Bitter Virgin V

[Sakura of the CrimsonSky]

Old thread. http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=13505
Whoa is that for real??? I feel like I've been waiting for so long.

Based on my own understanding of the manga, I think Firestalker's right. I'm just annoyed at how everything is happening especially that girl Kazuki... (was that the right name?)

I think I'm gonna reread it too like what lollipop said since it's been so long :thumbup:
I wouldn't say that.... Gari at Solaris-SVU doesn't even have the volume yet so he can't start translating until then.

unless someone is doing it, we a little longer than a week. Gari says once he has the volume chapters should take about a week or so to finish.
well if the book really did comeout on june 25 the next chapter should come out soon

[lollipop_]

Sakura, you miss out one last quote:

Read my post directly above yours.
Although not much content but it is directed to pervysage last post.
Yay, new thread!! xD

Back on topic, I agree with Firestalker, if the translator
don't have the volume yet, we might have to wait more then a week.

[pervysage]

yah me to but if the book came out on june 25 u think he would have gotten it already

[chinlamp]

yah me to but if the book came out on june 25 u think he would have gotten it already

Idiot, it's not the translator himself who has to get the book, the translator has to get the raws so that he can make it in a format that will be able to be posted on onemanga. It won't matter whether he has the book or not, until he can get good enough raws, he can't translate.

[pervysage]

my bad srry

[ninja apprentice]

Idiot, it's not the translator himself who has to get the book, the translator has to get the raws so that he can make it in a format that will be able to be posted on onemanga. It won't matter whether he has the book or not, until he can get good enough raws, he can't translate.

Wow thats kinda mean u could of said it nicer i mean u didnt have 2 call him a idiot =P

[pervysage]

yah now im sad:cry:

[lollipop_]

@chinlamp- You are being too harsh and please refrain from calling someone an idiot... ;)

@pervysage- Cheer up, everyone makes mistakes... :)

What chinlamp said is true, its the raws that matter, not the book. But sometimes they use the book if they can't get the raws. If I'm not wrong.... >_>

[Ethriost]

:rolleyes: Yeah. But isn't raws came from the book that's being scanned?
If there's the book, then there's the raws.

[SilentBuddhist]

Chinlamp, please do not call people idiots here.

Anyways yeah what others said. The scanlator is basically translating entire volumes, hence the long waits. And scanlating is a lot harder than what most people think, though I'm not a scanlator myself...

[lollipop_]

Yeah. But isn't raws came from the book that's being scanned?
If there's the book, then there's the raws.

Seriously I don't really know, some websites I see them using the book instead of the raws.
So I get the idea that sometimes they use book instead of raws....? :confused:
-doesn't care about this- :yawn:

[Firestalker]

:rolleyes: Yeah. But isn't raws came from the book that's being scanned?
If there's the book, then there's the raws.

I would assume it depends on the quality of the raws... If the scans were done poorly the quality could be very bad.

I think Gari [Scanlator for BV] would rather scan them himself since he can guarantee a very good quality.

[naruhina_sakusasuke]

okay, new to this forum, but not new at all to manga and anime. to sum it up simly... is the new (past 24) chapters coming out soon, or are we still on standby?

[pervysage]

should be about a week but no one really knows for sure

[Firestalker]

People should read the thread before asking that.... I have said over and over again that the Scanlator is still waiting on the volume and as such has not gotten to translate it yet.

He says it'll take about a week a chapter in order to translate, so when he gets the volume... Then it will be a week or so. Not before.

The project is not on standby, but it is stalled until all that happens.

Unless someone else is going to scanlate the volume, we have to wait until he lets us know he has the volume.

[naruhina_sakusasuke]

lol... i meant like i wint be waiting on the edge for another year for it to finish answering all my questions..... that kind of sooner or later.

[Firestalker]

lol... i meant like i wint be waiting on the edge for another year for it to finish answering all my questions..... that kind of sooner or later.

Well it'll be less than a year I can tell you that. I would say that it'll be soon [I hope]. I'm going to say that it'll probably about a month, just the way things are going.

[lollipop_]

@naruhina_sakusasuke- Well, I'm pretty sure it won't be very long as the new volume was release in late june. (Hope I didn't get it wrong.) And welcome to OMF!! :D

[crimsonbro]

Seriously I don't really know, some websites I see them using the book instead of the raws.
So I get the idea that sometimes they use book instead of raws....? :confused:
-doesn't care about this- :yawn:

The RAWs are always from the book in whatever form. Either magazine or the actual manga. By using the term RAW, they just mean scanned but un-cleaned and not translated and pretty messy in general most times. But it must always come from an actual magazine or manga and depending on the scanner, well, that leaves the cleaners their job of cleaning.

I’ve read a lot of scanners tear out the pages so they scan flat. Others, never worry about it and leave the rest to the cleaners. But it always comes from printed material from Japan…or the US… or wherever.

I personally can’t wait for Bitter Virgin to be done. I hate to see it end, but I’m hoping for a happy ending and not bittersweet or wtf. Came out june 25th in japan, on sale at amazon.jp if anyone were curious. But if it were ordered it would probably take a few weeks to arrive here in the US (or take a few weeks for someone who bought it there to send here depending on how fast mail travels overseas), and the translator, if I read all his posts correctly, is in Canada. So, if someone in the US ordered it, add a few weeks (give or take) to get here. Then a few weeks (give or take) to get to him up there, then however long it takes to scan and translate.

Would rock if someone over in Japan bought it and scanned it and sent the raw to him through the net but… if he doesn’t know anyone over there I don’t see that happening. Plus, if you don’t scan it yourself it can be hell to clean.

Personally I hate waiting and am tempted to order it just to look through it visually… but, I’d sorta like to read it. (won’t stop me from looking for raws tho.)

[R the Vampire]

I really thought that dark secret would be little above my imagination, but it crossed the line, for real...

[fireflyhime]

i actually thought the translator had dropped the series, so i'm *incredibly* thankful to know we'll eventually get to find out what happens, regardless of the wait. just goes to show, it's all a matter of perspective! thank you very much for this thread!

[Hekiku]

I really thought that dark secret would be little above my imagination, but it crossed the line, for real...

Yeah I got the same feeling when I first started reading, I thought "oh, her dark secret must be .....," but boy was I wrong, beyond wrong. Then the rest of the story just got me teary :blush: I really hope for a happy ending, anything else would be just too cruel :aww:

[iManny]

Yeah I got the same feeling when I first started reading, I thought "oh, her dark secret must be .....," but boy was I wrong, beyond wrong. Then the rest of the story just got me teary :blush: I really hope for a happy ending, anything else would be just too cruel :aww:

._. thats exactly how ifelt too xD
now im dying to know what happens next
._.

[Starberry]

._. thats exactly how ifelt too xD
now im dying to know what happens next
._.
ME THREE.
This is one manga where I don't mind them getting married :D
*chants happy ending*

[chinlamp]

But the big question is: How will she find out that he knows?

Will he walk into the room where shes just told his sister, even though she told him not to, put down the tea tray, and walk out without a word?

Will he do that but instead of walking out, when she tries to stop him so she can tell him too, he says something like "If you want to tell me the story, don't bother, I don't have the stomach for hearing it again right now" and walk out with her shocked to the core at him knowing without her knowing he knows?

Will he leave the tea at the door and walk off while the sister is shocked and realises the gravity of the situation when she herself was just joking about Hinako being pregnant recently? And then will she realise from Daisuke's reaction that he knows? And will she realise that Hinako doesn't know that Daisuke knows? Will she tell her?

Or will something else happen?

What's more, I'm kinda worried about that psycho gf of Daisuke's... she seems the type who pull a 'School Days' just to have him to herself...

[crisshinn]

Ahh I'm actually dying to see the next chapter... It's like been ages?

That reaction is good. I kinda have a feeling that if ever Aizawa realizes that Daisuke knows her secret, she'd go like "Oh I see... now I understand why he's like that to me..." or something like that. She may take it negatively seeing it in a P.O.V. that Daisuke only took a liking to her out of pity. Yeah I have a feeling she might take it that way.

About that loony, girl, I don't know what to do to her. I think this is the only manga (as of now) where I had this BIG URGE to KILL OFF a certain character! She's just plain annoying! My goodness... I can't think of any hateful character aside from her! (Ah now I can finnaly participate in the most hated manga character at the otaku shat :D)

Seriously, that girl pisses me off. There are various instances where there's supposed to be some "romance" or quality time goin on and yet she, gets in the way!:mad: (Kazuki, go die!:eban:)

[Firestalker]

Ahh I'm actually dying to see the next chapter... It's like been ages?

That reaction is good. I kinda have a feeling that if ever Aizawa realizes that Daisuke knows her secret, she'd go like "Oh I see... now I understand why he's like that to me..." or something like that. She may take it negatively seeing it in a P.O.V. that Daisuke only took a liking to her out of pity. Yeah I have a feeling she might take it that way.

About that loony, girl, I don't know what to do to her. I think this is the only manga (as of now) where I had this BIG URGE to KILL OFF a certain character! She's just plain annoying! My goodness... I can't think of any hateful character aside from her! (Ah now I can finnaly participate in the most hated manga character at the otaku shat :D)

Seriously, that girl pisses me off. There are various instances where there's supposed to be some "romance" or quality time goin on and yet she, gets in the way!:mad: (Kazuki, go die!:eban:)

You and me both... I really hope she doesn't ruin it for Aka and Diasuke. That would suck royally.

[chinlamp]

You and me both... I really hope she doesn't ruin it for Aka and Diasuke. That would suck royally.

Comon Firestalker, we all know she's going to. I get the feeling that in the end, she'll try and kill all of Daisuke's family just to get him to herself (the proof for my reasoning is both in the manga and the fact that I'm still haunted from having just read School Days... meep!)

[Firestalker]

Comon Firestalker, we all know she's going to. I get the feeling that in the end, she'll try and kill all of Daisuke's family just to get him to herself (the proof for my reasoning is both in the manga and the fact that I'm still haunted from having just read School Days... meep!)

ARGH!!!!!! Don't remind me of School Days.... I just finished watching the anime, after reading the manga [hey the manga wasn't so bad, how bad can the anime be... right?].

I'm just hoping that it's at least a happy ending. Aka and Diasuke deserve at least that much after all that they've been through.

I always feel sorry for the girls that fall in love with the main character after he has already fallen for someone else and you know he's going to be with that person. They always make feel so sad seeing them look at him and say things to themselves like; "You would do that for me to, right?"

Wow! Where the hell did that come from? Anyway, I'm sure Kazuki will attempt to mess things up, but I hope everything works out in the end.

I'm actually hoping that Aka will get to see her child before the end of the manga. She's start to show a little regret for giving him up. I hope that she's able to do that.

[chinlamp]

ARGH!!!!!! Don't remind me of School
I'm actually hoping that Aka will get to see her child before the end of the manga. She's start to show a little regret for giving him up. I hope that she's able to do that.

Dude, what if the sister adopts Aka's child? That would fix both problems!

[Firestalker]

Dude, what if the sister adopts Aka's child? That would fix both problems!

What would happen to the family that had already adopted it?

Ummm.... no, I think that it's better if Aka is able to see the kid. Who know's maybe she'll want to be around it more.

[chinlamp]

Yeah, but then if she wants to see it more and more, she may want it back in the end... and that produces a whole spinoff series worth of possibilities, and I don't think the main storyline could handle that. I don't think they would bring the child back in. What I said before was a joke.

Also, how will Aka react when she finds out she was lied to by Dai when she finds out he was the priest?

And what's more, do you think this manga could handle becoming an anime?

[Firestalker]

Yeah, but then if she wants to see it more and more, she may want it back in the end... and that produces a whole spinoff series worth of possibilities, and I don't think the main storyline could handle that. I don't think they would bring the child back in. What I said before was a joke.

Also, how will Aka react when she finds out she was lied to by Dai when she finds out he was the priest?

And what's more, do you think this manga could handle becoming an anime?

I think it would be a good anime. I would hate to see how the story would change though....

I wasn't really joking about the baby. I really think that even adding a few pages worth of Aka and Diasuke in the distance watching her child with the adoptive parents and having her feel regret about giving him/her up.... Then Diasuke comforting her.

It'll be a good scene and could be a good way to bring them closer and help Aka with some of her issues about babies. She may never be able to bear children again, but if I remember right the doctor said if she had an abortion for a second time she wouldn't able to bear children.

Since she did give birth to the baby then she should be safe right? Or maybe there's a small chance she could bear children now.

Either way I think it would help turn a corner in Aka's character development.

[Fallenfury]

No I dont think this would make a good anime, anime's drain all the emotion out of a story and thats what this manga is all about.

[Firestalker]

No I dont think this would make a good anime, anime's drain all the emotion out of a story and thats what this manga is all about.

I really doubt that.... I would recommend watching "Clannad" and "Air" if you want to see a good manga turned anime. In fact, in the case of "Clannad", I think the anime captured the emotion better than the manga.

Anime, if done right, can really pull at your heart strings. But I agree that anime done wrong is terrible.

[Tenkei]

Patiently waiiiiiiiiitiiingggggg for more bitter virrrrrrrrgiiiiiiiiiiin.
I want so see what happensssssss...

[dracofighter]

Dude, what if the sister adopts Aka's child? That would fix both problems!

Well i don't think this will happen because Aka doesn't even know where the child is!(How should she when she has never even seen it!?)But in the end i also hope there will be an happy ending for those two and i also hope that the psychogirl will will give up so she won't hurt herself and those arround her. :aww:

[crisshinn]

I second you dracofighter. I also think it's more because Daisuke's sister is someone who wouldn't want to adopt a child. Seeing her reaction when she lost her baby, I think she's the kind of person who wants to have her OWN baby.

And yes, I can't imagine Aikawa being able to remember what her child looks like, unless, the manga decides to meet them up and then Aikawa will be like, "Oh I feel so comfortable being with this child, I wonder why?" or something like that. You know, like what they say about family instincts of mother instincts feelings.

I agree with the Clannad anime that Firestalker said. I think Tomoya was very well drawn in the anime. I was shocked when I saw how Tomoya looked like in the manga. So far away.

So Bitter Virgin would probably be a good anime, that is, if they decides not to ruin the main plot setting that the manga has shown us right now. Most anime's are a disgrace to the manga version. Only a few are good.

[dracofighter]

Well. I don't have anything to add there anymore! ^^

[spicy]

i love this manga and looking forward to seeing new chapter
awww poor for Daisuke's sister , she was hurted so much to lost her child

[Luckshower]

I couldn't believe that crazy chick said "it serves that [Bleep] right" I felt like killing her! I cant wait for the next chapter!

[wilkz]

I couldn't believe that crazy chick said "it serves that [Bleep] right" I felt like killing her! I cant wait for the next chapter!

I had a hard time understanding why she said that and to who she said it to for some reason. and I have a hard time hating her for it. I dont know why, but I think she really didn't mean to say it

[Luckshower]

I just think she tries a bit too hard to be with him.

[Lethia]

I really like how the male character is involved and does not know how to behave, the way he is considerating of Kazuki and of his sister, the way his emotion are explained in the manga.
On the other hand, this is too much tragedy: too many things happened to Kazuki and still another tragedy happens. Is it always raining there?

[El plateado]

OMFG when is the next chapter going to come out i been waiting like 6 month aready....

[natsu77]

OMFG when is the next chapter going to come out i been waiting like 6 month aready....

It should be coming out soon... Gari from Solaris-svu has the 4th volume on the way (someone ordered the book online, and is sending it to him). And then after he gets it, it shouldn't be too long until its up, maybe a week or two?

[Luckshower]

Well I checked the Solaris-SVU website and I found out that they are still working on the manga but apparently they dont have volume 4 yet although they ordered it. Here's the link where I found it at:http://solarissvu.freeforums.org/please-release-vol-4-t7.html

[Tensa Zangetsu]

So does that mean they aren't working on anything at the moment cause they don't have volume 4? I don't really get how ordering it would take forever though....it's been months since their last chapter.

[Fallenfury]

Yeah normally I'm quite patient I mean the last 5 months or so I have not complained but the last volume was released over a month ago, its starting to take the piss.

[Empathy]

The volume was recently released, and customs etc. can be a pain in the ***, as well as suppliers getting the stuff over in a timely manner. Importing things isn't a plain and simple easy fact of life guys. A little patience will pay off in the long run. I've talked to Gari recently on IRC and I'm sure he's just as eager to finish out this series as you are to read it, so please don't blame the scanlators.

[crisshinn]

I had a hard time understanding why she said that and to who she said it to for some reason. and I have a hard time hating her for it. I dont know why, but I think she really didn't mean to say it

I don't know, but I think she's too obsessed with Daisuke, she's willing to take anyone, and I think ANYONE down, as long as she can be with him. My goodness... In my opinion, I have this feeling that she kinda meant it.

Ahh... almost everyone in this thread (I think...) hates her. Including me. The way how she treats poor Ai-chan... oh the cruelty... :cry:

I want to see the next chapter too. It's almost 6 months.

PS: @Tensa: Hey, nice sig of Limstella :thumbsup:

[Aura]

Yeah normally I'm quite patient I mean the last 5 months or so I have not complained but the last volume was released over a month ago, its starting to take the piss.

Maybe you should ask for your money back.

[pandastew]

you've been patient? these ppl working on the manga are doing it on their own free time, and you as a leecher should not say anything. you should be thankful when they do release it. if you want faster release consider learning how to translate, clean, or donate to them to help them out. instead of complaining about not releasing anything for 5 months, why dont you learn how to clean which takes no more than 3 days to fully learn and go help them out?

[chinlamp]

Anyways... back on topic.

What's the topic again?

Oh, right, discussion, I'll give the new topic, then you guys help me discuss it.

New Topic: The best friend.

What the heck's happening there? It's never been truly discussed if she's got a thing for Daisuke, and she seems to be just a supporting character, but for some reason I get the feeling that originally she was supposed to have more of a role in the story. Anyone else get that feeling?

[crisshinn]

Maybe she does have more role in the future. I see her as the person who'll help the two (Dai, and AI) be together. That's all I can think. I don't see her becoming another obstacle in the relationship of those two, like what Kazuki is doing, but who knows?

PS: I totally forgot the name of the best friend. I guess I need to read the manga again :P

[Adamz]

When do you think the next chapters will come out? It stopped to quickly for me. Lol.

I also believe the best friend is more of a supporting character, too.

[Luckshower]

Anyways... back on topic.

What's the topic again?

Oh, right, discussion, I'll give the new topic, then you guys help me discuss it.

New Topic: The best friend.

What the heck's happening there? It's never been truly discussed if she's got a thing for Daisuke, and she seems to be just a supporting character, but for some reason I get the feeling that originally she was supposed to have more of a role in the story. Anyone else get that feeling?

I get that feeling too... I thought that I was the only one who caught that.

[Firestalker]

The friend does seem to have a thing for Diasuke, but I think it's something that won't be developed. She is more of a support role than anything really. Her love will most likely continue to unreturned for the remainder of the series.

Though I think she won't be all that sad.

[chinlamp]

Yeah, for some reason I just got the feeling that she was supposed to be another love interest originally, but then just before the storyline was finalised, they introduced the psycho girlfriend and she got put on the backburner, hence the few references to feelings but lack of plot related to them. That's just the feeling I get though.

[Bronze]

Ehh, I just think Ibuse and Yuzu contrast two different approaches to love. Ibuse takes her love personally and cares only about "getting the man", while Yuzu likes him but doesn't begrude him happiness & so isn't possessive like Ibuse is. I think if Yuzu had too much focus as a love interest, the story would lose a lot of punch... but eh thats me

anyway I think it will come out, and Aikawa will probably feel guilty especially after Yuzu has protected her so much; there might be a neat final twist misunderstanding involving that.

[Aine]

I had a hard time understanding why she said that and to who she said it to for some reason. and I have a hard time hating her for it. I dont know why, but I think she really didn't mean to say it

I don't know, but I think she's too obsessed with Daisuke, she's willing to take anyone, and I think ANYONE down, as long as she can be with him. My goodness... In my opinion, I have this feeling that she kinda meant it.

Ahh... almost everyone in this thread (I think...) hates her. Including me. The way how she treats poor Ai-chan... oh the cruelty... :cry:

Then would I be the first person in this thread who says they like her (Kazuki). I really don't see all that much of a reason to label her with the word hate because out of all the girls in the school, I don't think any of them would have gone to the same lengths as she has to get the man of her dreams to like her. In Chapter 24 Page 09, when Kazuki said, "It serves that ***** right."

I initially thought that she was talking about Izumi when she said those lines. Of course, I could understand where she was coming from when she said does lines, though I doubt that she meant to say what she was thinking at the moment out loud, for anyone close to her to hear. It really wasn't all that much of shock when she said those lines, after all it was Izumi that told her that Daisuke hated her. And that she was a nuisance when it came to her attempts at favoring him. I know that Izumi was only trying to tell Kazuki the truth about Daisuke's feelings towards her, but just take the time to imagine what it must feel like for Kauzki to her such words from a person who she doesn't even know that well.

Izumi has been gone for such a long period of time, so it wasn't like Kazuki would expect her to understand her deepest feelings for Daisuke. Nor did the two of them exactly start off on the right foot when meeting each other. So hearing such detestably words from a person who barely knows you and the situation you are in, must be harsh to swallow.


Conversation between Izumi and Kazuki:

http://www.onemanga.com/Bitter_Virgin/20/21/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bitter_Virgin/20/22/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bitter_Virgin/20/23/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bitter_Virgin/20/24/


About Kazuki's Feelings towards Daisuke

Kazuki has already shown how far she is willing to go to get the man of her dreams. Most people may say that they really (or truly)"hate her," but is labeling her like that really all that fair. I could read peoples post saying how they detest her, but to go so far as to say that they hate her, I can't agree with that saying. It isn't like Kazuki has done anything to harm Aikawa physically. Most of the things that Kazuki has done to Aikawa, are nothing more than any other high school girl would have done to a love rival.

At the beginning of the manga, Bitter Virgin, Kazuki was shown as the flashy girl who stood the most chance at winning over Daisuke's heart. Daisuke was referred to as a pretty good womanizer, who seemed to be able to play with Kazuki's heart. Even though Daisuke may not have meant (liked, enjoyed, etc.) everything that he was doing with Kazuki. In her very own eyes, Daisuke must have been a hell of a guy that started to finally show extreme interest in her. If it weren't for Yuzu's interruption at the end of Chapter 1, when Daisuke and Kazuki were about to kiss, then Kazuki would have gotten her kiss, which would have further complicate things.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bitter_Virgin/1/18/

Then in Chapter 4 "That Special Girl," Kazuki confronts Daisuke about his behavior lately towards Aikawa. She reminds him of his words that he said in class about not wanting to even try going out with a girl like her. Of course, Daisuke didn't make the situation any better when suddenly started to hug Kazuki for no reason at all. That moment was another one of those moments that meant a lot to Kazuki because Daisuke started showing more interest in her.

Since Daisuke hasn't officially declared whether or not he loves Aikawa. Kazuki still sees a slim chance that she will be able to persuade Daisuke to come back to loving her.

[Carlosmaster]

Aine you are on the target, hating someone for simply trying to get the person they love to notice them more is wrong, in fact, is what EVERYONE in the world does, it is very hypocritical.

Everyone changes their hair, gets in shape, ells off other people, gets them to back off or does anything for the person they love. Thinking she is annoying is okay, since everyone wants Aikawa to be with Daisuke, but hating her or loathing her is just wrong.

[spidey2211]

I don't hate her, I just dislike her methods. I get the feeling the author intended someone to dislike her. She seems, like the guy 2 posts above says, deeply in love. I don't think pulling out those scissors is what any other teenager would have done. Anyway, I think she has potential to move on, although that chance is very slim. I like this manga because it draws on a lot of emotion. I dont think its too big of a deal when someone asks for something that has been gone for so long. I just started reading it today, and I thought the series mysteriously ended like Zombie Powder, which made me mad because that was just getting good. Anyway, for the crazy girl, I have nothing else to say, she made me angry sometimes, but I don't hate her. You can't hate people like that. She's just obsessed. In any other manga, and she was the main character, I bet you all would be rooting for her, especially if you had all of her backstory. But, thats another story. Keep it going crazy girl, your antics are part of what makes this story interesting:eban:

[omoikane]

was that daisuke's sister in this last Girl Saurus DX????

[Vahneris]

was that daisuke's sister in this last Girl Saurus DX????

That's exactly what i thought too!...Kei ur such a sly . XD

[NoxCaelum]

Oh yeah, pity the psychotic dejected lover who'd stop at nothing to get what she wants.

It's not "deep love", that passed that a long time ago. It's greed and obsession. And I'm sorry, while I pity characters like Kazuki who have sad, dejected backgrounds, I don't hold back my anger or resentment for such a person.

I quote a passage from a recent novel I read
"I feel pity for him, since he was to some extent a victim of our father's meddling. But Steve's evil was primarily of his own making. He chose his path and now must suffer the consequences."

It matters not what fate throws at you, it matters what you do with it.

Sure you can admire deep love and devotion, but would someone who truly loved another go to such lengths to hurt one close to the one they love-and in turn hurt the one they love? I think not.

Kazuki's actions are the result of her deep love and devotion to herself. She simply couldn't bear being alone and picked Daisuke to be the bearer of her so called love, but when her hard work didn't earn her what she thought she deserved-she turned to envy, anger, greed, obsession. She has sought to "own" Daisuke, since the thought of him being happy with another woman shatters her hard work, her love.

Sure everyone's a hypocrite, but it's not for lack of trying. It's a defense mechanism. If not for our hypocrisies, we would have to be and act and think like the cold, hopeless being fate makes us. That our world makes us.

Do not sugar coat or take her feelings out of context. She has proved that her soul is twisted and dark, and no amount of love for Daisuke or herself justifies her actions.

Pity her. For she is weak. But when she spins her own demise do not mourn her loss. For it was of her own making.

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i have a feeling this series is going to end tragically.
although i wouldnt like that, that's what i feel :/:cry:

[Firestalker]

i have a feeling this series is going to end tragically.
although i wouldnt like that, that's what i feel :/:cry:

I know, somewhat, how it ends... I'll say one thing, not tragic.

[Black Chocobo]

Oh yeah, pity the psychotic dejected lover who'd stop at nothing to get what she wants.

It's not "deep love", that passed that a long time ago. It's greed and obsession. And I'm sorry, while I pity characters like Kazuki who have sad, dejected backgrounds, I don't hold back my anger or resentment for such a person.

I quote a passage from a recent novel I read
"I feel pity for him, since he was to some extent a victim of our father's meddling. But Steve's evil was primarily of his own making. He chose his path and now must suffer the consequences."

It matters not what fate throws at you, it matters what you do with it.

Sure you can admire deep love and devotion, but would someone who truly loved another go to such lengths to hurt one close to the one they love-and in turn hurt the one they love? I think not.

Kazuki's actions are the result of her deep love and devotion to herself. She simply couldn't bear being alone and picked Daisuke to be the bearer of her so called love, but when her hard work didn't earn her what she thought she deserved-she turned to envy, anger, greed, obsession. She has sought to "own" Daisuke, since the thought of him being happy with another woman shatters her hard work, her love.

Sure everyone's a hypocrite, but it's not for lack of trying. It's a defense mechanism. If not for our hypocrisies, we would have to be and act and think like the cold, hopeless being fate makes us. That our world makes us.

Do not sugar coat or take her feelings out of context. She has proved that soul is twisted and dark, and no amount of love for Daisuke or herself justifies her actions.

Pity her. For she is weak. But when she spins her own demise do not mourn her loss. For it was of her own making.
:bow: Wow that was pretty good. I was gonna say something along those lines but yours was better.

I don't really hate Kazuki ( I actually think she's an interesting character), I more or less pity her. Like Nox said and what I've stated in past threads; Ibuse doesn't really love Daisuke but merely the superficial idea of being his "girlfriend. That leads her to make some less than reasonable decisions that hurt others as well as Daisuke, himself.