xxxHolic

[Lainemaa]

Himawari-chan is the person who hasn't confessed her true feelings to Watanuki-san, yet. The anime is like the manga in the way it handles the situation between them, except for the fact that they left out that Syaoran-kun was the 3rd person who paid the price for Watanuki-san to get better.

Himawari-chan just asks Watanuki-san to make her a type of pastry when he gets better as a why of thanking her. Watanuki-san feels a bit better that Himawari-chan didn't leave him forever and then proceeds to asking Yuuko-chan about the price of removing the curse from Himawari-chan. Yuuko-chan informs Watanuki-san about the situation (explanation about the price) that she is in and gives him the egg as a way to grant his wish.

The episode for this part was: XXXHOLIC KEI EPISODE 11.

wooo we're on pg 20

I just hope Watanuki doesn't end up being directly linked with Fei Wang Reed.

Edit: Next chapter due 6th Oct - Young Magazine #45 - Chapter 167.

This is by far my favorite currently running manga.

The Clow link omg Watanuki XD

EDIT: Wouldnt Yuuko make a more logical link to Fei Wang?

Clow Reed and Fei Wang Reed are connected in some way though, right? Since the last name is pretty much a giveaway.

It would be devasting for Watanuki if he was somehow directly related to Butt Chin DX

Wait sorry let me go retrace my posts on other forums lol

EDIT: I meant could Yuko be the Su Yung to Watanuki's Clow? :O

[Vande]

Tachikoma_Pilot - don't think so really

[Asuka_Wind]

Hmm new thread for XXXHolic already too?

BethhyTheMokona: Fei Wang is the distant relative of Clow Reed of course...and it would be bad if Watanuki was somehow related to Fei Wang -_-

[Eger-kun]

:lol: even Fujitaka and Eriol has a family relation with each other so why not Watanuki and Fei Wang Reed


and woooootttt we thrash our first xxxholic thread

[Asuka_Wind]

:lol: even Fujitaka and Eriol has a family relation with each other so why not Watanuki and Fei Wang Reed


and woooootttt we thrash our first xxxholic thread

Of course, if Clow is the distant relative of Watanuki, then Fei Wang will have to be another really distant relative of Watanuki >_<

Another thread thrashed...we just thrashed the Tsubasa Chronicle one XD

[BethhyTheMokona]

Smells like new thread.

When will the next chapter be out?

[addiC]

Curently, its probably out like weekly, since the release for each chapter seems quite inconsistent sometimes...oh well, its just some fillers chpt lately =/

[kyatis]

When will the next chapter be out?

yay new thread~

it'll take some time now for the next release cuz the last one came out recently.....

[BethhyTheMokona]

I heard that it would be out on 6th October but I wanted to make sure.
Thanks anyway, addiC and Kya :)

[kyatis]

6th october??

that's not far away~

[Eger-kun]

oh it wil be out on Oct 6 ok and I thought Vande said xxxholic has a break too guess I mistook it with the break on TRC

[BethhyTheMokona]

I think the TRC break is a one week break but I'm not sure :/

[Eger-kun]

yeah TRC will be having a break but that doesn't mean that they will only do that for one week :/

[Vande]

Seems like there is a change according to Manga Helpers:

11th Oct - Young Magazine #46 - Chapter 167
20th Oct - Young Magazine #47 - No XXXHOLiC scheduled

[Eger-kun]

oh noes there will be no chapter of xxxholic this week .. why is that , I though it will be release this week -_-"

[BethhyTheMokona]

Maybe they are scheduling Kobato as well. I haven't been up to date much with that series
O.O;

[Eger-kun]

oh so Clamp are trying to catch up with their other series then but I don't have any Idea what Kobato is :/

[BethhyTheMokona]

Kobato is another series that CLAMP are releasing. Though I'm not sure when they are usually out but I know a website that has all the chapters:

http://clampno.lumiere.free.fr/lumiere.html

[Eger-kun]

Kobato is another series that CLAMP are releasing. Though I'm not sure when they are usually out but I know a website that has all the chapters:

http://clampno.lumiere.free.fr/lumiere.html

oh is that right ? well I don't have time to read it yet even though it is not available here in OM

but since CLAMP has a hectic schedule atm we just have to bear with them

[BethhyTheMokona]

Indeed. For now, no xxxHolic T.T
But still, no breaks for TRC this month ;D
(After this one, of course).
Hoping for some Butt Chin kicking~

[Eger-kun]

:lol: for TRC we will see how he played on Syaoran so there are no butt kickings atm and I am hoping there would be a shed of light on the cooking part for Watanuki and does he cannot taste his own food . to me that is just weird :/

[BethhyTheMokona]

In chapter 200, there is a page about cooking and in xxxHolic there is a cooking arc.
I think CLAMP is trying to advertise foods.
>.<

[Eger-kun]

well I think that was just a adversitement so the fans will look forward in reading xxxholic but perhaps maybe the authors has recently been fond of food lately , aren't they on a strict diet since Clamp is mainly compose of girl mangakas right ?

[BethhyTheMokona]

Ahahah XD
Not all female mangakas have to go on a diet. I eat tons and never put on anything ;D
/Looking forward to next chapter that's most likely food related.
/And is now hungry O.O;

[Eger-kun]

:lol: guess that depends on the ladies then ;)

well I hope other than the cooking incident I want to see more of the crossover of TRC and xxholic this time since it has been ages since Yuuko contact the other worlds

[BethhyTheMokona]

I don't think Yuuko can contact the others for a while since she used most of her magic to send them to Clow Country T.T
But maybe they'll be snippets of them in Syaoran's flashback.

[Eger-kun]

oh I forgot that Yuuko cannot provide further assistance to Syaoran's group and besides she already got her hands full at Watanuki atm

and pretty much there would be more on the flashbacks

[BethhyTheMokona]

If Yuuko can't assist anymore, how will they get back home? O.O
I'm not quiter clear if Mokona has to rely on Yuuko's power or not (since she created Mokona).

:aww: Mokona is too cute.

[Eger-kun]

well I think the white Mokona is self reliant when it comes to magic but I don't see him from activating the portal unless they have a grab of Sakura's feathers right ?

[BethhyTheMokona]

Yes, his dimension hopping is activated by the capture of a new feather, I guess. But one of Mokona's 108 secret techniques may help a lot ;D

[Eger-kun]

that was the one technique made by Clamp I didn't like since they can actually throw anything at the white Mokona to help on situation , I kinda find it like a Deux Ex Machina

[BethhyTheMokona]

/Acts like n00b T.T
Deux Ex Machina?

I just find Mokona's techniques mysterious and maybe they already have all his techniques planned (since Mokona, the artist, has claimed she has 108 techniques, I'm assuming she knows what they are XD)

[Eger-kun]

:lol: that is why they did the 108 technique so they won't ran on Ideas for a new technique and I'm not in the mood on explaining a Deus Ex Machina but here is a wiki link for that :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

oh I forgot it's Deus Ex Machina

[BethhyTheMokona]

>~<
Wikipedia has many big words.

Mokona's secret techniques make him suspicous and mysterious (much like the main series). He may help Syaoran and the others in the epic battle ahead. Mokona is a main asset. Also, he's adorable.
/Wishes for Mokona plushie T.T

[Eger-kun]

well it's just like a god who suddenly appear in a situation that cannot be easily resolve and just use his godly powers to make it better , which is kind of lame imo

and well Mokona will always surprise us with his technique since most of them aren't revealed yet

and a plushie Mokona is hard to find here in our place :/

[Vande]

oh noes there will be no chapter of xxxholic this week .. why is that , I though it will be release this week -_-"

It was due but appears to have been pushed back.

[BethhyTheMokona]

O.O I see, sounds like a useful character but a bit lame, yes.

/Same, since my area has not much knowledge for manga and anime D:

[Eger-kun]

It was due but appears to have been pushed back.

oh maybe Clamp has a hectic schedule atm , well we just have to bear with them

O.O I see, sounds like a useful character but a bit lame, yes.

/Same, since my area has not much knowledge for manga and anime D:

well ask Vande where to find one since both of you came from the same place right ?

[BethhyTheMokona]

Not nessasarily. I come from the Midlands whereas Vande may live in London or Land's End (Very bottom of England).

But if Vande knows, maybe Vande can tell me where a Mokona plushie may be? ;D

[Asuka_Wind]

There's some manga where I'm from.. >_<

Oh hmm It's kind of known but not really either so all I have sometime is either Onemanga or some few stores which I don't think I have enough money to buy some books from -_-

Hmm my continent maybe doesn't have much manga except for like some store I always go to to read mangas instead of buying it XD

[Eger-kun]

well here is our place there is a scarcity of mangas here so pretty much I buy it when I see it on a local bookstore

[Vande]

Not nessasarily. I come from the Midlands whereas Vande may live in London or Land's End (Very bottom of England).

But if Vande knows, maybe Vande can tell me where a Mokona plushie may be? ;D

Heh i'm in Yorkshire (Sheffield) - Ebay have Mokona Plushies (or at least did)

http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=1169293&postcount=43 - fans of Watanuki i do believe my latest post in the TRC topic about TRC 201 spoilers may give an indication of his "birth"

[BethhyTheMokona]

And those spoiler has just officially made my brain implode (that's right; implode)

Thanks Vande for letting us know.

[Eger-kun]

:O

hmm so that' explains his cooking skill since both Watanuki and Syaoran are good at those

[Vande]

yep it does and the first words i said were something along the lines of what the frickin heck.

[Eger-kun]

but why does Watanuki has more of a resemblance to Clow than Syaoran , guess we have to leave it to ClAmp for some major explanations

[Asuka_Wind]

No wonder Watanuki is like that as well and he doesn't remember his parents..or does it have anything to do with his parents? the spoilers...-_-

[Vande]

Latest chapter 167 spoilers from Ashura Sama's LJ - also 168 should be out on the 27th Oct

Chapter 167

Cover: Yuuko and boy Watanuki.

The wandering fates, in their struggle, blend!! What is the future that Yuuko gazes at behind those stern eyes!?

Yuuko's mansion is eaten by the tears. (T/N: I guess like "tears in the fabric of space-time".) Within it, the place with maximum priority to be defended until the end is the vault. Ginryuu, Yuui's tattoo etc. are left as they are. There is a lovely staff with wings there. It's the true "staff of star" that Sakura of the CCS world left. And in a different box is a pocket-watch-like picture frame.

Like the egg that Sakura-replica brought, Watanuki was split into different forms. The one in the picture is the other Watanuki. Shaoran's shape was a fake. Watanuki doesn't know about this picture or the true name written in it. However his body and heart understand that, and also the instability of his existence, that in the world that should originally have been his parents died protecting him, and that for that reason he must not remain in this world. (T/N: Unusual kanji for "understand". Also, I'm not sure on the "protecting him" part. A reflexive pronoun is used there and I have no idea whether it's reflecting "Watanuki" or "his parents".)

The shock is spun by Yuuko's mouth!! We finally found out the truth!! Where is Watanuki's future headed!?

There is no returning to ignorance!!


I want this and now!!!

[BethhyTheMokona]

DDDDD;
WTF CLAMP!?!?
/Dies.

[Asuka_Wind]

CLAMP...they better explain this now because I don't know if I read that clearly =_=

[Lainemaa]

I'm paranoid of spoilers so I haven't looked inside any of the tags. Sorry if I repeat what's already been said. The latest chapter of Tsubasa RC gave an explanation on Watanuki's and Syaoran's relationship. Go read it.

[Asuka_Wind]

Yep, just read it and I somehow knew their relationship was something close to this...But Watanuki's parents are actually Real Syaoran's parents? O.o Since Syaoran was replaced by Watanuki to "fill in."

[Ren-san]

Such a sad fate for the parents of Syaoran's parents. At least everything is being explained now. I wonder who is going to end up dying in the end. Will it be Syaoran or Watanuki? Since Watanuki wasn't meant to exist in the real world, should he be allowed to live on now that he has made deep connections with some very close friends?

[Eger-kun]

D: CLAMP WTH was that

:lol: Yuuko's shop is disintegrating and the only things that are left are the sword of Kurogane , Tatoo of Fye and the CCS Sakura's Staff. and we now learn Watanuki's true purpose

D:<

[Vande]

I'm paranoid of spoilers so I haven't looked inside any of the tags. Sorry if I repeat what's already been said. The latest chapter of Tsubasa RC gave an explanation on Watanuki's and Syaoran's relationship. Go read it.

*grin* but spoilers are soooo much fun :p

But with the Watanuki parents....if they are CCS! Sakura & Syaoran....CLAMP has killed em off....

Edit: 167 is now out in japan

[Leonsagara]

I think the reason Watanuki doesn't remember is that he gave up his memories for a wish from Yuuko. I remember reading it in one of the chapters but don't remember which. Also, I'd like to think the fate of CCS Sakura and Syaoran is as yet undetermined, because it really depends on when Yuuko received Sakura's staff...

[Ren-san]

Yeah, that was the main reason as to why Watanuki doesn't remember his parents or anything that has to do with his past. The links at the bottom of the post are from Tsubasa, which states the fact that Watanuki did give up his memories for Syoaran to have his wish granted when the time came.

Links:

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/181/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/181/03/

http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/181/04/

[Asuka_Wind]

Well yes, the fact that Watanuki gave up his past memories is true but then there's the "Watanuki was created to 'fill in' for Syaoran" thing so that means in one of the pages, it said that Syaoran would be replaced and Watanuki would be Syaoran's parents son now:
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/201/19/ (at the bottom)

[BethhyTheMokona]

Has the new chapter of xxxHolic came out yet?

O.O
Sorry if I'm a bit slow.

[Vande]

Yep but not scanlated yet. But carlos-net have posted their translation :)

Ps: next chapter due in japan on 27th October!

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xxxHOLiC
Chapter 167
[Insert text right: He is no brother. / He is you yourself.]
[Insert text left: In another world, a boy relates the shocking truth!! Don't miss Tsubasa in the 8th October issue of Weekly Shonen Magazine!! As these two worlds begin to move, the story plunges into startling depths!!]

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[Side text: In their struggle, wandering destinies begin to intermingle!! What future lies beyond Yuuko's cold gaze?!]

3
Yuuko: It seems... / ...that there is no trouble here. // No... // I must be sure to protect this place at least.

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Yuuko: Until that day which must come.

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[SFX: touch]
Yuuko: The staff which Watanuki found before... // ...was a mere replica... // But this one here... // ...is the one and only "Star Staff". // The price paid by Sakura-chan, true inheritor... // ...of the magic woven by Clow.

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[SFX: touch]
Yuuko: That which was one... / ...became two. // For the sake of those beloved children. // Watanuki... / ...was born when Syaoran made his wish to turn back the hands of time. // A second Syaoran.

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Yuuko: Just like the egg that Sakura-hime brought back... // ...that which was meant to be one, became two. // Two separate, individual entities.

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Yuuko: Those eggs... // One hatched according to the wish of the one who cared for it. // The other never hatched into anything. // However, it was nevertheless given a highly important role. // Likewise, Syaoran and Watanuki...
[SFX: chinkle]
Yuuko: ...differed in name... / ...and even in appearance. // This was as their parents wished it. // In order to avoid... / ...erasing either one of the two...
[SFX: click]

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Yuuko: Syaoran changed his face, / and even his family name. // Through that name, this child was kept hidden. // The reading of his name, "Watanuki"... / ...comes from the custom of removing padding from one's kimono on the first of April. // An ancient sorcery... / To prevent children from suffering from spectres or diseases, they would be dressed in the now-unpadded kimono, and the removed padding would become their substitute.

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[SFX: slip]
Yuuko: Watanuki Kimihiro. // Even so, to protect that child from harm... // He was given a fabricated name, with his own birthday contained in it. // For names and birthdays are important things.

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Yuuko: Of this photograph... / ...and of the true name his parents gave him, recorded within here, // that child knows nothing. // It is for that reason that Fei Wong has been unable to uncover his location, // and that he has been able to live his life without being used for Fei Wong's purposes...

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Yuuko: Still, / that child's existence is unstable and uncertain. // Since it was something never originally meant to be. // That child himself knows that much.
[SFX: snap]
Yuuko: Though his memories are gone, his heart and body understand. // And also... / ...that due to the separation of one path into two... // ...in this world where he exists, his parents died in protection of him. // Thus he feels all the more that he "should not be here".
[Side text: Yuuko tells all!! Finally, we know the truth!! Where will Watanuki's future lead...?!]
[Bottom text: Once a thing is known, it can never again be unknown!! Next chapter is on sale 27th October!!]

[BethhyTheMokona]

Thanks for the translations! ;D

It's so sad to hear that CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran die. T.T I'm hoping to see a full length photo or something of them in future chapters.

[Asuka_Wind]

Thank you for the translations as always Vande! ^^

Wow those spoilers really surprised me and Yuuko is telling all of the story! We're really beginning to get into the chapters that reveals all answers. So Syaoran changed himself alot but did he literally changed his face? Or is it just an expression saying he changed his way or maybe something along those lines?

[syler]

i already expected all 0f it that's why it doesn't make me so shock. why do shizuka's egg dont hatch?

[Twi]

This is some heavy stuff....CLAMP doesn't half-a** anything do they

[Asuka_Wind]

Chapter 167 came out on OneManga and I first got to say that the shop really is in danger right now...O_O and also, I like Yuuko's clothes in this chapter, she looks pretty. ^^
Ok anyway~ This chapter explained so very much!! Wow, in just 12 pages, she explained all of it and I still want to see Syaoran's "parents" face.

[addiC]

Cool, so it seems both xxxholic and TRC which comes from the same author, even the latest chapter has lots of link with each other, guess one has to read both to understand fully.

And thx for the spoiler Vande..

[Eger-kun]

well pretty much Yuuko still has the star staff of CCS Sakura but I wonder if Watanuki can use those , go Card Captor Watanuki

[Vande]

Cardcaptor Watanuki lol

(makes you wonder who has the Sakura Cards, Kero & Yueh)

[Rain-chan]

T.T... Even though it's Clamp, and I should have expected this development... somehow it still makes me sad...

But yeah, wonder where kero's at now...

[Eger-kun]

Cardcaptor Watanuki lol

(makes you wonder who has the Sakura Cards, Kero & Yueh)

well obviously if Sakura didn't have the cards I think Yuuko or the caretaker Kero has one though Watanuki as a Cardcaptor will be quite a show for xxxholic and I think even Syaoran can be the same since both of their parents are used to be cardcaptors as well

[syler]

i was wondering did watanuki's parents (sakura and syaoran) rally died in the accident? if i read it correctly they died because the protect watanuki. maybe they did something liike fighting FWR and died.

[ClearAsh]

Can you say "sad much". I was also thinking that Watanuki would hold the cards too and I wonder what Watanuki's real name is. Li_____.

[youngavatar]

wow i was shock to finally find out the truth about watanuki. well now the connection between him and sayron more sense.

[Ren-san]

i was wondering did watanuki's parents (sakura and syaoran) rally died in the accident? if i read it correctly they died because the protect watanuki. maybe they did something liike fighting FWR and died.

They could have done that or they could have made a wish to protect Watanuki for a certain length of time. Sort of like, when Watanuki made the wish with Yuuko many years ago to reveal Fei Wong Reed's location to the original Syaoran, when the time was right. The parents could have made a wish to protect the location of Watanuki, until the time was right for his location to be revealed.

[Asuka_Wind]

But I might think that they're still alive..I cant think of them dying, that's too cruel >_< But Watanuki's location can't be revealed or else Fei Wang will get him, won't him??

[Eger-kun]

well I think Fei Wang Reed something from either Syaoran or Watanuki though pretty much he will need only one though as for the CCS Couple I wonder how FWR overpowered the both of them since Sakura is the holder of the Clow Cards unless she did bargain for the Star Staff early on so she can't fight FWR

[Asuka_Wind]

I think CCS Sakura did give up her staff before Fei Wang came and pretty much killed them. And also, CCS Syaoran gave his sword to the Real Syaoran in Tsubasa meaning he couldn't use magic any more without his sword.

[Eger-kun]

well if that is the case then the only thing they can do is to wait for FWR to get them which he actually manage to pull off cause both of the CCS Couple can't really fight without their respective weapon

P.S. look at the sig pic and unconsciously vote of Ed in the OMCB :devil:

[Asuka_Wind]

I guess so..That's sad, knowing that Fei Wang is coming for them >_< All CCS Syaoran had was his karate he knew from learning as a young kid and Sakura...was pretty much helpless without her staff though she does have great gymnastic skills, but that does not matter.
*Stares at sig pic..* *Votes for Ed in the OMCB* @_@

[Eger-kun]

well pretty much both of them are now rendered useless without their respective weapons but it's a sad way of killing them since both of them had a happy life during the CCS Saga and that's why sometimes I hate Clamp when it does that .

P.S. The Geass actually worked :D

[syler]

i dont know if i hat clamp making me sad because i like there story. I dont like the feeling being sad.like in code gease ending iam still in denial that lelouch is dead. iam still greatful that it dosent show how the CCS couple died.

[Eger-kun]

i dont know if i hat clamp making me sad because i like there story. I dont like the feeling being sad.like in code gease ending iam still in denial that lelouch is dead. iam still greatful that it dosent show how the CCS couple died.

ll more so I think the couple did get in a tough situation though I think it was a futile attempt and they where easily dispatched by FWR

[BethhyTheMokona]

Too bad in the latest xxxHolic chapter shows that the CCS! Sakura and Syaoran did indeed die to protect Watanuki.

T.T

[Vande]

i dont know if i hat clamp making me sad because i like there story. I dont like the feeling being sad.like in code gease ending iam still in denial that lelouch is dead. iam still greatful that it dosent show how the CCS couple died.

ah crap i did not want to know that ending, just bloody spoilt it ~_~

[Asuka_Wind]

Oh, Vande still hasn't watched the last episode of Code Geass?? *off topic right now*
::Back to topic::
Yuuko may look like she knows everything about Watanuki, in my perspective. She knew of Watanuki already and what happened to him and all that, ever since the beginning.

[Ren-san]

So what is your point that you are trying to get across here, Asuka_Wind?

Are you saying that Yuuko has a pretty good idea as to what is going to happen to Watanuki in the future?

[Eger-kun]

So what is your point that you are trying to get across here, Asuka_Wind?

Are you saying that Yuuko has a pretty good idea as to what is going to happen to Watanuki in the future?

yes she does , the whole idea of hitzuken (forgot the spelling) is what the manga really revolves in and besides . and besides I rather see her having dream seer powers

[Asuka_Wind]

Hmm I was just saying that it looks like Yuuko knows quite alot of things about Watanuki. I mean, it does look like it to me. -_-
And hitsuzen is destiny or fated meaning she knew of something in the future that will happen to Watanuki.

[Eger-kun]

yes she does cause Watanuki has some similarities to that of Clow maybe he is capable being like him since his eyes are an eyesore for the Yokai and Ayakashi out there

[BethhyTheMokona]

Watanuki hasn't had much experience with magic so I don't know if he will be the next Clow. Unless he practised with his parents before they died (T.T).

But he may have the power to do so. Just like my avatar says, Watanuki is destined to take CCS!Sakura's place as Cardcaptor.

[Eger-kun]

can I copy that avatar of your just for a while :lol: that is quite funny and you supported my theory about CCW :lol: though particularly Watanuki has never had any experience about magic unless it is part of the bargain with Yuuko

[Asuka_Wind]

Ok now I'm confused with who copied the Cardcaptor Sakura Watanuki! avatar thing...Oh It's Eger-kun who copied for a while? Ok, I got it XD Getting confused with who is who....-_- But that avatar is so funny! XD Anyway~
Maybe one day Watanuki will practice magic one day?? With Yuuko?? Uuuh O_o

[Eger-kun]

well maybe Watanuki's parents did teach him about magic back then though Sakura can't teach her with Cardcoptoring since at that time the Star Staff was at Yuuko's shop

and even the people here in the threads are confusing

[Asuka_Wind]

Hmm true maybe....I'd like to see Watanuki use magic, this will be interesting xD

I'm confusing?? o.o

[Eger-kun]

seeingt him do magic will be quite a feat already though at his current state I think that thing is latent to him

and for awhile you where but not anymore ;)

[Asuka_Wind]

I'm sure if we ever see him use magic, he's just going to mess up and bicker with Doumeki at how he can't use magic. This will be funny to read xD

Oh I see, I was confusing before? I didn't know....>_<

[Eger-kun]

:lol: Doumeiki is some kind of a miko right so he'll try act to be cool about it though he will be proud of Watanuki's achievement deep inside

you where when you posted the 7 year Fake and Real Clow Country

[Asuka_Wind]

*cough* XD Yeah, I guess. And he is going to say a couple of "moron" or "Idiot" in Watanuki's face too. XD

Actually it was the 7 years story at how Real Syaoran is actually 21 and all that.

[Eger-kun]

oh I forgotten about that too 7 years or 7day :lol:

well I think Doumeki will wear his poker face if Watanuki is starting to brag and such though I wonder if Tomoyo is still there and can sew for Watanuki's costume

[Asuka_Wind]

Doumeki will just look at him while probably practicing magic and then change the subject to what they are going to eat later. Doumeki can be way too calm sometime xD

O_O Watanuki in Tomoyo's costume...That's going to be a sight to see. *imagining him in Tomoyo's costume*

[Eger-kun]

well as for me I think he'll just ignore Watanuki's achievement and will say something like where's my food today ?

and as for Watanuki in Tomoyo's costume I wonder too maybe he'll look like Clow though I wonder is she knows Watanuki too

[Vande]

27th Oct - Young Magazine #48 - Chapter 168
1st Nov - Young Magazine #49 - Chapter 169

Release dates seem odd

[Eger-kun]

oh that is quite odd Indeed and why is clamp doing that :shrug: , well all we can do is wait and thanks Vande for the schedules

[syler]

wow now it look like weekly thanks for the schedules.

[Ren-san]

oh that is quite odd Indeed and why is clamp doing that :shrug: , well all we can do is wait and thanks Vande for the schedules

This is all apart of Clamp's master plan to give us all the answers that we wanted about the Real Syaoran's past and what the group's next goal is going to be. Then once we know the groups next goal, Clamp will introduce a new twist to the story and leave us hanging around again for another month, making all of the fans more anxious about knowing what is going to happen in the future.

[syler]

wah thats why i hate clamp they always leaving a big question.

[Asuka_Wind]

Aww you can't hate them for that. I love how CLAMP always leave a mystery and everybody keeps arguing about one possibility and another prediction...XD Though it is very nerve-wrecking to admit truthfully...for some time >_<
Thank you for the release schedule again Vande! ^^

[Vande]

The mags don't always come out every seven days it seems which is just odd

Edit: 168 Rumours/Spoilers

Chapter 168

The distortion brought forth because of the "time that Shaoran rewound", that's Watanuki!! Yuuko's words spin a tragedy!!

If he didn't exist, wouldn't his parents have continued on without dying? Those feelings and regrets become Watanuki's predisposition to attract ayakashi. And at that time when Shaoran faced the clone and was about to die, Watanuki subconsciously tried to protect Shaoran by erasing his own life. That was the cause of the incident where he fell from the school building.

It's no good if Watanuki disappears. It's not only Maru and Moro who thus wish. Responding to the feelings of the several people he's met until now, even Watanuki himself changed to the point of wishing, "I want to be here."

Yuuko: The stronger it's wished for, the stronger it gets.
Along with that child,
the future too will change.

The fact that Watanuki is alone now is something he himself chose. "If Shaoran is alone, I should be as well." However, that memory was given as payment and no longer remains. A few remaining memories exist only because of Fei Wang's curse. (T/N: I'm not sure about this one.) In short, not necessarily all memories are true. The feelings entrusted by his parents into a fake name. "I'll go meet you, without fail." (T/N: This is worded as a quote. Whose and about what, I'm not sure.)

Watanuki's existence is sorrowful, ephemeral, and overflowing with subconscious courage. "I'll go meet you, without fail." His parents' feelings, true!!

To change the future through the feelings of comrades. With everyone, certainly, we can get there!! Wait for the next issue!!

[Eger-kun]

that is indeed quite sorrowful for Watanuki's sake though I'm thankful that he doesn't remember that thing of his with loneliness since his memories where taken away from him as a payment. though the fact that he subconsciously want to die and fell into the school building means that Himawari bad luck has no effect on him.

though I'm quite surprise why Ayakashi's are going for him and thinking he is a good meal since his life was full of misery back then

[Asuka_Wind]

Really sad how Watanuki thought he needed to die for Syaoran. >_<
Like Eger-kun said, if he tried to kill himself at the incident where he fell from the school building, that means it wasn't Hmawari's bad luck but those are rumoured spoilers so, can't be too sure about it. It seems real though.

[Eger-kun]

well nice to have Asuka on my side for a change XD

well I am sure that those spoiler are real since all the past ones are correct as well though I can say that if Watanuki is a distortion of reality and now deserves to live , now his life has meaning into . I didn't know that he was sulking so much cause of his parent's death and the misery of having a illusion life

[BethhyTheMokona]

Agreed.

Those rumours seem to add up to the story line. And I understand that living with the burden of your parent's death and knowing that you never have meant to exist can be deressing. I wouldn't say he's sulking, just in great pain. I feel really sorry for him.
I'm actually glad that he gave up those memories for a price. I'd hate to see Watanuki in that much pain.

[Eger-kun]

well it's looks like sulking to me and pretty much most of the time he went through a lot of hardship as well when he lost both of his parents . Watanuki later on might be a great helping hand to Syaoran someday

[Ren-san]

Well, we know that day is coming up soon, since Yuuko's shop is almost done for. And the fact that Syaoran's group in Tsubasa, is just about at the finally part in the story. I just wonder what Watanuki's, Domenki's, and Himawari's roles are going to be? Will they just have to make a wish in the end, in order to help out Syaoran's groupwith Fei Wong Reed?

[Eger-kun]

Well, we know that day is coming up soon, since Yuuko's shop is almost done for. And the fact that Syaoran's group in Tsubasa, is just about at the finally part in the story. I just wonder what Watanuki's, Domenki's, and Himawari's roles are going to be? Will they just have to make a wish in the end, in order to help out Syaoran's groupwith Fei Wong Reed?

well as for Watanuki and Co I am rather thinking that FWR will try getting him or rather Watanuki will be unlocking his utmost potential of being the next Card Captor

[BethhyTheMokona]

Watanuki may be the next Cardcaptor, but I still have to ask where Kero and Yue and the cards are. Was Kero sealed in the book? Will Yue have a new disguise form or will he remain in Yukito's person?
I'm hoping they'll appear later.

[Vande]

As weird as it sounds could the Mokona's be Kero and Yue lol

[Lucis]

If Watanuki indeed became the new Cardcaptor, it would be awesome. About Keroberos and Yue, while I am absolutely sure Keoberos will be inside the Card Book, I think Yue is Shizuka. Both have similar personalities, never smiling, never showing emotion, but always caring and also have a magical feeling in their 'human' forms (Yukito always seemed to be wiser than he looked). The Mokonas might have been based on them along with Mokona from Rayearth.

[Eger-kun]

well that will be pretty cool I guess since he might be as powerful as Clow , Watanuki might find the book later if Yuuko will give the Star Staff to him though as for Kero and Yue , Kero might be on some candy shop digging in some sweets and Yue slacking of the eom side of the streets :lol:

[Asuka_Wind]

Ooh my gosh, that's be so funny is all of that happens XDD It will be a mix of Cardcaptor and XXXHolic now xD

[Ren-san]

Clamp seems to heading in that direction, don't you think? Everything is starting to merge with some of their past series. It would just be so great if this does happen in the end, since that would finally give Watanuki a true purpose in the story, besides just beinh Syaoran's clone.

[Eger-kun]

well other than being a Cardcaptor

/crosses fingers and hope it does happen

Watanuki promised to Yuuko that he will do anything to grant her wish and I hope he will later on . though Clamp is surely heading to this direction though at the moment in xxxholic it seems like it still isn't :/

[Plaumff-chan]

I was wondering though, since Yuuko's shop is unstable, and she said that Watanuki's existence was unstable as well, would that make Watanuki's existence directly linked to the shop?
Is the timeline like a sort of World of its own?
I'm completely confused by this whole 2 timeline thing...-_- sorry if my questions sound a little dumb.
Its just, there's 2 Clow Countries (I think) the one where Clone Sakura and Clone Syaron come from...and the one that was halted in time (which is where Syaoran and Kuro and Fei are now).
So, are there 2 Tokyo's as well...?
And by the way, I loved the theory on Yue being Shizuka! It fitted in my head cause I remembered Yue being particularly attached to Clow so it would make sense if he would want to be close to the boy who resembles him so much.

[Plaumff-chan]

Oh and >_> When Watanuki dropped and left his glasses in the dream World...will that have any particular significance?
I think it's one of those things that look small but in the end, turn out to be really important...like a hitsuzen sort of thing...

[Ren-san]

Oh and >_> When Watanuki dropped and left his glasses in the dream World...will that have any particular significance?
I think it's one of those things that look small but in the end, turn out to be really important...like a hitsuzen sort of thing...

Perhaps, but I need a link of when that happened, so I can remember what you are talking about.

I was wondering though, since Yuuko's shop is unstable, and she said that Watanuki's existence was unstable as well, would that make Watanuki's existence directly linked to the shop?

Anyone that asks Yuuko to grant a wish, is in a sense a part of the shop. Or rather, Yuuko is the shop owner (granter of wishes) and everyone else is the valuable customer for life.

Watanuki's existence is connected more with Syaoran, then with Yuuko's shop. So whether or not the shop survives Watanuki would still survive since the wish was already granted in the past and not in the future.

Is the timeline like a sort of World of its own?

I'm completely confused by this whole 2 timeline thing...-_- sorry if my questions sound a little dumb.
Its just, there's 2 Clow Countries (I think) the one where Clone Sakura and Clone Syaron come from...and the one that was halted in time (which is where Syaoran and Kuro and Fei are now).
So, are there 2 Tokyo's as well...?

Their are multiple cities because each dimension is a dimension of its own. For example, when Kurogane first arrived at Yuuko's shop he asked Yuuko where he was and Yuuko responded to Kurogane by saying that "he was in Japan."

Kurogane responded to this by saying that this was impossible since he was originally from the country of Japan and this place isn't it. Yuuko pretty much said that they were in a different dimension, which has their own versions of Japan.

So "YES," their can be the be similar places in different dimensions.

Also, remember that 1 of the Clow Country's isn't the real Clow Country. I believe it was stated in one of the latest chapters that, Fei Wong Reed, created a imitation of the real Clow Country, which he placed the Clone Sakura and Clone Syaoran in.

[Twi]

SO he tried to waste himself?????
CLAMP has officially screwed my mind over

[Plaumff-chan]

So, since the Spirits were attracted to Watanuki because of his regret and sorrow, then that means that his wish will soon be granted because Watanuki has changed, he pretty much loves being alive and sharing moments with the people he loves, I guess that'll be a pretty good ward against ghost and spirits.
Hmm...that whole thing about his parent's promising to meet him...it reminds me of when he picked up CCS Sakura's staff and said he'd really like to meet that Syaoran and Sakura. (here's the link: http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/124/07/



Oh and Ren-san, thank you for replying ^_^ Here's the link with Watanuki's glasses...what I was talking about before:
http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/146/01/
and
http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/146/10/

[Ren-san]

I don't really know if the glasses that were left behind in that world are going to play an important part in the story later on. To be truthful, the glasses may be way for Watanuki to connect with Syaoran, through the world of dreams again. I guess the main problem that I am having with this question is that the glasses, seem like nothing more than ordinary glasses to me. So I really don't understand what the purpose of the glasses have been up until now in the storyline.

But ever since you mentioned the glasses, I went back to the more recent chapters and see that Watanuki hasn't been wearing any other pair of glasses, then the ones that he usually had on until that point in time. So the glasses probably will play an important role in the future, but I just don't know what role they will play in the future.

[Eger-kun]

hmm I am thinking of the same think myself cause other than a fashion statement that Watanuki doesn't wear glasses and the emphasis of hitsuzen in the whole series maybe his glasses has some kind of powers that his parents give him

and as for the latest chapter , well it's quite a thing for him and I've realized how cruel life can be for him , to the point that he wanted to die ,good thing though Doumeki and Himawari are there to save his life and live his own and good thin too that he traded those awful memories of him (other than the fact that the his parents are the CCS Couple)

[Ren-san]

It was just a bit weird to find out that Watanuki, was the main person who attracted all of the spirits to himself, the whole time. And the falling of the school building was a shocker, since I originally thought that had something to do with Himawari's bad luck curse; not, Watanuki trying to subconsciously kill himself.

[Vande]

Well xxxholic & TRC are that uped it's hard to say what could happen.

[Plaumff-chan]

Mmm...but I don't think Himawari's bad luck didn't have an effect on him.
I think the whole thing with the suicide goes like this: Watanuki was starting to realise that what ever Himawari touched or got close to died, so subconsciously, maybe his mind used Himawari's bad luck to kill himself...v_v

[Ren-san]

That is a realistic enough answer to my question.

Thanks for that point of view, Plaumff-chan.

[Eger-kun]

oh Plauff that's a good one and it's good to see that this thread is alive and kickin and your stand point is quite a good one but I am thinking of the same thing as well for Watanuki's sake though I am still wondering why both him and Syaoran didn't look good

[Asuka_Wind]

Mmm...but I don't think Himawari's bad luck didn't have an effect on him.
I think the whole thing with the suicide goes like this: Watanuki was starting to realise that what ever Himawari touched or got close to died, so subconsciously, maybe his mind used Himawari's bad luck to kill himself...v_v

A very logical theory there ^^ I say this is a really good one so first, we do know Himawari's bad luck had no effect on him so I guess your theory fits perfectly ^^ But there may be some other reasons CLAMP might come up with...

[Vande]

Well 169 is due out today in japan ^^

[Eger-kun]

Well 169 is due out today in japan ^^

really oh that's a great news to here though where are the spoilers ?

[Vande]

really oh that's a great news to here though where are the spoilers ?

Ashura_Sama has not posted them in their LJ. So basically not here.

[Eger-kun]

Ashura_Sama has not posted them in their LJ. So basically not here.

oh ok then Vande ^^ ,well the Raws are up in mangehelpers and it's only a matter of time before it gets scanlated , though I am tired of posting the link :/

[Ren-san]

So just post the main link to the website as your signature. Then everyone that wants to find the RAW's on, MangaHelper, can just click the link on your signature and navigate themselves to the appropriate section on the website and get the information themselves.

Hence, your problem would be solved at that point.

[Vande]

oh ok then Vande ^^ ,well the Raws are up in mangehelpers and it's only a matter of time before it gets scanlated , though I am tired of posting the link :/

Don't be mean ;_; post the raw link.

[Eger-kun]

Don't be mean ;_; post the raw link.

well after I figure out something I think that you are mentioning 169 since 168 was scanlated at OCt 29 already XD and hence I don't have that Raw

@Ren-san , no can do since my Sig can't have more in it (push it to the limits ^^) :P

[BethhyTheMokona]

Chapter 168 is out.

Chapter 169 was due 1st Nov.

I can't find the RAWs anywhere T.T

[Eger-kun]

Chapter 168 is out.

Chapter 169 was due 1st Nov.

I can't find the RAWs anywhere T.T

OH so it's was yesterday well I think it will be up on Mangahelpers later on but I don't know what will be the story about

[BethhyTheMokona]

I checked Mangahelpers and they haven't updted since their last thread: Chapter 168 Discussion/Chapter 169 Predictions.

So, it has been revealed that CCS!Sakura and Syaoran will 'look for you, and will absolutely meet you'.
That promise was in his name. 'Watanuki Kimihiro'. Since it means 'April 1st', is that the day he will meet them?

Also, something has been confusing me. Sakura had received one egg from the Tokyo arc, right? And in the recent chapters, Yuuko mentions that there are two. Had the two eggs divided... like Syaoran and Watanuki?

[Eger-kun]

well I rather think that they will make their appearance later on the show , and it seems that all will happen in that faithful birthday of Watanuki , maybe Yuuko will give the Star Staff to him

[BethhyTheMokona]

:lol:

I can see how much you want Watanuki to be the next new Cardcaptor.
I'm all for it too! It's too easy to picture Watanuki in one of Tomoyo's dresses XD

[Eger-kun]

yes I want it really bad though I can't seen to picture if Watanuki goes to help Syaoran without ample knowledge in magic combat and cards

[Ren-san]

Also, something has been confusing me. Sakura had received one egg from the Tokyo arc, right? And in the recent chapters, Yuuko mentions that there are two. Had the two eggs divided... like Syaoran and Watanuki?

I would think so, since it would fit in with the theme of the series at the moment in time. I doubt that Yuuko received 2 different eggs that had similar properties from 2 different people, cause I don't remember anything like that happening in either Tsubasa or XXXholic.

[DawnShard]

wait...isn't syaoran related to fei wang reed?
if so, that would mean that watanuki is also related to him?
Or am i talking about the wrong Reed?

[Tsuki]

DawnShard: Since both Syaoran and Fei Wang are descendants of Clow Reed, yes, they are related to each other, but I don't think that Fei Wang is related to Watanuki because of he is to Syaoran, because Watanuki isn't some family member of Syaoran, he is a more complex existence related to Syaoran than simple family members...

BethhyTheMokona: Ren-san is right about the eggs. Yuuko received 1 egg from Sakura, but it divided. She said it herself, something that was one became two...

[Eger-kun]

what is the importance to these eggs anyway , all I can remember is that the bird that came from it was immune to Himawari's bad luck and also quite the charmer

[Vande]

The second is with Domeki if i recall.

[Eger-kun]

The second is with Domeki if i recall.

really but I thought that egg didn't hatch and it has some connentions with Watanuki's feelings and doubts as well

[Ren-san]

That is true about the egg not hatching at all. Domenki's egg hasn't hatched yet, which is why it still has some sort of meaning in the future chapters. Although, I wonder what that meaning is going to be later on in the story.

[Plaumff-chan]

Yuuko said it wouldn't hatch into anything, but that it was still special because it survived acid rain...it sounds as though that egg, unlike the other one, doesn't have magical properties...but its strong enough to withstand anything, kind of like Doumeki...

[Ren-san]

Another likely weapon against FWR. If it can withstand anything, then perhaps it can withstand FWR magic.

[Plaumff-chan]

Another likely weapon against FWR. If it can withstand anything, then perhaps it can withstand FWR magic.

I just had an image of the TRC group throwing eggs at FWR...
But yeah, the egg could also be another anchor for Watanuki...I wonder how Domeki will use it.
I was watching the video 'CLAMP in Wonderland 2' (super cute!!) and saw that at the end, CCS Sakura and Syaoran were headed to the final battle with the TRC group. Though it could be just for show, I thought it would be really cute if they did help out...then again, neither Sakura nor Syaoran have their respective magical tools...-_-'

[Vande]

I wonder if it would be possible for the 'spirits' of those who have died to come and aid the group in one huge revenge fest against FWR.

No xxxholic next week

17th Nov - Young Magazine #51 - Chapter 170

[Asuka_Wind]

Oh well, it is going to come out in 2 more weeks.
I would cackle in the background if the spirits did come back and help the Tsubasa gang fight against the big bad FWR xD

[BethhyTheMokona]

I just had an image of the TRC group throwing eggs at FWR...

O.O
So did I. :lol:

I wonder if it would be possible for the 'spirits' of those who have died to come and aid the group in one huge revenge fest against FWR.

No xxxholic next week

17th Nov - Young Magazine #51 - Chapter 170

That's a possibility, it'd be great if the spirits would torture FWR >: D

No xxxholic next week
DX

[Eger-kun]

bakaga there are no xxxholic next week >_< but well it seems like that Fated egg will become a weapon or soemthing taht is useful to Doumeiki (well if he is going to assists Syaoran and Co later one

[Plaumff-chan]

Oh...the story line is back to the present with Watanuki's client...it feels kind of weird...
But anyways, in truth, I don't really think CCS Sakura and Syaoran are dead...Yuuko said that some of the memories Watanuki has are fake and a result from FWR's curse...in Tsubasa RC, when Watanuki was 'born', FWR said to him that he would cause misery to the people around him, starting with his parents. But after that first sentence, Yuuko covered his ears and said 'Don't listen'...maybe that was FWR curse and Yuuko some how stopped it from spreading in Watanuki's mind?
And since Watanuki really believed that...his mind created a sort of dream where his parents are dead...
(here's the link to that chapter:)
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/202/14/

[Ren-san]

I don't fully understand where you are getting that view of the storyline from, Plaumff-chan. Fei Wong Reed never was cursing Watanuki in that chapter. He was just stating the obvious outcome of the wish that Syaoran had just made with Yuuko. Sort of like when Yuuko grants wishes in XXXholic and Watanuki wonders whether or not she can actually she into the future, but Yuuko tells Watanuki that she doesn't need to see into the future to tell what is going to happen because of the fact that certain actions usually promote similar outcomes.

So all Fei Wong Reed was doing in my opinion, was just telling Syaoran what was going to happen to everyone around him, for making a wish that created the distortion known as Watanuki.

Also, where in that link did it say that some of Watanuki's memories are fake?

Even if some of Watanuki's memories are fake, it won't really matter because of the fact that Watanuki already knew that Syaoran parents died when he had his wish granted. Just reread some of the few recent chapters of XXXholic and you will see that Watanuki always knew what happened to Syaoran's parents.

Links:

http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/167/12/

http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/168/01/

[Stripes]

I can't understand what's going on in xxxholic anymore
do I have to read tsubasa RC to understand? lol
im really really lost

[BethhyTheMokona]

You don't have to read TRC to understand but it would help a bit.

[Ren-san]

I can't understand what's going on in xxxholic anymore
do I have to read tsubasa RC to understand? lol
im really really lost

I would recommend that you do read the Tsubasa series, since the 2 manga's are going to continue merging together for a while.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Also, I think TRC is more epic and emotional. Since I just read TRC chapters 160-180, I am crying all over again.

T.T

[Asuka_Wind]

Chapter 169 of XXXHolic was interesting..but very awkward that gives you a weird feeling. She thinks everything around her in disgusting? (Not really everything..)

At least Watanuki finally decided to think, "I want to be here." ^^

[Ren-san]

Perhaps, that was the significance this person was to bring to the whole interaction between the two. As you just stated, Watanuki has finally made his decision to continue living despite the fact that he once wished to die.

I just wonder if their is anything else all that special about this interaction between the two of them. Otherwise, something big is going to happen in both worlds.

[Asuka_Wind]

It does look like the topic between Watanuki and that woman is getting more serious right now, so I am getting a weird feeling.

[Plaumff-chan]

I don't fully understand where you are getting that view of the storyline from, Plaumff-chan. Fei Wong Reed never was cursing Watanuki in that chapter. He was just stating the obvious outcome of the wish that Syaoran had just made with Yuuko. Sort of like when Yuuko grants wishes in XXXholic and Watanuki wonders whether or not she can actually she into the future, but Yuuko tells Watanuki that she doesn't need to see into the future to tell what is going to happen because of the fact that certain actions usually promote similar outcomes.

So all Fei Wong Reed was doing in my opinion, was just telling Syaoran what was going to happen to everyone around him, for making a wish that created the distortion known as Watanuki.

Also, where in that link did it say that some of Watanuki's memories are fake?

Even if some of Watanuki's memories are fake, it won't really matter because of the fact that Watanuki already knew that Syaoran parents died when he had his wish granted. Just reread some of the few recent chapters of XXXholic and you will see that Watanuki always knew what happened to Syaoran's parents.



Mmm...you do have a point. I had forgotten about that, you explained it a bit better, thank you. But still, I wonder how they will come and meet him, like Yuuko says about the promise...

http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/168/12/

[Eger-kun]

Mmm...you do have a point. I had forgotten about that, you explained it a bit better, thank you. But still, I wonder how they will come and meet him, like Yuuko says about the promise...

http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/168/12/

well it's either CLAMP will let him meet them on a dream again or well a illusion later on since they are already dead

oh on a side note is 169 out on OM already

[Melinda-chan]

Yes here it is: Here you go. (http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/169/)

[Eger-kun]

Yes here it is: Here you go. (http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/169/)

thanks Melinda-chan

and well that is quite short for a holic chapter and well looks like Watanuki has the same feelings like of the clone Syaoran and well if the mind forgets the body still remembers or something along those lines

[Asuka_Wind]

The new chapter for Tsubasa was also short as well (15 pages, chapter 204)
It's now said that they have the same wish or something like that.

[Lone_ant]

http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/167/05/

Er, that staff.. I don't remember seeing that in CCS (well, I didn't watch all of it though..) though, what did she wish for?

Wonder what would really happen if Watanuki died eh?

[Asuka_Wind]

You mean the Star Staff?? If you watch the whole anime of CCS, you will know later on...But I'm sure it should say in (either Tsubasa or XXXHolic) what she wished for but what chapter are you on in XXXHolic?

[WindChild]

Wonder what would really happen if Watanuki died eh?

We most likely won't be posting in this thread lol! :lol:

[Lone_ant]

I'm at the most recent chapter, 169. So it's not yet stated what Sakura wished for eh? (This is CCS Sakura which is in a diffrent dimension than Watanuki am I right?)

Anyway I remember now what the Star Staff is for (it's for Changing the Clow Cards to Sakura Cards right? i.e. the source of her real power).

[jirachis_best_friend]

I'm not sure what the Star Staff is for because I have to finish the CCS manga but I'm really wondering why that woman finds everything she does so disgusting! I mean, she's marrying a man she's met just three times, and she sits there and only thinks about how disgusting her clothes are and everything.... She won't even eat her own food... I mean like.... I just don't understand why she thinks that...

[Plaumff-chan]

I'm not sure what the Star Staff is for because I have to finish the CCS manga but I'm really wondering why that woman finds everything she does so disgusting! I mean, she's marrying a man she's met just three times, and she sits there and only thinks about how disgusting her clothes are and everything.... She won't even eat her own food... I mean like.... I just don't understand why she thinks that...

Maybe she can see or sense things, like that black smoke people get in the manga when they have bad habits.
Kohane's mother wouldn't touch her daughter because deep down, she knew she wasn't 'clean'.
Though I wonder, Doumeki did say that when he ate her food, he couldn't taste or sense any personality in her...no quirks or feelings.
Its possible, to hate yourself that much. Its hard to be completely clean of sin, maybe she's just focusing too much on the bad...to the extent of erasing herself.
But yeah...weird.

[jirachis_best_friend]

That's right... Doumeki didn't like her food... I find it especially weird that she tells all this to Watanuki-kun with a smile on her face... Like she's fine with it. She hates herself that much... Possibly they're reveal why she does next chapter. When does the next one come out?

[Asuka_Wind]

I'm at the most recent chapter, 169. So it's not yet stated what Sakura wished for eh? (This is CCS Sakura which is in a diffrent dimension than Watanuki am I right?)


What the Sakura from CCS wished for was for her son (Real little Syaoran) to travel to the other world (Clow Country) where his destined person awaited (Real little Sakura), and she used her staff as payment.

[Vande]

When does the next one come out?

The next chapter is due out on the 17th Nov in Japan.

[jirachis_best_friend]

Oh, okay! Thanks ^^

[Lone_ant]

What the Sakura from CCS wished for was for her son (Real little Syaoran) to travel to the other world (Clow Country) where his destined person awaited (Real little Sakura), and she used her staff as payment.

Ah I see,.. I see. It's all come together now.

*click* There. I understand it. It all comes together now! O_O

Now all that's left is to see who FWR wants to revive.. (I'm betting some daughter of his)

[Plaumff-chan]

Ah I see,.. I see. It's all come together now.

*click* There. I understand it. It all comes together now! O_O

Now all that's left is to see who FWR wants to revive.. (I'm betting some daughter of his)

Its really nagging at me...who does he want to revive? It can't be Clow (dunno why...maybe its because Yuuko said that not even Clow could completely revive someone)...
And he keeps saying to Syaoran: 'We'll see if both our wishes have the same end.'
And, when he mentions that part of his plan, that look of pure malice and evil vanishes and he just seems to be in a lot of pain...
Anyone have any theories?

[jirachis_best_friend]

Its really nagging at me...who does he want to revive? It can't be Clow (dunno why...maybe its because Yuuko said that not even Clow could completely revive someone)...
And he keeps saying to Syaoran: 'We'll see if both our wishes have the same end.'
And, when he mentions that part of his plan, that look of pure malice and evil vanishes and he just seems to be in a lot of pain...
Anyone have any theories?


Anyone wanna tie it in with Pegasus from Yu-Gi-Oh and say it's a lost lover? Or maybe it could be Sakura's parents or someone from the CCS world? Hrm...

[Vande]

You know, i wondered if Xinghou (sp) is a failed creation to clone a lover / daughter

[Plaumff-chan]

You know, i wondered if Xinghou (sp) is a failed creation to clone a lover / daughter

Mmm...that's what I was thinking too. It would make sense if before making the big wish, FWR tried a few experiments.
"Considering your origins, I suppose it couldn't have been helped" is what he said when she helped Syaoran escape...
>_> I notice weird stuff...but she used the Sun circle to send Syaoran to Yuuko...-_-
http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/115/17/

[Lone_ant]

Can someone post the different Magic Circles.. maybe we can see some underlying connection..

And yes, I agree with Xinghuo being a clone of her daughter/lover.. but to be able to kill her so ruthlessly? I guess FWR is just too twisted =/

[Eger-kun]

well I rather see Xinghou being Sakura's mom clone since well he did help the Real TRC Syaoran escaped the clutches of FWR

and well as for the recent chapter sure that was quite short and well looks like there is still more to the girl than meets the eye and yet I am somewhat disgusted of her philosophy and such

[Lone_ant]

Her philosophy? I don't remember that she ever talked at length.. can you elaborate on that?

[jirachis_best_friend]

She basically thought everything she did was 'disgusting'. Such as her clothes, the food she makes, everything. She won't eat her own food because she thinks it's 'disgusting'. She thinks meeting with people too many times is 'disgusting' so she's marrying a man she met only 3 times.

[Eger-kun]

oh jirachi already said what was I am going to say but well mere fact that she has that philosophy in life is really disturbing.. so if she had a child she'll be disgusted on it as well since she made it herself together with her husband :lol:

[jirachis_best_friend]

I don't know why... it really bugs me someone would think like that...

[Eger-kun]

I don't know why... it really bugs me someone would think like that...

at least she is better than FWR in thinking, since that guy is sinister and all and well a ventriloquist as well

[jirachis_best_friend]

Ahh, that's true

[BethhyTheMokona]

That woman and her husband... I can't imagine a marriage like that, though.
T.T

A formal marriage? I can't agree with that.

[Vande]

at least she is better than FWR in thinking, since that guy is sinister and all and well a ventriloquist as well

I think we can all just about agree with that.

[Asuka_Wind]

It is true that I agree with that as well, but It is also true that this woman really is disturbing and creeping me. When she said she thought everything was disgusting with a seemingly happy face , I got the shivers instantly on how she can say all of that and still (maybe pretending) smiling.

[Vande]

Sched update from mangahelpers:

11/22 - Young Magazine #52 - Chapter 170
12/01 - Young Magazine #01 - No XXXHOLiC scheduled
12/08 - Young Magazine #02 - No XXXHOLiC scheduled

[Plaumff-chan]

Can someone post the different Magic Circles.. maybe we can see some underlying connection..
=/


There's the Sun circle, which was used by Clow (because he derived his power from the Sun...or his power was like the Sun...I need to re read CCS for that....)

There's the Star circle, which is CCS Sakura's circle (and..Star because Eriol said her magic was much more like a Star, it started out small but grew bigger and more powerful with time.)

And, there's the Moon circle...I think...or there's the magical circles that Yuuko uses.


Ok...so the apprentice cook/Watanuki's student. I think that prior to her realizing everything around her is disgusting, maybe she cooked and ate her own cooking and didn't hate herself so much.
So, even if her mind now registers all the disgustingness, her body hasn't forgotten the niceness of eating the food she makes, or being with loved ones for longer than 3 days.

And I can't help but think that Watanuki is stepping closer to becoming Yuuko's successor. The determination he had in his eyes on that last panel...

[Asuka_Wind]

But what could have happen to make her think everything around her is so horrible in her own eyes? XXXHolic really have some abnormal characters but maybe our world really have these kind of people as well..xD

[Pseudonym]

Hi, peepz!

I'm somewhat new on this manga, but currently reading Chapter 85. I like that Zashiki lady. Kimihiro and that sprite lady should hang out more often.

[Lucis]

You know, I'm heading for Watanuki being the Card Captor's sucessor and aiming to sucess Yuko too.

[Eger-kun]

Hi, peepz!

I'm somewhat new on this manga, but currently reading Chapter 85. I like that Zashiki lady. Kimihiro and that sprite lady should hang out more often.

well hope you have fun with the series then Pseudoym

You know, I'm heading for Watanuki being the Card Captor's sucessor and aiming to sucess Yuko too.

oh is that so , and well that makes two of us then since the only way for him to become strong is well became either a cardcaptor like her mom or a cardhunter like her dad XD

[Pseudonym]

^ So far I'm starting to like the series, but being a newcomer to seinen type manga, I may need re-reading to fully understand the series. Lots of comic scenes, though, especially with Yuko's craving for sake. :lol:

[Lucis]

^ So far I'm starting to like the series, but being a newcomer to seinen type manga, I may need re-reading to fully understand the series. Lots of comic scenes, though, especially with Yuko's craving for sake. :lol:
Yeah, it has reached a point where I have to re-read Tsubasa and xxxHolic again to understand it totally. But the time for it...

[Ren-san]

That is the funny part about this series, it is one of those series where I can actually say that I can re-read a couple of times, and not get bored of the series. Most series don't have that sort of power of me the way CLAMP Series does.

[Pseudonym]

Yeah, it has reached a point where I have to re-read Tsubasa and xxxHolic again to understand it totally. But the time for it...

Since xxxHolic is composed of story arcs, re-reading them maybe easier than TRC.

[BethhyTheMokona]

Pseudonym, have you started to read TRC yet?

And the new xxxHolic chapter 170 is released today.
But then it's a two week break! I guess CLAMP is focusing on the TRC new chapters. But, knowing CLAMP, they'll only leave us on a cliffhanger and a two week wait. D'X

[Lucis]

Since xxxHolic is composed of story arcs, re-reading them maybe easier than TRC.
Yeah, xxxHolic was easier for me to read since the artwork wasn't as distractive as Tsubasa's, but I don't have the time (or patience) to re-read it all over again.

Do you guys think that Mokona will ever replace Watanuki's memory? I think he'll need it to use the Star Staff. If he ever gets to use it...

[Pseudonym]

Betthy: Not yet, but I browsed some chapters of particularly Volume 15 and 17. Currently, I'm on Chpater 91 of xxxHolic. Zashiki is really fond of Watanuki, eh? I really like her character.

[Eger-kun]

lolz I did'nt have to re-read it to fully understand it , that's why I am here ranting in this thread to clear something up though I rather like Zashiki as well back then but overall the new girl is much better even though her personality is quite disturbing

[Pseudonym]

^ Actually I want her to be with Watanuki more than Himawari. Not that I dislike Himawari, but Zashiki is better for me.

Oh, and Himawari reminds me of Konoka of Negima! :lol:

[Eger-kun]

same here Pseudonym since most of the time Himawari is somewhat of a Air Head and well kind of oblivious towards Watanuki

[Pseudonym]

Her classic remark is: You two get along so well, referring to Watanuki and Domeki exchanging sarcasms. That never ceases to make me smile.

[Eger-kun]

Her classic remark is: You two get along so well, referring to Watanuki and Domeki exchanging sarcasms. That never ceases to make me smile.

well I can't really say I like it since all in all I was rooting for the two of them after she took the scar from Watanuki's near death injury and hide the fact from him

[BethhyTheMokona]

I like Zashiki because she's so cute and innocent ^^
But Himiwari is best suited with Watanuki in my opinion because I know her most. And I'm sure Zashiki is kind enough to accept his happiness rather than his love.

By the way, congrats Eger-kun~~
First a CT, then a scanlator label.
You're on a role this week : D

[Ren-san]

I like for Himiwari to end up with Watanuki in the end, instead of having Zashiki being together with Watanuki. For some reason, I just don't think that Zashiki and Watanuki would be able to hit it off all that well. I can't really explain why at the moment. Too many confusing thoughts in my head, which aren't allowing me to make sense of the reasons.

Also, congrats Eger-kun, for becoming a scanlator!!

[Lucis]

I like for Himiwari to end up with Watanuki in the end, instead of having Zashiki being together with Watanuki. For some reason, I just don't think that Zashiki and Watanuki would be able to hit it off all that well. I can't really explain why at the moment. Too many confusing thoughts in my head, which aren't allowing me to make sense of the reasons.

Also, congrats Eger-kun, for becoming a scanlator!!
I want Himawari x Watanuki, since Himawari is my favorite CLAMP character, being so cute and stylish. We can see in 119 how serious she can become too.

[Ren-san]

Yeah, that is true as well. I also think that Himiwari has also been playing around in her relationship with Watanuki and Domenki. Since in certain chapters it seems like Himiwari is being more serious, then what appears in other chapters. It makes me wonder why she doesn't act that way around Watanuki, but she doesn't act that way around Domenki when the 2 of them are alone.

[Eger-kun]

I like for Himiwari to end up with Watanuki in the end, instead of having Zashiki being together with Watanuki. For some reason, I just don't think that Zashiki and Watanuki would be able to hit it off all that well. I can't really explain why at the moment. Too many confusing thoughts in my head, which aren't allowing me to make sense of the reasons.

Also, congrats Eger-kun, for becoming a scanlator!!

thanks though I was already one even before the red tag (about a month ago)

Zashiki relationship with Watanuki might work imo though it would last that long since she is quite the clumsy and the insecure as well and it won't really blend with Watanuki's personality

[Lucis]

You know, a new idea came into my mind. Himawari knows more than she shows and Yuuko knows it too (the ghost story arc). She will be important soon.

God, so many things CLAMP has to settle and we are nearing the end. Will they do it?

[Vande]

Dunno if they will or not - they just better :p

[Eger-kun]

You know, a new idea came into my mind. Himawari knows more than she shows and Yuuko knows it too (the ghost story arc). She will be important soon.

God, so many things CLAMP has to settle and we are nearing the end. Will they do it?

well that is a possibly as well but I don't know on how they explain it simply because she just recently knew about Yuuko's wishing shop

[Lucis]

well that is a possibly as well but I don't know on how they explain it simply because she just recently knew about Yuuko's wishing shop
She manifestated it only due to Domeki, right? Don't forget you will only be allowed inside the shop with a wish to fulfill.

[Aine]

Perhaps, Himiwari always knew about Yuuko's shop, but didn't want to have a wish of hers granted. She could have been waiting for someone to come along in the future and like her for who she is. Sort of like when Watanuki confessed to Himiwari about how he truly felt about her when he was resting at Yuuko's shop after sustaining the injuries from falling off of the school second story window.

[Asuka_Wind]

Usually, minor characters will take a big roles later on in the story but XXXHolic is already in its final arc, so not very sure about the possibility of squeezing in Himawari in there as an important character.

[Vande]

Franky House just released 170 :)

[Eger-kun]

Franky House just released 170 :)

Yay hope it will be up on OM in an hour since it is already an hour half past midnight here

/crosses fingers

[Ren-san]

Not really all that much happens in this chapter though.

The old fortune-telling lady confirms the fact that Watanuki's parents aren't dead yet, which wasn't anything new to Yuuko at the moment in time. Since Watanuki wasn't in Yuuko's shop at the moment, he didn't get the message that the old fortune-telling lady wanted to give to him. So he will just have to wait until later on for the information.

The biggest event that happened in this chapter is the fact that Yuuko and Haruka have finally had an appearance together. Which the 2 of them just hoped that everyone gets to have their wishes realized in the end.

[Vande]

Woa woa woa
I'd say the Watanuki parents thing is a BIG much.

[Asuka_Wind]

Hopes it gets released soon here too. It's getting late here so I might read it when it's out tomorrow morning..-_-

[Ren-san]

Woa woa woa
I'd say the Watanuki parents thing is a BIG much.

Well, reading spoilers has that kind of effect on people. Since my initial reaction to this situation has already occurred in the past, I don't have the same strong feelings of excitement that some people are having now. I have already talked this over with my friends, so this possibility has already become some what old between us. That's all.

[Sabbo]

The translator's note at the end seems odd. Sure "butterfly's dream" would mean something else (as the note was trying to figure out), but as I see it, "the butterfly's dream" is also referencing Yuuko's animal sybolism of being a butterfly, or something to that effect.

So as I see it, "The butterfly's dream" can in this case also be seen as "Yuuko's dream".

[Azamiko]

Actually, I think the butterfly there might refer to Watanuki. There's an old story--I think it was Japanese--about a man who dreamt he was a butterfly, and the dream was so real that when he woke up, he didn't know whether he was a man who'd dreamt of being a butterfly, or if he was a butterfly dreaming of being a man.

What Haruka is saying is that he wants Watanuki to wake up and realize his existence AS Watanuki, a person. Right now, Watanuki wants to exist as himself, but he's still not positive that he has the right to and sometimes thinks of himself as nothing more than a dream of a person.

[Eger-kun]

I am with Azamiko here about the Butterfly Dream and such

but well I didn't expect that there are still a chance for Watanuki's parents being alone but well now that they are not in That World

guess Clamp was bashed or something to reconsider their status lolz

[Azamiko]

Hm, I wonder if CLAMP is the type who'd give in to pressure like that? After all, they've killed off LOTS of characters before, including Icchan from Angelic Layer. I don't see why they would be bothered by killing of Sakura and Syaoran.

[finalnight]

Wtf was that the spirit of domeki's grandfather?

The end-staging continues!

[Azamiko]

Yeah...You couldn't tell? Honestly, I don't think they look exactly the same--it's not difficult to tell them apart at all anymore. Haruka's head is smaller. >_> He's actually kind of funny-looking...

[Lone_ant]

! they're alive? What have they been doing then?... FWR's prisoners?

So.. how come they were able to talk? I don't think that scene was a dream, with the telephone and all.. (well since it's Yuuko that we're talking about , I guess it's not impossible).

[Mulberrytree]

"The butterfly's dream" refers to the ancient story of the philosopher and the butterfly.
Once upon a time a philosopher was dreaming that he was a butterfly. He was fluttering around and didn't remember being a man. When he awoke he asked himself if he was a man dreaming of being a butterfly or if he was a butterfly dreaming of being a man.

It fits well with the whole Watanuki/Syaoran story line. (Don't know if anyone's following that in Tsubasa, but (spoiler) Watanuki is the person created to take Syaoran's place in time, kind of a dimensional warp. )

[Sheathed]

Didn't expected that wata/syao's parents still alive. I hope we get to see their faces soon

[Ren-san]

Thanks, Azamiko and Mulberrrytree, for the short explanations about the whole butterfly thing. I wasn't sure where Clamp got that idea from.

[Pirogoeth]

Who knows where CLAMP got those phrases from...-starts to think-....maybe from old literature texts and phrases used by historical figures?

I do hope that Watanuki's parents are all right

The parents of Watanuki might be Sakura and Syaoran from TRC! Just wild guesses here!

[Vande]

As OM aint got it up yet - here are the 2 pages that i posted in the TRC thread last night


Syaoran and Sakura in CCS are not dead....

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9784/xxxholicch17005fi8.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxxholicch17005fi8.png)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3346/xxxholicch17006gm5.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xxxholicch17006gm5.png)

[Plaumff-chan]

So, his parents are still alive. X_X Woa...living in another World...
Perhaps they are the clone Syaoran and Sakura...no wait >_> maybe you're right Pirogoeth.
I wonder why at that moment, the old lady was able to see this? I guess its because Watanuki has changed.
Why didn't she just tell Watanuki when he was there...ah, nevermind, he'll find out soon enough.
I'm guessing that the reason why Yuuko and Haruka were finally able to meet is because Worlds are converging because that moment is approaching, or has finally arrived.