[Character] "Red Flag" X Drake

[Silvers Rayleigh]

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Ｘ (ディエス)・ドレク
X (Diesu) Dorēku

Known as the "Red Flag".
An "Eleven Supernova".
Captain of "The Drake Pirates".
Former Rear Admiral.

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User of the rare "Ancient" zoan DF that allows him to turn into a Terapod Dino(maybe more).

Discuss away.

[sena-kun21]

I like this guy. He's very interesting to watch...especially finding out that he's a Zoan type DF user (and an ancient one at that). But what I'm mostly looking forward to is his fighting style. I understand he wields both a sword and a 4-sided axe (like Zoro does with his 3 swords), but is there anything else he could do...? It's what I'm wondering.

[methaniel]

Another of those threads I'm not sure it's really usefull, but well, there was threads for Law and Kidd made a bit before, so I can't realy say no (though I hope it won't go in creating a thread for Bonney and everyone...we already have the SuperNovas Discussion where we talked a lot about it)

So, his Ancient Fruit brought a new notion to OP world...the DF are evolving with their times and era, that's a god think to know.
By the way, his fruit is cool, I think it's a raptor personally (looking at the claws, and when he reverted back in human form), but with just the shadow, we can't be sure.

There is as well a mistranslation in one of the chapters about Drake's previous rank within the Marines, but I don't know which one is the real one. And I actually think that the form we saw just after he was hit by Kuma is more or less his hybrid form...but agin, nothing is sure yet

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Drake has opened many new DF doors for specualtion. His DF is my main reasoning for making this thread. It opens doors to other Ancient Zoans and maybe even mythological DF's.

Drake is just an interesting character and there's enough to talk about now.

[methaniel]

Yeah, that's why I talked about it (even though this whole talk had been amorced already in the DF thread, and the SuperNovas thread >.>)
And I agree that this Ancient explains at least why the encyclopedia on the DF is incomplete since DF are evolving (and even without it, I think it wasn't complete to begin with). I wouldn't move onto Mythological Fruit though...if there is Dragon Fruit, it may be not mythological since they may exist in One Piece (like in the fillers of the anime...but since it's a filler, I don't know if we can trust it about dragons)

Oh, and also, what pushed this man to quit the army? If he became a Pirate, it doesn't mean he as a pacifist (like Saul could have been), so it's possible that he learned about truths who sholdn't be known (Void Century or not?), and left after that

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Well, i said "mythological" as in mythological to us. One Piece has dragons i believe but they're still myths to us. Anyways, w/e.

I personally think that Drake saw the govt. as corrupt and he left and decided to oppose it. I think he personal views and nothing more had everything to do with him leaving. I doubt Drake knows anything about the "Void Century" other than the generalization of it.

Kizaru said he left to experience the "other side" and i think there's some truth to that, but that's not all of it.

[voodoochild]

he seems calm and able to make logical decisions.This only natural since he was a rear admiral before he became pirate.His fruit seems to be powerful,maybe most powerful zoan type.

If there is something called ancient zoan type I wonder if there are other ancient animal types too.Or maybe ancient logia or ancient paramecia fruits....Weak possibility though.

I don't think he quit army because of personal reasons though.He must have found out something big.Probably Void Century.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

His DF is without a doubt the most "powerful" Zoan shown so far. Also, i think if Drake knew anything about the "Void Century" then the WG would kill or try to kill him. Even if they didn't know that he found out about the Void Century, they still would've guessed that as a former Rear-Admiral that he'd know enough of their secrets or even just battle formations to make hima truly potent threat to the WG. They'd go all out if he knew even a little about the Void Century.

[methaniel]

Well, indeed, his DF has the basic for being one of the powerfullest. We have kno yet to see if it has some specificities with his fighting skills (like the CP9 who combined the Rokukishi with their zoans powers)...But just on raw strength, it's a carnivorous animal, so you can expect a lot from it.

And well, he has a huge Bounty on him...It hink it means that the WG wants him dead or alive. Robin knew stuff about the Void Century as well, but she' still alive (and with an even lower bounty, but that's also due to the fact she hadn't a lot of strenght back then)
But it can be simply to change his seeing on the sea that he changed boards

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Well, indeed, his DF has the basic for being one of the powerfullest. We have kno yet to see if it has some specificities with his fighting skills (like the CP9 who combined the Rokukishi with their zoans powers)...But just on raw strength, it's a carnivorous animal, so you can expect a lot from it.

And well, he has a huge Bounty on him...It hink it means that the WG wants him dead or alive. Robin knew stuff about the Void Century as well, but she' still alive (and with an even lower bounty, but that's also due to the fact she hadn't a lot of strenght back then)
But it can be simply to change his seeing on the sea that he changed boards

His Zoan alone is the most powerful we've seen. It doesn't get more carnivorous than a T-rex or most dinosaurs for that matter.

Robin knew stuff and she lived a very terrible life because of it. The WG has pursued her since she was 8 or w/e and she would've been dead had it not been for Aokiji's friendship with Saul. Robin is essentially very lucky and nlucky at the same time.

As for Drake, i think he did for personal views and as you and Kizaru said, "to see the other side".

[godofdeath1379]

the thing i notised about zoan fruit and one piece is one piece has a lot of animals like the bear rabbit but no DF for them and at the same time i have never seen a leopard or a wolf in the one pice world. the only normal animal ever mentioned actually existing is reindeer.

also in all for the idea of mythological fruit i mean it puts the zoan more on par with the logia fruit i kinda thought they were the worst but with this new intorduction theyu have shot up to my favorite type of fruit. also i wnat to se more of drakes sword skill every where i read about him it says he has amazing sword skills but he has yet to demonstrate them.

[Xirmi]

Yeah, I wonder why there hasn't been a zoan fruit of does bear rabbits things or something similar? Perhaps in the new world?

@godofdeath1379 - still leopards and such count as normal animals, and there was a giant tiger in the island were the giants Broki and Dori fought.

[My December]

Yeah, I wonder why there hasn't been a zoan fruit of does bear rabbits things or something similar? Perhaps in the new world?.

lol, You don't expect every single animal in the world would be used as Zoan DF in the One Piece series do you?

[PiRaTEs LikE Me]

Drake is a former Rear Admiral so doesn't that mean he probably also mastered Rokushiki technique...
Because rokushiki was like a type of fighting skill in WG & Marine

[heychris80]

For some reason I think Drake could be the most important SN (besides Luffy of course) because like everyone said, there has to be a big reason he left the marines, and that reason could later on become a very important part of the story. Void century I thought was a good guess, or how the World Government handled it? Or he could very well be fed up with how the World Government (since he seemed disgusted with Vegapunk and the Pacifista). However, Law asked him how many people he's killed, which kind of contradicts the fed up with World Government reason.

[youngflash]

Drakes chin is hugeeeee

I don't think he mastered the rokushiki techniques(maybe some) the would have put him up to vice admiral with his ancient DF unless he got his DF after he left the marines

I hope he can use that bushin move so he can turn into a fast raptor

[My December]

For some reason I think Drake could be the most important SN (besides Luffy of course) because like everyone said, there has to be a big reason he left the marines, and that reason could later on become a very important part of the story. Void century I thought was a good guess, or how the World Government handled it? Or he could very well be fed up with how the World Government (since he seemed disgusted with Vegapunk and the Pacifista). However, Law asked him how many people he's killed, which kind of contradicts the fed up with World Government reason.
Isn't that would be a big asset to the SH crew, if they able to get that info from Drake?

If Drake happens to lose his crew, hopefully....with some unpredictable scenario....that Drake would join the SH crew :D His knowledge about the Marine, the WG, about Vengapunk, Gorousei, and the Void century would be a big help to the crew. :D

[heychris80]

Drake joining the SH would be awesome, but unfortunately they already have a historian in Nico Robin (who seems pretty useless lately).

But yeah Mydecember, maybe he can be important by being the one who tells the SH all the behind-the-scenes stuff that no one knows about.

[youngflash]

I dont want him to be the one to tell them about the past...........We have The revolutionary dragon..............who could have been a former marineee.

[My December]

I dont want him to be the one to tell them about the past...........We have The revolutionary dragon..............who could have been a former marineee.
What the....

Ok, if it is true that Dragon knows about the past century, it doesn't necessarily he need to be an ex-Marine in order to know that. And we haven't heard a single thing about Dragon being an ex-marine...

@heychris
I've said it is "if" :D
Ok, then hopefully the SH crew would have some chat with Drake, and explain why he left the Marine.

[youngflash]

What the....

Ok, if it is true that Dragon knows about the past century, it doesn't necessarily he need to be an ex-Marine in order to know that. And we haven't heard a single thing about Dragon being an ex-marine...



He could have been and ex marine or he could have heard it from his papa a vice admiral

I don't see any other way of him finding out unless he was rodger crewmate

[My December]

He could have been and ex marine or he could have heard it from his papa a vice admiral
I don't see any other way of him finding out unless he was rodger crewmate
We don't even know if Dragon knows anything about the Void century anyway...

Seriously, we've being way too offtopic here...

[svartöga]

A think about Drake, do you know if he has a fruit that can turn him into any dinosaur he want, or a specific one? (What kind of Dino was he in the last chapter btw? A T-Rex?)

If it's a specific one, then there should be like alot of different dino models too, but the DF was said to be rare, wich I think is strange. If there always will grow a new DF 50 years after that own the DF is dead (is that even true btw?), then all DF should be as rare as the other.

Or is it so that they mean that his fruit was rare becaus there only is one model of it? Alot of Zoan fruit has different models, for example diferent types of cat animals. Drake maybe posses the only dinosaur fruit there is?

[methaniel]

From the word Ancient, I presume that those Fruits aren't growing anymore that's why they are so rare. So there my have been different models of dino, but a lot had been ate already, and are not anymore available.
On the other hand, that would mean that there is new kind of Devil Fruit who are appearing with time

[Xirmi]

(Dinos exist on the island where Mr 3 fought Luffy.)

And Drake is extremely strong physically. He knocked Kuma back with a mace, and that power would be close to Fanky's Coup De Vent.

[methaniel]

Well, on Little Garden, we know it's a sepcial island, cause it's the only one with dino still living (even Dr Kureha laughs at Nami when she said she was on a prehistoric island). So apart from Little Garden, I guess you won't run into dinosaurs currently...you can consider this specie to be an old one.
And yeah, he's quite powerfull (and it's not really a mace, it's an axe with 4 edges)

[Silvers Rayleigh]

I wonder if Drake went to Little Garden and ate a DF there. Apoo said it was a "rare" Zoan so maybe it only exists on Little Garden. Drakes DF kicks so much freaking ***.

[methaniel]

Well, in my opinion, it's more a real fruit of the past, but up till now, no one ate it, and it was only a selling product...and by a way or another, Drake found it and ate it (maybe through his family or such). But actually, the fact he's ancient means more for me that it wasn't ate since ages (DF are a gold mine...)
And well, I'm from the theory of the "only one tree for all the DF", so ith this, there is no reason why the fruit would be in Little Garden

[My December]

An ancient Dino type Zoan DF, doesn't necessarily have to originate from an ancient island such as the Little Island...I think...

[beowulf8989]

I think that ancient Zoan are rare in the sense that:

Paramecium= Most common
Zoan= Not so common
Logia= Rarest

Ancient Zoan, being a technically broad sub-category of Zoan, can theoretically only be less common than Zoan. In a similar line of thought, stretchy Paramecium Fruit are rare. I can only think of two. Flying Zoan are rare, I believe they said there are about three known. Likewise, there may only be four ancient Zoan fruit.

[MajinX]

I think that ancient Zoan are rare in the sense that:

Paramecium= Most common
Zoan= Not so common
Logia= Rarest

Ancient Zoan, being a technically broad sub-category of Zoan, can theoretically only be less common than Zoan. In a similar line of thought, stretchy Paramecium Fruit are rare. I can only think of two. Flying Zoan are rare, I believe they said there are about three known. Likewise, there may only be four ancient Zoan fruit.

thats what i think too and makes most sense to me, they just mean having a zoan that makes u into an ancient animal is rare, but imo zoan fruits suckkk compared to para and logia coz they dont really have that many special abilities besides increases in physical attributes.

[My December]

thats what i think too and makes most sense to me, they just mean having a zoan that makes u into an ancient animal is rare, but imo zoan fruits suckkk compared to para and logia coz they dont really have that many special abilities besides increases in physical attributes.
"Increases physical attributes" is special if you ask me...
But probably less than logia and paramecia :D

[MajinX]

"Increases physical attributes" is special if you ask me...
But probably less than logia and paramecia :D

lol zoan fruits are like taking steroids with an animal theme. U can might as well be one of those animal look alikes in OP and then take actual steroids and keep ur swimming ability and not eat a zoan fruit lol.

[My December]

lol zoan fruits are like taking steroids with an animal theme. U can might as well be one of those animal look alikes in OP and then take actual steroids and keep ur swimming ability and not eat a zoan fruit lol.
I don't know much about the chemistry of a steroid, but all I know that steroid have a harmful side effects in long term :D I don't know if that apply in the One Piece world.
...and probably they don't have such thing as steroid in OP :D

[PiRaTEs LikE Me]

Like mydecember said before,if Drake gonna join SH crews,thats mean the next nakama is a former marine (I really hope it will happen..)

[SandaiKitetsu]

But what about his crew. Drake has his own crew. I doubt he will join the Strawhats. Perhaps he and the other Supernovas and the Strawhats are going to be rivals with each other once they all get across the Red Line.

[My December]

But what about his crew. Drake has his own crew. I doubt he will join the Strawhats. Perhaps he and the other Supernovas and the Strawhats are going to be rivals with each other once they all get across the Red Line.
Well, I did thought about that in my earlier post:

If Drake happens to lose his crew, hopefully....with some unpredictable scenario....that Drake would join the SH crew :D His knowledge about the Marine, the WG, about Vengapunk, Gorousei, and the Void century would be a big help to the crew. :D
With the things going on with Kizaru and Kumabots, maybe there is a chance that Drake might lose his crew...or something like that...

I just wanted him to talk to the SH crew about the Marine/WG, thats all

[svartöga]

I really dont hope so, I would be great if they talked and so, but I dont want him to join the clan. I really dont see that happening. I mean, he has his own crew, he is really strong and if he joined he would have a higher bounty then Zoro, wich I think wont happend since Zoro, after Luffy is the main character in the SH crew.

He also seems to be pretty boring, the only thing that is special with him is that he is a former marine. I dont think that any of the supernovas will join the strawhats.

[MangaMan777]

For some reason this guy reminds me of Captain Falcon... who thinks so too?

[Silvers Rayleigh]

For some reason this guy reminds me of Captain Falcon... who thinks so too?

I guess he sorda does. Drake has been a dissapointment. With a DF like that and he only had it activated for 2 pages and a laser made him revert back. W/e he's up against Kizaru so that's plausible.

[methaniel]

Disappointement? I wouldn't say that, Oda didn't took time to show him in action a lot, there was as much action with him as Apoo, Bonney and Capone so...And I don't see any problem with reverting back to his normal self, he's evaluating the situation and thinking of how he could get out...though I admit staying in an hybrid form would be the wiser, since it's most likely faster and stronger than his normal human body
(After that...he doesn't remind me of Falcon but well >.>)

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Disappointement? I wouldn't say that, Oda didn't took time to show him in action a lot, there was as much action with him as Apoo, Bonney and Capone so...And I don't see any problem with reverting back to his normal self, he's evaluating the situation and thinking of how he could get out...though I admit staying in an hybrid form would be the wiser, since it's most likely faster and stronger than his normal human body
(After that...he doesn't remind me of Falcon but well >.>)

Yes, dissapointment. He got in his mode, and almost bit the head off a Kuma clone and was interupted because that Kuma clone shot a laser through him and that somehow caused him to revert back to human mode.

You think he did as much as Apoo? Apoo might've been shown less, but he certianly had more action. Bonney and Capone weren't fighting an Admiral and a Kuma clone. You can't really compare them fairly. They had less action because they fought MUCH weaker opponents. Apoo was in hiding until the very end of 509 so it's not fair to compare him as well. Drake saw more action because he dove himself straight within Kizaru and "Kuma" vs. Urouge and Basil, like an idiot. Even then, Apoo did more action than Basil and Drake combined.

[methaniel]

Ah well, but Apoo attacked the one who hasn't a though body...I'm sure if Drake had bit Kizaru, he would have done damages (except if he's a logia of course). I'm not sure the cutting technique of Apoo would have done anything against the Pacifistas, nor the explosion)
But I admit it may not have been wise to use the full-form, so far, full-forms are just brutal strenght, but seeing how he's big, he's easier to be aim by the laser (but that was for showing off with his ancient DF). And his entrance was a bit unlucky for running in an admiral but well...
I want him in hybrid mode, like that, I'm sure he would rocks

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Ah well, but Apoo attacked the one who hasn't a though body...I'm sure if Drake had bit Kizaru, he would have done damages (except if he's a logia of course). I'm not sure the cutting technique of Apoo would have done anything against the Pacifistas, nor the explosion)
But I admit it may not have been wise to use the full-form, so far, full-forms are just brutal strenght, but seeing how he's big, he's easier to be aim by the laser (but that was for showing off with his ancient DF). And his entrance was a bit unlucky for running in an admiral but well...
I want him in hybrid mode, like that, I'm sure he would rocks

Yup, i agree with that post. However, Drake did less damagae then everyone, but Hawkins, who just got pwned over and over again. Apoo did more damage and that's all there is to it. If they had switched opponents then that damgae would've been different but that's an "if" scenario, so that's irrelevant. Drake was a bit of a dissapointment nonetheless, but as you said, it's because of his choice to not go hybrid form. Then again, that's another "if" scenario so w/e.

I like Drake and i hope we get to see him fight a little more. Especially hybrid mode.

[My December]

Yes, dissapointment. He got in his mode, and almost bit the head off a Kuma clone and was interupted because that Kuma clone shot a laser through him and that somehow caused him to revert back to human mode.
Thats what I thought as well. All he can do with his dino form is bite...
But it might turn out good if he can do hybrid form...

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Thats what I thought as well. All he can do with his dino form is bite...
But it might turn out good if he can do hybrid form...

Yup, his hybrid will most likely be freaking sweet. I support Drake's hybrid. His "full" form was dissapointing because, as you said, it looks as if all he can do is bite essentially.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yup, his hybrid will most likely be freaking sweet. I support Drake's hybrid. His "full" form was dissapointing because, as you said, it looks as if all he can do is bite essentially.

Hell yes his hybrid mode will be beast. That should be the coolest thing we have seen sense Kizaru and his speed of light kicks. I loved that. When he said have you ever been kicked at the speed of light, I almost fell out of my chair.

[Schaduwlz]

I want to see drake with the rumble ball. Maybe Drake knows how to get in the prision Ace is, and the SH crew go over there with his help.

[Dracule Mihawk]

The saving of Ace will be taken care of by WB. He is taking his whole fleet over there to free him. I do admit, it would be interesting to see how deep they could makes Drake's importance to the manga, but I doubt he helps the straw hat crew save Ace.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

I do admit, it would be interesting to see how deep they could makes Drake's importance to the manga, but I doubt he helps the straw hat crew save Ace.

Yup, Drakes' pretty cool but seeing as how he just got KO'ed by Kizaru he wont be helping any time soon.

[Dracule Mihawk]

See, I didn't know that because I prefer to wait for the manga, not read the spoilers. Now I can look forward to how Kizaru put down the four SN captains. I hope that they at least put up a good fight before Kizaru ended it.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

See, I didn't know that because I prefer to wait for the manga, not read the spoilers. Now I can look forward to how Kizaru put down the four SN captains. I hope that they at least put up a good fight before Kizaru ended it.

Well, i dont mean to burst your bubble, but They didn't even get a chance to breathe.

[Dracule Mihawk]

I did not read your spoiler so hahahahaha. If you can tell me something that has happened before this weeks manga then tell me, but I won't read any spoilers. I enjoy anticipating the mangas that are a few hours away.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

I did not read your spoiler so hahahahaha. If you can tell me something that has happened before this weeks manga then tell me, but I won't read any spoilers. I enjoy anticipating the mangas that are a few hours away.

One Piece manga is more like a half a day away. Onemanga wont get it until late tommorrow most likely. Naruto and Bleach will come out today as usual though.

[My December]

I want to see drake with the rumble ball. Maybe Drake knows how to get in the prision Ace is, and the SH crew go over there with his help.
Rumble ball? But that rumble ball that Chopper use is unique to him, as it is probably created by him or Dr. Kureha. If the WG able to make one, probably they don't call it rumble ball, but still have the same effect.
Since Drake is an ex-marine...yea he should have something like that. ....I wonder if he go rampage mode if he take the 3rd rumble ball :D like Chopper.

I did not read your spoiler so hahahahaha. If you can tell me something that has happened before this weeks manga then tell me, but I won't read any spoilers. I enjoy anticipating the mangas that are a few hours away.
I respect you buddy :bow:

[Dracule Mihawk]

Thanks. I know that One Piece won't come out for a day or so, but I will take the time to increase my post count. I plan on being on here for the main part of tomorrow and today. I am greatly anticipating seeing Drake get his *** handed to him, as well as the other SN captains. Should be an awesome beat down.

[godofdeath1379]

i know me to i kinda jsut want law kidd and the straw hats to make it showing that they are above the elite i really hope capone and bonney get owned next.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Oh I am sure that if they fought at someone half as strong as Kizaru that the fight would be over in a matter of seconds. Maybe they will come across another Kuma bot. It was intersesting how they were scattered perfectly around the island to stop the SN from escaping. Good planning.

[My December]

i know me to i kinda jsut want law kidd and the straw hats to make it showing that they are above the elite i really hope capone and bonney get owned next.

Oh I am sure that if they fought at someone half as strong as Kizaru that the fight would be over in a matter of seconds. Maybe they will come across another Kuma bot. It was intersesting how they were scattered perfectly around the island to stop the SN from escaping. Good planning.
lol why? Just because Bonney and Capone abilities look kinda lame, that doesn't mean that they are actually weak :D
And personally, I kinda like Bonney :D

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well, Capone has a Df that has to deal with numbers, but not much strength. Bonney has to do again with numbers, but not much strength. Kizaru is fast enough to destroy all of Capone's army and quick enough to knock out bonney before she can agehim, if his light logia is even able to be affected by her DF.

[Admiral Kizaru]

I also dislike Capone and Bonney. For one, there DF are weak compared to the other SN. There other DF users have pure strength but Bonney and Capone rely on trickery and others. Although it really doesn't matter, Kizaru will own all AN who get in his path.

[My December]

I also dislike Capone and Bonney. For one, there DF are weak compared to the other SN. There other DF users have pure strength but Bonney and Capone rely on trickery and others. Although it really doesn't matter, Kizaru will own all AN who get in his path.
lol, I don't expect to see those SNs got totally wiped off from One Piece this soon...
I think they'll still manage to survive somehow, and get to the New World. Serious, I don't think SNs role ends here.

[srsh]

Considering Drake's Marine history, I was thinking out of all the supernovas, he has the best chance to escape after being captured.

Plus, before he attacked Kumabot he ordered his men be ready to sail. So he must be pretty confident that even if he's captured/defeated - he won't need his crew's help afterwards.

[Dracule Mihawk]

That, or he wanted his crew to be able to get away quickly if he was captured. I admit, it would be easier for him to escape from prior knowledge of the Marine Prison, but that is like saying it would be easier for a penguin to fly over a poler bear, don't ask where I got those two animals to compare.

[My December]

That, or he wanted his crew to be able to get away quickly if he was captured. I admit, it would be easier for him to escape from prior knowledge of the Marine Prison
Ok, no matter how much knowledge he have about the Marines prison, I don't think he'll be able to escape so easily anyway. For a DF user like him, of course the Marine would lock in him in a Seastine prison cell or cuffed with a Seastone hand-cuffs.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well, seeing as how he just got rocked by Kizaru, yes I have finally read the manga, he is in no condition o even think about escaping. Kizaru was sick of being ****ed with by these rookies, and he showed them just how weak they are. I am sure Admiral Kizaru is very happy. I mean, Kizaru rocked four SN in a matter of seconds.

[My December]

Well, seeing as how he just got rocked by Kizaru, yes I have finally read the manga, he is in no condition o even think about escaping. Kizaru was sick of being ****ed with by these rookies, and he showed them just how weak they are. I am sure Admiral Kizaru is very happy. I mean, Kizaru rocked four SN in a matter of seconds.
lol, why should he be happy anyway? He's happy because he defeated 4 SNs? I don't think so. He is just having fun anyway.

Besides, there is nothing to be happy for Kizaru by defeating them anyway, since obviously Kizaru is wayyy out of their league.
Drake didn't even get the chance to breathe before getting that super sonic kick from Kizaru.

[Dracule Mihawk]

I know, that kick was ****ing amazing. I have reread thos pages of woop *** at least 20 times over. I have the kick of Apoo as my background. It looks good. I loved Kizaru from the moment he kicked over a tree the size of an island, but he has far exceeded my expectations. I almost gave up this profile name to make a Kizaru one. I know Kizaru got happiness from that fight because his face is one of joy. He enjoyed putting them down, I know it.

[Admiral Kizaru]

Maybe he enjoyed it and maybe he didn't. Either way, those four SN are going to be resting in the dirt until their crews come to scoop them up. They got messed up, but when I saw Drake get hit, it almost looked like he saw the kick, knew that he couldn't move and just took it. I know that sounds dumb, but that is what I got from his picture.

[My December]

They got messed up, but when I saw Drake get hit, it almost looked like he saw the kick, knew that he couldn't move and just took it. I know that sounds dumb, but that is what I got from his picture.
What do you mean by that? Obviously Kizaru was super sonic fast, that Drake couldn't even think to dodge, even if he saw the kick was right in front of his face...

[Dracule Mihawk]

I meant that he saw the kick and realized that he couldn't dodge. That is what I meant, okay. I know what Kizaru;s speed is.

[Mitsu The Black Cypher]

Given Kizaru's attitude, him quickly losing interest in things after he doesn't get what he wants or after owning something that ignored him. I can see him just leaving the SNs he defeated right there on the ground. Then their crew go and rescue them or maybe some marines try to capture them after and they rise up again to fight and then run.

It would seem like Drake has a good chance at escaping but I don't think so atleast by himself. I'm sure there are sea stone handcuffs to handle all of the DF Sns unless Drake has like a key or something lol.

[Dracule Mihawk]

I am going with the crew saving their captains. I didn't see any marines around for the fight, but I do remember that their were crew members around of the SN captains there. It is more likely that they will be saved, Luffy needs rivals in the New World besides the yonkou and shichibukai.

[ChaosFX]

Where do Devil Fruit come from?
Sorry to be blunt here..and random XD , It just popped into my mind.(Was reading the first page and they were talking about Ancient Zoan fruit.)

Is there like a tree somewhere? that grows them?..If that's true, then...how is it everywhere?

Secondly, What happens the the fruit when the person dies? gone forever?

[Mr Touché]

I also think that He realized that he had no chance against Kizaru and just took the hit like a man!
And btw... according to this page, Drakes former rank was the same as Garps :O

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/

[ChaosFX]

Wait, has there been a discussion thread for Devil fruits?

[My December]

I also think that He realized that he had no chance against Kizaru and just took the hit like a man!
And btw... according to this page, Drakes former rank was the same as Garps :O
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/
I think Rear Admiral is a lower rank than Vice-Admiral
Wait, has there been a discussion thread for Devil fruits?
Yes there is, click here (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=15272)

[svartöga]

Rear Admiral is below Vice admiral but over Commodore.

[voodoochild]

I also think that He realized that he had no chance against Kizaru and just took the hit like a man!
And btw... according to this page, Drakes former rank was the same as Garps :O

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/

nope he saw the kick but couldn't dodge it.seeing and keeping up is whole different things.

And no again Garp is Vice-Admiral Drake's rank was one step behind Garps Rear Admiral.

[ChaosFX]

Garp wouldn't have done any better against Kizaru.

No wonder he's not admiral :(

..wait..What rank was Garp back then when Roger was still around?
(Wouldn't the Navy have deployed Admiral to get Roger? instead of Garp? Unless Garp WAS an Admiral)

[voodoochild]

Garp wouldn't have done any better against Kizaru.

No wonder he's not admiral :(

..wait..What rank was Garp back then when Roger was still around?
(Wouldn't the Navy have deployed Admiral to get Roger? instead of Garp? Unless Garp WAS an Admiral)

Garp is not an admiral only because he is an idiot much like Luffy is.He is a hero of the marines he fought and cornered Roger many times.That proves his level of strength.

[ChaosFX]

Hai Security Guard ^^..

I'm the janitor...do I get a ..security pass or something?

still cleaning up Aisle 5..

Anyways, I always wanted to know what happened the previous 3 Admirals (The one replaced by Akain, Kizaru, and Aokiji.)..I know one became the General..the other 2..dead? We can only speculate since it wasn't made clear anywhere^^. Dey Dead.

Back to Drake..Hopefully soon we'll get to see the 3 types of transform he has.

[Captian kidd]

i wonder if there are other dfs that let the user turn into dinos to i hope that his is not the only kind but i hope that they dont start bringing imangiary creatures into one piece and drake must have super super (i ment to put super twice) human strength since he sent kuma flying with one kick and the monk guy from skypiea couldnt (befor he got super stong)

[Dracule Mihawk]

i wonder if there are other dfs that let the user turn into dinos to i hope that his is not the only kind but i hope that they dont start bringing imangiary creatures into one piece and drake must have super super (i ment to put super twice) human strength since he sent kuma flying with one kick and the monk guy from skypiea couldnt (befor he got super stong)

he could have super strength, or he could be like Zoro. Many of the characters seem to be strong enough to move objects like the kumabot. Luffy has a rubber DF, but has the strength of a strong strong DF. I think that Drake just caught the kumabot off guard, which is why he was able to knock it over so easily. As for more dino Zoan, maybe, but the only one I would like to see is the triceratops.

[Captian kidd]

the thing with the t rex df is that the human-beast transformation wont be too good since in most of the animal dfs they all have a human head so no dino teeth small arms that cant hold a wepon so there is not much fighting he can do there unless he has a kicking stly

[Admiral Kizaru]

Well, his hybrid form did look beast, with the tail and all, and we don't know yet if Drake is skilled enough to integrate teeth or anything like that. We also won't find out anytime soon because he is down for the count, thanks to your truly. It was kind of a waste to give him such a powerful and ancient zoan, I think zoan is animal, DF, because he had no chance to even show us what it could do.

[Captian kidd]

ya zoan is animal man i hope that we get to see more of the sn fighting becase if we dont then oda wasted 5 good dfs but i am sory drake but i just dont see much use in that df i mean no arms, and if drake some how uses the arms for fighting it will be prty lame now one of them long necked dinos that would be so cool it would be like a giraf only stronger so we could see nose gun again

[Admiral Kizaru]

Maybe drake had good speed while in hybrid form, and could attack with his tail. That would be cool IMO. I would like to see how someone would fight like a raptor. Either way we slice it, we won't see it. He is down and not getting up.

[youngflash]

The only way i see drake using that fruit to its full extent is with the rokushiki techniques other than that he only can bite and swing his huge tail......His DF cannot beat choppers ultimate and hard to control form.

[Captian kidd]

that does make me mad that he is down and with the looks of thoes injories he wont fight for a long time i hope that sooner or later we will get to see his powers agian i mean these guys are diffrent form other df users that are in arcs that get beaten they still didnt tell use their powers yet so i am hoping we get to see more of their fighting

and about drake there are just some things that arnt ment to be dfs and i think that a 2 leged animal is one of them but i hope that he will have one trick up his sleve like what lucci did (u know fighting form)

[Admiral Kizaru]

that does make me mad that he is down and with the looks of thoes injories he wont fight for a long time i hope that sooner or later we will get to see his powers agian i mean these guys are diffrent form other df users that are in arcs that get beaten they still didnt tell use their powers yet so i am hoping we get to see more of their fighting

and about drake there are just some things that arnt ment to be dfs and i think that a 2 leged animal is one of them but i hope that he will have one trick up his sleve like what lucci did (u know fighting form)

Well, I think that we will see more of those SN. They are Luffy's competition in the New World, besides the Yonkou, so they will stay alive, most of them anyway. I know that Drake didn't show what his hybrid form was capable of but I don't think it is known as the ancient and powerful Zoan DF for nothing. It already has a beast full animal, and its hybrid won't disappoint. We will see what it is capable of when we get to the other side of the world.

[Captian kidd]

i have a question about the picture i dont get something in it

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000069762/11.jpg

what is that thing that takes up most of the bottum of the picture (it looks like it has hair) i thought it was that sound sound df guy (dont know his name or how to spell it) but it realy dosent look like him

[MrMcChick]

i have a question about the picture i dont get something in it

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000069762/11.jpg

what is that thing that takes up most of the bottum of the picture (it looks like it has hair) i thought it was that sound sound df guy (dont know his name or how to spell it) but it realy dosent look like him

Looks like it's a close-up of the stuff above it. It looks like Kuma's hat and hair to me.

[Captian kidd]

i have a question about the picture i dont get something in it

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000069762/11.jpg

what is that thing that takes up most of the bottum of the picture (it looks like it has hair) i thought it was that sound sound df guy (dont know his name or how to spell it) but it realy dosent look like him

no the buttom of the bottum panal i see that the dark thing biting the head of the dark thing is drake in his t rex form biting kuma but in the buttom of that there is a 1/4 circle (maby animamation for drake hiting kuma with his tail) and a thing on the grond that looks like it has hair

[Admiral Kizaru]

it could just be some of the stuff in that area that has been knocked down from the fight going on. If it was important, Oda would have had something about it in the most recent chapter. It could be a bush and someone collapsed. Again, it could be important, but I doubt it.

[Captian kidd]

darn it i hate pictures like this that you need to see the anime to under stand it

[Admiral Kizaru]

Yeah, it does help when it is animated. We do have a while before we get to see kizaru beat the **** out of those SNs, but it will be worth the wait. That should one of the best, and quickest fights in Op. The next big thing in the anime will be the oz vs shadow luffy fight. That will be awesome. Back to Drake, what are the chances that they die from those injuries. I know that Basil said 0%, but he got messed up bad.

[Captian kidd]

well if the ppl that are watching the fight all happen to be doctors then they defintly wont die from the injories unless kizaru kills them like he walks up to them and takes off their head but i think that in the next chap the admerial will leave and look for luffy (giving the sn a perfect chance to call the doctors or some one)

[Admiral Kizaru]

It was said if he was going for Kidd, Law or Luffy. It would be better for the SHs if he went after Kidd and Law because that would give the time to get away and tend to the injuries that they got from their fight with the kumabot. That would suck for what I believe is your favorite character because he can not beat him.

[Captian kidd]

ya it is sad but true (kidd is my fav charctor) even with laws help (kidd couldnt beat kuma,kidd couldnt even dodge kumas lazer (even thoguht it was a serpirse attack i bet that if he sawl it coming he could of dodges it) so i dont think that he can dodge that speed of light kick thing

[Admiral Kizaru]

Yeah, it wouldn't look good for your fav. He would be ****ed up and then Kizaru would move onto Law and the Luffy. But, we are here for Drake. I can't think of anything more to say about him so I am going to find the Kidd thread and bring it back. k

[Mr Touché]

nope he saw the kick but couldn't dodge it.seeing and keeping up is whole different things.

And no again Garp is Vice-Admiral Drake's rank was one step behind Garps Rear Admiral.

U cant know that. Plz dont say things like its a obvious fact, when its only your oppinion.
And ah, maybe you´re right. I thought the different possitions in the same collumn would be the same rank.

[Admiral Kizaru]

Either way, Drake just got messed up. I don't think he has ever been hit that hard, and I doubt it will happen again. Drake might appear in the next chapter being dragged away, but that is about it.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

hehe. indeed.
I hope that he will come back.
One question though:
Since "Ancient Devil Fruits" come from the time of the dinosaurs (maybe (why are they rare if they´re still grown?))
Does that meen that the world only have a limited amount of Ancient DFs and once they are eaten they will NEVER grow back? :O

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Nice username. Ancient zoans are rare, but like any DF, once the current owner dies then that fruit will once again appear and someon else will use it. However, they're rare so i bet they're limited as well.

[My December]

One question though:
Since "Ancient Devil Fruits" come from the time of the dinosaurs (maybe (why are they rare if they´re still grown?))
Does that meen that the world only have a limited amount of Ancient DFs and once they are eaten they will NEVER grow back? :O
It is called "ancient" simply because of Drake's Zoan model type...a Dinosaur. It doesn't mean that the fruit came from long long prehistoric time ago.
Probably most of the Zoan type fruits that exist now usually present time animals, and there are only a few dinosaurs type Zoan DF, so that is why Apoo called it as "rare". It's a rare type of animal DF.

[Admiral Kizaru]

Yeah, the only other Ancient zoan I can see coming would be a triceratops. That is the only one I see because you can't have a long neck dino, w/e its called, because the giraffe would be the model for it, and I don't need another giraffe.

[ChaosFX]

Hippo fruit..LOLOL..I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING..

[Admiral Kizaru]

I can become a fatass and move at the speed of a snail, at least on the ground, and that is all the area he can be in. That would be one of the worst DF ever, well peace to all, I am done.

[wildstriker]

Well, like in case for Kaku, hippo fruit can prove to be useful If you have the Rokushiki ability, imagine that user do a shigan with his whole friggin' mouth... :D

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

It is called "ancient" simply because of Drake's Zoan model type...a Dinosaur. It doesn't mean that the fruit came from long long prehistoric time ago.
Probably most of the Zoan type fruits that exist now usually present time animals, and there are only a few dinosaurs type Zoan DF, so that is why Apoo called it as "rare". It's a rare type of animal DF.

Or so u think. Note that in my post there was a little "maybe".
In ur post u say it like u know it...

Yeah, the only other Ancient zoan I can see coming would be a triceratops. That is the only one I see because you can't have a long neck dino, w/e its called, because the giraffe would be the model for it, and I don't need another giraffe.

ooh!! imagine a Ankylosaurus :thumbup:
http://www.emerson.k12.nj.us/staff/rmkelly/custom/DinosaurWQ/Images/Anklyosaurus/Ankylosaurus2.gif

That guy would be pewnage! becouse we all know that ankylosauruses are iimmune to light..its a fact!

[Deadmoon]

it maybe immune to light but i think a laser can still hurt him though,

i think drake's zoan is one of the best zoan, coz t-rex is one of the largest land carnivore i just hope that his size changes also as big as a t-rex...

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

haha i wasn´t serious about the immunity thing -.-
and look at that armor and tail weapon. even a carnivourous dinosaur doesnt have a weapn exept his teeth, and that is IMO a crappy weapon compared to a large frikkin bonemace!

[sena-kun21]

One question though:
Since "Ancient Devil Fruits" come from the time of the dinosaurs (maybe (why are they rare if they´re still grown?))
Does that meen that the world only have a limited amount of Ancient DFs and once they are eaten they will NEVER grow back? :O

I don't think that they're rare because they came from the time of the dinosaurs. If that were the case, then you have forgotten about the Little Garden Island. That island was prehistoric time, you know. Remember, it was mentiioned (I think I've read it in the SBS) that every island had their unique "time zone". I don't know if I could say that but that's the closest thing I could think of.

Anyway, I agree with Mydecember's explanation: It is called "ancient" simply because of Drake's Zoan model type...a Dinosaur. His sounds more logical to understand than to say that: Since "Ancient Devil Fruits" come from the time of the dinosaurs (maybe (why are they rare if they´re still grown?))

And to answer your other question...I don't think so. I think there are more "ancient" DFs out there just harder to come by.


Anyway...back to topic:

Watching Drake become that T-rex, I wonder what he would look like if he were to transform in his other forms since being a Zoan DF user would mean he has three transformations. Also, it would be awesome to see/watch him if he were given one of Chopper's rumble balls.

[han]

I dont like Drake Devil Fruit ability...is that wrong? Maybe its just my distaste for T-Rexes (why are their arms so little? What if they fall over, htey dont have the upper body strength to support the rest of their weight! - No wonder they're extinct) But I do love Drake as a character. He holds so many secrets that he can unveil to the other pirates. I can see him being a good friend to the SHs, or a bad enemy.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well, is isn't like Drake is going to show what he is capable of anymore, but I am sure we will eventually see what an ancient Zoan type DF is capable of. I don't think Oda will introduce a dino Zoan, and then never show it in a real fight, and Kizaru kicking his *** is not a real fight.

[My December]

I dont like Drake Devil Fruit ability...is that wrong? Maybe its just my distaste for T-Rexes (why are their arms so little? What if they fall over, htey dont have the upper body strength to support the rest of their weight! - No wonder they're extinct) But I do love Drake as a character. He holds so many secrets that he can unveil to the other pirates. I can see him being a good friend to the SHs, or a bad enemy.
Yeap, at first I think Drake's DF is rather....disappointing :D seems like all that he could do is bite :D
But if he can do hybrid-form like those CP9 could do, I think that would be awesome :D :dance:
I think he can do that, since he's an ex-Marine :dance:

[Mitsu The Black Cypher]

Yeap, at first I think Drake's DF is rather....disappointing :D seems like all that he could do is bite :D
But if he can do hybrid-form like those CP9 could do, I think that would be awesome :D :dance:
I think he can do that, since he's an ex-Marine :dance:
Ofcourse he can all zoan users have hybrid form.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, he can probably move at great speed and use his tail to attack people. That would be pretty cool, IMO.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

Didn´t we see his hybrid form in the last chapter?..or maybe that just was him transforming back to human...And i dont thikn that his arms are that small. If you take a look at when he stoppes Kum, his hand is accualy a tiny bit bigger then Kumas, and we all know that Kuma is big ^^

[Dracule Mihawk]

Even if he did go into his hybrid form, he didn't get to fight in it. He did look cool though. He had a tail and that was fricken cool.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

yeah ^^ Imo he looked like some1 who´s able to move around like Kimimaro form the Gaara vs Kimimaro fight when he enters "Cursed Seal stage 2".
That would be cewl *,_,* <--- (my improvised "drewl-smiley")
´ ´

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, that is a great comparison. They both have the same basic structure and might have the same basic attacks, the swinging of the tail. IMO, that would be very sweet.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

I must hear him roar in the anime later.
Dont F**** make his voice lame like Tobis!

[ChaosFX]

I must hear him roar in the anime later.
Dont F**** make his voice lame like Tobis!

What are you talking about, Tobis voice is hawt.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

x`D nevah!:jawdrop:
If t´re gnna use some1 voice, may it be The Leaders. His voice is awesome :buttrock:

[Dracule Mihawk]

I am sure that Drake will have a deep and commanding voice when the anime gets to him. Consider this, he was a rear admiral, he had control of troops, so he would need to be loud and in control so that orders didn't get messed up, although the rear admiral doesn't really get much action.

[sena-kun21]

I am sure that Drake will have a deep and commanding voice when the anime gets to him. Consider this, he was a rear admiral, he had control of troops, so he would need to be loud and in control so that orders didn't get messed up, although the rear admiral doesn't really get much action.

True...rear admirals are not seen at the front lines but they need to be great leaders and strategists in order to direct the troops under their commands.

So I like think that Drake is a pretty intelligent and skillful guy...considering he knew how to handle some of the SNs (ie when he diverted a confrontation between Urouge and Killer).

[lesterl]

Drake has opened many new DF doors for specualtion. His DF is my main reasoning for making this thread. It opens doors to other Ancient Zoans and maybe even mythological DF's.

Drake is just an interesting character and there's enough to talk about now.

Others? O.o unicorn? centaur? or Gordons? that would be interesting...

[voodoochild]

Others? O.o unicorn? centaur? or Gordons? that would be interesting...

Gordons?I think that fruit will be kanateko kanateko no mi.

Anyways I don't think there will be mythological fruits because so far only thing that can be considered mythological was a unicorn,and that was a bird eaten horse horse fruit.

kanateko means crowbar

[Raiden]

Gordons?I think that fruit will be kanateko kanateko no mi.

Anyways I don't think there will be mythological fruits because so far only thing that can be considered mythological was a unicorn,and that was a bird eaten horse horse fruit.

kanateko means crowbar

no it was a pegasus^^ so but I think there could maybe miytholigcal Zoan DFs, since there are now ancient Zoan DFs.

[lesterl]

whats kanateko? O.o i dun get it by crowbar

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well I see how Ancient Zoans deal with Drake but lets get back to him. He was very messed after his battle with Kizaru, does anyone think that he is going to get captured when Kizaru leaves, or is his crew going to come save him.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

Since Kizaru is on his way to Kid+law or SH, i think that the captains crews are going to save theyr captains.
No marine ware around to capture the Sn as far as we know, and the crews must be quite powerful aswell, so a few marines shouldn´t be to hard to defeat

[Mitsu The Black Cypher]

Since Kizaru is on his way to Kid+law or SH, i think that the captains crews are going to save theyr captains.
No marine ware around to capture the Sn as far as we know, and the crews must be quite powerful aswell, so a few marines shouldn´t be to hard to defeat
Yea I figured that too, unless the Kumabot stays behind to pick up those losers.

[AdmiralKempo]

Drake i dont think was kizarus main focus. And after that blast from kuma to the shoulder, im sure drake just looks more like an injured dog to kizaru then anything. But then again he did dominate weak *** pirates with a blast that could have very well destroyed a buster call. o.0

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, Drake wasn't a big concern for Kizaru. The only reason that he wen beast on them is because he either got bored or annoyed. Drake and the others never had a real chance to beat him.

[My December]

no it was a pegasus^^ so but I think there could maybe miytholigcal Zoan DFs, since there are now ancient Zoan DFs.
Yeap...probably we'll see Dragon type DF soon? Or probably Big-foot or Yetti type DF :D :dance:
But like Apoo said, Drake's ancient DF is a very very rare Zoan type...so probably we shouldn't expect much from those ancient Zoan DF.

[Dracule Mihawk]

The next ancient zoan DF should be nothing more than an old dino, like a triceratops or something. Bringing a Dragon into the DF zoan list would be ridiculous. Oda doesn't need to make up a Dragon Zoan.

[Mitsu The Black Cypher]

I don't understand what would be so cool about turning in to a dragon anyway.

It might breathe fire and it can fly which is the only plus to me. Other than that its like any other lizard depending on the user.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, leave it at actual animals and past animals. Maybe oda could make a pterodactyl or something, but the only really cool dino I want to see is the triceratops. He would be able to hybrid into a tank, or something very close to it.

[My December]

I don't understand what would be so cool about turning in to a dragon anyway.
It might breathe fire and it can fly which is the only plus to me. Other than that its like any other lizard depending on the user.
Or if that Dragon DF user could turn into hyrbrid form, that would be cool isn't it? :D :dance:

Seriously, hopefully Drake would be able to use hybrid form...if not, his full Dino form would be such a disappointment..

[Mitsu The Black Cypher]

Or if that Dragon DF user could turn into hyrbrid form, that would be cool isn't it? :D :dance:

Seriously, hopefully Drake would be able to use hybrid form...if not, his full Dino form would be such a disappointment..
It would be cool but I pretty much know what that would look like form other cartoons and stuff.

And ofcourse Drake has a hybrid form I think he wen all the way Dino to match Kuma's height. I think he's like 12-15ft tall or something or like half the size of a giant

[Dracule Mihawk]

We should be able to see what his hybrid form looks like and what it can do when we see him again in the New World. We are probably going to have to wait for a long time before we see him again, unless we see him getting dragged away.

[Deadmoon]

i would like drake's dino form have the same height as a t-rex, maybe as big as a giant or bigger... but from what ive seen i think his dino form is just a litter bigger than the kumabot...

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well, the size of his full rex form looks like it is going to be the size of Kuma, but we still haven't seen his hybrid. He should be as big as a velacaraptor, and hopefully has some strong attacks in his Hybrid form. I don't want to see Oda turn Drake's hybrid form into something lame.

[My December]

i would like drake's dino form have the same height as a t-rex, maybe as big as a giant or bigger... but from what ive seen i think his dino form is just a litter bigger than the kumabot...
Probably Drake didn't fully turned into a T-rex anyway (I mean the size)...

And those Kuma it pretty large by the way...just like that real Kuma. He's huge o.O (despite how they can punch and kick him easily).
I know a real Dino should be bigger.... maybe Oda made him just he "suitable" size to oppose that Kumabot..

[Dracule Mihawk]

He did look full dino, but it would be funny if that was Drakes hybrid form and he could get even bigger. That would be great, but I agree that Oda just made the T Rex zoan a suitable size, so he doesn't over size everyone.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Well im fairly sure that was full dino. It got bigger than Kuma so it's not that small, but i'd like it if it was bigger and more intimidating. Also, despite the power it probably gives you, Drake was in it for around 5 seconds so i'd like to see hm actually do good and go hybrid.

[X "The Red Flag" Drake]

drake is a beast imo! He was able to combine a dynamite entry with an attack that had the same impact on the Kumabot as the SH together!!!! (not rly)
BUt i love how he knows what thw WG is up to and everything x`O

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well im fairly sure that was full dino. It got bigger than Kuma so it's not that small, but i'd like it if it was bigger and more intimidating. Also, despite the power it probably gives you, Drake was in it for around 5 seconds so i'd like to see hm actually do good and go hybrid.

A good fight scene with his hybrid would be diez. He should have great speed and he would use, IDK, his tail as a whip or something. Sweet.

drake is a beast imo! He was able to combine a dynamite entry with an attack that had the same impact on the Kumabot as the SH together!!!! (not rly)
BUt i love how he knows what thw WG is up to and everything x`O

I agree that Drake is the most informed Pirate because he used to be a commodore, and that is really going to help him survive because Knowledge is Power.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

A good fight scene with his hybrid would be diez. He should have great speed and he would use, IDK, his tail as a whip or something. Sweet.



I agree that Drake is the most informed Pirate because he used to be a commodore, and that is really going to help him survive because Knowledge is Power.

Yes his hybrid mode will be nothing less than beast. Also, Drake poses a serious threat because of his power and knowledge, but he was a former Rear-Admiral. A rank higher tahn Commodore.

[Dracule Mihawk]

My bad, but he is definitely a danger to the WG. That and his DF should combine for a higher bounty IMO, maybe 260-280. Although, he didn't really earn it in his last fight.

[AdmiralKempo]

I so want to see what his hybrid looks like. His zoan is a T-Rex right? Some1 sed raptor n i was like "wtf?"

[Dracule Mihawk]

I said that his hybrid should be something like a raptor. It fits, IMO. A raptor is a smaller version of a T Rex, and that would be what Drake would turn into, with a few humanly qualities.

[MajinX]

I see drake sort of like lucci, his hybird form would be very fast and can deal good damage while his big form has alot of power but its too slow and easy to target, and in his hybrid form he might still be able to use his weapons..

And another thing iwant to add, his clothes dont get destroyed!!

[methaniel]

Well, in my opinion, his hybrid form is more or less like what we saw when he revert back from his animal form to his human form, we saw him with a tail, and he probably has claws and such. So in the end, it would indeed be a kinda raptor (though, we gotta think that the hybrid form up till now are often a bit strange...). And I too think that the hybrid form may use this stylish axe and his sword (ambidextrous?)

[sena-kun21]

And another thing iwant to add, his clothes dont get destroyed!!

Almost similar to Luffy's situation too. When stretches, sometimes I believe his clothes stretch with him (ie when he goes into Gear 3). lol

Well, in my opinion, his hybrid form is more or less like what we saw when he revert back from his animal form to his human form, we saw him with a tail, and he probably has claws and such. So in the end, it would indeed be a kinda raptor (though, we gotta think that the hybrid form up till now are often a bit strange...). And I too think that the hybrid form may use this stylish axe and his sword (ambidextrous?)

Yes, he's ambidextrous if he holds both weapons to fight off his opponents. Anyway, since Drake knows about the Pacifistas and their capabilities, I wonder if he once used to be one of Dr Vegepunk's flunky like Sentoumaru.

[addiC]

Yes, he's ambidextrous if he holds both weapons to fight off his opponents. Anyway, since Drake knows about the Pacifistas and their capabilities, I wonder if he once used to be one of Dr Vegepunk's flunky like Sentoumaru.

Unlikely, since even the low rank marine know about the pacifistas, rmb when luffy tag with law and kid, some of the marine members mention about 'THAT', which is refering to the pacifistas, and since they refer it this way, they have probably know the pacifistas' power as well.

[frostflame2]

I see drake sort of like lucci, his hybird form would be very fast and can deal good damage while his big form has alot of power but its too slow and easy to target, and in his hybrid form he might still be able to use his weapons..

actually both his big and small forms are hybrids, he just uses seimei kikan, kamie bushin to make his body smaller
http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000423/13.jpg
This is full leopard mode.
http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000422/14.jpg

@sena
all zoans, that change size seem to have expanding and shrinking clothes, look at chopper, kaku, jyabura, and lucchi, back in water 7. apparently, logia users were wearing the clothes they have now, when they ate the fruit, because the clothes, become the element too, unless they can turn all clothes they wear into their element, but we haven't seen even one change their clothes, except croc, now he's wearing a prisoner's uniform.

[addiC]

@sena
all zoans, that change size seem to have expanding and shrinking clothes, look at chopper, kaku, jyabura, and lucchi, back in water 7. apparently, logia users were wearing the clothes they have now, when they ate the fruit, because the clothes, become the element too, unless they can turn all clothes they wear into their element, but we haven't seen even one change their clothes, except croc, now he's wearing a prisoner's uniform.
About the expanding and shrinking clothes, its probably oda just doesn't have the habbit of drawing clothes been tear out each time a zoan user uses his zoan fruit ability...somehow like a tiny plothole imo.

[Juan]

Is this the same drake from when the strawhats were stuck in that marine base.. this would mostlikely be b4 he defected eps 197-206.

though he was a luetenient at the time

[Maase]

The marine base is not cannon and its a filler, so forget about it.

[Juan]

the character ryuuma who's backround comes from a diff manga n stuff so introducing someone into the storyline without really letting people know who it is then but later on is possible. Look in the movie where luffy had to fight that robot using guy they gave a hint into gear second so it could be possible.

[Maase]

That was different, when they created Gear 2 in the movie, in the manga Gear 2 was already introduced or about to be introduced.
In here, it was a lot of years before that.

[methaniel]

Is this the same drake from when the strawhats were stuck in that marine base.. this would mostlikely be b4 he defected eps 197-206.

though he was a luetenient at the time

the character ryuuma who's backround comes from a diff manga n stuff so introducing someone into the storyline without really letting people know who it is then but later on is possible. Look in the movie where luffy had to fight that robot using guy they gave a hint into gear second so it could be possible.

I'm gonna complete what Maase said.
Indeed, everything you said is only fillers, hence it will NEVER appear in the manga itself, or as something completly new (and Oda wouldn't introduce a new character in the anime first then the manga, it's the anime which is following the manga, not the contrary, and Oda has barely nothing to do with the production of the anime anyway)
And no anyway, Drake didn't appeared during the Navaronne filler (which was quite cool by the way)

[Maase]

Yep, forget about that, it isn't the same

[Scarletwebslingr]

Coolest Supernova hands down. Love the mask too! And a t-rex?? Do zoan fruits come any cooler than that?

[Yonkou9227]

I really can't wait to see what oda does for his half human half zoan form because it will be interesting to see how he mixes a human with a t-rex

[Fisher Tiger the savior]

Since drake is an ex Marine (Rear Admiral) with a Zoan DF, could it be possible that he knows some Rokushiki techniques? It would be great if some old villians came back as marines with marine training like Jango did. I can imagine Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine using their DF abilities in conjuncture with Rokushiki. Finger Bang!!:eban:

[ron1109]

Since drake is an ex Marine (Rear Admiral) with a Zoan DF, could it be possible that he knows some Rokushiki techniques? It would be great if some old villians came back as marines with marine training like Jango did. I can imagine Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine using their DF abilities in conjuncture with Rokushiki. Finger Bang!!:eban:

hi! :D

hmm.. well based on drake's appearance i think it is less probable that he is a rokushiki user, as we have seen, he carries different types of weapon (sword, axe even a small spear??). so i guess he is more like of a "weapon maniac" than a rokushiki user. cuz if he is, he should used a move against the pacifista they encountered.

[Fisher Tiger the savior]

hi! :D

hmm.. well based on drake's appearance i think it is less probable that he is a rokushiki user, as we have seen, he carries different types of weapon (sword, axe even a small spear??). so i guess he is more like of a "weapon maniac" than a rokushiki user. cuz if he is, he should used a move against the pacifista they encountered.

Perhaps, but Kaku did use swords. Yet you have to admit the idea of a Dinosaur man using rokushiki moves (ie storm leg with tail?) could be cool.:steaming:

[Scarletwebslingr]

Perhaps, but Kaku did use swords. Yet you have to admit the idea of a Dinosaur man using rokushiki moves (ie storm leg with tail?) could be cool.:steaming:

Oh my, that would be SO cooll!

[Fisher Tiger the savior]

If you think that is cool listen to this:

Back to Underrated characters. for me it had to be Mr. 5. He make any part of his body explode! If, just if he learned Rokushiki, then he would be unstoppable. Examples: Mr. 5's Shigan would operate like hollow point bullets explode on implact, his Geppou would explode on contact with air and push him further, his Rankyaku could have greater propulsion from his explosions as well as his soru. Living canon. Rokuougan, double blasts canons! If a wimp like Coby can soru in a couple of months, then a seasoned fighter like Mr. 5 could do it.

[Juracule]

He seems very interesting to me. He served the marines as a high ranked soldier, a Rear Admiral, one rank below Vice Admiral. That's very impressive. Yet, he quitted the marines and left to become a pirate. Which means, he probably saw the World Government's true colors and learnt about it corruptions. So he left and became a pirate, probably his way to fight against the people he once served.
As for his power, with a bounty of 222,000,000 on his head, its probably doesn't represent his true power. Its probably represents the threat the WG sees in him, since he was a high ranked marine and very knowledgeable as well.
I hope we will see more of him in the future.

[Luffy48]

Well apart from the marine story of Drake, his bounty and abilities of the Ancient Zoan there is something more interesting. If there are more than one, like Drake, then the story of how Drake acquired the DF is more interesting. Since Vegapunk is manufacturing DFs the term Ancient is referring to the DF and not the date of production. Consequently, Drake's leaving the Marines may have something to do with the precious Ancient Zoan Fruit.
But on the other hand there is Marco with Model Phoenix which might also be Ancient Zoan!

[MattC302]

Well apart from the marine story of Drake, his bounty and abilities of the Ancient Zoan there is something more interesting. If there are more than one, like Drake, then the story of how Drake acquired the DF is more interesting. Since Vegapunk is manufacturing DFs the term Ancient is referring to the DF and not the date of production. Consequently, Drake's leaving the Marines may have something to do with the precious Ancient Zoan Fruit.
But on the other hand there is Marco with Model Phoenix which might also be Ancient Zoan!

When did the manga say Vegapunk was manufacturing devil fruits? Marco has a mythical zoan.

[Luffy48]

I think Spandam said it when he delivered the DFs to Jabyura. There was also some comment about things consuming DFs. I am not really sure about that reference but I remember it from that part. Anyway most of the devil fruits are shown to be loots of pirates or with unknown origin. Spandam supplied DFs to his team as part of a "promotion" policy. So it makes sense that DFs being unique, loot of pirates and easily accessible by the Navy are being manufactured by the Navy.
But in case I am wrong, then it makes a good sense and it is a well based theory isn't it? :D

[narutohellking23]

I think Drake's Ancient Zoan DF is one of my favorites, Hell its a dinosaur/Dragon can't really tell which but Im assuming its a Dinosaur.

[roronoa zoro91]

If you think that is cool listen to this:

Back to Underrated characters. for me it had to be Mr. 5. He make any part of his body explode! If, just if he learned Rokushiki, then he would be unstoppable. Examples: Mr. 5's Shigan would operate like hollow point bullets explode on implact, his Geppou would explode on contact with air and push him further, his Rankyaku could have greater propulsion from his explosions as well as his soru. Living canon. Rokuougan, double blasts canons! If a wimp like Coby can soru in a couple of months, then a seasoned fighter like Mr. 5 could do it.

How would he? Logias will kick his *** not to meantion people like Whitebeard, Warlords well overrating his power.

[zetruz]

I think Drake's Ancient Zoan DF is one of my favorites, Hell its a dinosaur/Dragon can't really tell which but Im assuming its a Dinosaur.
A dragon would be a Mythical Zoan. "Ancient Zoans" indicate that the fruits in that category are of animals that existed long, long ago. Dinosaurs.

[AddiKtioNn-BlaCk]

Anybody got any ideas why he's called Red Flag???
I wonder if Ancient Zoans can awaken as well, thus him turning into a giant T-Rex, :D.

[zetruz]

[Anybody got any ideas why he's called Red Flag???
It's probably got something to do with him leaving the Marines. Perhaps he replaced the flag on his Marine ship with a red flag?:)

I wonder if Ancient Zoans can awaken as well, thus him turning into a giant T-Rex, :D.
The same thing goes for Marco.

[LevisXClean]

The same thing goes for Marco.

Holy cow, can you even imagine? The very idea of Marco becoming even stronger would be terrifying especially for the Marines.

I really hope this theory proves true, otherwise Zoan type DFs; unless they're special ones like Drake's and Marco's, aren't very exciting.

[Blackluffy]

Ahahaha the creator of this thread got Banned:dance1::dance1::dance1:

Drake looks very Bada## i hope there is more to his power tho.He looks kinda weak.

[AddiKtioNn-BlaCk]

The same thing goes for Marco.

Doubt it. Mythical zoans don't have awakened forms, and I'm with that until shown otherwise. Plus if he's the 1st division commander of the Whitebeard pirates and hasn't shown anything during this war than I doubt its possible.

[isidro]

IF luffy has to fight drake or another ancient zoan type df methink he lose bigtime, or is i just me or it becomes a epic battle bigger than roger vs. garp:P

[zetruz]

Doubt it. Mythical zoans don't have awakened forms, and I'm with that until shown otherwise. Plus if he's the 1st division commander of the Whitebeard pirates and hasn't shown anything during this war than I doubt its possible.
Oh, I'm sure Marco hasn't reached the Awakened Zoan state. I think you'll have to experiment a lot to reach that state (Rumble Balls... perhaps Vegapunk "created" the Demon Guards). But we have no real reason to believe Mythical Zoan users cannot reach the Awakened state, and the same goes for Ancient Zoan users. I don't think we'll ever see an Awakened Ancient/Mythical Zoan user (because we'll never find a Mythical/Ancient Zoan user who's experimented with his DF powers like that), but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

[tenchu]

What do you mean Awkened Zoan State? like turning in to the animal itself?

[LaffyTaffy]

RANDOM QUESTION: would bacteria fruit (if they had one)
be an ancient zoan since it cam first

[LevisXClean]

What do you mean Awkened Zoan State? like turning in to the animal itself?

Read through Zetruz's theories. At the bottom you'll see the one about 'Awakened Zoans'.

[pshankarc]

New Thread Here (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=68243).Stop posting in this thread and continue there.Thanks