[Group]: SOUL SOCIETY

[blacklotus47]

Original thread title = "Soul Society"

Changed this into the official general character discussion thread for the Soul Society. Post all thoughts, theories, speculations, comments and discussions here. –RF

I just thought of something a little strange at least to me. Soul society is waiting for December to take on Aizen and the espada in the material world. This rises two interesting questions in my mind first why would they fight in the material world as I'm not sure it could take the strain of thirteen captains and just as many vice captains fighting with their limiit lifted and ten released espadaand who knows how many of their minions. That in itself doesn't bode well for material world. Secondly they are waiting for the Hougyoku to awaken and the arrancar to be perfected just seems like a bad idea especially when you already know that many of the arrancar can push a captain to use bankai. To me it would make more sense to attack hecdo mundo before Aizen the arrancar are perfected and because it can definatly take the strain of that much spiritual pressure. I know it is probably just a plot device but it still makes n sense to me.

[Manga-Otaku]

You know you could have out this in the Soul Society thread. not just make a while new one.

[Jori]

Putting everything in one thread though can make the thread cluttered. Rather have a "cluttered" board then a cluttered thread, at least having a cluttered board lets you read a thread :P.

Anyways, December is when Aizen can make his move, so they are going to stop him then.

[Manga-Otaku]

Jori the Soul Society thread just opened. It only has two posts...

[blacklotus47]

I took that thread as being why does everyone rebel against soul societies athority, whereas here I was hoping to talk about the interesting failings in judgement that soul society seems to make though they are similar they really have the potential to go off in different directions. I would also like to point out that when I did post on the soul society thread I did respond to the broader topic rather than just a single sentence within the opening of the thread so one of those posts is mine.

[Jori]

Jori the Soul Society thread just opened. It only has two posts...

Ah, well my bad. But still, if every similar thread is directed torwards one thread it becomes like 60 pages long and nobody wants to read that :P.

[Raijuu]

yeah the other thread is called "Soul Society" but the topic is not much about soul society at all..... so i have to agree with them MO :D.... and well we could just make a thread about all related to sould society or something....

[blacklotus47]

Ah, well my bad. But still, if every similar thread is directed torwards one thread it becomes like 60 pages long and nobody wants to read that :P.

I really agree stuff like this happens in longer threads and it get's the thread off topic and makes it hard to respond to the origional idea. So the more major thoughts that are put into a single thread increase the difficulty to find a good way to respond and not simply repeat what other people have said. Now that I've said that does any one have any thoughts or ideas about the ineresting failings in logic that soul society tends to make either in this or any other arc?

[Manga-Otaku]

Yes we know. But we will control the limit. People don't just leave them until they get to 100 pages eh?

[Omi]

does aizen need to go through SS to get to the king or can he go directly from the material world to the king? and fighting Aizen in HM would be a bad idea cuz he's on his turf and he knows how shinigamis work so he could easily dispatch them but in the material SS has the upper hand because of the presence of ppl like urahara and hitsugaya's and ichigo's knowledge of the real world. plus i think they're kind of counting on the vizards to jump in and help ichigo out thus helping SS

[blacklotus47]

He needs to go to the material world to make the kings key. Because he need I think it was a mile or so of soul rich territory. Yes Hecdo Mundo might be Aizens turf but it seems like it would still be be better if he didn't have perfected Arrancar as they even more difficult for the Shinigami to deal with. The other thing Aizen has done missions in the real world so he knows how Shinigami function there so it doesn't seem like it would be all that much of an advantage. Not knowing what the vizards goals are means we can't assume that they are going to come to the aid of soul society. I don't know I still dn't see it as being a good stratigic plan.

[Jori]

If they went after Aizen in Hueco Mundo, they would be at such a huge disadvantage...

[blacklotus47]

But how much of an advantage do they gain from being in the material world... plus think about the damage to the souls of the living that potentially be destroyed durring the duration of the conflict. So is it reallly worth it. To take that kind or risk for potentially no gain?

[Jori]

They have this.

Put themselves at a disadvantage and fight Aizen in Hueco Mundo

Fight in the Real World, cause damage, but in a fair playing ground

Do nothing, and have all Karakura destroyed.

Logic would tell you fight on fair playing ground to have a better chance of victory.

If they lose a fight in Hueco Mundo, then their loss there would likely be death because its Aizen's playground.

If they lose a fight in the Real World there is a possibillity of rescue by others, Las Noches is big and confusing, the Shinigami wouldnt know what to do. This isnt just one on one captain and Espada duels, this is the entire Gotei 13 fighting.

The damage from fighting in Karakura is alot less than Karakura being wiped off the map.

[blacklotus47]

I see your point but you have forgotten two important details one if they wait to fight in the real world Aizen has better perfected the Arrancar so once again they are at a disatvantage and two Aizen has an "army" of menos that is easier to avoid in Las Noches but need to have their powers dealt with faster than normal shinigami can deal with them. Since most of the seated officers are going to be needed to deal with the other arrancar that come with the espada.

[Jori]

Menos are nothing really.. Ichigo managed to injure one while he was crappy, and rukia who would be a seated officer defeated an arrancar of a Gillian... And in the anime (though this may not be the case) Ikkaku dispatched a Gillian easily. They are big, slow, and stupid.

Besides, Zaraki is going to be there. haha.

Anyways, they would be screwed if they were in Las Noches. It would be like Frodo going up to Morder and being like "lol open the gate".

[tsunade666]

but gillian is strong hollow though pretty dumb and slow MAX!
a normal shinigami will be having bad time against them and I still think that the winter battle will be in the normal world not in hueco mundo nor in the soul society

[blacklotus47]

I like the Lord of the Rings reference. Everyone you named was at seated officer level.Ichigo even when crappy was probably better around sixth or seventh seat prehaps higher and also D-Roy (I think that was his name was an idiot. I see the side casualties of this battle being such that even if Aizen doesn't make the kings key there will be nothing left of the city. Maybe it's just me wanting to protect my plane of existance but I still don't see this as being for humans.

[Pansori]

Is the discussion where the battlegrounds for the Winter War going to be? Hmm, well if I were to guess... I don't think it's going to be in Los Noches... because like someone said SS would be at a severe disadvantage... it could be in SS, but what reason does Aizen really have to go to SS? I think he's stated as much that his only real interest is in the town. Maybe Aizen and his baddies will launch an invasion on the town, and that will kick off the battle. Or it could be in a variety of places, a major battle in each world.
But if the fight is in Karakura, SS will have to do some major damage control afterwards.

[Jori]

I like the Lord of the Rings reference. Everyone you named was at seated officer level.Ichigo even when crappy was probably better around sixth or seventh seat prehaps higher and also D-Roy (I think that was his name was an idiot. I see the side casualties of this battle being such that even if Aizen doesn't make the kings key there will be nothing left of the city. Maybe it's just me wanting to protect my plane of existance but I still don't see this as being for humans.

No.. He just managed to release all his Reiatsu all at once. His soul slayer had nearly no reaitsu actually pumped into the blade. It was like a giant fluffball to Renji before Ichigo released his powers again.

6th or 7th? Likely not..

Edit: Real world is the only place that makes sense. Soul Society defends, Aizen attacks.

[blacklotus47]

Pansori
It's been stated that the battle is going to take place in the real world whatever chapter Hitsugaya and Matsumoto move the big tvish thing into into Orihime's apartment. What I've been saying is this is a bad idea as they are just going to level the town they are attempting to save. I'm also advocating a premptive or surgical strike to if nothing else regain what was stolen and stop the perfecting of the arrancar.

Jori
Even if it was mostly luck, randomly blasting spirit presure he still managed to beat a second level officer. On that ground alone he's probably in the seated officer range. Think back to when they were in SS and Ishda pwnd a 4th seat with no real effort and Chad took out a 3rd in a single shot. Looking at other companies 3rd and 4th seats Ichigo was probably around 6th or 7th seat because once you pass up second seat there really isn't that much there.

[Jori]

Pansori
It's been stated that the battle is going to take place in the real world whatever chapter Hitsugaya and Matsumoto move the big tvish thing into into Orihime's apartment. What I've been saying is this is a bad idea as they are just going to level the town they are attempting to save. I'm also advocating a premptive or surgical strike to if nothing else regain what was stolen and stop the perfecting of the arrancar.

Jori
Even if it was mostly luck, randomly blasting spirit presure he still managed to beat a second level officer. On that ground alone he's probably in the seated officer range. Think back to when they were in SS and Ishda pwnd a 4th seat with no real effort and Chad took out a 3rd in a single shot. Looking at other companies 3rd and 4th seats Ichigo was probably around 6th or 7th seat because once you pass up second seat there really isn't that much there.

What second level officer?...

Ishida and Chad had been through alot more training at that point, and the people they fought were weak. Ikkaku was much stronger than them.

Also, its the best chance they have. It hasnt even been said that Aizen will have a full scale every hollow attack going on, and a "surgical" strike only works if Aizen didnt have eyes all over Las Noches, to put it figuratively. Even if the city is leveled, its better than Aizen harvesting their souls and using it to get the kings key.

Even if all of Karakura dies, if Aizen doesnt get the key and is killed in the end, its still a victory. With the Kings Key who knows what power Aizen could get.

[tsunade666]

he wants to become god himself what a idiot person

and ishida and chad is still strong to the point they beat up arrangcar

[da_head]

Aizen says soul society is not true heaven, and not even "god" has stepped into true heaven. Which leads me to the first question: who is god in bleach? Is he can actual being or just some mystical force? Whenever they’re doing their spells, they always say creator give me strength blah blah blah. Which leads me to conclude two things: like I said he’s just a mystic entity, or he hasn’t been introduced yet (royal family?)

So now that’s over with, I think aizen brings up a good point. There’s no way soul society is really heaven. Look at it. Why is there a royal family? Distinct wealth divisions (with the shinigami living in a much better place)? People suffering? People dying? Shinigami use “demon” magic? Use of “hell” butterflies?

Well, maybe soul society isn’t the western version of heaven, but rather a Japanese version I may not be aware of?

If not, than wat is soul society? Maybe somewhere like purgatory, or to be extreme another division of hell?? When Ichigo killed that hollow and the soul was banished to hell, I found it odd how calmly rukia watched as the soul was trapped into hell forever for eternal suffering. I mean I no the guy deserved it, but if rukia was an agent of heaven, wouldn’t she suffer? Or at least shed a tear? That only seems logical to me…. If soul society is heaven, shouldn’t houce mondo be hell? But we know that this is not true. So wats up? Your thoughts?

[RhyssaFireheart]

Actually, this should go in the Soul Society discussion thread, since it's talking about the nature of SS itself.

And I don't know if Aizen is rite, but I'm pretty sure he could be right.

Merging threads.

[NamikazeMinato]

i think they are using the real world because urahara kisuke, ichigo's dad, and uryuu's dad are in the real world and they definitely need their help.

[Ichihimefan!!]

But they could easily go to Soul Society. I don't think it would be a big problem for them to come. But if they fight in soul society then they will most likely destroy soul society too...... i wonder where they are going to fight?!

[Back Off]

Wouldn't it be better for Aizen to strike both Real World and SS? The lowly Arrancar can do Earth (a few Espada as leaders) and the rest can go to SS. It's not like they're short of people or something... any Hollow can be sent to Earth anyway, and not everyone in SS (like those in Rukongai) are fighters.

No, I'm supporting SS.

Which is why I think SS should attack instead of defend. But that is rather rash. SS does have other more important roles to play (like keeping the balance... yes, shinigami's duty but still).

If not, than wat is soul society? ... So wats up? Your thoughts?

In our lives, we have Heaven and Hell (if you're a cynic, just bear with this). In Bleach, there are at least three known places - SS, Hueco Mundo, Hell.

SS: When people die, their souls travel around the area (presumably close to where they died) until a shinigami arrives to perform konso on the soul. Then, the soul, complete with its humanoid memory, will be sent to SS. They will reside there like a normal person until it's their time to die as a soul, so that they can be reincarnated as human again.

Hueco Mundo: When people die, their souls travel around the area but should they have misses and longings, they tend to stick to that place. When this happen, their Chain of Fate corrodes until a black hole is formed in the chest. They become Hollows. Hollows reside in Hueco Mundo.

Hell: When someone die, they become souls and will await the shinigami to perform soul burial on them, but only souls which are too tainted can no longer ascend to SS. They will go to Hell. These Hell-residents are different than Hollows because even a saint can be a Hollow if he is not willing to part from the material word. Hell-residents are purely evil.

My thoughts there. What do you think now?

[NamikazeMinato]

But they could easily go to Soul Society. I don't think it would be a big problem for them to come.

I dont think kisuke can go to soul society cuz if u remember in the ss arc he tried to put his hand through the gate going to soul society but it wouldnt let him.

[Back Off]

Urahara can battle fine in the Real World. Besides, it'll be a disgrace for SS to ask help from an exiled man. Also, Aizen doesn't really want to annihilate SS... yet. All he wants to do in winter is to collect that many souls for Hougyoku so he can make a new Key. He didn't say he wants to attack SS - Yamamoto is planning defensive strategies to stop Aizen's crazed plan.

[Raijuu]

I would like to see another division in SS that only the vizards are in there.... like the arrancars in hueco mundo

[ghassassin]

Urahara can battle fine in the Real World. Besides, it'll be a disgrace for SS to ask help from an exiled man. Also, Aizen doesn't really want to annihilate SS... yet. All he wants to do in winter is to collect that many souls for Hougyoku so he can make a new Key. He didn't say he wants to attack SS - Yamamoto is planning defensive strategies to stop Aizen's crazed plan.

Maybe Yamamoto is playing defensive coz as was told that 10 Espadas means end of soul society (am I right? ), so he maybe waiting for the captains to regain strength again. But I wonder why isnt Yamamoto isnt shown in action yet. His earlier fight was interrupted. But Urahara, I dont how long was his exile or was it permanent? But ultimately Urahara will definitely be needed by SS, no matter what. (I want to see his bankai T.T)

[Manga-Dude]

ok ichigo deafed Yatamoto cool, Yatamoto is total bad guy yes she owned wahaha

[ghassassin]

ok ichigo deafed Yatamoto cool, Yatamoto is total bad guy yes she owned wahaha

What are you talking about? You are spamming in every thread. Who the hell is Yatamoto and when did Ichigo defeat him?...And its "HE" not "SHE".

[Manga-Dude]

ok i am so sorry i will not doing this mistake again thanks you ghassassin

[luciferhellblazer]

Are you for Real Manga-Dude ?! Stupid n00b... you've been doing this all over the place...

[Back Off]

All right, if it's spamming why not delete it straightaway?

Maybe Yamamoto is playing defensive coz as was told that 10 Espadas means end of soul society (am I right? ), so he maybe waiting for the captains to regain strength again. But I wonder why isnt Yamamoto isnt shown in action yet. His earlier fight was interrupted. But Urahara, I dont how long was his exile or was it permanent? But ultimately Urahara will definitely be needed by SS, no matter what. (I want to see his bankai T.T)

1. Yes, 10 Espada means "Sayonara, Soul Society". Ah, which reminds me. Aizen said this to Ulquiorra, "Report what you have to your TWENTY siblings here." 20! Who are the other 10?

2. Yamamoto is possibly the strongest combatant and the most experienced one, so it's only logical for him to battle in the most crucial hour (for the dramatic effect, see). He isn't the General for nothing.

3. Urahara's exile... no idea whether it's permanent or not. But, he did say, "I thought so..." when he put his hand in that portal between Real World and SS. It hasn't been lifted yet and it seems that it'll be on for a long, long time since Urahara still expects himself to be barred from SS. If Yamamoto asks help from Urahara, I'll eat my spinach. I mean, Urahara is definitely going to battle for the sake of innocent lives or friends (or whatever else I can't think of) even if SS rejected his assistance. I want to see his bankai too! It must be really powerful and deadly since it cannot be used to "lend power".

[RhyssaFireheart]

All right, if it's spamming why not delete it straightaway?
Because occasionally I like reminders of superiority.

Manga-Dude, this isn't an IM session, create real posts that aren't spits of random thought that make no sense.

[Ransatsu]

Original thread title = "Soul Society"

Changed this into the official general character discussion thread for the Soul Society. Post all thoughts, theories, speculations, comments and discussions here. –RF

I just thought of something a little strange at least to me. Soul society is waiting for December to take on Aizen and the espada in the material world. This rises two interesting questions in my mind first why would they fight in the material world as I'm not sure it could take the strain of thirteen captains and just as many vice captains fighting with their limiit lifted and ten released espadaand who knows how many of their minions. That in itself doesn't bode well for material world. Secondly they are waiting for the Hougyoku to awaken and the arrancar to be perfected just seems like a bad idea especially when you already know that many of the arrancar can push a captain to use bankai. To me it would make more sense to attack hecdo mundo before Aizen the arrancar are perfected and because it can definatly take the strain of that much spiritual pressure. I know it is probably just a plot device but it still makes n sense to me.






I'm in total agreement with your first question. The intensity of the winter battle could destroy a portion of the human world.
As for your second question, wouldn't it be suicide to travel into their territory in Hueco Mundo because of how superior the Arancar are to the shinigami. On the other hand if they just wait around for the battle, the Arancar will be stronger with the awakening of the Hougyoku so its now or never.

[NamikazeMinato]

stop saying ten espadas can end soul society
its ten vasto lordes that can end ss

[Back Off]

The Espada we meant are the ones created by Aizen. These Espadas are a lot more powerful and intimidating than the natural made one.

Lets say the power for a Vasto Lorde is "p".
The power for a natural-made Espada is "p + x"
The power for Aizen's Espada is "px"

* x < p

Those are just some comparisons. So ten Espada can wipe out SS, no problem. Not that I want it to happen.

[NamikazeMinato]

The Espada we meant are the ones created by Aizen. These Espadas are a lot more powerful and intimidating than the natural made one.

Lets say the power for a Vasto Lorde is "p".
The power for a natural-made Espada is "p + x"
The power for Aizen's Espada is "px"

* x < p

Those are just some comparisons. So ten Espada can wipe out SS, no problem. Not that I want it to happen.
wtf are u talking about vasto lordes are the most powerful beings in hueco mundo rite now next to aizen gin and tousen probably.
Most of the ten espadas wont be able to handle the captains in soul society, vasto lordes can prolly fight on par with them

[Back Off]

If the Vasto Lordes are so powerful then why Ulquiorra needs to be an Espada with the help of the Hougyoku? Then why Kaien-thingy said he's the only Gillian-class Espada?

Because the higher "class" Espada are Vasto Lordes.

It means that those Vasto Lordes become Espada with the help of Hougyoko.

//The Espada (十刃, Espada? lit. ten swords; the sword in Spanish) are the top-ranked arrancar in Aizen's army. The Espada at the time of the group's introduction into the series consists of nine males and one female.[6] Each Espada member is chosen for their superior combat ability and then assigned a number from 1 to 10 that indicates their rank and relative power level, which is tattooed somewhere on their body (Grimmjow's is on his lower back, for instance). The Espada are given control over the Números. The Espada are regarded as the strongest arrancar in existence, and their strength far surpasses the average Número, similar to the power gap between captains and lieutenants in the Gotei 13. As stated by Aaroniero Arleri, he was the only gillian ever to become an Espada.

The Números (Spanish: numbers) are the combat specialists. They are assigned a two digit number at birth from 11 to 99 to indicate their age (Número 11 is the oldest, Número 99 is the youngest). The basic Número uniform consists of a white-collared jacket and robes held with a black sash. However, the uniform is customizable, giving each Número a sense of individuality. The fighting ability of Números is thought to be superior to all other arrancar, except for the Espada (current and former).// --- courtesy of Wikipedia.


Most of the ten espadas wont be able to handle the captains in soul society

Are you kidding me? Hitsugaya said 10 Espada is enough to level SS. Aizen said he's got 20, although now we know that there are only 10.

vasto lordes can prolly fight on par with them

Duh, Grimmjow isn't a Vasto Lorde (Adjucha) yet he can fight on par with Ichigo, who is presumably captain level.

What are you reading anyway, Yondaime-sama? Please don't use the "wtf", especially the "f" word because it degrades yourself (couldn't be bothered, really) and ruins the harmony in OneManga's forum.

You'll probably flame me for this. Be my guest.

And tell Ulquiorra's fans that any Vasto Lorde can defeat him. I'll get the first aid ready... maybe...

[ghassassin]

Grimmjow was at par with Ulquiorra even. But I dont know if higher class espadas are vasto lordes with hougyoku.

[NamikazeMinato]

Im pretty sure numbers 5-10 of espada dont stand a chance against the captains such as zaraki,byakuka, kyouraku, mayuri, and retsu unohana

[Back Off]

Grimmjow was at par with Ulquiorra even. But I dont know if higher class espadas are vasto lordes with hougyoku.

Well, it isn't confirmed in the manga yet, but the remnants of Ulquiorra's mask is very similar to a Vasto Lorde's.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Vastolorde.jpg

Besides, the more intelligent an Arrancar is, the higher chances for it to have been originated from Vasto Lorde.

[ghassassin]

Im pretty sure numbers 5-10 of espada dont stand a chance against the captains such as zaraki,byakuka, kyouraku, mayuri, and retsu unohana

I wonder why Yami is an espada. He got pwned by Urahara within seconds. Zaraki and Byakuya are super strong for captains, lower level espadas surely dont have much chance against them. But I want to see 1,2 and 3 now. I wonder if #4 Ulquiorra is so strong, how will SS counter with the top 3.

[NamikazeMinato]

i cant wait to see the vaizards true potential when they face off against aizen and co.
vaizards might be the ones to fight off against 1,2,3,and uliquorra sama

[Back Off]

Vizards have another level-up if compared to shinigami taicho. So they all can do bankai (hopefully the vizards CAN do bankai) and they have another mask to pull in battles. It's a shame if the vizards cannot fight those espadas.

And then, they both have freaky scientists on their sides. SS has Mayuri and Aizen has Szayel. They must bring in some technologies to the Winter War! And then we have some miscellaneous combatants over SS's side like the Kurosaki and the Ishida. And the Ryoka.

How will Kubo portray Winter War? Will it be like a one on one battle?

[Jori]

Vizards have another level-up if compared to shinigami taicho. So they all can do bankai (hopefully the vizards CAN do bankai) and they have another mask to pull in battles. It's a shame if the vizards cannot fight those espadas.

And then, they both have freaky scientists on their sides. SS has Mayuri and Aizen has Szayel. They must bring in some technologies to the Winter War! And then we have some miscellaneous combatants over SS's side like the Kurosaki and the Ishida. And the Ryoka.

How will Kubo portray Winter War? Will it be like a one on one battle?

The way Arrancar work, I dont think they have a Bankai.

What Arrancar do, is gain shinigami powers by SEALING their own form and power into the zanpaktou, and when needed they release it.

Shinigami on the other hand have a zanpaktou, which yes is there power, but the zanpaktou goes through 2 stages of releases.. Instead of a Shinigami's "true form" its their swords.

[Back Off]

Yeah, great relief though that the arrancar doesn't have another release.

Shinigami's true form is their swords? Gee, I didn't know about that. But as far as I know, the swords resemble the owners' characters and attitude very well. I just didn't know the swords are their true forms... or maybe you're actually describing an Arrancar's?

[pryccaliente]

I don't think bankai is the true form of shinigami... their swords are not the containers of their tru form after all, they're like the shinigami's partner...

and zangetsu osan is a proof that zampaktou have decisions on their own

[Remielle]

Hmmm, little bit tense in this thread..
Come on guys, chill out a little, we're here on the same purpose, let's cooling down our head...

And yeah, I agree that Zanpakutou is merely a partner for a Shinigami, they not tools, so we can't bosses around hehe (Zaraki still begging for his Zanpakutou's name).
Hey, BTW where's Zangetsu osan?
The last time Ichigo ask, his inner hollow always said that he's Zangetsu, I missed that cool old man hehe.

[pryccaliente]

Zangetsu osan usually appears when Ichigo is about to die or when in an extreme situation (except when he used urahara's tool to bring out zampaktou's true form)

but still I'm wondering which one will appear when Ichigo visits his subconcious will it be Zangetsu osan? or the hollow Ichigo?:confused:

[tsunade666]

zangetsu. ichigo already pawnd the hollow and ichigo said that he will not let it have another chance.
and about the soul slayer I can classify them as your soul mate(emotional)
the partner of your soul because on what zangetsu said they are your power
and in their world reflects on what you feel basically like a mother and her child
in her womb.what you feel can be felt by your partner.
and I think what Jori is refering true form is about arrancar releasing ther soul slayer

[SmallWeeWee]

I notice that peopel in soul society grow up like normal people and die like normal people? Even though they said thats where dead people go, and they can still die there... where do they go? It said that rukia sister died of a sickness...? Can dead people die of diseases.. that is weird O_o. And to think, some place with high and mighty and magical as soul society they could at least give those dead people a better house, i mean that place look like a third world country. I guess in everyworld there is a ghetto

[craigowago]

there spirit particles become part of s/s when they die i also thought about how could dead people get dieseases and some body said that the person who had the diesease mght of sufferd from it so bad in life that it was brought to s/s with them

[Back Off]

Sigh, you really have to be more subtle in your posts. Don't go offend people with unnecessary prejudices towards "Third World Country" since not all of them are as lacking as Rukongai. And also, won't it be better for you to choose some other ID? That is vulgar enough.

Souls in Soul Society can fall sick and they have to die. If they don't die, there won't be any "materials" to be reincarnated. Then, the balance will be disrupted. Ukitake has TB and Hisana has some sort of illness. This proofs that what you said is true; souls can get disease.

That also answers your question: where do souls go after they "die"? They get reincarnated into humans again. It's an ongoing cycle, until the soul is destroyed (for example, got vanquished by a Quincy).

Is this thread really necessary by the way? The answer can be found in the manga after all, so I guess it's better to post this in "Quick Question" or "Random Speculations"?

[RhyssaFireheart]

Actually, this is something that could be debated since there hasn't been given a solid answer. However, there is a discussion thread for Soul Society where I'm going to move this to next. Gods forbid the newbies read the stickies and rules first....

[antoniobdo]

lately I've been wondering how time works in soul society. like how come some people age and then some people don't. like that little vizard girl looks exactly the same as she did 100 years ago while some characters on the show like byakuya grew up. do people in soul society have the choice of not ageing if want or not?

another thing I've been wondering is how come it seems like a completely different time in soul society, like there's almost no technology there either. and it seems that the people like in a completely different time than the real world but if the souls from the real world are brought to soul society then how come they're not wearing the clothes they had in the real world?

also, this is a bit off topic, but how come soul society refers to the real world as the 'real world', does that mean that soul society is less real than the real world and that everyone in it doesn't consider their world to be the real one but rather the other one to be real?

sorry for my bad grammar and spelling.

[bleach]

if you wanted to know why the vizards don't age this pretty much explains it
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.06/10/

[creator101]

Well id say that characters age differently than others because the vizard girl actually does look like shes grown she looks taller than she did in the gaiden arc. The technology is suppose to represent the time of samuri because the soul reapers do use swords. If there technology was meant to be as advanced as ours there zanpaktou's would be colt .45's.

As far as the living world being the "real world" I think the manga is just written like that to help the readers...

[RhyssaFireheart]

Well, this thread needed a huge necro for the merge.

Please take the time to look over the Master List of Discussions before just starting a random thread. It's better to keep general discussions about the Soul Society in a thread set up for that purpose. Besides, I'm sure we've had this whole aging discussion before, I just can't recall when/where it was.

[Kyoraku]

Well what do you think about Soul Society in general? When you pass away and end up in Rukongai, would your first thought be, ' Is this hell?'. Soul Society is like another Earth for the dead. I think this is kind of lame. Having no heaven for the dead but another reality.

Just wanted to hear everyones view on Soul Society and the way its run?

[World_Ender]

Now, I don't recall anything ever being said to suggest that there was a time discrepancy between seireitei and the real world...in fact, the very fact that at least part of the summer passed, as well as the fact that Ichigo's dad took note of Kon being in Ichigo's body during the - what, 4/5 day - period they were in Seireitei seems to suggest time runs exactly the same...

yet the Vizards' betrayal took place - supposedly - about 100 years before the current setting, correct?

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.01/06/

If so, why did it happen in the 40s?

Now you may say - Oh! Jazz was invented in the early 1910's!

And I'll argue - Oh! It became "The new, big thing" in 1938~1941!


EDIT -

Confirmation that the Vizards' betrayal was said to take place 100 years ago -

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.05/01/


That does NOT line up with Jazz at all...assuming Bleach is in a modern setting, that would mean they were hearing jazz ~ 30 years before its invention.

[Tatsumaki]

Shinji has a lame taste in music I guess? LOL
I don't know...

[World_Ender]

That, good sir, wouldn't make sense, since he says "it's the hot new thing".

[Mibu Kyoshiro]

well what is the year the story state to start. and maybe Jazz remain kind of new and big after 30 year

[emptiness]

and maybe you can note this as well. humans created jazz. if ss wants to get it, some jazz musician has to die first. :)

however, theres also a chance that some talented deceased musician created jazz in ss as well. then everything would rhyme eh?

[World_Ender]

Judging by the settings in the real world, I'd say it was far after 1980.

It looks to me to be about 01~08


>>>however, theres also a chance that some talented deceased musician created jazz in ss as well. then everything would rhyme eh?<<<

No.

If a talented jazz musician invented it in Seireitei, then he wouldn't have said "it's the new, big thing IN THE REAL WORLD".

There's no way around this - if Kubo set Bleach in ~2000, he made an error.

[Locke]

Wow amazing man. I wouldn't have thought twice on it. However since most of the members here are boring & hate anything interesting that isn't talking about 'logical' happenings & obviousasshit theories, you do realise they will just say.

"It's just a manga, who cares?"

[Lone_ant]

well this could be happening in 2020., I mean why not?

2000 was supposed to be a year where everyone owns flying cars and humans have a moon base and a mars base.

OR, someone in Gigai could have invented Jazz.

[Locke]

Well it would need to be like 2040.

But I suppose it could be, look for example at Renji's goggles.

[AnatoliaFangirl]

Nice observation, World_Ender ^_^ My take would be that unless Tite Kubo made a mistake, perhaps the manga is not taking place during the same timeline as it's being published in but in the future.

[RhyssaFireheart]

Merged the time discrepancy thread into the general discussion thread about Soul Society. There is actually an even older thread (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=6175) still on the forums here (oldest thread still in this forum, actually) that asked about the time differences, but that one hasn't been posted in since December 2007, so this fits a bit better now.

IIRC, didn't Yoruichi show that time didn't move the same between SS and the real world when she was talking about the time left to rescue Rukia during the SS arc? They entered SS and seemed to have gone back in time a few days, I thought. I'll have to see if I can find the pages where they talk about that part....

[World_Ender]

Merged the time discrepancy thread into the general discussion thread about Soul Society. There is actually an even older thread (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=6175) still on the forums here (oldest thread still in this forum, actually) that asked about the time differences, but that one hasn't been posted in since December 2007, so this fits a bit better now.

IIRC, didn't Yoruichi show that time didn't move the same between SS and the real world when she was talking about the time left to rescue Rukia during the SS arc? They entered SS and seemed to have gone back in time a few days, I thought. I'll have to see if I can find the pages where they talk about that part....

I don't think this belongs here, but I'm also not one to question the word of those in authority over me.

And no, what Yoruichi explained about the time discrepancy was in fact that when they came through the tunnel to SS, Orihime's power colliding with the "cleaner" caused a lapse in time which actually moved them back in time, giving them (7?) days instead of 3.

[laborer]

hey i always wondered about the walls around the court of pure souls. In episode 24 she gives an example of whacking the blood thirst stone and a circle formed around it. So i don't know if its a barrier or of the whole sphere is not damageable. However since the whole thing covers the whole of the court of pure souls like a barrier like in the image below. However if this is the case i doubt that all the power clumps up to form one huge barrier shouldn't there be a barrier every meter or so meaning that shouldn't all the attacks be dissipated by this barrier? Does anybody understand what i mean?

[laborer]

Does this image sorta explain better what i mean about the wall and the barrier thingy?

[Deep Thinker o.O]

My Bet is on Ichigo's Dad Being King or the FORMER Kenpachi.
That would make Ichigo Royalty, or explain why he is INSANELY STRONG.

[Armageddon Relevant]

I think Ichigo's dad is the former kenpachi also...

But i think his mom is a member of the royal family or just plain mortal... that would make their love illegal... and make him fake his death to leave ss to be with her.

the grand fisher found a trace of her spiritual pressence and killed her.

[ddboy102]

this is me just wondering do they have another kido captain and and vice captain if so where are they does this mean in a gap of 100 years no one was able to meet the requirements what about nano or momo they could qualify for vice captain remember the combo she did on apache and comp.

[defk3000]

Maybe they were disbanded after the captain left? It's just a hole in the story for now I guess.

[Salt n Pepper]

Hi, I'm new to the forum, sorry if this topic has already been posted before.

How many times have you noticed that Soul Society always seem to cover things up? How many times have members of the Captains or other characters been left in the dark about the history of Soul Society
while the whole time the top brass knew what was going on around them?

Also, take another look at this chapter
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/17/

I don't know about you, but don't you think they step in Very quickly to silence Hinamori?

[kgk]

Hi, I'm new to the forum, sorry if this topic has already been posted before.

How many times have you noticed that Soul Society always seem to cover things up? How many times have members of the Captains or other characters been left in the dark about the history of Soul Society
while the whole time the top brass knew what was going on around them?

Also, take another look at this chapter
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/224/17/

I don't know about you, but don't you think they step in Very quickly to silence Hinamori?

that was old man yamma, and he did it because she was trying to impose on hitsuga. The "top brass" is all dead by aizens hands. Yammamoto is now the leader of ss.

[Oathbreaker]

Considering that Aizen all but made Hinamori his slave, yeah. I imagine the top brass wants to snap her out of that as quickly as possible, since having what is more or less a potential traitor in their midst is never a good thing.

It's a valid theory that the top brass (though I would consider that as whoever runs things above Yamamoto, not him or other captains) could possibly be the real threat/enemy, but there's no real evidence of that other than Yamamoto's seeming preference to keep things nice and quiet.

[MUstASHH]

nah,,, hinamori just lost her mind cause the man she looked up to and loved stabbed her in the gut,, why let her go on with her crazy-woman-talk?

besides,, if aizen was being forced by someone to do the things he's been doing,, he's a CRAZY good actor,, cause he hasn't deviated from his role ONCE,, not even a hint of it,, all that smugness and arrogance can't be a facade,


or,, maybe you're right,, hell if i know :P time will tell,, i dont think this is how things will play out though.. if i'm wrong,, then i'm wrong ;)