Nana

[Manga-Otaku]

This is the story of two 20-year-old women who share the same name. Even though they come from completely different backgrounds, they somehow meet and become best friends. The world of Nana is a world exploding with sex, music, fashion, gossip and all-night parties.

A very good shojo after maybe the 30th chapter It gets a little down and really serious but I love it. Go Hachi! :)

[Eimi]

This is my favorite manga at the current moment..I really like the deep personal relationships between the characters. I absolutely hate takumi and I wish nobu and hachi would be together >_<

[esptuning]

i kinda wish that the rest of the chapters get scanlated as soon as possible!

[DaruChan]

I suppose people don't really know what is up with the translations then for the chapters then eh? I have been waiting 4 ever!! *sniffles* I have not loved a series as much as Nana since Trigun. Anyways you can see all the episods of the anime on Crunchy Roll.com but the end of the anime was a little disapointing.

[Eimi]

i thought the manga was still ongoing...so if the anime has had its last episode its not the true ending right..i hate that..lol..i kind of wish sometimes that they would hold off ending an anime until they can do the entire manga justice or there is no point

[DaruChan]

*nods* it is so true. However the anime was very well done, I know I had my boyfriend watch the first couple of episodes with me and he was so hooked he ran out and got all the manga that was available in English. Either way I have not been able to find more of Nana online anywhere, so I have resorted to searching the local Japanesse bookstores in hopes of finding at least the raw manga. We can cross our fingures!

[Sachimoon]

NANA totally rocks!!!...:cool:
i luv the plot...i envy Nana Oosaki...im in love with REN!!!...he's so hot
i´ve seen the anime, but i think the manga is WAY better.

NANAxREN fan 4ever!!!

when i started readin' the manga, i totally supported hachi n Nobu, but now, i don't know, but im startin to like Hachi n Takumi...:p
n besides Nobu is with that b***(yuri, i think)

anyways, can`t wait for the next chapter!!!
please update it soon!!!.

P.S. sorry for my hideous english...my lenguage is spanish so... :)

[Eimi]

gah..i cant stand takumi..he is a jerk..i will never like him..or him and hachi..poor hachi she could do better...

[VelvetRose]

nana's my favorite manga and anime =D i like reira and shin together, even though they're not the main characters. go REIRA and SHIN!

[skipbeat101]

yea your rite they make a good couple i mean REIRA and SHIN! i want hachi to go with nobu already doesnt anyone agree

[VelvetRose]

yah, i think she'd b much happier with nobu than takumi. i mean, he cheats on her n stuff. plus nobu is sooo much sweeter

[edna777]

I recently started reading this, and I'm really enjoying it so far! Props to scanlators for doing the series...is anyone still going at it?

[Narubleach]

i just love nana series, anime and manga but i think anime's better....

i'm all for hachi and nobu...
sadly hachi's daughter looks a lot like takumi with the black hair and all...

i seriously wish someone would put up the rest of the chapters...

[Lint]

Heh, as you can tell from my avatar, NANA is probably my favorite title at this point. It's definitely an emotional roller coaster at times. I was really surprised to hear that guys also read it, but I think it's great that it appeals to such a wide audience (go NANA).

My favorite characters are Hachi, Shin, and Nobu. I won't go into the relationship between Takumi and Hachi because then it will be an endless debate.

By the way, onemanga is updated on NANA chapters. Actually, the staff at onemanga deserves props for keeping so many of their titles up to date - especially NANA.

Yes, the current manga series is ongoing and Cookie hasn't released Chapter 70 of NANA yet. Ai Yazawa is taking something like a 3 month hiatus so we won't be getting the new chapter any time soon. Sigh...

[anarius]

i thought the manga was still ongoing...so if the anime has had its last episode its not the true ending right..i hate that..lol..i kind of wish sometimes that they would hold off ending an anime until they can do the entire manga justice or there is no point

Well there could be a season two in the works. I'm hoping there'll be a season two. The soundtrack is pretty good too.

[VelvetRose]

yeah, i think season 2 is soon to come. at the end of the anime the lady kept saying season 1

my favorite song is kuroi namida hehe

SHINxREIRA

[anarius]

Still patiently awaiting the ch.70 and so forth.

[Suna-dono]

This is my all time favorite manga/anime. I can't get enough of it. D:

A friend of mine bought me a NANA artbook at a con he went to recently. It's hard cover and really nice, but the cool thin about it is that it came with two DVDs that has all the episodes of NANA on it, albeit even the subtitles are Japanese, but it's still really cool to have.

I also bought a while ago in New York, the first volume of the manga in Japanese. Where I'm from, original Japanese manga is about twelve dollars, however, I only paid five dollars for the manga I got (I also picked up the first volume of Ouran High School Host Club in Japanese format.

I wanna give Ai Yazawa a big hug. x3

[Suna-dono]

yeah, i think season 2 is soon to come. at the end of the anime the lady kept saying season 1

my favorite song is kuroi namida hehe

SHINxREIRA

She said they might be making a new season. I really hope they did and I hope it'll get to America soon. >< The anime is really good for the fact that you can't listen to the songs when you're reading the manga; not that it makes the manga lack, but the songs are really great and I always enjoy singing along. >>

[VelvetRose]

yay!! i knew it =D

i love the soundtrack... but theres no way i can get it here, i want the cd sooooo badly.

so, any news on when the new seaon will start airing?

[SnowDrop]

I love nana, I went back to Philippines last July for a vacation and they were having a BIG NANA DAY, because yeah it's all 07/07/2007 but I didn't go coz I didn't have that nuff tym. But as a big nana fan, i was devastated the whole time.

I like Nana's voice than Reira, I can feel her energy coming out from the song and it always make me sing along.

And i think Hachi's baby is Takumi's, she looks like it, but I really want her to be Nobu's daughter, and I want them back together. Geez! And Nobu, he's now with the AV actress, huhuhu. Please let them be together again. And hell with Takumi.

I wanna know what's gonna happen next, since Nana is going Solo.

[VelvetRose]

im sooooo jelous ='( i wana go to the philippines!!

[aisuzieya]

Nana! i love it! one of the best romantic manga! it really covers many aspect of life especially love. cos lots of wats happening in the manga is happening around me...around us....hehe.

my fav couple is ren & nana. they reallllly fit each other so much! its an amazing story! i love it! love it! haha xp

[Setting my fears free]

I think takumi should die tragicly and then hachi sould go back to nobu

[anarius]

I entirely don't dislike Takumi. His personality is difficult to relate to, but he isn't all bad since he decided to provide for Hachi and her child regardless of who the biological father is. If Hachi left Takumi for Nobu, the fragile side of Takumi would probably come to light. I'm not sure if he can be cured of womanizing and two-timing though.

[VelvetRose]

takumi's still alive though.... i dont think yazawa would kill him off. and plus there was sachiko(daughter) she looks a lot like takumi mmm. i wanted nobu and nana too but i doubt it will end like that.

[hikari_yami]

takumi's still alive though.... i dont think yazawa would kill him off. and plus there was sachiko(daughter) she looks a lot like takumi mmm. i wanted nobu and nana too but i doubt it will end like that.

Its Satsuki, rite? Anyways, I think that regardless of how things were a few chapters back, I think that both Hachi and Nobu have moved on and grown. I don't think they should "go back" to each other as this would undo all the growth they achieved after Hachi went to Takumi. Yeah, I think that Nobu's better off with the AV actress as that made him more matured and not just run away after it became too hard as Nana said to him. And I also think that Hachi's interactions with Takumi are cute. Lol :D It was both adorable and funny the way he had to drive her from their place to Yasu's place and how she screamed when she thought Takumi was two-timing her with Shion. (He did cheat on her...just not with Shion)

[VelvetRose]

takumi frustrates me lol. but nobu and nana were sooooooooooo cute together *sigh* anyways i dont think nobu ended up with the av actress though because he was still a little hung up on nana. i want to know what happened with shin and raira... theyre my favorite =D oh man... i cant wait for the next chapter

[aisuzieya]

how dare that *** takumi slept with other woman. nana should stick with shouji! takumi is handsome, cool n professional, but i still cant forgive him for cheating on hachi. he even use hachi to gain publicity and turn media attention from ren n nana n reira. btw, when is ren n nana be living together again. REN N NANA! REN N NANA! ;)

[Lint]

And i think Hachi's baby is Takumi's, she looks like it, but I really want her to be Nobu's daughter, and I want them back together. Geez! And Nobu, he's now with the AV actress, huhuhu. Please let them be together again. And hell with Takumi.


Yah, I think it's safe to presume that she's Takumi's daughter. After all, she never used protection when she was sleeping with him.

I don't know whether Nobu and Hachi will ever be together again, but I think that those two are probably more genuinely connected than Takumi x Hachi. Just judging from the little monologues that Hachi has at the end of each chapter, it really seems that she did genuinely love Nobu.

I believe that Hachi loves Takumi in a different way. I think that she's more attached and physically attracted to him than "in" love with him. And yes, I despise his two-timing too.

Its Satsuki, rite? Anyways, I think that regardless of how things were a few chapters back, I think that both Hachi and Nobu have moved on and grown. I don't think they should "go back" to each other as this would undo all the growth they achieved after Hachi went to Takumi. Yeah, I think that Nobu's better off with the AV actress as that made him more matured and not just run away after it became too hard as Nana said to him. And I also think that Hachi's interactions with Takumi are cute.

I think that this is just a difference in interpretation, but I don't believe that Nobu is really over Hachi. Judging from his expressions and reactions in the present chapters (the ones that are taking place now), I don't really think he ever stopped loving Hachi.

Truthfully, I think that Hachi had grown a little bit more when she was with Nobu. For the first time in her life, she didn't rely on a man to fulfill all her wants and needs in a relationship. When she was with Nobu, she came to the realization that she could and should also give more in a relationship. She could also be the strong one to provide strength and stability. The reversal is true for Nobu as well. Didn't Yasu and others point out that Nobu felt that he always had to be the hero? With Nana, he was on equal grounds, and that's one of the many reasons why they were so compatible.

Nobu knew what to say and what to do at the right times when it came to Hachi (with the exception of that day when he found out she was pregnant), and that's also why Hachi loved him. Hachi understood Nobu's dream and never demanded that he choose between music and her. That's why he also loved her. It's these little things that made their relationship so right.

The maturity that Hachi and Nobu gained from their relationship should be a reason to keep them together, not apart. Besides, once someone has matured, it's unlikely that one reverts back to their childish natures ;)

I could be totally wrong, but I think that Yuri is just Nobu's rebound girl. It's pretty obvious that he's still got emotional scars leftover from his relationship with Nana. Even though he likes Yuri now, it seems to me that he doesn't feel the same way for her like he did for Nana. I just don't see a long-term relationship for the two of them. (Just speculation of course, I could totally be wrong)

[aisuzieya]

i hope the scanlations of this manga is still going on......

[Lint]

i hope the scanlations of this manga is still going on......

Yes, there are definitely people who will be scanlating chapters of NANA when it comes out. The only problem is that there hasn't been a new chapter lately because Ai Yazawa has been sick. Actually, based on some rumors, it seems like we won't get Chap. 70 for a couple more months. It's torture...

[aisuzieya]

Yes, there are definitely people who will be scanlating chapters of NANA when it comes out. The only problem is that there hasn't been a new chapter lately because Ai Yazawa has been sick. Actually, based on some rumors, it seems like we won't get Chap. 70 for a couple more months. It's torture...




she's sick? omg, poor yazawa. hopefully she'll recover and get back to work as soon as possible :D

[Manga-Otaku]

Really? Ai Yazawa could b sick? Strange yet possible....It happens sometimes though. That means Paradise Kiss won't be as well?

[anarius]

Being the reboundee is a sad role in a relationship. I don't foresee Nobu+Yuri lasting through the storyline.

Also, it's never pleasant when someone is recouperating from an illness. Hopefully Yazawa-san will have a restful recovery.

[Lint]

Being the reboundee is a sad role in a relationship. I don't foresee Nobu+Yuri lasting through the storyline.


I totally agree, I do feel sorry for Yuri in that respect. And in Nobu's defense, I don't think he realizes what he's doing himself. He's just going with the flow and not fully thinking ahead, but not a lot of people do when in a relationship.

Really? Ai Yazawa could b sick? Strange yet possible....It happens sometimes though. That means Paradise Kiss won't be as well?

Yep guys, Ai Yazawa-san has been ill or at least that's what I've been told (can't read Japanese).

Anyway, Paradise Kiss is a completed series. Is that what you were asking about? I just think that it hasn't been fully uploaded onto onemanga yet. (The rest of the chapters are floating out there somewhere...and Tokyopop has published/released all 5 volumes).

[ghassassin]

I didnt know Oosaki Nana is voiced by Temari's (Naruto) voice character, in the anime. ^__^
...I really feel pity for Reira coz she doesn't know what she wants. I mean, she likes shin and stuff, but she still agonizes over takumi. I don't really know what the end for her will be. Especially that shin's caused some trouble and disappears or something.

[Lint]

I didnt know Oosaki Nana is voiced by Temari's (Naruto) voice character, in the anime. ^__^
...I really feel pity for Reira coz she doesn't know what she wants. I mean, she likes shin and stuff, but she still agonizes over takumi. I don't really know what the end for her will be. Especially that shin's caused some trouble and disappears or something.

I know that there are some Shin x Reira fans out there, but realistically I don't think that it worked out. Sure, mentally and psychologically, Shin is much older than his age, but there's still parts of him that remains a teenager. For Reira to have a relationship with him suggests, IMO, that there's something not quite right in her life. The fact that she still harbors such an attachment to Takumi after all this time - despite his obvious detachment - suggests that Reira is unable to have a healthy relationship unless she moves on.

Here's a spoiler/speculation about Reira if you haven't read the most recent chapters of NANA:
It's my thinking that something has happened to Reira in present time - that she's no longer alive or she's suffering from some type of illness. In Chapter 66, we get a flash in the present and you'll notice the melancholy looks that come across both Yasu and Shin's face when they hear Reira singing on the radio. It could possibly just be a moment of nostalgia, but their expressions suggest more.

As for Shin, he didn't disappear. IIRC, he got arrested for possession of drugs when he was over at "that lady's" place.

[VelvetRose]

i still want reira and shin together.... on the later chapters reira isnt even in it. i hope yazawa doesnt kill her off *cries* i think shin just grew up way too fast. and nana faking her death... what was that all about?

[ghassassin]

There was a movie last year based on the first three, four volumes of the manga. It was wonderful and two of the best singles of last year came from that movie. ....
..I didnt know. I need to watch it somehow. XD

[hikari_yami]

I could be totally wrong, but I think that Yuri is just Nobu's rebound girl. It's pretty obvious that he's still got emotional scars leftover from his relationship with Nana. Even though he likes Yuri now, it seems to me that he doesn't feel the same way for her like he did for Nana. I just don't see a long-term relationship for the two of them. (Just speculation of course, I could totally be wrong)

Yeah, you could be seeing Hachi and Nobu so seemingly close together in chapter 66 in the flashforwards: Hachi leaned on his shoulder with a contented smile while Nobu plays Nana's guitar. It also subtly implied that Hachi and Takumi are living apart: He is living in England, while she's in Japan and Satsuki's living with her grandparents.

[Lint]

i still want reira and shin together.... on the later chapters reira isnt even in it. i hope yazawa doesnt kill her off *cries* i think shin just grew up way too fast. and nana faking her death... what was that all about?

At this point, I don't know if she faked her death or if she simply disappeared. Truthfully, no one even knows when that happens. One could speculate that it may have happened after this whole fiasco with Shin, but it's hard for me to believe that. To see her expression and resolve in the last chapter leads me to think that it may happen later down the road. I have seen some good theories that suggest that perhaps Nana's downfall could come in Chapter 77. Sigh, guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah, you could be seeing Hachi and Nobu so seemingly close together in chapter 66 in the flashforwards: Hachi leaned on his shoulder with a contented smile while Nobu plays Nana's guitar. It also subtly implied that Hachi and Takumi are living apart: He is living in England, while she's in Japan and Satsuki's living with her grandparents.

Yah, that's a good theory and I agree. I don't think that they're officially divorced, just estranged. (I apologize for this ahead of time but this may get longwinded). What it all comes down to in my mind, is Reira.

Like I posted before, I think that Reira is either deceased or she's very ill. If it's the latter, I believe that Takumi would choose to be by Reira's side during that time. If she was seriously ill, I believe that she would getting her treatment in England, the place where Ren/Takumi? said that Reira was truly free. If so, that might explain why Takumi is living/visiting there. If she's dead, then he might be there for nostalgiac reasons. Either way, we know Takumi's connection to England.

I don't think Satsuki is living with her grandparents, isn't she just staying there because Hachi has been busy? That's just my impression anyway. Hachi is like a designer now right?

Gosh, all this speculation is driving me insane. I really want to know what happens next!

[VelvetRose]

i dont think chapter 77 will come out anytime soon though. it seems like its going to be on hiatus for awhile *sigh*

[anarius]

There was a movie last year based on the first three, four volumes of the manga. It was wonderful and two of the best singles of last year came from that movie. ....
..I didnt know. I need to watch it somehow. XD

That's pretty good news. It would be nice if theanimelist hosted anime movies, and had the NANA movie uploaded. I'd like to own those singles, but I'm not fond of ordering things internationally. The last LEGOGEL single I ordered was troublesome to receive to say the least.

[marian]

nana nana so great!
though the new chapters get boring....maybe i already got enough of hachiko's love life?
want more nana singing!
yey

[narius]

Vol 7 of the NANA manga series came out on october 8th why hasn't anyone did the manga scans

[Hyko]

Vol 7? I guess you mean 17. But even that only covers up to about chapter 66

And a note to all that are following Nana, the mangaka Yazawa Ai, was sick and was unable to produce more Nana so it was delayed. Official publication notice says that the next chapter should be released in November.

[86thatkthxbai]

That's pretty good news. It would be nice if theanimelist hosted anime movies, and had the NANA movie uploaded. I'd like to own those singles, but I'm not fond of ordering things internationally. The last LEGOGEL single I ordered was troublesome to receive to say the least.

The movie is listed on youtube, all you have to do is search for it. Also, the entire first season is also posted on youtube!

Also, I'm so glad that Yazawa Ai is feeling better :D and Nana will be back on track!

[aisuzieya]

wow~ dats a refreshing news for nana's fan. im glad she's recovering. maybe she worked too hard before........

[June]

yeah. I really love this manga:thumbup:

I want to know whether Takumi really loves Hachi or not... He's charakter is quite difficult to see through. it sometimes seems he doesn't care what happen to Hachi. He's often cold towards her. And I think he truely loves Reira. But because of some unknown reasons he don't want to have this lover-relationship with reira.

the relationship between Yasu und Nana ist very interesting. Sometimes you need someone like a family, whom you can rely on. Although you don't love this person in that way, you need this person's support to survive.

That mother attitude of Hachi toward Shin is so cute. I think Shin really needs someone like that. It seems he doesn't have a reason for live yet. He's so lost.

[BiTtErSwEeT]

its pretty good. there's a movie made about it too.

[aisuzieya]

Yeah, Shin looks like a lost child. well,sorta to me:p But its kinda cute when he's with Reira. But in my opinion, Reira doesnt suit Takumi. I cant see any chemistry between them and all.. They wont make a good couple. And Takumi is not a good guy either:lol:

[tetsuko]

so when chap 70 up will be posted??
i really waiting for it!!!

[aisuzieya]

Me too! hehe:D

[delariean]

so when chap 70 up will be posted??
i really waiting for it!!!



Well the wait is over....the mangaka underwent a surgical procedure and is back at work....here is the story courtesy from ANN:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-27/ai-yazawa-resumes-drawing-of-nana-manga


So we should be seeing scans within the next week or so

[aisuzieya]

Yay! That is so happy news! I am so so excited now!:D

[hikari_yami]

well it seems that takumiXhachi is doomed... i'm actually sad :(

[VelvetRose]

YAY... it finally came out!!!!!!!!!!

that little kid in the park with the guitar looked a lot like shin... and reira, i think was the one to pick him up o_O and takumi cut his hair.

[June]

yahoo:-) chap 70 is finally here!

so this child is the son of ren & reira?
But it seems like the chibi ren lives with Hachi and Takumi. Or is my interpretation wrong?
I'm sure the adult ren is already dead. That's so sad...And maybe because of that Nana disappeared and want to die.

what do you guys think?

[aisuzieya]

Yay!!! everyone outside there is overjoyed! cos...Nana 70 has finally out! :D

owhhhhhh.that is why im so in love with Ren! he is soooooooooooooooooo loyal! and Nana shhould not be selfish. everyone got hurt. a relationship wont stay smooth forever. appreciate Ren more.

[aisuzieya]

yahoo:-) chap 70 is finally here!

so this child is the son of ren & reira?
But it seems like the chibi ren lives with Hachi and Takumi. Or is my interpretation wrong?
I'm sure the adult ren is already dead. That's so sad...And maybe because of that Nana disappeared and want to die.

what do you guys think?


urm.......son? Reira and Ren?

[delariean]

hmmm more like the son of reira and shin....

[VelvetRose]

he looked a lot like shin... i just thought that it was possible. its cute how satsuki has a crush on shin :D

[delariean]

With her drawing style, it could be Nana K's kid :)

[VelvetRose]

oh thats right... hachi said something about a brother to satsuki... but what would reira be doing with him then? unless that girl in the park wasnt her...

[aisuzieya]

i pitied Ren. He is so in dilemma. but he made a wise decision anyway. Nana shudnt made such request too but yeah...when u r panicked and all, u can be totally out of mind too.i guess:p

[VelvetRose]

pitty ren how? i love his character, he knows when to step back from nana's life and let her do her own thing. his understanding to her feelings :D

[delariean]

Looking back at it now.....it seems that maybe...just maybe Hachi's Husband may be the father of Reira's kid.....so...I got two people as potentials.....any predictions anyone?

[OtakuHaleyChan]

I love this manga! I hope more of it can be scanned soon! >_<

[aisuzieya]

Looking back at it now.....it seems that maybe...just maybe Hachi's Husband may be the father of Reira's kid.....so...I got two people as potentials.....any predictions anyone?


that is so possible. i cant think of any other besides Shin and Takumi. please not Ren.hehe:D

[VelvetRose]

but why would it be takumi's child? he even said that reira was like a sister to him... and when she confessed to him, he turned her down.

[aisuzieya]

Its true that he doesnt like her before, but Takumi slept with many women before,in which he doesnt love them all(if im not mistaken, he is a playboy). The possibility he slept with Reira is quite high..and its not impossible for the both of them. its just a speculation, it may be true or the other way round :D

[VelvetRose]

but the little boy doesnt look like ren or takumi... but i could be possible i guess. i mean shin didnt mention anything about reira during the fireworks and everyone thought she died

[aisuzieya]

im praying here that it wont be Ren's son. if it is,and if i were Nan, i wont forgive him for the restof his life and i wont forgive Reira too. That is just too much when you say you love someone but doing something unforgivable behind them.

[laylasef]

okay that kid with reira looks too much like shin to be any other guy's kid. i actually thought it was shin until he stood up near reira and i saw how short he was. now as for the brother, its possible that takumi had another child with another woman as future hachi was thinking of getting a divorce, which could have stemmed from takumi having another kid, plus she's also getting quite close with future nobu too, or maybe i just picked something outta nothing (^_^) maybe its possible that the brother was shin, because he calls hachi 'mum'. hmmmm all the possibilities :D. as for the releases of the chapters, i know that there was a delay getting out chapter 70 since the mangaka who created nana was having an operation or something, but has since recovered (^_^) so the releases should be quite consitent now.

[aisuzieya]

Yes. Thank God she recovered. and is doing well now i guess. We love her and Nana too much! :D

[VelvetRose]

i love ai yazawa :D
yah, the first time i saw the kid in the park i thought he was shin... but there was no dialogue between them.

[laylasef]

i wanna know how and why nana went to england, and made every1 think she's dead. oh and dont you find it strange how nana and hachi made up a bit to hastily. i mean, they had a big fallout when hachi moved out when she became pregnant, then it was awkward for a while, when they didnt see or speak to each other, then it seemed they were best mates again. normally there's a big confrontation where those who have fallen out shout, cry then make up, but it seems they skipped all that XD

[VelvetRose]

my guess for nana's sudden disappearance is that something happened between her and ren... or maybe her solo career didnt go as planned. i remember in one of the recent chapters that she didnt even see satchiko, so she left pretty early on.

[Lol Cowgirl]

Bump!

On Reira's kid who might be Shin's. I think what Hachi meant when she asked Satsuko if she was giving her "bro" chocolate. I think she was refferring to Reira's son of whom was raised along with Satsuko. So naturally satsuko would call him nii-chan (or something along those lines) as a term of endearment. Even though the two might be of the same age minus a month or two, he probably acts a lot older than she does.

Well, that's my take on things. It might not be right, but onlyt ime will tell.

[June]

I agree with 'Lol Cowgirl'. I also think that nii-chan was refering to that little kid who was beside reira. That means that kid lives with Takumi and Hachiko. But what does "little ren" do in London? He might be the son of Reira and just got adopted by Takumi?

haha it's so funny how Sachiko shows Takumi that she's still angry. Although he don't know why she's upset...lol

I can't wait to see the next chapter...

[VelvetRose]

but why would reira's child be with takumi unless its his child. i think what cowgirl was trying to say was that both of them were raised together like brother and sister and became really close friends.

[Lol Cowgirl]

i think what cowgirl was trying to say was that both of them were raised together like brother and sister and became really close friends.

That's what I was saying. English is not my first language so it's uite hard for me articulate what I'm saying sometimes.

[dimond_hart]

REN!!!!
i hope Nana and Ren end up together...so sad if they dont T.T Takumi is such a (insert word)!! But really cute >.<
I got confused a little in the last chapter, with all the flashes to the future :S Does Satsuki have a brother?
Reira's child is soo Shin's! they look identical. When i first saw Reira i thought it was Nana (Ren's Nana) lol.
Hope the next chapter releases soon! But it probably wont for a while T.T ...
^^

[starlady]

Yeah the flashbacks were pretty confusing >_<
I want the next chapter to come out soooon!

[ciara cyanide]

im on chapter 50
im so far behind because of bleach and perfect girl evolution and others
but maybe its just me but i get really emotional when reading nana lol
i end up screaming at my computer things about how nobu and nana need to get back together because takumi is treating her like dirt D<
i can only read so much nana in a day lulz

[aisuzieya]

Yes, Takumi actually takes Hachiko for granted. Sometimes i feel like he forced himself to be with her. I dont see any chemistry between them. Besides, Hachiko and Takumi are totally two different human beings. Anyway im starting to love Ai Yazawa more deeply than ever:lol: now cos i realized that her drawings are getting more&more beautiful

[dimond_hart]

Chapter 71 released...^^ spoilers below if you havent read it ...
takumi is a @##hole!!!!! =P Poor Nana :(
I thought Reira actually did like Shinn though...

[DaruChan]

Chapter 71 yay! read the chapter first cause there be spoliers ahead!

Oh how Yuri iritates me, and every time I see a part with her and Nobu together he always looks like he's just going through the motions...

As for Takumi, sometimes I wonder if he actually ever considers Nana at all, and Reira for that matter...

[It'sMe]

My take on Reira's Kid is that' it's Takumi's actually. Both Takumi and Reira are both in England(on the future timeline in the manga where everyone is looking for Nana O.). So I guess Reira w/ her baby already are staying there. While Takumi comes back and forth from japan to england to see his daugther w/ Hachi and son w/ Reira. Seem's possible though. Cause @ chptr 71 Takumi has done it and started an affair w/ Reira.

[VelvetRose]

i hate takumi even more now... how can he give reira false hope T_T and nana...
the story line is getting better though, i wanna know what happens to shin

[aisuzieya]

My take on Reira's Kid is that' it's Takumi's actually. Both Takumi and Reira are both in England(on the future timeline in the manga where everyone is looking for Nana O.). So I guess Reira w/ her baby already are staying there. While Takumi comes back and forth from japan to england to see his daugther w/ Hachi and son w/ Reira. Seem's possible though. Cause @ chptr 71 Takumi has done it and started an affair w/ Reira.



Yes. that is so possible here. I suspected that earlier too. the probability that the child is Takumi's is kinda high tho. In chapter 71, Takumi and Reira already is more than frens. im worried bout Nana and Ren. wonder what's ahead of them. ahhhh communication is important here. they need to talk.:lol:

[Lain]

.....how nobu and nana need to get back together because takumi is treating her like dirt D< .....

I would disagree with that because I find nobu undeserving of nana's love; He may have made her happy whenever he was around, but he also hurt her deeply, and yet I don't want to see Takumi with nana either..........*sigh* I dunno I am just rambling.

[delariean]

hmmmm well Reira if her kid is around Nana's child's age, then she would have became pregnant when Nana was pregnant.....hmmmm I wouldn't rule out Shin just yet.....maybe it could be Shin's but to avoid any scandal with Shin being underage in the flashbacks, Takumi takes responsibility saying its his......Maybe Little Nana is let unto the truth from Takumi and plays along.....

This is beginning to get good......

[Lain]

The way you worded it really would catch a persons interest now wouldn't it I didn't consider it like that.....

[naa-chan]

This is my favorite manga at the current moment..I really like the deep personal relationships between the characters. I absolutely hate takumi and I wish nobu and hachi would be together >_<

yeah yeah!i agree with you..hachi and nobu should be together!!
they look so cute n lovey dovey together!!:thumbup:

[naa-chan]

i think its shin's son..just look at his hair, the look on his face..doesn't it resembles shin?i think reira need to stop loving takumi!he's a jerk..player n bastard!
i cant wait for the next chapter!!
it really tense!!!

[VelvetRose]

i think its shin's son..just look at his hair, the look on his face..doesn't it resembles shin?i think reira need to stop loving takumi!he's a jerk..player n bastard!
i cant wait for the next chapter!!
it really tense!!!

its a big possibility that the little boy is shin's son... he even carries a bass with him :D

as for reira to stop loving takumi, its not likely for that to happen. takumi was the first friend reira had when she moved to japan and the only one that accepted her. and takumi could very well be her first love which makes it more impossible for her to throw away her feelings for him.

[laylasef]

takumi and reira will become lovers !? i cant believe it, i knew that takumi was jerky but how many gf does he have!! i mean, he's never at a loss for, ummm, a good time, so there's no telling how many illegitamate kiddies he has. i cant believe hachi is still with him to be honest, and what happened to nobu and his pornstar gf?? dont you think she looked alot like hachi except her figure??? nana and yasu shin and nobu should have raised hachi's kid, that would have been a wicked family.
here's a wacky theory, maybe reira's kid is nana's and nana's kd is reira's, like they did a swap. the kid with reira could pass as looking like nobu, and hachi's kid defo looks like takumi. XD i know its unlikly but it'd b fun.

[mtrang_f4]

more and more I read, more and more I don't understand.Why is Takumi so complicated?He have many affairs.I hate Reira so much.Why doesn't she stop destroying a happy family?If I were Hachi, I would never suffer like this.But at the first part I agrree that the little boy is Shin's child for they are so identical, I hope so because I really like Takumi and Hachi live together.And the little daughter of Hachi looks like Takumi,too.

[annie-lo]

I was thinking about satsukis "brother".....I read somewhere that Takumi had his own story/chapter where his background and stuff was told and I heard that it said that he previously had gotten a woman pregnant but back then he abandoned her, so the "brother" could be the womans child from his past, which later got dicovered?

Now, I've never read this chapter so i'm not sure, but it sounds good

P.S. My fav characters(male) are Yasu and Kyosuke. I know that most ppl go for ren or shin but I like Yasu and Kyosuke cuz they seem so cool and calm without beeing totally distant and cold(e.g Takumi) and their look is so different and very HOT!!!

[Tensa Zangetsu]

ack, I read the first couple chapters and it failed to catch my interest so I stopped...but seeing this thread, I see alot of people think its good. Any real points of why? maybe Ill continue reading it in case its one of those mangas that get better in time....

[VelvetRose]

more and more I read, more and more I don't understand.Why is Takumi so complicated?He have many affairs.I hate Reira so much.Why doesn't she stop destroying a happy family?If I were Hachi, I would never suffer like this.But at the first part I agrree that the little boy is Shin's child for they are so identical, I hope so because I really like Takumi and Hachi live together.And the little daughter of Hachi looks like Takumi,too.

i kinda love reira's character.... its just something about her story i cant get over. she didnt or doesnt plan on ruining a happy family... but takumi and hachi are far from happy. they relationship is drifting... in the later chapters hachi manages a shop and less reliant with takumi... my guess is that they only stay together because of satsuki.


ack, I read the first couple chapters and it failed to catch my interest so I stopped...but seeing this thread, I see alot of people think its good. Any real points of why? maybe Ill continue reading it in case its one of those mangas that get better in time....

cheesescaek :thumbup:

[June]

ack, I read the first couple chapters and it failed to catch my interest so I stopped...but seeing this thread, I see alot of people think its good. Any real points of why? maybe Ill continue reading it in case its one of those mangas that get better in time....

Yeah! In the beginning I thought it's boring. But a lot of people recommended it to me, so that's why I continued reading it. And now I'm glad I didn't give up:-)

[Lint]

ack, I read the first couple chapters and it failed to catch my interest so I stopped...but seeing this thread, I see alot of people think its good. Any real points of why? maybe Ill continue reading it in case its one of those mangas that get better in time....

There's a lot of reasons to continue reading NANA. Even if it starts out slow for you, it gets better real fast. Read through Volume 2 or 3 and you'll see what I mean. There's always melodrama going on and I would say that the story says continually interesting all the way up to perhaps Volume 12? Some of the stuff that later happens with the bands in the later volumes get sort of boring, but it's really starting to pick up now.

By the way, I would try to stay away from the spoiler stuff that's going on in current chapters. It would totally ruin your experience with reading the previous stuff.

annie-lo, there is a Takumi, Naoki, and Nobu background/side chapter. I would definitely check those out because I think those stories are integral to understanding our characters now.

I won't get into too much with the discussion because I think I've discussed Chapter 71 ad nauseum.

I do have one thing to say about Reira though. Even though Takumi probably looks the worst in this whole situation, I certainly wouldn't deflect blame from Reira either. She's getting in this situation not thinking/caring who she will hurt. It grates on my nerves. I can only sympathize with Hachi and dearly hope that she gets to be happy in the end.

[Sakura-chan]

I was thinking about satsukis "brother".....I read somewhere that Takumi had his own story/chapter where his background and stuff was told and I heard that it said that he previously had gotten a woman pregnant but back then he abandoned her, so the "brother" could be the womans child from his past, which later got dicovered?

Now, I've never read this chapter so i'm not sure, but it sounds good

P.S. My fav characters(male) are Yasu and Kyosuke. I know that most ppl go for ren or shin but I like Yasu and Kyosuke cuz they seem so cool and calm without beeing totally distant and cold(e.g Takumi) and their look is so different and very HOT!!!

After reading chapter 71, in particular reading Nana saying that if Nana O comes back to room 707, she wouldn't stay in the appartment of the "Master" anymore, I guess that:
Takumi will stay with Nana until their child is born. After that, for a reason or another, he will move to england with Reira, who in the meanwhile gave birth to Shin's son, maybe even to prevent her from a scandal. Takumi and Reira will finally become a couple, and Takumi will raise Shin's son as his own, and as the brother of Sakutchi.

As for Nana and Takumi, I don't feel the break up will be that painful. Nana has become more mature, I think she doesn't have strong feelings for him neither, so they will agree on the fact that between them, it couldn't be more of a romance (or better, a sex-story), but that their daughter has not to suffer from this, so they will stay in good terms for her sake.

What do you think??

[annie-lo]

After reading chapter 71, in particular reading Nana saying that if Nana O comes back to room 707, she wouldn't stay in the appartment of the "Master" anymore, I guess that:
Takumi will stay with Nana until their child is born. After that, for a reason or another, he will move to england with Reira, who in the meanwhile gave birth to Shin's son, maybe even to prevent her from a scandal. Takumi and Reira will finally become a couple, and Takumi will raise Shin's son as his own, and as the brother of Sakutchi.

As for Nana and Takumi, I don't feel the break up will be that painful. Nana has become more mature, I think she doesn't have strong feelings for him neither, so they will agree on the fact that between them, it couldn't be more of a romance (or better, a sex-story), but that their daughter has not to suffer from this, so they will stay in good terms for her sake.

What do you think??

I really like your theory......and it fits well in to the plot, but if you assume that it's that way I still think it's dumb that she wont divorce him even if jun-chan suggested it:mad:

If Takumi and reira really became a couple living in england I don't see why hachi couldn't get a divorce and still be good friends with Takumi for her daughters sake. And what would shin say to all of this and why the hell would she name her kid ren if it where shin's and she is with takumi??? AAAHHHHH so many possibilities!!!!

Although I like your theory I think that the author has a lot of explaining to do if it turns out this way....I can't wait to see what will happen:thumbup:

[annie-lo]

It sounds good and I kinda hope it goes that way cuz then hachi won't be with Takumi, but I still don't understand why she still won't get a divorce (?_?) I mean she said that there were more reasons to stay together than get a divorce, and unless she's still in love with him then there would only be satsuki to consider, and they could still be friends for her sake even if they got a divorce?

And if he really did go to be with reira that would be enough to get the divorce....still can't wait for the next chapter to appear...

[champagne_vvn]

I hope yasu with nana & reira with takumi cos that will be perefect match ^___^

[Sakura-chan]

It sounds good and I kinda hope it goes that way cuz then hachi won't be with Takumi, but I still don't understand why she still won't get a divorce (?_?) I mean she said that there were more reasons to stay together than get a divorce, and unless she's still in love with him then there would only be satsuki to consider, and they could still be friends for her sake even if they got a divorce?

And if he really did go to be with reira that would be enough to get the divorce....still can't wait for the next chapter to appear...

I am not sure, but one reason could be this one: let's say that when Takumi discovered Reira was pregnant, he told the child was his to prevent her from a scandal. To be credible, he let Hachi believe that too. Then he and Reira left for (fled to) England. After some time, Takumi confessed to Hachi. As it was also for Shin's sake (assuming Reira's child is his), she will forget him. That's what Hachi means wenn she says to Jun "the way things have turned out".

I've just re-read chapter 70, and noticed that when Takumi's on the phone with Hachi, you can see that he still wears his wedding ring. Since we know that he and Hachi didn't get a divorce, we can conclude that he is not with Reira. I think that if he really lived with Reira as a couple, it would be very very shabby if he were still wearing his wedding ring.

One more time, juste a guess...

[June]

After reading chapter 71, in particular reading Nana saying that if Nana O comes back to room 707, she wouldn't stay in the appartment of the "Master" anymore, I guess that:
Takumi will stay with Nana until their child is born. After that, for a reason or another, he will move to england with Reira, who in the meanwhile gave birth to Shin's son, maybe even to prevent her from a scandal. Takumi and Reira will finally become a couple, and Takumi will raise Shin's son as his own, and as the brother of Sakutchi.

As for Nana and Takumi, I don't feel the break up will be that painful. Nana has become more mature, I think she doesn't have strong feelings for him neither, so they will agree on the fact that between them, it couldn't be more of a romance (or better, a sex-story), but that their daughter has not to suffer from this, so they will stay in good terms for her sake.

What do you think??

I agree with you!
Hachi has really matured. I think the love of Hachi and Takumi isn't so deep. she already knew from the beginning that Takumi is a playboy. She mentioned once as long as she is the number 1 of his women, she's satisfied. So if there isn't a very important reason, she won't divorce.

I slowly really begin to like Takumi. He's quite interesting! I want to know what he thinks and what he feels for Hachi. What's the most important thing to him? His job?

[annie-lo]

Yeah I dunno.....though I am beginning to like Takumi and he IS very interesting I still am not a fan of the whole hachi/takumi relationship.....Maybe it's just me that don't get it, but I just don't think they suit each other.... But that don't matter anyways. It's already been said that they were still together, even though their not living at the same place, so my meaning doesn't matter anyways (^_^)

And yeah she has matured and takumi is a big part of her growth, but the thing is that I don't think takumi really cares if she grows as a person or not. Besides his first priority is Satsuki anyways.... I do think he loves hachi but I dont feel it's the same kind or as deep as the love Nobu felt at that time.....Or did HE really love her? or was is just him wanting to save her? AAAHHH (@_@)

Anyways...whats with NANA? and what happened to ren(adult) you didn't see him in any of the "recaps/future clips" besides hachi staring at his picture with and odd melancholly face? hope nothing bad happened to him.....

[aisuzieya]

I really want to know what happen to Shin.

and I believe that Takumi doesnt really love Hachi that much.
He is more fit to be a big bro to her than a husband.

[Sakura-chan]

and what happened to ren(adult) you didn't see him in any of the "recaps/future clips" besides hachi staring at his picture with and odd melancholly face? hope nothing bad happened to him.....

My guess: when Takumi's on the phone with Hachi in chapter 70, he faces a big artistical poster of Ren on the wall. Takumi seems to be working at this time. So I think it may be possible that Ren is now having a solo-career in England, or maybe with another band, and Takumi works for the society Ren has contracted with, and supervises him. Don't forget that Ren and the other Trapnest's member are his "masterwork". I don't think he would have let them be spoiled (by him for Reira or by the life for the two others). By the way, we learn in chapter 70 that Naoki is most probably also in England, since he is the one who finds the pub in which Nana's singing.

Personnaly I don't think something bad will happen to Ren, and I am pretty sure he will not die, as I could read somewhere. What would be the point? If someone in this story should have die (I mean for the story to become really tragic), it would have been Nana O. Since we know that she didn't, at least not yet, I think no one will die (except after they all have become old and/or sick, as we all will, isn't it?!).

Will the end be the usual, common one for a romance, and will Nana and Ren die together so it's the only way then can really be together for the eternity? I really, really, really hope that Ai Yazawa has something more original in mind. I would be so disappointed...

[dimond_hart]

I hope she wont end it like that too...it would ruin the manga a lot. I had kind of hoped that Hachi would ditch Takumi in the future, but it showed in the manga that shes still only thinking about it. Nobu and her would have been so much better (which is probably why things turned out so differently lol). I really want to know why Nana left everyone and moved to England. Something big must have happened to cause her to drop her life and restart alone...i was thinking that she might have done something that she thought was unforgiveable and hurt Hachi or Ren....

[June]

Anyways...whats with NANA? and what happened to ren(adult) you didn't see him in any of the "recaps/future clips" besides hachi staring at his picture with and odd melancholly face? hope nothing bad happened to him.....

a possibility: the adult ren is already dead. And that's the reason why Nana also wants to die. As Hachi received the pictures of Nana in england. She said, maybe it was ren who put those pictures in the mailbox. like santa claus. (in chapter 66). To me it just sounds like a ghost brought them:-p or why should he have those pictures, or why should he put them secretly there.

Or just something terrible happend between Nana and Ren.

[Sakura-chan]

but if he is dead, so why would Hachi ask Takumi in chapter 70 how he is, looking at a big picture of him on the wall, and most of all, why would Takumi reply "don't worry about that fellow"? If they were speaking about the child supposedly called Ren too, I don't think Takumi would use the word "fellow". Not really suitable for a kid...

[lalamesilly]

I don't think that Takumi is living with Reira in England. I saw the chinese raw of ch. 72, (somebody translated into a summary in english for me so thats how I understood it). And the way Takumi "loves" Reira is prob I think nothing more than a platonic love. Ch.72 made me realize that even more. And I'm def. not a fan of Reira+Takumi that relationship would hurt alot of people in the process (notably Hachi and her child). And if Takumi wanted something more with Reira (even if he does put her up in a pedestal) wouldn't he have gone for her in the first place?
I think Takumi and Hachi's relationship would be good if Takumi actually didn't cheat on her... Because Takumi makes Hachi mature, while Hachi shows Takumi what caring and love is something that even Reira couldn't do.
At first I thought too that if Hachi and Takumi divorces it would have no emotions to it but now I disagree with some people saying how Takumi and Hachi's divorce wouldn't affect them at all. Because (again), Ch.72 made me realize that Hachi and Takumi does in fact love each other and depend on each other.

[VelvetRose]

ive always thought that takumi loves reira like a sister since he refused to do a lot of 'stuff' that he would normally do. even though he's a womanizer he still holds high respect for her.

as for hachi and takumi.... their relationship is somewhat complicated. hachi is becoming more independent and relying less on takumi, it seems that she still loves him but not as much as she used to... maybe they stay together for satsuki... i actually didnt know they divorced though

[tinerzo7]

Takumi and Hachi get a divorce? I'm actually a Takumi/Hachi fan. Although their relationship is a bit rough and complex, I think that deep down inside they both bring out certain things in each other that no one else can. Also, I want to what caused Nana to go to England and start a new life there.

[waterbride]

If you read the side story about Takumi's childhood, you will see that his love for Reira is not brotherly love. Because of various issues concerning his father, Takumi believes that he is dirty and contaminated, and that the women who sleep with him are basically dirty washcloths. Because Takumi adores Reira, he forbids himself from ever touching her.

[Lovely]

when will chap 72 be out?

[waterbride]

72 is out in Japan, so it's probably a matter of time until we see it here.

[REIRA~]

i read first 15 pages from chapter 72 !!! It really is so annoying ~

[hikari_yami]

what happened?!?!?!

[VelvetRose]

mmmm.... i wana see what happened with nana o >_<
the scans should surface soon :D

[waterbride]

This is what I read on the nana-nana.net forum:

Reira throws herself at Takumi, who tells her go see Shin who is getting out of jail. Reira says that she doesn't want to see Shin, and that Shin is only with her because she looks like Ryoko (the older woman who trained Shin as a child prostitute). Takumi tells her that that is not love but the Stockholm syndrome (when a kidnapped person starts to become dependent on his kidnapper). Takumi tells Reira that her love for him is also like the Stockholm syndrome, and that he could not make her happy. Reira says that she doesn't care about being happy.

[hikari_yami]

This is what I read on the nana-nana.net forum:

Reira throws herself at Takumi, who tells her go see Shin who is getting out of jail. Reira says that she doesn't want to see Shin, and that Shin is only with her because she looks like Ryoko (the older woman who trained Shin as a child prostitute). Takumi tells her that that is not love but the Stockholm syndrome (when a kidnapped person starts to become dependent on his kidnapper). Takumi tells Reira that her love for him is also like the Stockholm syndrome, and that he could not make her happy. Reira says that she doesn't care about being happy.

That's it. I officially HATE Reira!!! :mad::mad:

[MissGalinda]

omg! i cant wait to read the next chapter i really dont like takumi because i hate cheating i think that is one of the worst things to do

[dimond_hart]

The raws have been out for a while so i think we'll be getting the translations soon. I hope Reira and Takumi don't get together though. She's better off alone rather than with him :P

[VelvetRose]

takumi is too much of a player >_<

[dimond_hart]

Yeah, he's so bad to Hachi T_T She should have stuck with Nobu!
If only Takumi wasn't so good looking....

[VelvetRose]

i like nobu better too >_<
they went good together but she had a crush on takumi for a long time. even though she knows that he cheats on her... hachi decides to stay :(

[MissGalinda]

i know what you guys mean i really hope that hachi in the end, ends up with nobu and has the strong enough will power to leave takumi

[REIRA~]

ummmm actually i am sorry for both hachi and takumi because hachi is just a victim in this situation and on the other hand though takumi values children very much,he became senseless because of his father i guess.i wish takumi gave the value hachi deserves.on the other hand he is a perfect father.(or i understood it that way)
hachi should be able to think about herself as well cause nobu is someone who can both value satsuki and her.
i dunno but these things are just a matter of luck i guess.it is easier for hachi to give birth under takumi's protection for now, but i just dont understand what she mean by sayin 'there are lots of other reasons for not breaking up with takumi' is she still thinking about satsuki? well she should open her eyes cause hers' are wide shut^^:mad::mad:

[Tyrrel87]

'there are lots of other reasons for not breaking up with takumi' is not the only problem...I also wonder who is satsuki's brother...And who is the child playing giutar in front of Layla...It's time for yazawa sensei to give us the solution...

[REIRA~]

it is said to be REN is ~reira's and takumi's child. i mean there are rumors about that. when nobu asked how Ren was doing Hachi gave him an unusual look and said that he is with takumi in London. it cant be Ren we know who Reira was calling.i guess he is already overdosed or something as Nana is missing.but i dont know. the kid was not looking like takumi at all but he was looking like REIRA and SHIN but i dont think shin is actually involved with the situation.:eek:

[REIRA~]

here there is a site where you can learn all about chapter 72
there are lots of other summaries as well:thumbup:
http://http://tatsukida.pitas.com/

[Sakura-chan]

Sorry guys, but I am a little bit tired of reading about the soooo bad Takumi and the sooooo niche Hachi, just because he cheats on her and so on. Time to grew up a little bit, I think, and to read again the previous chapters, in particular the ones when Takumi and Hachi meet. I think Hachi's behaviour is not that glorious, and after all, she gets what she deserves, no? Actually, I think (after re-reading the previous chapters) that Takumi is really in love with her, or at least was. He wouldn't have gone the bloody trouble of calling her without getting anything back from her, he wouldn't have made this happy face when she finally called him saying she wanted to see him and most of all, he wouldn't have acted like this hearing she was pregnant.

What the cheating concerns, I don't know how old you all are, but I can tell you, sex has definitely nothing to do with love for a lot of people. I read somewhere that Takumi never had feelings for the girls he slet with, and whan he maybe did (when kissing Reira), he looked very confused. I completely agree with that. In chapter 72, it he clear that Hachi is his refuge. Reading Takumi's story confirms that sex is for him nothing more than an outlet.

As for Hachi, I think that she is the irresponsible one, sleeping with a man she doesn't love without protection, sleeping with Nobu without having ended the things properly with Takumi (funny, by the way... technically, Hachi slept with Nobu while beeing with Takumi. Why nobody blames her for that???), and so on.

If it's really a trap she had gone into, then it's rather a comfortable one, and she should stop always regretting and seeing herself as the victim, what she will do in the future, as the flash-forwards have showed.

Sorry beeing so long... bye!

[VelvetRose]

72 just came out >_<
reira was turned down by takumi and ren is back in his druggie ways. it still doesnt say why nana fake her own death but i can somewhat guess whats going to happen. ren possibly... maybe 'fetched' nana too late or the drugs got in the way of him fetching her.

[NanaOsaki]

Nana is the best! :) I still buy the mangas even though I know what happens! Hardcore. :D
I like Nana and Ren but in a way, I wish Ren would just realize how great Nana really is. :/
Hachi and Nobu forever!! Takumi just can't treat Hachi right. :/
Reira and Shin are also a good couple. ^.^

Overall, I'll always be a fan and will continue to buy Ai Yazawa's mangas and merchandise!

[MissGalinda]

Omg yea the chapter just came out and i cant get enough of nana i love it sooooo much!

anyway hachi says she still loves takumi to this day because of the whole kidnapper story so maybe thats why she doesnt want to divorse takumi yet, i think she is still confused about her feelings toward nobu too.
anyway this chapter was really good. im alittle confused about the whole takumi and reira part where reira said that she deprived takumi of his happiness or something like that i didnt get that.
anyway i still think that the reira's son is shins and that when she found out that she was prego she got scared and ran to takumi who of course helped her.
anyway i really want to hear what everyone else thinks of this chapter

[naa-chan]

no no,it's takumi deprived reira's happiness. i think hachi has totally move on to takumi. it has been several chapter and i didnt noticed she said anything about nobu, all she was talking about is nana nana and nana and takumi!..so i think hachi and nobu has no future together. :(
although,i really love to see them together! :D
and ren need to stop his addiction to drug!!i hate him like this!

[MissGalinda]

ic what you mean naa-chan. but for hachi and nobu i mean in the future chapters like the one where they are all at room 707 and just nobu and hachi are in nana's room and nobu plays nana's guitar and hachi rests her head on his shoulder, i think she might still have some buried feelings for him.

[VelvetRose]

for nobu and nana still have feelings for each other... that's what i got from the earlier chapters but since satsuki came to be... it would only complicate things if she decides to go with nobu. plus he still has mui (i havent seen her in the future though).

[waterbride]

Does anyone still like Takumi? Or am I crazy for finding that bastard attractive?

[Sakura-chan]

Does anyone still like Takumi? Or am I crazy for finding that bastard attractive?

No, you're not. I think it is the most interesting character in the story, physically and psychologically. I think is the most mature one, and the one knowing the best what he is doing with his life. Even Yasu is less independent than him. I don't think he's a bastard...

[MissGalinda]

i totally agree with you sakura chan i personally dont really like him for cheating on hachi but he is just such an interesting character, he just interests me so much

[Sakura-chan]

Yeah, I know, in the first place I didn't like him for the same reason. But after reading his story, I started to understand him better. And since I know that for quite a lot of people, sex has nothing to do with love, I am sure that's the case for him, I like him anyway, even if personally, I don't share his views on this topic.

After all, Hachi technically also cheated on him, at a time when he (the cold, feelingless one) was saying Ren that he couldn't stop tinking about her... I wonder why nobody blames her for that. I do... I don't like the way she always put on others the responsability for what happens to her. Sure that there is a huge gap between her attitude and Takumis, taking responsability even when he has nothing to do with what happens.

Go, Takumi, go, you're the best!

[waterbride]

Yeah, I was surprised when I realized that Yasu was not as together as he initially appears to be. But Takumi also miscalculated regarding Reira; he could not have known that their "forbidden love" would cause both of them pain for the rest of their lives. Ren seems to be the weakest male character (Shin is also vulnerable, but that's because he is a child). I feel bad for all of them, even when they make me feel exasperated.

72 was a good chapter.

[REIRA~]

No, you're not. I think it is the most interesting character in the story, physically and psychologically. I think is the most mature one, and the one knowing the best what he is doing with his life. Even Yasu is less independent than him. I don't think he's a bastard...

i dont think he is a bastard too. sometimes the things we go through changes who we really want to be. and actually the family problems with his dad caused his personality to be selfish and also dont believe in love that much maybe :confused:
but in the end,he is the one who encourage everyone and made everyone believe in trapnest.i think he is achieving a lot....
and about that~~being attractive~~ i would definetly fall for him i guees .... he has a unique style and he is powerful too. and also he is showing some of his weak sides to Nana. He really is able to stand on Nana's side no matter whose baby she is carrying and that is why i think he is soooooo mature and the way he looks just make me happy XD
but i dont want Nana to be sad as well.But that will happen.In the other hand as Takumi said,she'll always be the 1st among those woman-hope Reira chooses Shin again but i think it is a weak possiblty....and i am sad because of it ....Nana wont have that much of a chance if we compare her to Reira but thanks god there is Satsuki :penguin:
but depending on Satsuki...guess Nana will be very sorry for that in the future chapters so lets just wait and see...

[VelvetRose]

takumi has a personality that attracts every girls he meets, he's responsible and dedicated to his job. however, he puts being a musician first above everything else.

as for ren, he isnt weak but he isnt strong either. he needs nana for stability and vise versa. his drug addiction is somewhat like sid vicious, well i get that feeling anyways. all i can tell is that he probably got over the problem before it got too serious.

[heppy]

somehow i have this funny feeling that he is making use of hachi.. maybe not purposely.. but it's just convenient that she became pregnant.. then he just needs someone at home.. as his wife.. although he gives her everything.. hachi is not the person who is most important to him.. just feel really sad for hachi.. )=

still hoping that nobu n her can get tgt in the future.. heh

[Tyrrel87]

Takumi's the best character...All of you already explain the reasons...Others are too stereotyped...We chave no difficult to understend them...Much more interrogatives are about takumi...I think even Yazasensei will never understand him XD

[waterbride]

Takumi reminds me a lot of George from Paradise Kiss. If you remember George, he was domineering, hurtful, and selfish, but he also had a vulnerable and loving side. And like Takumi, he had that sensual charisma that attracted lovers left and right. He even had his own Reira-like muse. But Takumi is more mature and more restrained, so I think he is a more interesting character.

[Sakura-chan]

somehow i have this funny feeling that he is making use of hachi.. maybe not purposely.. but it's just convenient that she became pregnant.. then he just needs someone at home.. as his wife.. although he gives her everything.. hachi is not the person who is most important to him.. just feel really sad for hachi.. )=h

I am not so sure. Maybe Takumi and Hachi are just one of those modern couples, whose relationship is based upon something else that passion. It may seem sad at the first glance, but I've learned from my experience that those couples are the ones lasting, at the end. I know so much people getting together only guided by passion, getting married pretty fast because it is romantic, having a baby right after that because it is so cute, and then getting a divorce because they suddenly noticed that the daily couple-life was whether romantic nor cute.

Maybe you'll think I am not romantic at all, but I really give better chances to a couple who has to build a relationship in difficult circumstances than to a carefree, teenage love-story.

I don't know if Hachi and Takumi will end up getting old together, but I am pretty sure that the story with Nobu hadn't any chance of success.

[VelvetRose]

i actually prefer shin and reira's characters... they have sort of a forbidden love going on. and everyone could relate to them more. shin has that troubled, misunderstood type. reira is an epitome of what every human kind suffers with x__x

in another note... i read somewhere that they were planning to have a 2nd season of the anime, i dont know if it's true though but i wouldnt mind watching it :D

[REIRA~]

i dont know why but i just couldnt get used to the anime version :eek:
manga 4 ewa For Nana XD

[dimond_hart]

I made it halfway through the anime but couldn't be bothered to continue with it :P I'll probably get back to it later though.

The new manga chapter makes me think now that Reira doesn't love Takumi and is just confused about her feelings. Maybe in the past she did love him, but i think that later she will realise that she doesn't anymore and now loves Shin. I prefer Reira and Shin as a couple anyway :p Takumi is too much of a fake. Reira's child in the future looks like Shinn so that also makes this likely.

[waterbride]

This is slightly OT, but Reira's child makes me laugh so hard because he looks so punk and has so many piercings, I can't believe he is a toddler. ;)

[Tyrrel87]

Takumi reminds me a lot of George from Paradise Kiss. If you remember George, he was domineering, hurtful, and selfish, but he also had a vulnerable and loving side. And like Takumi, he had that sensual charisma that attracted lovers left and right. He even had his own Reira-like muse. But Takumi is more mature and more restrained, so I think he is a more interesting character.

Please don't call him george! He's Joji, even if translators call him george...Brr, horrible...
However, I agree, takumi is like Joji..yazasensei in all her manga showed the same kind of characters...All of them have similiar features...
Joji=takumi=akira
hachi=midori=miwako
nobu=ken=hiroyuki
etc...

[MissGalinda]

wow thanks Tyrrel87 his name is Joji ic i did not know that yea i thought it was George because thats what i heard and read, anyway this is a nana thread and im getting off topic haha

[waterbride]

Isn't there a scene where George's father calls him Joji, and everyone is like, "Wha... Joji?? o.O" because it turns out that George's real Japanese name is Joji, but he likes to Westernize his name because he loves European fashion. I read the TokyoPop translation, so who knows what was going on there, but I don't think "George" is necessarily wrong.

Do you think Yazawa Ai will draw more manga after NANA? NANA is so much longer than any of her previous works, and it features everything that is signature Yazawa Ai. I mean, how more punk can you get than a punk rock queen? Well, I hope certainly she keeps on going because I'm addicted to her style!

[VelvetRose]

i love ai yazawa's work. she always incorporates music and fashion in her manga which makes it the more interesting. she did the design on Princess Ai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Ai

ive always thought that george was only part japanese O_O

[Tyrrel87]

Isn't there a scene where George's father calls him Joji, and everyone is like, "Wha... Joji?? o.O" because it turns out that George's real Japanese name is Joji, but he likes to Westernize his name because he loves European fashion. I read the TokyoPop translation, so who knows what was going on there, but I don't think "George" is necessarily wrong.

Do you think Yazawa Ai will draw more manga after NANA? NANA is so much longer than any of her previous works, and it features everything that is signature Yazawa Ai. I mean, how more punk can you get than a punk rock queen? Well, I hope certainly she keeps on going because I'm addicted to her style!

Sure, George isn't wrong, cause it's the translitteration(I hope this word is right XD) of Joji...Yazawa also says george is right...in my former post, I said I personally hate "george", but I didn't wnat to claim it's wrong...:)

[waterbride]

ive always thought that george was only part japanese O_O

Ahaha, I've always thought that George was only part human, what with his turquoise hair and eyes.

Does anyone have crazy-colored hair in NANA? I was hoping that Shin's hair would be blue, but I think it is blond. EDIT: No, wait, it is blue. Fabulous.

[Lint]

Do you think Yazawa Ai will draw more manga after NANA? NANA is so much longer than any of her previous works, and it features everything that is signature Yazawa Ai. I mean, how more punk can you get than a punk rock queen? Well, I hope certainly she keeps on going because I'm addicted to her style!

I like to think that she'll probably continue drawing/writing more stuff after NANA. Sure NANA is hugely successful and she'll probably be able to live off the profits from it, but as an artist/writer, I would think that she would want to continue to create more work. Writers don't stop writing after they finish a book and artists don't stop painting when they finish a portrait.

I could see her taking a bit of a vacation after she completes NANA but I definitely think she'll come back to give us some more manga. The only problem I foresee for her is following up a hugely successful shoujo like NANA. There's going to be a lot of expectations and pressure for her new title to be as good as her previous work. However, I have faith in her talent. She's got me as a lifelong fan.

[pinkpixels]

i love ai yazawa's work. she always incorporates music and fashion in her manga which makes it the more interesting. she did the design on Princess Ai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Ai


yup, I love her work, too, and the music and fashion she adds in there. I also thought Kagen no Tsuki, another series by ai yazawa, was really good. I recommend it ;]

[Mican]

I started reading this manga two weeks ago, and I finally read up to 72 just then. While it's probably not one of my top 5 favorites ever, I have to say this: "Nana" is perhaps the most well-constructed manga I have ever read. Not just in terms of plot (the mangaka seemed to have had almost everything planned out since the beginning), but also the way the flashbacks and flashback dialogues are inserted (frequency/timing/placing). Very interesting manga.

[MissGalinda]

so ch 73 i think came out today. anyway i read a spoiler somewhere... and all i have to say is that if i ever get together with a guy like takumi i would kick his ***, literally. maybe i have to much self respect because i dont stand for that ****, i could never be in hachiko's place and still live with myself but i do respect her for staying with him for the sake of her child and marriage it just shows how strength she really has

[Sakura-chan]

where did you get the spoilers??

[waterbride]

There's a big Nana forum (http://www.nana-nana.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=1) that keeps up really promptly with the new releases.

These are the (unconfirmed) spoilers I've read: Shin comes home to his friends from jail. Shin says that he doesn't want to see Reira until he grows up, and only if he still loves her then. Takumi goes to Reira and tells her what Shin said. Reira says that she will die of loneliness. Takumi says that he won't let that happen and takes her to the bedroom.

[Sakura-chan]

God... So he'll finally do it... pfffff... I guess my last hope is know that Reira will be proud enough not to fall into this, but it seems to be rather in a very bad way, since pride is really not her strong point. I can't wait to read the chapter...

[MissGalinda]

yea thats the same spoiler i read. well right now it seems like reila's kid ren is takumis i guess. but i guess there is a possibility thats its not but it seems like it his

[Sakura-chan]

Well I just saw the scan of chapter 73, and though I didn't understand a single word, it seems to me that Blast is getting his pet back, finally.
****...

[aisuzieya]

i feel bad for Takumi. i pity him. but he has to be more firm..and loyal i'd say haha

[June]

boah...new chapter out!

shin is finally realesed from prison. I just love how he adresses Hachi as mummy. hehehe
I like the parts with Takumi and Hachi spending their time together. You can clearly see how much Hachi cares for Takumi.
Takumi said something to Hachi I never expected him to say (the one he truely loves is Hachi) Does he really mean it? I'm not too sure because in my opinion the one Takumi really loves is Reira. But then why does he have to say it?
Not to mention that he betrays Hachi...But I don't want to discuss it anymore. It's his personality...

It's bothering me that Nana doesn't return to Ren's side. And she just thinks that it's some trick of Takumi. One day I'm sure she will regret it:( and then it will be too late.

[Sakura-chan]

I agree with you, June. I was very surprised by Takumi telling Hachi she is the one he truely loves, indeed. I was not expecting that. Since Takumi is shown as a cheater, but not as someone saying things he doesn't mean, I think it might be true. Maybe in his mind Hachi is the harbor she tries to be, the one he respects after all. I don't know...

As for Nana, I think I don't understand her anymore. Ren neither, actually. Pride is really not a constructive feeling...

[REIRA~]

Takumi is so realiable i guess because he actually tells the truth that he thinks about other women and also the 'child' fact is a big thing for Takumi to tell Nana that she is the one who he truly loves.I think he is not that cold-hearted.I mean he is trying her best with Nana and I dont think that he would do the same things to another woman(maybe Reira too but ...Nana sure is very special to him)...as takumi said in the earlier chapters ;he may not give all her love and attention just to Nana but also he wont make her suffer....I think it can be true for now but in the future as we see it wont be a strong promise anymore....~
other than this,i somehow support Shin with his decision and even though i am a Reira fan ,i am regreting it as she is weaker than others....Shin must think of himself and pull himself together .that was what i expected and so did Shin do at this latest chap.....
It was so entertaining to hear her thought about Takumi out loud when she was talking with Shin :D I also agree with June that is was soooo cute that Shin calls Nana mummy :D

well,to tell the truth,i think this chapter was a simple one~
And the countdown for Ren's falling from grace and being ruined officially started...I'm sorry for Nana,indeed....Takumi would never say more than the thing he already said..but I think Yasu will understand Ren's situation or he already knows it. He'll help Nana to understand too but hope that wont be too late~

I'm happy that Shin finally came out from prison and he understood what his priorities should be:eek: His face was looking so pale when he first came out of the prison, and he was looking so defenseless that i felt sorry for him but somehow that was the cutest Shin i had ever seen in this manga :D:D

hope next chapter comes soon quickly but does anyone know when it will come out?? things will get more exiting from now on ~

[MissGalinda]

i think that takumi really does feel for hachi like at least loves her in that wife sense where he knows he can always come back to her and that she is carring his child. but the loves he feels for reira is not that romantic type of love but a sisterly love because he said this in the earlier chapters. so i think the reason why hes doing this is because he believe its his fault as he said in earlier chapters hes just trying to protect and save her since he thinks of her as probably his closest family member. i do not like takumi for that fact that he cheats but he does try to do the best he can and he does have the most stress on him as he is the leader of the band and basically has to do most of the work.

side note i am sooooo happy shins back! but it seems things will go down hill from here with everyone, the countdown has begun

[waterbride]

Does OM host the Nana backstories? I think there's one for Nobu, one for Takumi, one for Naoki... maybe others. Although they aren't official chapters, a lot of important stuff seems to happen in them.

[tanb]

I love Hachi very much! So I feel happy when Takumi said she is the only one he truly loves! But why did he kiss Reira? (he had kissed her, right?). Before that, he seemed to be moved by solicitude of Hachi, didnt he?

[VelvetRose]

O_O
i wana read the backstories!! ^___^
takumi kissed reira probably because he knows that she wouldnt be able to see shin for awhile and become lonely

[tanb]

But, if he did that, Hachi would be sad! I feel to have pity on her! In the earlier chapter, Jun-chan said about divorce, and Takumi dont seem to live with Hachi and Sa-chan. hix! I love the couple Takumi and Hachi too much!

[Lint]

Unfortunately, we don't really host extras or side stories on the site. If it's a short omake, we can usually tack it onto the end a chapter, but we don't put up the separate extra chapters.

However, if you're a NANA fan, you should definitely go check them out. They add a lot more texture and depth into the story because we get to see their childhoods and get to know why some of them are the way they are today.

I also have my own theories as to why Takumi ends up kissing and maybe even sleeping with Reira. But, my thoughts are long and I doubt anyone wants to read them.

[Playmore]

well i'm interested also in those back extra side stories... ^^
Should we ask in the manga request? or just leave it here?

[Lint]

well i'm interested also in those back extra side stories... ^^
Should we ask in the manga request? or just leave it here?

Ah, I wouldn't make a thread for this in the Manga Request forum. The fact that we don't do extras is really a decision made by the peeps on top. If you want, you could put it in the suggestion forum.

However, if you really want to read the side stories, I would just download them. There's three so far - Naoki, Takumi, and Nobu.

The Naoki side story has actually been printed in the newest volume of NANA - Volume 9 by Viz.

[waterbride]

Lint, do you know where the Nobu story can be downloaded?

It would be great if someone made a thread for this in the suggestions forum. There isn't really a reason to exclude extra stories, especially ones that are clearly relevant to the plot. If the people who run the site are concerned about chapter numbering, I'm sure no one would mind if the stories were added as oneshots. At least they would still be on the site.

[Playmore]

I've stopped buying Nana coz of laziness, anime and other mangas for the moment so i don't know if in the last french versions they have put the side story too. I'll check that tomorrow.

Anyway, putting them in one shot would be nice. ^^

which scan team did the side stories btw?

[VelvetRose]

ive read takumi and nobu's story... i thought it was uploaded on OM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GIGH8MRV <=== nobu's story
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N81V8XJE <=== takumi's story
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U97BTW1E <=== naoki's story

or go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nana_takoyakis/
but you have to join the group to download

[June]

yup! the naoki and nobu story are uploaded on Onemanga.
Naoki's story is in ch 32 at the end of the main plot
and nobu's story is in chapter 61 as an omake.
the only story missing is the one of takumi.

I just recently read the story about takumi's childhood. After this I really understand him better! Takumi has quite a messed up family background. And so, one of his wishes is to have a warm family himself. And I think this is also the reason why he married Hachi. Because she is the perfect housewife;) She prepares yummy food and is always there when he returns home. Maybe he really does truely love her.
The issue with Reira is that Takumi doesn't know what she is to him. Only one thing is sure: Reira is one of the most (maybe she is the most) important person in Takumi's life. She was like an angel who rescued him from the darkness.


I also have my own theories as to why Takumi ends up kissing and maybe even sleeping with Reira. But, my thoughts are long and I doubt anyone wants to read them.
Hey Lint, I would like to hear your thoughts about the Takumi-Reira incident:)

[Monceri]

I LOVE nana, It's the best manga ever and I can't wait to know what'll happen next =)
I hope that blacknana and hachi will be happy..I want that hachi and nobu to be together =(

What shoul I think about takumi, I just dont get that guy, if he really loves hachi he shouldt make out with other women o.O
Im getting really despresiv if the story continues like this =(

Can't wait xD

[waterbride]

ive read takumi and nobu's story... i thought it was uploaded on OM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GIGH8MRV <=== nobu's story
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N81V8XJE <=== takumi's story
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U97BTW1E <=== naoki's story

or go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nana_takoyakis/
but you have to join the group to download

Thank you for the uploads!

[Lint]

yup! the naoki and nobu story are uploaded on Onemanga.
Naoki's story is in ch 32 at the end of the main plot
and nobu's story is in chapter 61 as an omake.
the only story missing is the one of takumi.

Oh, I didn't realize that, but I'm not surprised. Hyko and others will sometimes tack on extras or omakes at the end of certain chapters. I just didn't realize it myself since I read NANA a ways back before I discovered OM.

Waterbride, I would have also posted some links as well, but someone beat me to the punch. I haven't been really active these past couple of days, sorry.

Hey Lint, I would like to hear your thoughts about the Takumi-Reira incident:)

By any chance, are you part of the nana.net forums or the yahoo takoyakis group? If so, I've all ready posted my thoughts there, but if you aren't here goes.

Forgive me if I just copy and paste my thoughts here. I've discussed this chapter and NANA ad nauseum for the past couple of weeks now, so I don't think I could summon any more energy to write new stuff. If you've read this all ready, then you can just skip it.

First of all, I don't believe it was Takumi's intention to sleep with Reira at all since this whole fiasco has begun. It's my impression that he was semi-leading her on to help ease some of the emotional pain she seemed to be suffering. Takumi cares for Reira deeply and I really believe that he was only trying to help her cope with what he perceived to be a prolonged turmoil because Shin was in jail.

I strongly believe that Takumi thought the simple answer to Reira's anguish was to let her see and be with Shin. Takumi believed that having Reira see Shin would help patch over whatever problems Reira was having. That's why we get that scene in this chapter where he tries to set up a meeting with Shin and Reira. Note Takumi's obvious dejection after Shin rejects his offer to let them both meet. What Takumi doesn't realize is that Reira's problems go deeper than just missing Shin. She doesn't just miss Shin, she's just very lonely and that situation is compounded by the fact that she can't be with the man she really loves. Takumi thinks that it's just Shin she misses, but he underestimates the extent of Reira's feelings. Most importantly, Takumi sleeps with Reira - not because he desires her - but because he pities her and he doesn't want to see her suffer. He thinks sleeping with her will help stop her pain, but in reality he's only making things worse.

I'm sure that some of you will disagree with me about this, but let me point out some other things. If anything else, this chapter seems to prove that Takumi does care for Hachi. Sure, we can argue that you simply don't cheat on people you love. Yet, let's not forget that people have flaws and that people display and show love in different ways. When Takumi tells Hachi that he does love her in this chapter, I believe him. I believe that he loves Hachi in his own capacity, but that his own views on how to treat the one you love has been warped by his childhood and his years of skirt-chasing. Why does any man continually cheat on his wife/girlfriend, when he can easily break up with that girl and be with as many women as he wants? It must be because there's an attachment, history, and in some small form, there must be love. However, it's my opinion that only the weak and the undeserving resort to such actions. Anyway, my whole point is that the scene where Takumi tells Hachi he loves her is significant because I believe it's genuine. It's important that we realize this because of what Takumi does in the end of this chapter. If we believe that he loves Hachi, then we know that what he does with Reira isn't because he loves her like Hachi, but because he doesn't want to see her suffer.

I know that was long, and that's the way I tend to work. I always get long winded, that's why I try to avoid discussing NANA so much. It takes me FOREVER to get my thoughts together and post it. :D