Liar Game

[Spade]

Well, yeah. It only has one chapter so far but it's awesome nonetheless.

I just started watching the TV Show and damn, it gets even better. I've only watched 2 of the 11 episodes so far but seeing as just the first episode goes far beyond the first chapter of the Manga I can't wait to watch the rest. So, go watch it! Stop reading this and watch it, I mean it! You're still reading? If you're not interested in it, why did you open this topic in the first place? Sheesh... people these days...

[Alberio]

I haven't watched the anime, so you're saying the anime is good....I'll try it out later then, since the manga hasn't updated with all the other things being updated.

[Excel-Kleinwald]

I am not sure if it IS an anime though... it said in the notes there was an 11 episode long drama... so I think that means live action.

[Spade]

Yeah, it's not an Anime, it's a J-Drama. It even has a Fatboy Slim song in it. :lol:

[Spade]

http://chinkymovies.blogspot.com/2007/06/j-drama-liar-game.html

Here, you can find 10 subbed episodes of Liar Game. The final episode is subbed too but it's not on that site yet.
I found episode 11 here (http://summerwind-milu.livejournal.com/16677.html)

I don't know why I posted this though, I just felt like it I guess?
*glances at the other, filthy copytopic*

[ion]

hahaha you are one hell of funny guy! :)
thanks though

if I can help you something just lemme know

[HellecticMojo]

Finally it continues! I've been very eager for this

[Spade]

Yeah, chapter 2 came out of nowhere, I was really surprised. I hope they get past the first round soon, it gets much better after that.

[shonenshojo]

i know i've benn waiting for this chapter since.......forever ago

[wildstriker]

I've even forgotten what the story about and ave to reread some part of the chapter 1...., oh well, thx for the j-drama version link Spade (which I don't even realize until today), I'll go watch that now.

[OP!]

man it's so painful to wait for a chapter to come out. with one piece and bleach you know that they'll be released weekly (unless golden week or a group disbandment occurs) but with liar game, zombie powder and others, there's no telling when it'll come out. I'm still waiting for bokurano dammit!

[CrazzyWarrior]

Ok, the First chapter came out a while back with the intent to release faster then there editor vasished on them and it stopped, they got a new one and npow its going to come out again. Also for those that want to get Liar Game Live Action Drama. You can get it from my site. Http://www.horrormanga.com look in the Drama section or look at the latest releases for the Liar Game page. And while your there check out the other stuff we have and comment with the members.

But apart from my plug, the series is very very very good. I highly recomend it.

[ScythianBladeMaster]

I am absolutly loving this series. Thank you thank you thank you for putting up links everyone very helpful and i really love this series.:thumbup:

[CrazzyWarrior]

I am absolutly loving this series. Thank you thank you thank you for putting up links everyone very helpful and i really love this series.:thumbup:

Yea im monitoring the groups site for new releases. i love it too.

[Spade]

The lawyer? Ah screw it, I wanted the Policeman with the Gold Tooth to be the traitor, he was awesome in the Drama...
Also, the second round looks like there will be quite a lot different characters than in the Drama Adaption. No Leopard, no Mushroom, no Mini-Mushroom... They can't just replace those awesome characters! (Also those are probably the original and the Drama changed them, I'm a hyprcrite but I don't care XD)

[marian]

mukyaaaaaa!
i love liar game! mr akiyama really is something....=^______^=
the plot was really thorough!
everynight it makes me wonder what he'll do to get the 200,000 back and this is because no chapter was further updated >.<
was the new chapters a gift for the holidays? it really made me happy i was reading it before new year's eve and it really stirrs in me yahahahaha
now im going to watch the live! thanks for the link!! <3
weeeeeeeee

[arjay2813]

ch 10 just came out and the way that the former thief (i'm terrible w/names, sorry) says the man who stole the yen from the woman he took his # from makes me think he might be the one who stole her money. i dont think he'll cheat what's-her-name (really, really bad w/names) out of the money though, he wants her, i think

[Underdawg00000]

Im loving Liar game.... truly is a genius series.

I think the old guy is the one who stole the money from the woman.... which means they are gonna have to watch out now that they let him on the team

[Lord Jure]

I just finished reading first 12 chapters. What a great story. This is really interesting manga.

[arjay2813]

well the girl and old guy are gone, so i think the odd guy w/glasses will talk to what's his name (the thief) and it'll turn out to be the young girl who stole the money (disguise or something). when this part ends i wonder who'll be in the last vote(s)

[MangaMan777]

Wait, there's an anime for this series?!?! I must see...

[+EvilIceCoob]

i love this series! The strategy is smart! looking forward to the next chapter!

Tho, the teacher at the start was kinda... awkward.

[Lord Jure]

Wait, there's an anime for this series?!?! I must see...

Not anime, but Live TV Drama. 11 episodes I believe.

[MangaMan777]

...Japanese get all the cool stuff....

[Darkreaper70]

Wait, there's an anime for this series?!?! I must see...

Not that I know of but there is a J-Drama of it. It is subbed as well.

[shonenshojo]

...No they just make all the cool stuff.-_-"
The newest chapter was good, though they're focusing on #15 too much. I would laugh if it was another person instead. The business lady's strange though.
...I'm now getting the feeling that the characters' mouths are bigger than they're supposed to be.

[MangaMan777]

yeah, I mean what if the guy who stole the name tag was also a con artist?

[shonenshojo]

yeah, I mean what if the guy who stole the name tag was also a con artist?

Which one? You mean Akiyama or #15. In this case I'm guessing you mean #15...the definition of a con-artist is: a person adept at lying, cajolery, or glib self-serving talk.
And I think he actually is a con artist.

Well I'm wondering how many rounds are there to the Liar Game anyway? If there are more than 15 rounds, the series is going to drag and people are going to start losing interest in it.

[Kuroi]

I finished the drama in one day time ~~''. It was great. The last episode was 3hr long, if i remembered correctly, it was full of flash~backs ><. Anyway, it was great.
3Rounds +1Ressurection Round

[Darkreaper70]

I would say the girl who is with Akiyama is "Mr.X". She seems too suspicious. I know that the girl said it was a young man but it could also be that she persuaded a guy to steal the money from the other participant. That is also a possibility.

[MangaMan777]

sorry, I meant the guy who stole the lady's money...

[Lord Jure]

What if... Akiyama lied when he said that Mr. X is a young guy... nah, I am thinking too much...

[MangaMan777]

We'll never really know until we wait for the next chapter

[shonenshojo]

There was a guy who stole a lady's money?...Don't people think that it's #15? Since people say #15 had stolen the money and gotten into the competition.

@Darkreaper-Well that can be true since it's been said in the series that the protagonist was an overly honest girl, and someone betraying her(like the teacher in round 1) should be pretty common. Then comes the fact that the lady is good at talking to people which makes your theory all the more likely.

[MangaMan777]

Even if it's not #15, I have to say that he is someone very important to the plot.

[Jammerjoint]

I get the feeling that X is that girl with Akiyama. X being glasses dude is just...too obvious. But who knows, I think they're both traitors :devil:

Now that it's down to one last vote, this is the perfect traitor moment. Perhaps...X will cause the woman to betray Akiyama? Though it's not likely, since that would guarantee only X victory, and not be beneficial. The only leftover explanation is either they're both on the same side to begin with, or she is the person, or Akiyama will win without opposition.

Therefore, the girl is a traitor, or is plain stupid.

[June]

yeah! I also think that the girl with akiyama is X. She's too suspicious. Maybe she's the accomplice of nr. 15.

[Darkreaper70]

New chapter out.

That was suprising. I knew that she was Mr. X but I never would have guessed she was a transvestite lol. But Akiyama has something up his sleeve.

#15 isn't Mr. X btw.

[shonenshojo]

Transvestite lady was creepy.>.>"
Well, it was kind of obvious who Mr. X was, since she was acting pretty suspicious the whole time. It's also pretty obvious of what's going to happen next, by Akiyama's reaction.

[arjay2813]

please put that in spoiler tags next time...X_X now that's kinda ruined for me. it was pretty obvious she did it when she kept saying mr. #15 was mr. x, though.

[MangaMan777]

I guess that's why he's called "Mr. X" the transvestite lol

Anyways, I guessed that Mr. X would be a hermaphrodite or something like that, but I didn't want to believe it was true. I thought the manga would pull something much more strategic. Something mindblowing (not that Mr. X being a transvestite is not mindblowing).

[Darkreaper70]

please put that in spoiler tags next time...X_X now that's kinda ruined for me. it was pretty obvious she did it when she kept saying mr. #15 was mr. x, though.

I don't believe in spoiler tags so you will never see me use one, unless it's for something other than spoilers.

[wildstriker]

Nao honesty really bugs me..., of course, I was quite suprised as well when "he" revealed himself in spot, but Nao could use a little common sense of deceit to realize the game isn't called "Liar Game" for nothing all along.

[MangaMan777]

I hope her character changes because she is just WAY too gullible

[arjay2813]

that's what i like about nao, and eventually she'll be duped into marrying akiyama, hahaha

[MangaMan777]

She waited for Akiyama for almost 24 hours while the guy ditched her, and she still believed that he was going to come back. NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID!!!! X0!!!

[Jammerjoint]

I get the feeling that X is that girl with Akiyama. X being glasses dude is just...too obvious. But who knows, I think they're both traitors :devil:

Now that it's down to one last vote, this is the perfect traitor moment. Perhaps...X will cause the woman to betray Akiyama? Though it's not likely, since that would guarantee only X victory, and not be beneficial. The only leftover explanation is either they're both on the same side to begin with, or she is the person, or Akiyama will win without opposition.

Therefore, the girl is a traitor, or is plain stupid.

OH! What'd I say?

Anyhow, the only logical explanation now is Akiyama voted the same as her, YES, so that they would tie, but folded up the vote to allow her to reveal her intentions prior, which he knew would happen once she felt she had won. In such a case, he could tie it out, and afterwards create a stalemate.

[cornpopsicle]

Does the drama follow the same things?

[Darkreaper70]

Probably not. The manga didn't finish yet but it should have similar themes.

[June]

I guess Akiyama knows that the girl is Mr. X. An he surely voted the same as her.

lol, Nao is such a stupid girl! where is her common sense? I'm sure she will somehow dragged in again in the next round.

[MangaMan777]

I wonder what round 3 is going to be like...

[arjay2813]

probably people from all over (either japan or the world) coming together for something else even weirder than the minority thing (i cant wait to see what could be odder than that though)

[Metabug]

Round 2 was more like mathematician game, I still like it but I hope round 3 has more lying and hustling involved.

[arjay2813]

well it ended obviously: that freaky chick was mr. X, akiyama knew all along, and the look on her face when she found out was priceless

[Hisori]

WELL THERE IS NO PART 3 I THINK

SPOILER: LGT CREATED THAT GAME TO HAVE A SWINDLER IN THEIR COMPANY/BUSINESS

TRYING TO BANKRUPT A BUSINESS OPPONENT

I THINK SO HEHHE

[Shinigami]

If you don't want to wait for the manga you can watch the end cause Liar Game has a really good Drama

[Hisori]

YEAH I KNOW THE DRAMA COZ THE ACTRESS THEIR IS MY FAVORITE AND IDOL

SHE IS SO CUTE

THE ONE WHO PLAYED MISA AMANE IN DEATHNOTE AND NOW SHE IS IN LIAR GAME

I LOVE HER

[Shinigami]

in the rules of the Forum i think it has something on over use of Caps Lock

[Hisori]

waaaaaaaaaaa


i forgot hehhehehe

i will not do this again

[MangaMan777]

damn, transvestite man had a pretty smart plan to create 3 teams. I would've never thought of that.

[Darkreaper70]

Well it was pretty obvious that Akiyama would voted yes since it couldn't end like that. Now I wonder how he figured it all out.

[Shinigami]

I wish I could be as smart as Akiyama. I could finish my test with dawdling time to spare

[arjay2813]

akiyama probably saw trans-dude's addam's apple and figured it out

actually i think he saw the other quiet guy who was watching people and realised they thought the same, so he had a discussion w/him. they figured it out to gether, and didnt let the other guy know so they could help e1, and prove trans-dude is a complete f*cking prick

[Shinigami]

I can't really do any guesses cause i know it all from the drama ^_^;

[Darkreaper70]

I doubt he did that since he never talked to them. I doubt he also saw the adam's apple because that would be too cliche to even think about it.

[arjay2813]

no way, it's a perfect way for him to have figured it out since its so out their. by the way, b/c cliche means something overly familiar and commonplace its not a cliche, its not often used in transgender or crossdressing things (movies, books, etc) to show what a person really is for them. its usually an accident or something close to that which allows people to see that the person is crossdressing or sex changed

[Darkreaper70]

So with his wits and IQ he figured out that he was a man all along because he saw an adam's apple? Does that really sound good to you? It doesn't to me. It sounds overly stupid in terms of what's true or not.

[Metabug]

I don't think adam's apple would be cliched since it's so obvious a lot of people would miss it if they don't pay attention to detail. However it's far from fool proof since not all men have large adam's apple and quite a few women do.

I think he figured everything out when Nao told him player 1 came back just like her.

[arjay2813]

all i said is it would be a funny way to do it. of course its simplistic, but thats why i said it. people like you (or at least the way it seems to me on this thread) want it to be uber complex and hard to solve, so something simple like that is a good way to just shake it up a little. it makes it a little like sherlock holmes, he sees things others didnt notice

[cornpopsicle]

Well, that chapters shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anyone, right?

[Lord Jure]

Wow, Mr. X really made a great strategy. I would admire him if he wasn't transvestite...

[MangaMan777]

Here's a theory...
What if Akiyama was actually a secret villain? I mean, sure he's helping her, but remember that it was the lawyer who suggested him to help out.
That would be one super special awesome plot twist!!

[arjay2813]

i loved that, that was the best chapter so far. glasses guy might vote the same but i do think akiyama'll get the $$$ and split it between e1 except that b:skull:tch tranny

i dont think he'll be a secret villain, the two mains will fall in love. that guy said himself he was never a lawyer

[cornpopsicle]

A rather cool chapter. I was pleasantly surprised myself ;p

[fadeaway]

What would happen if the glasses dude teams up with the fourth person to create a minority? Wouldn't Akiyama lose then?

[Bowl]

no one can be trusted after the Mr X incident. mr X will lose, :p but i wonder what will happen if nao was left in the team( main naive character )

[jamie-goerz]

Ugh i just read this manga today all 15 chapter, it's so good, i can't wait to see next chapter.

If the guy someone vote no, so there will be a tie. If someone vote yes, i wonder what will happen, but i think since no one want to lose, there will be a tie again.

The best things is, no matter who wins the game, mr X definetely lose, cause he fake his name so he can't get anymoney.

[arjay2813]

i actually think they'd like for mr x to win, since it is liar game, and that was a pretty well-thought-out lie & mr akiyama has mrs. _______ on his nametag (x_x cant remember the name)

[Lord Jure]

There is no way those 3 will be able to agree. Akiyama wins. That was awesome move.

[jamie-goerz]

Something bother me now, if akiyama win, the one who will get the money is Ms. Takada. So Nao won get the prize money right ? Or i just misread something.

[Lord Jure]

Well, technically yes. But looks like Takada gave up of that money. Besides, Akiyama signed the contract so after he wins, even if he have to give all his money to Takada that will only be 40 millions.

[Lord Jure]

Sorry for double post.

Chapter 16 is out. Download it at null website: http://www.n-u-l-l.net/?a=manga-chap&i=6&t=0&d=10&c=3163

[Darkreaper70]

I wonder what the trap is.

[jamie-goerz]

What is the trap that akiyama mention, is he swap his no ballot with yes ballot before he put it in that box. Ugh can't wait for next chapter again.

[Lord Jure]

Damn it, what is a trap...? Does Akiyama and Number 15 work together?

[MangaMan777]

Damn, Akiyama is good. He sure screwed up the other three. I wonder if Akiyama already secretly made a contract with 15 in the very beginning?

[June]

I also wonder what his trap is... Yeah he could have made a contract with number 15, but I doubt it.

[Darkreaper70]

I'd make a guess and it will be about him uncovering the 10 billion yen reward. You know, the 10 billion yen promised if someone uncovers if the corporation holding the Liar Game tries to control the game. I'd say that's the possiblity.

[wildstriker]

I think jamie might be right..., in order to make a draw, they'll have to vote 1 "yes" and 2 "no", or 3 "no" at the same time.

If Akiyama have swiped the "no" ballot with "yes" one beforehand (again, it's called "Liar Game" for a reason), then there'll will be 50:50 chance for Akiyama to win If they did vote for "no" in all 3 ballots.

[Darkreaper70]

That's stupid. He clearly showed them all that what he did. I really really really doubt that is what he did since...he clearly didn't cheat.

[Bowl]

akiyama voted for a "no" but player 15 asked his team mates to vote for two "Yes". the trap is maybe about the obligation to share the winnings with the other team mates and the betrayal by Mr X.. player 15 didn't actually sees what the two players vote. hmm...
there will be three yes in the end to conclude this 2nd round..
maybe player 15 has planned to hijack two of his team mate.
http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/16/17/

13 April
eerr, if Mr. Akiyama changed to "Yes"
1. the rest all "No", akiyama wins. it won't happen as they decided not to.
2. two "No" and 1 "Yes", its a draw. might happen.
3. one "No" and 2 "Yes", opponent team wins.
4. All "Yes" its a draw. they can be that stupid to let Aiyama who voted yes to win.
it is just to risky.

so Mr. Akiyama(no) has no choice but to tell the truth.
there is one more way, that is to cheat. Mr. X and the punk haired guy is in one team right?
so Mr. X(yes) and the guy(no) with punk hair will cheat player 15(no)
so betrayal is the key Mr.Akiyama is waiting for.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Or maybe Akiyama really is working with #15....that sounds more logical then him switching his own vote at the last second. He wouldn't do that to win. Mr. X and that piercing guy both looked pretty sincere about their ballots so if something weird is going on, it's definitely because of #15.

[Darkreaper70]

That's even more stupid since why would he team up with anyone else. I doubt he knew #15 and made a pact with him.

I still say it has something to do with the corporation. I'd say that #15 is part of the corporation and that Akiyama found out. When he gives proof of how #15 is part of the corporation, he wins 10 billion dollars since that was the deal.

[ericryk]

I thought it was hilarious how they were all worried about losing if they tried to draw and someone else did too. The solution is simple, publicize your vote the same way Akiyama did.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

That's exactly what I was thinking! If they were scared that one of the other people may vote differently then what they said they would, they could have just showed each other their ballots....

[jamie-goerz]

I thought it was hilarious how they were all worried about losing if they tried to draw and someone else did too. The solution is simple, publicize your vote the same way Akiyama did.

Hahaha i never thought about this, yes if someone show to all people that he putting yes ballot, there will be a tie no matter what.

There's no way that akiyama made a pact with #15, he just sitting all the game without talking to someone else.

[fadeaway]

That's stupid. He clearly showed them all that what he did. I really really really doubt that is what he did since...he clearly didn't cheat.
He showed them from 25' away. Hell, he could have shown them Grandmas apple pie recipe from that range and they wouldn't have noticed ;).

After rereading chapter 15, I'm pretty sure the key is in the ballots. Akiyama probably fiddled with them, if you look at his "proof" that he voted NO, he covers the top of the shown YES ballot with his fingers - it could be anyones ballot, not just #22. There's plenty of ways to have made it look like he put in his NO ballot but instead inserted a blank piece of paper or something else invalid, or even his YES ballot (most semi-professional illusionists can do it). Why would he want to show explicit proof of his voting NO anyway? It looks like he's trying to force the other players in a specific direction (no wai, in a mind game?!).

One question though: maybe I missed it, but why are the people not aiming for a 2/2 vote instead of 4/0? Seems a bit safer, especially if they know Akiyama is crafty - that way there'd be no way he could win, too (one additional NO and two YES would mean he could either lose or aim for a draw).

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sorry, browser showed error :(

[Darkreaper70]

He showed them from 25' away. Hell, he could have shown them Grandmas apple pie recipe from that range and they wouldn't have noticed ;).

After rereading chapter 15, I'm pretty sure the key is in the ballots. Akiyama probably fiddled with them, if you look at his "proof" that he voted NO, he covers the top of the shown YES ballot with his fingers - it could be anyones ballot, not just #22. There's plenty of ways to have made it look like he put in his NO ballot but instead inserted a blank piece of paper or something else invalid, or even his YES ballot (most semi-professional illusionists can do it). Why would he want to show explicit proof of his voting NO anyway? It looks like he's trying to force the other players in a specific direction (no wai, in a mind game?!).

One question though: maybe I missed it, but why are the people not aiming for a 2/2 vote instead of 4/0? Seems a bit safer, especially if they know Akiyama is crafty - that way there'd be no way he could win, too (one additional NO and two YES would mean he could either lose or aim for a draw).

No, the trap being the ballot is stupid since it's too easily obvious and plain...stupid. You said he showed it to them 25' away? WE SAW IT. Why would the mangaka change it after WE (THE READERS) SAW IT. That's stupid.

[fadeaway]

That's like saying: why would the mangaka suddenly change the gender of that one character? I mean WE (THE READERS) SAW THAT IT'S A WOMAN :P. The mangaka has repeatedly fooled us already, what's going to keep him from doing it again?

To be specific: we only see Akiyama putting in a folded piece of paper, and the others (including us, the readers) only see Akiyama holding a ballot with the word YES on it. Interestingly enough, the mangaka shows #22 on the NO ballot but hides it on the YES ballot that Akiyama shows as proof.

http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/15/17/

And at the distance shown on this page it's easy to hide some sleight of hand. Anyway, this is just my theory, but since you're so quick to judge: Akiyama discovering that the company rigged the game is imo the worst of all suggestions, because that would effectively ruin the meaning of the whole arc, all that suspense would've been for naught since nothing could've gone wrong anyway. Following the logic of the setting, it doesn't make sense either - Akiyama (think it was him) already mentioned in earlier chapters that the company wouldn't cheat, since they are in a win-win situation and don't need to rig the games.

Since this is only conjecture, let's wait for the next chapter - it's going to be something totally different anyway, most likely ;) *hug*

[marian]

wow people are really into liar game!!
wee! i love liar game!
try to watch the live! it is as good as the manga :X
though in the live action No. 15 was a girl and Mr. X was a girl too. And in the live action the true Mr. X looks like No. 15 in the manga >.< ahaha
i hoped you understand me.... and in the live series nao was allowed to watch the process of the game so the revelation of the true Mr. X was more dramatic, it made mr. x more evil

i've finished watching the live still the manga is as intruiging ehehe

tensa zangetsu is right...akiyama is with no 15...maybe even before the round started >.<

[Darkreaper70]

Not really because why would the mangaka even say something about the 10 billion deal if it will not be used later on? It seems stupid to say something like that and NOT use it later on.

Oh and you saying that the mangaka fooled us, yes he did fool us with the gender thing but that was to be expected. Who in their right mind would notice it. THE PROOF WAS ALREADY SHOWN. He showed them the Yes ballot AND his vote (No) already.

http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/15/15/

[marian]

That's like saying: why would the mangaka suddenly change the gender of that one character? I mean WE (THE READERS) SAW THAT IT'S A WOMAN :P. The mangaka has repeatedly fooled us already, what's going to keep him from doing it again?



just a friendly reminder, do not trust the mangaka whole heartedly, this IS a liar game, just expect whole lot of lies, or be open for the possibility :thumbup:
are you not the least doubting that girl is to nosy, just like what akiyama revealed?
really this is a great manga for the brain

[fadeaway]

I think the 10 billion thing is only mentioned to answer potential questions the reader had. Though that's not to say that the company will never cheat. At this point in the games, it doesn't need to though - it stands to lose nothing if it doesn't act, but if it DOES rig the games and gets caught, it loses 10 billion.

http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/11/05/

Even says so in the manga :).

Anyway, we've seen nothing definitive yet, we only know that Akiyama dropped one of his ballots into the box and that he wanted everybody to _think_ that it was his NO ballot. I guess that's what we can agree on :). It could've been his NO ballot but also something else if there was a trick involved. We'll find out next chap ;)

/edit: @Marian: I know, I was posting in an ironic manner to make a point in reply to something else ;) Oh and yes I'm starting to really dig this manga ^^. Oh and I hope that comment in your post above (where you're talking about the live action) isn't a spoiler, if so please add a spoiler tag next time. It kind of ruins the fun for everyone who doesn't know the story yet :(

[jamie-goerz]

I wonder the company mention about 3rd round, if there's only 1 or 2 winner on this round, from where the company got a contestant for that 3rd round. Or maybe the company make this kind of game around the world, so after there's a winner for 2nd round we can see many players from around the world. But only player #15 who want to continue to next round.

[June]

One question though: maybe I missed it, but why are the people not aiming for a 2/2 vote instead of 4/0? Seems a bit safer, especially if they know Akiyama is crafty - that way there'd be no way he could win, too (one additional NO and two YES would mean he could either lose or aim for a draw).

they are going for 2/2 vote. 2 of them voted for yes and one voted for no.
http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/16/17/

that's why Akiyama must have voted no, otherwise he will lose.

[Ikirtar]

Hello everybody !

But judging from its last reply, there's a trick so i can only think of two things :
- He was allied with number 15 which would make 3 YES and his NO. Seems like the easy way out.
- He made substitution within the different ballots. There he would be left with two choices : * He managed to be alone / * He gets everybody eliminated with the different rules (you have to put one paper + can't put both):ninja::ninja::ninja:
But in anycase i cannot be hundred percent sure it's one of those. I started this manga today and I do really like it, I'd like to have more soon ^^. :p

[jamie-goerz]

Well yes this manga so unpredictable, to know what trap is it we have to wait for next chapter.

[Lord Jure]

Liar Game chapter 17 by null: MediaFire link (http://www.mediafire.com/?yfml2u11wgw)

In your face you sick transvestite!!! Akiyama really did allied with #15. What a way to finish 2nd volume. Can't wait to see what's 3rd round going to be.

[Darkreaper70]

Eh, my theory failed.. Oh well. It was a good way to end the volume though.

[arjay2813]

that was kind of a given, since it was the only way that he could have an unbeatable plan at that point. now i want to know what happens after that news is given (for all the other players too)

[jamie-goerz]

My theory failed i think that there's no way that akiyama made a pact with number 22, i'm totally wrong.

So akiyama will continue to round 3, but i think we can't see nao so much on the next chapter. But who will compete with akiyama, since he's the only winner at 2nd round, or he will compete with player from other country, ugh can't wait for next chapter.

[fadeaway]

Weak ending to the game, but the new arc seems promising. Go Akiyama!

[shonenshojo]

I didn't see Akiyama being allied with number 15. Something unexpected I guess, well there are a lot of unexpected thing in this manga. The ending wasn't up to the standards I was hoping for, but it may be better in the next chapter. I'm still not a fan of the art.

[cornpopsicle]

It was a pretty nice way to end the game. I enjoyed it. Not that mindblowing, but satisfying.

[Bowl]

actually Mr. Akiyama's plan is not fool-proof either. what if Mr.X had tried to cooperate with another guy so his plan might have been ruined.
this is getting interesting.
i want to see Mr.Akiyama's past....

[Darkreaper70]

Well, the round is over already so it's no use looking things over again.

Thinking about it...the ending really was pretty stupid. I would have liked some better and kickass way to end it but it ended on a pretty obvious note.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Well, the round is over already so it's no use looking things over again.

Thinking about it...the ending really was pretty stupid. I would have liked some better and kickass way to end it but it ended on a pretty obvious note.

Yeah it was a predictable way to end it....I remember you saying something like "That is stupid, why would #15 work with Akiyama" or something....so I was right >.>

[jamie-goerz]

^So there's someone at this forum who guess it right, well congrate then.

[June]

puh, I saw the possibility that he allied with #15, but I doubted it because it was stupid.
I wonder what the next round will be:)

[Darkreaper70]

Yeah it was a predictable way to end it....I remember you saying something like "That is stupid, why would #15 work with Akiyama" or something....so I was right >.>

Yeah I did say that, since it was pretty obvious I didn't really believe it but it was actually true.

[Bowl]

when is the new chapter? its been ages...

[Lord Jure]

Don't scare me like that, I thought new chapter was out when I saw the topic bumped.

[cornpopsicle]

Holy crap she is so stupid <__<

[June]

Nooooooo *screams*
She's such an idiot... At the same time I'm really curious how she will be able to win the revival round without any help...

[KaosTheory]

ah she should shoot herself she's never gonna win

[Lord Jure]

Nao is so damn stupid. How easy to fool can she be? Seriously, I started to smack my head into the wall while reading and screamed DON'T PLAY REVIVAL GAME!!!

So now what, no Akiyama in this game? Or will he come to rescue the poor girl... again?

[Tensa Zangetsu]

This chapter was so lame! The mangaka could have found a better way for her to get back into the game. She is just so stupid. If she doesn't remember, some of the losers from the second round were incredibly hard to beat. Wow I can't believe her....

[Darkreaper70]

Wow that just sucked. She is soo stupid. It was obvious that it was a trap...Now she will be in even more debt..Stupid Nao..

[Lord Jure]

Maybe Akiyama will come to help her... again.

[Playmore]

somebody should make her a brain surgery or so... gosh I really want to hit her... -.-

Even the guy of the org was telling about the story of the mom being too nice and naive... he even compared her to the mom...

I don't know some people are just a lost case... >.<

[Jammerjoint]

She is mental I swear...and never learns, either. Easy my foot, she would've been doomed in the first ten minutes of the first round if it wasn't for Akiyama. She is probably the most incompetent of all the losers, though I get the feeling she'll end up taking advantage of her reputation for innocence.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Seriously....for the first round she sat in her room thinking of what to do for about....10 minutes before bursting out in tears screaming "I can't do it!" and running to Akiyama......does she not realize this or something?

[Yamada Hanatarou]

Omfg! I'm starting to build some hatred here. Just how dumb can she be...

Still, it's expected that the sense of guilt left on her leaves her no choice but to try and help Akiyama... Too bad it should be friggin obvious she's not a suitable player for this kind of game. And her chances of winning are obviously close to nill.

Still, I can see her actually gaining enough witts to fool someone on this round... and problably come up with some crazy reckless plan to win. I bet one of those... so awwwwfully innocent items she brought with her is gonna be a key item... J-just dont tell me!!! It's gotta be the teddy bear!!!!??? Right!? Right!? o,O;

Omg... this should be fun... <,<

[drdoobious]

I really feel like the author just decided "ok, how can I get her back into the game?? I know, make her really dumb!"

[Wandering Rogue]

I understand the need to keep her involved with the Liar Game and all, but can't we make her a little more capable? I mean seriously, howmany times can you fall for the same trick before you learn?

[Tensa Zangetsu]

And that's why I said the author should have used a different method to get her to participate....which makes me a little disappointed cause of how well planned out the other chapters were.

[drdoobious]

And that's why I said the author should have used a different method to get her to participate....which makes me a little disappointed cause of how well planned out the other chapters were.

I think this kinda goes along with just how women are portayed in most mangas. Basically useless dumb problem causers. I'm pretty disappointed in how this played out

[Bowl]

who cares, if Nao is not in these manga, this will sucked a lot. she is the one expressing in this manga. no one else. Mr.X will definetely be in this revival round. someone will bound to help Nao because they want to team up with Akiyama. obviously not Mr.X, won't be trusted. maybe a new character. now i am curious on what is this revival round is all about. maybe trading stuffs??

just edited, this is one way not to waste the main characters. She is helpless but maybe in the end her honesty will help Akiyama in the end and proved his mom correct. wonder why Nao didn't visit her father anymore??

[Darkreaper70]

Who cares. She should just be shot. She was stupid enough to think that Akiyama needed help. If he needed help then she should be the last person to go to, since she is the most helpless person ever.

[MlleShadow]

You guys don't know how I completely agree with you...
Nao is really TOO naïve... It's getting on my nerves. The only thing she can do is crying and screaming...
She's going to cause more troubles again, and how does she think she can win with those items she brought??

[Darkreaper70]

New chapter is out..

It's the start of the Revival Game and it seems to be more....intricate than the Minority Game.
Nao or whatever her name is would have to be one of the eight to win..

[Bowl]

since Nao is one of the main characters, she will win. This game feels like Survivor, the reality TV show. Guess that the winner is the one with the most money, buying all L votes...

[Lone_ant]

One of my faves, but since I already watched the drama (can't wait to know what happens next) I'm not going to read the manga until the 3rd round is over (coz "that" definitely could not be the ending now could it?!)

[June]

The chances here to win are bigger than in the previous round since only one person will drop out.
I agree with Bowl, those who can buy the L votes will win. I'm still curious how she will win with her items she brought.

[Lord Jure]

Wrong thing about winning. Even if you don't drop there is still a way to lose. In fact, most of people there will lose because they will finish with less money they had when they started and that won't be enought to pay the debt from before. Really messed up situation.

Or did I got it wrong...?

[Spade]

Well, the money you spend won't be lost... it's just on someone else's account, so at best there will be a 50/50 ratio of winning/losing people, so "most" people can't possibly lose.

I don't care for this round much, I'm looking forward to the third round more, I really love that one. Also, I prefer the mushroom-head Fukunaga from the drama to this cross-dressing guy. >.<

Edit:
Oh, and while I agree that it's fairly obvious that Nao, as the main character, will win, I don't think that it matters much. This Manga isn't about WHO's gonna but, but HOW they will win and that's what I like about it.

[mango]

I had a brief look at the manga before watching the j-drama
and i've got to say the characters look better in the live action.
The character design in the manga is a bit bland.

[Playmore]

http://www.onemanga.com/Liar_Game/18/26/

checking what she took with her... I don't know how it's going to be useful.. but her bag looks more heavy... there's probably other things than that.
Oh rite.. she make cash with her body :>.<: isn't she the only girl around?

[Bowl]

i don't like Fukunaga, but at least he is better than the cross-dresser. Anyway, i accidentally watched ep 11 of Liar Game of the Japanese series. What a good ending. They make Nao as the reason for the Liar Game and revival game to be organised. But it is kinda lame that Nao got help again in the end. They even show Akiyama's worst rival. Anyway, the Akiyama in the manga looks more calm and charming

[Xyikz]

Chapter 20 has been released by [3rd] Translations.

http://www.freewebs.com/liargamemanga/index.htm

[Dega Vertigo]

The manga is definately going slowly, I've already seen ep. 11.

I really hope that there is more to the manga than the story line of the live action.

[Lone_ant]

Indeed, they never even took the Liar Game Corporation down,. though I think until the 3rd level it's identical..

[Bowl]

the character in the japanese drama was portrayed always shouting..i hate fukunaga..i wonder when they will release Liar Game in here??

[DarkSims]

I finished reading chapter 17 and I have some questions:

1) Why the people who lost the 2nd round are in debt??? Giving the nameplate back wouldn't mean that they were "paying" the debt?????

2) Why "6 to 8" and "2 to 4" was a bad situation o.o??? Or it wasn't a bad situation at all and Akyiama only used this to guess that there was something going on???

[cornpopsicle]

God I hate the main character to death <__<

But this is a strange turn of events. Baldy thinks he can win? <__<

[Lone_ant]

1) They don't give the nameplate back. The nameplates go to the winner. Hence they are in debt with the LGC.

2) Because this is the worst possible combination. All combinations will mean a guaranteed win for them but for it to be exactly a 2 vote majority both times (the minimum majority) is improbable hence the inference of there is something going on.

Corpopsicle lol, I kinda think it's nice. Honest to the point of stupidity, who is at fault there?

[Spade]

1) Why the people who lost the 2nd round are in debt??? Giving the nameplate back wouldn't mean that they were "paying" the debt?????

The winner of that round got everything, meaning he gets all the nameplates. So you don't pay your 100Million back, you basically give them to the winner so you still owe the company that sum.

2) Why "6 to 8" and "2 to 4" was a bad situation o.o??? Or it wasn't a bad situation at all and Akyiama only used this to guess that there was something going on???

It was a bad situationbecause the results were "too perfect" meaning the chances are high that someone manipuilated the plan he thought up.

Edit: Lately, I tend to post a few seconds to late all the time... T.T

[Lord Jure]

Revival game started in chapter 20, do you guys think that trany really have a plan to get them to next round, or is he tricking Nao again?

[June]

To tell the truth I have no idea. Everything is possible, I just don't see why he should help Nao win this game. Exept that his winning plan might need Nao's help.

lol, I always refer the baldy/transvestite as a she. My mind just doesn't accept him as a guy:eek:

[Playmore]

Well the transguyrl surely know that nao is a... well very naive.
(s)he is goin to use her the best way possible.

[DarkSims]

There are 8 people's voting...5 spaces to vote...10 votes in total

Which means:
-50 votes per person
-400 votes in total

Rules:

-Each person can vote in the same person
-No one can vote in themselves

Probabilities:

-No one will vote for Nao or Yuuji...


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So...considering that MAYBE no one will vote twice in the same person (each round), and considering (now) only the votes of the other 6 persons.....each person would get 50 votes exactly...so...if Nao and Yuuji vote for each other...it would be a tie...

BUT...there is the possibility of some people choose to vote more in one person and less in other person (so...each person could get any number of votes between 1 and 50...)...and if Nao/Yuuji voted for each other...it would mean that they would really win =DDD

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So, if Yuuji don't betray Nao...it will be a sure victory for both =DD

[pqpppqpp]

I see Nao more as a dumb/stupid/idiotic/half-witted/fatuous/asinine person. She really needs to stop depending on Akiyama.

[cornpopsicle]

As opposed to what? She's always been like that >_>

[R the Vampire]

On TV serial Nao got the rating of 'Dangereously pure' by the maker of lier game

[Bowl]

now the manga is following the JDrama. Even Mr.X's name in the manga is Fukunaga. In the drama, Mr.X pretended to be a woman first and No.15 is a woman. Since most of us will likely to watch the JDrama, this is a trap.

[Lord Jure]

New chapter is out.

Liar Game v03 c21 (http://www.n-u-l-l.net/?a=manga-chap&i=6&t=0&d=10&c=3218)[null]

I don't know what to say except: Nao is officially screwed.

[Shinmen Takezo]

You've gotta be kidding me, Nao is unbelievable.... you know what to fill in. Now she'll have to ask help from Akiyama when she has lost the revival game. Unless she still somehow get's to the next round, she'll lose that one. Hopeless manga, but yet I'm looking forward to the next chapter... Aah Nao pisses me off. Gief more Akiyama.

[cornpopsicle]

Who saw that coming? <__<

*raises hand*

[delurk]

...Not Nao, obviously.

[Playmore]

Who saw that coming? <__<

*raises hand*

Me me me!:buttrock:

seriously she's so amazing lol :D

[Lone_ant]

Lol Nao bashing..

and I'm appointing myself her defender! Because I like the character hehe..

Who is at fault in all of these, the person who tricks her or she herself for trusting that person?

Anyway I sw that coming to! =)

[wildstriker]

I'm sure that this is already pointed enough; but really, WTF is Nao so ****ingly stupid?

[DarkSims]

Well...I don't think that any of us doubted that it would go this way right?

[Spade]

Who saw that coming? <__<

*raises hand*

Since I watched the Drama, I can't raise my hand and feel proud about it. XD

Everytime I go to this thread I'm like "have... to... tell... them... have... to... tell... them..." but I always surpress that urge. I want to get past round 3 quick, so I can discuss "new" stuff with you. T.T

[June]

Since I watched the Drama, I can't raise my hand and feel proud about it. XD

Everytime I go to this thread I'm like "have... to... tell... them... have... to... tell... them..." but I always surpress that urge. I want to get past round 3 quick, so I can discuss "new" stuff with you. T.T

:lol::lol::lol: spade...
you still need to wait quite a while for it....

Oh god Nao...Does she even know what game she is in? She even trusted the one who is the most wicked^^
Let's see how she will survive this round...

[Lord Jure]

I don't think she will win. Her only way out is Akiyama but is he allowed to just walk into middle of a revival round? And what if he does come? He was 2nd round winner. If anyone is supposed to have any money than it's him. That will just make them even more convinced not to vote for Nao.

[MlleShadow]

Nao's really too stupid... How many times has she been tricked? Really have the urge to shake her until she understands how dumb she is...

[Bowl]

i regretted watching the JDrama...anyway, i couldn't thought of any tricks while watching..

[Lone_ant]

Since I watched the Drama, I can't raise my hand and feel proud about it. XD

Everytime I go to this thread I'm like "have... to... tell... them... have... to... tell... them..." but I always surpress that urge. I want to get past round 3 quick, so I can discuss "new" stuff with you. T.T

I'm with you there, that's why I..(holds down my hollow self:skull:)

er.. sorry about that, as I was saying that's why I try to post quickly in this thread though we can content ourselves with pointing out diffrences. to oursel (urge rising,.. must remove myself..)

[MangaMan777]

hooray, new chapter!!

[June]

Hmmm... I give up the thought of her winning this game with her own skills... She has no idea what to do.
Akyama, hurry! Help her before it's too late.

[Lord Jure]

New chapter.

Liar Game v03 c23 (http://www.n-u-l-l.net/?a=manga-chap&i=6&t=0&d=10&c=3234)

Jeez, Nao is in really deep ****. She have nothing... Oh well, that will make it even more interesting for Akiyama to think of a perfect plan

[cornpopsicle]

Yay game theory. If she chose Dark she would've won. But then again, Baldy was setting up the rules so she was screwed no matter what.

Basically the double sided card has 2/3 possibility, and substantially higher chance of winning.

I'll give this one to Nao. Most people wouldn't think about it <__<

[Lone_ant]

Actually,. I think it was kinda obvious because Fukunaga could have chosen any other card..soo, this proves Nao's below *average intelligence (*average of liar game participants) as she wasn't outright tricked or lied to as in the previous chpaters.

Damn,.. because I watched the live action, I can't post speculations or theories...:phail:

[Wandering Rogue]

I really just want to smack Nao upside the head sometimes. She just keeps on falling into such obvious traps. I keep hold of this faint hope that she will one day be even only a little bit competent, but then she just keeps on doing things to try and destroy that little dream of mine. Ohh, well. Akyama is pretty cool. Can't wait to see what he does to get her out of this one.

[The_Real_Hidan]

Geez, Nao is so pathetically gullible and naive. Why not play a 50/50 game with a coin from her own pocket before playing an obviously rigged game. I mean, there's so many ways to rig that double card in a bag game that it's ridiculous.

[cornpopsicle]

Actually, the game isn't rigged at all. It's just probability. The results also are fit the predicted result almost perfectly.

[raemie]

since she got to turn the card over in every case, was it not 50-50? If she couldnt flip the card over, if she just had to take the side facing up i can see that she would have little chance but as it was, does it matter that the card was double sided? (perhaps im being as dense as nao lol)

[Lone_ant]

It's not 50 - 50, it's actually more like 1 : 4 odds for Nao win,,. but I'll let Akiyama explain that..

[raemie]

It's not 50 - 50, it's actually more like 1 : 4 odds for Nao win,,. but I'll let Akiyama explain that..



I can see how it would be that if she couldnt flip the cards over - 1 white side to 3 dark sides but she did get to turn them over so shouldnt that mean that there was one dark front - one white front, and the backs were irelevant?

[cornpopsicle]

It's actually a 1:2 ratio.

There's a 2 out of three chance that she will pick the one with double sides as there are two sides for it to be chosen. Probability is a strange thing, but that's how it works. It's not always as intuitive as you want it to be. In a way, it's similar to the Three Door Game show problem, where it shows how probability works in strange ways.

[Spade]

Didn't Fukunaga forget to explain that pulling the White-side upwards out of the bag counts as a "foul" and therefore doesn't count? That was the fact that convinced Nao the game was a fair 50-50 chance in the Drama, right?