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SilentBuddhist

09-10-2008, 04:33 AM

Continuing from the last Gantz thread. (Link) (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=24204)

Last 5 posts:

i don't think that's an issue now because anyone can see them on missions. i think the old rules don't apply.

oh, well according to the rules it looks like only one of us needs to nominate Hoi Hoi so who should we replace it with?

hahaha
damn i should of nominated hoi hoi

we gotta make sure kei kurono wins!
this battle.. agghh
haha

panda forever!! (also nominated Hoi-Hoi)

obviously the panda would win because it is a panda.

I think it'd be a more traumatizing angle for Tae to find the bodies and then see him the next day but then that just might lead to her discovering the secret of Gantz again and having to be killed lol.

I remember I had googled Gantz the other day and came across a forum where one of the threads were titled "Panda vs. Dog"

they literally were having deep/playful discussion about who would either win a fight or get more points in a Gantz mission:lol:

Seems the dog doesn't have a chance.
Heh. I feel I should be deleting some posts since some are starting to turn into little quips, but I'll let them be for now so long as it doesn't persist. But way to show some spirit! Give your support to Kei in the OMCB if you haven't already, he's gonna need it big time to get past this hurdle! *wants to put his supposedly awesome post in here but can't do it without feeling like gloating*

Raptor

09-10-2008, 04:39 AM

I tell you guys, the panda will probly be the surprise survivor of the series. Katou? pffft. Kei? No way. Host Vamp? You wish.

Hoi Hoi pwns all.

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-10-2008, 04:47 AM

To think I thought the last thread would've lasted until the new chap come out.

So who do you guys think would've one in a fight Hoi Hoi or the dog?

Yes I know I'm brought myself to not go crazy speculating about the possibilities of the spoilers.

Shinsou

09-10-2008, 06:38 AM

Hoi Hoi would win of course she spent her time not only hugging Izumi, but learning how to be an awesome Gantzer. :lol:

@SB
I am suprised you did not put that post at the top of this thread. It was awesome. :D

Atori

09-10-2008, 05:05 PM

yah HoiHoi would own butter dog lol But man i was thinking b4 HoiHoi got the 40 points that izumi might just stay dead because of how he died(least i thought it was good espically the last words he said lol) but with HoiHoi he might bring him back >.<

but man that catstrophy thing sounds pretty coo. didnt they say like a week till it happens to? So im guessing that will be the nxt mission had thought they didnt go on missions but like once or twice a month >.<

But im seriously hopeing that this doesnt forshadow the end of the series >.< If Gantz ended idk if i could find another series to wait for as much as i did on this one :\

Hardedge

09-10-2008, 05:06 PM

Rough translation of the script.

0280 崩壊の序曲[編]
280 Prelude to the collapse

【玄野計、復活！かつてのメンバーが集う。新・展・開！！】
Kei Kurono, Revived ! Old teammates are gathered together. New Arc Begins.

玄野「えっ」
Kurono: Well

加藤「計ちゃん」
Kato: Kei-chan

鈴木「おかえり…」
Suzuki (old man): Hi

玄野「は？」
Kurono: ?

ガンツを見ると、玄野が０点の表示
Gantz showed Kurono with 0 total points.

加藤「どこまで記憶してる？」
Kato : How far back do you remember?

玄野「え…と…オニ星人…をやって１００点とって…１番を選んで自由に……あ？あれ？０点？」
Kurono: Hmmm, Oni Alien, and I got 100 points, I selected option 1 for freedom, Oh? Huh? Goose egg ?

加藤「…」
Kato : ...

レイカ「あのね…玄野君一度自由になったの…でもね…外で…ミッションと関係なく死んでしまったの…」
Reika :You know… Kurono-san, you became free once, went ouside, and died outside of missions.

玄野「俺！？え！？死んだ！？……あれ？今…いつ？」
Kurono: Me! Dead! ... Huh? How long have I …

鈴木「オニ星人のときから一ヶ月はたってるよね」
Suzuki (old man): It is about a month since the Oni Alien mission.

桜井「そうですね」
Sakura:well

鈴木「だからね…加藤君が頑張って１００点獲ってね」
Suzuki (old man): So you know, fortunately, Kato san reached 100 points.

玄野「加藤…なんで…おまえ、弟養わなきゃ…」
Kurono: Kato ... why, You have a brother to take care of.

加藤「……また最初からだけど…計ちゃん…一緒に自由になろうぜ」
Kato: I thought about it in the beginning, but Kei-chan, you should be free with your girlfriend.

玄野「あ…ありがとう」
Kurono:th.. thank you.

加藤と玄野が握手する
Kato and Kurono shake hands.

玄野「俺…なんで死んだの？」
Kurono: I ... How did I die?

桜井「バンパイアに…あいつらに襲撃されて…」
Sakura: They .. vampires atttacked you.

玄野「！？」
Kurono: !?

玄野が氷川ときるびる（女吸血鬼）を見る
Kurono sees HS and "kill bill" (female vampire).

玄野「あっアイツッなんでここにいんだよ」
Kurono: Why are you here?

氷川が刀を召喚する
HS summons the sword out of his hand.

玄野「なっんだよテメエッ」
Kurono:

加藤「計ちゃん。あいつらももうここの住人なんだ。ここでやりあっても意味がない」
Kato: Kei-chan. They are no member of our group. I don't know what this means.

加藤に止められ、玄野は渋々納得する
Kato stops the fight. Kurono is slowly convinced.

西「あ～あ。もう…どうでもいいことでおまえらっつったら、今…どういう状況か知らねーで呑気なもんだな… 」
Nishi: Oh. It does not matter who you go after. Now, this situation requires you to swallow your pride.

加藤「あ？」
Kato:oh?

西「どーでもいーって。誰が誰を助けようが死のうが生きようが」
Nishi: But I do. Anyone who can help you live should not die.

西がガンツの中の内部の男に手を突っ込む
Nishi put his hand on the man inside the Gantz ball.

西「ガンツ。Katastrophe」
Nishi: Gantz. Katastrophe.

ガンツに表示されたのは数字
Gantz displays some numbers.

０００６８４９０１

西「いいか…これが人類に残された時間だ」
Nishi: I do… This is the time left for mankind.

０００６８４８１９

カウントダウンされている
It continues to count down.

加藤「何か…これからおこるのか？」
Kato: Why? What does it mean?

西「そーそ。始まっちゃうんだよ」
Nishi: It is beginning.

玄野「何だよ…何が始まるっつんだよ」
Kurono:Beginning of what?

西「核戦争ってのが有力な見解だけどまだハッキリは判ってはいない……けどこれだけは言える」
Nishi: It is likely nuclear war, but I do not know yet what is this catastrophe

西「これまで人類が築きあげてきた価値観はすべて崩れ去る。強力な軍備を持つ者が地上を支配する。おまえらなんか真っ先に死んじまう」
Nishi: All the good VALUE SYSTEMS people have built up over the years are collapsing. Might makes right. That is the first thing I said when I died.

稲葉「何言ってんだ。わけわかんね…」
Inaba:What are you talking about? I do not know.

西「まあいいや。今…のんびり互助会やってる場合じゃねーってことそのカウンターよく見て俺の言ったことよく話し合って考えたらいいぜ」
Nishi:That's OK. … I'll take it easy when your self-help group are doing well. Look at the counter and my words.

西が部屋から出ていった
Nishi went out of the room

玄野「核戦争だって？」
Kurono: Nuclear war?

桜井「あいつ何がしたいんだ…いきなりなんなんだ…」
Sakura: He is what I want to be, suddenly…

加藤「クソッ何なんだ。核戦争とか…」
Kato: what to do. nuclear war.

レイカ「あと７日と２３時間。あと一週間ちょっと…」
Reika: After 7 day and 23 hours. Just about one week.

ガンツに表示されてるカウントは
Gantz counter is now
０００６８４６３７

【死闘の果て…安息はもう許されない】
Fight for life's end. Standing around is not allowed.

【次回、世界崩壊までのわずかな時間。それぞれの想いは！？次回９月２５日木曜】
Next chapter, world collapse in a few hours. What will they be thinking about ! Next chapter, 9/25, Thursday.

R the Vampire

09-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Alas Kei is Back!

Assault him again...that bastard made us wait for months...kill him painfully!

no wait...leave him be...he's gonna die by any freaking way possible...

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 05:49 PM

Rough translation of the script.

0280 崩壊の序曲[編]
280 Prelude to the collapse

【玄野計、復活！かつてのメンバーが集う。新・展・開！！】
Kei Kurono, Revived ! Old teammates are gathered together. New Arc Begins.

玄野「えっ」
Kurono: Well

加藤「計ちゃん」
Kato: Kei-chan
鈴木「おかえり…」
Suzuki (old man): Hi

玄野「は？」
Kurono: ?

ガンツを見ると、玄野が０点の表示
Gantz showed Kurono with 0 total points.

加藤「どこまで記憶してる？」
Kato : How far back do you remember?

玄野「え…と…オニ星人…をやって１００点とって…１番を選んで自由に……あ？あれ？０点？」
Kurono: Hmmm, Oni Alien, and I got 100 points, I selected option 1 for freedom, Oh? Huh? Goose egg ?

加藤「…」
Kato : ...

レイカ「あのね…玄野君一度自由になったの…でもね…外で…ミッションと関係なく死んでしまったの…」
Reika :You know… Kurono-san, you became free once, went ouside, and died outside of missions.

玄野「俺！？え！？死んだ！？……あれ？今…いつ？」
Kurono: Me! Dead! ... Huh? How long have I …

鈴木「オニ星人のときから一ヶ月はたってるよね」
Suzuki (old man): It is about a month since the Oni Alien mission.

桜井「そうですね」
Sakura:well

鈴木「だからね…加藤君が頑張って１００点獲ってね」
Suzuki (old man): So you know, fortunately, Kato san reached 100 points.

玄野「加藤…なんで…おまえ、弟養わなきゃ…」
Kurono: Kato ... why, You have a brother to take care of.

加藤「……また最初からだけど…計ちゃん…一緒に自由になろうぜ」
Kato: I thought about it in the beginning, but Kei-chan, you should be free with your girlfriend.

玄野「あ…ありがとう」
Kurono:th.. thank you.

加藤と玄野が握手する
Kato and Kurono shake hands.

玄野「俺…なんで死んだの？」
Kurono: I ... How did I die?

桜井「バンパイアに…あいつらに襲撃されて…」
Sakura: They .. vampires atttacked you.

玄野「！？」
Kurono: !?

玄野が氷川ときるびる（女吸血鬼）を見る
Kurono sees HS and "kill bill" (female vampire).

玄野「あっアイツッなんでここにいんだよ」
Kurono: Why are you here?

氷川が刀を召喚する
HS summons the sword out of his hand.

玄野「なっんだよテメエッ」
Kurono:

加藤「計ちゃん。あいつらももうここの住人なんだ。ここでやりあっても意味がない」
Kato: Kei-chan. They are no member of our group. I don't know what this means.

加藤に止められ、玄野は渋々納得する
Kato stops the fight. Kurono is slowly convinced.

西「あ～あ。もう…どうでもいいことでおまえらっつったら、今…どういう状況か知らねーで呑気なもんだな… 」
Nishi: Oh. It does not matter who you go after. Now, this situation requires you to swallow your pride.

加藤「あ？」
Kato:oh?

西「どーでもいーって。誰が誰を助けようが死のうが生きようが」
Nishi: But I do. Anyone who can help you live should not die.

西がガンツの中の内部の男に手を突っ込む
Nishi put his hand on the man inside the Gantz ball.

西「ガンツ。Katastrophe」
Nishi: Gantz. Katastrophe.

ガンツに表示されたのは数字
Gantz displays some numbers.

０００６８４９０１

西「いいか…これが人類に残された時間だ」
Nishi: I do… This is the time left for mankind.

０００６８４８１９

カウントダウンされている
It continues to count down.

加藤「何か…これからおこるのか？」
Kato: Why? What does it mean?

西「そーそ。始まっちゃうんだよ」
Nishi: It is beginning.

玄野「何だよ…何が始まるっつんだよ」
Kurono:Beginning of what?

西「核戦争ってのが有力な見解だけどまだハッキリは判ってはいない……けどこれだけは言える」
Nishi: It is likely nuclear war, but I do not know yet what is this catastrophe

西「これまで人類が築きあげてきた価値観はすべて崩れ去る。強力な軍備を持つ者が地上を支配する。おまえらなんか真っ先に死んじまう」
Nishi: All the good VALUE SYSTEMS people have built up over the years are collapsing. Might makes right. That is the first thing I said when I died.

稲葉「何言ってんだ。わけわかんね…」
Inaba:What are you talking about? I do not know.

西「まあいいや。今…のんびり互助会やってる場合じゃねーってことそのカウンターよく見て俺の言ったことよく話し合って考えたらいいぜ」
Nishi:That's OK. … I'll take it easy when your self-help group are doing well. Look at the counter and my words.

西が部屋から出ていった
Nishi went out of the room

玄野「核戦争だって？」
Kurono: Nuclear war?

桜井「あいつ何がしたいんだ…いきなりなんなんだ…」
Sakura: He is what I want to be, suddenly…

加藤「クソッ何なんだ。核戦争とか…」
Kato: what to do. nuclear war.

レイカ「あと７日と２３時間。あと一週間ちょっと…」
Reika: After 7 day and 23 hours. Just about one week.

ガンツに表示されてるカウントは
Gantz counter is now
０００６８４６３７

【死闘の果て…安息はもう許されない】
Fight for life's end. Standing around is not allowed.

【次回、世界崩壊までのわずかな時間。それぞれの想いは！？次回９月２５日木曜】
Next chapter, world collapse in a few hours. What will they be thinking about ! Next chapter, 9/25, Thursday.

Well thanks for spoiling the whole ****ing chapter.lol Great.... you know I like finding the whole story out on my own. No offense, nice spoilers and all but I didn't want the whole chapter ruined for me. *slams head into table*
Alas Kei is Back!

Assault him again...that bastard made us wait for months...kill him painfully!

no wait...leave him be...he's gonna die by any freaking way possible...

Exscuse me? Who are you referring to?:confused:

I have some more spoilers. Here is a link to a thread with some.

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1003796

Mrdelta

09-10-2008, 06:39 PM

Well thanks for spoiling the whole ****ing chapter.lol Great.... you know I like finding the whole story out on my own. No offense, nice spoilers and all but I didn't want the whole chapter ruined for me. *slams head into table*

no one forced you to read the spoilers.

hoi hoi vs butter dog, both in gantz suits, armed with guns and fighting serously, I think butter dog has the advantage. if it's as is now it would be a long boring battle with the panda eventually squashing the dog.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 06:41 PM

no one forced you to read the spoilers.

Alas you do not understand sarcasm.lol

Any who, I found another translation of the chapter and I am pretty sure it's a direct translation ,I found this on a japanese site.

Kuro-meter field, revived! かつてのメンバーが集う。 Former members gather. 新・展・開！ The new exhibition opening! ！ ! 】 :

玄野「えっ」 Hyun field, "Well"

加藤「計ちゃん」 Kato "meter-chan"

鈴木「おかえり…」 Suzuki, "Hi…"

玄野「は？」 Kuro-field "What?"

ガンツを見ると、玄野が０点の表示 Ganz of the Gen-point field of view is 0

加藤「どこまで記憶してる？」 Kato, "Where to remember that?"

玄野「え…と…オニ星人…をやって１００点とって…１番を選んで自由に……あ？あれ？０点？」 Kuro-field "Oh…… Osny and stars to try 100 people…… 1 point to take the freedom to choose…… Oh? Huh? Zero?"

加藤「…」 Kato "…"

レイカ「あのね…玄野君一度自由になったの…でもね…外で…ミッションと関係なく死んでしまったの…」 LES squid "Kuro-field… you know once you become free outside……… But regardless of mission and the dead…"

玄野「俺！？え！？死んだ！？……あれ？今…いつ？」 Kuro-field "I? Oh! Dead!?…… Huh? Now…?"

鈴木「オニ星人のときから一ヶ月はたってるよね」 Suzuki, "Osny stars who are a month later when Yone Teru"

桜井「そうですね」 Sakurai, "Well"

鈴木「だからね…加藤君が頑張って１００点獲ってね」 Suzuki, "That's why you're hard at it… Kato is catching 100 points."

玄野「加藤…なんで…おまえ、弟養わなきゃ…」 Kuro-field "Kato…… Why you, my brother養わなきゃ…"

加藤「……また最初からだけど…計ちゃん…一緒に自由になろうぜ」 Kato "……… but also the first from a total of freedom to be with her…."

玄野「あ…ありがとう」 Kuro-field "Oh… Thank you."

加藤と玄野が握手する Hyun, shaking hands and the area of Kato

玄野「俺…なんで死んだの？」 Kuro-field "What I died…?"

桜井「バンパイアに…あいつらに襲撃されて…」 Sakurai, "a vampire… they attacked by…"

玄野「！？」 Kuro-field "?"

玄野が氷川ときるびる（女吸血鬼）を見る Kiyoshi RUBIRU when the field is Hyun (female vampire).

玄野「あっアイツッなんでここにいんだよ」 Kuro-field "Why not hereアイツッINDA."

氷川が刀を召喚する Kiyoshi will summon a sword

玄野「なっんだよテメエッ」 Kuro-field "NANNテメエッ."

加藤「計ちゃん。あいつらももうここの住人なんだ。ここでやりあっても意味がない」 Kato "meter-chan. They are no longer a resident of this.やりあっno sense here."

加藤に止められ、玄野は渋々納得する Kato parked in the area Hyun convince the grudging

西「あ～あ。もう…どうでもいいことでおまえらっつったら、今…どういう状況か知らねーで呑気なもんだな… 」 West "Oh-Oh.… I can not really matter who you TSUTTARA God, now what…知らね-or situation, because of a呑気…"

加藤「あ？」 Kato, "Oh?"

西「どーでもいーって。誰が誰を助けようが死のうが生きようが」 West "No but I DO. Anyone who can help you to live死のう"

西がガンツの中の内部の男に手を突っ込む Ganz in the West is a man reach into the internal

西「ガンツ。Katastrophe」 West "Ganz. Katastrophe"

ガンツに表示されたのは数字 Ganz is a number that appears in the

０００６８４９０１ 000684901

西「いいか…これが人類に残された時間だ」 West "I do… This is the time left for mankind."

０００６８４８１９ 000684819

カウントダウンされている In the countdown

加藤「何か…これからおこるのか？」 Kato "What I OKORU…?"

西「そーそ。始まっちゃうんだよ」 West "As you will. I really started."

玄野「何だよ…何が始まるっつんだよ」 Kuro-field "Come on! TSUNDA… What begins."

西「核戦争ってのが有力な見解だけどまだハッキリは判ってはいない……けどこれだけは言える」 West "of nuclear war is likely to view it, but I still do not know HAKKIRI is, but I'll say this for……"

西「これまで人類が築きあげてきた価値観はすべて崩れ去る。強力な軍備を持つ者が地上を支配する。おまえらなんか真っ先に死んじまう」 West "was built so far mankind has been making all values are collapsing. Powerful military who have ruled the earth. The first thing I said when I die JIMAU"

稲葉「何言ってんだ。わけわかんね…」 Inaba, "What are you talking about. I do not know…"

西「まあいいや。今…のんびり互助会やってる場合じゃねーってこと。そのカウンターよく見て俺の言ったことよく話し合って考えたらいいぜ」 West "That's OK. Easygoing mutual aid society now… He's doing if it's right. Observant of the counter said I think I can talk to."

西が部屋から出ていった West went out of the room

玄野「核戦争だって？」 Kuro-area "of nuclear war?"

桜井「あいつ何がしたいんだ…いきなりなんなんだ…」 Sakurai, "He is what I want what I'm suddenly……"

加藤「クソッ何なんだ。核戦争とか…」 Kato, "whatクソッ. Or nuclear war…"

レイカ「あと７日と２３時間。あと一週間ちょっと…」 LES squid "after 23 hours and 7, 2007. Just a week…"

ガンツに表示されてるカウントは Ganz's count is displayed in

０００６８４６３７ 000684637

【死闘の果て…安息はもう許されない】 [End of the fight to the death of the other impermissible haven…]

【次回、世界崩壊までのわずかな時間。 The next time [in the world until the collapse of a few hours. それぞれの想いは！ Their thoughts! ？ ? 次回９月２５日木曜】 Next Thursday: September 25, 2006

Shinsou

09-10-2008, 07:03 PM

Alas you do not understand sarcasm.lol

It is difficult to know when someone is using sarcasm in these threads sometimes.

About the spoilers

The nuclear war thing is interesting. I wonder if what happened in Osaka is the spark for the nuclear war? So it looks like the invasion thing might not happen, but I guess it still can. But it looks like the timer is to show when mankind will kill itself. Although I still can't tell if Gantz is trying to prevent it, or is it responsible for it. Should be a great chapter. Can't wait until it is out.

Mrdelta

09-10-2008, 07:10 PM

what Shinsou said. that's why when i make a sarcastic comment I fling it out of the ballpark. light sarcasm works well in real life but when starring at the text there are no indicators, and I don't know you well enough.

spoilers LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALA *sticks fingers in ears* im not listening.

serously though the chapter should be comming out soon then or are the raws out in japan?

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 07:18 PM

It is difficult to know when someone is using sarcasm in these threads sometimes.

Yea I know that is very true. That's because it's the internet.lol:)

About the spoilers

The nuclear war thing is interesting. I wonder if what happened in Osaka is the spark for the nuclear war? So it looks like the invasion thing might not happen, but I guess it still can. But it looks like the timer is to show when mankind will kill itself. Although I still can't tell if Gantz is trying to prevent it, or is it responsible for it. Should be a great chapter. Can't wait until it is out.

I dunno what the cause of the nuclear war is. It probably doesn't relate to any of the Gantzers or the Osaka team. I just think it's probably one of those things that just happens. I bet Gantz has been planning this war from the beginning, I mean how else with Nishi know about it? The nuclear war thing must've been in progress for a long time.

what Shinsou said. that's why when i make a sarcastic comment I fling it out of the ballpark. light sarcasm works well in real life but when starring at the text there are no indicators, and I don't know you well enough.

spoilers LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALA *sticks fingers in ears* im not listening.

serously though the chapter should be comming out soon then or are the raws out in japan?

I am pretty sure it's out in Japan. In the spoilers i posted one site has some scans.

Shinsou

09-10-2008, 07:30 PM

I dunno what the cause of the nuclear war is. It probably doesn't relate to any of the Gantzers or the Osaka team. I just think it's probably one of those things that just happens. I bet Gantz has been planning this war from the beginning, I mean how else with Nishi know about it? The nuclear war thing must've been in progress for a long time.

What I ment is that after Osaka was attacked by the aliens the entire world now knows something bad is going on. So this could lead some nations to take serious action next time the aliens arrive, and humans might use nuclear weapons to try to defeat them. This could lead to the nuclear war. So this is what I ment the Osaka mission being the spark that let the entire world know about the aliens and the war.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 07:43 PM

What I ment is that after Osaka was attacked by the aliens the entire world now knows something bad is going on. So this could lead some nations to take serious action next time the aliens arrive, and humans might use nuclear weapons to try to defeat them. This could lead to the nuclear war. So this is what I ment the Osaka mission being the spark that let the entire world know about the aliens and the war.

Well I guess that is a damn good possibilitey. :thumbup: I dunno though in my opinion the war was planned by Gantz from the start. I think the little missions everyone went on were getting them prepared for the war. So yea, not sure we will have to wait and see eh?

Harima_kaimen

09-10-2008, 08:04 PM

Hey guys, you are talking about chapter 279, or 280 has already came out. You see Im afraid to open those spoilers

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 08:08 PM

We are talking about 280. The spoilers for the chapter are already out for it. The chapter itself is not released it.

BTW read this please

if you do not want the chapter spoiled do not open the spoilers that have the script. I posted a spoiler where it was just scans from the chapter, the RAW in Japan.

Harima_kaimen

09-10-2008, 08:11 PM

Im new using the forum, but I dont understand, you see the raw in japanese, and the you make your own ideas. Thats nonsense.Wait until is traslated

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 08:16 PM

umm lol no dude people translate the script silly. We don't just magically make assumptions, at least I don't.

Harima_kaimen

09-10-2008, 08:21 PM

The spoilers for the chapter are already out for it. The chapter itself is not released it.

so what is the meaning of this?

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 08:26 PM

Huh? You mean the thread itself? To discuss Gantz and what we think about it.....

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-10-2008, 08:47 PM

Edwardsanthemighty

09-10-2008, 08:54 PM

I find it weird that Nishi new about this catastrophe for awhile now. When I remember the talk with Izumi on the train he was saying about showing the world what Japan could do and this talk about pride like this was some competition.

So what if Gantz is behind this and he's the one bringing the aliens here to get hunted. Nishi knows this and figures the only way to get out of it is to get a 100 pts and be completely oblivious to the events of the world. Like when the time runs out Gantz might reveal all of the current players to the world and say they are the reason the world is gonna end.

Then all the players go on some last mission to fight some huge alien force. The nuclear war part would of course come in when each country would choose their own way to get rid of the aliens when they find out they are in every country in the world, so everybody just starts bombing each other.

Hmm good theory there and I agree with a lot except for the bombing thing. I think when they [the Gantz team] defeats what they need to the world is going to rebirth and everyone is gonna get a second chance, but they won't remember anything from the Gantz saga and once the world is at peace the Gantz ball will shatter. And the game will be no more. Because I bet the purpose of Gantz is to bring peace to the world and all of it was some big plan. That's just my take on what's gonna happen though. :)

Dan2025

09-10-2008, 09:19 PM

so what is the meaning of this?

On most (if not all) links to spoilers, if you look around the page you can find a translation of the text featured in the chapter as well.

roxas_strife

09-10-2008, 09:49 PM

The final battle is upon them so to speak. I wonder what it will be like.... So much could happen. I still can't imagine any single alien being more powerful than Nura.

I wonder if it will be one group of aliens, or all sorts of different kinds. They usually seem to be different in one sense or another. I can't help but wonder how one member of a race can be so much more powerful than the rest.

Atori

09-10-2008, 11:21 PM

Just me or any1 notice that they never told kurono how long he was dead for? Old Man said the mission was a month ago (so i was right when i thought it was 1 mission a month n.n) but kurono doesnt know he has only been dead a few hrs xD

But im thinking ur right about the nuclear war part. Since the world now knows of these aliens and has seen how their ppl pail in comparison to these aliens they would prolly want to use their best weapon against them. So id guess a few countrys try to nuke japan and endup using more than 8 nukes at 1 time and the world dies (ive heard that if 8 nukes were to explode at the same time(somewhere around 8) that it would destroy the world or somthing)

or that maybe there is some confusion and the guy with all the info leaks some to media and they hear germany worship black ball and that the ball is inolved with aliens and get it confused and they spread the false info and every1 and their mom nukes germany >.<

but seriously i was thinking on nuclear war how can they fight an explosion and radiation >.<

but then there is the part that Nishi said "probally" not is a but that he doesnt know and thats what he thinks it is. So im guessing that he thinks it will come to this now that the world knows of their existance? But im hopeing that hes wrong and that its just another invasion but on a bigger scale and its like a battle cruiser full of Nuri's XD

@roxas if their all the same race 1 could still be that much stronger than the others. Maybe he was just a super badass. But im thinking those were all diffrent races. I think atleast for that mission its a more of like "covadent" thing

like in halo the covadent had a bunch of diffrent races fighting for the same goal. Kill all humans >.< maybe a bunch of aliens just joined forces. or a few strong ones joined forces and enslaved the others to do their bidding like the 1 pointers >.>

roxas_strife

09-11-2008, 12:12 AM

I'm hoping it's like apocalyptic. I want like half the population of Earth to be gone before the end of it at least. I can't wait to see where the final battle will be. I want some more insight on Germany and all the other countries too. Germany seems to be where Gantz is really focused at. I bet everywhere else is just a bunch of scattered teams devoted to areas most likely to be hit like cities and such. I bet their are crazy psychics in Germany even, just something I am hoping for. I want more psychics in the series. The vampires are so like the Yakuza. I hope we get more insight on them second only to what the hell is in Germany. I bet there are hunters in Germany that have cleared as many or more times than Oka by the tens. Imagine a bunch of mechs going around Germany and the total devastation of the aliens that show up there. The Germans must be like the greatest hunters in the world.

I can't wait to see what they do next. Either they will have an insane amount of missions over the next 7 days and 23 hours, or they will begin to try to put the pieces together and try to figure out what will happen. Maybe even start training. If it comes down to it I'm sure they will go for some 100 points weapons if they get enough points and even go on a mission. I'm beginning to think this is why Nishi loves it in there so much. He must have been some bored genius who finally found something that just fascinated him beyond everything else. I bet he's been wanting to see what happens and why all this is happening most of all, asides from his sadistic mindset anyway I mean.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-11-2008, 01:46 AM

Atori

09-11-2008, 02:10 AM

@roxas but Nishi wanted out of Gantz when we first met him. Remember when he died he was like just (w/e number it was) points mama or some crap >.< Though he seems more like a G now that hes back lol But im wondering like on yall said fthe first Katou and the new Katou look diff way back right? Its been like what roxas said i think almost 2 years since kurono died? wounder if hell look alot diff. cause starting kurono and his death by HS they looked diffrent.

Shinsou

09-11-2008, 02:29 AM

Just to let you all know the name Gantz is German. I am taking German this year and happen to notice the word Ganz in a sentence. I though, wow the looks like the word Gantz, hey I bet Gantz is German! So yea, just thought I'd mention that.

Yeah it also is a German surname. To me it is a little funny that it is the name of the manga. Look it up if you want. :lol:

Well we have known that world was being invaded, and it was comming to an end for a long while, and that Nishi knew all this. I posted these pages a couple months ago, but not very many people said anything about them. So I am going to post them again now that all the information the new chapter told us. It is when Kei looks at what Nishi had on his website. It talks about the the world approaching the end. Also the second page shows Kei talking in the past tense. As if the all the events have already happened. I am not sure if it is a translation problem, but it is interesting.

http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/108/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/108/18/

roxas_strife

09-11-2008, 03:17 AM

I have been reading into stuff like that myself Shinsou. I remember the first time my friend asked me to read Gantz I asked if it was German. xD

My friend ironically just mentioned how he had this feeling Kei brought Nishi back just to find this out. I am surprised at how forgetful I have become to the non-climactic. I am ashamed. I shall reread Gantz once more in slow note worthy detail.

Hayate-san

09-11-2008, 03:26 AM

Yeah it also is a German surname. To me it is a little funny that it is the name of the manga. Look it up if you want. :lol:

Well we have known that world was being invaded, and it was comming to an end for a long while, and that Nishi knew all this. I posted these pages a couple months ago, but not very many people said anything about them. So I am going to post them again now that all the information the new chapter told us. It is when Kei looks at what Nishi had on his website. It talks about the the world approaching the end. Also the second page shows Kei talking in the past tense. As if the all the events have already happened. I am not sure if it is a translation problem, but it is interesting.

http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/108/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/108/18/

waaaa! what was with the past tence? good find shinsou, now you got me thinking that it's going to have an ending like catcher in the rye where it has actually already happened and kei is just recounting it for someone. nah i don't think so but you never know. ;)

i found something similar in the first chapter. it could be interpreted the like the one you found, or not. lol
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/1/41/

Alexie Di Onie

09-11-2008, 04:52 AM

I know 280 was released but does anyone know where to find it?

roxas_strife

09-11-2008, 05:37 AM

Hayate-san

09-11-2008, 07:52 AM

That would be an unusual format for a manga to use Hayate. Not to mention Kei's inner monologue was more present towards the beginning than at most any other part of the series.

I still want some mass death going on soon. xD (this is possibly credited to the fact I'm reading a book about a pandemic and I like apocalyptic situations in my reading material)

I enjoy the fact that the mains stick to the standard and secret equipment(Gantz Sword, Gantz Bike). It's almost a nice change to know that they have only their skill and their wits with the weapons. I mean the weapons are grand, but it's odd knowing that someone could defeat Nura without even the need for an upgrade. I like it.

lol i know, it was more of a joke than a real theory for the ending of gantz. Unless that actually happens in which case i called it. :D

I agree with you on the weapons. They kick ***, and as you say the main characters get by with just those. I mean look at oku, he had all those toys from clearing, but in the end he didn't even get an on screen death. You mentioned that they were able to take out the 100 ptr with just those guns, but i would like to mention nishi took out the 75ptr with one shot of the x-gun. Hurray for stealth kills :thumbup:

oh and since i mentioned nishi i might as well say that i think he is still holding out on the rest of the gantzers. Stop keeping secrets you sneaky b@$†Å®∂. :lol:

hmm, mass killings? i guess. Not really for it or against it, but the way things seem to be going i wouldn't be surprised if it occurs on the next mission.

clayton

09-11-2008, 08:58 AM

Kefka

09-11-2008, 02:54 PM

Oh my you guys post a lot here ^^

Nuclear theory: I'm quite sceptic against this theory as i think the worlds leaders aren't that stupid and rash to make choices like that in just 7 days. Could be possible though if some Aliens playing human has taken the place of some of the big countries leaders.

I bet that we will see a couple of new gantz teams soon. And i wouldn't mind if the tokyo team came to Germany for that last mission before the apocalypse to only found the remains of many many gantzers.

Atori

09-11-2008, 06:49 PM

@kefka
that would be great xD
they get beamed in and its nothin but bodies everywhere, and the city is in ruins.

so i just read the chapter with the spoilers and i wanted to say that this part here

Page 15:
Nishi: Everything humans have worked for, have created, will be destroyed.
An invincible army is gonna descend on Earth
and YOU guys will be the first ones to die.

sounds badass xD but damnit i only wish Izumi was here for the last battle if he got revived after it hed be so pissed xD

but i think that gives us a better hint to what is happening. like nxt mission is huge scale war and earth sees its new heros uterly defeated and decides if they cant take em out its left up to them and then when they get their *** kicked their like

If we cant have earth no 1 can!!
xD

lynkobi17

09-11-2008, 07:23 PM

The raw came out...

Harima_kaimen

09-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Here's the raw

http://gantzotaku.com/scans.1.html

here's a translation

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38723

I really wonder what's going to happen now o.O, i really want oka to hurry up...

thaks clayton, now I need someone that mix this two together.
I read something about nuclea, thats interesting.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-11-2008, 07:35 PM

Ok, well,I tried to read the RAW Clayton posted earlier on my comp and it denied me access. Am I the only one who hasen't read this thing yet? Because I swear I tried to download the thing on both of my comps and it didn't work. Both of my comps have been being dumb though so it's probably just me.

EDIT Damn thing finally worked. I hate school computers.. they suck lol. I can't link the translation because it says it's pornography. W/e. Anywho, thanks for the chapter.^^

ShiningFlash

09-12-2008, 12:55 AM

Well read chapter 279 and 280

Sounds like the end is near. Omfg awwwww I'm miss Gantz. But it sounds like a true battle is going to be on their hands. They need to revive as many people as possible now. They'll need all the help they can get for this fight.

And what the hell, Hoi Hoi got 40 points -_- lol thats just crazy

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 01:19 AM

*sings*Kish is coming back blah blah blah blah blah blah! In your faces!XD *dances around and trips*...owww lol

Eveonder Maelstrom

09-12-2008, 02:44 AM

what? since when was kish coming back? I thought the chapter wasn't very meaty, we already knew there was world's end though some details were given and we figured out Kei's state... the spoiler kind of ruined it for me, ha ha.

roxas_strife

09-12-2008, 02:44 AM

Because Kish was totally effective against the aliens. Hell no. :P

Only one person needs to be revived, that's Izumi. The rest better stay dead for all I care. Even Sakata needs to be dead. >>

I wonder if the next one will be a global mission where all the teams are involved and they get to pick from the 100 points menu at any given time they have 100 points. Since if it truly is an invasion and is treated as a mission there would be no point in scoring really at the end because it's probably the last mission if it will be done in this fashion. I'm still hoping it all goes apocalyptic and more than half of the human race dies. xD

I was playing the game Spore with my friend and we began joking that all the aliens in Gantz were made by Gantz in the creature creator. xD I wish I could post all the Gantz jokes that reference other things we've made. There's so many of them, some of them are just like horrifically hilarious. xD

Hekiku

09-12-2008, 03:12 AM

Wait the chap was scanned already? I didn't really look that into the spoilers for this chap since I wanted to see how it would affect me :P I only looked at the cover page and like that small number thing. So Kish comes back? WTF?

SKATEateer

09-12-2008, 03:45 AM

wheres it at?

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 04:00 AM

Lol Aww but Izum is an *** hole. How can you all like him? whacky.XD You all like the bad guys for some reason. It's beyond me.lol

And yes.. Kish is coming back just wait and see.^^I bet you 100 bucks. *takes out digital money*

BTW, Kish is effective against the aliens. She can knock them dead with her hotness.lol [sorry I'm in a mood tonight]

Eveonder Maelstrom

09-12-2008, 04:12 AM

kish does not come back... wait for the scan, ha ha, boring chapter if you read spoilers

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 04:19 AM

Dude I already read the scan I'm just saying she probably does come back later. And yea the chapter is boring.

roxas_strife

09-12-2008, 11:15 AM

Izumi rules. He might be an *******, but he's the best *******. The point is he has skill. xD

Atori

09-12-2008, 11:40 AM

Yah i wish Izumi could make it for this mission but i doubt he will. :(

and if half the worlds population dies. and the Gantzers are the first to die. Then all the gantzers are dead >.<
then Gantz will be forced to cheat and bring back all the badasses including Kurono (again) and Izumi xD

tho if the world was about to end i wounder if Gantz would cheat and do somthing like that lol they just better bring the bike if they still got it >.<

Carlosmaster

09-12-2008, 11:56 AM

KEI'S BACK! OMGWTFZLOLROFLLMFAOG2GHHL

I would of preferred him staying dead, for some reason, it's just, you know.

He died awesome, so why bring him back, if he had died lame then I would of wanted him revived. It's a really complicated thing for me.

Ok point is, it was too predictable, I'm pretty sure everyone expected it, but the fact that he hasn't completely materialized could mean that the author plans to do something cool\uncool with him (hopefully vampire dude slashes him after he gets materialized or he goes crazy because he remembers what happened to the point he got killed).

If he remembers nothing then, I hope they do a brief or a skipped re-telling of everything that's happened, because I need some goddamn progress, it's going to slow.

jakerose20

09-12-2008, 12:27 PM

Well that was not that supring , but now i hope fore a great beattel in 7 seven days manga wise .
In a half yearfore the readers .

and that the emo student ,just left the Rome with out a reason after telling that was bad story writing .

Zuko

09-12-2008, 12:42 PM

wow, MINDBLOWING NEW CHAPTER! Who would have ever thought? many of you might say they did, but I totally didnt expect it to be so soon!

What now? any idea? its like WTF? and now what the HELL?

WE NEED OKA-SAN! HoiHoi ftw!

P.S.: was trying not to spoiler, but its...dont know what to think now =/

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 01:56 PM

Brilchan

09-12-2008, 02:09 PM

If any one wants to read Gantz translated and pictures in one her you go

http://read.mangashare.com/Gantz/chapter-280/page001.html

from the awesome Mangasher:thumbsup:

Hardedge

09-12-2008, 04:27 PM

Nishi is taking a fatalistic view of the future. Knowing the world is coming to the end, he wants out of Gantz so that he can be killed by aliens ... what, two hours after the Hunters are defeated?

Or is he confident of the Gantz teams from other country, so he has a better chance of survival as a civilian?

Shinsou

09-12-2008, 05:33 PM

I don't understand people who say that what has happened is not a big deal or they expected it. This is the first time in Gantz something like this has happened. In most action manga the characters have to defeat some main villian, get to some place, or pervent something from happening. What made Gantz so unique is that it did not follow any onf these until now. Everything in Gantz has been random, but it looks like an end goal is starting to take shape.

Also remember it took two years for Oku to get through a couple hours in the manga. So seven days could take years for him to write.

Hekiku

09-12-2008, 06:11 PM

Spade

09-12-2008, 06:14 PM

Hey, everyone just found out something interesting.

Ok, so I am taking German this year like I already said and I am learning the German Alphabet. G is pronounced differently in German. It is pronounced gay or gee[with the hard g sound]in stead of g or guh. so the show Gantz[ Guh antz] may very well be pronounced [gay ntz] or [g[[hard g] long e sound] eentz]. I am just learning so I could be wrong I just thought it was kind of interesting.

If anyone knows German better you can correct me.

The guy from Germany to the rescue!

*crashes into topic*

In a word like Gantz, the G should be pronounced like the G in "get". I (as well as the German dub of the Anime) pronounce Gantz like Gahnts... so just as you write it, just a longer a. The word "Katastrophe" that appeared on Gantz is German for "catastrophe" by the way. The difference is just a letter but since Gantz also originated in Germany (as Nishi's website said) this should be important.

...and no, Gantz is not a German word in case anyone wanted to ask that. There no word even close to Gantz... maybe Gans but that means Goose. XD

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 06:24 PM

The guy from Germany to the rescue!

*crashes into topic*

In a word like Gantz, the G should be pronounced like the G in "get". I (as well as the German dub of the Anime) pronounce Gantz like Gahnts... so just as you write it, just a longer a. The word "Katastrophe" that appeared on Gantz is German for "catastrophe" by the way. The difference is just a letter but since Gantz also originated in Germany (as Nishi's website said) this should be important.

...and no, Gantz is not a German word in case anyone wanted to ask that. There no word even close to Gantz... maybe Gans but that means Goose. XD

Lol Thanks for the help. I thought that's how you would pronounce it. of course, g by itself is pronounced [g[hard g]ee] It sounds like the begining of geese all by itself. But I thought geentz might sound odd as the pronunciation of gantz. XD

But I am just learning German so, yea at least I had a good idea of it.:lol:

Thank you

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-12-2008, 06:26 PM

The chap was a little short and very minimal in information but it was good to keep us wanting more for the next chap.

Nishi talks as if it was a waste to bring him back as well cuz it all doesn't matter. The team was all carefree when Kei came back like things would be the same with trying to escape Gantz but they're all screwed.

As for this big change in events, the reason why I'm not shocked because it was alluded to a long time back around when Kei was looking at Nishi's Gantz site about the mention of the end of the world a bunch of times.

So I guess I was kinda right about an invasion. Hmm an invincible army will descend on the planet and wipe out the Gantz teams first....

Expect a lot of ppl to die like HS, Katou, etc. just about everyone but Kei lol and maybe some new ppl that are just introduced or random useless ppl.

I could see an ending where they're fighting this army then ppl start sacrificing themselves in a way to get Kei to get w/e destination to defeat them. Kei beats or destroys w/e enemy and everybody else is dead. Gantz appears before him and says "Good job *****! You saved the world! 1 trillion points lol. So please choose from the menu" Choices are bring back all the dead ppl from earth back alive and start over and play again lol. Kei chooses to save everybody who died. They all come back, buildings and all that as if nothing happened everyone doesn't have a memory of it except for Kei. He appears back at the train station on his way home, Katou is there and that drunk bum ends up on the track again. This time Kei doesn't help and he stops Katou, the bum dies........ Fin

Yea yea I know its an F'ed up ending but hahaha meh

Shinsou

09-12-2008, 06:28 PM

...and no, Gantz is not a German word in case anyone wanted to ask that. There no word even close to Gantz... maybe Gans but that means Goose. XD

Yeah when I looked it up when I started reading the manga the only thing I could find was Gantz being a surname that comes from people raising geese. I wonder why Oku choose it as the title of his manga?

evanfanilubrei

09-12-2008, 06:38 PM

i got 280 raw i just need to translated
rei kurono is freaking

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 06:40 PM

Welp, that was a good chap. Glad I barely looked at spoilers :D should do it more often.

but what got me all :aww: was this page

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Gantz/280/006.jpg

Is it just me, or does Katou, Nishi, and Kei all look more mature compared to the beginning? also it seems there's less pages in this chap compared to the usual amount.

Nishi is more mature obviously. I don't think Katou and Kei look that different. My personal opinion is that the mangaka just was being a bit lazy and didn't want to make them super realitistc like he usually does. If you notice some of the proportions are off on Kei and Katou and they look more cartoony.

I just think it's sort of a fluke thing.

Yeah when I looked it up when I started reading the manga the only thing I could find was Gantz being a surname that comes from people raising geese. I wonder why Oku choose it as the title of his manga?

XD GOOSE!XD You know I think I'm having de ja vu. I remember hereing this all before..somewhere. I remember discussing this, how whacked.

Black Chocobo

09-12-2008, 06:47 PM

Yeah you can kinda tell when Oku just says "To hell with it!" and doesn't draw as godly as he usually does. Also for some reason Inaba was a freaking giant compared to everbody else.

As for the chap it was short, really short, seven pages shorter than usual. But Kei is back and Nishi spoke, so I'll let it pass since in addition to those things this finally brings Phase 2 into fullswing.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 06:50 PM

Yep yep you be right.lol He probably got sick of drawing the same thing over and over jsut to make a small point about Gantz.lol He's like " I'll just draw it really quick!" XD. I would like to meet Oku , he'd be so damn awesome. I'd be like, what up bro?lol

He'd probably think I look like Kei... that may scare him.XD

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-12-2008, 06:50 PM

Hmmm maybe the army is really led by a flock of geese and goose aliens will destroy the planet?

Or better yet a genius self aware goose capable of things far surpassing humanity created Gantz to save the world lol.

As for Kei and Katou I'd say they are more mature after dying. Nishi hasn't really changed at all as for the way he looks he never looked like a middle shcooler except for in the first mission where he purposely was acting oblivious.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 06:53 PM

Hmmm maybe the army is really led by a flock of geese and goose aliens will destroy the planet?

Or better yet a genius self aware goose capable of things far surpassing humanity created Gantz to save the world.lol

Oh my gosh Mitsu!:lol: ROLMFAO XDXD Evil goose man Gantz!XD Someone ought to make a parody.

Oh and you know what I think Katou likes Kei..like likes him. I mean geez, why is he blushing?Ugh...lol

Mrdelta

09-12-2008, 06:57 PM

I fear that aerial bombardment. maybe the guy in the tokyo ball just happens to be a German with the surname of gantz, and the organization has no name? did the osakans make any reference to the name of their ball?

Edwardsanthemighty

09-12-2008, 07:02 PM

Wow awesome theorizing. I have always thought that about Gantz.

Shinsou

09-12-2008, 07:13 PM

Well I have to say that I did hope that there would of been a little more emotion with Kei's return, but I guess everyone feels bad that Kei once again has to fight in Gantz, and feel like they let him down a little.

But Nishi was awesome in this chapter. It is just so like him, he insults them, tells them they world is going to end, and then leaves before anyone could ask him any more questions. Nishi is moveing up the list of my favorite charatcers in Gantz. :lol:

Noc and NC

09-13-2008, 04:19 AM

Great chapter! Short, but well worth the wait.

I wish I had something in-depth to talk about, but everyone has already brought up all my points! That's just what I get for having to work during chapter release hours X<!

Very glad to see Kei back to his Oni-mission self. His not-knowing-Reika-loves-him self. His Tae-loving-self. Hooray for no love triangles.

It was fun seeing so many panels of Nishi this chapter.

I agree with Shinsou, his actions were so like him, it was awesome. He can't move up any farther on my list, though, haha.

Eveonder Maelstrom

09-13-2008, 04:27 AM

Abu Dun

09-13-2008, 05:28 PM

Finally read it after seeing so many people recommending it - and it was quite good, maybe an 8-9 out of 10 in my personal list :D

So far, the story and the characters are all well done, both the 'good' and the 'bad' guys - they all are reacting humanlike (if they're humans ;) )
Though it's quite odd to see so many of those you like die, e.g. Sakata or Kishimoto, though it's inevitable to be able to create a place for new characters. But then again, you don't see it often that a major role is killed more than once, so this is kinda unique.

But, is it just me or did Kurono get gray hair after the Buddha-Arc (which, btw, was really great, yet sad)? At almost every panel he's in after this it looks like the colour of his hair has changed partwise :confused:

Edwardsanthemighty

09-13-2008, 05:37 PM

But, is it just me or did Kurono get gray hair after the Buddha-Arc (which, btw, was really great, yet sad)? At almost every panel he's in after this it looks like the colour of his hair has changed partwise :confused:

I don't think it's changed. The latest chapter oku did kinda draw crappier. He made his hair to short aswell if you noticed.lol
So, no I haven't noticed any change. Now, when the story first starts out, yes his hair changes. At first it's just brown... then as he gets older he gets little highlights.lol But being as though they show him in colored art work his hair is still just brown.

So, no I wouldn't say his hair has changed. Of course wouldn't you all thinhk it would be really long by now?lol At least Katou's length, unless he cuts it.

Hekiku

09-13-2008, 06:30 PM

I don't think Oku's new style looks crappier at all. To me it looks more "refined." All the close up panels for Kei, Katou, Hoi-hoi, and Nishi look awesome. They all look more mature, compared to back then when they looked like little kids. To me that's like a sign saying "hey guys, the little kids are all grown up now." Hair looks gray compared to black to show lighting effects.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-13-2008, 06:45 PM

It's not a new style dude he just did the chapter quickly. Nishi does look older though. In fact Nishi was the only one drawn really well everyone was sketched really quick.

roxas_strife

09-13-2008, 08:29 PM

I feel hate towards those who insulted the chapter or the people not happy about Kei coming back. >>

The art in phase 2 never stops proving itself to be better than phase 1. Nishi looked fantastic. Kei does too. I agree with Hekiku hands down.

There's not really much to talk about considering how early the spoilers came out and how much we already know. I loved that chapter a lot though.

Hayate-san

09-13-2008, 09:11 PM

So, no I wouldn't say his hair has changed. Of course wouldn't you all thinhk it would be really long by now?lol At least Katou's length, unless he cuts it.

hmm no, it just gets cut off screen. it wouldn't be very important unless the person cutting his hair turned out to be an alien. if that turns out to be the case then i'm sure we will see it. lol

Edwardsanthemighty

09-13-2008, 09:58 PM

XD Ok I was just wondering. Kei would look funny with long hair.XD

h1natanarut0

09-14-2008, 03:37 AM

Ch. 280

:0 Nuclear War!?!?

And in a week?! :o Ok so why is Gantz like having an end of the world scenario...

I thought it's only about fighting aliens.. then they mention nuclear war :0
lol

h1natanarut0

09-14-2008, 03:40 AM

Oh and YAY KURONO'S BACK!

He should get together with Reika xD

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-14-2008, 04:21 AM

Ch. 280

:0 Nuclear War!?!?

And in a week?! :o Ok so why is Gantz like having an end of the world scenario...

I thought it's only about fighting aliens.. then they mention nuclear war :0
lol
What would be the best way for regular humans to fight these aliens? nuclear weapons....

Unless Gantz is gonna give the team an atomic bomb which is overkill.

The nuclear war that Nishi suggested is not out of the blue and is plausible.

Shinsou

09-14-2008, 05:04 AM

I feel hate towards those who insulted the chapter or the people not happy about Kei coming back. >>

The art in phase 2 never stops proving itself to be better than phase 1. Nishi looked fantastic. Kei does too. I agree with Hekiku hands down.

I also agree with Hekiku and roxas. The art is great, and Phase two is probably some of the best art I have seen in manga.

Yeah that is what I said when the spoilers for this chapter said something about nuclear war. Nations are going to panic if the world is invaded, and would resort to nuclear weapons to fight them.

I guess the next chapter might be a lot like this one. Since Nishi left I bet we are going to have Kei and the rest ask the Vamps what they know about what is going on. I am excited to see what they know.

omgShikagami

09-14-2008, 05:42 AM

roxas_strife

09-14-2008, 06:42 AM

That last post by omgShikagami doesn't make sense.

Anyways, I am wondering if someone is going to go to Germany within this precious time they have left before this 'catastrophe' goes down. I think Nishi was trying to relate what is probably going to happen to something they would understand more. I mean when you think about nuclear war mass destruction comes to mind you know? I don't think any nation would be too hasty to use that, most don't even have them, but I do think if it's an invasion the likes of which we've never seen, then somewhere at least one will be used. I want to see some more teams myself also. I want somethings confirmed about the equipment, like if the standard for tokyo is the standard for everywhere you know?

I think this invasion will be treated like a mission on a global scale. There will be no area limits or time limits, unless Gantz is limiting them to protecting their territories only. Maybe they'll even be able to choose from the 100 point menu out in the field, that would be very interesting and useful to hunters everywhere. I kind of feel bad for those who have no idea this is coming just because they don't have someone like Nishi around. They are going to be so freaking confused once this stuff picks up(not that our people won't Gantz=confusion). xD

I laughed at what Mitsu said. It made me imagine Gantzers everywhere going all Predator like with the nukes on the arms. xD

Kei should never get together with Reika. It's just not in the cards mon.

Kei would look good with long hair or no hair even. xD

Shinsou

09-14-2008, 07:58 AM

Sorry about the 180 in subject but I just thought of something... Anzu died after Katou got injured, so doesn't that mean he he doesn't know she died. That would make things awkward...

EDIT: also nerdo was shot way before she died so....she's pretty out of luck XD

Well I understand what you are trying to say. Since Anzu got killed after Katou got his legs blown off he will not remembered she died right? Well in the early missions each time a person got hurt when they returned to the Gantz room it was the them before they got hurt, and they do not remember anything that happened after they got hurt in the mission. Oku has not really explained it, and has not focused on it since the early missions so he might of decided to not use that anymore in the manga, or it is not important.

Also nerdo never got seriously hurt during the mission. You might be thinking of Nishi.

Anyways, I am wondering if someone is going to go to Germany within this precious time they have left before this 'catastrophe' goes down. I think Nishi was trying to relate what is probably going to happen to something they would understand more. I mean when you think about nuclear war mass destruction comes to mind you know? I don't think any nation would be too hasty to use that, most don't even have them, but I do think if it's an invasion the likes of which we've never seen, then somewhere at least one will be used. I want to see some more teams myself also. I want somethings confirmed about the equipment, like if the standard for tokyo is the standard for everywhere you know?

I am not sure if anyone will go to Germany, but I am sure that the Tokyo team is going to try to contact the Osakan team soon. So maybe they know a little more about what is going on in Germany and the rest of the world. I think that all the euqipment is the same everywhere. Can't wait to see the Tokyo team in all the upgraded Gantz gear.

Kei should never get together with Reika. It's just not in the cards mon.

Well I would like for them to get together even if it is just for one night. :lol:

Mrdelta

09-14-2008, 09:15 AM

methaniel

09-14-2008, 01:35 PM

Oh, finally read it, a bit late I know...
Hmuh, the part with Kei kinda disappoint me, but in fact, it couldn't have been made any other way I suppose, so it's okay.
But finally, we are learning more about what Izumi was talking about before, the Katastrophe is coming. Will it be the ocassion to finally see the teams from other countries? And how will our Gantzers without any upgrades win against this upcoming war (and why are they the first targeted?)...That was really interesting and somehow closing some speculations

Edwardsanthemighty

09-14-2008, 01:59 PM

Kei would look good with long hair or no hair even. xD

Ok,I'm gonna draw Kei with long hair now.lol Thank you for inspiring me.. maybe ill draw him bald to? That's a bit scary though...:lol:

Dark Greg

09-14-2008, 02:15 PM

I havent been reading Gantz in a really long time and since you cant read it on onemanga do you know where i could read it at?

P.S Vote for Kei!!

Shinsou

09-14-2008, 02:58 PM

I havent been reading Gantz in a really long time and since you cant read it on onemanga do you know where i could read it at?

P.S Vote for Kei!!

All of the chapters are here.

http://read.mangashare.com/Gantz/chapter-001/page001.html

roxas_strife

09-14-2008, 05:23 PM

Kei and reika pre-end of the world romp ala temple mission? I sense a lot of heart wrentching moments as kei, and cherry struggle with what the clock means and what they should do about their loved ones.

the sad thing is it may very well end up like that vison I had two threads ago. it were going apocoliptic I don't doubt we will lose atl east katou, muscle rider, the old man, host samurai, an possibly the little kid or Kei. if its Kei then you will have Cherry, Reika, little kid living on for the future, If it's the little kid then you have Kei's happy ending with Tae maybe they taking care of Katous brother. Reika slinks off into the shadows sad that she didn't get him but satisfied with his happiness. Cherry lives his life out with his GF, gantz team dissolves but is never forgotten.

that or Oku could just say F***it and have them all fail dieing miserably followed by the world subjugated by ghastly creatures the likes of which can only be found in the bawls of hell.

all that is assuming this IS the end and not just the setup for a near miss arc that leaves everyone dazed and confused.

I wouldn't say that. I have mixed feelings about the idea of them getting new weapons. I like that they have been able to do so much with the standard, it just makes it more realistic to me. Besides, if they can choose new weapons mid-mission then it makes sense that they could also revive someone mid-mission. :)

If they are working as a team they are a lot less likely to die. I mean if one dies the rest will probably die also you know. I don't think we are going to see that many people dying, and if we do. I think that if the 100 points menu mid-mission would allow them to bring them back, and considering the numbers it would take for this mission, they would be getting 100 points very quickly.

I don't remember Izumi talking about a catastrophe before... I probably will later on.

I love how in this one chapter they finally exposed just a little bit of the great knowledge Nishi has. I can't wait to see more of Nishi. He's one of the most memorable characters his name was the third one I never once had a problem remembering when I started reading.

Sajin

09-14-2008, 07:39 PM

I found the chapter on mangashare heres where Izumi talks about castastrophe

http://read.mangashare.com/Gantz/chapter-229/page016.html

I also the checked the same chapter on OM and they have a different translation where he says something different

http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/229/16/

Dark Greg

09-14-2008, 08:41 PM

I finally got done reading the last chapter of gantz and I cant believe what is going to happen. Are they aliens going to have a war against earth? If so then how does that relate to gantz's main purpose.

Also LOL the panda scored 40 points!

roxas_strife

09-14-2008, 08:47 PM

Thank you Sajin, that explains why I didn't remember it. I hate the quality of non-official manga. I prefer a volume any day, unfortunately Gantz is going to be coming out very slow in America for the time being, especially due to the low sells it's seeing in stores.

I keep thinking about where the vampires will stand in all of this. Our they trying to kill off the human race or what? I would assume their food source is the human race, so wouldn't that be stupid(this is assuming that animals blood and/or tissue is not eligible for the vampires really)?

I've read different translations of the latest chapter. In one of them it mentioned some kind of invincible army, in another it didn't... I don't know what to trust. Dx

Dark Greg

09-14-2008, 09:11 PM

I would just say its going to be Armageddon on earth and some how the aliens and gantz have something to do with it.

roxas_strife

09-14-2008, 09:12 PM

That would be the most obvious turn out. There are a more angles to it than that.

Dark Greg

09-14-2008, 09:17 PM

Yeah but still Armageddon is Armageddon. Most likely aliens are going to come and attack humanity. There may actually be a big war. Whether it be with and invincible army or a nuclear war. In a nuclear war you can still have people in it.

Raptor

09-14-2008, 09:20 PM

Basically the next arc will be like the Osaka saga, except on a much larger scale. That's all what we can assume for now.

I'm expecting at least some of the Gantzers to be wiped out, because some of the current players have survived for quite a long time (ex: Reika, Old Man, Muscle Rider, Takashi, the psychic boy, and even the panda). Maybe it's time for the mangaka to shake things up and make a few changes to the team.

Dark Greg

09-14-2008, 09:24 PM

I think the next arc will be the last arc. It feels like its getting to the climax of the story. They should also release more clues and tie lose ends to the manga. This arc may be the longest arc yet if they do tie lose ends and explain things.

Raiden

09-14-2008, 09:32 PM

uhm I wouldnt like it when the next arc is the last one, there are still too many things unexplained that cant be explained in one arc (unless it is a very long arc), imo.
So but I think we come nearer to the end, probably two or three arcs left and I bet the end will be epic.

omgShikagami

09-14-2008, 11:25 PM

Well I understand what you are trying to say. Since Anzu got killed after Katou got his legs blown off he will not remembered she died right? Well in the early missions each time a person got hurt when they returned to the Gantz room it was the them before they got hurt, and they do not remember anything that happened after they got hurt in the mission. Oku has not really explained it, and has not focused on it since the early missions so he might of decided to not use that anymore in the manga, or it is not important.

Also nerdo never got seriously hurt during the mission. You might be thinking of Nishi.

No remember her got shot by those army dumbasses, and(well Gantz, maybe not the other ball) brings you back even if the injury is minor, to the state before injury...But knowing Oku, he'll ditch it if it helps the story go the way he wants.

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 02:43 AM

http://mangahut.com/manga/Gantz/279

It shows only Anzu's head is like all that is left is her head in that chapter. Also I don't remember the army guys shooting any humans, they were about to shoot Kato and Nerdo when the Tengu and Fox showed up. Not to mention Nura killed a lot of them too. Guns don't affect the Gantz suit much either. Depending on the caliber I guess...

You don't get blown to pieces like that and come back really...

I wouldn't be assuming Gantz will end in just two or three arcs. I mean so much can happen in those seven days, and that's assuming that once the 7 days and 23 hours are up the invasion arc won't be as long as 200 chapters. It could be incredibly eventful, but I doubt Gantz will have a whole nother phase. I think phase 2 will probably be just as long as phase one, and there won't be anything after that.

A nuclear war really wouldn't do much for the story, while an invasion just makes sense. Also, it's who would be invading that makes it special. Addressing it as an armageddon is pointing out exactly what Nishi said, it's obvious therefore pointing it out really gets us no where. It's kind of pointless you know?

omgShikagami

09-15-2008, 04:24 AM

Shinsou

09-15-2008, 04:45 AM

Jmsn

09-15-2008, 05:08 AM

OMG...just read the newest chapter and I was like ...what? According to Gantz they only have one week.I wonder how long Nietze knew about this.Gantz prolly is Earths last line of defense from destruction in a manner of speaking if this is the case!Awesome chapter.

I do hope Kei does get revenge on the vampires though!

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 05:49 AM

The characters of the team do not all have the same persona. Also, it's phase 2. It was meant to be crazy, and it did show some insight on the characters. Like the entire new team, Kaze and Takeshi, Reika being a horrible person, and it showed us stuff about the vampires in the room.

If you didn't feel anything when Kei was revived, then you must not care for Gantz beyond the mystery. The characters are great, and almost all of them are very different. If they aren't then that's because they are trying to be better people usually. Kaze is kind of stale I admit, but he's a good person still. He's just focused too much on fighting, but he wouldn't be Muscle Rider if he wasn't, and I love his relationship with Takeshi.

Many people on a team have their own motive, that means they aren't one big persona. Most of them are just there to survive, then you have people like Nishi and Izumi who are there for the thrill. I'm almost offended at what you said about the characters in general. >>

Kei is my favorite character of all time hands down. I relate to him more than any other character I've ever known. I'm inspired by him on some level even.

I don't know how Oku came up with Gantz. None of his other series are even remotely like it. They aren't near as good either. To create such a series with such mystery, confusion, horror, and personality. Gantz is like the most original manga I've ever read. It's never once disappointed me, that's more than I can say for any other story I've read or seen. I just hope that it doesn't end with everything open ended, and if it does then it better be as great as I've come to expect.

srsh

09-15-2008, 10:51 AM

I'm really hoping now that mission is over we can get some info. from the vampires.
Do you think the countdown for humans would also include them?

I'm happy to see Kei but I wonder if Gantz team can function better with 2 leaders; I'm thinking of Kei & Katou.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-15-2008, 11:48 AM

http://mangahut.com/manga/Gantz/260 page 14 is what I'm talking about... The problem I see as of late is that everything has gotten so out of control that the characters have seemed to take a back seat, and for the most part all have the same kind of personality or stale personalities. I mean it's not like every one's their own character but the teams are are just one giant persona. am I the only one who felt nothing when Kei came back?

I think what you are trying to say is the story's focus has changed. And it has, that's because Kei died, originally all we did was focus on Kei and his life. Then he died so we followed the Gantz team around. I skipped the chapters where Kei was gone for several reasons. Reason number 1, I didn't like them, they scared me. Reason number 2, I just didn't feel right reading them... it's hard to explain. Not to mention I couldn't care less what happens while Kei is gone.lol

But anywho, I wouldn't say all the characters have stale personalities. I can see where your coming from but I disagree. Now, Katou is stale.. like a month old cookie but he isn't to bad.. [I guess]lol To me, everyone else is just sort of there, you don't HAVE to like them.

I don't relate to every character.. In fact I only relate to Kei [I sound like Roxas now]lol I don't like to admit it but at times I will read the manga and think a certain thought and then Kei says it word for word.lol That's happened like 15 times.

So yea I can relate to at least one character, I don't mind Kei. So many people hate him though, and call him names and bash him. Kind of wrong ya know.. when the author worked so hard to make a good story. I dunno I hate Kei bashers anyways.

As to the Kei coming back thing, I did sort of think it was lame. No offence everyone else. The art was not as good, that's just my opinion you don't have to like it. The whole chapter looked rushed. It was nice though,just not amazing.

So, yea just voicing my opinion please don't attack me again everyone.

-Edwardsanthemighty

omgShikagami

09-15-2008, 11:49 AM

@Roxas... Wow... Gantz is my favorite manga, but I think you're taking it a tad too seriously. The main goal of Gantz definitley is to entertain(and it does very well). I'm just saying that the feeling went from, imo "who will survive?" to "how will the team survive?" for the past two missions. And, for some reason I the Osaka team deaths much more shocking than Tokyo's 1 real loss. I still think that the only characters that really stand out now are Nishi and Inaba... and maybe Takeshi with Kaze a little.

Atori

09-15-2008, 02:09 PM

ok so im reading the new chapter now that its on Mangahut and on page 14 when Nishi is talking about the katastrophy he says that the nuclear war is a strong opinion "we" have and then but "were" still not sure about anything. i wanta to kno who else Nishi is talking to, maybe the guy who sold Kurono and Izumi out to the vamps? Or maybe some1 on his website since he talked about it on there alot. Hopeing it is that because i want kurono to go and look at it so we know more about it and maybe more about Gantz or my biggest hope would be to look and find info about Izumi b4 he left since Nishi recounted the missions on the site

balmung5000

09-15-2008, 02:14 PM

personally i dotn like the idea
of an invasion or countdown
but i did love keis return
the only other person i wanted revived more then
him was izumi shion

Hekiku

09-15-2008, 02:16 PM

But anywho, I wouldn't say all the characters have stale personalities. I can see where your coming from but I disagree. Now, Katou is stale.. like a month old cookie but he isn't to bad..

Katou isn't stale. He has a heroic personality, and is always conflicted on his next action. It takes him awhile to decide what to do, and he plans out which action is best, but once he goes into action, he's definitely badass level.

Aura

09-15-2008, 02:20 PM

Katou isn't stale. He has a heroic personality, and is always conflicted on his next action. It takes him awhile to decide what to do, and he plans out which action is best, but once he goes into action, he's definitely badass level.

I don't know about badass, but I do think he's great. It's like he's playing Gantz on hard mode or something. Without the thrill that Kei gets, everything is just that much harder for him, and watching him pull it off is very gratifying.

Hekiku

09-15-2008, 02:52 PM

^ That's exactly why I consider him to be badass level, not on equal terms with HS and Izumi, but somewhere near Kaze.

Lol, I like where you say he's "playing Gantz on hard mode,"

Shinsou

09-15-2008, 08:01 PM

Well I still say that the art in Gantz during Phase two is some of the best I have seen in manga.

Katou is growing on me since this last mission, but he is not near the top of my favorite characters in Gantz yet. Also Inaba will never be near the top because he fails to much, but I do have to say that his fails are so fun to watch. :rofl:

The characters of the team do not all have the same persona. Also, it's phase 2. It was meant to be crazy, and it did show some insight on the characters. Like the entire new team, Kaze and Takeshi, Reika being a horrible person, and it showed us stuff about the vampires in the room.

If you think that Reika is a horrible person then I have to strongly disagree with you. I understand that people have their own likes and dislikes, and you might not like her charater, but she has done nothing to be a horrible person. If you ment that she was a horrible leader then I can see what you mean, but the last mission was a special case. I doubt anyone could of done a good job as leader with a mission like they just had.

ok so im reading the new chapter now that its on Mangahut and on page 14 when Nishi is talking about the katastrophy he says that the nuclear war is a strong opinion "we" have and then but "were" still not sure about anything. i wanta to kno who else Nishi is talking to, maybe the guy who sold Kurono and Izumi out to the vamps? Or maybe some1 on his website since he talked about it on there alot. Hopeing it is that because i want kurono to go and look at it so we know more about it and maybe more about Gantz or my biggest hope would be to look and find info about Izumi b4 he left since Nishi recounted the missions on the site

That might of been a translation problem, because in the one I read Nishi used "I" instead of "we" when talking about nuclear war being a possibility.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-15-2008, 08:16 PM

As my response I do have to admit Katou is growing on me. The hand shake thing was to cute. Only a true friend would do that, and he is becoming more genuine of an individual. He still is a bit stale though..at least in my opinion.

As far as Reika goes, she's cute but she pushes to hard. I mean, she tricked Kei into a date... she didn't just ask him.lol I can't remember if that's because she was a model though. Not sure, I just remember Kei said her boobs were big.

Anywho, yea Katou is becoming un preppy, yay!^^ I can't wait to see what Katou will do next.

OsricPearl

09-15-2008, 09:00 PM

I'm glad that fight is finally finished. It had some very nice points to it but mostly it just dragged on and on.

As for Katou, I like him as a character. I thought that Reika was a poor leader and I always wondered why they made her leader instead of Katou, who was the natural successor to Kei once he was gone. Katou eventually proved this in the last arc, and I am glad he did.

I am also glad that nearly everyone lived. ;) It's as though the Mangaka is getting attached to some of these guys and is not willing to let them go.

The little kid getting three points was cute. :D

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 09:07 PM

Sorry about that last post. It was 2am where I live and I was in that "Why the **** am I still awake!?" state. Anyways, omgShikagami, I don't understand how you couldn't love Sakurai, Izumi, or most of all Kei. They are all very different. I admit Nishi stands out to me a lot more than others to, and I see a lot of potential in Inaba, but to say so many of them are alike sounds stupid to me.

I think the reason Kato is not liked so much is because he has a more common to manga personality. He's really grown on me though. I love how he is inspired by Kei, yet inspires Kei at the same time. I love any character by association with Kei, except for a choice few that stand out to me a lot. Kato is a good character though, and because of the outside of the Gantz problems he has I can't help but have mad respect for the character

I consider Reika a horrible person because she sat there and did something that is no better than what Nishi does. She's no where near as cool as Nishi though. She's selfish, and I feel like she's a big fake. I don't like the idea of her being with Kei at all also. It seems to me she only likes him due to a bad situation. Had she met him in a more normal manner she probably wouldn't feel the same way at all.

It's always a good thing to sound like me Edward. xD

I can't help but have some respect for someone who claims Gantz is their favorite manga. Although, it always makes me wander if it's their favorite story in general. xD

Noc and NC

09-15-2008, 09:48 PM

Concerning your points on Katou and Reika, Roxas, I couldn't agree with you more.

Katou has the common 'manga hero' personality, but with little twists thrown in to make him unique and likable, especially with his relationship with Kei (they inspire each other). The struggle with his home-life makes him even better.

To me, Reika comes off as a selfish and shallow girl who's only looking to cling to someone, not caring about their circumstances. I'm completely against her and Kei having a relationship. As an idol, she's probably had everything she's ever wanted- she'd never understand his loneliness.

Pansori

09-15-2008, 09:54 PM

Sorry about that last post. It was 2am where I live and I was in that "Why the **** am I still awake!?" state.

You know, I stay in that state...

I consider Reika a horrible person because she sat there and did something that is no better than what Nishi does. She's no where near as cool as Nishi though. She's selfish, and I feel like she's a big fake. I don't like the idea of her being with Kei at all also. It seems to me she only likes him due to a bad situation. Had she met him in a more normal manner she probably wouldn't feel the same way at all.

Whoah! That's harsh, Roxas. Why so much Reika hate (sorry, I didn't go back in the thread, I read your post and zoomed in). In one of the other sections there was a question as to who was your favorite female in manga. I listed 4, but of the 4 I think I would put Reika on top.

What makes her awesome to me is how human she is. A lot of the Gantz characters are like this, but I guess I relate to personality more as a female myself.

She is selfish, and she is fake, in fact those are some of her insecurities! It's the fact that she realizes these things about herself, that she struggles to change and be a better person that makes me like her so much.

I don't blame her for falling for Kei because of the situation, though I do agree I would much rather see Kei end up with Tae (just for the fact that he loves her). But Reika does deserve credit in that she's one of the more interesting characters, very well developed and a genuinely good person who wants the best for the team (and has tried to meet this goal).

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 09:58 PM

Exactly Noc. I hate that about Reika. She's probably based on the person I consider to have the most beautiful voice I've ever heard. Utada Hikaru, Reika looks like her.

I've always wondered if some of the characters in Gantz are inspired by idols in Japan. Every time I see a nerdy guy it reminds me of the members of Asian Kung-Fu Generation. They are one of my favorite bands. My second greatest obsession that is only trumped by my love of Gantz is music. I know a lot of j-music, so it is always a question in the back of my if some of the characters are based on them in appearance or even more so.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Reika. I just don't like the idea of her and Kei being together, and I do think she is a horrible person. She is one of my least favorite Gantz characters. >>

Shinsou

09-15-2008, 10:05 PM

I consider Reika a horrible person because she sat there and did something that is no better than what Nishi does. She's no where near as cool as Nishi though. She's selfish, and I feel like she's a big fake. I don't like the idea of her being with Kei at all also. It seems to me she only likes him due to a bad situation. Had she met him in a more normal manner she probably wouldn't feel the same way at all.

Yeah so I was right you are not a fan of her character. She is one of my favorite characters in Gantz, and I think that she does love Kei. She gave up her chance at freedom so Kei could be happy with Tae. She did try to steal him away from her when they went on that date, but she now understands that Kei loves Tae, and she will never be the recipient of his love no matter how much she might want to be. You can't realy falt her for not doing anything in the Osakan mission since hardly any of the Tokyo team did anything. I don't see her actions as being fake or selfish, but being the actions of what a real person would do in that situation, but everyone has their own opinions.

I am a big fan of the Kei and Reika pairing, but I understand that besides maybe a one night deal nothing is going to happen. Reika represents everything Kei wanted before he met Tae, and Tae represents his grwoth as a person throughout the manga. I don't see him ever falling out of love with Tae so even if I want Reika to be with Kei it is not going to happen.

Pansori

09-15-2008, 10:07 PM

She did try to steal him away from her when they went on that date, but she now understands that Kei loves Tae, and she will never be the recipient of his love no matter how much she might want to be.

Yes, and in Reika's defense she wasn't aware that Kei was taken, iirc.

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 10:11 PM

I didn't like that the other Tokyo team members didn't take action either. They didn't follow Kei's example at all, but for the most part almost all of them paid for it in the end. Reika doesn't have enough qualities to really be able to do that without getting some consequence from it, and me be able to disregard it like I do for Sakurai, who lost his master which is consequence on some level.

Most of them went Inaba on us, which I didn't expect. Inaba is the proof that standing around will get you no where in Gantz. You must act. I just don't think Reika has as much potential as Inaba though to make up for it. I want to see some development from him big time though. >>

Shinsou

09-15-2008, 10:20 PM

Yes, and in Reika's defense she wasn't aware that Kei was taken, iirc.

You are right. I have not read those chaptes in a while so I could not remember. Then I guess you could say it was Kei's falt then. He went out on the date, and did not tell her he had a girlfriend.

roxas_strife

09-15-2008, 10:26 PM

Had he not gotten broken up with over that I would have been mad at Kei. o.o

Mrdelta

09-15-2008, 10:35 PM

Raiden

09-15-2008, 10:39 PM

o.k. I read the latest chapter now and I must say: WHAT THE HELL?!

That really came surprisingly. Nuclear war? End of the mankind? in 7days and 23hours? O.O
And Nishi knows really more than I thought, but why do he know so much? I mean it seems so that he never got 100 points before, so how does he know so much? did he jsut survive logn enough because of the other Gantzers in hsi former team?

Damn maybe this is really the final arc... (and yeah it will be epic!)

Hekiku

09-15-2008, 11:25 PM

Damn, tried to keep up to date, but damn forgot what i planned on saying about Reika.

Well truthfully, I don't think Reika made a bad choice when it came down to running or fighting. She had a giant beast come up to them, they were near the line of "pop goes the head," and she had to make a quick decision. Fight and be killed by the monster, or be pushed out during the battle, causing their heads to explode. Running forward to get past was a good move, if they hadn't then our favorite character, Inaba, would have never lost his arms and legs.

As for her personality, I like the fact that she has so many flaws. She wants to make other people happy, but at the same time she's selfish and wants what makes her happy. I can't really see her shallow personality yet, since I don't think she's ever been "mean" to anyone yet, she tried to help out that rape victim girl during the Tae mission.

And as for Kaotu, I always liked him, even when people hated him. He's the character that reminds me the most of myself. This arc was his greatest one.

Also, anyone else think Kei knows Reika confessed? When he teleported back it was exactly at the moment I was hoping for, the "WHAT?" moment.

OsricPearl

09-15-2008, 11:28 PM

NIshi is extremely intelligent. He is the sort of person who would seek out information if it is not given to him. Naturally curious and precotious, he probably simply asked. I wouldn't be surpised if he did.

Also, did anyone else lose track of him during the Osaka arc? I honestly did not know where he was most of the time. Since he's one of my favorite characters, I really missed him and I wanted to see him do something, even hiding, or being sneaky like he usually is. I thought he was dead until I saw him at the room again. XD

Raiden

09-15-2008, 11:37 PM

well the most time he was probably in "stealth mode" and/or killed some minor aliens until he "killed" the hentai-form of Nuri (I think that was the one) and then got nearly killed by nuri, after that he only lay around and waas unconcious.

@hekiku: hm I dont know, I cant see me in Katou very well. He is just too... good. a to kind of a person and doesnt want to harm anyone. I could see me more in Kei at the beginning, but since Katou seems to develope bit by bit now ( he killed nuri! o.o), he may becomes a character I can identify with.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-15-2008, 11:43 PM

Well I was gonna comment but the Reika discussion stopped. Reika reminds me Gackt if any japanese idol and I don't know why. I guess it's because i like him a lot and think he's hot, a lot like Kei did Reika before he met her.lol

I guess that sums up my opinion. It's funny how I say something then i come back to a whole page of responses.lol

Hayate-san

09-16-2008, 12:15 AM

Dark Greg

09-16-2008, 12:19 AM

Does anyone know how the panda got 40 points? I just got caught up in gantz and my memory of it is a little hazy.

Hayate-san

09-16-2008, 12:37 AM

Does anyone know how the panda got 40 points? I just got caught up in gantz and my memory of it is a little hazy.

nobody knows :shrug: although Hoi Hoi is cute :aww: pandas can be surprisingly vicious. At least that's what it said at the end of the mission. The simple answer is that it happened off screen. We will just have to wait till the next mission to see super panda ownage.

omgShikagami

09-16-2008, 01:04 AM

Actually Kato's really only seems to be a goody two-shoes in a mission, outside of the missions he was seemed to act out much more. I guess that's his major flaw; merciful to aliens, merciless against bullies XD

Mrdelta

09-16-2008, 01:09 AM

well the aliens really haven't done anything wrong yet, just blowing their nose, and pumping iron and stuff.

Hayate-san

09-16-2008, 02:06 AM

well the aliens really haven't done anything wrong yet, just blowing their nose, and pumping iron and stuff.

lolz is that supposed to be a men and black reference?

mike009

09-16-2008, 02:39 AM

Dark Greg

09-16-2008, 02:47 AM

Most of the time, the aliens didn't harm other people, they got attack by the gantz team, so they had to defend themselves.

I'm talking about the Onion Aliens, the weird bird one, the 1 that cause the mayhem at the school.

That's what he meant.

But still the gantz team is fighting for their freedom and their lives. If they didnt fight the aliens and the aliens didnt fight them then gantz would probably make things more interesting and besides there is always the one person who has to cause trouble during a gantz match.

Mrdelta

09-16-2008, 02:51 AM

it was both.

only 2 missions were the gantz teams not the aggressors, and even in those two missions they are started in such a way that we never actually see the initial encounter.

the latest one (Osaka team got there first) and the one right before the human hunt ( starts mid battle) so even if it was meant as a men in black reference it held a ring of truth so I used it.

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-16-2008, 03:35 AM

Most of the time, the aliens didn't harm other people, they got attack by the gantz team, so they had to defend themselves.

I'm talking about the Onion Aliens, the weird bird one, the 1 that cause the mayhem at the school.

That's what he meant.
I'd like to think all these aliens came in peace(even the ones who later attacked first) but logic tells me as a human not knowing that aliens living among me and have invaded/infiltrated so easily I'd like to know why they are here.

Gantz probably knows why and decided to attack before we(humans) got hit first or it could be one of those situations where the gov't is behind (this w/e gov't) or some form of higher world gov't that issued a Gantz "program/mission" if you will to get rid of the potential threat.

Eveonder Maelstrom

09-16-2008, 03:43 AM

roxas_strife

09-16-2008, 04:27 AM

Roxas: they made the right move, pure and simple. they are not like the osaka team that thrived on battle. survival is on the top of their list and there is nothing wrong with how that. yes in gantz nothing will change if you don't take action but these are still essentally good people who would rather not kill. I would have found a nice coffee shop, sent Reika and Cherry behind the counter to make us all some Joe, and pop anything that disturbed our peace.

Reika didn't make the right decision at all. The only one who really took a notably good lead in that mission was Kato, and he's the reason they survived. They don't have to kill the aliens(except for Nura and the other higher ups, but they were going to have to fight them no matter what so it doesn't really matter) or be like the Osakans to get it through their skulls how they are going to get out of Gantz, the Y-Gun can be used if they don't want to kill. Also, when the heck has killing aliens bothered them before? If their goal is to survive than they should try to end the mission as quickly as possible. They walked around and didn't do anything. Look where it got them. They lost a powerful teammate, many almost died, and they were in a the worst possible situation. This was all because they decided following Reika. Kato clearly had the right idea. That's just what I think on her leadership abilities.

On her personality. She is a selfish woman, she can recognize it all she wants, but if the guy she claims to love didn't teach her anything than what does that say for her. Kei would have been out there fighting with Kato. I'm mainly critical of her because she claims to love Kei. If she was a better person I wouldn't be so mad at her for her claims of love. If she was a strong woman, or even just a woman inspired by Kei, then I would have a much better opinion of her. Also considering the circumstances and her claims to love Kei, I would expect her to follow the example he put forth much more than anybody else, except maybe Kato. I think she has potential on some level though. I just hope she wises up.

On the note of what Edward said. What do you mean Reika reminds you of Gackt? She's no where near as conceited or as talented as Gackt is. Also, Gackt is male(pointing out the obvious)and out of all the styles I've seen him in not a single one resembles Reika to me. Even in his visual-K days he wouldn't remind me of her. xD

Mrdelta

09-16-2008, 04:32 AM

Reika is a petty person, possibly but a horrible person? by no means. Heck not even Izumi is a horrible person. in my mind horrible people would be those guys that were raping the chic pre Tae hunt mission. a horrible person is the mother of T(the little guy whats his name? I really suck with names) and her boyfriend.

also I may be of an untrusting nature but the way the "aliens" lived pre gantz attack, the way we learn vampires exist, the fact that there seems to be some level of comunication and possibly a rudimentary interorginisational(it it inter or intra in this case?) government within the aliens, and the closed lippednes of gantz, leaves me to believe these "aliens" may not be extraterestrial, anymore of a threat then your local NRA meeting, and that a diologue could be started if the guns were lowered, not put down but lowered.

Gantz is the spark that lit the fuse, now what the hecks going to explode?

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-16-2008, 04:34 AM

How the heck is Reika a horrible person?

Anyways, perhaps after a few arcs he can go into the Post-Armageddon thing where Gantz players get unlimited equipment so long as they can fend off the aliens with a final mission of invading the alien headquarters and beating up the boss.
7 days I doubt there will be that many more arc long missions. The time is now, not to say the manga will be ending soon but this end of the world thing is gonna be happening before the year is done I hope and be finished with maybe a year or three from now, then possibly a whole new arc but that's me being greedy wanting to the manga to just keep going.

Mrdelta

09-16-2008, 04:50 AM

Reika didn't make the right decision at all. The only one who really took a notably good lead in that mission was Kato, and he's the reason they survived. They don't have to kill the aliens(except for Nura and the other higher ups, but they were going to have to fight them no matter what so it doesn't really matter) or be like the Osakans to get it through their skulls how they are going to get out of Gantz, the Y-Gun can be used if they don't want to kill. Also, when the heck has killing aliens bothered them before? If their goal is to survive than they should try to end the mission as quickly as possible. They walked around and didn't do anything. Look where it got them. They lost a powerful teammate, many almost died, and they were in a the worst possible situation. This was all because they decided following Reika. Kato clearly had the right idea. That's just what I think on her leadership abilities.

On her personality. She is a selfish woman, she can recognize it all she wants, but if the guy she claims to love didn't teach her anything than what does that say for her. Kei would have been out there fighting with Kato. I'm mainly critical of her because she claims to love Kei. If she was a better person I wouldn't be so mad at her for her claims of love. If she was a strong woman, or even just a woman inspired by Kei, then I would have a much better opinion of her. Also considering the circumstances and her claims to love Kei, I would expect her to follow the example he put forth much more than anybody else, except maybe Kato. I think she has potential on some level though. I just hope she wises up.

On the note of what Edward said. What do you mean Reika reminds you of Gackt? She's no where near as conceited or as talented as Gackt is. Also, Gackt is male(pointing out the obvious)and out of all the styles I've seen him in not a single one resembles Reika to me. Even in his visual-K days he wouldn't remind me of her. xD

I'm not saying she was the churchhill of gantz I'm just saying protecting her people first, over the civilians and the Osakans was
a smart move in a cold hearted eye. Kei has always placed his team, and the mission first. dino mission this groups first encounter. Kei is willing to fight in the middle of a crowded street its the oldman that protects the Civvies.

I will say later on, when the pressure was on she cracked and I do not believe she was the best or the right choice for leadership but Kato had the chivalrous idea, not a bad idea, not a terribly good idea, Reika had the safe idea, not a bad one, not a terribly good one. Nishi had the best Idea but no one ever listens to him mostly because he doesn't talk much.

you can't blame the loss of the old psych on her. if they had gone head on he might have died the same way only earlier, his time was up.

anyway im not saying they are against killing but given the choice of ripping a squirrels head off and just walking away this is a group that would just walk away. all except nishi, he'd rip its head off then set it on fire and dance around it naked...

Mican

09-16-2008, 04:59 AM

Everytime I visit these gantz threads I'm amazed by how much admiration there is for nishi...but now this ill-will for Reika?

o_O

Mrdelta

09-16-2008, 05:04 AM

I don't admire Nishi, he's a psychotic little prick, but tacitly with a strong front line (Osakans) he's sound.

Shinsou

09-16-2008, 06:30 AM

I have to agree with Mrdelta about it being the right choice not to rush into battle. I give the majority of the credit for the Tokyo team making it back with so few losses is due to the brashness of the Osakan team, and Oka's fight with Nura. Without those the Tokoy team would of ended up just like the Osakan team. Although I will give Katou some credit. If the Tokyo team would of acted first then we would have another Budda mission on our hands. Where at best only one person would of made it back. Reika's first priority as leader was the safety of her team, and not kiling aliens for points. I think that is something that she learned from Kei.

I still don't understand how someone could call Reika a horrible person, she has done nothing to be called horrible. She does have he flaws just like all the other Gantz players. Since we already went over this I am just going to leave it at that for now. Everyone has characters they like and dislike I guess.

Dark Greg

09-16-2008, 12:08 PM

nobody knows :shrug: although Hoi Hoi is cute :aww: pandas can be surprisingly vicious. At least that's what it said at the end of the mission. The simple answer is that it happened off screen. We will just have to wait till the next mission to see super panda ownage.

Lol super panda ownage. But Seriously its bugging me how he mangaed to get 40 points and nobodys else did or got as much. Maybe Gantz gave him points to screw with the other members of the team.

Also I want to see the panda use the suit in action.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-16-2008, 01:12 PM

On the note of what Edward said. What do you mean Reika reminds you of Gackt? She's no where near as conceited or as talented as Gackt is. Also, Gackt is male(pointing out the obvious)and out of all the styles I've seen him in not a single one resembles Reika to me. Even in his visual-K days he wouldn't remind me of her. xD

The admiration I have for Gackt reminds me of the admiration Kei had for her there for a while. That's what I meant.. don't get so offensive over this stuff. It's just my opinion.

As far as Nishi goes, he scares me, big time. :eek:

Dark Greg

09-16-2008, 01:15 PM

I don't like nishi all that much. He is a jerk..big time! He knows all this stuff about gantz but wont tell anyone. When they were on the bird mission, I was happy he died but I also felt bad for him because he only had one point to go.

Hardedge

09-16-2008, 02:51 PM

Noc and NC

09-16-2008, 08:43 PM

I would say a few things in defense of Reika. She did not do anything to hunt the aliens because the Osaka team said that "This is our hunt, and stay out of it."

To actively hunt aliens would mean a fight against aliens AND the Osaka team. And I think the jerks from Osaka would use their H-gun to destroy the Toyko team in short order.

But afterwards they were saying things like, "It's Reika! I'm a big fan!" and whatnot, so if Reika had said she wanted her and team Tokyo to fight, I'm sure the Osaka team would have let them to heighten their chances of scoring with Reika.

roxas_strife

09-16-2008, 09:05 PM

I didn't mean it to be offensive Edward. I was laughing, but I understand your logic now. I admire a lot of japanese artists myself, like Kyo from Dir en Grey or Masufumi Goto from Asian Kung-Fu Generation.

Hardedge makes a better point on her leadership choices than anybody else has. How can you say Izumi isn't a horrible person Mrdelta? Izumi and Nishi are some of the worst people in the story. Nishi for his tactics(albeit they are effective, but dangerous in their own right as well) and Izumi for his complete and utter selfishness, he would do anything to reach his goals. You can call that diligent if you want, but I call it selfish. They are still my 2nd and 3rd favorite characters thus far though.

I do like Reika actually, being a horrible person doesn't mean I don't love the character(if you only knew how much I love the horrible things in Gantz xD). I'm disappointed in her though. She's my 11th favorite character. The intimidating Osakans would definitely be a better reason than the ones Mrdelta is presenting. If you even remotely got in their way they would sooner kill you without concern. However, there were aliens scattered all over. You could have easily gone around taking out some and kept away from them until towards the end. The goal of survival makes no sense to me. I mean considering the fact that the last two missions have been more insane than any of the others in terms of rules. The best way to survive is to get out, which is what they should have been working towards on some level.

Kato is the ideal leader, that's just a simple fact. He wouldn't turn any of them away. Think about how much you can trust someone who is willing to let others die without lifting a finger. I don't know about you,but I would question how much value I am to that leader at that point.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-17-2008, 12:18 AM

Dark Greg

09-17-2008, 12:23 AM

Thanks for not being offensive. IT's ok I know posts can be misinterpeted. Lol That happens to many of my posts.. and it's earned me a bad rep, hopefully not on here though because i love you guys.^^

Anywho,thanks..

I love you too edward! You dont seem bad to me. I like reading what you post in the gantz thread. I never got offended by it.

roxas_strife

09-17-2008, 12:59 AM

I used to go to other threads, but then I just got tired of them. I like most of the regulars on here. I spend a lot of time on my posts usually, sometimes 5 posts are made in between when I started mine and when I finally posted it. xD

Because I go to so few of threads, I mention a lot of other topics and series on here. I need a music forum that is really good to get that part out of my system. Suggestions? :P

I am still conceiving my Gantz fan fiction. I wanted to just throw away everything the other day though. I felt like my writing abilities weren't up to par with what I want it to be. My standards when it comes to Gantz are very hard to satisfy. >>

Why does Nishi scare you Edward? He excites me. xD

Hekiku

09-17-2008, 01:35 AM

Usually when I'm about to post 2 pages go by. Especially when Kei came back. Man, a whole thread for one chapter.

What I like the most though is when someone says something, your ganna have to back that claim up, or else your post gets eaten.

Edwardsanthemighty

09-17-2008, 01:43 AM

I love you too edward! You dont seem bad to me. I like reading what you post in the gantz thread. I never got offended by it.

Awww thankyou!*hugs greg* Now I feel nerdy..lol thanks though!^^

Why does Nishi scare you Edward? He excites me. xD

Why does he scare me? He is pasty white and his eyes are freaky. He is always hiding stuff and....well he's just creepy. I don't trust little psychos.lol :lol:

Akuma564

09-17-2008, 01:45 AM

ok, has anyone read chapter 280 yet?

HOLY CRAP!

forget story development, it's like they loaded Gantz into a canon and shot it into it's point!

HOLY CRAP!!!

IT'S FINALLY DONE IT!!!!!!!!!!

Noc and NC

09-17-2008, 02:05 AM

ok, has anyone read chapter 280 yet?

HOLY CRAP!

forget story development, it's like they loaded Gantz into a canon and shot it into it's point!

HOLY CRAP!!!

IT'S FINALLY DONE IT!!!!!!!!!!

Lol! Nearly all of us read it last week.

But yes, much excitement to be felt about chapter 280.

Vermillius

09-17-2008, 02:15 AM

...maybe it's just me but...

Didn't they say that Nuriyahyoon could only be killed by an attack it couldn't percieve?

If that was the case...then shouldn't Nishi have killed it when he TOOK IT BY SURPRISE?

Just annoyed at the potentially coolest boss fight that ended up being the dumbest. Not only that, but they killed all but one of the Osaka Aces.

If Kurono wasn't brought back, and Nisha didn't make that announcement I would be unhappy.

But Kurono is back. Although...I can't help but think that they will have another mission 3 days prior to the Catastrophe.

Raiden

09-17-2008, 02:22 AM

Hm well I think there are you right Verm. Or maybe Nuri was more or less prepared t obe attacked from behind/from the shadows, so I couldnt tel you why he wasnt when he faced Katou one on one.
(probably just a mstake - that happens^^)

And yeah I'm also pretty happy also I'm still impressed that Nishi got so much points, I mean we never saw him and he got more points then after I-dont-know-how-much-missions (before he died).

Shinsou

09-17-2008, 02:49 AM

Maybe Nishi could of killed Nura if he would of shot him as many times as Katou did. The size of that crater Katou made with the H-Gun was huge. I guess that is how Oku decided to kill Nura, but yeah it does not make a whole lot of sence.

Well I was right on us learning what Nishi knows when this chapter came out. So I am now going to say that the next chapter is going to be a lot like this one, but we are going to find out what the vamps know. Since Nishi left I would assume the Tokyo team is going to confront the vampires, and ask them if they know anything. I am excited to see what they have to say.

Noc and NC

09-17-2008, 02:53 AM

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-17-2008, 03:23 AM

Wasn't Nuri able to sense Nishi before he attacked? Because when Nishi went into stealth mode again, he got his arm blown off- or was that discharge from the gun he had? That part had always confused me.

And it took a whole lot of gunshots to take Nuri down- the hit from Nishi probably wasn't enough anyways since it was pretty much at full health.
Nishi attacked him while invisible after that Nuri knew where he was whether it was by sense or that he always knew he was there and just didn't attack him because Nishi didn't do anything.

That lame invisible thing hasn't been working for Nishi since the first mission. He should stop it already that attack to me always showed his inability in melee fights or any other area of expertise. He always tries for the stealth one kill hit but they never kill.

That invisibility power could be used to confuse the aliens in so many other ways..... Give me a suit and I'd be doing things well... only seen in a manga lol.

roxas_strife

09-17-2008, 03:33 AM

Let's look at the complexity of the forms Nura was in when he was killed and when Nishi attacked Nura. I'm pretty sure his form puts some strain on him. His more powerful ones seem to regenerate slower and not able to multiply. In the form he was in when Nishi attacked was a bunch of weak bodies put together, it's only real threat was overwhelming and suffocating. Now look at the one he was in before he died. It shot like 10 lasers out and continued to stand up without much problem even after he was getting barraged with explosives. The difference in power shows a clear strain on him. When he is in a powerful form, he becomes more vulnerable to the element of surprise.

Honestly, I've always wondered why they don't try to snipe as much as possible. It safer than most forms of assault and effective.

I think Nishi still has some cards he isn't laying down. I think that was either done out of respect, or because of how close to the deadline it was becoming.

Hayate-san

09-17-2008, 03:38 AM

That lame invisible thing hasn't been working for Nishi since the first mission. He should stop it already that attack to me always showed his inability in melee fights or any other area of expertise. He always tries for the stealth one kill hit but they never kill.

hey don't say that. he killed .... ummm, who'd he kill again? :phail:

jk, he got the 75ptr how quickly you forgot :tch: :lol:

well i have to agree with you he does seem to fail more that he succeeds. Also i think your right, deep down Nishi is just a coward as can be seen in the second mission. He probably does not have any melee skills at all, maybe Inaba could even beat him in that sort of fight. (lol probably not)

Noc and NC

09-17-2008, 03:26 PM

He also did pretty good against the vampires in the train.

evanfanilubrei

09-17-2008, 03:38 PM

kei kurono is my hero that guy got the girls and got lot of fighting spirit i hope he can hook up with the idol model what her name again and nishi he just hide and shoot monster in the back like he did in the first volume.but he does know a lott of thing about gantz.

Dark Greg

09-17-2008, 06:11 PM

Nishi is one of those people who are smart and is a jerk to everyone about it. He could very helpful to everyone but he has to be the one jerk about it. I don't think Kei is gonna hook up with the model though because he is in love with Tae.

Jmsn

09-17-2008, 06:19 PM

I just hope the creators with Gantz aint trying to end the series altogether with this 1 week thing,that'd have me pissed.Nishi knows way too much for a mere HS student /Gantz goer.I wonder if one could use 100 points to get information on everything from Gantz.

I think more likely he got the info from that dude Izumi.Somehow I don't see him using 100 pts to leave Gantz.That suits is way too valuable to him.

Dark Greg

09-17-2008, 06:23 PM

I wanna know the backround story of nishi. When they start ending gantz there better be alot of flashbacks to explain everything or my head is gonna be full of theroies. Nishi and Izumi had a relation though but how did they when Nishi is a jerk to everyone. I don't think you can get info with 100 points though because that option didn't show up and the ball screen. I think its just something you figure out.

Shinsou

09-17-2008, 06:26 PM

Honestly, I've always wondered why they don't try to snipe as much as possible. It safer than most forms of assault and effective.

With the time limit it would be difficult to snipe all the time. I agree that it is the most effective and safest method, but you need the aliens to come to where you are in order to snipe them. Because of the time limit most of the time they have to go hunt down the aliens, and don't have time to wait for the aliens to show themselves. Although now that the time limits are gone I guess it does not pose a problem anymore.

Also I still hold out hope that Reika and Kei will "hook up" so never say never. :thumbup:

Edit: Well Nishi was there for a year before the start of the manga. So we have always known he knew a lot more than he was letting on. I would like to know whether he learned all of this info before or after Izumi left Gantz. Because if Izumi knew all of this I wonder why he would of left?

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-17-2008, 07:44 PM

Yea I remember Nishi getting that 75 pointer but his approach is getting tired. I just don't like how he and others who do the same make the ability of invisibility look so lame, yes it's for stealth mostly but can be used for all other types of trickery and advantages in a fight. Nishi didn't do much in the train with Izumi, he seems the type to say he's doesn't care about a situation or say he can't be troubled with this fight like he did on the train but the truth is he's just scared to die and doesn't want to risk his life. He's a good character if that was what Oku was going for tho.

I mentioned Nishi's past being important before when the story starts he is the only person in the room who was previously on a mission which means that team either all died or all got a 100 pts and left or some of both. Either way Nishi just survived, whether he wants to admit or not I'm sure he was scared and alone just like Kei was when everyone died.

Why Izumi left confuses me to anger, I'm gonna guess he was forced out by Gantz or put in a situation where he had to leave or maybe he didn't realize how much he loved doing the missions until his memory was erased and he felt something missing. Cuz he went to the extent of basically having a one man massacre to get back there.

Now that I think about how things are and how much time is left I wouldn't mind a new character kinda to explain everything in flashbacks or just by telling ppl what's the deal. It seems even if Izumi comes back he still won't have his memory and since Gantz only brings you back from when you die in missions the Izumi that would return would be the one who got killed by Kei and that's months ago.

roxas_strife

09-17-2008, 09:14 PM

I don't know what your talking about Mitsu. The theory about Izumi doesn't make sense. I think Nishi looks up to Izumi for his power or something like that. Not like a mentor, more like he's impressed with him.

A lot of people tend to forget the abilities of the controller, it's more than stealth you know. xD

The problem with Sniping that you were talking about Shinsou can be easily solved with the controller. It pinpoints the targets position, and it gives you a lay out of the area you have for the mission. This could help you pick ideal sniping spots easily.

I don't care if we learn about Nishi's past or not really. I think his motives for doing what he does is self benefit and to find strong people for this impending doom that seems to face mankind. He might have been in there so long just because he's getting rid of the useless and letting the strong make their way towards the end.

Izumi was probably just like Kei in the past. He wanted to get out and survive. I think had Kei not found Tae or Kato not died Kei would have become like him in many ways.

Shinsou

09-17-2008, 09:53 PM

The problem with Sniping that you were talking about Shinsou can be easily solved with the controller. It pinpoints the targets position, and it gives you a lay out of the area you have for the mission. This could help you pick ideal sniping spots easily.

Well the timer would still pose a problem if Gantz still enforced it. If the aliens don't move or they are to spread out then sniping would not work. I remembered the conrtoller, but I did not use it in my post, because like the Tokyo team has been doing, if they know the location of the alien they would move to its location instead of waiting for it to come to them so they can snipe it. But since it looks like the time limit is no longer enforced there is no problem now.

I said while ago that I though that Nishi and the Tokyo team faced a tough mission after Izumi left, and the entire team was killed except for Nishi. He would of survived because the time ran out, and he lost all his points. That would explain why he does not have any upgraded equipment even though he has been in Gantz for over a year, or why he did not free himself during his time in Gantz.

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-17-2008, 10:17 PM

I don't know what your talking about Mitsu. The theory about Izumi doesn't make sense. I think Nishi looks up to Izumi for his power or something like that. Not like a mentor, more like he's impressed with him.
What theory about Izumi? All I said was I doubt that he'd be coming back although I want him to. The reason was because the Izumi that would be coming back would not be the one that died against the vamps but the Izumi that killed everyone to get in the game in the first place. I then said i'd like to see a new character to be introduced and explain all the stuff we want to know about Gantz cuz I doubt Izumi is coming back, I mention Izumi cuz ppl think if he had his memory back he would know a lot like Nishi.

About Izumi leaving the first time, I said it doesn't make much sense since he showed that he'd kill anyone to get that feeling of risking his life on every mission. That obsession with wanting to go back to Gantz leads me to believe that Izumi might have been forced out or put in a situation where he had to leave. I don't think Izumi is anything like Kei at any time at all, he's the type of person that is good at everything so good that he got bored with his life and when he got with Gantz he found something worthwhile. When he left he even with no memory something was missing in his life. He realized he's better off doing it since he really enjoys it, I mean he was willing to believe in something as crazy as what was said on Nishi's Gantz site and pursue it and get to Kei.

Now that I've restated it clearer what doesn't make sense? Also I never really mentioned anything with Izumi and Nishi about a mentor.

Also all I was saying in the begining was Nishi is kinda lame for using the same tactic all the time.
I said while ago that I though that Nishi and the Tokyo team faced a tough mission after Izumi left, and the entire team was killed except for Nishi. He would of survived because the time ran out, and he lost all his points. That would explain why he does not have any upgraded equipment even though he has been in Gantz for over a year, or why he did not free himself during his time in Gantz.
That's impossible, he's been it for a year then just lost all of his points after Izumi left cuz time ran out and his team died? Then how come he has 90 points after the first mission in the manga?
http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Gantz/020/006.jpg
Even if he was on many missions after Izumi left how is it that he is the only one that survived? Unless you think they all died and Nishi just came in to beat the boss every time by himself and won which is soooo unlikely.

roxas_strife

09-17-2008, 11:12 PM

Shinsou's theory about Nishi isn't far off. The thing I said about Nishi being impressed with Izumi(not mentor) had nothing to do with what Mitsu said. It was just in the same paragraph. I was commenting on your theory about if Izumi came back he would be the one that Kei killed. I see no reason to come to that conclusion.

For the common enemies the time limit would be no problem, a lot of the time they don't even go directly after them anyways. The time limit would be almost no threat with the suit on and the user not wasting time.

The only things that doesn't fit with your theory about Nishi really Shinsou is that we don't know anything about that team, and that if Nishi did indeed fail a mission, then that alien more than likely came after them. In fact, maybe they all failed the mission and were attacked outside of the room. ( I say all this only to show that there are to many possibilities with the past that we really don't know a thing about)

I'm pretty sure Izumi left of his own accord. I think the situation you are talking about Mitsu would be really interesting though. I wonder how strong the aliens were back when Izumi was around. We've only caught a glimpse of one of their hunts. I would like the writer to do a volume all about Izumi and Nishi's past. Kind of like a mini-series you know.

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-17-2008, 11:43 PM

I was commenting on your theory about if Izumi came back he would be the one that Kei killed. I see no reason to come to that conclusion.
Why not? Gantz didn't bring Kei back after HS killed him he brought back the Kei that was just in the room after making the choice to leave. This basically lets us know if you die in the outside world Gantz can only bring the you that was just in the room(I'd assume the you right after your latest mission).

So if Izumi was brought back he would at most have memories of the Dino mission. He'd have no memories of Oni mission or being killed by the vamps.

The only other Izumi to be brought back would be even farther back and that'd be the Izumi who was in Gantz the first time around with memories.

SKATEateer

09-17-2008, 11:45 PM

so any idea when the next chapter will be out?

Dark Greg

09-18-2008, 12:20 AM

so any idea when the next chapter will be out?

Friday or this weekend maybe? Anyone have any thoughts about whats going to happen?

Shinsou

09-18-2008, 12:32 AM

That's impossible, he's been it for a year then just lost all of his points after Izumi left cuz time ran out and his team died? Then how come he has 90 points after the first mission in the manga?
http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/Gantz/020/006.jpg
Even if he was on many missions after Izumi left how is it that he is the only one that survived? Unless you think they all died and Nishi just came in to beat the boss every time by himself and won which is soooo unlikely.

Ok we all know Nishi was in Gantz for over a year at the start of the manga. It does not make a lot of sence to me that after being in Gantz for a year you would only have 90 points. This leads me to believe that he either lost a mission so his points got taken away, or his skills in Gantz to kill aliens are not much better than Inaba's.

This is what I ment about Izumi leaving. The team Nishi and Izumi were on either they all died, or they all got 100 points and left Nishi by himself. Those are the only two explanations about what could of happened to them. So when Izumi left Gantz I think that the Tokyo team fell apart, and they all failed a mission and all died except for Nishi. This failed mission would explain why Nishi had only 90 points at the start of the manga. Since from the time he lost the mission to the time Kei arrived he gained 90 points. Although roxas did bring up the point the alien would come after him if he did fail a mission, but also adding that in would require way to much thinking. :D

This is how Nishi got the 90 points he had at the start of the manga. He says to Kei and them that they are the first ones to survive in a while. So after the former Tokyo team all died or left Gantz Nishi did what he always does. He waited for the new Gantz players to disrtact the aliens then he killed them while he was invisible.

Now this is all speculation, and like roxas said there are to many possibilities because of the limited amount of information about what happened in Gantz before Kei arrived.

Also Gantz comes out once every two weeks. So it will not be out this week, but next Thrusday or Friday I think.

Hayate-san

09-18-2008, 12:49 AM

Why not? Gantz didn't bring Kei back after HS killed him he brought back the Kei that was just in the room after making the choice to leave. This basically lets us know if you die in the outside world Gantz can only bring the you that was just in the room(I'd assume the you right after your latest mission).

So if Izumi was brought back he would at most have memories of the Dino mission. He'd have no memories of Oni mission or being killed by the vamps.

The only other Izumi to be brought back would be even farther back and that'd be the Izumi who was in Gantz the first time around with memories.

If Izumi were revived then he would at least have his memories up to when he choose the upgrade after the oni mission. Imo he would in fact have all his memories up to his death. The reason is that your example with kei is flawed. Kei had chosen freedom, thus the chip in his head was removed and gantz no longer updated his memories. The chips in the gantzer's heads are always active as can be seen by the fact that people who talk about gantz are killed by gantz. A better example is the fact that kei knows everything that has happened when he is brought to the room after Izumi's killing spree. Kei had been shot so of course gantz revived him in his unharmed state just before being shot. kei then tries to attack Izumi but fails. If your theory was correct then Kei's memory would have been that of when he lost all his points, thus he would not have known what Izumi did and thus not have tried to attack him.

He also did pretty good against the vampires in the train.

lol, if by 'good' you mean laying there and letting Izumi carve em up with the gantz sword :lol:

roxas_strife

09-18-2008, 02:01 AM

Your theory is definitely flawed Mitsu. Gantz brought back the Kei that he had last transported. Meaning the Izumi that would be brought back would be the one right before the scoring of the Oni mission. It's an interesting idea though.

I think if Nishi got serious from the beginning of every mission and was more direct in confrontations. He would be amazing. He likes ranged weapons though, and he's the only other person than Kato we've actually seen use the Y-Gun. NOBODY EVER USES IT! I consider it an essential piece of equipment. >>

Atori

09-18-2008, 02:16 AM

on the Nishi subject about his points just remember back in the begining all the points they got werent alot. were just now seeings some higher ups but thats prolly because of the kastrophy coming up. and if Nishi did have a team and we dont kno how long he ws with this team b4 he soloed. Izumi was on it that much we know and if he was the same as he is now(was* now that hes dead :\) then we can say that he liked to hog the bosses like he does and maybe even got a few weapons but they didnt come back when he did or maybe they were destroyed(if thats even possible i havent seen any break that i recall)(cept the bike idk wtf happened to it might still be in the room)but so we got atleast 1 power player during this time span and whos to say any of the other like 3 it showed when Izumi remembered their faces wernt good enough to get atleast close to 100.

They prolly died in 70+ if u ask me and just didnt make 100. plus if u go by them not haveing alot of monsters and them being weaker and very seldomly haveing a bigger maybe 30+ guy then it would take time for all of them to rack up points. And also we still dont kno what made Nishi the way he is he might have been like a reg kid b4 this and wasnt good at the game till he became like he is now.

Also from what i saw when he noticed Izumi it looked to me like he looked up to Nishi at 1 time or atleast was friends with him. And i just thought ok when nishi first died and some1 plz look it up i cant remember but i think he was talking about being free. Idk tho because he said mother aswell. think it was mother just a few more and ill be free but might have been jsut a few more. His mom might be dead and he wanted to revive her??

but back on subject we dont know just how good Nishi was then and also from what i gather missions are about a month apart so 12 missions is 1 year if thats right. and 12 missions with lower lvl aliens and ppl who hog all the kills it could take a while. but since hes got 90 id say he didnt lose any points just got some more after he became alone. So to me this makes sense.

but then again if u look at it from the beginning of the manga when the first kill was 2 points even though he said "2 points thats it??"(somthin like that) doesnt mean he was used to getting alot more and soloing missions isnt that ez looking from kuronos shortty mission. but he did have invis so who knows. point is at start of manga they bearly got any points so it looked like 90 points would take FOREVER with ppl getting like 0-10 points a mission unless they ownt almost all aliens + boss

also i dont think Nishi is the badass we all think he is. i mean he is "good" but not amazeing. look at how we first met him and his mission after and u see that he was in stealth because he wasnt that good(my opinion) but now when he came back i think oku tryed to make him a lil more badass but he still hids because he isnt amazeing
(just my opinions >.>)

@roxas
i think Izumi would remember up to the night he died right b4 he died like the rest when they are transfewred back to gantz. i dont think hell be back at that night because he was still in Gantz(not the room but u know >.> still playin) I think kurono didnt know because Gantz didnt have any data of him after that since he left. But since he knew about cherry which was after oni mission he should have izumi after oni mission hopefully with memorys of what he said to that chick so he can go up and be like "comeon its ur b-day were going to disney land!!"(think it was disney land prolly wrong tho xD)

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-18-2008, 02:18 AM

If Izumi were revived then he would at least have his memories up to when he choose the upgrade after the oni mission. Imo he would in fact have all his memories up to his death. The reason is that your example with kei is flawed. Kei had chosen freedom, thus the chip in his head was removed and gantz no longer updated his memories. The chips in the gantzer's heads are always active as can be seen by the fact that people who talk about gantz are killed by gantz. A better example is the fact that kei knows everything that has happened when he is brought to the room after Izumi's killing spree. Kei had been shot so of course gantz revived him in his unharmed state just before being shot. kei then tries to attack Izumi but fails. If your theory was correct then Kei's memory would have been that of when he lost all his points, thus he would not have known what Izumi did and thus not have tried to attack him.
Wait its an assumption to say the chip in Kei's head was removed. I happen to think it's the chip that erased his memories so it wouldn't be removed. I do get what you're saying IF the chip was removed.

As for that example it's questionable that Kei died from Izumi's one shot, when he got transferred I saw that as what Gantz always does in missions when they are finished, he transfers everyone who is alive even if they are dying. What Gantz told Izumi to do(get strong ppl) can be seen as a mission.

Anyway why would Kei lose his memory after being shot by Izumi and then being transferred to the room? In a moment up to death the ppl always remember what happened and how they should have died or did when transferred to the room and everything before that. There is no memory erasing during the transfer to the room. So there is no reason for Kei to be transferred to the room as the Kei who was left all alone after he failed that mission.

My theory, I guess is that when Gantz brings a person back to life it is from the last time they were in the room or if they died during a mission. I forgot about after the Oni mission so the Izumi that would be brought back would be the one who just finished that mission. If you die in the real world the you that is brought back will only be the last one that was either after a mission or if you died during a mission. The Kei that came back was after the Oni mission and the Katou that came back was the one who died in the buddha mission.

But back to when Izumi killed everyone, there are two options I see it was either another type of mission

@Shinsou what you said overall makes sense. The only problem I have is its only two options, Nishi either was on one mission before the start of the manga and got 90 points or he was on numerous missions and got 90 points slowly cuz he just isn't all that good. In the first one that would mean for a second time he was left alone if you add in what you said about him failing a mission and going back to 0. If he was on one mission before the start of the manga everyone must've died.

If he was on numerous missions that would mean he has terrible luck and either everyone kept dying or got a 100 points and left him alone. In the end its either those two options, also even with the influx of new ppl and them not wearing suits and dying its hard to believe that if Nishi went on numerous missions to reach 90 pts that by the time of the manga there'd be nobody left alive.

Either way I was just trying to say Nishi was left all alone similar to Kei after the Buddha mission and I think that for Nishi there was more to it which may have to deal with how he find out so much about Gantz.

Hayate-san

09-18-2008, 03:34 AM

Wait its an assumption to say the chip in Kei's head was removed. I happen to think it's the chip that erased his memories so it wouldn't be removed. I do get what you're saying IF the chip was removed.

As for that example it's questionable that Kei died from Izumi's one shot, when he got transferred I saw that as what Gantz always does in missions when they are finished, he transfers everyone who is alive even if they are dying. What Gantz told Izumi to do(get strong ppl) can be seen as a mission.

Anyway why would Kei lose his memory after being shot by Izumi and then being transferred to the room? In a moment up to death the ppl always remember what happened and how they should have died or did when transferred to the room and everything before that. There is no memory erasing during the transfer to the room. So there is no reason for Kei to be transferred to the room as the Kei who was left all alone after he failed that mission.

Yes i am assuming the chip is removed when they are free, but why wouldn't it be? the chip is inplanted when they become a gantzer, it is shown to be the cause of gehd, (gantz exploding head disease) is seen when a gantzer might divulge secrets of gantz, and it is the only known thing connecting the gantz players to the gantz room. Imo the chip would be removed when the person is freed, (i think it is completly possible if not probable that the chip erases the memories) but there is nothing to support the idea that the chip would still be within a freed gantzer.

The only way to know for sure would be to have cherry scan the brain of the dead kei. ... just had a thought, when the psychics fought Izumi, Sakata looked into his brain in an attempt to kill him and from the view we are given there is no chip. :D (yes i am completely aware this does not fully disprove your theory)

As for your questioning about my example prehaps you should reread it after reading my short explanation of what i meant:
I did not say Kei was killed, in fact i said the opposite because if he was killed he wouldn't have come back.
He was transfered to the gantz room for the next mission. When he was transfered he no longer had a bullet wound :eek: WOOOO How did he do that? :lol:
Gantz transfers the most up to date version of the person that is not injured. for another example in the first mission Kato returns to the room in the position he was in just before the onion alien cut his arm.
As i said if gantz only stored the data from their last mission as you are postulating then Kei would come back bullet hole free but he would also be lacking the integral information which he received off mission, THAT IZUMI WANTED BACK IN THE GANTZ ROOM AND THAT HE WOULD KILL TO DO IT.

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-18-2008, 04:20 AM

Yes i am assuming the chip is removed when they are free, but why wouldn't it be? the chip is inplanted when they become a gantzer
My little theory on that is the chip remains in your head inactive just in case. Just in case for what? the whole situation with Izumi, Gantz couldn't have happened to come across him a 2nd time by chance. It's probable that something along the lines happened when he interacted with Kei and kept the topic on Gantz but this is an open ended theory.
He was transfered to the gantz room for the next mission. When he was transfered he no longer had a bullet wound WOOOO How did he do that?
That's why I said that whole thing with Izumi killing everyone could be seen as his mission to recruit strong ppl. I guess in this situation and this is all my perspective was that Kei was the boss. Think of the targets as humans and just like aliens they are intially weak but then we come across strong ones(Kaze, Sakata, cherry). Then the boss was Kei, I'd say Izumi failed but the main goal wasn't to kill Kei but get strong ppl to be in the missions even though Izumi may not have been aiming for that either his focus was Kei, so after Izum died and Kei was dying Gantz decides to end this little recruitment mission and start the real mission with this new team.

This is my skewed way of looking at it from the way Gantz has done things in the past, I don't see it as fact but a possibility
As i said if gantz only stored the data from their last mission as you are postulating then Kei would come back bullet hole free but he would also be lacking the integral information which he received off mission
This is what I don't get, Kei did not die we both agree on that. he was transferred to the room for a mission. I'd assume he was dying just not dead yet and Gantz does what he always done have you in a non-dying state when you come to the room. Besides that Kei was being transferred for a mission even if he had the bullet wound he would still have his memories up to date.

If you take my theory that what Izumi did was in some form a mission it makes even more sense that when Kei got transferred he no longer had the bullet wound.

Again my originally theory is based off when a person is killed on a off day not dying but dead. If that person is brought back to life by someone the them that was last in the room is the one that would be brought back. Kei being shot by Izumi can't be an example because he did not die and he was being transferred to the room for a mission. Even if he died somebody would have to bring him back first.

I'm not saying when you're transferred to the room for a mission it's the you that was last in the room. I'm saying when you are dead and brought back it is the you that was last in the room after a mission.

I hope things are clear on what was saying now.

Mrdelta

09-18-2008, 05:25 AM

We all know Mr. Gantz is not above targeting humans who are a threat but I can not see him setting up a human hunt even if it IS a recruitment drive. if it were that Izumi would have gotten some points at least. gotta love Gantz' Idea of a recruitment drive though.

roxas_strife

09-18-2008, 05:29 AM

I know I usually make really long posts, but you all need to get to the point faster. Those are not brief reads at all. xD

I agree with Mitsu on the chip. It's placed right where memories are kept if I remember right... Damn biology. I don't think Gantz takes out the chip, if he did then how would he know that Izumi wanted back in? Gantz doesn't seem to be aware of the website, or that Nishi has done all of that. If he is he is overlooking a rule he normally wouldn't. Anyways, the point is Gantz knew Izumi was all for a return.

I really do think the basis for the point in time that person is brought back has to do with the last time Gantz transferred said person. Why? Because of the way transferring takes place partly. It's almost like an upload and downloading. He scans and heals everything about the body. Maybe the chip also keeps them from losing memories during transfer, if it weren't for the fact that upon first entry into Gantz all burns, scars and diseases are healed. I would say you guys had a pretty good idea on this. (most of this is just conjecture)

I wonder what it would be like had Kei's body and the female vampire been transferred with Reika. Would Kei have the memory he had collected from his time outside of Gantz. Maybe....

Hayate-san

09-18-2008, 07:51 AM

That's why I said that whole thing with Izumi killing everyone could be seen as his mission to recruit strong ppl. I guess in this situation and this is all my perspective was that Kei was the boss. Think of the targets as humans and just like aliens they are intially weak but then we come across strong ones(Kaze, Sakata, cherry). Then the boss was Kei, I'd say Izumi failed but the main goal wasn't to kill Kei but get strong ppl to be in the missions even though Izumi may not have been aiming for that either his focus was Kei, so after Izum died and Kei was dying Gantz decides to end this little recruitment mission and start the real mission with this new team.

This is a strange idea, but it is interesting. The mini gantz ball telling you to put on black face an go murder people. :D

Again my originally theory is based off when a person is killed on a off day not dying but dead. If that person is brought back to life by someone the them that was last in the room is the one that would be brought back. Kei being shot by Izumi can't be an example because he did not die and he was being transferred to the room for a mission. Even if he died somebody would have to bring him back first.

Ahh, this is where our opinions actually differ (besides whether or not the chip stays in their head) the way i see it since the chip is in them at all times it is constantly updating the information on the player, thus if a gantzer were to die during the down time between missions and was revived that person would have all memories up till they were fatally injured.

The Kei example was used to show that, but we both know he was dying, not dead. Although they are different, one being a revival the other just a transfer there is still no evidence to show that these two things do not operate the same way.

Yet another piece i would like to point out would be in the first mission. (i think :)) When everyone was whining about how they were all dead one of them asks if anyone actually remembers dying and no one is able to answer. Also in the early chapters Nishi tells them that gantz essentially makes a copy of them just before they die.

Imo why would this method change when we are talking about revivals or transfers.

I know I usually make really long posts, but you all need to get to the point faster. Those are not brief reads at all. xD

sorry about that lol i think this one is a bit shorter (not by much though)

Had something else to say but im too tired, do it tomorrow :yawn:

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-18-2008, 08:12 AM

Imo why would this method change when we are talking about revivals or transfers.
I've mentioned this before about what Nishi said about Gantz making copies of the person when they die in reference to what Sakata said.

Although you bring up the point of nobody in that first mission or w/e mission it was saying they did not remember actually when they died everyone who were conscious at the time can recall the events leading up to their death to me I would say that's close enough or one in the same.

Another example is Izumi after getting his head blown up by the gun thinking about his death and how it felt. Something along the lines of "Well this is death.." or "So this is how I die" He clearly can distinguish between when he was dying/dead and then when he got in to the room.
Ahh, this is where our opinions actually differ (besides whether or not the chip stays in their head) the way i see it since the chip is in them at all times it is constantly updating the information on the player, thus if a gantzer were to die during the down time between missions and was revived that person would have all memories up till they were fatally injured.
I guess this is where we do differ because the chip may be what erasers the memory and it may be used to keep an eye on a gantzer if they break any rules but I don't see how it can also retain/record all of that person's memories and then after their death if brought back they'd have all their memories up to their death. I see the chip as a trigger to alert Gantz if his named or any other assortments of words having to do with him get mentioned. Then it can erase a person memory or just blow their brains up.

I guess we will see who is right IF Izumi is brought back. If he has his memories up to his death my question would be why not the same for Kei.

Mrdelta

09-18-2008, 08:20 AM

I wonder what it would be like had Kei's body and the female vampire been transferred with Reika. Would Kei have the memory he had collected from his time outside of Gantz. Maybe....

that is an interesting question. I tend to think he would have ended up like Izumi as he would have been brought back through a fresh scan. that in its self would have its own charm as we are not sure what he got back in that instant in battle.

story wise I get it but does anyone else find it odd that no one had a doubt that he could be brought back? I mean the worry was should he be brought back not could he be brought back. no one ever checked the list. I would have laughed my *** off if when Kato made his choice, gantz had come back, "404 loser not found."

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-18-2008, 08:25 AM

story wise I get it but does anyone else find it odd that no one had a doubt that he could be brought back? I mean the worry was should he be brought back not could he be brought back. no one ever checked the list. I would have laughed my *** off if when Kato made his choice, gantz had come back, "404 loser not found."
As funny as that would be Gantz doesn't care about making duplicates of a person as we seen with Kishi.

Also it may be that if a person chooses to leave they also show up on the list with dead ppl but that's a whole other can of worms.

Hayate-san

09-18-2008, 09:37 AM

Had something else to say but im too tired, do it tomorrow :yawn:

I lied, sorry ;)

Although you bring up the point of nobody in that first mission or w/e mission it was saying they did not remember actually when they died everyone who were conscious at the time can recall the events leading up to their death to me I would say that's close enough or one in the same.

Not really they can't actually remember being killed b/c gantz "clones" them just before they are killed. (i don't want to start another discussion on whether the gantzer should be considered clones, copies ect. so don't start) they can remember just up to the time but not when they were actually shot, clubbed, or run over by a train. this is important in my view because i am comparing the 3 standard methods of getting to the gantz room. (as far as i can tell grabbing a gantzer in mid transfer is just a loop hole) The 3 occurring at death, game time, and revival. As all 3 methods are under the control of gantz logically the methods would function in very similar ways. Since we know basically how the death entrance works, and we have a very general understanding that the other two do similar things, (bring them to the gantz room before they gained any injuries) imo it would seem to be an erroneous assumption that the two other techniques work in a completely different manner. That's why im trying to draw these similarities between the 3, but whether my comparisons are right or that i am pulling these things out of my sleep deprived a$$ remains to be seen.

Another example is Izumi after getting his head blown up by the gun thinking about his death and how it felt. Something along the lines of "Well this is death.." or "So this is how I die" He clearly can distinguish between when he was dying/dead and then when he got in to the room.

If i recall correctly Kei had the same experience in the first chapter, but these were the ravings of a disembodied head so pay them no heed. jk what i meant to say was that these are the Kei and Izumi that died, not the kei and Izumi that gantz created and brought to the room. in my mind those as well as the old man's experience might be an insight on Oku's views on death.

I guess this is where we do differ because the chip may be what erasers the memory and it may be used to keep an eye on a gantzer if they break any rules but I don't see how it can also retain/record all of that person's memories and then after their death if brought back they'd have all their memories up to their death. I see the chip as a trigger to alert Gantz if his named or any other assortments of words having to do with him get mentioned. Then it can erase a person memory or just blow their brains up.

The chip is defiantly everything you said. I never actually stated that the chip does the storing of information. Imo that would be a pretty bad method to go by because if the gantzer head is destroyed completely chip and all, then the person would not be on the memory. what i meant was that it facilitates the transfer of the player's memories back to gantz where it is stored (whether the black ball or some other place) i think this is a reasonable assumption since you can tell that the chip is linked through some means back to the gantz ball (how else does gantz find them in order to assemble them for the hunt and establish parameters for the hunting grounds)

I guess we will see who is right IF Izumi is brought back. If he has his memories up to his death my question would be why not the same for Kei.

Yes we will just have to wait. BUT going with my theory that the chip is removed when freedom is chosen would mean that the last update for Kei on the gantz memory would be from when he left, thus the revived kei never experienced that ~month of freedom, and assuming the memory is constantly updated (even off mission) then Izumi would know everything (exept that he said he was going to disney land b/c he was already wounded).

Another option could be that the chip simply deactivates/goes to stealth mode when freedom is chosen thus yeilding the same result as above, and explaining how gantz knew of Izumi's desire to return leading it to give him the pocket gantz so he would try to return.

omg im sorry i made you all read my ramblings now im going to bed for real this time.:yawn:

roxas_strife

09-18-2008, 09:02 PM

Mitsu The Black Cypher

09-18-2008, 09:21 PM

The chips must communicate, that's the only way I can rationalize how some someone can talk about Gantz outside of it at all. Izumi must have had a chip still in. I do think it becomes more dormant though, only reacting to certain things. It closes off all normal functions, we don't even know if Gantz explodes their heads if they are free.

The reason I mentioned the chips communicating is because Gantz could possibly get data from someone else's chip. I doubt it, but I'm just mentioning.

I hate the idea that they are just clones. It always makes me sad... I mean just knowing that some of my favorite characters of all time are just copies of their originals. I probably shouldn't look at it like that though.
It's not that sad cuz the truth is worse "The original you DID die" The best evidence of this is with Kishi. Maybe it's kinda like if you're on your deathbed and Death comes to take you, usually Death takes you when he knows you're gonna die but some miracle of sorts occur and you don't die and he shouldn't have taken you.

Gantz copies the ppl he thinks are gonna die or should've died and then gets rid of their original dead bodies not to cause any confusion/problems or not to lead anything back to him. With Kishi it couldn't work out cuz she survived.

Anyway I just thought of a major effed up twist to Gantz what if everyone is dead and everything that is happening is just some mass simulated program by Gantz? Kinda like some Matrix stuff?