everything.

What if someone else distorted the balance between worlds prior to FWR's wish?

Then can all of the deeds that FWR has accomplished up until this point, not be justified in a sense?

But then again, the main problem with everything has to do with the whole justification system. This is the main train of thought I want people to remember and question, when they talk about FWR and his desires. From the current perspective FWR may seem wrong, but that is because their is a lack of justification for his reasons as to why he is doing everything that he is doing.

If Clamp shows a tragic past for, Fei Wong Reed, then what do you think the justification system for judging characters is going to do in such a situation?

Just like you mentioned in your post regarding the death sentence and people being abused, raped, or any other form of assault. People are most likely going to judge that person from a different view (and/or perspective).

[tigglet]

To why I think butt chin guy (FWR) is evil:

Syaoran's wish wasn't exactly to bring someone back from the dead... he just wanted a second chance/second time to reach for sakura's hand (which would prevent her death? or prevent her from dying and going with FWR (I still don't fully understand how the death mark worked). It seems less evil to redo one's own actions rather than to just say, "hey bring them back to life now"....

Ren-san- your post reminded me... Each of the main characters have wished to bring someone back from the dead.
FWR (someone frozen in time, not dead...)
syaoran - sakuara
fai - yuuri
kuragaine - his mother (he was wild at her death)

FWR is responsible for killing each person's important person. Then FWR follows up and tries to take advantage of all the main characters (syaoran/fai/kuragaine) wishes to revive the dead to be part of his plan. I don't know how butt chin was so powerful to find all the people and direct the events, but all the bad memories the characters suffer are caused by butt chin guy. and like ggctuk said above^^, FWR knows the consequences and the others do not...

I'm sure there is justification for everyone wishing to bring someone back from the dead, but evil butt chin guy is there killing the important person and is present to offer an enabling "wish". Yuuko just seems to be interfering to make sure the repercussions of FWR are less dangerous to the rest of the world. (or maybe that person frozen in time is yuuko or clow or someone powerful and technically FWR and yuuko are working together towards the same ends different means...)

[Tsuki]

After reading all these views, I say there is truth in all these posts. Syaoran and FWR both have sins because of there wishes, but there's a difference between them. That is the reason for killing. Syaoran didn't kill anyone directly, many died because of his wish, but he never wanted to kill just out of a whim. I don't mean this is a good thing to do, but he regrets his sins, and thinks of the lost lives as sacrifices, so he is doing his best to not let those lives go in vain... As for FWR, he killed many for his wish as well but he used other people's life, while in Syaoran's case the lost lives were consequences. FWR killed people without a proper reason or without any profit from their deaths. Remember Xing Huo? Why did he have to kill her? There wasn't any profit for him in killing her... So the main difference between FWR and Syaoran is their views of their sins and the situation. I don't say that Syaoran is innocent, but he is more of a positive character than FWR.

[Lone_ant]

Wow, amazing discussion we are having here! As much as I'd like to join in the fray, much of what I will be saying or will be rebutting has already been said so, I'm going to clarify Sakura's situation of whose question was the instigator of all this metaphysical speculation >_<.


There have been two Sakuras since Syaoran reversed time and created a temporal bubble.

The reversed time continued on its way with some major things different (such as Sakura's parents, Syaoran's origin etc). Note that the Sakura and Syaoran inhabiting the continued reversed time are already both clones. RSyaoran in the meantime, got himself reversed as well and was imprisoned by FWR as part of his payment to Yuuko, but not before putting half his heart into the clone. RSakura meanwhile got her time reversed and stopped in the temporal bubble (FWR somehow created a clone out of her, perhaps in the process of reversal, time is being bent over backwards anyway so he can have all the time he needed to make a clone). Unfortunately in the process of clone creation, RSakura's body was destroyed and hence only the soul was trapped in the temporal bubble.

The next major thing that happened was in that Chess world to CSakura. By fusing two feathers from different worlds from two different versions of the same entity simultanously, CSakura was able to achieve magical power greater than Fei, thus activating his auto-kill curse. Fortunately, Sakura already wished to Yuuko before hand that she be sent to the world of dreams (which only the soul can get into) so she wasn't killed, and her body was healed. When they were in Nihon country, the battle between the RSyaoran and CSyaoran spilled over to the Dream Dimension and got CSakura's soul killed.

So now we have RSakura's Soul, and CSakura's body (with added feather memories)



*whew* Any mistakes I made?

[Zahraa123]

No that sounds about right.

[Lone_ant]

So anyone else have any questions on the plotline? Let's see if I understand everything correctly :D

Btw, I'd also like to add how Sakura looked:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/212/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/212/07/

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/214/16-17/
Did she just grow up as soon as she got out of the Jaws of Death?
So is she grown up now?

[Tsuki]

Correct me, Lone_ant, but I think what you linked are two different Sakuras... They are wering different clothes as well. There's CSakura's body drifting here http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Rese...nicles/212/07/
And the one Syaoran pulled out is the RSakura, but younger, cause time was stopped when she was only 7, at the end of that purification ceremony. This isn't the time when she almost died, this is when she recieved the deathseal, remember. Here (http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Rese...les/214/16-17/) you can see that she is young, smaller than Syaoran. So there are 2 Sakuras at the moment, one without a soul--> CSakura and one 7 years old, the past self of the RSakura

[Lone_ant]

Yes, that was my point(and I was referring to the younger one, not the one drifting), I guess the angle and the way he was holding her make it look as if she was older (well to me lol)

[Tsuki]

Oh sorry^^" I get your point now

[Ren-san]

The Real Syaoran knew the consequences of his wish before he made it. Re-read what Yuuko told him before he asked for the wish to be fulfilled. (Chapters 200 - 203)

He admits at the beginning of Chapter 200, that he didn't fully (or truly) understand the consequences of his wish, at the exact moment in time.

Link: http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/200/03/

Thank you, for all of your views on why the characters in this series are good and evil.

[ggctuk]

TRC 215 is out.

THe person who had stepped into the grave and was called back is Yuuko, who tells Fei Wong to end his - and Clow's - dream. Fei Wong gloats as the two Sakuras merge into one. Fei Wong remarks Yuuko had severed her very being and time. Then, Sakura stops glowing, and Yuuko once again remarks Fei Wong's dream will remain a dream. Then we see the glass tube in Yuuko's shop (coincidentally against the same background from chapter 1's vision) as a light enters it.

So much for the vision being a metaphor, eh? Seems Clow was 'evil' too, he had tried to revive the dead by treading on people's toes. He's quite good at that, I think.

[Thaiane]

TRC 215 is out.

THe person who had stepped into the grave and was called back is Yuuko, who tells Fei Wong to end his - and Clow's - dream. Fei Wong gloats as the two Sakuras merge into one. Fei Wong remarks Yuuko had severed her very being and time. Then, Sakura stops glowing, and Yuuko once again remarks Fei Wong's dream will remain a dream. Then we see the glass tube in Yuuko's shop (coincidentally against the same background from chapter 1's vision) as a light enters it.

So much for the vision being a metaphor, eh? Seems Clow was 'evil' too, he had tried to revive the dead by treading on people's toes. He's quite good at that, I think.

Wel, he doesn't necessarily need to be 'evil' he was probably a 'good' mage until he lost someone (That I still want to know who it is) and ended up becoming 'evil' (Though I think that his wish to revive someone would have to consume him before he turned 'evil')

[Ren-san]

Well, we at least know that this whole trip started with an incomplete wish left behind by Clow Reed, Yuuko, and Fei Wong Reed. We still don't know what happened at the end, since it was foretold that Clow Reed had a change of heart at the end. Or at least that is how I remember reading it a while back.

I wonder why Yuuko made such a wish in the first place?

Was Clow Reed then trying to bring Yuuko back?

If so, for what purpose could bringing Yuuko back to her right place in time be?

Yuuko has stated that herself and Clow used to travel for a while. And it doesn't seem that Yuuko dislikes Clow. So perhaps she was the original instigator of all of this. And the reasons as to why she understands (or gained such vast knowledge of crossing dimensions, granting wishes, and magical power) was because of her own wishes from the past.

The story seems to be getting more and more interesting. I can't wait for the next release.

[Zahraa123]

Ummi found the raws if anyone wants to download them

http://kewlshare.com/dl/e0c4b4e2d1d5/Tsubasa215.zip.html

Dunno whats going on but it looks so interesting!!!!!! Come on translations....

AH!!! FOUND THEM!!
1
Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE
Chapitre 215: The True Being
[Insert text: As the world is driven into a corner, does the witch have a plan...?]
Yuuko: ...Yes. / The dream remains a dream. // You must put an end to that which you have begun. // Fei Wong...

2-3
Yuuko: ..and... / ...Clow.
Fai/Kurogane: ?!

4
[no text just Sakura <3]

5
Syaoran: ?!
Mokona: The little Sakura and the big Sakura... / They merged together?!
Kurogane: What's going on...?
Fai: I don't know...

6
Fai: But... // The Sakura-chan who we went on our journey with... / ...and the Sakura-chan who was preserved within the separated time... / Both of them possessed an incredible amount of magical power... for that to be merged into one...!
FeiWong: I gathered souls and encased them in constructed bodies, but all that I achieved was failed creations... // But now...

7
FeiWong: A body engraved with dimensions... // A magical power stored through the ages at the water's bed... // And the true being with the capacity to inherit both... // I have them all!

8-9
FeiWong: Clow once made the attempt... / ...but he did not succeed... / You who had your being, time and all, severed away just like that Princess... // You who were severed even from all worlds!
[TN: DISCLAIMER: If I've misinterpreted the text on this page, it's because FEI WONG BREAKS MY BRAIN.]

10
FeiWong: Witch of Dimensions!!
Mokona: Yuuko?!

11
[no text just yuuko]

12
Mokona: Sakura's light... // It's vanishing!!

13
Syaoran/Kurogane/Fai: !!

14-15
FeiWong: You will not interfere!

16-17
FeiWong: The dream that you could not fulfil! // I will now fulfil it with my own two hands! / Clow!!

18-19
Syaoran: SAKURA!!!
Yuuko: No. // That dream... // ...is one that nobody can fulfil.

20
[Insert text: A single sheet of glass; how will it divide their destinies?!]
[Bottom text: Next issue, Tsubasa will be taking a break so that the authors can collect data. It will be back in Issue 16!]

Have you shown your appreciatio

[Ren-san]

The chapter is already up on OneManga already, Zahraa123.

But thanks for the RAWS. It will help me further improve my Japanese.

[station to station]

Well, we at least know that this whole trip started with an incomplete wish left behind by Clow Reed, Yuuko, and Fei Wong Reed. We still don't know what happened at the end, since it was foretold that Clow Reed had a change of heart at the end. Or at least that is how I remember reading it a while back.

I wonder why Yuuko made such a wish in the first place?

What are you talking about that Yuuko made this wish?
It shows that Clow TRIED to fulfill his wish, but never could, and FWR is
just following in his footsteps, trying to achieve the dream Clow never could.
Yuuko was/is just another person trapped in between time and worlds just
like Sakura was. She's involved yes, but it's not her wish, it's Clow's and FWR's.

[sabbyjiang]

when is the next one coming out?

[Zahraa123]

Clamp is taking another break so i'm not sure.

[Azamiko]

I really don't believe that they're doing research. >_> That's just an excuse for a vacation! Xb They should FORCE them to work!! Mwahahah!!

Seriously, though, I liked this chapter. *dances* Things are finally coming together!! It did look to me like CWR was trying to bring Yuuko back...I say he had a crush on her when she was working with Clow, and since Clow couldn't save her from death, CWR did the whole stop-time thing on her and has been trying to bring her back. (But at this point, she wants to die.)

That's probably wrong, but it fits what we know so far. *waits for new info*

[Ren-san]

So FWR or Clow Reed, put Yuuko into the situation that she is currently?

I just need this question to be answered, since I can't seem to focus on how Yuuko ended up in the situation she is currently in.

[Azamiko]

I didn't see any implication that they were the cause of it in any way. I assumed that it was some sort of natural death...

[Lone_ant]

Haha!!! *dances merrily* I did the unthinkable!! I actually second guessed CLAMP w000t

Ok, now I'm going to see if I really do have the gift:

So, why does Fei Wong Reed go to such great lengths to revive Yuuko? And what's this about Clow's dream that was ne'ver completed until now? Want to know my answers? Read on.

The reason FWR has commited all these sins against everyone and even the multiverse itself is simply because he loves his mother too much. Yes, you weren't hallucinating when you read that last sentence, so stop blinking and close your moth. FWR is Yuuko and Clow's son (just to pound my theory into your head, you unbeliever you) See, Clow attempted to avert Yuuko's death but didn't succed completly, he only managed to reject Yuuko's entry to the Dead's Dimension by having the entire multiverse reject her. So FWR completes it by doing this extremely convulated plan to get the ingredients to decisively revive Yuuko.

There you have it. I can't believe it myself O.o

[Zahraa123]

That is an incredibly interesting and credible theory. I for one wouldn't rule it out- it's all too possible.
It does sound likely as well...Makes perfect sense.

[tigglet]

yuuko beautiful.... FW butt chin.... they just don't look related. but i think it is possible. some family connection could explain the similar powers and strong wishes of each. nice thought.

[Pirogoeth]

Ah ... it's so suspenseful ... it really holds the readers attention ^_^ ... although I think that the chapters are really short, although it fits perfectly XD so no problems there.

Yuuko's right. Once someone is gone from this world ... they wont come back, Fei Wong's dream is one that no-one could ever fulfill in theirs or anyone else life-time ... you cannot reverse it ...

[Azamiko]

=D How very disturbing, Lone!

[Zahraa123]

Likely though! It's a possibility, Though i agree- Yuuko is beautiful where as FWR is a car crash sorted into a face.

[Ryo-Chan]

wait..Clow = acid tokyo rite?
so does the RESERVoir in TRC means the pool of water under the government building?

[tomoyo_chan]

i think so ryo-chan...

wow, i'd never thought that yuuko would be butt chin's mother..... but really, that's a great theory..... could be possible........ but one question..!!! so, does this mean that syaoran could never save sakura...??

[Ren-san]

So what happened to Clow, Lone_ant?

so, does this mean that syaoran could never save sakura...??

Who knows at this point in the story.

[ggctuk]

All we know is that the tube scene is coming for real.

[Lone_ant]

He died, perhaps because at the final moment he hesitated.. lethally, Clow was never evil I think so he balked at the necessary consequences of his actions.

And yes, Clow Country is the future of Acid Tokyo

And what's the tube scene... All I can remember are vauge snatches where there's two sakuras on both ends.. but I thought that scene was fulfilled during the Nihon-Dream Dimension story.. Er, can you guys clarify what exactly that tube is, I was under the impression that it contained the Dream Dimension?

[crisshinn]

Err.. it's been a while since I last read the latest chapters and I'm kind of getting confused now :>.<: Tsubasa's definitely the most complicated manga I've ever read with all it's complex plots and twist.

So I have some few questions so please bear with me :P

1. The little Sakura was the original one right? So the Big Sakura was the fake one? I thought the big Sakura died when the fake Syaoran stabbed him?

2. What is it with the dreams Clow wasn't able to fulfil? You know the part in chapter 215 where Yuuko suddenly showed up and says "that dream is something no one can fulfil" or something like that. What did she mean by that anyway?

[Zahraa123]

1) The little sakura was the real one, trapped in her 7 year old body in frozen time. The bigger one yes was the clone. The "big" Sakura's SOUL died in the battle between the Syaorans. If you re-read Infinity, Celes and especially Nihon you will see that the body and the soul were in seperate places.

2) I guess she just meant that FWR's dream won't work and you can't do it...
Instructions in the title so to speak.

[Lone_ant]

1) Go read my Sakura shenanigans synopsis at page 10 first of my posts of this thread that should clarify that :)

2) Go read the next pages for the theories/speculations, for now, we need the next chapter to decisively answer that question.

Lol ninj'd by Zahraa, but what he said was right so there..

[Zahraa123]

Ninj'd? What does that mean? :P

[Lone_ant]

getting someone else reply first to the post you were replying on :)

So, when is the next xxxHolic update, I imagine Holic's gonna end first.. or would it be simultanaous?

[Zahraa123]

Ahh!

03/09 - Young Magazine #15 - Chapter 175. (This is XXXHolic we're talking about)
I always thought Holic would end later simply because i see no ending for it at the mo' And because the chapter releases are always so far apart.
I find it hard to imagine they end at the same time.

[Lone_ant]

Wait! There's something that I forgot to take into account:

Clow's machinations in CCS (whose story is pretty hazy in my memory)...
Well since Clow is probably powerful enough to travel dimensions (read time) to doesn't fatally undermine my theory, but it's pretty amazing how far he planned ahead O_O
Well since he can travel time and dreamseer, I guess this is a moot point.

[Tsuki]

so does the RESERVoir in TRC means the pool of water under the government building?

And why is only 'resev' in capitals? reffering to 'reserved time' maybe?:)
This is a twsit I would never have imagened, that Yuuko is the same as Sakura. A victim separeted from time and from dimensions...

[GrantoroftheWishes]

...Mother and Child...

Yet something must be taken into account. WHY was Clow CSakura's father? You see it in the CSakura's memories when she does get them back. It doesn't add up, unless Clow had planned that out which adds a whole new WTF bar to the WTF Meter.

I'm not sure on that though it is probable.

...The Sheet of Glass...

The ending might have been the beginning. Read chapter one (YES THE FIRST CHAPTER) That was changed later on (don't remember which chapter but Sakura whichever one escaped it) In the first chapter for those that don't remember:

Sakura and Syaoron are in this tube like thing separately by glass. They move in synch for a moment and than Syaoron beats at the "barrier" with his fist in vain. Sakura (at this point I'm not sure which it was) seems very saddened and suddenly grows wings of light (that look like the Death Mark Seal Wings I wonder if this was intentional).

In later chapters, it shows the Tube and Yuuko holds it up and it seems as if light/dust is leaving the side of which Sakura might have been on (it's hard to tell with something that looks the same on both sides)

This is just a reminder of everything, that's all.

Yuuko rocks... but poor Mokona... She looks so sad... *huggles the Mokona*

[ggctuk]

I stand by my theory that TRC "Clow" is Eriol. It would make more sense in my view.

[Ren-san]

...Mother and Child...

Yet something must be taken into account. WHY was Clow CSakura's father? You see it in the CSakura's memories when she does get them back. It doesn't add up, unless Clow had planned that out which adds a whole new WTF bar to the WTF Meter.

That wasn't Clow Reed who was in Clone Sakura's memories. That was just a look alike of Clow Reed. Remember that in every dimension, their are people who look like the same people from other dimensions, but are completely separate people in their entirety.

For instance, Fei Wong Reed, has also mentioned that Watanuki looked like the younger version of Clow Reed. So if Watanuki were to grow up and look like Clow Reed in his dimension then would that make Watanuki, Clow Reed?

Of course not.

Kurogane went through this same ordeal already as well, with Princess Tomoyo. Remember in the first world they visited after Yuuko's shop. Wasn't Princess Tomoyo a ordinary high school girl?

In another dimension, she was head of a huge company in Piffle World. So on and so on.

[station to station]

Ah, I'm so behind! So these are my thoughts:

1] So it seems Yuuko, like Sakura, is trapped within a separate time/dimension.
And this makes me smile all the more because it seems CLAMP had already hinted
at it before, when she meets the TRC group: Remember it was raining and the
rain never landed upon her? Later on in TRC, Fai makes a remark on how Yuuko
must've known about his curse and that's why she sealed herself in a separate
dimension? Well, yes she knew, but she didn't deliberately do this, she was
already in that time/dimension, the whole time, Fai's curse or not. It's actually
quite funny how such small details can hint at such big things without us realizing it.

2] As for the the whole Clow as being Sakura's father in the altered Clow
Kingdom time: It might be Eriol, not the CSS Eriol, but an alternate Eriol.

3] Have you guys forgotten how we don't even know the REAL NAMES of the
main characters?!": Sakura, Syaron, Yuuko, and Watanuki aren't their real names
and when those are revealed, I'm betting on a world of pain that awaits FWR.
Remember how Yuuko once remarked to Watanuki on xxxHolic how names
are important and how once someone knows your name, they are able to
manipulate your life and destiny? Well, this small tidbit might be the very
undoing of FWR's plans.

[Lone_ant]

But how exactly? I mean.. unless RSyaoran's real name was Eriol or something *gags* I don't see how an alias would affect FWR's plans.

The things that most concretely could have a bearing on these events are:
1) The Last Feather in Black Mokona's Earing I picture a FWR epic phail moment here lolz or perhaps not if he only needs the "Physical Memories" and the feathers are just a bonus.
2) The Tube.
3) Doumeki's egg.

[Eger-kun]

hmm well it was also emphazises in holic that giving your real name is a no no for most people who knows the inner world though in more serious perspective seeing that thing making FWR plans into utmost failure is kinda so so

and for the recent chapter >_< omg I am still upset that Yuuko has to leave Watanuki >_<

[Alice_Twistland]

That wasn't Clow Reed who was in Clone Sakura's memories. That was just a look alike of Clow Reed. Remember that in every dimension, their are people who look like the same people from other dimensions, but are completely separate people in their entirety.

Forgive me if it has been discussed earliar, but has there been an explanation as to why Sakura is seeing Clow Reed in her memories rather than Fujitaka and Nadeshiko?

I don't know if I would be okay with RClow being Eriol, Eriol hasn't been mentioned anywhere in TRC to date, so it would be kind of random if he just appeared.

[StefanNL]

Kurogane went through this same ordeal already as well, with Princess Tomoyo. Remember in the first world they visited after Yuuko's shop. Wasn't Princess Tomoyo a ordinary high school girl?

That's anime only. The first time they meet Tomoyo in any form is in Piffle if you follow the manga.

Forgive me if it has been discussed earliar, but has there been an explanation as to why Sakura is seeing Clow Reed in her memories rather than Fujitaka and Nadeshiko?

As far as I know there is not a set explanation, but the following can be said. When Syaoran had made his wish to revert time he was told that it would effect every one who knew of the seal of Death on Sakura and asked if he really wanted to go through with it. Aside from Syaoran that would be Fujitake and Nadeshiko. And well, we all know what his answer was, so I'd assume the fact that Sakura's parents were replaced with Clow Reed has something to do with that at least. And, Clone Sakura's memories are not the same as the real Sakura's. After all, they may have lived in similar worlds, but several circumstances were different. Clone Sakura knows no better than living in a world with Clow Reed as her father.

[Vande]

11/03 - Shonen Magazine #15 - No Tsubasa
18/03 - Shonen Magazine #16 - Chapter 216

[station to station]

But how exactly? I mean.. unless RSyaoran's real name was Eriol or something *gags* I don't see how an alias would affect FWR's plans.

The things that most concretely could have a bearing on these events are:
1) The Last Feather in Black Mokona's Earing I picture a FWR epic phail moment here lolz or perhaps not if he only needs the "Physical Memories" and the feathers are just a bonus.
2) The Tube.
3) Doumeki's egg.

Well, it seems to me FWR has been able to "manipulate" or "foresee" the actions
of those involved by knowing their "names". So far, he's been right on target for
the most part, but in the end, he might have miscalculations about what's to
happen and the characters whose real names aren't shown will surprise him by
doing something he hadn't foreseen before, spoiling his plans.

But I agree with you there on those three points that have potential to have an
impact on FWR. Although you could say Doumeki's egg doesn't count much, sort of,
considering it's meant to be used when Watanuki needs protection or something
like that.

hmm well it was also emphazises in holic that giving your real name is a no no for most people who knows the inner world though in more serious perspective seeing that thing making FWR plans into utmost failure is kinda so so

I can sort of make out what you're trying to say here...

[Vande]

FWR does not know Watanuki's name. (Think back to when he gave Yuko his name and she said about how an enemy can do things by knowing a person's name and date of birth)

[BethhyTheMokona]

:'[ Yuuko!! Sakura!!

Reminding everyone that Tsubasa Shunraiki OVA #1 will be out on the 17th March.
Perhaps it could shed a light on why there was a surprise apperance on Tokyo Revelations #3.

[station to station]

FWR does not know Watanuki's name. (Think back to when he gave Yuko his name and she said about how an enemy can do things by knowing a person's name and date of birth)

Yes, I know that, his name is the reason FWR hasn't found him yet.
But I was mostly talking about Sakura, Syaron, and Yuuko.

[ggctuk]

How do you account for Clow knowing everything about Sakura and Syaoran (both real, and clone, it seems), and having the same magic circle as CCS Clow? There's no way Clow could just 'appear' into existence, even via distortion. And he was the one who taught Yukito to travel dimensions, so it would follow that Clow had done it, no?

[Zahraa123]

Well that's true...Makes sense after all.

[station to station]

How do you account for Clow knowing everything about Sakura and Syaoran (both real, and clone, it seems), and having the same magic circle as CCS Clow? There's no way Clow could just 'appear' into existence, even via distortion. And he was the one who taught Yukito to travel dimensions, so it would follow that Clow had done it, no?

I can't quite follow what you're trying to say here, explain it a bit better.

[ggctuk]

It's shown Clow in Clow Country knows all about where Sakura and Syaoran's destinies are headed. It's also shown he uses CCS Clow's magic circle, and it was explained that he taught Yukito to travel worlds. Now, CCS Clow is long dead, but CCS Eriol reincarnated with all of Clow's power and memories, and even though he had split it, he would still have the power to travel dimensions, hence explaining why he doesn't move from Clow Country. So I am saying that CCS Eriol and TRC Clow are the same person. It makes a lot more sense than "Clow just happened to appear".

[Tsuki]

You have a good point there. I was thinking about something similar recently too

[BethhyTheMokona]

And the fact that TRC Clow had tried to revive someone in the past as well, so he could have tried to revive CCS Clow.

But for what reason, I wonder...

[Azamiko]

Betthy, your sig makes me kinda dizzy...

[ggctuk]

Yeah, I would be wondering why TRC Clow would want to bring his own past self back. He's just a body and soul, he transferred his power and memories to other people.

[Lone_ant]

But he didn't try to revive himself, he tried reviving Yuuko.. I think at least that was pretty clear with these latest chapters... I think.

[Ren-san]

It's shown Clow in Clow Country knows all about where Sakura and Syaoran's destinies are headed. It's also shown he uses CCS Clow's magic circle, and it was explained that he taught Yukito to travel worlds. Now, CCS Clow is long dead, but CCS Eriol reincarnated with all of Clow's power and memories, and even though he had split it, he would still have the power to travel dimensions, hence explaining why he doesn't move from Clow Country. So I am saying that CCS Eriol and TRC Clow are the same person. It makes a lot more sense than "Clow just happened to appear".

Here is an answer to those questions.

Who was the person that planned all of these events to happen?

Who killed Kurogane's mother and let his country get destroyed, so that he would be able to meet Princess Tomoyo?

Who made a deal with Fai (Yuui) to revive someone precious?

Who almost made a deal with the Real Syaoran when he wanted to save the Real Sakura?

Was it not Fei Wong Reed, who did all of those things?

Remember that the Clow that Clone Syaoran and Clone Sakura were in, was a Clow that was created after the wish that the Real Syaoran had made in order to save the Real Sakura. So everything in the Clow that Clone Syaoran and Clone Sakura were in was manipulated by, Fei Wong Reed, in order to make sure that everyone would go on the journey to get Sakura's feathers.

Because Princess Sakura body had the power to remember different times and dimensions which, Fei Wong Reed, needed, in order to make sure that she and Clone Syaoran would go on the planned journey together.

Hence, the reason as to why the Clow Reed, in Clone Sakura's memories knew of everything. Fei Wong Reed, was just stringing them along and making sure that all of them had the will to go on this planned journey together. Otherwise, his wish to revive someone precious to him, would not have been able to be fulfilled.

[station to station]

Remember that the Clow that Clone Syaoran and Clone Sakura were in, was a Clow that was created after the wish that the Real Syaoran had made in order to save the Real Sakura. So everything in the Clow that Clone Syaoran and Clone Sakura were in was manipulated by, Fei Wong Reed, in order to make sure that everyone would go on the journey to get Sakura's feathers.

Hence, the reason as to why the Clow Reed, in Clone Sakura's memories knew of everything. Fei Wong Reed, was just stringing them along and making sure that all of them had the will to go on this planned journey together. Otherwise, his wish to revive someone precious to him, would not have been able to be fulfilled.

I have to agree with you here. I think some people may be wishing the TRC Clow
might be Eriol just because they want it to be. In my opinion, the Clow who was
king after Syaoran's wish, might just be one of FWR's clones after all, or he might
have just popped out of "nowhere", like someone said. What people don't
seem to understand is that history itself changed with Syaoran's wish, which
explains why Fujitaka isn't king and Nadeshiko died early, and why Watanuki
even exists.

So I'm sticking with the theory that TRC Clow ISN'T Eriol.

[Lone_ant]

But he is a Clow nevertheless, he was able to talk to RSyaoran through the right(or was that left?) eye. A FWR clone wouldn't do that, so I think he is the real deal in so far as an alternate version of someone could be that someone.. in that sense he is kind of a "reincarnation" and in that sense he IS Eriol, just not the CCS Eriol.

[GrantoroftheWishes]

Okay so if it isn't RClow, than how in one of Sakura's memories did he walk up to CSakura and talk directly to her? That doesn't seem like something FWR would want to do. Unless Clamp did it on purpose to make us think this...*shakes fist at Clamp* I didn't mean to open a can of worms with this but I"m glad I did.

As for the Egg of Domeki's. Didn't Yuuko say it's for the Day to Come? If it's not here now in the manga than when is it? Who knows on that one but Clamp.

As for the names, I don't think the names will change, that'd be rather stupid and illogical from a writing stand-point. But who knows.

[GrantoroftheWishes]

Sorry for the double post again but... Ninj'd by Lone!!! AGAIN!!!

[Ren-san]

I went to the bookstore today and read a book containing questions and answers for TRC. And one of the questions had a perfectly logical answer to this question.

The answer that the book gave, was that their is a system in a Japan in which mangaka's use when their story has various characters from other series. It pretty much stated that this system came into play when the God of Manga started to use characters from some of his other series in different series.

It pretty much said that the writers with various characters from other series, would use some of those same characters in a completely new series, but their roles from each of the series that they were used in would be different.

Some of the examples as you all already know, if you read Card Captor Sakura, are shown in the series. And seeing as how pretty much everyone here has made comparisons between the 2 series, you know of some of these comparisons.

I will have to make a copy of the page in that book in 12 hours, since it is 10:30 U.S. Eastern Standard Time, where I am at.

By the way, the nickname for this system that was set into play, was called the star system.

Over the course of his career, the mangaka Osamu Tezuka reused the same characters in different roles in different stories. The way that Tezuka used the characters in his "star system" can be see as somewhat analoguous to a film director frequently casting members of a regular "stable" of actors in different roles. For instance, the "actor" Shunsaku Ban or Shunsuke Ban, who played the detective in Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis, also played Astro Boy's teacher in Astro Boy. Tezuka jokingly made a list of how much they were paid and based them on famous western actors in his time.
Due to the fact that numerous kanji all have the same pronunciations in Japanese, characters' names are usually phonetically identical but written with different kanji from story to story.


Here is a link to Wiki describing the use of the star system. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osamu_Tezuka's_Star_System)

[Lone_ant]

Yes, but it's also quite clear that the relationship between TRC and CCS is closer to "sequel" than just a reuse of chars.

:lol: Granter

[Ren-san]

That has more to do with the creators of the series themselves, Lone_ant. Everyone has their own style of writing stories. But hey, that is what makes this story all that more interesting to read when it comes out, right?

I just found the whole "star system" technique interesting, since I never knew that such a system existed before. It would explain a bit as to why I see so many series having cross overs with other various other series, that other mangaka's wrote in the past. I just never knew that their was an official system that people used. I always assumed that this was nothing more than a way for some people to drag out a story so that it wouldn't end.

** Laughs at how much more I have to learn about throughout life. **

[Lone_ant]

Ah your talking about the way people write right?

Well just to clraify, the Star System is a justification by Tezuka-sensei on why some of his chars on other series look like his chars on other series. I.e. Star = Actor/Actress, and these Actors play different roles in his different mangas.

Cross-over are the Chars themselves appearing in other series. So CCS chars in TRC are cross-over. While Monster Johan and 20th Century 1st "Friend" Fujitaka(was that the name?) are Star System

[Azamiko]

Interesting...

[Ren-san]

@ Lone_ant:

Thanks for the clarification of things. It is just that my mind, is now wanting to learn more about the origins of manga and anime, then it was yesterday.

Okay so if it isn't RClow, than how in one of Sakura's memories did he walk up to CSakura and talk directly to her?

When was this event again?


Okay, lets assume that the Clow Reed in Clone Sakura's and Clone Syaoran's world is the true Clow Reed. I want you to then explain to me why, Fei Wong Reed, himself, wouldn't have taken action against such a dangerous opponent?

The one person in this series that is stated to have more power than Fei Wong Reed and Yuuko, is Clow Reed himself. So if that was the original Clow Reed, then why wasn't, Fei Wong Reed, feeling insecure about his plans?

How could, Fei Wong Reed, not have said something about that being the original Clow Reed?

I am sure that Yuuko and Fei Wong Reed, have met the original Clow Reed, since Fei Wong Reed seems to talk about Clow Reed in such a way that it implies that he knew him on a personal level.

[Ryo-Chan]

sigh..you guys are making ryo-chan more than confuse... >.<

[station to station]

I thought everyone knew about the Star System. :/
But only part of the series can be interpreted as using the Star System.
It's been pretty much stated that xxxHolic is set in the same world as CCS,
except quite a couple of years ahead. By CLAMP's words, these two series
are meant to be seen as separate stories, but also PART OF the mythos that
they've created with CCS and their other works.

Okay so if it isn't RClow, than how in one of Sakura's memories did he walk up to CSakura and talk directly to her? That doesn't seem like something FWR would want to do. Unless Clamp did it on purpose to make us think this...*shakes fist at Clamp* I didn't mean to open a can of worms with this but I"m glad I did.

As for the Egg of Domeki's. Didn't Yuuko say it's for the Day to Come? If it's not here now in the manga than when is it? Who knows on that one but Clamp.

As for the names, I don't think the names will change, that'd be rather stupid and illogical from a writing stand-point. But who knows.

Well, this "Clow" was just a part of CSakura's family, her father, so it would
be natural that he would talk to her. He might've been a pawn of FWR yes,
but that doesn't mean FWR wouldn't "allow" such a thing. Note that FWR
manipulates people's actions to his convenience, not the people themselves.

As for the egg, I think it's been pretty much stated by Yuuko that the Day to
Come was near, which anyone could pretty much guess it means the final fight
against FWR and his wish. And for the names, it's been stated, again, that
these aren't their real names. These characters have hid their real names for
a reason and we'll learn why soon I suppose.

Edit: I sound like an ***, yes. :(

[ggctuk]

It's said in xxxHolic that both Yuuko and Clow were held back by the "Rules of interference". So Fei Wong would have nothing to worry about (hence why he doesn't have doubts when he confronts Yuuko). And I'm still going to stick by my theory. Nobody comes into existence already knowing all the answers. Clow could have been powerful enough in his first life for there to be only one of him.

[AMTP]

uhm, can anyone explain to me what happened here? does it mean Clow created Yuuko before he died? and the time when he talked to clone Sak is real or not? and why real Sak father is not Clow?

[ggctuk]

No, Yuuko had her time and being severed from all reality, possibly as a consequence of a wish she made. That might also explain why she can only grant wishes, not do things spontaneously. But I still have doubts that she is the one FWR wants to revive.

[Ren-san]

I wouldn't be surprised if, Fei Wong Reed, had more to this plan that what has been revealed now. His character just seems too greedy at times, but that is what I like about his character the most.

Fei Wong Reed, has to be bound by those same rules as Yuuko and Clow were. The main difference that separates him from the rest of the group, is the fact that he doesn't care all that much about breaking the "Rules of Interference." As long as he gets what he wants in the end.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Betthy, your sig makes me kinda dizzy...

:'D Haha!

I'm torn by so many theories because they are possibilities. T__T
And it strikes me who FWR wants to revive. If he's going to revive a character that we have seen only a few times, I will be pissed. I'm still pissed by Syaoran's death caused by Dr. Kyle!

[Alice_Twistland]

CAn we keep xxxHolic things NOT mentioned in TRC out of this thread, pretty please? I'm not caught up in xxxHolic AT ALL and I'd hate for there to be spoilers said here when I came here to read about TRC, not necessarily things happening solely in xxxHolic n_n

[Zahraa123]

:'D Haha!

I'm torn by so many theories because they are possibilities. T__T
And it strikes me who FWR wants to revive. If he's going to revive a character that we have seen only a few times, I will be pissed. I'm still pissed by Syaoran's death caused by Dr. Kyle!

Agreed! I just read Chapter 209 and 210 and weep!!! He didn't deserve to die, let alone at the hands of such an insignificant piece of... *seethes*
Glad Kurogane killed him :D But just re-reading the chapters makes me sad..Especially the earlier ones.

[Tekkaman Saber]

He's right take the xxxholic events to the xxxholic thread.

[Vande]

*Vande wonders what happened to MangaHelpers...wants new TRC chapter*

[Zahraa123]

*Wonders as well*

All three of my usual sources have come up with nothing--Even the release dates haven't been obtained which is annoying me immensly. I guess we should all estimate it to be released the 16th or so but still..

[thefolenangel]

215 from FH ~ http://franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8571

[Taya-chan]

You can find it now on onemanga.com too

[Vande]

I posted release dates a bit further back :p

Next chapter raw release due 18th March as no TRC in the next issue.

[Zahraa123]

Lol :P Sorry haven't been around that too much until recently. Thanks very much!

[station to station]

CAn we keep xxxHolic things NOT mentioned in TRC out of this thread, pretty please? I'm not caught up in xxxHolic AT ALL and I'd hate for there to be spoilers said here when I came here to read about TRC, not necessarily things happening solely in xxxHolic n_n

Well that'd pretty much be impossible because both series are deeply intertwined
and what happens in one series has some effect on the other. To really know
what's going on, you'd have to read both series.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Let's just try and steer the conversation mainly into TRC, if we can.
Like how good Sakura and Syaoran look together? :'>

And I'm getting a seriously huge motion that the first few pages in chapter one will appear in the next issue since the last pages of 215 were showing the tube shining.
Or something along the lines.

...I wish the chapter came sooner. :'<

[ggctuk]

Don't we all?

[Ren-san]

You maybe right, BetthyTheMokona.

That would be interesting on how Clamp are going to explain that idea in the upcoming chapters.

[station to station]

Let's just try and steer the conversation mainly into TRC, if we can.

...I wish the chapter came sooner. :'<

Yeah, let's mainly keep to TRC but sometimes you can't help it...


When are the next chapters coming out? It's been a week already?
Damn you CLAMP. I bet this "research" of theirs involves a lot of sun,
sand, and sunblock lotion. :/

[Alice_Twistland]

Well that'd pretty much be impossible because both series are deeply intertwined
and what happens in one series has some effect on the other. To really know
what's going on, you'd have to read both series.

It's not entirely impossible to NOT talk about things solely mentioned in Holic, or at least add spoiler tags in appropriate places.

And it's mentioned on every graphic novel that you aren't required to read BOTH to understand what's going on in ONE of them.

--

On another note, I've been thinking about it and there aren't many characters mentioned in the second season of CCS that are mentioned in TRC, so I really doubt that TRC-Clow is CCS-Eriol. We're really only seeing people exceptionally close to Sakura and Syaoran.

As cool as Eriol was, I don't think he'll make much of an appearance.

[lost_feather]

Agreed! I just read Chapter 209 and 210 and weep!!! He didn't deserve to die, let alone at the hands of such an insignificant piece of... *seethes*
Glad Kurogane killed him :D But just re-reading the chapters makes me sad..Especially the earlier ones.

... *supports Kyle* I don't know why I should actually, since he did kill Syaoran, which should make me mad, but... I'm actually just sad that he died. I wonder why...

Oh well, now Xing Huo and Kyle can be friends in the death dimension. (Death dimension... that sounds less happy than it should...)

[Vande]

Only 8 days to go lol.

[Zahraa123]

-sigh- ONLY. Feels like ages... Lol, if you just have a go at drawing alot under a specific time limit you will come to understand the complexity and stress of Clamps job.

[Killak]

Caught the newest TRC very late... looks like I was right... Another being that was seperated from time and space and frozen. It really was Yuuko.

And I agree with Zahrra. The sheer complexity and beauty of CLAMP's artwork has me drooling. Their work requires such a high amount of time and effort that I know their work will be perfect when it comes out. Such a thing needs to occur. When TRC is finished, it will be read again and again by me, that's a fact. Not just because of it's winning Storyline, but because of it's perfect artwork.

[Ren-san]

One can't help but to chat about XXXholic when posting about the recent chapters of TRC. Especially, since Watanuki and Yuuko are major and/or secondary characters in both series. Unless, some one else wants to talk about old topics over and over again, then finding ideas to talk about is the only solution I see here.

And most of the time, it is the same users that actually post in this thread. Since most of the users that post in this thread have read most series, using spoiler tags isn't always necessary. It just gets annoying to do every time in the end.

So what topics does anyone want to discuss that is mainly TRC related.

[Alice_Twistland]

And most of the time, it is the same users that actually post in this thread. Since most of the users that post in this thread have read most series, using spoiler tags isn't always necessary. It just gets annoying to do every time in the end.

Really? Then maybe as a new user I should find somewhere else to chat if people can't censor spoilers properly. It is not impossible not to mention the things happening SOLELY in xxxHolic in a TRC thread.

--

I find it strange that when Syaoran completed his wish Clow Reed became Sakura's father in Clow Country. If it wasn't a manga, I'd had a hard time tossing science out the window x.o;

[Zahraa123]

Yeah your right....XXXholic and Tsubasa are entwined, naturally we would need to talk about them both.

Uhhhh Mainly TRC related topics... Oh yeah how old are Syaoran and Sakura? (ive always wondered as to their exact ages not so much a rough estimate)

[Azamiko]

I've always put them at 15...

[Killak]

We went over this in the last thread...

: P

It's estimated at 16 for the clones, while the real Syaoran is around 21 I think.

[Lone_ant]

21? oh you mean real age i.e soul age, but his body is the same age as the clone. Not to mention that RSakura's soul got stuck in 7 years of age.

Really? Then maybe as a new user I should find somewhere else to chat if people can't censor spoilers properly. It is not impossible not to mention the things happening SOLELY in xxxHolic in a TRC thread.

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I find it strange that when Syaoran completed his wish Clow Reed became Sakura's father in Clow Country. If it wasn't a manga, I'd had a hard time tossing science out the window x.o;

Yeah, sorry about that, well us regulars could still talk in spoiler tags I mean it's not that hard.. though I really recommend that you read xxxHolic, as they "complete" each other to paraphrase the Joker.

As for Clow being CSakura's father, there are many possible ways to explain that:
1) That Clow was an alternate Clow.
2) The Real Clow managed to sneak himself in somehow..
3) Somebody wished that the Real Clow be Sakura's father (maybe the mother, no she doesn't have a clue about what happened?)
4) It was someone else mascarading as Clow
5) It was all just a dream (etc.. etc..)

[Killak]

I simply think that it was the result of Syaoran's wish that made Clow Sakura's father. IT's one of the many things that changed.

That's my opinion.

[CVI]

TRC, hello, is this TRC?

[Killak]

Yes?

[station to station]

I simply think that it was the result of Syaoran's wish that made Clow Sakura's father. IT's one of the many things that changed.

That's my opinion.

Well that's been my guess all along.
Science has nothing to do with this series anyways.

Want a new topic?:
Do you guys think the Mokona which the Mokonas are based upon
is the real Mokona from Cephiro or just an "alternate" version of it?
My guess is that it's the real Mokona... Yeah, this thread has been growing
somewhat stale.

[ggctuk]

So much so that we're going all the way back like that far now?

I think it said it in volume 2 of xxxHolic that it was Mokona of Cephiro. Also, does anybody think that Syaoran's, Fai's and Kurogane's kudan were actually the three mashin gods from Celes?

[Zahraa123]

They are aren't they? Rayearth, Windam and Celes from Magic knight rayearth?

[Killak]

Whoah.... did NOT notice that...

[Zahraa123]

really???
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Hikaru.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Umi.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Fuu1.jpg

Well you know now :)

[Killak]

Now THAT is badass... Know where I can read Rayearth again? It's not on OM.

[Zahraa123]

Of course, right here:
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/137/

[Lone_ant]

I'd like to admit that it always lurked in my subconscious.. but knowledge and therios of how the elements were based on the char's personalities etc.. have made me lose in touch with my subconscious.

So in fact that was a revelation to me too :)

And no, Mokona isn't the real Mokona, it's explicitly stated that they were copies that Clow and Yuuko made of the real one.

[Nightdragon]

heh the problem is that TRC, Card captor sakura, xxxhoilc are pretty much in the same universe, so that its hard not to pull things from all those elements into thoughts. So really its hard not to have all those things. Considering that xxxholic and TRC are very related to eachother at times. xxxhoilc give info about TRC and TRC gives info on xxxhoilc. So you know, as i said its really really hard.

[Zahraa123]

Yes i do believe that has been agreed upon by many people. But i guess it will get very confusing for those who haven't (or are reading) Those manga's. I dunno. You're right TRC, XXXHolic and CCS are all entwined together.

[Vande]

Ahhh the beasts from the first world were from Rayearth!

I'm quite glad i'm reading TRC and Holic together (and read CCS before)

[Taya-chan]

Well, I tried to read Holic, but I really disliked it. I love Tsubasa, but hate Holic, Happily, one of my friends reads it and tells me the important things for TRC that happen in Holic.

[Ereetria Morgan]

I hate Holic, too. (Not as much as I hate KuroFai, though.) I noticed that the kudans were the *tottally forget what they were called* from Magic Knight Rayearth when I read Magic Knight Rayearth.

[Killak]

Of course, right here:
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/137/

Thanks a lot, Zahraa. : D

Appreciate it.

And for those who hate Holic.


HOW?!

[station to station]

^ How can anyone hate xxxHolic?!?!?! :eek:

Personally, I'm feel more of a "connection" with the characters in there, than
I do with the ones in TRC. Hell I even like Black Mokona a tad better than I do
the white one. :/

Also, does anybody think that Syaoran's, Fai's and Kurogane's kudan were actually the three mashin gods from Celes?

I noticed Syaoran's kudan was from MKR, but I didn't notice about the other
two. It's been so long since I watched/read MKR. :/

And no, Mokona isn't the real Mokona, it's explicitly stated that they were copies that Clow and Yuuko made of the real one.

I was asking if anyone thought if the Mokonas in which Larg and Soel are BASED
on is the REAL Mokona, or an alternate one. Ugh.

[Ereetria Morgan]

I find Holic boring. I like the TRC characters more than the holic ones, and I like the way TRC is drawn better. (Even though they look a lot alike.)xxxHolic just doesn't click with me.

[Azamiko]

No?

And I always assumed that Sakura's father was an alternate version, actually...

[ggctuk]

You know what happened to assumptions in TRC... look at those theorists who assumed Syaoran Li from CCS was "Syaoran" himself...

[lost_feather]

I find Holic boring. I like the TRC characters more than the holic ones, and I like the way TRC is drawn better. (Even though they look a lot alike.)xxxHolic just doesn't click with me.

I completely agree. I tried to get into Holic - I really did! (to better understand TRC)- but it just doesn't work for me. The whole plot (and characters) in TRC is far more exciting in my opinion.

(Off topic - Hehe, I love the abridged series!)

[Lone_ant]

Well he was "almost" the one from CCS though. So I'd say that was a pretty accurate assumption the way assumptions generally go :)

@station - well I guess that answer's your question then :p

as for people not liking xxxHolic, well TRC is shonen and xxxHolic is seinen so there really will be people who wouldn't like it as they're even targeted on diffrent demographics (which I think is a cunning ineffable ploy by CLAMP)

[Zahraa123]

I hate Holic, too. (Not as much as I hate KuroFai, though.) I noticed that the kudans were the *tottally forget what they were called* from Magic Knight Rayearth when I read Magic Knight Rayearth.

*looks astounded* how can ANYONE hate Holic and Kurofai???!!!
Yes i must admit that Holic is no where near as exciting, I definately love Tsubasa lot more, but i love the whole concept and the crossovers, and how we can occasionally get a second view of Tsubasa events.

[lost_feather]

*looks astounded* how can ANYONE hate Holic and Kurofai???!!!

I guess we just have to accept that everyone has different opinions, except the fact that we love TRC ;) (I don't hate Holic... I just don't like it as much as Tsubasa, which is, as Lone Ant said, probably because they are very different in demographics/genre. And KuroFai ftw! XD although KuroTomo is fine by me too.)

[Zahraa123]

Strangely i'm a fan of Kurofai and Kurotomo--well at least then i won't get dissapointed either way :P

Yeah i have to agree, with you on that. I also admit to liking Holic much less than Tsubasa.

[Ren-san]

Some people are just more into the action side of things, while their are some people that like close to real life character development a little bit more. I personally like XXXholic more than Tsubasa in a sense.

My favorite character is definitely the Black Mokona. And that is probably the reason as to why I like that series much more than Tsuabasa alone. If only Kurogane could have gotten paired up with the Black Mokona, instead of the white one. Their journey together would have been much more interesting.

Oh well.

[Zahraa123]

How would it have been more interesting? What exactly would have been different?

[Ren-san]

White Mokona acts to pure hearted for my personal taste. Black Mokona seems to be the type of being that goes wild more often, then White Mokona. I just think that Black Mokona suits Kurogane's personality more than White Mokona does.

White Mokona suited the Clone Sakura's personality in my opinion.

[KuroRin]

Mokona is a.... Bunny, I think. And you're right, the black Mokona is more like Kurogane and the white Mokona is more like Sakura, but the Mokonas have their own distinct personalities.

*Walks down the street yelling "KURO-RIIIIINNNN!!!" until Kurogane comes and trys kill me.*

Heh heh... :D What Tsubasa character are you most like, do you think? I think I'm like Fai, or possibly the white Mokona... I'm insane, but I have a serious side too....

You people?

[lost_feather]

Mokona is a.... Bunny, I think. And you're right, the black Mokona is more like Kurogane and the white Mokona is more like Sakura, but the Mokonas have their own distinct personalities.

*Walks down the street yelling "KURO-RIIIIINNNN!!!" until Kurogane comes and trys kill me.*

Heh heh... :D What Tsubasa character are you most like, do you think? I think I'm like Fai, or possibly the white Mokona... I'm insane, but I have a serious side too....

You people?

The same :D Probably more the white Mokona, though, since Fai has a much darker side. Mokona's kind of naive, like me.

[KuroRin]

Oi, yeah! Go us insane people!

*Screams "CARMELLDANSEN!!!" and starts doing the Carmelldansen dance*

[Zahraa123]

Aspects of my personality coincide with Kurogane's. I am in general quite abrasive (Except to people i dont know well) and love general violence. I dont like showing general emotion (Probably due to a rather irritable depressing past.) But im not as wise, and my compassion isnt so well hidden. I'm also normally quite serious, loyal to some people (not many :P) And I can be short tempered at times As well as replying violently to ridiculious nicknames (Honestly Zah-zah is going abit over the top)
Oh and i love black!!!

[KuroRin]

Ah... KURO-TAN!!! *grins*

[lost_feather]

Oi, yeah! Go us insane people!

*Screams "CARMELLDANSEN!!!" and starts doing the Carmelldansen dance*

*starts dancing, trips (in slow-motion) collapses, and sweatdrops in one ungraceful movement.* Yeah, insane people ftw. I guess I'm clumsy like CCS Sakura, though, as just demonstrated.

By the way, when do you think TRC Shunraiki will be subbed?

[Zahraa123]

I'm ridiculously clumsy....I actually broke a record!! I made it three days without smashing into any desks or doors, or tripping over anything or dropping something!!!! Honestly im so proud of myself...
But yeah in short i can be so very clumsy.

[KuroRin]

It's an old joke. I was on a Tsubasa RPG at one point and I played Fai. I tried to use every nickname ever given to Kurogane regularly and it was soooo funny.

[Zahraa123]

Wow someone found the exact no. of times.

Twice: Kuro-rii, Kuro-rinta, Kuro-run, Kuro-ron. (Appearing once) Kuro-chuu, Kuro-cchi, Kuro-pan, Kuro-poppo, Kuro-puu, Kuro-wan-wan, Kuro-mun, Kuro-chi, Kuro-daddy, Kuro-pon, Kuro-pipi, Kuro-tan
Three times: Kuropii, Kuro-rin
Eleven times: Kuro-tan, Daddy
Seventeen times: Kuro-sama

[KuroRin]

Ouch. Now look at THIS:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q157/akpaley/Tsubasa/kurogane_fai.jpg

[lost_feather]

Waa! That is so cool! *Glomps picture and saves it somewhere within the depths of computer*

[KuroRin]

I'll bet Fai will be dead by tomorrow... heh heh...

[Zahraa123]

Ohh i found a coloured one of that a while ago!

http://i39.tinypic.com/25ujv46.jpg

[KuroRin]

OOOH! Even better! Adding it to my photobucket RIGHT NOW!

[lost_feather]

I don't know where you guys find this stuff, but it is really awesome!

Anyway, do you think they'll ever make the Celes and Infinity arcs into OVAs?

[KuroRin]

Hopefully.... with any luck.

[Zahraa123]

I doubt they will...Could they even recreate that level of violence with any sort of reality to it?
Ohh Photobucket, DeviantArt, peoples Livejournals. It takes abit of hunting but it's worth it!

[Ren-san]

They will make the Celes and Nihon kingdom into an OAV. If they were willing to make the Tokyo Arc into an OAV, then I don't really see all that much of a problem in making the other dimensions later on into an OAV. Plus, these are the dimensions in which all of the characters are finally having their true colors being shown and their bonds being tested.

Why wouldn't the anime creators not do such a project?

[Vande]

Both TRC and xxxHolic have qualities i enjoy.

[Killak]

They will make the Celes and Nihon kingdom into an OAV. If they were willing to make the Tokyo Arc into an OAV, then I don't really see all that much of a problem in making the other dimensions later on into an OAV. Plus, these are the dimensions in which all of the characters are finally having their true colors being shown and their bonds being tested.

Why wouldn't the anime creators not do such a project?

Agreed. Along with the Frozen time arc.

[Ereetria Morgan]

Reason I hate KuroFai ----> I love Fai.

I'm probably most like Kurogane (*Goes and hangs self*)

I really hope they make the Celes and Infinity arcs into OVA's? (OAV? What the correct way?) Though I really want to see the Nihon one when it comes out.

[Taya-chan]

@Ereetria Morgan: It's OVA.

Can sombody tell me what the three letters actually mean?

I would relaaly like to see Tsubasa all chapters made into an anime, especially the last ones, because they 're so vague and an anime mostly is more clear.

[Melinda-chan]

Original Video Animation- originally an animation made for video rather than TV.

And yeah I hope they do the other arcs as well. *crosses fingers* I'm going to buy the Tokyo one once it's released in English no matter how much it costs.

[Taya-chan]

the Tokyo one is so cool, but I prefer the japanese one with subs, because it sounds funny!

[KuroRin]

THEY HAVE ONE IN ENGLISH??? Give it here. Now. *Holds up a gun*

[Alice_Twistland]

I was the english dub for the first time the other day.

Keer-oh-guh-nee and SAK-er-rah made me laugh and die all at once.

Bu I don't know, I like the anime but I've always preferred reading over watching most titles. I find the cleaner lines take away from the life of the drawing. But I find that with most rough drawings in animation anyway.

[KuroRin]

WHAT??? THAT WAS THE PRONUNCIATIONS??? Lol... (I watched it on a muted computer)

[Ereetria Morgan]

The voices in the dub killed me. Sakura's voice made me want to kill myself. -_-